Jim: "This homosexual is committing an act of public indecency!" Bob: "By jove! That madman! Under what circumstances did you stumble upon his foul, heinous acts of public sexuality?" Jim: "Well you see, me and five other guys followed him around and spied on him for half a year until we managed to witness him quietly pulling another man into his sleeping quarters." Bob: "..." Jim: "What? We caught that homosexual red-handed!" Bob: "I don't think you know what 'public' indecency means."

@Brian-tn4cd

2 жыл бұрын

Jim: Egads, is it public because in was in the city which is a public place

@vicenteabalosdominguez5257

2 жыл бұрын

Jim: I'll show them, I'LL SHOW THEM ALL!!!

@ethanmacleod1721

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brian-tn4cd Jim: it’s public because WE made it public

@bananacat3109

2 жыл бұрын

I love how Jim is probably more gay here.

@merrittanimation7721

2 жыл бұрын

Jim: "I watched the whole thing. I even took photographs for research!" Bob: "..."

“Achilles and his *friend* Patroclus” “Sappho and her gal pal” it hurts me. It really hurts

@AxxLAfriku

2 жыл бұрын

I STRONGLY DISAGREE! Being as famous as I am on KZread, I know that it gets hard to read every comment I get. I try my best, but I am just so famous, that I can't do it much longer. Sorry, dear ade

@qwellen7521

2 жыл бұрын

I actually visited an Ancient Greek exhibit recently. It was a really nice that they recognised Achilles and Patroclus as a couple. We’ve come a long way.

@Mossymushroomfrog18

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, ✨💖E💐R💞A🌙S💫U🌸R🌟E💝☀️

@bonzupippinpaddleoxacoppil484

2 жыл бұрын

And they we’re roommates!

@danielbarnes1241

2 жыл бұрын

@@bonzupippinpaddleoxacoppil484 Oh my god they were roommates

"Well, nobody's perfect," is one of the most hilarious (and maybe accidentally progressive) lines I've ever heard.

@selonianth

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically I would easily buy that it wasn't an accident. There are a fair number of writers of that era who bucked the Code as hard as they could without *breaking* the code.

@esobelisk3110

2 жыл бұрын

@@selonianth there were absolutely people who did that, and I love them for it, but some like it hot was actually released without being hays code approved - that’s why it’s often credited with being part of the downfall of the hays code, because its financial success helped release the chokehold that the code had on the industry.

@DisKorruptd

2 жыл бұрын

it was not accidentally in the slightest, they changed it TO "Nobody's Perfect" when they were told they couldn't use the line "I know"

@equidistanthoneyjoy7600

2 жыл бұрын

@@selonianth The sort of thing happens all the time. Artists will turn into absolute lawyers about the finest minutae when they want to get around dumb rules like that. The entire reason that 'the western' became such a big genre is because the Hays Code didn't allow stories about revenge unless it's in a historical context. Similarly, offensive songs on the radio. You can't say 'suck my cock' in a song on the radio, but everyone knows "can you blow my whistle" isn't about a wind instrument.

@selonianth

2 жыл бұрын

@@equidistanthoneyjoy7600 or If You Seek Amy isn't about someone actually looking for anyone named Amy.

I find it odd that things like the Hayes' Code seem to suggest that gay sex is so pleasurable that even hearing about it will turn all the "good" boys and girls into debauched hedonists.

@hjt091

2 жыл бұрын

A descendant of the belief that anything fun is sinful, and the related view that sexual intercourse (for reproductive purposes only) is a duty that must be endured, I think. Gay people can't have kids so the only reason they have sex is because they enjoy it, and we can't have any of that, thank you very much. See also: hatred and revulsion towards masturbation

@ToxicBastard

2 жыл бұрын

@@hjt091 The revulsion towards masturbation isn't entirely wrong, it should be treated with caution as it's a vice like any other.

@Sara-sn5gd

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToxicBastard dude no. Masturbating by all medical account is a great health benefit and really doesn't negativity impack your life at all. Sure theoretically it's possible to do it too much (mostly relating to time management and nothing else really), but to me it sounds like "oh but cleaning too much can also be bad". It happens but it wont be a problem for most people and considering b the signs that already exists comments like these aren't needed.

@ToxicBastard

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sara-sn5gd Abstaining from masturbation comes with it's own health benefits, the benefits to doing it are very sparse but the psychological effects can be severe. Like any vice which isn't immediately harmful (pot, soft drinks etc) it should treated with caution and strict moderation.

@ff-pj3de

2 жыл бұрын

From what I understand about the literature, the psychological effects (and probably any effects) from giving up masturbation seem to be purely place. A person who feels shame or guilt about fapping will feel better about themselves if they give up the thing that makes them feel bad. As far as dangers go, if you fap so much that you can’t do work/chores or do it so roughly that you injure yourself repeatedly, THEN you have a problem. But it’s not gonna affect your liver or circulation or brain like pot or alcohol. Cranking one out four times a day starting from when you are twelve is not gonna fuck you up in the long run like doing the same with beers or joints. The benefits are mostly anecdotal and, by actual medical reviews, placebo. Testosterone increase is only temporary, so have to keep fapping for that. Not sure what it does for women, but most of NoFap is aimed at straight guys anyway. Interestingly, participants of a study that presented them regularly with hardcore porn described a lot of the same mental and social benefits like nofappers describe when giving up masturbation. So depending on your psychology, doing that might actually be about as good for you as giving up masturbating. All in all, the studies into giving up masturbation have not proven actual benefits. It’s probably not bad for your health, but you are not gonna be more youthful or more successful or live statistically longer than fappers.

The ace robot thing is such a mood, like is it the best rep? No. Can the existing characters be pried out of my cold dead hands by this point? Also no

@mirjanbouma

2 жыл бұрын

That seems fair!

@vali6717

2 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough I can think of an asexual, agender character who has an incredibly meaningful bond with another character without ever being close to romantic. And of course they actually wind up actually being a bio-engineered terminal for a supercomputer instead of just able to access it. So close...

@kidlewinter5027

2 жыл бұрын

It's so true.

@maaxorus

2 жыл бұрын

I do recommend The Disastrous Life of Saiki K for amazing aro-ace rep. The main character is aro-ace, he's not evil or a robot or child-like. He's just a superpowered highschooler who wants a peaceful life.

@John_Weiss

2 жыл бұрын

The converse, however, is almost inevitable. Why would a sapient machine, which by definition reproduces by construction, even have genitals (nevermind even be human-shaped)? Sex just will not be A Thing for a being that reproduces by designing and assembling a new person. This is not an argument for using them as the only form of ace representation. It shouldn't. There should be compelling _human ace characters._ Leave the asexuality of machine-people out of it unless it's specifically relevant to the plot.

"God, calling someone out for 'public indecency' when you had to hire a team of private detectives to find them out would be so funny if it hadn't ruined so many lives." Oh yeah, absolutely.

@owlblocksdavid4955

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny regardless. I have a morbid sense of humor.

Fun fact: In the brazilian Dub of the Lion King, whilst Scar is getting jumped on by the Hyenas, he says "Eu não DISSE Aquilo! (I didn't SAY that)", but the audio got mixed HORRIBLY, and with the music, sound effects of the fire, the Hyenas laughing,the fact that he said nothing whilst he was getting attacked and the emphasis on "Disse A-(Say Tha-)" made people hear various different things Some people heard "EU NÃO FIZ CHAPINHA(I DIDN'T STRAIGHTEN MY HAIR)" While some others heard "EU SOU BICHA(I'M GAY)" Obviously, nobody would genuinely believe that this was a written line, by Disney or the dubbing team. But it became sort of a meme, because the first few times you watch it, there's goddamn fire cracking sound effects that completely muffle the line, so a lot of people have a hard time hearing it (Including a crazy pastor who went on a Rant about why Disney is unholy) So in some people's memories, Scar's last words were him coming out

@DanielleIsBroken

Жыл бұрын

This is beautiful

@alkazarblack7266

Жыл бұрын

Definitivamente um momento bostil...

@shiro-kun5604

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he believed him being gay would save him from being killed. XD

@CosmicNyan

Жыл бұрын

So long gay bowser part 2

@JJJacko123

Жыл бұрын

So it’s the equivalent of good bye-bye gay Bowser

I always wondered what "natural law" meant, and after pursuing a history degree I found out that it basically means whatever the hell the speaker wants it to mean.

@amelancholybear1534

2 жыл бұрын

Thomas Aquinas has probably the best definitive definition. Though, knowing how the US has historically treated Catholicism does make that a bit too convoluted.

@Alice_Kavanagh

2 жыл бұрын

Is natural law not physics n shit

@PedroCosta-po5nu

2 жыл бұрын

Natural law is that gravity is a thing.

@andreeacat7071

2 жыл бұрын

Natural Law is any law of mathematics pertaining to the natural number, e, also known as 2.71828 with a bunch more numbers attached.

@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547

2 жыл бұрын

@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic563 Ehm... Your brain. It works on electric impulses. Also certain electric eels. Ups sorry... Started writing before finishing to read your post.

“While being queer is inherent, being an asshole is selective” is a very good quote. I like that one.

@damndaniel605

2 жыл бұрын

I will defenitely use that

@LucyLioness100

2 жыл бұрын

Perfectly succinct

@crimsongaming2427

2 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of it kinda disagree.

@oddi3863

2 жыл бұрын

@@crimsongaming2427 How? That is literally true.

@darkcylander

2 жыл бұрын

the problem is people are calling "asshole or bigot" to pretty much everything now. even things as petty as using pronouns for a newborn baby.

Just the Hades line "He's a guy" when Meg is talking about how she thinks Hercules is a good guy. That sent me more than anything.

@malachiroberts6198

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically Hades in Greek Mythology is one of the few heterosexual Gods of Olympus; Ares, Apollo, Aphrodite, Dionysus and Poseidon are Bisexual, Hestia and Artemis are Asexual, Athena is Aromatic so that leaves Zuse, Hera, Demeter and Hephaestus as straight.

@darcylentz6412

2 жыл бұрын

@@malachiroberts6198 Zeus literally stole a cute boy prince to be his cup bearer. Look up Ganymede :)

@malachiroberts6198

2 жыл бұрын

@@darcylentz6412 Oh shit, I forgot about him! I think Artemis has had romantic relationships with women too but not sexual. Basically the old joke holds true: "The Greeks invented the Threesome, The Roman's made it better by adding Women"

@feyefall4855

2 жыл бұрын

@@malachiroberts6198 Zeus isn't straight or bi. Zeus is pan--- not pansexual just a pandemic.

@10001vader

2 жыл бұрын

@@malachiroberts6198 Artemis had no romantic relations with anyone, male or female. her being friends with orion is the closest she ever got to a relationship

About Disney villains, I feel Frollo should be pointed out as being very much the opposite. If anything, he represents society's repression by kicking it into overdrive. His perfectly heterosexual attraction to Esmerelda scares him because of the slightest impropriety of it. It's literally what his villain song is all about.

@Xalerdane

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he’s pretty unique in that his villainy is genuinely kinda compelling. As horrible as he is, in a way he’s just as much a victim of his zealotry as the people he persecuted. There might have been a time in his life when he was a legitimately good person, but his faith and his inability to see the world as anything other than black & white have long since turned him into a monster who can’t comprehend an alternative. A pretty drastic alternative to every other Disney villain, who are all pure evil and enjoying every minute of it.

@Blokewood3

2 жыл бұрын

This is something that confuses me about the whole queer-coding argument. When I see it get applied to characters like Frollo I question it because on the one hand I can see that Frollo's character design has some effeminate features if you compare him to the design of Lady Tremaine, but his character is pretty explicitly lusting after a woman, and in his case, this heterosexual attraction is portrayed in a very negative light. So even if he Frollo has a few minor effeminate details, can he really be queer coded if he is explicitly heterosexual?

@curiousKuro16

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is an interesting pairing with the other explicitly heterosexual villain, Gaston, who still has some aspects of queer coding like vanity and the inability to recognize love beyond the physical, but reads more like a warning against ignorance in general. Also, I would definitely read a paper about how Frollo is a representation of the society that created the coded Disney villains of the past, and how leaning too far into heteronormativity and the appearance of perfection can be more damaging than just, letting people live their lives.

@nathantroscinski2065

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xalerdane Highly recommend looking into the Hunchback of Notre Dame musical. They change Frollo pretty substantially (and more in line with Hugo's original book) by making him the pious arch-deacon. In it, he has a brother who leaves Notre Dame to marry a gypsy and Quasi is his child. On his deathbed he asks Frollo to raise Quasi and Frollo agrees, believing that by isolating and teaching Quasi, he can "protect" him and find redemption for failing to save his brother. Notably Frollo's story ends the same way - he becomes entranced by Esmerelda but can't accept this flaw in his own self image and he rallies a mob to catch and execute her. In the end, Esmerelda ends up dying from smoke inhalation and Quasi throws Frollo from the cathedral roof - citing Frollo's teachings that "the wicked must not go unpunished" and that despite Frollo's protective and infantilizing attitude towards him "he is VERY strong". Both versions are good, but I think the play does a better job shifting Frollo into a tragic figure and highlighting that his worst traits (self righteousness and arrogance) are really virtues that we can see in ourselves just taken to an extreme.

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, so Frollo's het-coded, lol!

and lets not forget the unfeeling villain who is evil because they “don’t feel or understand love”, because as we all know if you don’t want a partner then you are automatically voldemort

@Mae_Dastardly

2 жыл бұрын

Voldemort an aroace icon?

@galaxymoon8071

2 жыл бұрын

I mean it could also be that they don’t feel platonic love

@bigglasses2625

2 жыл бұрын

maybe they meant that the villain doesnt understand things like empathy

@3kojimbles895

2 жыл бұрын

shit, incels get magic? I gotta regrow my virginity now

@niropaxum958

2 жыл бұрын

Idk about a partner, i think its a way tp show a lack of empathy. There is Gaara for example, fits the example you described perfectly, kills ppl casualy at an young age. Does not realy care about his famly, he loves himself and violence. Typical edgy boy, he even has a mental breakdown when he sees his enemy get saved: So its used to describe how a character thinks, idk why you would feeld the need to project ur own sexuality on a fictional character, that is just kinda cringe. Try watching whatever show ur watching next time, insted of drifting into projection land.

Who'd have guessed that making a confident character that people could see themselves in would make fans and creators enjoy said character.

@randomnpc7773

2 жыл бұрын

True that

@ianesgrecia8568

2 жыл бұрын

Confident. Not jackasses. Thats the line the recent writers are forgetting lately...

@bencebotye3904

2 жыл бұрын

This is why we fighting for! Our government just passed a ridicoules law which forbit any book which "popularize homosexuality" (which basically means any positive gay character) can't put to they showcase, and only can sold coverd in a non-transparent foil. Also bookshops can't trade any of these novels close to 200 m to a church, which almost every store in Hungary. :(

@marocat4749

2 жыл бұрын

And it can add diversity which also a plus, and not super predictable cupboards

@sirapple2406

2 жыл бұрын

I’M SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY!!!

Gotta love how “white slavery is too evil to be depicted” rule is right above the “no interracial relationships” rule. Talk about obliviousness.

@ovp3606

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah seems a little specific. Did someone try to make a movie with it and they just refused?

@FrejthKing

2 жыл бұрын

*Laughs in Barbary Coast*

@IggyTthunders

2 жыл бұрын

Beeecause everyone who's biracial has an ancestor that was necessarily owned by another? I hope that's not what you're suggesting.

@mirjanbouma

2 жыл бұрын

@@IggyTthunders that's not what they're saying, nobody suggests "everyone", for starters. You could use some extra reading comprehension classes.

@PedroKing19

2 жыл бұрын

@@IggyTthunders what are you even talking abt

“You’ve been asked many times if your bi but you never actually answered” “Yes I have, I said I am bi” “And once again, you haven’t answered”

@williamharries7790

Ай бұрын

I feel like there is a pun in that, but I can't tell where

@Pumpkin7269

Ай бұрын

​@@williamharries7790 "bi", "bye"

@williamharries7790

Ай бұрын

@@Pumpkin7269 oh

@williamharries7790

Ай бұрын

@@Pumpkin7269 Thank you

“creators killed their gay characters to make sure they don’t get canceled” vivziepop: “thanks goddess they’re all dead”

@kawaiiconcept7479

2 жыл бұрын

I love that Blitz is canon Pan but not a total slut and even has intimacy issues. We stan

@NapaCat

2 жыл бұрын

The imps, succubi, and Goetian demons aren't dead, nor is Charlie.

@rurihime4965

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't there some final death on that show that some special angel weapon can kill them for real?

@paper_nezu7571

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao amazing

@popflicktionedits3256

2 жыл бұрын

@@rurihime4965 yes

...Now I have a stronger urge than ever to write a D&D module where one of the villain's top lieutenants is gossiped about and vilified for "unnatural traits", "unrighteous behaviors", and pretty much all the "usual" phrases... and when the party finally encounters the guy, he's left-handed. Just left-handed. :P

@emblemblade9245

2 жыл бұрын

Yo I love it

@skycastrum5803

2 жыл бұрын

Does he have 6 fingers?

@BrazenBard

2 жыл бұрын

@@skycastrum5803 I don't think you can count on that...

@_k_o_d_a

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrazenBard under appreciated

@Sienisota

2 жыл бұрын

Love it

"I don't mind that they're terrible, I just don't want them terrible around me." I see what you did there. Nice.

@tranquility1967

2 жыл бұрын

This!!!!

@witchBoi_Connor

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderwsm6296 yknow what, that's a fair point. Everything changes and stays the same.

@gobalbucs

2 жыл бұрын

@@witchBoi_Connor Twitter-ites are the PIs of Oscar Wilde’s day-digging up explicitly private information, promptly displaying it all publicly without the consent of those involved, and then somehow having the audacity to call it “PUBLIC indecency.”

The sheer amount of cultural context being condensed into a coherent narrative here is so fucking impressive...

@spritepepsiplushes8353

2 жыл бұрын

8 more likes

@Vinemaple

10 ай бұрын

The information density and clear wording that Red brings to the screen are like that perfect super-rich dessert that tastes like heaven, but you can also trust it not to make you sick. It is *just.* *Right.*

'Once again the power of clean living and racial purity saves the day' 'Hisss' 'Just kiss already' Never change, Red.

Funny how this particular trope has aided the development of another: generic, white-bread heroes and super interesting villains.

@ianesgrecia8568

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah... The number of white, straight, rugged male with a brooding pass is not only a trope but basically the primary format for any Warrior/Fighter character on RPGs

@marocat4749

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianesgrecia8568 And they never ever can not just be not interested romantically, and in any genre and story no matter how unfitting there must be a romantic interests. Or tragic lost love.

@Stynkrat

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianesgrecia8568 so Nathan Drake, Aiden Pearce, Solid Snake, Sam Fischer, and Jon Snow by this logic are all the same character? Yeesh

@ianesgrecia8568

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stynkrat You can put about every damn other one too. Geralt from Witcher, Chris Redfield from Resident Evil, Rambo, Terminator, Scorpion King, Fast and furious... The list is endless... Except from FFs. In Japan the stereotype is more of a pretty boy then the rugged type.

@Stynkrat

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianesgrecia8568 mhm, feminine men are commonplace in Japan just like how rugged manly men are common in the west, yet nobody gives Japan crap for it.

My personal favorite example is Alexander Sokolov, the famous “Cavalry Maiden” who spent their entire life presenting male, fighting for Russia in the Napoleonic Wars like some kind of way cooler, trans Mulan. In his youth, he managed to train a pissed off horse that people considered unbreakable, and rode that horse in battle as part of Russia’s cavalry troops. When he wrote his autobiography, he wanted to publish it under his male name but was pressured into using their birth name by oblivious editors who assumed they were just unconfident. Even after they became too well known as a Russian hero to not be recognized, Sokolov continued to dress and present as male for the rest of his life. In Russia’s current, immensely queerphobic culture, Sokolov stands out as a cultural hero that trans people can look up to.

@Voc_spooksauce

2 жыл бұрын

That's an amazing story, i'm glad he didn't give up on being himself. Really is a good example

@oneproudukrainian2063

2 жыл бұрын

Solokov is truly amazing

@starmaker75

2 жыл бұрын

Being so badass that even your society that is anti-lgbt has to admit your awesomeness

@archevenault

2 жыл бұрын

Any online articles where I can read about him? Google isn't being very helpful.

@DiamondAppendixVODs

2 жыл бұрын

I'm russian and I didn't know about this. What a hero

Dude, imagine how hard it would be to have a compelling protagonist under that code.

@chip-toons

Жыл бұрын

*cough* lake from infinity train is incredibly trans coded

@lamptrent

11 ай бұрын

@@chip-toons henry definitely meant the Hays Code lol

Instead of me fearing the queer coded villain from the Lion King when I was seven, I asked my dad if I could change my name to Scar.

@Xalerdane

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what Scar did too. Also his birth name was the Swahili word for ‘garbage’. While his brother got the word for ‘King’. …Yeah.

@baonkang5990

Жыл бұрын

@@Xalerdane wow.. talk about favouritism

@TrinityCore60

8 ай бұрын

@@baonkang5990Yeesh. No wonder he was jealous of Mufasa.

Don't forget though: being a confirmed bachelor gives you a +10% damage boost against other men

@fiendish9474

2 жыл бұрын

Where's my platinum chip

@dencheneaterofsosig4848

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiendish9474 i ate it i was hungy

@dumpstercast-refuseradio8429

2 жыл бұрын

amusingly it's actually more practical to be gay in fallout new vegas since most generic human combatants tend to be male

@Alexander-iy4gi

2 жыл бұрын

@@dumpstercast-refuseradio8429 amazing

@townjester

2 жыл бұрын

@@dumpstercast-refuseradio8429 you know you can take both perks and do +10% damage to both genders AND be a bi icon

When I heard Oscar Wilde was “accused of sleeping with his son” I did a spit take and almost slammed the cancel button before realizing it was the Marques of Queensburys son

@thunderbird3304

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I was like, "he did WHAT?"

@jbag3408

2 жыл бұрын

"By all accounts he was doing" And I was like "Where did is this written and why wasn't he charged for incest?" Before I realized it wasnt Oscar's Son

@marianabonilla3511

2 жыл бұрын

I......did not realize that until I read the comments. It was a SCARY few minutes, man

@ZeroVX1000

2 жыл бұрын

I was literally seconds away from typing in the comments "HE DID WHAT" before I found this.

@Admiralmeriweather

2 жыл бұрын

to paraphrase a character from Brokeback Mountain: what he likes to do doesn't produce children.

I feel the "they're just good friends" excuse can be a very viable answer. Mainly speaking as someone who is very close to his few friends, the only real barrier between friendship and dating is the one you two agree on.

@Blokewood3

Жыл бұрын

This is the problem with "coding." It is a viable answer, but thanks to the internet's insistence on coding and labeling, it doesn't sound like a viable answer anymore.

@leobastian_

11 ай бұрын

It may be the asexuality in me speaking, but i never really understood the "barrier" between platonic and romantic love some people seemed to have. For me, romantic love is and always will be a messy thing thats if anything a contiunation of platonic love and you cant really separate the two.

@kylajensen1957

4 ай бұрын

@@leobastian_ In a handful of my fanfics I use romantic tropes in a platonic context, inspired by another fan writer who did much the same thing, LuckyLadybug. LuckyLadybug's portrayal of Lector and Nesbitt of the Big Five is what I can think of off the top of my head. In LuckyLadybug's work, Nesbitt is openly aroace, something that he frequently discusses with other characters, and Lector hasn't quite nailed down what his orientation is but wonders if he's demiromantic in one particular story. They explicitly aren't together, just ride or die best friends, but their relationship is the main focus of quite a few stories LuckyLadybug wrote in a way I've never seen before in a non-romantic context. It's not just them, though. Bakura once saves Yami Bakura’s life through the power of true love - its just that that love is completely platonic. I frankly would love to see more focus on platonic relationships vs romantic ones.

6:50 I like how the first one says "nobody is perfect" and the moment he says that you can see the others facial expression change to being very intrigued. Both are bi and its honestly very funny to see that in a old movie.

First moment after getting a shoutout: Holy shit YAAAAYY! Second moment: Oh fuck, was that video any good? Did I say anything stupid in it?!

@skemono

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats on the shoutout! Although maybe she should've shouted out your Rebecca video, which talks about the Hays Code more?

@D0cSwiss

2 жыл бұрын

You got a shoutout for that specific video, that should be a pretty good sign that it was good

@losttessa6998

2 жыл бұрын

It’s ok Dom we love you!!

@emilyarmstrong83

2 жыл бұрын

I remember that video being pretty good, dude!

@rosebloodwater13

2 жыл бұрын

I remember that video. And to answer your question yes, yes it was in fact good. And no I don't remember you saying anything considerably dumb.

My favorite queer-coded villain has to be James from Team Rocket. And the coding definitely helps his character. His flamboyance, over-the-top attitude, hybrid of complex lover/gay best friend relationship with Jessie, and general snark make him a very compelling villain

@alericantonelli4656

2 жыл бұрын

He was held back IMO by Jesse's overly aggressive and demeaning attitudes.

@emblemblade9245

2 жыл бұрын

I’m in love with the fact that not only does James crossdress, but Jessie sometimes does as well. I think having them both do it reinforces the act as a bold expression rather than just singling out James for sometimes making himself look like a girl (which he totally rocks though). Of course his best costume will always be the mighty flaming Moltres!

@kirtil5177

2 жыл бұрын

@@emblemblade9245 james that one episode: I'M WEARING TIGHTS INSTEAD OF PANTS :D !

@kendobunny

2 жыл бұрын

They're pretty much the platonic ideal of queer people in an XX/XY relationship. Both of them are so flamboyantly not-straight and give a lot of suggestions that neither one of them is fully cis either, that even though we know in the manga that they marry and have a child, we know that they weren't straight-washed.

@Ilikebats123

2 жыл бұрын

James is the nicest character in the whole anime

This video reminds me of the moment I realized the friend I grew up with in high school was no longer the friend I had now. I had gone through a -lot- and he was the only one that really stuck with me despite doing so putting him on the radar for the monsters in the school. Fast forward to just recently. I was on short-term disability for mental health reasons, and decided to pick up a little game called Undertale that someone had gifted me through Steam. I marathoned it in one day, getting the neutral and then true pacifist ending at 3AM in the morning, and it's one of the few games that I legitimately wish I could play again with fresh eyes. The themes of good and evil being a choice, the sly 4th wall breaks, DETERMINATION; all of it hit me at a time when I -needed- something good in my life. I don't exaggerate when I say it changed my life. It might have very well saved it. So I started looking things up about Undertale. Found music, found art, found stories. It was amazing, and to be honest a little disquieting at the same time. I had done some writing myself and thought I was clever with it, and the way that Undertake doesn't tell you but -show- you things made me feel like a third grader writing a DBZ fanfic. I went to talk about the game with my best friend, and he shut me down cold. Said he wasn't interested because Undertale pushed an agenda. "What, don't be an asshole?" I remember blurting out before I could stop myself. "The gay agenda," he replied, annoyed. I was speechless. This was a guy that had stuck with me all throughout high school while being called every gay slur imaginable. This was a guy who could have saved himself a -lot- of pain by doing the same when everyone laughed and pointed. And he's refusing to even talk about something that had such a positive effect on my life because two non-human female characters have a crush and kissed. (I suppose the two burly guards might count too but I almost forgot about them until just now). I wish I had something clever, or profound to say to him at that time. Or to comment about how disappointed I was in him for holding such a view. But I stayed silent.

@angelaridley4554

2 жыл бұрын

bless u, u sound like a great person, keep living your life pal

@olafgurke4699

2 жыл бұрын

That's rough, buddy. Meme aside, that must've hurt incredibly much. I mean, I personally don't like Undertale for its gameplay, but I heard that the story is widely acclaimed as a masterpiece. And that Sans is pretty dope. I could think about several other things that would "push the gay agenda" a lot more than Undertale. The game is full of greatly written characters, some of which may happen to not be straight. I hope that he either turns around and you two reconcile, because it is obvious how important he is to you and that you care, and I'm sure that he cares about you, too. Otherwise he wouldn't have sticked with you. Maybe you could try to talk it out? Sit down with a cup of tea, or soda, or whatever you like to drink, and talk about it calmly. Listen to each other's points of view. Also, I'm almost certain you have found it through your research, but if not, you will most likely also like Deltarune. It's free on Steam, I think, and supposedly very good. A dear friend of mine talked about it like you just talked about Undertale. To conclude, I wish you just the best in your future. Whether that includes your friend or not.

@someonerandom8552

2 жыл бұрын

Oof my condolences friend. Perhaps there’s more issues to discuss with your friend? I’m not saying what they did was okay, by any stretch. That was incredible insensitive of them But perhaps there is some resentment from such homophobic treatment they received you mentioned that should be discussed and sorted through. Gently, mind. I once held very toxic views without realising it, even as I advocated for the LGBT+ community. I shut down hard whenever my biases were criticised. Mostly because such criticism was often rather harsh and confrontational. In hindsight I can understand why that was. But to defuse emotional responses is often a better strategy. At least some of the time. But I’m just some jackass on the internet. Just offering an observation. Keep well and keep safe. And know there’s always the Undertale fan community to discuss your love of it with. Hopefully you find more acceptance there

@DiamondDogVenomSnake1984

2 жыл бұрын

I have much the same relationship with Undertale, and it's heartbreaking that he would write off such a beautiful game because of homophobia. I hope he's open to understanding how messed up that is, and that your relationship can be repaired 💙💙💙

@vladimirenlow4388

2 жыл бұрын

Prejudice and xenophobia can infect otherwise good people. We all have our blind spots. I encourage you to ask questions and challenge his assumptions. What is "the gay agenda" to him, and why is it a problem? Don't make it into a confrontation--simply explain that for you, the inclusion of a same-sex couple enhances, or at least doesn't detract, from the game's quality and messaging. That he understands the effects of bullying and harassment should pave the way for an epiphany.

9:43 *"Scar, despite being... you know... a lion"* made me chuckle out loud.

@somethingwithmusic7080

Жыл бұрын

😅

Meanwhile in a parallel universe: Trope Talk straight-coded villains

@toxicsugarart2103

2 жыл бұрын

Or gay-coded heroes

@Cr33pysku11

2 жыл бұрын

God I wish we lived in that universe

@arkangel19966

2 жыл бұрын

already happens most villains in modern writing are blond blue eyed and German, rich and traditionally masculine. like that new movie with the rock in the jungle finding moon pedals.

@WolfBoy-om6dw

2 жыл бұрын

Why do I want to see this

@nathanjereb9944

2 жыл бұрын

Why do I get the feeling that the villains are going to be bland a a popcorn bagel in that universe

I feel like this trope has come full circle: People used to queer code villains because it was the only way to portray them Now people queer code villains because they're popular. A standard macho villain? Meh. A villain who loves musical theater? Now THAT we can make bank off of!

@ryuudraco592

2 жыл бұрын

Heck people often find non flamboyant villains boring. Like look at Jafar then look at the villain from frozen. Now tell me 1 do you even remember his name and 2 wether it was the prince or the dad they were just boring. The prince wanted to marry then kill to get the thrown yet Jafar is more loved and the father was killed off and only the catalist for Elsa to have her nervous freak out because he made her scared of her power (hence why he's more remembered then the actual villain)

@augustuzmoon3814

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryuudraco592 I love me a villain who isn't flamboyant cuz I want writers to use different tropes case in point Omni man

@ryuudraco592

2 жыл бұрын

@@augustuzmoon3814 I can respect that. After all there are great non flamboyant villains, but my personal tastes are the villains that are over the top or flamboyant like joker or freeza. But there's non flamboyant/gay coded villains I like, light and two face are also great villains in my mind

@derekskelton4187

2 жыл бұрын

Also villains just by their nature get to be more interesting, so you can add a lot of depth you couldn't with a hero.

@DanielRodriguez-gs2xj

2 жыл бұрын

@@augustuzmoon3814 I agree, branching out and trying out new things with your villains is vitally important

My first Playthrough of Fallout New Vegas, I took the perk "Confirmed Bachelor" - Only later did I realize this was a 50's Euphemism for Gay, but upon learning this knowledge, reveled in the knowledge that I was playing a gay cowboy. Yeehaw!

Just note that Double Trouble was made by Noelle, a non binary trans lesbian who said they always identified with non-human shapeshifters BECAUSE they are a non-binary person (see also their comic Nimona)

@Jazzisa311

2 жыл бұрын

I don't even think that the idea of non-binary people being represented by shape-shifters is necessarily bad... I mean, it's kind of a wish-fulfilment, that's what I hear a lot. Especially for gender-fluid people, so they are perceived by the people around them exactly the way they feel, and they never have to explain themselves. I'm especially thinking of Alex from the Magnus Chase novels (books in the Percy Jackson world, sort of kinda sequels I think?)

@skaryzgik

2 жыл бұрын

I once heard it described approximately like this: The problem isn't the fact that characters like Double Trouble exist. The problem is that that's very nearly the *only* kind of non-binary characters that happen. There's a portion of the audience that grows tired of almost every non-binary character having to be something inhuman. It is true that in that particular show, most of the main characters are some sort of fairy princess, and many characters have animal-like traits like fish tails and lobster claws. But Double Trouble, being more reptilian, still seems a bit more distant from the "human" baseline. Even the plant princess seems mostly human, with the flowers and vines serving almost more as decoration than as a separation from humanity. It can be less a matter of disliking Double Trouble, and more a matter of wishing there was more variety available, and seeing confirmation reflected in the media that non-binary people can still be human. Double Trouble is one of my favorite characters, but I do also agree with the point that we need more nonbinary characters in general, so that we can have characters like Double Trouble without that being *all* we have.

@nenakarra2579

2 жыл бұрын

@@skaryzgik Again, context matters. Those non binary characters were made by cis people in the past. As a result, us who grew up with them ended up identifying with shapeshifters, monsters etc. Reclaimed them. This nb creator did too.

@novameowww

2 жыл бұрын

didn't read this through properly and i thought you meant Noelle Deltarune

@oneofthepeoples

Жыл бұрын

I know this comment was made before he revealed his name, but his name is Nate now! He’s Transmasc

"These characters are beloved! Except Gaston." Ex-fucking-cuse you? No one is as loved as Gaston!

@keineahnung8062

2 жыл бұрын

There's no man in town half as admired as him; he's everyone's favorite guy. Everyone's awed and inspired by him, and it's not very hard to see whyyyyyyy...

@dabuff1319

2 жыл бұрын

@@keineahnung8062 No ones!!

@blahturretx7327

2 жыл бұрын

@@dabuff1319 Slick as Gaston. No one's quick as Gaston. No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston!

@gibiuswrecks5215

2 жыл бұрын

@@blahturretx7327 For there's no man in town half as manly! Perfect, a pure paragon!

@halfmettlealchemist8076

2 жыл бұрын

B A R G E

The unintended side effect of this trope is creating characters that some people loved way more than the actual heroes of the story.

@starmaker75

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, people loved the fabulousness of it

@Mossymushroomfrog18

2 жыл бұрын

Girl boss dragon witch > Lady that slept

@supershadowfan2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@starmaker75 yep love me a fabulous villain

@Alexlalpaca

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mossymushroomfrog18 God, I loved the dragon lady as a kid

@pash_4904

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Though, I guess it’s not surprising that a culture that has an “assumed default” (straight white cis male) and enforced basically all heroes to be that default makes them incredibly boring.

Wired side note: did you know that because of this kind of stuff, the writer of the batman comics at the time had to put Robin srounding by a whole bunch of women because Robin (a 13 year old) was seen a homoerotic because he spent to much time with batman 🙅🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

@nathanjereb9944

Жыл бұрын

wut

@tomebasic2843

Жыл бұрын

Well, It would be hell of a lot less sus, if not for the way Robin was dressed... And that batman continues to adopt traumatized orphans and dressing them all up in the same costume...

@phastinemoon

Жыл бұрын

You should check out the documentary about the Adam West Batman show - there was a whole thing about it that the actor had to deal with.

i thought it was called the 'haze' code lol also "welp, nobody's perfect" is just such hard Bi energy i love it

The “Strong hero vs smart villain” and queer-coded villains tropes combined to give us the classic Thor vs Loki dynamic

@dumpstercast-refuseradio8429

2 жыл бұрын

it also implies that gay people are inherently smarter which isn't accurate but i'll take it anyway

@smallss7197

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, Loki being gay would make his offspring in Norse mythology extremely funny

@shadowshedinja6124

2 жыл бұрын

@@smallss7197 given that Loki is both a mom and a dad within mythology, I think he might be bi.

@omegabet3912

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowshedinja6124 And trans, maybe?

@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard

2 жыл бұрын

@@omegabet3912 possibly Genderfluid, Loki's possibly had no issue flippibg through genders if needed, if we remove any "christianizations" who knows how more out there Loki actually was

To quote myself describing my dnd campaign, "If you only queer code your villians that's a problem, but if you queer code everyone then that's just hot." Thusly my dnd campaign became ambiguously bisexual

@alfalldoot6715

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't this just Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?

@soedragons3582

2 жыл бұрын

So, JoJo's bizarre adventure: dnd version?

@oimate6357

2 жыл бұрын

“Thusly, my dnd campaign became ambiguously bisexual.” Is the best way to end a story

@ActionCow69

2 жыл бұрын

There was nothing ambiguous about the bisexuality of my paladin of Sune, and I'll have it no other way. He wasn't actually *that* promiscuous, but god did he love to flirt. Being a champion of love, beauty, and music, is way more fun than a bog standard hero of justice or whatever.

@skycastrum5803

2 жыл бұрын

It’s only hot because D&D is itself just a slice of your life. Can work fine for some games, but not exactly well rounded. Yeah... I spoil jokes. For what it’s worth, I found it funny.

I don't identify as trans, but I do like to present very feminine sometimes depending on my mood, and growing up on Rocky Horror Picture Show is why I tend to wear crop tops and carry purses in blatant disregard of public opinion

@doubleoof7907

9 ай бұрын

That’s so cool, I wish I was brave enough to do that

@ChatookaMusic

9 ай бұрын

@@doubleoof7907 well I will add what my much smaller friend likes to point out a lot, I take for granted the fact that I'm 6'6 and like 220 pounds and therefore not someone most people would choose to confront regardless. Idk tho I have a hard time seeing myself as any kind of intimidating, especially when I'm wearing cat ears and thigh high socks 😅

@positivelink6961

9 ай бұрын

I’m a trans girl, but in case you don’t know about this, but the label of “genderfluid” might be worth looking into? I dunno if it’ll apply to you or not. Figuring yourself out is hard

@ChatookaMusic

9 ай бұрын

@@positivelink6961 nah I'm like 26 and pretty comfortable with my gender identity, it's all the stuff around it that I'm still messing with xD

@cosygoose1813

9 ай бұрын

The reason people don't do those things is because one it would be freezing and two men pockets are big enough to fit everything in. So do what you like but it's less Christian Republican stares and more "thats very unpractical".

As someone who ends up writing a lot of queer non-white characters, I try to hold myself to a rule: “for every queer, non-white, neurodivergent, or GNC antagonist, there must be an equivalent protagonist.” One of my villains is extremely trans coded and flamboyant, but their nemesis is equally trans-coded. I have a few colored villains, but almost all of my protagonists are POC… because I’m a queer poc, and end up writing people I can relate to, but also because diversity needs to be portrayed as a good thing, not a bad thing. It’s not some crazy agenda… it’s just “if my only diverse character is evil, what am I suggesting?”

@katehuber4974

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I also hold myself in the same standard. There a story I’m working on where I have several characters who are lesbian and gay where the villain is gay and actually likes the hero and that’s his main motivation. Heck the hero is openly bi and actually returns some of the villains feelings before discovering how evil they are. It’s cool to know I’m not the only person out there with this idea. Heck I love it when I see parts of myself in a marvelously written villain especially when the hero has the same characteristic and I’d hate to see the LGBTQ+ community lose that due to this trope which honestly feels on par with the white savior trope in terms of implicit bigotry

@Moonstar8400

2 жыл бұрын

it's a good rule. A rule I have for myself is that I have to do my utmost to present any character in a group, especially a marginalized group, I'm not a part of well. No matter if they are good or evil, I just have to do it in a way that is respectful, well researched, and well again respectful. Doesn't matter if I never intend the project to see the light of day, I just want to make sure I do a good job.

@dunbass7149

2 жыл бұрын

Why is the skin relevant ?

@BJGvideos

Жыл бұрын

I figure I'm depicting individuals, not a quota.

@Vinemaple

10 ай бұрын

Don't worry about it too much, I'd say. It's just that thing where living all their lives with privilege makes people see fairness as discrimination or hostility.

"Queer-Coded Villain" is the most fabulous character you've drawn on this channel, and I will fight anyone who disagrees. Also, as a pansexual person, it pains me to say that you almost HAVE to portray bi and pan people as highly promiscuous or many people will never believe that they're actually bi or pan. If they're primarily shown with partners of one gender, then people will assume or even insist that the times they're shown with partners(or even just A partner) of the other gender are just outliers and don't count. I've even had an actual person tell me "You can't like both, just pick one and stick to it." Like, they didn't care if I was gay or straight, I just wasn't allowed to be pan.

@TheRedAzuki

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like "You can't like vanilla AND chocolate, just pick one and never ever ever try anything else ever."

@alphaxtitania5597

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRedAzuki Yeah, or "you can't like Coke AND Pepsi" or "you can't like Country AND Rock". Why are we as a species so obsessed with boiling everything down to two options and then picking a side?

@minutemansam1214

2 жыл бұрын

@@alphaxtitania5597 Okay, I don't care if you like being with men and women, but if you drink Pepsi we CANNOT be friends.

@TheRedAzuki

2 жыл бұрын

@@alphaxtitania5597 you can't like "rock AND roll, just like rock or roll." 😂

@Wish_upon_a_star

2 жыл бұрын

@@alphaxtitania5597 That is the sad state of the politics in my country,there's two main candidates who are absolute corrupt and egocentric sh1t who gonna wreack the country even more than it already is wreacked,but people are more interested in fighting anyone who don't vote for these two because they think the one they didn't vote will be worse than the one they chose.

...I am seriously amazed that you managed to talk abour queer-coded villains for 15 minutes without mentioning Him from Powerpuff Girls even once.

@vassily-labroslabrakos2263

2 жыл бұрын

It's not like Him was a satire/parody of the concept.

@Kilthan2050

2 жыл бұрын

dude ended being the scariest cartoon villain of all time. O_O

@Fearoq

2 жыл бұрын

Oh god i just rmb him. Somehow he still scariest villain in PFG and Snafu PFG/Grim Tales

@cestalia

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, he's one of my favourite villain, and I don't even know he's queer coded

@desuordie4856

2 жыл бұрын

Him was my first introduction to queer individuals. Honestly it made him interesting. The Scarlett was the devil motifs or that he usually gave the girls a run for their money. And he also didn't give a damn

The Scar thing is actually kinda plausible, as lions are one of the many non-human species that often form same-sex relationships, which is why I love that a group of lions is called a PRIDE.

@Xalerdane

2 жыл бұрын

I read once that it’s been documented that two lions will successfully share a pride. The catch is, lions reinforce their position by regularly banging the females, and to make the relationship work the two males will take it in turns to bang each other. So now you have to wonder what exactly it was about not being king that got under Scar’s skin…

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

Жыл бұрын

@@Xalerdane You are aware that lions that share a pride are I believe in more then 90% of the cases brothers. So not sure if that incest route is what you want advocate for. Also fun lion fact, Scar would be the dominate male/more attractive male from the two brothers. His dark mane is very attractive to lionesses as it shows an increase in testosteron and fuffils the same role as peacock feathers and the like in nature and reproduction.

@Xalerdane

Жыл бұрын

@@BrotherHood-xh9sg Hey man, there's a species of mite that's born pregnant with multiple female offspring and only one male offspring inside, and the females take it in turn to mate with their brother before eating their way out of mom and leaving his underdeveloped ass to die with her. Human standards of sexual morality aren't necessarily animal standards of sexual morality. You're 100% right about Scar being the one who got all the looks though. RL lionesses all like their men tall dark and handsome. Guess Mufasa was just one of those guys who're far more charismatic and charming than they look.

See, this is why I love The Dragon Prince (among other reasons). It shows pride, doesn't make it a huge deal, but doesn't hide it. They treat it like a normal relationship, nothing more, both less.

@koalatydm

2 жыл бұрын

Same! And I think we're only going to be getting more representation in the show as time goes on. Do you think Kazi would count as a "human" enby, since elves don't seem particularly alien in this show?

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

same with kipo and the age of wonderbeasts! one of the main characters comes out as gay (spoiler) and it’s handled very normally by everyone around him. he’s just gay and it’s not a big deal. anyway go watch kipo rn it’s on netflix

@RacingSnails64

Жыл бұрын

The biggest mistake queer writers make is trying to *prove* their characters can be gay. The greatest victory queer writers can claim is just letting their characters be gay.

@chip-toons

Жыл бұрын

The Owl House does this to some extent as well. you could argue that the scene where Luz officially comes out to her mom defeats this point, but coming out is still normal to queer culture

@starcycle4308

Жыл бұрын

@@chip-toons Yes I adore TOH!!

The owl house at least I feel does a really good example on how to properly do a story that embraces queer Characters. Romance isn't the main part of the story but the romantic subplot between the main character and her bully turned friend turned love gets quiet a bit of spot light. What I especially like is how Dana terrace the creator goes out of her way to make being queer the norm. If two girls or two boys want to get together just as likely to happen as a boy and a girl. And we actually got a pretty big non binary character who is a love interest for one of our main protagonists. I would definitely recommend checking it out.

@Mossymushroomfrog18

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think amity ever really bullied luz, she didn’t get much time to before the library episode

@diegosanchezresendiz4528

2 жыл бұрын

Props to Dana for actually writing a non-binary character who is not a shape-shifter or something like that, just a regular person. Also, poor Raine. I hope they are fine.

@cleverfoxstudios1786

2 жыл бұрын

Owl House is best house

@dragongamer4753

2 жыл бұрын

Its also a good example on why you should put your fucking kids on ridiline.

@dragongamer4753

2 жыл бұрын

Also it is stastically improbable that you have an equal rep of all considering they make up less than 10 percent of all relationships.

This could also be a sub-point of why "sympathetic/tragic" villain has also been on the rise. When so many villain characters written as intended villains come off as interesting and relatable to an audience both queer and not queer (almost like the idea of confidently being yourself is universally relatable and desired), newer writers take that aspect in as well and tend to write antagonists as 3 dimensional, even if not expressedly queer coded. But I wouldn't complain as the trope of "there's a person inside everyone, even your enemies" is pretty positive and ironically a good modern moral to aspire to.

@marykateharmon

2 жыл бұрын

It is. Even though it would also be nice to acknowledge it and have the villain be an outright villain that will not become good. At the very least, you could make them tragic because you could get a glimpse on what they could be, yet they refuse to change.

@erinyes3943

2 жыл бұрын

Looks, I don’t know why, maybe it’s just been a day, but that last part is making me tear up Gosh Hm It’s nice

@folkloric3059

2 жыл бұрын

That is likely a part of it, but the message of humanizing enemies is a really old concept. And I think the "3 dimensional villain" came from the Realism movement, with authors actively rejecting the concept of the "pure evil villain."

@jondoe7036

2 жыл бұрын

@@marykateharmon I was honestly expecting/hoping for something like this when watching Maleficent; a story that goes in parallel with the original animated film, but fleshes Maleficent out as a character and gives us an idea as to what makes her tick. In hindsight it was very naive of me to give Disney that much credit and I honestly don't think we'll ever get a villain from them, that we can fully understand and/or sympathize, while also recognizing what they do as blatantly evil. A nuanced and well reasoned human evil is uncomfortable, after all.

@christopherbennett5858

2 жыл бұрын

@@marykateharmon This redemption thing also brushes up against some backwards attitudes towards abuse victims and the healing process with some going on about how to heal, you have to forgive abusers or because they're family so they have to be forgiven. The downside is that the majority of shows that do it do it rushed with the villain either being the big threat instead of a minion and the redemption being more about other people being told to trust them instead of the villain ding any of the work. Or its skipped over. Case in point being the diamonds from Steven Universe, Legend of Korra's meditation scene and Draxum from Rise of the TMNT. These villains are also usually the most deplorable. If you want nuance, I'd check Higurashi Gou for how they handle Teppei. He comes to his own realisations, visibly shows how he's trying to change his ways and tries to amend things with Satoko; the niece he abused. Here's the thing though; the show visibly shows that there's too much water under the bridge for everything to heal or be forgiven and Teppei understands that, leaving it open ended.

How do queer people always find each other? I've noticed as I've gone through high school and now college that, one by one, all my friends are gay. My brother is bi, my bestie is bi, my co-bestie is both lesbian and nonbinary, and I only really have one straight friend left?? I dont get how that happened. We all, separately, fought ourselves about it on our own. My co-bestie was so anxious to tell she wan nonbinary because he was worried I would stop wanting to be friends, meanwhile I'm over here like "eyyy jammidodge is my fave youtuber bro" and that's happened with basically everyone I know??? The reason I say this is because I've been watching this channel for years. I watched it all the way back in middle school. Recently, when JK Rowling was super transphobic, imma be honest I was really afraid for a bit that all my favorite creators would hate me for being me. But then... one by one, the channels start being more and more supportive. I remember specifically sitting and watching SciShow Phych and them going "Hey! This research was ONLY in relation to cisgender individuals, so theres a gap in this study there" and I cried lol. And even though I'm pretty late watching this, it means so much to me, personally, that a channel that shapes so much of my personality would dedicate a whole episode to something like queercoding. I've always loved trope talks, and sometimes stumbling on unexpected support from a familiar face is what I need to get through the night. Thank you.

@knate44

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if you have seen Jojo's bizzare adventure by my friend theorizes it is like how Stand users are attracted to one another lol.

@juliefarrell6688

Жыл бұрын

i am a pansexual gender questioning sack of flesh who just got out of 5th grade. many of the friends I've grown up with are also gay. I was actually suprised to learn: WE. ARE. EVERYWHERE.

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

i think it’s partly because of the connection between autism and queerness. a lot more autistic people are gay compared to allistic people, and because autistic people have similar communication styles that allistic people find weird, we naturally seek each other out.

@VanNessy97

Жыл бұрын

@@knate44 Do you believe in gravity?

@RocketJo86

Жыл бұрын

That's actually a pretty interesting observation. I(knowingly) have only straight friends, with the exception of my girlfriend, of course. I do have some good accquiantances on all ends of the spectrum, but my core friend group now is mostly happily in a hetero marriage, half of them with kids.

Me: "Oh cool, Red is going to include a bunch of youtube videos about this subject as additional reference." Also me: "I have already seen literally every one of these."

"Look, I know some people are terrible alright, I don't mind. I just need them to not be terrible around me, OK!" This is my new favourite quote and should be available on a t-shirt.

@DaveTpletsch

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I actually intend to say it to the next person who suggests that gay people should be able to have state approved monogamous relationships, they "just think they should call it something other than marriage". Or any of the other segregated bullshit bigots like to say.

@bruh-hq9fc

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveTpletsch can you explain the quote to me? Is it that the mindset of some people is that lgbt+ people can exist just away from everyone else? Am i reading this correctly?

@DaveTpletsch

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruh-hq9fc Something like that. I suppose I don't hear that one specifically much anymore, but I live in a VERY conservative state, and it's something I hear parroted all the time any time LGBT+ marriage rights come up for debate. Basically it means what it says. Many conservatives I know, or knew, who like to think they're not bigots will say things like "marriage is between a man and a woman" and suggest that since queer people can't have babies with their partners in the traditional way, that they should have different names for the kinds of families they form, including marriage. They'll say they're fine with homosexual partnerships as long as it's not called marriage. I'm ashamed to say that I've said the line I quoted above a couple times myself growing up, before I understood that I myself was bi, or was allowed the chance to even consider the LGBTQIA+ side of the argument. Conservative indoctrination starts very young after all. I've heard that statement so many times I just assumed it was a common argument from conservative people, sort of a "they can have the same thing, just call it something different" attitude. Maybe it's a unique experience for me though. TLDR: conservative people I know are OK with LGBTQIA+ relationships as long as all our labels are kept separate.

@bruh-hq9fc

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveTpletsch i mean that is literally the 'normal' reaction to something some people dont understand. Thanks for the insight

@equidistanthoneyjoy7600

2 жыл бұрын

It's a little long to fit on a shirt and keep legible. Maybe something shorter like 'I know some people suck, just don't suck around me'?

"Boston Marriage" sounds like a great name for a band

@mechamonkeymancityboat7785

2 жыл бұрын

The Boston Tea Marriage Party

@ethangonzalez8904

2 жыл бұрын

@@mechamonkeymancityboat7785 Or Boston Marriage Tea Party

@Ismael-kc3ry

2 жыл бұрын

That’s just Boston but all the members of the band are gay

@thetransallegory

2 жыл бұрын

Technically there is a band called Boston. Great band, great music.

@enamis1

2 жыл бұрын

Boston Manor is close enough. banger music too

I read the first chapter of Dorian Grey and all I could think was “damn this is homoerotic”

@nihilego3634

2 жыл бұрын

Even the society of the time thought the same about the book.

@McShival

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has read the entire book, yes.

@lenabluejay1166

4 ай бұрын

Same!! I read it recently and I'm obsessed!!! If anyone's interested, I'm writing a musical adaptation (and I painted my crush so I could write a song for the musical about how it feels to paint your crush!)

I came here expecting nothing more than talking about queer-coded villains, and got a crash course in gay culture. pretty epic honestly

my favorite "flaming" joke for a character is in arrested development, where George describes his prison cell-mate T-Bone as a "flamer," making Michael think T-Bone is gay when actually he's just an arsonist

@bobatea7608

2 жыл бұрын

where,,,,are these characters,,,,from?

@cheshiretrick

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobatea7608 arrested development! very good show

@toxicsugarart2103

2 жыл бұрын

Yesss I’m obsessed with that show

Red: "This video was sponsored by Campfire Blaze! Insert 'flaming' joke here." Me: "Actually, I was gonna go for 'camp'."

@Gormathius

2 жыл бұрын

Flamboyantly camp?

Really hoping they'll cover the "Step dad villain that actually cares about the protagonist" trope. Like Pagan Min

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

Жыл бұрын

Is it a trope if you name only 1 character? (Edit; saying that I thought about this and I can't name anyone that would fall under this "trope" and you only named 1 example).

@brassbucket1998

Жыл бұрын

@@BrotherHood-xh9sg Aku in the last season, kinda The villain from lego ninjago Darth Vader Even though they're actual fathers

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

Жыл бұрын

@@brassbucket1998 I see. I took the "step dad" part, a bit to literally xD

@chip-toons

Жыл бұрын

@@BrotherHood-xh9sg Prof. Venomous

@Teahillmusic

11 ай бұрын

@@BrotherHood-xh9sg maybe Chloe’s step dad from life is strange?

My solution to this kinda stuff, at least in my writing has been the “bi until proven otherwise rule” as I’ve dubbed it. In other words, if a character doesn’t end up with a romantic partner or it isn’t an important detail, it’s left ambiguous as to what their preference is. For example, if you have a dude that doesn’t end up with anyone by the end of the story and their sexuality doesn’t really matter to the main plot, then it’s more or less left up to the audience. There are acceptions where it’s blatantly pointed out but those are few and far between, I can only really think of one. I’ve always kinda done stuff this way mostly because romance and relationships are something I tend to avoid in my writing, mostly because I have next to zero romantic knowledge, being the loser I am. I’ve also always just kinda seen it as pointless, at least in the kinds of story’s I write, mostly action adventure and such. Like, just for example, I could say, “oh yeah and the villain is gay by the way.” In 100% of my writing and it would have zero effect on the plot.

@nathanjereb9944

Жыл бұрын

Nice

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

Жыл бұрын

So basically your rule is the same as most people's rule. If the sexual orientation of a person is important, it is mentioned. If not, then not and people can make their own headcannon about it.

@KathrynsTea

10 ай бұрын

I use a similar "ace until proven otherwise", being (under the umbrella of) asexual myself. :)

Turing wasn't out like Wilde, but he was a strong man - he wasn't outed by someone else, a lover threatened to blackmail him, and Turing reported him to the police for that crime. He was a brave man who stood up for himself, even in the face of torture. He was a true icon and hero and just his existence as a proud, successful, likely autistic gay in that time is inspiring to me.

@ejewart1450

2 жыл бұрын

It's interesting, the divide between how different people remember Turing. If you ask anybody of around age 40-45 and above, they will usually say he was the man that broke the Enigma code and saved the war. If you ask anybody in their 30s or under, or any LGBT or neurodiverse people, we will most likely remember him as an autistic-likely gay icon who was brave, intelligent, and was murdered by the system for being different.

@7-11thuniverse

2 жыл бұрын

:)

@jasonreed7522

2 жыл бұрын

@@ejewart1450 I'm 22 and if you say Turing i think computer genius. Then again I'm also an engineer and am indifferent to queer stuff, i just ask you don't change existing characters make good new characters. Like James Bond is a sexy straight British man, he was based on a real person and is a cultural icon. If Hollywood tried to make a black female lesbian "James Bond" it wouldn't work because it isn't the character. On the other hand Uhura, Agent J, Nick Fury and many more are iconic black roles that would be equally disrespectful to cast as white and gender flipped.

@voidify3

2 жыл бұрын

@@ejewart1450 he can be both! The younger generations probably found out most of what they know about him from The Imitation Game I know I did

@ejewart1450

2 жыл бұрын

@@voidify3 sorry, to clarify, he absolutrly was both and SHOULD be proudly remembered as both, I am merely observing that he TENDS to be viewed differently by different demographics

“Even suing the marquess of Queensbury for libel when he accused him of sleeping with his son. Which by all accounts he was.” God, such an icon was never born again

@ImortalZeus13

2 жыл бұрын

I really hope this is irony but I can't tell anymore.

@mikegrapefruit4987

2 жыл бұрын

i had to do a double take on this comment because of reds' wording in the video xP so for anyone else wondering, oscar wilde was in a relationship with the son of the marquess of queensbury and they met when oscar was 37ish and alfred (the son of the marquess) was 21ish so. yeah dont worry everyone lol

@professorpantherhardraad3921

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry the pronoun game is at work here. Who's son was he sleeping with?

@mikegrapefruit4987

2 жыл бұрын

@@professorpantherhardraad3921 he was sleeping with the son of John Sholto Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry (the son in question was Lord Alfred Douglas)

@ratstyle5468

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikegrapefruit4987 oh good i though he was sleeping with his OWN son.

You know Red I'm a year late, but I'mma say it. I think Gaston is in fact beloved. Like sure nobody likes him, he's a villain, but but you don't get as many memes, youtube poops, and cosplayers as Gaston without being loved.

@lenabluejay1166

4 ай бұрын

Agreed! I don't like him as a PERSON, but that's one of the reasons I DO like him as a CHARACTER. The best villains are the ones you love to hate!

as a queer person myself, ive honestly grown to be attached to the queer coded villain trope because of it being 100% of my representation as a child, but i do think its important to note that when i write queer coded villainous characters, i never write them as in the wrong, usually just misunderstood, abused, dismissed, etc, etc, which i also. did in my fanfics and perceptions of the villains i grew up with. i think that's a major difference in how some unapologetic queer villain lovers treat those characters, not as 100% evil, but as redeemable and often mistreated by society itself at large

"queerbating" Ah yes, like how Disney films have had their "first ever LGBT character" about eight times now, and they're always a minor character on screen for five minutes total, and their orientation is only ever acknowledged in external media anyway so it might as well not even be there in the first place. I've also noticed that gay men are underrepresented even in the more openly accepting media, like She-ra and the Owl House. Main character LGBT reps are almost always female (with non-binary but feminine-appearing partners appearing as minor side characters usually), while male reps are relegated to one character's "goofy dads." Adora and Catra, Spinnerella and Netossa, Perfuma and Scorpia, and... Bow's Dads. Side Note: Double Trouble was my favorite character. Amity and Luz, Rayne (nb) and Eda, and... Willow's Dads. Pearl and Rose, Ruby and Sapphire, Sadie and her NB partner... At least Rainbow 2.0 was good, though not necessarily gay, his personality was delightfully campy. SU didn't have any masculine couples that I can recall lol So yeah, while we're getting closer, I'm still noticing a reluctance at certain situations.

@10001vader

2 жыл бұрын

I think you're getting disney and pixar confused. I don't believe pixar has ever claimed to have a LGBT character

@melskunk

2 жыл бұрын

Well, there's more sapphic representation because sapphics wrote those shows, and none of it came easily. I feel that the fact that we see the final result really undercuts how much risk every same sex couple in a show WAS, to the point of cancellations and career threats. Lesbians AREN'T more socially acceptable, in fact both She Ra and TOH were told the fact they had 'gay dads' was acceptable gay rep but they couldn't have the girl protagonists date because that was too risky. Netossa and Spinnerella were considered a risk, let alone Adora and Catra. Steven Universe struggled with being broadcast, and in that and My Little Pony, the tomboy characters were dubbed as 'acceptable' boys in many other language dubs. So yeah, we need more queer couples of ALL types, but putting down the massive efforts to get the few canon same sex couples we do have does no one any favours

@freddiehoy7224

2 жыл бұрын

I would say that I think it depends on what medium you're looking at? 'Kids' TV does tend to have more lesbian couples, but it's quite hard to find books that focus on lesbian couples, and the same goes for TV shows pitched to teenagers and up.

@aptalsandvic5355

2 жыл бұрын

It's not the creators fault, they really have to fight for any representation they can get. We should hold the people who have power over media instead of throwing the creators under the bus. I know that's not what you mean in your comment, i just wanted to say it because some animation fans think the creators have all the power and are doing things to be assholes, wich irks me a little bit. Nothing against you.

@mist1241

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s a bad take to say that lesbians are more accepted in media and then list shows written by wlw. There should be more mlm in media, yes. But it isn’t fair to look down on popular wlw media for that.

I have to be honest the name "lavender wedding" sounds nice when you ignore what it actually means. Like a wedding with a lot of pretty flowers and everyone's dressed in purple.

@fairycat23

2 жыл бұрын

...Now I want a _literal_ lavender wedding.

@nathancarter8239

2 жыл бұрын

Like a Purple Wedding! Outside the Game of Thrones context, it sounds like a lovely affair, with many flowers and soothing colors.

@tomboyjessie1352

2 жыл бұрын

That actually sounds pretty

@erinyes3943

2 жыл бұрын

That would make me sneeze so much but it would be worth it

@trishapellis

2 жыл бұрын

Nowadays, thinking of the word without its context, it honestly sounds like something Gwyneth Palthrow would come up with. Lavender aromatherapy and color therapy and such, during a wedding to bless the couple with calm and prosperity or whatever.

I feel like we've graduated to a new pair of queer characters: the "being queer is my entire identity" and the "Oh yeah, I'm also gay despite leading you on for an entire season that I'm a cis straight guy. Oh, and you know that second guy in the main trio that I have super good chemistry with? Well that isn't going anywhere, and I will never get a romantic story so none of this even matters!" (I might have some pent up feelings about The Hollow)

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

Жыл бұрын

Really, I thought the Hollow was pretty okay with this. I definatly see this push to characters where being gay is their whole personallity or where in the remakes or something they are now gay, bi, trans etc. But I think The Hollow did Adam just happens to be gay great. He just was it, it wasn't a big deal. The only thing I didn't like/understand was how he got kissed and said he was gay. That's pretty weird considering their memories were erased, so how would he know he was gay? Which is a different thing then just not being attracted to a girl.

For asexual characters, I'm remembering that Ken Follet made one of the protagonists of his The Pillars of the Earth (prior Philip) an asexual because he wasn't unsure on how to handle the whole "chastity code" otherwise.

@BJGvideos

Жыл бұрын

...does Follet think that there aren't sexual people who just abstain? That anybody who experiences sexual attraction would inherently have a need to fulfill it?

@podemosurss8316

Жыл бұрын

@@BJGvideos He thinks so, but he didn't know how to write those characters.

People are going to sympathize with a character who can confidently be who they are, gay or not, almost regardless of what their other character traits are. So if you make all of your villains gay, people aren't going to not sympathize with your gay characters because they're villains, they're going to sympathize with your villains because they're gay. Which, ironically, is the exact opposite of what the Hayes Code was trying to accomplish.

@hanschristopherson8056

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@yordlejay6820

2 жыл бұрын

The key to writing a good villain is to give them CONFIDENCE, villains shouldn't doubt who they are, they know who they are, damn anyone who says otherwise.

@laisphinto6372

2 жыл бұрын

Gay isn't really the factor people like them it is because they are confident and really absolutely love being evil. Take for example sheev palpatine who loves every damn second of being evil and only cares about himself and tools he can use

@ajohnymous5699

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I'm a straight guy but have always admired how these villains didn't take shit usually. Maleficent was slighted, Ursala was banished instead of utilized, Scar was mistreated, and the ones that didn't have anything happen to them still made some sense like Shan-yu. Shan-yu is often accused of not being well characterized or deep but looking at the fact he is the leader of a Hun horde and stated the wall was "a challenge to his strength" and his response was "well, I'm going to play his little game" kind of indicates that China itself might have been somewhat hostile or at the very least the created an obstacle for his people keeping them from resources they needed. His followers were expert trackers, capable of detecting horse hair and black pine needles to deduce an Imperial army was up at this mountain pass. Shan-yu was a conqueror likely by necessity. Most men would fuck off after losing their army, so he likely kept going because he needed to come back to the families of his horde with something to show for the losses and maybe even unite the tribes to the North/maintain it. He may not have been gay, wasn't QCoded but he certainly respected Mulan regardless of her sex when her own nation didn't do that. She wasn't "some girl" she was "the soldier from the Mountains." If he was a bigot, he would have been furious about losing to a woman. Instead, he was only furious about losing. He even cast Shang aside when he initially blamed him for his loss, but went for Mulan because he knew she was the one who bested him, not the men. And hes bland compared to the QC villains who were fun, had power and felt free.

@TheWizel

2 жыл бұрын

@@ajohnymous5699 I don't see any queercoding in Shan-Yu, not enough screen time outside fights. Also the big difference is Mongols (who the huns really are in the film) were far more progressive than China. Ancient China probably ranks near the top for the horrible treatment of women, few civilizations have ever taken female mutilation to the same level as foot binding. Mongols, in contrast, as a more nomadic group women held much higher station (males were too busy herding horses or fighting to administer the day to day so women gained more influence), and as such a skilled warrior women like Mulan is totally within Shan Yus expectation while a woman of high birth like Mulan that knows more than being polite and cranking out children (Prostitutes are where men were supposed to find intellectual/cultural stimulation) as a shame.

"I just need them to not be terrible around me." I feel this on such a fundamental level.

7:05 "...broadly heralded the beginning of the transition to where we are now - queer identities being publicly acknowledged and celebrated has become the mainstream attitude, while bigotry is considered the embarrassing unfortunate reality best swept under the rug." While things have certainly gotten better (by quite a margin, which im happy for) sadly we're far from bigotry being the hush-hush shame that this implies. Between Terf Island spitting out new hate every day, comedians just saying bigoted shit and pretending that it's a joke so it isn't allowed to be criticized, and all of the legal battles queer people are fighting for their basic rights beyond "here's your paper that says youre married now that gives few to none of the rights that straight marriage does"it's still a very much prevalent uphill battle that bigots are losing, but definitely not losing quietly or ashamedly.

I'm not sure how I feel about the concept of "queerbaiting." I'm queer myself, so I understand the frustration with a lack of representation at times, but at the same time, I feel like it's never a writer's job to change their story based off an audience's initial reading of the story. Like, if you see characters who were meant to just be close friends as gay, that's great, and if it makes you like them and their relationship more, more power to you, but it's not the creator's job to change their story to make it officially canon. Idk, I'm just scared because my official position is always "the only officially canon things are the actions you see, you, the audience, get the fun of deciding why they took those actions" and I don't want to be slammed for queerbaiting because I had close friends kiss on the cheek or something, but I never made them officially gay. Idk.

@simavolodina

2 жыл бұрын

its less about "creator didnt make them gay despite a lot of people reading them as such" and more about "creator purposefully marketed these characters towards a queer audience as if they might be canonically queer in order to get views but didnt follow through because they didnt want the characters to actually be queer"

@BJGvideos

Жыл бұрын

Same. I don't get how like 99% of what gets called queerbaiting is any different from a shiptease. Especially when there are other queer characters in the finished product

@metaxu3305

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, queerbaiting just make it easy to headcannon. Authors have to make money and the fact is, true gay rep would drive away part of the audience. Plus, queer baiting is the only reasonable way we can have a queer protagonist in a relatively mainstream stuff.

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

Жыл бұрын

The bad thing about this, is that people have watered down the term "queer-baiting". To the point they want to push their ship instead of it actually being queer-baiting. Many people of that community call friends or the sort queer-baiting, when that was never the intention of the characters or writers. Like how those people started sending death threats to the author of My Hero Academia (a manga) about how he was queer-baiting deku & Bakugo or Bakugo & Kirisima (don't know if I got the names right). It was never the intention. These people look at friendships and want to make them gay. And if you look at a friendship and want them to be gay/imagine them to be. That is fine. Just not force it, push for it, threathen the artist etc. that is going to far.

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

Жыл бұрын

@@metaxu3305 I would say not true. Backlash often results, because modern media in the west make being gay the personallity of the protagonist They don't seperate those things, where the protaganist has a personallity and also happens to be gay. It's the difference between someone like Adam from The Hollow being widely recieved with pretty much no backlash in a popular show or the backlash that the (now) Bi son of Superman got in that short comic book serie/issue, that made it a financial death sentence.

"This is less of a behavioral queer stereotype and more tied into the actual queer experience of feeling fundamentally separated from the concept of a fairy-tale love story happy ending." ... BIG oof.

@InventorZahran

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe we all need to start writing more fairy tales centered around non-straight love stories?

@katiehanna90

2 жыл бұрын

@@InventorZahran That would definitely help!

@NotAGoodUsername360

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, statistics don't lie- that fairy tale ending is rare enough with straight couples to begin with, so...

@everlastingdragon4520

2 жыл бұрын

@@InventorZahran As long as it includes any character (good guys included; you can just go "fairy tale BS" to bring them back, like in "The Two Brothers" where one of the main characters dies TWICE IN A ROW) dying in some way and/or something horrific happening to anyone at all (Ex: villain dies by being thrown into a barrel full of nails and drowning). The original fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm were pretty dark.

@InventorZahran

2 жыл бұрын

@@fatimazafar4200 If anything, there are more than enough stories that contain romance; it's probably more difficult to find one that doesn't. Ultimately, write whatever resonates most strongly with you. As readers, we can tell when an author is being true to themselves, and it makes the written work much better!

I'll be honest, the kid just smooshing a knockout and starscream toy together had me laugh my ass off, well done Red

@Fivzk

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, what? Where? I just watched the video again after seeing this comment and not remembering it but I did not see it anywhere

@Toastman30K

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fivzk Around 10:15, they're looking at the TV going "I dont get it"

@Toastman30K

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fivzk Around 10:15, they're looking at the TV going "I dont get it"

@Fivzk

2 жыл бұрын

@@Toastman30K oh so that’s what’s happening with the kid. I’ll remind myself next time to watch the video with glasses and in full screen lol, I was expecting a clear footage from a show or something, thanks Edit: typo

I like dramatic, flamboyant and glamorous villains. They’re much more fun than just some mean dude with anger issues.

@JaelinBezel

2 жыл бұрын

Atrocitus would like to know your location

@doubleoof7907

9 ай бұрын

Fair enough but sometimes the mean dude with anger issues has REALLY cool armor and weapons

@Dolphinboi

3 ай бұрын

why do you assume that male characters are gay if they are flamboyant? Gay doesn’t equal flamboyant

@galaxymoon8071

3 ай бұрын

@@Dolphinboi I don’t? I’m not sure where you got that from

I often forget that I'm actually bi and that makes me a part of "queer". I have no idea why but it always takes me a second to remember that applies to me.

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

I forget that, too--until I meet a handsome Englishman in a tuxedo and dreadlocks! Normally, I like kinky Wicca Goth chicks!

@sunnyscript1224

2 жыл бұрын

Blame da _bi_ rasure

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

I forget I'm bi, too--until I make out with a dude, lol!

@dj_koen1265

Жыл бұрын

Im not bi But where do you find those kinky wicca goth chicks you speak off I need to know

it's so rare that anyone even mentions asexuality or aromanticism when talking about queerbaiting and queer coding. I wish someone would go more in-depth about the lack of mainstream acearo representation...

@harryzheng1165

2 жыл бұрын

Umm, Luffy?

@zeph769

2 жыл бұрын

​@@harryzheng1165 Oda said in an interview that while it's not in his focus right now, he is interested to a degree. He's by no means confirmed ace. That's his brother.

@someidiotfromover7yearsago

2 жыл бұрын

Well, iirc Red actually is Ace So while Im happy for the rep, Im not confident we're getting recognized elsewhere just yet

@harryzheng1165

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeph769 Huh, are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure Luffy's occasional bad behavior is only due to Usopp's negative influence. And besides Luffy, I think Saiki K is also aroace.

@legateelizabeth

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because it wouldn't come up except as rejection (which isn't positive confirmation) without being crowbar'd in to the point of feeling contrived. If you have no interest in relationships of the physical or romantic kind, that probably wouldn't come up much, not least because your character wouldn't be involved in stories centring on those things. With a gay or bi character just having them *be in* that relationship, you can't rely display that with an aroace character. You can have them reject advances, but not ever confirm them as such without them literally just saying it - which would serve no purpose to the story or the character and, to me at least, would feel more token than anything else. I GUESS you could have like an "Aphrodite holds no power over me!" type moment of being immune to some kind of attraction-based mind control, throwing off a Siren or something if that's the sort of thing in your story? That's basically the only application where "they're just single and not interested" isn't sufficient to explain the characters actions.

Animated Maleficent is way superior to live action Maleficent. Cursing a baby to die because you weren’t invited to a christening is an iconic level of pettiness.

@devindaniels1634

2 жыл бұрын

Yeaahh, Maleficent was one villain that really should have stayed pure villain.

@emblemblade9245

2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile Hades got invited and still tried to kill the baby!

@Xalerdane

2 жыл бұрын

When you’re an evil fairy, you don’t have to justify yourself to anybody!

Yeesh the queerbaiting one really resonated with me- When I was younger there was I book I was reading that I complained to a straight friend of mine totally pulled some queerbaity-bs only to kill the girl the main (also a woman) was hinted to be crushing on and having the main falling for a guy later. I couldn’t really explain why I felt it was queerbaiting at the time because I had literally only just discovered the word “gay” even existed like a year prior and went “oh shit that’s me,” but I just knew it was wrong and I felt really cheated out of an adorable little lesbian relationship amidst the beginnings of a fantasy magical war. My straight friend, no matter what I said, just couldn’t get it lmfao- despite the main literally saying shit like “I cared for her in a way she could never care for me.” Made me think I was going nuts, ngl.

The only thing that queer coded villains did for me was making me fall in love with every hot villain I see on screen

@lucuslovesyou2961

11 ай бұрын

Ligit same

@doubleoof7907

9 ай бұрын

My moral compass leaves my body every time the villain is hot

“In the final scene of the movie, one of the musicians exasperatedly reveals to his smitten would-be-suitor that he’s a guy, in which the man replies “Well, nobody’s perfect.” I need to watch this movie ASAP XD

@kirstenpaff8946

2 жыл бұрын

It's a pretty funny movie, though fair warning, they objectify the hell out of Marylin Monroe in it.

@pumpkin2986

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirstenpaff8946 duly noted. Thanks

@jumpingspiderjesusfreak6219

2 жыл бұрын

Watched it for a film class. Hilarious.

@nathancarter8239

2 жыл бұрын

There's also a *FABULOUS* Cary Grant impersonation by one of the leads.

@impish_snake3526

2 жыл бұрын

Pan icon. PAN ICON!

Whenever queer baiting gets mentioned I always remember the recent Voltron series, and how they actively marketed their “gay character and his partner” for one of their seasons which ended up being a random guy in the background of one episode that the main character had 1-2 scenes with. They also killed off this love interest very quickly as to never have him be apart of the series moving forward.

@boobailey4509

2 жыл бұрын

As soon as she started that part I was like “you can just say voltron it’s ok”. Also queerbaiting with klance the literal entire show

@nibaa1213

2 жыл бұрын

@@boobailey4509 exactly !! it makes me so mad, klance could've been so good.

@galaxymoon8071

2 жыл бұрын

@@boobailey4509 Klance was never queerbaited….

One of my absolute favorite queer-coded villains is Dr. Pretorius from "Bride of Frankenstein". He's a scientist with a god complex who wants to create a female creature to be the mate of Frankenstein's creation simply because he can. And he's fucking AMAZING. This is a guy who will get cackling-his-ass-off wasted while having a midnight picnic in a crypt surrounded by skulls and when Frankenstein's Creature stumbles onto the scene, he'll greet him with, "Oh. I thought I was alone. Good evening!"

@emblemblade9245

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like a very fun, very extra dude to hang around with

Asexcual people get representation from robots, villans, and worst of all, Sheldon.

@doubleoof7907

Жыл бұрын

Bozinga

@ironicdivinemandatestan4262

Жыл бұрын

Brasília

@PeoplesRepublicNewSilesia

8 ай бұрын

Distrito federal

"A hero is a hero, but everyone loves a good villain." -Ferb.

@theflickchick9850

2 жыл бұрын

YES

@kittykittybangbang9367

2 жыл бұрын

What episode was that?

@ranibowsprimkle1905

2 жыл бұрын

@@kittykittybangbang9367 I don't remember what it's called but it was the episode where they made their own movie and casted Candace as the villain (against her will, of course)

Part of the reason I love Studio Ghibli films is that the love between two characters is much more platonic than romantic or physical, and the villains don't need an implied "it's purely physical" moral stance/inherent queer coding to stand in opposition to the protagonists

@migzrub7114

2 жыл бұрын

I was really conflicted watching Princess Mononoke as a kid because the lady of Iron Town was supposed to be a "bad guy" but I couldn't help feeling sympathetic for both her and the protagonists.

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

@@migzrub7114 I wouldn't exactly call her the villain of the story, that was more the monk, and the conflict in general. I mean, I don't like her, because in my view she's far too ruthless and power hungry. But she wasn't really the main antagonist. Ghibli films often feature antagonists who oppose the main characters in some way but aren't really the villain of the story, more of a secondary character who happens not to get along with the protagonists and is perhaps a bit lacking in the morals department. (Curtis, The Army in Castle in The Sky, The Witch of the Wastes).

@kamikazelemming1552

2 жыл бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 I think we can all agree though that Musca, from Castle in the Sky, was most definitely a villain. His whole goal was to use the Castle's technology to conquer the world.

@migzrub7114

2 жыл бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 I see that now but when I was a kid I was conditioned to see her as the "bad guy" because she wasn't on board with the protagonists plus it was my first Ghibli movie so I wasnt used to complex characters with their own goals and motivations.

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamikazelemming1552 Musca was the villain. But the Army wasn't really in alignment with Musca. He was just using them to get to Laputa, and never told them about the superweapon or his intentions with it. He then immediately turned on them, further showing that they were never on the same side. All they wanted to do was plunder all the treasure up there, which is exactly the same thing Dola and her gang wanted to do. I wouldn't classify them as any more villainous than the pirates really, they just got pulled into Musca's scheme by their greed.

I write comics and I never rerally thought about queer characters. I have some characters that I want to pair up, but for the most part I prefer to develop the personalities of the characters and let them do what they would naturally and logically doing. That's how I realized that two same sex characters in one of my stories, since they spent a lot of time together, sharing experiences and battles, were really fond of each other and had no interest in the opposite sex. After I realized that, I put in some more scene where their relationship was more explicit and I wrote my first queer characters. After that I put a bit more thought on it, and, even thought they're in the minority since I'm a boring cis white male and I don't want to misrepresent too much, but I started to put a lot more diversity in my cast. Queer because of their traits, not imposed traits because they're queer. That's how I'm trying to manage it :)

@hanpines3808

2 жыл бұрын

It's always great to see characters who are fully realized and just also happen to be a minority. That's really the way it should be done.

@hanpines3808

2 жыл бұрын

@Rocco Bontemps yoo I love him

One of my first thoughts was that dio from jojo’s was one of the more modern QC villains, then I remembered it’s jojo, everything but the fucking ground the characters walk on is queer coded

@doubleoof7907

Жыл бұрын

Bro the fucking sky is queercoded, just look at Part 4

@bigman1163

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I mean Joseph literally suggested in part 2 that he thinks Jonathan and Speedwagon were possibly "more than just best friends" lmao. Not to mention... yknow... Dragona...

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Disney’s Robin Hood. Prince John was a Queer-Coded Villain in the film. This is a stark contrast with the real life Prince John. While Prince John is often depicted as a villain in various Robin Hood stories (due to his ineptitude as a military leader and the tax increases he created to support Richards crusade) he wasn’t gay in life. In fact, he had two wives in his life (the second wife he had 5 kids with) and is rumored to have been a ladies man. In contrast, King Richard is often speculated to have been a gay man or bisexual, as he had a relationship with King Philip II. This is even shown through their animals and voices. Both John and Richard are lions, though John has no mane. If a male lion doesn’t have a mane, it means that they were neutered and can’t produce testosterone. Richard has an impressive mane indicating he has testosterone and wasn’t neutered. Even their voices give this away. John has a very effeminate voice while Richard has a deeper and more masculine voice. They actually reversed the sexualities of two historical figures for the film.

@emblemblade9245

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting

@paulchapman8023

2 жыл бұрын

I think the Robin Hood story in general has given King Richard and Prince John “Historical Hero/Villain Upgrades” respectively. By all accounts the real-life Richard was much more interested in going off to fight the Crusades than actually ruling England (and wasn’t a very good king anyway), and Prince (later King) John’s problems with ruling England mostly stemmed from his mother bankrupting England to bail Richard out after the Archduke of Austria captured him.

@AegixDrakan

2 жыл бұрын

Now THIS is some REALLY interesting stuff. :o

@Daughterofminerva

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know the meaning of having a mane or not in lions, very interesting. I just disagree with Richard being gay. It was a belief which rose in the 60s because the historians misunderstood a paragraph in a chronicle reporting that Richard and Philip were so close that they ate from the same plate and slept together in the same bed. Actually they had just made an alliance against Richard's father and in the Middle Age a public act to show off the fact that you totally trusted your ally was sleeping in the same bed. Just to make an example, Edward IV, probably the most womanizer king of the English Middle Age, did the same thing after he had made a political alliance with a noble whose name I cannot remember. Also, Richard had an illegitimate son he recognized as his own.

@conormurphy4328

2 жыл бұрын

Or one character is designed as small and weak and the other and strong and large to represent their personalities and not their sexualities.

I really love trope talk. In a completely pure, natural and socially accepted manner; which in no way compromises the economic viability of my endeavours and is left ambiguous if faced with any risk of controversy.

@emblemblade9245

2 жыл бұрын

Blasphemy! Indecency! Shame on you!

The Christmas classic, "It's a Wonderful Life" actually caused some drama because the villain (Mr. Potter) steals money to kick off the plot and in the end he does not explicitly die/repent/go to jail for it. It is kind of just forgotten about by the movie in the end.

@coolgreenbug7551

Жыл бұрын

It also got into trouble because the villain was an old rich guy which of course meant is was secret communist propaganda

@BLZ231

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, it did always kind of bug me that Mr. Potter got away with it.

As Blue recently said, "There are queer-coded villains, and then there are villain-coded- nope."

You know what my favorite trope is?a villain with a love interest. but not a love interest that redeems them. No I want a love interest that is their partner in crime and adding a whole bunch of gay just makes it even better.

@skycastrum5803

2 жыл бұрын

Gay Bonnie and Clyde.

@Enndorii

2 жыл бұрын

Sylas and Delilah Briarwood from The Legend of Vox Machina are a couple like this, they’re so delightfully evil and in love with each other it’s ridiculous

@blackseraph5939

2 жыл бұрын

Harley and Ivy

@Malicious_Spectrum

Жыл бұрын

Lord Boxman and Professor Venomous from Ok Ko. I think it was implied in the finale.

@the_senate8050

Жыл бұрын

100% On board with "Be gay do crimes!" pairings.

Red: Ok, today we’ll be talking about queer coded villians- **mickie mouse crawling out off the sewer:* Ya called?

@barondubose9260

2 жыл бұрын

I knew the mouse was fruity😳

@howunexpected5584

2 жыл бұрын

@@barondubose9260 PFFFT THAT WASNT WHAT I WAS GOING FOR BUT I LOVE IT

@NotMorax

2 жыл бұрын

@@barondubose9260 oh my god, that somehow makes sense

@marocat4749

2 жыл бұрын

Nooo not the erasure noo

I love the vibe of that Sherlock "Queerbaiting" article and it's 5 goddamn references to the first image

As always, this video was lovely. I especially enjoyed the oblique reference at 2:42 to Alan L. Hart, an influential doctor who both revolutionized tuberculosis detection and was one of the first people in the US to undergo gender-affirming surgery. Keep up the great work, Red!

I remember watching Sailor Moon and being incredibly moved by Zoisite's death scene. He and Kunzite were together in the anime and you could see how deeply in love with each other they were even though these guys were evil. Zoisite even asked Kunzite to give him a beautiful death, with Kunzite creating a world of flowers to be with him as he died. I think this example struck with me because the queer romance aspect made these two otherwise kind of generically evil dudes into tragic figures, especially since Kunzite would later die trying to avenge his boyfriend.

@ravenfrancis1476

2 жыл бұрын

So...not only does it give us two villainous gay men but it killed both of them off? Man, why'd you have to ruin Sailor Moon for me..

@kingofthegundam7974

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ravenfrancis1476 To be fair, they also died in the manga and weren't in a relationship like in the anime. Anime!Kunzite and Zoisite were more fleshed out, their relationship being entirely genuine. Later on Sailor Neptune and Uranus show up and they're also a couple.

@AznOmega

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingofthegundam7974 or if you're watching the Cloverway dub, they censored Neptune and Uranus's relationship by making them cousins. Yeah, that's so much better than having a lesbian couple. /s

@natesmodelsdoodles5403

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravenfrancis1476 There were other queer characters, but those two are especially notable for going with the "Tragic Ending" route. Also, it was the 90's. In Japan.

@ravenfrancis1476

2 жыл бұрын

@@natesmodelsdoodles5403 Don't care, its still bad.

To be fair to Maleficent, how are you gonna give somebody a "true love's kiss" if youve never seen them awake? Thats a "true horny's kiss" at best. Love doesnt happen at first sight, thats called horny. Love comes when you actually know someone.

@IrvineTheHunter

2 жыл бұрын

It's better than the original story where she wakes up after getting knocked up.

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

Now I want a version of sleeping beauty where the prince is about to kiss her, then Cheems just appears out of nowhere and sends him to horny jail, and it's the sound of him getting bonked that wakes her up.

@kittycheshire5099

2 жыл бұрын

At least Aurora and Phillip had a scene together. In the fairytale, she's been asleep for a hundred years, and is woken up by a complete stranger.

@psychronia

2 жыл бұрын

@@kittycheshire5099 I believe the original has her assaulted in her sleep, get pregnant, then the baby sucks the needle out of her finger when it's born. A rare time to appreciate Disney making it family friendly.

@kittycheshire5099

2 жыл бұрын

@@psychronia That is a version of the story, but the sleeping princess is a common fairytale trope, and as such there is no exact original.

My favourite queer-coded villain is probably DIO Brando from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. He has such flamboyant energy and he is in an implied relationship with a guy and he is definitely one of the best written villains in anime

@Bizzyb33z

2 жыл бұрын

Such an icon. Araki even confirmed DIO was bi

@CrazyRiverOtter

2 жыл бұрын

At what point does a character go from queer-coded to just queer? I don't buy for a minute that his thing with Pucci is platonic. >:D

@NoobSebot

2 жыл бұрын

Dio and Pucci were never in a relationship. The only relationship he has that's fairly homosexual was vanilla ice or abusing advol

@Bizzyb33z

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoobSebot it’s all in the sub text my guy

@NoobSebot

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bizzyb33z Nah thats bs. Even Dio said outright that Pucci was his comrade. Never once in sub text did they ever mention a homosexual relationship stop capping.

6:35 ah, I remember my grandmother showing this movie, it was so good, especially the ending)