Countless documents exist with profound and spiritual meaning. That doesn't make them true.

I love interviews with Price. He can give you a ten minute response, yet keep it relevant and informative.

@bellafontejohnson-bm8ep

Жыл бұрын

He’s also a racist POS

@peterrabbit1054

10 ай бұрын

Dr Price gives you your money's worth in information and entertainment 👍👍

God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so that mankind might be saved from his hate through his love!!!!!!! HALLLELUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHELLLLLLLLLLYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhh!!! This makes so much sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's almost intuitive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar

9 жыл бұрын

God and Jesus are fictional characters.

@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar

9 жыл бұрын

If God and Jesus were real then it would be in the history books.

@MikeMillington

9 жыл бұрын

sauniz1 You are truly moronic.

@sauniz1

9 жыл бұрын

Mike Millington Please explain in detail, what was wrong with my summary of christian dogma, with regards to the mainstream soteriological view as described by Anselm of Canterbury?

@MikeMillington

9 жыл бұрын

sauniz1 The Father did not sacrifice the Father to save us from the Father. The Son offered himself as a sacrifice to the Father to save us from just judgment for our actions. So, the statement is not true. Still, I can see why you put it the way you did. I believe that if you are willing to spend the time go get to know what Jesus did, what he taught and to consider his fulfillment of the Old Testament and your question will find a reasonable answer. I hope this helps.

I liked the way Seth pushed back against Price's assertion that Atheists should "get a life." This guy is crazy if he thinks that the harmful affects of religion on modern society is something that can be or should be ignored or otherwise left unchallenged.

@Trainwheel_Time

4 жыл бұрын

One of the nuance atheists^^^. Hearing what he wants to hear.

@felixandboots2

3 жыл бұрын

There is no reason why we should shy away from speaking freely about religion, no reason why it should be thought impolite to debate it, especially when, as so often happens, religious folk bring it up on their own and try to impose it on others. Indeed Religion has become a serious matter which calls for honest discussion for it has reached far beyond the pale of individual conscience and is now translating into violence, sexism, sexual harassment and assault this is to say nothing of terrorism and war.

@CelestialWoodway

7 ай бұрын

Unless you're an activist or Social media full-time atheist I would say enjoy your life.

@Mehki227

4 ай бұрын

​@@CelestialWoodwayThat's hard with all the religious nuts running around voting!

God,Devil,Heaven,Hell,Religion and the Bible was all created by man.. People make up Gods to explain the unexplainable.

@claytonbelcourt1472

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

"We cannot infringe on freedom like that's, unless it is impacting someone else." He says while talking about how it's okay to teach kids misinformation

Gotta love them bibles in hotel rooms. Comes in handy when I'm out of rolling papers.

@soniaguzman7327

10 жыл бұрын

I always take it and throw it in the dumpster.

@GroinFaceGroin

10 жыл бұрын

Sonia Guzman Ma'am, with all due respect, that's a waste of perfectly good rolling papers!

@soniaguzman7327

10 жыл бұрын

GroinFaceGroin I am sure the homeless people will find a use for them such as building a fire to keep warm, building a fire to cook with, stuffing for mattresses, etc.

@GroinFaceGroin

10 жыл бұрын

Sonia Guzman Stop using logic on youtube dammit!!!

@soniaguzman7327

10 жыл бұрын

LOL!

47:00 Actually, there is major harm in letting religion run its course. When something isnt questioned, there will be no change - religion tells people to accept ridiculous claims, on the idea that its somewhere in that book. Perhaps those protests are not the ideal way of doing it - but not to do anything, isn't helping either. Think about the people who have this view on the world that science must be wrong and misleading, while their faith is always right. Consider what it can do, and does, to politics - to our climate and environment... Consider the horrible way people treat their own family members when churches are left. Consider the abuse that has happened caused by religious leaders. Consider the massive tax break these people get, just because they believe in something without evidence. Its unreasonable, and they get a break? whaaaat? To summarize: religion is soooo out of control, and so damaging to society, that some can no longer see its downsides. Cant beat it, join it - attitudes, or let live & let live. No! We should not accept it, and we should always engage in some form of conversation.

@cameronyu2413

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly this. I'm in total agreement with you. Religious people can't help but force their ideas on others. They can't leave us alone otherwise they will run out of believers. We have to get people to understand the harm this does and to basically get them to let go of false ideas.

@speedingatheist

10 жыл бұрын

Cameron Yu That's why I really appreciate the Reformation. When Catholics and Protestants have about the same number of shee...eh...members they actually care about a secular state. Of course, they often manage to band together against other beliefs or unbelievers.

@kevinlitton1399

5 жыл бұрын

Some religions, such as christianity, are categorically evangelical. Dissemination of dogma is a fundamental mandate in the practice of such faiths. This is why christianity came to dominate much of the world. This is also why certain religions will never be relagated strictly to private belief. As long as there are christians, large numbers of them will necessarily attempt to impose their worldview on the rest of the world.

@Instramark

Жыл бұрын

Well said. Thanks!

I was 4 & pre school when the Nuns were bashing the catechism into my young brain. But at least I was fully literate by the time I got to school & now I'm an atheist.

@dalecooper3729

3 жыл бұрын

Congra

I don't have a problem with people saying "Merry Christmas", but by the same terms they should not object if I say "Happy Solstice". The tolerance seems to be very much one way. I don't foist my atheism on anyone, but if I feel someone attempting to foist their religious faith on me, I'm gonna give at least as good as I get. If they find that offensive, that's too bad for them. I at least will appreciate the irony, but I won't care if they are offended. Teaching creationism, teaching the notion that America is founded on the Christian religion, or basing legal decisions on points of faith should be ridiculed and fought against.

Hate how people say these Christians don't do damage to others. In most cases they do, especially if they have children. If a child grows up indoctrinated into the faith by it's parents. Then for no fault of it's own stops believing in God. That person becomes isolated and now has to start a new life, new friends etc. Isn't that damage?

@truckcompany

10 жыл бұрын

***** Exactly, If he was personally effected, I bet he would change his opinion. I think he's too idealistic.

@RonJohn63

10 жыл бұрын

Why just Christians? Any set of parents with a dogma (that includes *every* set of parents, even atheists and those so open-minded their brains fall out) will similarly damage their children.

@RonJohn63

10 жыл бұрын

generationutena There's *some* dogma that those parents taught (or allowed the schools to teach) their children. It might have been something as innocuous sounding as "be open minded; don't judge others, and accept all other cultures", which leads to as much harm as "be closed minded, and judge others because we're right". That's because being open-minded and non-judgmental becomes a dogma to people who don't think deeply (and that's most people), and then they won't/can't/don't know how to judge whether an idea is harmful or not. (We know how harmful that Christianity is, but we don't know how harmful newer dogmas can be. OTOH, maybe we do: note how Atheism+ turned so quickly into "you're on our side or their side" thought police.)

@RonJohn63

10 жыл бұрын

generationutena I think that I'm more than a bit cynical regarding human nature. My observations are: 1) Societies gravitate towards rule-bound hierarchy, no matter what the stated organization is. 2) There is a percentage of people who like to boss others around. Some do it just because they like the power, and others because "they know best", while often proclaiming to be open-minded and tolerant. 3) Most people want to be led. Complaining about a do-nothing Congress, for example. So, just as there was a time when Christianity was not a dogma but now in some forms is, there is existential evidence that open-mindedness can be *warped* into dogma.

@RonJohn63

10 жыл бұрын

generationutena Seeing as how the not-too-far-back ancestors of every great (and average, for that matter) modern scientist was at least nominally religious, I'm not terribly worried what they're indoctrinated with at home. The older I get, the more my opinion changes to "nature" over "nurture". I.e., I think that a person is going to be an independent thinker, or dogmatic, or won't really care one way or another, *pretty much* no matter what his/her parents teach. 20 years ago, I would have thought differently. 30 years ago, I'd have thought *much* differently. Thus, the bottom line is that what I really care about is the child getting a complete education, not whether he's also taught fundamentalist Christianity.

Man created God and Jesus.

@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar

9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Maxxamus I`m just stating facts.

@mikegibbons2889

8 жыл бұрын

If that is true, who created you?

@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar

8 жыл бұрын

Mike Gibbons I was created by my mom and dad, when they they had sex, something you Christians call sins.

@B2BCreditandCollection

8 жыл бұрын

+Black/Death Metal Byron 666 why did you capitalize god?

@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar

8 жыл бұрын

Michael Dennis Because he is a fictional character created by people like you.

Dr. Price's stance on the issue of atheist "proselytizing" is a little curious. On one hand he acknowledges that the defense of science and the pursuit of "truth" to be the greatest cause that atheists can champion, and yet when it comes to privileged religious beliefs, he somehow thinks it is not proper to challenge the beliefs of those he deems (rather arbitrarily) to be benign. I love listening to Dr Price - I think he's brilliant, but what exactly is the difference between someone who denies climate change on the basis of conspiracy theory nonsense, or a creationist who denies the scientific explanation for how we got here? I've always sided with Hitchens and Harris - that it is the seemingly benign nature of a church community that gives the fundamentalists such power in America. Some people view Hamas as a charitable organization too - doesn't make it so.

That depiction of Jesus looks like an early photo of Betty Davis with a fake beard.

Seth, incredible response to the young girl who called in. A true gentleman and great role model. Kudos!

I recently found out that I went to a Catholic preschool as a child. This really surprised me because both my mom and dad are Atheist, and the only religious thing I remember seeing was a stained glass window with some sort of figure on it (it was too far back for me to remember what the figure was exactly). Apparently they had me go there because my mom's close friend was sending her son there, and him being around would make the transition easier for me because he was my best friend at the time. Plus, my mom was never against me learning religious stuff, in fact she told me about some stuff she learned from her childhood where she was a Mormon, and she would let me go to church with my best friend or to Sunday school with another friend when I would ask if I could see what it was like.

Never get tired of listening to Dr. Price.

I feel very uncomfortable with the notion that parents should be allowed to teach their children untrue things as fact just because they themselves may not know any better. Shouldn't they be responsible to either convey the truth to their children or point them in the direction of those who can?

@Ounouh

10 жыл бұрын

Who would be the guardian of that and how it would be monitored? We have no other chance than allow it because not allowing would be even worse for everyone. Parents are responsible for their children, but they also want their children adopt their political, sociological and religious views because they believe they have it right and others not.

@sbushido5547

10 жыл бұрын

Ounouh You're right. It's a complicated thing. But it just seemed strange how he brushed it off. I hear all the time about how children raised believing a certain way can have trouble shaking that belief once they grow up. So expecting them to be able to come to the truth on their own, especially if it's rarely/never presented to them, seems...optimistic.

@WWZenaDo

10 жыл бұрын

Scott Bowser I think - I hope - his point was that one could make more progress if one avoided angering or insulting the parents by implying that they're teaching their children falsehoods, or that they lack sufficient education (or mental wherewithal) to perceive the realities of religions' origins clearly.

@Rushmanyyz

10 жыл бұрын

I agree with the responses that you have already gotten regarding this comment but I will point out to you that it IS already socially immoral to brainwash children with poor facts and worse arguments. Not everything needs to be illegal. We can allow people to be ignorant and not be foolish enough to criminalize it. They are socially outcast from anything that really matters (except for voting). To the voting issue, preserving their right to vote even though they are bad thinkers/arguers or uneducated, preserves my right to vote when I am not perfectly qualified to speak on an issue (even if I do try to be educated enough for most things). You can't stoop to their level and live off of special pleading fallacies.

A degree in “The New Testament”? Cool. Maybe i can get one in Harry Potter!

Just because a person doesn't believe an unbelievable story doesn't make them an Atheist.

Great! I've been a fan of Dr. Price ever since I came across a video of him on KZread where he speaks about the Leviathan and the creation by combat myth.

@AlekTrev006

7 жыл бұрын

I find something about his very voice kind of "easy to listen to" - it's hard to explain, but it just "sounds good" - !

Enjoyed this podcast and hearing Dr. Price's take on things. Thanks Seth and again you serve the community of ideas well.

Wonderful to hear this. I first became aware of Dr. Price through his work (both serious and otherwise) in Lovecraftian studies -- at which time the idea of his being so involved with the Baptist milieu certainly blew a few of my fuses -- and later began to hear/see more of his work dealing with religion. Fascinating stuff, and I thank you for having him on....

as a kid growing up, christmas was about getting presents and talking about santa, setting up the christmas tree and decorations; then someone would come and visit and start mentioning jesus and in my mind i would think: what is he talking about? what the hell does jesus has to do with chistmas? lets get back to talking about christmas! also i used to think christmas was the whole month of december instead of a single day.

What difference does it make? All the difference. Constantly allowing them to insinuate their religion into ever aspect of our life to lend validity. It sets precedence for allowing further and more aggressive implements. This is not a slippery slope fallacy. It's been observed over and over. Religion will constantly seek to gather influence and it will do so in a incremental fashion. Most changes happen slowly over time. I will not abide government settings being used a stage for religious symbols especially since it tends to be exclusively for a single religion. That statement "In God We Trust" is actually used as "PROOF" this is a Christian nation by the layman who vote. It is not petty to call out the danger of this. When our national motto invokes god and a very specific one it implicately supports that religion and emboldens it's followers. So yeah I'm going to call it what it is in public and if that's petty fine. When beliefs and words and symbols stop having meaning I'll shut up.

@jennorwhateverful

9 жыл бұрын

like what islam is doing in england

@jeremybowser7690

9 жыл бұрын

Its true. Christians will continue to move the Goal Post. This creationism thing in schools, abortions, and civil rights for homosexuals thing has crossed a line for alot of atheists. The free thought movement has on its own collectively decided to begin fighting back against further encroachment. we challenge them on youtube and blogs, we pickets their pickets, and were begining to influence other by making our precence known and reminding people of the constitution.

@BloodTar

9 жыл бұрын

"Religion will constantly seek to gather influence and it will do so in a incremental fashion" And leading atheists such as Aaron Ra, Dawkins and atheism in general, doesn't?

@jeremybowser7690

9 жыл бұрын

BloodTar Atheist gather influence to combat the progression of superstition over rational thought. Religion gathers influence for no reason at all. Just self-replicating, purposeless ignorance about reality.

@BloodTar

9 жыл бұрын

Yes, we all justify our vices and especially our delusions.

Regarding the gideon bible in hotel rooms, I think it's a good idea to take a hi-lighter and emphasize the bizarre stuff that's in there. Help others discover the absurdity.

@CelestialWoodway

4 жыл бұрын

I mean no one is ever going to actually read it. Don't waste your time.

@MM-jf1me

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelestialWoodway I was super bored once and read a bit of one when I was still Christian (it had the pleasant side effect of helping me fall asleep). I'm sure it's pretty uncommon and odds are against these books ever being read, but surely it happens occasionally.

@eddieclark9802

Жыл бұрын

When I travel, I always look for my name in the hotel phonebook, or did. Phonebook? That's only at the payphone. Uh oh. Payphone? 😁 😁

@Instramark

Жыл бұрын

That's funny and useful. I would have howled at seeing that!

@blaq7892

9 ай бұрын

People really read them? They are down 15 % only 79% of hotels still supply, from 100% in 06?!😮

Great interview and that guy is a passionate and fascinating speaker.

"Less faith and more and more interest" My experience exactly.

Price is wrong in his live and let live attitude. Nativity sçenes,for example, on government property just fuels the fire of creating a theist government. Cobra427

I would (genuinely) like to know how ex-believers feel about all the harm they did as believers; even if it's "only" the harm of creating other believers.

@jimgillert20

8 ай бұрын

Being such a persuasive voice for young earth in my schooling years--when there was no internet to fact check the info. Really sorrows me. I have publicly apologized for my icr years.

One of the best guests you've had on, Seth.

Thanks for leaving the comments open. I know there will be some good discussions.

@ghostriders_1

4 жыл бұрын

Totes agree! So many times discussion is shut down on Bart Ehrman^s videos..... vridar.org/other-authors/earl-dohertys-response-to-bart-ehrmans-did-jesus-exist/

Great guest, both in terms of what he knew and his ability to deliver it quickly and coherently. You should find an excuse to have him on again!

@RevengeofGothzilla

10 жыл бұрын

I disagree completely. I found him boring and pretentious, making this episode a difficult sit for me, but to each their own I guess.

@nyxxie023

10 жыл бұрын

RevengeofGothzilla I agree. I didn't like this guy. He made an extremely interesting topic completely boring and pretentious. From the title I was really excited to listen - but he couldn't stay on course, he went in many different directions and he didn't really talk about the main topic. And was it necessary for him to talk like he ate a thesaurus for dinner?

ahh, that kid, so facepalmy, but so adorable

I really enjoyed this podcast with Robert Price. Thanks.

"Truth--'the truth'--is a kind of lie without which a certain species could not endure life." --Nietzsche

I would really like to meet Dr. Price. I've never met an intelligent conservative before. I assume that it would be like petting a unicorn.

the reason for the season is the defeat of rome by kartago leading to the need for a holidy to raise moral... thus Saturnalia!

Thanks for the fascinating interview! He's very interesting and erudite. I'll be buying some of his books.

Yes!!!! I was looking forward to this.

Don't normally care for this show, but I'll listen to almost any interview with Doc Bob.

the holy bible is really the unholy book of horrors

ABSOLUTELY GREAT DISCUSSION!!!!

Josephus' tenth century Arabic version is shorter than the Latin interpolated version (Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3, written about 93-94 A.D): "Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, for he was a doer of startling works, - a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentile; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Professor price is awesome

Dr. Price never disappoints.

Thanks, Seth!

I read the Watchmen about ten years ago, and while yes, a lot of the ideas in it were ground-breaking (the president being depicted as the piece of slime that politicans ussually are, the depiction of "superheroes" as fallible, not always noble, human beings...etc) but I didn't like the ending. Dr. Manhatten kills an entire stadium full of innocent people, and gets away with it, because it's for "the greater good". The fact that happens soon after he becomes a godlike being, is meant to reinfoce the "validity" of his actions, because of the idea that a god is always right. I'll tell you what is a groundbreaking graphic novel series... Preacher (from DC's Vertigo line). In THAT series, God is rightly portrayed as a psychopathic dictator, and the hero is a man on a quest to find God and make him pay for the suffering of humanity. In other words...kick Yaweh's ass.

@weavehole

10 жыл бұрын

Forgive me but unless Im mistaken it was Ozymandius and it was far more people than just a stadium of people. Most of NY iirc. Manhattan lets it happen though as he is forced to see the logic and then forced to kill Rorschach. Reminds me of the Trolley Problem which you may have heard of (if not look it up, v interesting) People keep on recommending Preacher. I shall add it to the long long list.

MEGAMAN TRIGGER The problem with the conservative approach to education is that they see their children more like an extension of themselves not a person with innate rights like for example a qualified education or autonomy over their body. Therefor they can fill the heads of their children with every garbage, lie or half-knowledge they want without any quality control and further please don't teach them to be critical of it. The wanted result becomes obvious: a person with a copy of the parent's belief system not with one of their own creation.

Superb program.

I bought your shirt, sir. Keep doing what you do. Cheers.

Jesus is a fictional character in one of the greatest stories ever told.

Sorry, Dr. Price, I do have a problem with our money and so many other aspects of our society rubber-stamping Judeo-Christian beliefs. That's because I'm a woman, and I have to live in a society where I am a second-class citizen due to these religions.

@thedivinemrm5832

8 жыл бұрын

+Page Turbo 2017 - lol you've displayed the classic Christian Persecuted Victim complex

@sherrydominguez8667

6 жыл бұрын

You poor Christian martyr +Eric Engesser there is soo many media outlets to which you can watch, listen and face time to enrich your knowledge and/or understanding of Jesus. Sorry that Christian women are not submitting to the man in their life. You can wrap yourself in a bubble of righteous but how do you measure it? Talking smack about those who you see as nonbelievers, heathens.

@CelestialWoodway

4 жыл бұрын

Every society on earth has been sexist. With or without religion.

I was Catholic for many years but then these nagging doubts started coming up and would not go away. When I searched for objective evidence for the Jesus of history, I was shocked to learn that there is no credible evidence. The doctrine of "original sin", which was created by Augustine has wounded millions of people throughout the years. I simply rejected the doctrine of original sin and I still do. If there is no original sin, then there is no need for a savior. I still believe in the Divine, having since had a full spiritual awakening. I still like to go to church once in awhile for the reasons that Robert states in this video. Peace.

25:20 - The internet really is the place where religion comes to die. I'm so glad to be alive in the time of its death-blow.

I think determining the history of a physical Jesus is of paramount importance. Disproving Jesus’ existence will help deconvert those who are clinging to “maybe”. And personally, I want to understand how and where and why the myth was personified. What need did it fulfill? Why did it persist? There’s a treasure trove of information there that can help us understand who we are as a society and species, and which direction we’re headed. The guest is, ironically, zealously militant in his desire to rebuke zealous militarism. I wasn’t wild about his perspective. I don’t like it when someone throws out many questions rhetorically as if that validates their position. Answer those questions! That’s more interesting!

I think that Price used a lot of straw men there regarding atheists fighting for a secular and fair government. It is not like there isn't a religious faction determined to undermined secularism and that it has already succeeded in many cases. It is really easy to call people fighting against fanatics , fanatics themselves if you complete ignore the existence of their opposition like the seems to do. You can only live and let live if everyone is taking that instance, and that is clearly not the case. Not to mention that most people that are in fact "fighting for atheism" are not trying to deconvert people but they are fighting to prevent that religious is taken more seriously than it deserves. I really don't understand why Seth didn't call him out on that more. Price wasn't saying that we should pick our battles, at least to me he said that we shouldn't battle at all

@yxrf1xg0

9 жыл бұрын

Not a stwaw mann, Oh Noes!!!11111

@shadehawk

9 жыл бұрын

tekhiun yeah i had a problem with his angry atheists spiel we dont just have a bug up our butt cuz "omg nativity scene, RELIGION!" its because theyre being put up on state property.

@prettyevil6662000

8 жыл бұрын

+tekhiun This was the same issue I had with Dr. Price's speech about live and let live. I would be happy to live and let live. Except that I got called a Satanist all through school, attacked physically, ostracized and taunted. And despite it all, if a Christian leaves me alone, I'll leave them alone; happy to let them live in their ignorant bubble. But I'm sometimes called an angry atheist. That only seems to happen after a Christian has been poking at me for hours, days, weeks or even years. No one cares that I was provoked, often intentionally, into an outburst though; I'm just angry. Did we used to call someone an 'angry, fundamentalist gay' if he got upset because the the right were trying to tell him he couldn't get married and that he was going to Hell? No, we recognized his anger for what it was; a response to incredibly unpleasant, and sustained unpleasant, stimuli. And we don't usually fault a dog for biting someone if they bite someone who has been dangling food over their face for half an hour after starving the poor creature for days. There are atheists who are just angry to be angry, sure, because zealotry exists everywhere. But it's important to not use such a label so loosely. Much of the anger (young atheists, recent atheists, atheists living in incredibly religious locations, etc.) are angry in response to a sustained stimuli; getting to the root cause of what's causing the anger is much more useful than dismissing them as 'fundamental angry atheists'.

great TTA

Its pretty funny how the commercial before this video was about the creationist "museum" Good stuff lol

LONG LIVE THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!! Uhh.....I mean ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!! Why give it up your empire when you can just control the monarchs of Europe and have another one?

Mr. Price was jumping all over the place without much focus, this was one of the more difficult podcasts to sit through.

@christallh24

10 жыл бұрын

You must never have listen to "The Bible Geek". He's always this was why. I stopped listening to him for a little bit. His digs at the President and those whom he considers liberals, kind of odd. Oh, and then there's that he's a climate change denier and a bit of a conspiracy theorist. I still like him, though. I just need to listen to him in spurts.

I take the Jesus story as a story of us. We all have a cross to bear and we carry that cross to our graves. His story teaches us to let things go and not allow all the crap in our lives control our minds.

Does anyone know when the epistles and cannonical gospels first appeared in the historical record??

1:07:00 Awwww...

@Greenbd100

6 жыл бұрын

Elizabeta Macovei I know, right??

This guy acts like religion operates in a bubble. Just let them do what they do, who cares? I don't think so. That's awfully naive.

Hi Seth, are you finding it easier to get big time guests on the show as your viewership grows?

I'm reading, " The amazing colossal apostle " by Robert M. Price which looks at the possibility that the Pauline epistles are mostly pseudepigraphical

Those damn Romans

@SometimesInnocent

10 жыл бұрын

***** who are 'we' in the 'us'?

@0myjoe

10 жыл бұрын

***** and the wine! ;)

@0myjoe

10 жыл бұрын

SometimesInnocent inventions of technology from historical empires (the 'us' is humanity) am i right? #Paul_Darrow

@SometimesInnocent

10 жыл бұрын

***** beer and wine come from Egypt

@0myjoe

10 жыл бұрын

Ah true, in mesopotamia, israel and egypt. But i think the romans introduced it into europe during the reign of their empire since their empire had expanded to these areas

I enjoyed the podcast but the underlining predisposition that often exist in TTA's uploads that they're not like the "angry atheists" sort of perpetuates the annoying stereotype that some of us have hated since being an atheist from childhood. I get it Seth, you and many others made it deep into adulthood as a theist thus you've this connection to it that exceeds the theology but it's a lie that angry atheism is prevalent within atheism. Perhaps I appear angry now. I don't know.

@TheThinkingAtheist

10 жыл бұрын

I've got a pretty wide view of the movement. The Angry Atheist exists, and many do real damage to the movement. Personally, I'd like to see a Valium air-drop over some of these people.

@standoughope

10 жыл бұрын

***** Key word, prevalent. You must consider and I assume you have the sheer number of atheists. The Angry Atheist is our version of Wesboro Baptist and I must say: ours is far superior but still ISN'T representative of the whole.

@standoughope

10 жыл бұрын

***** I agree with the Valium idea, many of us need to chill out. I also enjoyed the opener of the podcast addressing the title of "The Thinking Atheist" being used to misrepresent you. I couldn't agree more, a thinking atheist is the goal for us all not a title you've given yourself. I mainly responded because I feel there's this rift or disconnect between atheists who were so from childhood and the atheists who acquired it later.

@donaldclifford5763

8 жыл бұрын

+Ryan Swanson I'm in harmony with Dr. Price, live and let live. To many religious people, their faith is all important to them. Still I understand the desire to push back against religious chauvinism. A lot of public events such as sporting events include the requisite prayer in unison, always Christian by default, and we're suppose to just go along quietly. Which I do.

@estedetringham7528

8 жыл бұрын

+TheThinkingAtheist - Hahaha, Seth, the Valium airdrop! I have been thinking about the angry part of my transition. Tried to stay in the church for the community, while absolutely not "believing." There are others who attend this local church, yet do NOT believe. They do not seem to have a problem - maybe because they attend with another family member. I found myself get angrier, and angrier, and could not figure out why. The break-point for me came some years ago when 3 - 5 year olds performed a little choreographed ditty, "I'm in the Lord's Army" on the altar. The choreography included making the shape of a gun with their hands, pointing this "gun" towards us in the pews, and pulling the trigger while singing the lyrics, "shoot the artillery." This "violence" was so contrary to what they preached that Sunday that I could no longer stand the hypocrisy. Being angry would probably cause people to tune me out, therefore, remaining as calm as I could I tried to reason with people - nicely - about the truth, but found that very difficult. So I left, but missed the community. Originally I thought the loss of community was making me angry. Nope. It is the loss of years of my life, and other people's lives, while we believe(d) that this invisible man in the sky will fix everything that is wrong in our lives in the next life; that all things happen for the good of god; that our families will be reunited in heaven, etc. Instead of treasuring every second that we have with our grandparents, parents, spouses, children, and friends, and trying to preserve their lives and time with us, we are wasting the only lives we may have. We think that it's OK to not call home this week, because we are so busy, and we "know" that if something tragic happens, this god person will take care of it, that we will see our lost family again. We should ALL be making the most of every second - not wasting time. Not saying "It's god's will," when someone gets sick, but working to find the cure for their illness. Not saying, "I cannot figure this 'black hole' thing out, therefore it must be god's purview, not mine," but pushing through the tough parts to find the answer. How much further along would civilization be if we did not use "god" to explain away that which we did not understand? That thought, alone, makes me angry. Maybe I am explaining it very poorly, but I think you might "get it."

Thank you Robert. Loooved hearing your point of view as someone very recently coming out of a religious mindset. I love your "live and let live" mindset, and dare I say... it's very "Christ-like" IMHO ;)

My name is Joshua. So therefore I'm Jesus.

"People have the right to be wrong until it impinges on someone else." How the hell can Dr. Price use that phrase to justify allowing parents to teach their children blatant lies? That is about the worst form of "impinging on someone else" that I can possibly imagine. Please consider this for a moment: Driving a vehicle irresponsibly can cause a great deal of damage to life and property. This is why we require drivers to be licensed. It's quality control for vehicle operators. Building or repairing structures improperly can result in a great deal of damage to life and property. This is why we require contractors to be licensed. It's quality control for skilled laborers. Raising children irresponsibly can cause a great deal of damage to their lives and the lives of others affected by those children's decisions. Yet somehow, for some reason, in this single MOST important role, the role upon which the future of our species hinges, we don't require a SHRED of competence. If you're 18 or older, you're somehow automatically qualified to have your own family. There is no quality control for would-be parents. Mind-blowing, is it not, that we require proof of competence for other, more immediately apparent risks, but in the case of raising children we give free rein to all comers? I'm not suggesting anything Communistic here -- merely that there should be some form of license in place to help ensure that children are not brought up in environments detrimental to their health. This would no more hamper our human rights than a driver's license exam does. Are the parents financially capable of raising a child? Are they at least of average intelligence? Can they pass a few basic child care knowledge tests? I should think this would be more than fair. We already do this for our *cars*. Our children should get *at least* that much.

who invented jesus ? Hellenized Jews

@siferoy

10 жыл бұрын

This tickled my fancy.

@vladtepes9614

10 жыл бұрын

Pantheist Alexander Yep. Israel had been heavily Hellenized in the 300 years prior to the Christian writings about Jesus. It's interesting to note that the Tetragrammaton (the name Yahweh) appears over 6,000 times in the Old Testament, yet it does not appear at all in the New Testament. God is instead referred to as "The Father" and Jesus as "The Son". It just so happens that Zeus' title was "Father of the gods", so it's very possible that the father / son motiff was adapted from Greek beliefs and then blended with Jewish elements. I think that this could be one of the reasons that the Jews rejected the NT writings.

@ETERNALCYCLES

10 жыл бұрын

Vlad Tepes The Logos, a greek invention 300 years before christianity. Demigod , a son of God born of a virgin invented 500 years before christianity. Turning water into wine a miracle done by demigod Dionysus hundreds of years before christianity, yes Christianity and the Jesus myth is pure greek fiction. Then if you jump to Judaism you see mostly Babylonian influence.

@vladtepes9614

10 жыл бұрын

Pantheist Alexander Oh yeah. The concept of "sons of God(s)" and demi-gods date all the way back to ancient Sumeria. Indeed, much of the Torah (creation, flood story, tower of Babel, etc.) are almost directly plagiarized (word for word in some places) from earlier Sumerian / Babylonian tales.

@ETERNALCYCLES

10 жыл бұрын

Richard Griffith the Romans didn't invent Jesus but used this myth as a means to control the ignorant peasants across their empire, still many ignorant people in this time and age , hence allot of Christians still exist.

I appreciate the scholarly work of Dr. Price. This talk makes me want to go get one of his books, There is a problem in his reticence to actively combat the political , social, and personal damage done by dogmatic faith claims. This is increasingly bringing danger to civilization. The motivations to combat this in our world by those who see this damage comes from a moral and ethical concern for our own children and future.of civilization. People of faith resist science - sometimes with violence - democratic government, free speech, integration of social constructs.

Interesting discussion with Dr. Robert M. Price

bahahaha.. someone can't seem to accept that maybe his Jesus was made up by the Romans. "It is absolutely unbelievable" .. so is Jesus...

Julius caesar became Jesus christ

@B2BCreditandCollection

8 жыл бұрын

+Monty Simpson Really? What makes you think this is true?

@smoknthecity3163

8 жыл бұрын

read and study Mike

@reversal_of_expectation1457

8 жыл бұрын

well the first roman christians really integrate to the roman society after being persecuted to death.

That little girl was funny, you handled your response like a champ!

Dr. Price, you don't want laws against religion, And you don't want atheists to publicly mock religion. Hands off, period? Just hope they wake up?

Wow I have alot of disagreements with this guy. I think he's way to light on religion. Christianity is poison.

Did anyone else get the Holy Land advertisement right before this podcast?

When l was a 10 year old Jesus was real to me too at tht time bcoz every time my dad injured himself or got frustrated at something he would shout or cry out loud " JESUS CHRIST!"

What about the old testament seeming to mimick ancient Egypt writings?

@B2BCreditandCollection

8 жыл бұрын

+Awaken The Next Level (Awaken The Next Level) what about it?

A comment about 8.5 years later, but I wanted to say to Dr. Price's view that schools should have a sort of "world religion" class that my high school had one back in 1998. The teacher was of course a fundamentalist Christian (school is in Indiana), but he did a fair treatment of the "others": Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. With the school budget cuts that seem to be everywhere, I doubt such electives are available to students in many schools.

For the holidays, so that I don't seem obnoxious and so it doesn't seem like I'm trying to be overly PC, I'll respond to "Merry Christmas" with "Happy Hannuka." Because there are other people here than just Christians, but the sentiment is appreciated.

Well, I will be someone who Seth predicted would comment: at around 50:00 he leads into an argument about cultural religion, and how we shouldn't expect to change the culture of Burma (his example). To that I have to say that the difference between Burma and the US is that AFAIK Burma doesn't guarantee freedom of religion in a secular society. That IGWT is on our money or that there is a congressional chaplain just shows our hypocrisy of claiming to be a secular country.

I think the most informative book about this subject I've ever read was "Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth" by Reza Azlan. It's the best book I've ever seen about Jesus, the writers who wrote about him, the Jesus of the past and how the writers created the Jesus that we know now. It's very heavy with history and very well researched.

@B2BCreditandCollection

8 жыл бұрын

+BlackburnBigdragon And was the conclusion that there was a historical character called jesus?

@BlackburnBigdragon

8 жыл бұрын

Yes. But that wasn't what the book was about. It had nothing to do with "concluding whether or not Jesus was real". That was not the point of the book at all. The main point of the book is to show what, given the documentation we have, the real man would have been and this man would have been vastly different from the myth and far more interesting and in many different ways than Christains grant. And the part about Jesus was only about half the book. The rest is dedicated to detailing the writing of the New Testament so if you ever want to learn about the writers of the New Testament, this is your book. It really discusses in detail the history of the New Testament and Christianity. "Zealout" is hands down one of the best researched books on the subject I've ever read.

Well argued, rational and logically convincing. David Master of Theology. Agnostic.

There are so many parodies in the gospels to the older story of "Homers Odyssey" Excavating The Empty Tomb - Part 1

I respect Robert Price a great deal and commend him on his detailed understanding of the issues. I must disagree when he says who cares that "in god we trust" is on the money or similar small transgressions of the first amendment. Lots of people care. It's our money too, it's our pledge of allegiance too. Both these additions are quite recent, and they represent a well financed push to get the christian god into the government in any way that they can get away with. I find it refreshing to hear guys like Dave Silverman take issue with these "small transgressions" Allowing them makes it easier for christians to push for much more significant transgressions...like teaching creationism in science classrooms. It should be very simple: Obey the constitution. There must be no transgressions. That is the law. The separation of church and state is the only way to protect everyone's freedom and their equality under the law. It matters and I think Dr. Price is quite wrong. Many people do indeed care...particularly those who appreciate the significance of the first amendment. Not withstanding that, I thank Dr. Price for his important contributions on these issues.

Great conversation as always. I like Price, even if I sit more in the Ehrman camp. Price raises questions that make historicists like myself squirm. But I find how he then goes about explaining the origins of Christianity without a historical crucified Jewish cult leader even more stretched than the more mundane hypothesis - that there was such a guy, whose story took on legend. It is a fascinating exercise in intellectual curiosity though!

jesus' guyliner was ON POINT!!

Can creationism be brought into a factory to make a product? Evolution can. This makes evolution a fact.

1:06:30 LOL! That kid! I feel bad for laughing.

A Christian Atheist? I want to be one of those lol I actually liked going to Church and having a singalong and a get together with family, in a lot of ways it's better than a party where alcohol is involved. As for Atwill's fisher of men analogy, I'm afraid that was a common thing for the people I come from, it was a poetic and demeaning way of describing a slaughtered enemy, except that men wouldn't have been mentioned at all, they just would have been fish for the killing. When you're they victor you can call them whatever you want. I don't ascribe to all of Atwill's claims but, there is a better case for a New Testament connection to Josephus than there is to a real life New Testament Jesus.

@chriscollins2095

7 жыл бұрын

The most general (and most correct, I think) definition of a Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you follow Jesus' teachings but don't believe God actually exists, you're technically a Christian atheist. Though I guess people could just be culturally Christian, following all the traditions without believing any of it.

Did anyone else notice the "caller".sounded like him...

At 53:20 What pre-schoolers can read?

@markstuber4731

10 жыл бұрын

***** Well, if you were smart enough to be reading at three, you are smart enough to realize how much of an anomaly reading at age three is. You should also understand how absurd it is to derive general conclusions from such anomalies.

If the whole point was to fool people why leave cryptic references that could give the game away? That's something I've never understood about conspiracy theories.

I disagree agree with Robert on his view about religion being taught as potential credible info to kids. We might as well teach kids that Thor is potentially credible and then, in his standards of thought, let them later decide what is real and what is not. Why stop there? Let's throw in Vishnu, and Isis, and the Roman gods, etc etc etc. I say - Make them aware of the myths you KNOW to be myths, and teach them from start REAL information to steer them in the RIGHT direction and not clutter their brains needlessly. I mean, why confuse them? For the sake of playing the game of personal choice? I really get the feeling that this man HAS the right set of information but is still wrestling with the old subsets of his previous beliefs, and understandably so.

“Ham handed buffoons” LOL