Red: “if you kill off the hero what are you gonna do next season? Try and sell us on some other protagonist?” Jojo: *sweating*

@Tustin2121

3 жыл бұрын

Avatar Series: *[sweating]* Life is Strange series: “Wait, is that supposed to be a problem?”

@liberalaco829

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball is the opposite

@ScooterBond1970

3 жыл бұрын

Batwoman: "Hold my wig."

@DeathnoteBB

3 жыл бұрын

Doctor Who: Yes but actually no

@Bluecho4

3 жыл бұрын

Jojo is probably one of the only series that ever got away with this. And that's, I think, because it established really early on that the protagonist wasn't sacred, and could be replaced. It created a very solid Hero's Journey, wrapped it up, and ended that story with the original Jojo's death. From there, it stuck with that formula, ironically minus the protagonist killing part. (Except with Stone Ocean, where all bets were officially off; it was also, personally, the part with the weakest resolution). The series as a whole was less one character's story, and more of a dynastic tale. A "Jojo Cycle", if you will. Every other Shonen series hewed very close to the idea that the specific protagonist introduced at the start of the story was the main character of the whole thing. Meaning they marry themselves to that protagonist, and need to keep dragging them back in. Even when the character has become so powerful that escalation starts to lose all meaning. Or when you get the impression that the writer finds their protagonist the least interesting character to write about in an ensemble cast.

Zuko: if we're found in the earth kingdom, we'll be killed Iroh: and if we're found in the fire nation, we'll be turned over to alzula Zuko: earth kingdom it is

@vaughnjohnson8767

3 жыл бұрын

Yeet

@bigboynow7936

3 жыл бұрын

Heh yeeeeeaaahh she craaaaaazzy

@master0fthearts894

3 жыл бұрын

No fate could be worse than that. *Realizes that someone could watch Mario and Sonic making out for the rest of their lives* Wait a minu-

@troperhghar9898

3 жыл бұрын

@@master0fthearts894 you ever watch little Nicky "Well maybe not that horrible but still pretty bad"

@gamergod98l86

3 жыл бұрын

@@master0fthearts894 hot

“If you kill off the hero what will you do for the next season? Try and sell us on a new protagonist?” JoJo: Yes.

@levistinefeld1809

2 жыл бұрын

There's no way that can work 8 times can it? Jojo: Try me.

@estefanolivares4159

2 жыл бұрын

You thought you were getting a new villain, but it was me Dio

@SnaiIer

2 жыл бұрын

*What you're seeing is indeed the truth. You are seeing the movements created by your abilities, but you will never arrive at the truth that's going to happen. None who stand before me shall ever get there, regardless of their abilities. This is the power of Gold Experience Requiem.*

@Attaxalotl

2 жыл бұрын

And it keeps working.

@Ranjithpullukattu

2 жыл бұрын

diavolo

Side note: "I have no mouth and I must scream" is probably THE most terrifying sentence conjured into existence.

@benjamincooper358

Жыл бұрын

It's almost kind of inspirational in context See in the story the way that the protagonist, who got slugged, killed and freed his friend was using the only weapon he could get; icicles which were obtained when one of the others tried to chew off one of his friend's faces from madness. It was that person's screams that loosened the icicles and allowed them to die. He has no mouth and he must scream. He needs to do the same; to free himself. Despite everything he still has determination and he's going to make it.

@wolfninja11111

9 ай бұрын

​@@benjamincooper358because all he can do is be hopeful for he has nothing else except agony

@louisaquino7565

7 ай бұрын

If he could even say it that is

@emilyreames7748

3 ай бұрын

@@benjamincooper358 "slug" as a verb: also terrifying.

@sarahthomas8670

2 ай бұрын

Gives me shivers

"You can't kill me, genies can't kill anyone!" "True, but you'd be surprised what you can live through..." - Aladdin: Return of Jafar

@HaganConnell

3 жыл бұрын

holy shit, a disney executive approved that line

@kimarous

3 жыл бұрын

Earlier in the film, Jafar's intended worse-than-death fate for Aladdin was framing him for assassination and having him condemned to death by "Jasmine" (actually Jafar in disguise) so he doesn't JUST die, he dies in emotional distress. Only a last-second save from the just-freed Genie prevented that plan from succeeding.

@ruairiblake

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimarous and don't forget, the premise of the film is exploring the ramifications of Jafar's own worse than death punishment at the end of the first movie and it ends with Jafar's actual death. Like Red said, dying with extra steps!

@toongrowner1

3 жыл бұрын

I was actually about to comment that. XD One of my favourite disney quotes

@gregcourtney7717

3 жыл бұрын

@@toongrowner1 yeah how many Disney villains die just off screen with maybe some hints toward that. Scar for sure. There's no way the hyenas left him alive but, if I recall, the shot cuts away right before they dig in. I don't know if it was still canon but isn't Zira from Lion King 2 specifically Scar's WilIDOW.

The irony of a fate worse than death being used as the “moral” alternative to killing is so funny

@nerdherder9340

3 жыл бұрын

So many of the no lethal endings for Dishonored are....rough

@mdg245

3 жыл бұрын

@@jen.kj7 Oh I'm think about in JJBA where they put a man in a rock forever, fully conscience and specifically point out they are being better than the guy because they aren't killing him lol (he was a POS though)

@defensivekobra3873

3 жыл бұрын

Naughty babies get put in *the twelth plane of torment* to attone for their sins

@sayerglasgow115

3 жыл бұрын

@@mdg245 I can't say I feel a whole lot of pity for Angelo getting rock'ed, but yea, to say that's more moral than killing him is silly.

@Aurora-313

3 жыл бұрын

This is why I love playing Paragon Shepard in Mass Effect a lot of the time, because he doesn't kill people, he just forces them to suffer in penance, which is arguably more satisfying. :)

People say Osai should've died, but the ego bruising of having to live with the knowledge that a 12-year-old and only surviving member of a culture he genocided took all of his power away is honestly more satisfying. Death spares Osai from being humiliated; dying at the climax means he won't be around to experience his downfall.

@orsolyafekete7485

Жыл бұрын

On the flip side, this is why I'm kinda annoyed with redemption equals death. Honey, you don't get to just peace out to the afterlife instead of helping to fix the stuff you did. Spoilers for She-Ra: although it's not framed that way directly in-story, it's quite clear that part of the intention with Catra surviving is that she gets to finally take responsibility for herself once in her life. Especially compared To Shadow Weaver, who carefully made sure that she dies doing the one arguably good thing she did in her entire life (and bragging about it while doing it), even more cementing her as The Worst(tm)

@battlesheep2552

Жыл бұрын

It was also pretty cathartic seeing how pathetic he was

@reddytoplay9188

Жыл бұрын

Yes but he was just so strong that if Aang didn't get last minute turtle power then Osai could just break out of prison even if he was beaten within an inch of his life. Killing the villain is more about protecting the innocent at times cause Joker surely isn't stopping blowing up hospitals in the future just cause B man beat him.

@TuesdaysArt

Жыл бұрын

@@reddytoplay9188 Counterpoint: Aang controls all four elements. Osai can only bend fire. Water puts out fire. Boo hoo for Osai.

@reddytoplay9188

Жыл бұрын

@Tuesday's Art Counterpoint: Never stopped the firebenders from beating the waterbenders.

I like the idea of someone on a big team experiencing a horrific permanent fate worse than death, but can still help the team in some way. “You’ll be co-working in security wit-“ “What on earth is THAT!?” “Hey, that’s Shelly, she got turned into a sentient mass of goo, so we’ve stuck her in surveillance to monitor the place” “Is she… alright with that?” “Well, we stuck fridge magnets to her which she can move to communicate and she seems okay with it, generally speaking. Her favourite food is animal crackers and she enjoys trying to fit into different test tubes, Have fun!

@zackv4850

Жыл бұрын

That is simultaneously uplifting and horrific.

@anitanielsen1061

Жыл бұрын

69 nice

@specifictargetaudience

Жыл бұрын

I love Shelly already. Can someone please write this story?

@kohinattosru8587

Жыл бұрын

I love this idea

@nintendex9288

Жыл бұрын

Is no one gonna mention Mechamaru from Jujutsu Kaisen?

This time on Trope Talk: Fate worse than Death Last time: Magnificent Bastards Last last time: Tragedy Last last last time: Greatest Fears Ummm are you okay Red? *Edit: Ummm are you okay Patreons who requested these?

@ellendavis9272

3 жыл бұрын

It’s the pandemmy it’s getting to the best of us😭😁

@multiplayergamer5728

3 жыл бұрын

YEEET

@mr.freezie8560

3 жыл бұрын

Haha lol thats true

@pn2294

3 жыл бұрын

It’s been a tiring year.

@Magus_Union

3 жыл бұрын

Probably not. And most of these video weren't exactly her best work. Something tells me the sleep deprivation is taking its toll.

"Kars never returned to the Earth. He became half-mineral, half-animal and drifted forever through space. And though he wished for death, he was unable to die. So eventually, Kars stopped thinking."

@multiplayergamer5728

3 жыл бұрын

YEEET

@dysfunctionalcaterpillar790

3 жыл бұрын

Something something Diavolo something

@minera7595

3 жыл бұрын

truly the fate worse than death

@linusmota9712

3 жыл бұрын

@@dysfunctionalcaterpillar790 Valentine being yeeted across the multiverse by the infinite spin

@Madman6884

3 жыл бұрын

That guy Josuke fused with a rock.

At one point, my step dad was watching Yu-Gi-Oh and 7 year old me happened to be on the couch and just started watching it without saying anything. Then my parents realized that they could now say they'd send me to the shadow realm to get me to behave

@MistressFearless

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂💀💀

@MVAS-mp9oo

Жыл бұрын

Sure, but you won't do it in easily *unloads deck box

@Hudishavtsye

Жыл бұрын

@@MVAS-mp9oo what if your parents are running hands traps, link monsters and all that shit

@Zer0billion

Жыл бұрын

Looks like your going to shadow realm Jimbo

@FedoraKirb

Жыл бұрын

@@Zer0billion Oh, it’s just down the street, next to the Chik-fil-a :)

The absolutely safe capsule from Mother 3 is the most interesting version of this I've ever seen. Porky traps himself inside a capsule that is, for all intents and purposes, absolutely safe; nothing you do can even scratch it. The catch? It's absolutely safe both ways. Nothing can get in, and nothing can get out. All Porky can do is watch the universe turn until the end of time.

@SoIstice

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely deserving after he inflicted a Darth Vader style fate worse than death on Klaus. The best part is that it was entirely on him. It's not even something he caused someone else to do to him, he did it entirely and completely himself.

@Alex_7899

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't he just starve eventually? Or drown in his own piss?

@MrShadic140

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex_7899 from what i know, he is mounted on a life support stiyle machine that garantees his life will continue, inside the safe capsule, which keeps him essentially feed and hydrated, unless the machine is broken or dagamed to a irreparable end. so being as hes connected to an inmortality machine, inside of a perfectly safe "room", where nothing can break the machine, not even himself, means he will live on until the universe ends, and only he exists, inside his pod.

@a.arrondel6379

2 жыл бұрын

the thing is that maybe he's finally content inside it, since all he wanted was to be all alone in the world

@SoIstice

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex_7899 Nope. Man is basically immortal on his own, having existed before the recorded history in Mother 3, and the Absolutely Safe Capsule is completely and absolutely safe. No starving, no drowning, nothing can harm him, external or internal. The specifics obviously aren't completely described, but the writer intended that fate for him so trying to logic it really does nothing.

Essentially... Writer: *slaps character*, this one can fit so much suffering-

@aecholapis

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why and I don't know how, but I can _feel_ this comment

@facelessfigure7985

3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@sailthemarigold_7864

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Yes. This is amazingly correct.

@Mothman_In_a_T-Pose

3 жыл бұрын

I feel personally attacked.

@mirjanbouma

3 жыл бұрын

I have rarely laid eyes on a summary this accurate.

Would Ozai losing his firebending and being replaced as Fire Lord by Zuko, thus watching Zuko undo the past 100 years of Fire Nation imperialism be a fate worse than death for him? I think it would, personally

@sayerglasgow115

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Ozai was a huge narcissist, and he had his inflated ego obliterated in the finale. Living as someone powerless while watching everything he'd done be undone would definitely be worse than death for him.

@firestorm165

3 жыл бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 think they could rub salt into the wounds by informing him before the exile that they were going to write him out of the history books?

@Boss_Isaac

3 жыл бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 For _him,_ yes, but the reality facing Zuko and the rest of the world is that by leaving Ozai alive you run the risk of loyalists dissatisfied with Zuko's attempts at reform (because Muh Imperialism) resolving to, you know, kill him and reinstate Ozai. For Prince Zuko to secure his reign as Fire Lord and be able to reform the Fire Nation to try and initiate a lasting peace, Ozai would have to have been killed.

@gatsynogim

3 жыл бұрын

@@Boss_Isaac spoiler: that's.... Exactly what happened in The Search comic trilogy.

@Boss_Isaac

3 жыл бұрын

@@gatsynogim Exactly, and those events are evident of just how short-sighted Aang (and by extension Bryke) was in his deciding to leave Ozai alive. Why Bryke couldn't depict the four nations coming together to form an international tribunal that has Ozai placed on trial and reasonably slated for execution? I don't know.

Side note: when I was growing up the term “a fate worse than death” was coding for rape because there was a cultural taboo against ever acknowledging it out loud.

@yin-sin

Жыл бұрын

Oh god

@TheHutchy01

Жыл бұрын

That's where the term comes from.

@agentblackbird9435

Жыл бұрын

To be honest it could be argued that it is. It scars people for life and gives them PTSD

@DDlambchop43

Жыл бұрын

not doubting your memory and I'm sure I'm wrong, but I grew up thinking "fate worse than death" meant like a forced marriage.

@taviebrown2271

Жыл бұрын

@@DDlambchop43 Well, depending on the circumstances those two concepts are probably pretty close to each other.

This made me realize that almost everyone in hollow knight is experiencing the far end of the spectrum of fate worse then death and that is terrifying to think about

@rurihime4965

2 жыл бұрын

At first I thought "hey the NPCs dont seem to be suffering that much" then I remembered the infected enemies

@vivalaglavii6736

2 жыл бұрын

@@rurihime4965 At least in the ending where you kill the radiance you stop the infection

@rabenkonig6251

2 жыл бұрын

Same for Dark Souls. Nearly every character would rather die than become Hollow, which is ironically tragic as they can't even die as Undead. Come to think of it, Dark Souls is definitely on the far end of the spectrum for this trope.

@issovaidaumtrabaaaaaalho8987

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivalaglavii6736 It depends on what ending you've got. There isn't one ''true ending'' in hollow knight

@vivalaglavii6736

2 жыл бұрын

@@issovaidaumtrabaaaaaalho8987 Hence why I specified the ending where you slay the Radiance

Fate worst than death: Being forced to read the comment section on a politics video.

@Ismael-kc3ry

3 жыл бұрын

Mood

@multiplayergamer5728

3 жыл бұрын

YEEET

@merrittanimation7721

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes.

@pn2294

3 жыл бұрын

My god...

@antoniog56

3 жыл бұрын

Overly political people are like the epitome of toxicity

Ladies and Gentlemen: The Trope that singlehandedly makes Immortality something you'd rather not have!

@multiplayergamer5728

3 жыл бұрын

YEET

@Dacronhai

3 жыл бұрын

no

@marcindzamroga8945

3 жыл бұрын

*Gentlemen (unless there is only one specific gentleman you're addressing)

@MarkusAldawn

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcindzamroga8945 "Ladies and One Bastard In Particular"

@YGeo

3 жыл бұрын

You just gotta stop thinking after some time.

Recently I had a nightmare where a giant touched me with his spoon and I shattered into a bunch of different versions of myself, all with various components of my body replaced with spoons in grotesque fashion while feeling everything those versions are feeling all at once. It sounds silly, but it's definitely the second most This Is Worse Than Dying dream I've ever had.

@MFlari

2 жыл бұрын

*_second_*_ most?_

@meganbarhorst5272

2 жыл бұрын

@@MFlari The first most is honestly even harder to explain the horror of in a way that makes sense outside of dreams. I was standing at shallow depth in an "ocean" made of static (with a coastal shore within view and everything), which offered no buoyancy, so I just had to stand on the "ocean" floor to keep my head above. I tried to go to shore, but any time I took a step in any direction, even back the way I came, the ground was a little further down and I came a little closer to my head being swallowed by static, knowing intuitively that one the static swallowed me I could never leave. Once my head was under, I awoke to sleep paralysis, a strange screeching sound blaring deafeningly in my head as a black static-y presence at the foot of the bed reached its tendrils into my feet and up my body, as if trying to infect me and the world around me with itself, to drown forever in both the dream and real worlds in the endless sensory barrage of static and shrieking.

@galaxystudios370

Жыл бұрын

@@meganbarhorst5272 oh my fucking god

@lisabilby2006

Жыл бұрын

@@meganbarhorst5272 God damn, that feels more like *eldritch* horror than anything

@turtlelord8021

Жыл бұрын

@@meganbarhorst5272 what the actual fuck.

3:34 Fire Lord: Relax Zuko, *this will be great character development.* * burns half his son's face off and banishes him *

Alternate trope name: "I can't believe it's NOT death!" *insert tub of butter with trope name on label here.

@dinadina2000

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I hate it!

@hailghidorah2536

3 жыл бұрын

I'll take your entire stock

@legoworksstudios1

3 жыл бұрын

My money got impatient so each bill and coin sprouted legs and walked themselves to the cash register

@toongrowner1

3 жыл бұрын

this made me laugh more than it had any right to XD

@Roxanneredpanda

3 жыл бұрын

... what if I eat it

Fates worse than death: Every censored death in 4kids dubs because they all stick someone somewhere for eternity because kids don't have much of a grasp on how terrifying that would be.

@DeathnoteBB

3 жыл бұрын

Nah as a kid I definitely thought the Shadow Realm was worse than just dying

@kyrudo

3 жыл бұрын

Im of the oppinion that the Shadow Realm was actually a good change. Its way more terrifying than dying. Dying is doing the villian a favor if you ask me

@bluesbest1

3 жыл бұрын

As an adult learning what the Shadow Realm was a substitute for, I was like "Wait, that's it? They don't get sent to a place of eternal torment of various flavors? They're just killed? Lame." I'm thinking of your soul getting trapped in a card and being on fire, that weird graveyard thing, having your mind shattered, losing it, and those are all badass horrible fates bad enough to be nightmare fuel. Dying, though? That's basically vanilla.

@DeathnoteBB

3 жыл бұрын

@@kyrudo I mean sure it’s cooler but if their goal was to not scare kids. It had the opposite effect XD

@sophierobinson2738

3 жыл бұрын

I think an eternity of having to eat broccoli or asparagus in a vegetable world for eternity would be terrifying to most kids.

I'm actually kind of reminded of a line from, of all places, "The Return of Jafar", where the titular bad guy says "You'd be surprised what you can live through."

@j1227

Жыл бұрын

Actually Genie and Iago say that

@cameronjadewallace

Жыл бұрын

That's my favorite quote

@bigbadgammagnome

Жыл бұрын

The line you're thinking of is Jafar saying to Iago "there are things so much worse than death" (explaining why he doesn't just kill Aladdin)

@wjzav1971

11 ай бұрын

In the Aladdin films, it has been established that a Genie cannot kill anyone. So when Jafar, who is a genie, threatens them, this is his response. He might not be able to kill Aladdin, but he can seriously hurt him. And as long as Aladdin survives, its all within the rules.

@dreamcream3738

7 ай бұрын

​@@j1227Jafar said that to the weird bandit guy, and then Iago quips it

One of my D&D characters gained the power to change the physical form of any entity within a 100m radius. As soon as he got this power, he went to a city where an assassin who had killed his friend lived. He turned the assassin into a moaning pile of flesh that had no mind and could only feel the worst pain possible. My character carried him around just so that he could listen to the assassin scream in agony. I think I need a therapist.

@pugasaurusrex8253

2 жыл бұрын

You shall now be named “Murdle” Murdle the meat thing

@-DerangedArtist-

2 жыл бұрын

I love this comment. Sounds like something I’d do xD

@lullabypoppera3914

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I had friends so when a assassin killed 1 of them, I could turn the assassin into a pile of moaning flesh!

@potentpotassium5776

2 жыл бұрын

@@lullabypoppera3914 Yay! Friendship!

@potentpotassium5776

2 жыл бұрын

@@pugasaurusrex8253 Aight, I've named it murdle. That name is perfect, I love it, and now murdle gets to live in a cage.

"You can't just kill off your main character, what is the author going to do for the next season, make an entirely new character?" Hirohiko Araki "Watch me"

@marckevinjavier1897

3 жыл бұрын

Pucci: Interesting.... Tooru: *vibing*

@gregcourtney7717

3 жыл бұрын

Poor Jonathan.

@cybernubmaster988

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregcourtney7717 poor Jolyne

@gregcourtney7717

3 жыл бұрын

@@cybernubmaster988 though it wasn't his part, poor Jotaro.

@cybernubmaster988

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregcourtney7717 Fair

“I *said* the hero is in *DEADLY DANGER.”* “And *I* said *PROVE IT.”* 10/10 dialogue right there. Take notes, writers.

@Ramsey276one

3 жыл бұрын

THIS

@henrypaleveda7760

3 жыл бұрын

they'll make you regret saying that "no one is intrinsic to the success of an operation; any one can be replaced" "the operation does not depend on any one individual, any one can be lost" This applies to military command structure but I think it could work well for stories (Ans so does George R.R. Martin apparently).

@Kingmegadon

3 жыл бұрын

The 3rd Mister Miracle. Trapped in the Omega Sanction. Groundhog Day + Final Destination (Gets worse after each death). Was not resolve/retconned until 2018 in another persons comic. Been there for a while after Final Crisis so 2009 or 2010. That's 9~8 years of endlessly looping, worsening, deaths.

@woodfur00

3 жыл бұрын

@@henrypaleveda7760 Bold of them to assume "the operation" is what the audience cares about, rather than the characters we're emotionally invested in.

@NimhLabs

3 жыл бұрын

@@woodfur00 I dunno... suppose the operation is "kill John Egbert (again)"?

"I am a great soft jelly thing. Smoothly rounded, with no mouth, with pulsing white holes filled by fog where my eyes used to be. Rubbery appendages that were once my arms; bulks rounding down into legless humps of soft slippery matter. I leave a moist trail when I move. Blotches of diseased, evil gray come and go on my surface, as though light is being beamed from within. Outwardly: dumbly, I shamble about, a thing that could never have been known as human, a thing whose shape is so alien a travesty that humanity becomes more obscene for the vague resemblance. Inwardly: alone. Here. Living under the land, under the sea, in the belly of AM, whom we created because our time was badly spent and we must have known unconsciously that he could do it better. At least the four of them are safe at last. AM will be all the madder for that. It makes me a little happier. And yet ... AM has won, simply ... he has taken his revenge ... I have no mouth. And I must scream."

@spotlightanimation6719

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I hate it

@laaismm3107

2 жыл бұрын

Why is this scary? Why does the character assume that he "saved" the other 4? Is there any part in the story that states that whatever happens after death is a more comfortable option than what they were going through before?

@d4n737

2 жыл бұрын

@@laaismm3107 Yep. the entire story basicaly. The story never mentions any afterlife, but AM is such a sadist that no afterlife, not existing is a better option than being immortal on earth, being tormented by a machine that took torture to mathematical perfection

@kman1893

2 жыл бұрын

@@d4n737 exactly

@sornyeilevente973

2 жыл бұрын

@@laaismm3107 he doesn't know if anything happens after death, but he believes anything is better than the sadism of AM.

Hermoine is my favorite in fates worse than death--"or worse expelled!!!"

@emberandfriendsanimations2454

Жыл бұрын

I mean, she isn’t really all that wrong If you die, it doesn’t really effect you after it happens, as you are already dead, but if you’re expelled, it can ruin the rest of your life

@bradleyadams5252

Жыл бұрын

"She needs to reassess her priorities..."

@lukeroberson2115

8 ай бұрын

To be fair, for Hermione, expulsion basically means being banished from the magical world in its entirety. Imagine being 11 and finding out you have magic. Then being told if you break the rules, you'll have your wand snapped, and forced to never even talk about the new world you've seen ever again.

@P-man_XD

4 ай бұрын

​@@lukeroberson2115 I keep forgetting her parents are Muggles. XD

@adde9506

Ай бұрын

Actually, Hermione seems to have it right. For her it would just be going back to life as a muggle, but if you don't have muggle family to fall on, you have NOTHING. No job, no ability to get a job, a strong probability of being disowned, constant public shame, illegal to most basic things for yourself. Being expelled from Hogwarts before you pass OWLS basically condemns you to a life of homeless begging. Hagrid got extraordinarily lucky, and probably only because Dumbledore knew that something was hinky with Riddle.

I love how small Red is in that armchair. She looks like she would have to climb it by putting her arms on the seat like a child or go fetch a stool and ask Blue to take it away so she can start recording.

@alexandredesouza3692

3 жыл бұрын

That's so true LMFAO

@tach-uq5tw

3 жыл бұрын

Or yeet it out of frame every time

@heatherellis3471

3 жыл бұрын

I never noticed that! x'D

@chee.rah.monurB

3 жыл бұрын

It really adds to the cuteness of her whole style,huh?

@Gnolte

3 ай бұрын

Or jump a bit or lift herself a bit with her arms while backwards

I laughed when Red said that "fates worse than death" are often used to be more "kid friendly" because it immediately made me think of Star Wars Rebels. One villain states that "there are some things far more frightening than death" and then just lets himself die.

@FUNBadTime

3 жыл бұрын

And ironically in the end he still gets his own fate worse than death in the comics.

@phastinemoon

3 жыл бұрын

I was more impressed when it was uttered in the eternal Disney classic “The Return of Jafar”: (After someone brings up that genies are forbidden from killing anyone) “You’d be surprised what you can live through.” It was all the more terrifying because of how ridiculous the rest of the movie was.

@Nathan-kk6lb

2 жыл бұрын

He was also (spoilers) implied to be talking about having to face *Darth Vader* and report that he failed at what is basically his one job. Yeah, I’d probably go for the quick death, too.

@andrewmichael9201

2 жыл бұрын

I mean to be fair having to confront Vader with news that you failed is definitely a fate worse than death

@alexmansfield3268

2 жыл бұрын

Still really wish he stuck around. Dude was way more interesting and threatening than the other inquisitors

One of my favorite "fates worse than death" is the reveal that the character was *always* screwed up physically. A character in the book I'm writing believed they were born as a satyr, and later on its revealed that they were a human who had hooves melded into their feet and antlers driven into their skull.

@denmark1226

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds horrific. Nice

@pumpkinpartysystem

2 жыл бұрын

I kinda like doing this sort of thing via time travel nonsense. There's a weapon in my story (a wyrd, a type of indestructible item with no defined time of origin, not all of which are weapons, and each wyrd has unique effects) that causes any injuries it inflicts to exist retroactively. If you break someone's hand with it, they were born with a broken hand that mysteriously never heals, and ironically only by being hit with the weapon that inflicted the injury in the first place can they start to heal from it. The weapon can't be used to kill someone as they would have never existed to be killed by the weapon and would thus create a paradox, so the threads of fate itself conspire to prevent this except where it's baked in and would be a paradox not to happen. There's a character with healing blood who suffers from this, they've been horribly injured their whole life, a massive hole through their chest, there is no logical reason they should survive, they should have died from missing organs or blood loss or infection or any number of things, and they've spent their whole life suffering and wanting to die, but the inevitability of fate forces them to live on. Their healing blood is used by the ruling class, and they're kept alive in this state of perpetual suffering, until one of the ruling class eventually defects, and gives them the wyrd, which they immediately use to end their own life, retroactively causing their own injury that they had suffered from in perpetuity, but at least they finally get to die from it now.

@Jonaegh

2 жыл бұрын

@@pumpkinpartysystem Whoa- I love that idea! So creative! Massive props 👏👏

@pumpkinpartysystem

2 жыл бұрын

I have to blame Homestuck for giving me such a love of time nonsense. It's the biggest single influence on my writing by far.

@batnacks

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, wonderful body horror

"He's got no mouth, and you better believe he's gotta scream" sent me

Underrated example from my childhood: In Animorphs, David gets trapped by the protagonists while in a rat's body. If anyone stays in a morph too long they stay that way forever. So he ends up stranded on an island as a rat with his consciousness and memories intact

@wppb50

3 жыл бұрын

They get called on it, too. The second time he gets stuck in rat he basically begs Rachel to mercy kill him.

@flamingpi2245

3 жыл бұрын

Man animorphs is really f*cked up

@dorabrooks76

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, man, I adored that series! I collected almost the entire main series (only missing about 6), and all of the specials/off-shoots. I've saved them for my nibblings for when they're old enough, because, yeah. There is some _seriously_ dark subject matter in those books. Tobias himself is a good example. Or the fact that these are kids fighting a war and getting torn apart, morph back to heal, then morph back to animal just to get torn apart again. When you think about it, it's really horrifying. Still a fantastic series with excellent writing and great lessons, just for slightly more mature kids.

@wppb50

3 жыл бұрын

@@dorabrooks76 Sometimes stuff that seems dark and scary from your childhood, when you come back to it years later, turns out to have been pretty tame. You might have added a lot to it in your mind, it might have just struck a chord in your preadolescent mind. I've been rereading the Animorphs (KAA actually put out the whole series in eformat for free toward the start of the pandemic) and I can confirm: Animorphs is not one of those things. Even the "basic" danger they're dealing with--alien brain-parasites that control human bodies while they watch helpless to act, imprisoned inside their own minds while the slug can read their thoughts and memories, letting it pass itself off as its host to their very closest friends and loved ones--is some grade-A nightmare fuel that qualifies for this trope talk. It's seen as such in-universe, too; not only do all our protagonists agree that death is preferable to being taken, one of the books lets us see into the place where the hosts are kept, and we see a nameless background character try to escape, get recaptured, and cry about why they wouldn't just kill him. Y'know. For kids!

@dorabrooks76

3 жыл бұрын

@@wppb50 Absolutely agree. It certainly struck a chord, but I've also re-read them as an adult and things were as I remembered- horrifying, yet strangely fascinating with engaging characters. Maybe it's like how it's hard not to look at an accident? Part of you doesn't want to look, yet if you see it, you can't help but continue looking? Somehow they never gave me nightmares. I was a precocious child who grew up on Goosebumps, so maybe that helped? I think they're recommended for kids 9-12, which is interesting. I think on the lower end of that age group some of the less obvious existential horrors would go over their heads (unless the child is precocious, of course), in the middle range they'd start to understand, whereas at the higher end I think most kids would get it- both all the horror and the commentary. I remember really liking the balance of scary/horrific and humour as a kid (I started reading them around age 11). I didn't care that they were recommended for "younger" kids and continued reading them until the series finished being published. I was too attached to the characters! There's stuff you catch on a second or third read, too. I think of Animorphs as a more mature Goosebumps. I started reading Goosebumps well before the recommended age, so the transition was natural for me. I've saved them and will let my niece and nephew read them when they're older _if_ I think they're ready- certainly don't want to give my sister's kids nightmares! Lol Thanks for letting me know they've been released for free! That's fantastic! My current favourite author (Michelle Sagara West) has been releasing her short stories for free, too, for the same reason. What a treat! 😉😁

Red: *describes time loop, doing things over and over again, as a fate worse than death*... Everyone in repetitive dead-end jobs: Fuck.

@dinadina2000

3 жыл бұрын

Hey there is a reason that some venting blogs and subreddits have posts from people working in malls around holiday shopping season, laundries on discount clothes day and restraunts on game days ending with the famous phrase "I have no mouth and I must scream" In fact, the phrase originated as a protest by deeply oppressed second class citiziens with dead end thank less jobs who were essentially politically voiceless. I believe it was popular among young black teens in the segregation south who couldn't really vote for several intersecting reasons before Harlan Ellison saw it as a caption of a political cartoon and asked permission to use it as the title for his infamous story.

@hahndogg5540

3 жыл бұрын

Italian mob boss be like

@justaguy2985

3 жыл бұрын

Re zero be like

@sirmanmcdude508

3 жыл бұрын

When a customer is determined to do whatever it takes to save 30 cents on a $27 order and doesn't care how long it takes... And then tries to pay with a $100 bill anyway even though there's a sign saying "No bills over $20" before complaining for an hour to the manager... Truly a fate worse than death

@user-qq1xj5zk9n

3 жыл бұрын

Time loop is an Terrifying thing let’s see From the insider perspective Say One day you were walking around Thinking About your work What you’re gonna eat for dinner All small talk not much Then As Night come You goes into Your bed Locking your Window pulling in the Blind-shutter locking the door checking The Bed And Then You have lied down on the bed You Have seen an Weird Figure Whispering something “W...k....e....p..” You can’t quite make out the word As Your world begin to Darken you’ve sleep You woke up Fresh and Alive Thinking About your work What you’re gonna eat for dinner All small talk not much Then As Night come You goes into Your bed Locking your Window pulling in the Blind-shutter locking the door checking The Bed And Then You have lied down on the bed You woke upThinking you have this Uncanny feeling that You can’t quite put your Shapeless Limb on wait Why Did I Think Of “Shapeless limb?” And Slowly He’s Started to become Aware Of the Loop Knowing Everything will be meaningless seeing everything Repeats Each repetitions An Different one But Once the day is over It Restarted again Over And Over Like An Script That Was Axed Or was it? Perhaps This is another part of the script Was He ever free from The Loop in the first place If Suddenly Thing became different Did he escape the loop? Or is It Part of an Bigger Loop? Is His life still stuck in that Little Loop Is it or is it not? Is he still in an bigger loop? Or is he being paranoid? The Black figure appears again whispering by The Side Of His bed “Wa...k....up” He’s Slept yet again He slowly forgot about it until *It Repeated again*

Love how endless torture and pain is more kid friendly than the dude just dying

It honestly kind of reminds me of when Percy and Annabeth got thrown into Taurturas. The entire Fandom was blasted off their feet by that one.

@ironboi7359

6 ай бұрын

OK True, but we *do* know that Uncle Rick enjoys torturing us vicariously through Percabeth. So it wasnt all that unexpected, all things considered.

Jojo Villains: Hello, darkness my old friend

@merrittanimation7721

3 жыл бұрын

I've come to talk with you again...

@labodegadelauty7929

3 жыл бұрын

Dio: 100 years underwater challenge Kars: R O C K Kira: Handy handy ghosts Diavolo:

@labodegadelauty7929

3 жыл бұрын

@@fruitygarlic3601 Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo: Diavolo:

@benmazzara6216

3 жыл бұрын

@@labodegadelauty7929 wha...

@MothProtector

3 жыл бұрын

@@labodegadelauty7929 diavolo: Diavolo Diavolo Diavolo Diavolo Diavolo Diavolo Diavolo Diavolo Diavolo

Me: _tries to watch video about fates worse than death_ My characters: "Oh, no you don't."

@forickgrimaldus8301

3 жыл бұрын

My most liked Worst than death thing in fiction is the becoming a living statue in 40K. It is a favorite among the Dark Eldar where you are stuck in place, you are able to hear, see and feel but you can't move you can't speak and most importantly you can't age, you are stuck like that for untold Centuries being gaucked at by the Dark Eldar.

@voidstrider801

3 жыл бұрын

@@forickgrimaldus8301 You will also be subjected to CBT for eternity as every dark eldar that passes hits said statue in the groin with a blunt object, but never hard enough to damage the statue so that can keep doing so, you are unable to move, unable to scream, your fate is just an eternity of being smacked lightly in the nuts by filthy xenos for their amusement.

@henrypaleveda7760

3 жыл бұрын

I had an Idea for someone who experiences every possible outcome from a set of decisions made in one day, and they are experiencing all of the effects as they trickle down, (think like someone living in several realities at once), what do you think?

@thetapixie6638

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I can totally imagine my characters being like, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT WAS BAD ENOUGH LAST TIME YOU WATCHED A TROPE TALK-"

@jamesstewart5706

3 жыл бұрын

For reference material, Worm by Wildbow. At first in that universe death is often kinder than the other options and then overtime it starts to look like the best option.

i think what’s missed here is the effect these fates can have on an audience. someone getting shot and killed? okay, they’re dead, that’s that. someone gets their organs scrambled by a monster from beyond understanding, leaving them a barey living meat pile? they’re still out of the story, but now the audience has to confront the idea of what that kind of existence is like, leaving them with something unsettling to consider.

The main thing that comes to mind when I think of this is Diavolo in Jojo’s bizzare adventure. I don’t care how evil someone is I would never do that to someone. He was by no means a good person but a death loop for all eternity, that’s just fucked

@sev1120

2 жыл бұрын

And every death is different, so Diavolo has no way of getting peace with his death, as he never knows when, where, or how he will die

@RandomL0s3r

2 жыл бұрын

Can't use Epitaph because GER reduced his willpower to Zero. Can't get numb because GER returns his experience (not his pain) to zero. People say that also means he can also live a fulfilling life but he'll only be there for the "end" of it so that still sucks

@jamscharacteranalyst5161

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandomL0s3r The fun thing is: The fact that Diavolo will die of any way possible in any situation possible makes it so a little mention in a fanwork of Diavolo's head being cut off makes it canon-compliant.

@theelbow5332

Жыл бұрын

Giorno just built different

@RacingSnails64

Жыл бұрын

It honestly really soured me on Giorno. Same for Josuke. They both seem like such disgusting hypocrites for those kinds of acts. It's the kind of thing a VILLAIN would do. And I'm supposed to cheer when *heroes* do it? No, they just look disgusting for it. Like Red said at 5:35.

“I’m going back to bed before you get us all killed, or worst, expelled.”

@appouhal

3 жыл бұрын

A perfect example of the “Skewed Priorities” Trope

@rowanisntreal

3 жыл бұрын

i have a feeling this is from an anime, would you mind telling me which one?

@Kage-pm6qi

3 жыл бұрын

​@@rowanisntreal That's from Harry Potter.

@jibekmechler139

3 жыл бұрын

@@rowanisntreal actually it’s from Harry Potter XD

@kjj26k

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kage-pm6qi Ah yes, my favorite anime: _Harry Potter's Barmy Adventure_

The fact that this is the “kid friendly” option is fucking horrifying. Cuz the most awful/intriguing ends are always these ones. 😂👌

@driftingdruid

3 жыл бұрын

**has childhood flashbacks of crying about villains not being killed** (o_o;;)

@syabilaazri7834

3 жыл бұрын

At Malaysia, the only cartoon movie that could think of that use this trope is "Geng: Adventure Begin!" After that, the rest of cartoon movie go full on kill off the enemy (even though our superhero is like same age and way more powerful then Aang) or sent to prison( Watch Ejen Ali movie for that one)

@Eyewarp

2 жыл бұрын

I remember Mark Hamill saying that the way the Joker's gas works in Batman TAS was made to circumvent rules about killing in kids' shows, and how he actually considered it a fate worse than death.

@coolgreenbug7551

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eyewarp Yeah they were forced to laugh themselves into a coma while their face was contorted into a horrifying grin, but at least little Timmy didn't see any blood that he probably has seen if he ever scraped his knee

@pancakes8670

2 жыл бұрын

*looks at Porky Minch in Mother 3* Apparently Porky was originally supposed to die in that game, but they thought that was too dark for a kids game and instead decided to trap him inside of a pod for the rest of the universe

My favorite use of this trope is in the manga Luck Stealer. The main character (Kurusu) of Luck Stealer does just that, steals the luck of anyone he touches. He has therefore become an highly efficient assassin who can't really be traced as the person dies in an accident that seems completely random. The reason he does this is while he can steal the luck of basically anyone he touches, his daughter can't generate luck on her own but can get it from him, so he takes the luck of bad people and gives it to her. It's really badass and I really recommend, fill it into Seven Seas survey or something as it doesn't have an official English translation yet. Anyway, spoilers below. So in one chapter, I think 2, his daughter is worried about one of her classmates. His mother recently died, but the class was supported him on and he seemed to get better, but suddenly he got much worse and refuses to talk to anyone. So she asks her father to talk to him. In the beginning he refuses to say anything. But one day he waits for Kurusu outside school and shows him his wounds all over his stomach and it's implications of worse things happening. It's their narcissistic teacher who has been abusing him after school who abuses him each time someone does better than her as she's upset that the teacher profession doesn't have the same status anymore and she's nearing 25 and hasn't married yet. She even photographs his wounds to get moments of joy when alone, so she's a real piece of shit (although that might be insulting to shit). So Kurusu steals her camera, leaves it near a police station, then steals her luck. Police looks at the photos, in hopes of finding the owner, comes to question her, she runs away, jumps out a window, but "miraculously" survives, but both her face and reputation (everything she's been living for) are ruined. It's the only time a "target" has survived, and for her surviving was the worst punishment. And so, so satisfying!

Side note, I feel like “being horribly mamed physically” should’ve been mentioned in the body horror side of the sliding scale, as that’s more applicable to stories set in realistic settings, there’s nothing quite like the idea that the story might subject a character to something like an ACID ATTACK, or losing several limbs, ect

@mellemadswoestenburg1296

2 жыл бұрын

After Tusk, The Human Centipede and the Chucky season finale I can confidently say that being maimed is one of the worst fates in my opinion.

@JohnSmith-ex8iw

2 жыл бұрын

She actually mentioned that in the part about I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Well, more like implied. The narrator becomes essentially a big sentient turd that constantly secretes some unknown substance through his pores, he no longer has any limbs, his mouth is gone. It combines physical bodily horror and psychological horror.

@xaptor8685

Жыл бұрын

“I’ve got the spoon now, Wilson.”

@eldritchcupcakes3195

Жыл бұрын

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 I mean those definitely fall into extreme maiming. The commenter mentioned specifically acid attacks and amputation. Amputation is pretty rare as the sole fate and honestly isn’t that horrible physically compared to the other things. The most fucked up thing about amputation fates is often the mental issues that come with it. Amputation technically was part of the horror in tusk, but honestly the guy being convinced he’s genuinely a walrus comes second to the fact he’s missing both legs for me. Like they definitely could get him out of the meat suit and try and help him live with his physical state. But the fact he genuinely believes he’s an animal is infinitely more fucked up.

@eldritchcupcakes3195

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-ex8iw I thought it was a slime thing? A soft jelly thing specifically

Now all we need is the spiritual twin: the tragic backstory

@chadfalardeau5396

3 жыл бұрын

Hienz Dufenshmirtz is building a tragic backstory rememberinator

@liseegeskov8769

3 жыл бұрын

I need this!!

@ultimateknight4667

3 жыл бұрын

Or do it RIGHT before the charecter the bites it.

@All-Hail-Lelouch

3 жыл бұрын

Hachamachamaaa!

@sayerglasgow115

3 жыл бұрын

It's a trope that needs discussing. Particularly how overused it is. These days it seems like writers can't think of any character motivation that doesn't involve dead parents or burned down villages or spending years as a slave or some similar over the top tragedy. It's very rare to see a hero that has a decent home to go to and could live a quiet life if they wanted to, but actually actively chooses adventure.

Hermione Granger: Expulsion is a fate worse than death.

@vinayakohri1293

3 жыл бұрын

You needs to sort your priorities

@flamingpi2245

3 жыл бұрын

All jokes aside Harry Potter has a perfect example of a fate worse than death for Voldemort Instead of death death his soul fragments were so split apart and mutilated that he simply was trapped in limbo in agony forever You got what you wanted voldy, you can’t die

@turtlesdont9925

3 жыл бұрын

Or being married to Ron Wesley

@TobiasFangorIsntCis

3 жыл бұрын

Hermione's Greatest Fear is being forcibly abandoned, and the way that's most commonly shone is through expulsion, since school is where all her friends live and where she's felt Belonging for the first time

@saltyy5834

3 жыл бұрын

It could very well be true in the Wizarding World. For example, if you get expelled your wand might get broken or you won't be l able to use magic outside of Hogwarts, then you will have no power, be forced to live a life like a muggle even though you have magical abilities. Scary

Actually, seeing this make me realize why Disney didnt air season 2 finale of Amphibia in the first place. They worry that Marcy death will scare the children and make the parents mad for what they see on tv, so insted they spoil the season 3 intro just to say "hey dont worry kids, Marcy still here. She just in coma, floating and tangel with wire of health support under the thirteen eye monster"...way to destroy of season 3 suspense for the cartoon theories people....

@philippak7726

2 жыл бұрын

I was honestly surprised that they might have had the guts to stick a major character death in there. But no.

@applebee28

2 жыл бұрын

It's okay, kiddos, she's alive. Just in a comatose state barely clinging to life, in the possession of her former surrogate father figure who stabbed her in the back figuratively and literally, being forced to relive all her mistakes and the worst moments of her life over and over in her mind with no escape. Until of course, she is rescued and revived, and just when safety is tantalisingly within reach, it is ripped away again, and she is physically and emotionally tortured, her mind either broken or trapped inside the shell of a thirteen-eyed abomination ripped straight out of a HippoPotamus Lovecraft novel, as the being is essentially uploaded into her body to use it as a host as she screams in agony and terror until she can scream no more. Yeah, much better.

@notoriusbookworm48

2 жыл бұрын

@@applebee28 Just an example that kid shows can be deep, interesting, and traumatizing! :D

@kittycheshire5099

2 жыл бұрын

This episode has some intense final scenes. It might be scary for younger viewers.

Nina in FMA(B) is one of the best examples of an effective “fate worse than death”

@sev1120

2 жыл бұрын

It's also a good example of fiction having an inordinate amount of bad dads

@eldritchcupcakes3195

Жыл бұрын

Like at that point I lowkey agree with scar killing her. I’ve read a lot of fix it fanfics about her post transmutation and legitimately the main thing they often do is make her unaware of her own monstrosity.

@phootaphan9166

16 күн бұрын

@@eldritchcupcakes3195 I kind of like how he calls Edward out on them not doing anything for her, and he just doesn't have a comeback for it and has to deflect by bringing up the Rockbells instead. That's one thing I think was a little better in the original. At least in that version they try to keep her from being taken and experimented on before Scar finds her.

“...By the end of that story he’s got no mouth, and you’d better believe he’s gotta scream”

@torinsmith9867

3 жыл бұрын

When I saw the title of the video, that game was the first thing that came to mind.

@Rawilow

3 жыл бұрын

@@torinsmith9867 Game? Isn't it a book? I mean, I guess it might have been adapted as a game, I don't know.

@ethanmontgomery6099

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rawilow both

@fulanitorodriguez8626

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rawilow First a book, second a game. Actually in latinamerica we know more the game that the book because the translation of the book to spanish was realy bad.

@sophierobinson2738

3 жыл бұрын

fulanito rodriguez Believe me , the book was horrific. I wanted to burn the author. I believe it was Harlan Ellison.

Nobody in here asking if Red's okay after 15 minutes of "Pain and death don't matter, torture is meaningless. We're all dead anyway."

@sursurrus

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't help but think "This is what immersion in popular culture does to the soul" about her

@writerducky2589

3 жыл бұрын

@@sursurrus To everyone it seems since no one else is asking...

@sursurrus

3 жыл бұрын

@@writerducky2589 One day they will write books about the wondrously strange neuroses of youtube content creators.

@johnalogue9832

3 жыл бұрын

From personal experience, it might depend on where she learned about cPTSD and the neurodiversity movement. Sorry, I've been reminded of a particular FWTD very often this month.

@Ribbons0121R121

3 жыл бұрын

oh

7:02 Oof, that reminds me that there are actual people with chronic pain, fatigue and mental coma. I wonder how they feel with such scenes in films/books.

@MrPoopenFarten

2 жыл бұрын

Same with people who experience anything that a character experiences in fiction. A soldier with PTSD is likely going to respond in a similar fashion of a awakened coma patient. Of course it changes per person but still, the usual reaction is negative.

@NuckElBerg

2 жыл бұрын

As someone with a lot of chronic diseases/disabilities (sorry to those who experience these things in other ways)... the sad reality is that you eventually just get used to them. Perhaps a lot of this stems from me having had them for pretty much my entire life (thus not really "knowing" an existence without them), but it's still a pretty interesting subject. I know a lot of public figures with various diseases/disabilities get a lot of "oh no, that must be so horrible to live with"-kind of sympathy (which I do too), but the interesting reality is that; "no, it really isn't". You simply adapt... some things become extra chores (like medication, etc.), others become acceptance that you aren't the same way as everyone else, but in the end, even the most "horrifying" things in the general populace's eyes will eventually just become a routine part of your life.

@eVill420

2 жыл бұрын

@@NuckElBerg I've had problems with my teeth for 6 years, coming from the fact that I grind them together when I sleep, so they have gotten chipped, cavities have formed and my gums have gotten infected a few times, so now that I see something happening to fictional characters' mouths, specifically their teeth it makes me cringe really, really hard

@avaguinn8655

Жыл бұрын

@@eVill420 yea i dont get triggered easily but one thing that makes me feel nervous is any scene of a kid being groomed, or anything related to assault. also any scene of someone screaming cuz their horse is bolting. cuz i know how all of it feels and it’s terrifying

@himesilva

Жыл бұрын

There's a movie called Johnny Got His Gun about a WWI soldier hit by an artillery shell, losing his sight, speech, hearing and I believe losing his limbs as well. He's trapped inside of his body with an intact mind and memory. My mom went through something similar, she had a TBI and became paralyzed but her brain was mostly unaffected. Luckily she said her body somehow shielded her from being crystal clear aware of what was happening until she regained her speech and some movement, but I've always thought that would be a fate worse than death. Fun fact: the song "One" by Metallica is based on that movie.

Hero: Are you gonna kill me Villian: No, but you're going to wish I did.

@sarahthomas8670

2 ай бұрын

Oh….

Notes that I’ve taken from this to make the fate worse than death more interesting: - Make the fate matter to the plot, not just the character. - Make the character more than grumpy, make them flavorful, colorful, and give more personality. - Actually dive into the psychological trauma instead of just brushing it off. - Allow it be a fate worse than death but don’t make it functionally death. Allow interaction. - Consistency. - If it’s for revenge, make sure it’s not only from one place or one emotion. The reason I took notes? *I’m a sucker for this trope, and I wanna make it good if I write it myself.*

@elizabethsullivan1894

3 жыл бұрын

Have you read Mistborn? It hits most of those tropes :)

@justarandomuser480

3 жыл бұрын

Like Re:Zero?

@caseyjones-esque

3 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethsullivan1894 It’s on my list now

@caseyjones-esque

3 жыл бұрын

@@justarandomuser480 OH?

@archemyre7833

3 жыл бұрын

I'ma use these tips for my poor, traumatized DnD character if you don't mind. Thanks!

Diavolo: * sells drugs to kids * Giorno: hmmmm so you have chosen infinite death

@monkeyboy8569

3 жыл бұрын

@@harvey9588 Drug bad

@fullmetaltheorist

3 жыл бұрын

@@harvey9588 *Golden Wind starts playing*

@visibleconfusion782

3 жыл бұрын

And he didn’t even know that he did it.

@RedDingo777

3 жыл бұрын

That and trying to murder your own daughter...

@Johna-cv9gu

3 жыл бұрын

@@RedDingo777 maybe the daughter thing the most

The greatest mystery of life is how on Earth 4Kids wrote the book on intelligence-insulting censorship while AT THE EXACT SAME TIME produced the version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that was so relentlessly brutal and dark that an episode had to be pulled from the air. Get yourself a studio that can do both, I guess...

@nkbujvytcygvujno6006

Жыл бұрын

Easy. Different people who happened to work for the same company. Companies aren’t like families. Obviously.

@andWaiting

Жыл бұрын

That one tmnt episode with the ice cream cat fusion.

when you brought up the body horror end of the spectrum, I immediately thought of Weasly's "To the Pain" speech from Princess Bride.

If there's any joy to be had with "I Have No Mouth" is that our narrator got the only possible victory over the antagonist, by making himself the only one left.

@QuantumWaltz

3 жыл бұрын

There is a vicious sense of triumph there even in the agony of the narrator's fate, yes. The narrator may be an amorphous blob able only to feel pain, but now nobody else has to suffer with him, and the antagonist has nothing interesting left to toy with. What's the antagonist gonna do to the traumatized pain blob? _Poke it a little harder?_

@alecchristiaen4856

3 жыл бұрын

in a twisted way the antagonist now shares in the torment of the narrator. They're both left with nothing but either pain or boredom.

@christophergarcia9022

3 жыл бұрын

Both the narrator and the antagonist have no mouths and they wanna scream

@TheWinterscoming

3 жыл бұрын

@@QuantumWaltz I really enjoyed that because the antagonist just was angry and hateful and had no desire other than to hurt it's creators. And now that it has only one shambling around I really would be interested in seeing what it does. What do you do when every atom of your being is inscribed with the word "hate" and then you are alone?

Steven Universe: "You guys punish your villains?"

@jenneacubero1036

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball: I'm shocked too.

@lemmetalkaboutthis

3 жыл бұрын

True But also Steven Universe: you're not dead, now you're immortal! _have fun with that_

@kingarthurthe5th

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemmetalkaboutthis Immortal, not *Unkillable*

@lemmetalkaboutthis

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingarthurthe5th good point .... But wow that's really heavy to think about I saw more than one animatic of Lars straight up trying to kill himself, and not always succeeding bc he outlived all his loved ones

@kingarthurthe5th

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemmetalkaboutthis He could probably just take his ship into a star... But yeah it's kinda sad to think about it. Though since his crew is all gems, he'll have someone to keep him company. Unlike spinel in the garden.

The VeggieTales version of Esther uses a fate worse than death that, like, traumatized me as a small child

@crenfick7750

Жыл бұрын

lmao tickled for eternity

7:56 Ah, the Junji Ito zone.

"Warped into a configuration of some combination of horrible, unfixable, and nonfunctional" So Nina and Alexander from Fullmetal Alchemist. It was honestly a relief when Scar put her down

@thomasallen9974

3 жыл бұрын

It was unpleasant knowing she was still killed but still a relief she doesnt suffer

@mvalthegamer2450

3 жыл бұрын

What if Nina was immortal. No healing, however much she was torn apart, she just stays alive

@TheRoseFrontier

3 жыл бұрын

@@mvalthegamer2450 Dude how could you >:(

@mvalthegamer2450

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRoseFrontier I have been tasked with writing a re:Zero fanfic of yandere emilia. I need my sadism charged

@noahmurdock2000

3 жыл бұрын

That was so sad.

"And though he wished for death, he was unable to die. So eventually, he stopped thinking."

@nathanblissett9470

3 жыл бұрын

No treatment like the Kars treatment.

@owo4288

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanblissett9470 Except Diavolo

A Fate worse than a fate worse than death: being stuck in an infinite death loop. Looking at you Diavolo…

When I was younger I remember reading a book we’re all the characters we’re ghosts. Due to the fact them death was not an option every punishable state was a fate worse than death. One of the main antagonists that later became a hero ended up phasing through the earth, after an unknown amount of time he figured out how to interact with the physical world through force of will and climbed out of the Earth’s upper mantle. Funny enough not played for angst, just to show how determined the character was.

@Mylkzi

2 жыл бұрын

Do you remember what it was called?

@JackEverfree

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mylkzi was able to look up the book, apparently it was called “Everlost”.

@cq3r53

Жыл бұрын

I remember this series lol, such a good trilogy. Favorite “fate worse than death” in that series was the guy turning into chocolate, and the kids stuck in pickle jars.

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

I read those first two books! I’ve used body-jacking as a term for possession ever since. I was never able to find the third.

@CiCodiCadno

8 ай бұрын

While watching this video I was thinking of the exact same thing! Also, the kids can't remember how they look and eventually warp the only details they do remember - so one kid who remembers he has big ears gets bigger and bigger ears, if I remember it right. One of the protagonists was eating chocolate messily when he died, so the chocolate slowly grows on his face until he's a shambling chocolate monster... Shit's fucked up

Achilles' "fate worse than death" was Patroclus dying

@multiplayergamer5728

3 жыл бұрын

YEEET

@ireallyhatemakingupnamesfo1758

3 жыл бұрын

God can you imagine how distraught you would be if your cousin and incredibly straight dude best friend died? I would be heartbroken

@janedoe4929

3 жыл бұрын

@@ireallyhatemakingupnamesfo1758 **Internally screams.**

@faithh5546

3 жыл бұрын

@@ireallyhatemakingupnamesfo1758 **cries in gay erasure**

@tatersalad76

3 жыл бұрын

@@ireallyhatemakingupnamesfo1758 *NOOOOO! NOT MY HETERO LIFE MATE SNUGGLE BUDDY!*

I un-ironically think JoJo's bizzare adventure does the fate worse than death trope really well, only 3 main villains have technically died. Two villains are dying constantly over and over again, and another one has an ability that makes him completely invulnerable but he's trapped at the bottom of a lake and can't move so he's constantly drowning and at one point just stops thinking

@nicholasdennis8092

3 жыл бұрын

Fate worse than death : Check Impossible stakes like ending the world and actually doing it: Check Killing Protagonists: Check Oh Yea, It’s JoJo’s

@RacingSnails64

3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love so much about Jojo, but that is one large, scalding criticism I have about it. Like, it actually makes me dislike Josuke for how often he does it to enemy stand users. Hypocrite.

@sayerglasgow115

3 жыл бұрын

@@RacingSnails64 I wouldn't mind if Joske had just said "death is too good for you Angelo." But instead he acted like turning him into a rock forever was more moral than killing him.

@oimate6357

3 жыл бұрын

Wdym unironically?

@waluigiisthebest2802

3 жыл бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 🗿

During the immortal/body horror/brain dead sections, all I could think of was Mitty from Made in Abyss. She really got the short end of the stick 😰

@zackv4850

Жыл бұрын

Ya. Thus why I will never watch that show. I’ve seen clips and it is only nightmare.

@benraven9087

Жыл бұрын

I was looking for this comment.

@andWaiting

Жыл бұрын

Yes. My God I stumbled on a clip by accident years ago and it haunts me still...

BTAS creators talked about how they were tasked with finding a fate worse than death for the joker's victims and thats how that horrifying smile from the laughing gas came around

"fates worse than death used as a low calorie death alternative" for some reason I just imagined a hero going to a villain run Starbucks and contemplating on their diet of death or fate worse than death for 5 minutes while a cue forms behind them.

@trajectoryunown

3 жыл бұрын

I immediately thought of Hiro. XD I wonder when the next episode will be made?

@mrbtiger4838

3 жыл бұрын

Queue

@jeffbenton6183

3 жыл бұрын

Hero walks into the Villain's Pub.

@vulpez650

3 жыл бұрын

"Excuse me, mister hero? Can you please choose your manner of literary fate already, there are other heroes who are waiting for you." "Now hold on, I'm trying to figure out if my fate will be good for my audience, would me dying work or should I just stick to diet fate worse than death."

@BlackHayateTheThird

3 жыл бұрын

This could be an excellent indie play

When you mentioned ‘I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream’, I looked up ‘I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream’. I read ‘I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream’. I should not have read ‘I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream’.

@jazmindodds

3 жыл бұрын

It's...just dreadful

@wbrennan2253

3 жыл бұрын

Harlan Ellison had such a twisted imagination. I read that story in "Dangerous Visions." I try not to reread that very often. No nightmares. Yet.

@insertedgynamehere

2 жыл бұрын

I feel this statement

@mitkitty

2 жыл бұрын

You should check out a playthrough of the adventure game adaptation. It's...happier? In that if you do absolutely perfectly one of the five is allowed to survive in a not-horrible way and the rest are dead. Still better than the short story!

@mitkitty

2 жыл бұрын

But also theres so many content warnings that you might wanna look up, hoooooly shit

The fate worse than death really only gets dark if you begin to imagine yourself in the characters shoes. A good example of this is Discord from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, were the entire beginning of his story is that he was an enemy to the princesses that they couldn't beat, so they used the Elements of Harmony to turn him to stone and he ended up staying in that state for 1000 years before the spell started to weaken when the Main 6 became the new bearers of the Elements. I can't even begin to count how many people have used his punishment as a way to write dark and twisted fanfics regarding his time in stone, or how horrifying it must have been for him to be turned to stone a second time, before they released him and decided he could be reformed into an ally. The biggest questions regarding his punishment is whether or not he was conscious during his time in stone. The same goes for some of the other villians in the show and even main characters. Princess Luna was on the moon for 1000 years as her evil counterpart, Nightmare Moon. That as well has been the inspiration for many sad and dark fanfics and one of the reasons why she is one of the most popular characters in the show. One of the best fanfics I've read from this franchise was the Keepers of Discord, a really sad but heartwarming story of what could have gone differently if Discord just had someone around to keep him entertained while he was a statue.

One of my favorite uses of this is “the mind wipe” which you briefly touched on but the main character does get completely brain wiped/controlled and the side cast spends a season/arc with the previous MC as the antagonist until they get a Mac huff in or something to change it back. Great dram and creates tons of interesting dynamics

Skyrim: Being soul trapped and doomed into a gem for the rest of eternity.

@multiplayergamer5728

3 жыл бұрын

YEEET

@joshuahadams

3 жыл бұрын

You do ‘Dawnguard’ yet? It gets worse.

@borkbork3513

3 жыл бұрын

At least I get a sick horse

@PirvateerKurei

3 жыл бұрын

It gets worse, your soul gets turned into energy that goes into a blade that is used for slashing, bashing, or stabbing someone. It's awful! And imagine being indebted to some Daedric Prince? I've sold my soul a few times to Molag Bal for his sweet Mace

@balabanasireti

3 жыл бұрын

@@multiplayergamer5728 Stop with the spamming and shut up already.

Fun fact: I actually had an existential crisis triggered around this trope, from Aladdin 2 of all things. Jafar has a line about how "there are things so much worse than death" and I asked out loud "really??" And my older cousin nearby said "Yep."

@gobalbucs

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. I had a hard time believing that as a kid, though (“How could anything _possibly_ be worse than dying?”), so I just chalked it up to Jafar being his typical nasty self.

@kylefrank638

3 жыл бұрын

I got legitimate chills from watching the end of the Twilight Zone episode "On Thursday We Leave for Home", wherein the main character doesn't just end up with a fate worse than death laid upon him... it was his own, completely-avoidable choice that he didn't think through.

@karuflan9215

3 жыл бұрын

As a child, I was taught that when you die you just dissappear "like the flame of a candle", so it was really never something that affected me more than *big sad :'(* On the flip side, everytime any cartoon or anime had their villians trapped alive in another dimension or something of the sort, now THAT gave me the chills.

@postmodernguava9518

3 жыл бұрын

"Genies can't kill, but you'd be surprised at what you can live through" is such a terrifying line, it's hard to believe it comes from a direct-to-DVD Disney sequel.

@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682

3 жыл бұрын

@@postmodernguava9518 well yeah. Disney routinely gets very dark even some of their most "kid friendly" works.

"The character ends up warped into a configuration that's some combination of horrifying, unfixable, and nonfunctional." No one: Mitty from Made in Abyss: *AA-A*

@jasonbell8515

4 ай бұрын

MAGOLOR SOUL

I feel like BBC Merlin pulled off setting their stakes really well. Spoilers, the whole point of the show was that Merlin had to hide his magic to avoid execution all the while guiding Arthur to unite the land and get Arthur to see magic wasn’t evil without revealing himself. At several points he is told two certain characters should be taken out because if they are allowed to live Arthur will die an early death and magic will never be free. Merlin refuses to kill them because at the time one is his friend and the other is an eight year old kid. And through a series of unfortunate events and mistakes Merlin makes throughout the series, his friend turns on them all and the kid grows up to join forces with her. So the series ends with Arthur dying an early death, and Merlin forced to live an immortal life in a world where magic isn’t free, waiting for a time when Arthur will rise again and they can try again to fulfill their destinies.

@wilddragonsong2994

Жыл бұрын

There's a clear moral to that story: Never listen to the gacking dragon. The dragon is gacking stupid. Merlin's decisions in season 5 are absolutely idiotic, and the dragon just makes it worse.

Fates worse than death in children's media are actually REALLY fucking dark if you take a second to properly think about them. I mean look at Luna/Nightmare Moon from My Little Pony, she was imprisoned on the moon for ONE THOUSAND YEARS. Prolonged solitary confinement is considered one of the worst forms of torture that exist and for good reason. People have gone insane from mere weeks in solitary, can you imagine how horrific a 1000 years can be?

@toongrowner1

3 жыл бұрын

fridge horror, when you realize the actual horror of something when actual thinking about it for a while

@driftingdruid

3 жыл бұрын

this is why this trope scarred me in my childhood

@The_True_Mx_Pink

3 жыл бұрын

The same goes for discord, and possibly cozy glow, Tirek, and chrysalis. They imprisoned a child with villains in stone for what could possibly last millennium upon millennium.

@BigKlingy

3 жыл бұрын

I like how, in the comics, they wouldn't let one of the writers kill off a character. So he changed it to her being turned to crystal, shattered to pieces, and those pieces scattered across the world, each fully conscious. This got approved. From what I've read the Batman cartoon was also really good at getting away with horrifying fates that weren't death. The Joker was allowed to gas people into perpetual laughter and horrifying smiles, because it didn't actually KILL them.

@summerbreeze9576

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t take my little pony so seriously lmfao

I've always been partial towards "Hell is just a word. The reality is much, much worse." Being vague generally does a good job for horror.

@tobistein6639

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Our brains know how to freak us out. Give them space to imagine something terrible, and they’ll make sure we don’t sleep for a couple days 😂 The horror of the unknown is also very effective because everyone designs it for themselves automatically. They fill in the blanks with what would be terrifying to themselves specifically, meaning everyone gets a personalized horror experience.

@platinumchromee3191

2 жыл бұрын

Me,making hell real in my story: yeets main character in here for 1000 years as good ending(he do be rippin and tearin here)

I think Nina the dog is the worst possible version of fate worst than death. Now Nina's image is also stuck in your head like mine 🥴

I actually really like the “highly specific bad thing” version mentioned at the bottom of the severity spectrum. It’s good for kid-friendly karma, and it’s also convenient for my anti-death-penalty self. It’s sometimes even more karmic because of its incredible specificity, and it lets the MCs get away with doing something suitably horrid to repay their evil deeds without any of the moral compunctions of murder. I like it so much that it’s the final fate of the villain in my current story (actually a fanfiction but that’s not important). One of the characters is like, “Letting him live is more than he deserves.” And another character responds, and I quote: “I think he gets exactly what he deserves. He gets to watch the universe prove itself better off without him.”

@legrandliseurtri7495

2 жыл бұрын

Damn, that's gotta be one heck of a evil person to justify that.

Fates worse than death: -College -Mental health problems -Fandom addictions to cope with mental health problems and college

@freddovich7925

3 жыл бұрын

So you'd rather die than: - Work to increase your skillset and increase your chances of getting a well payed job, meanwhile making friends for life and partying - Deal with mental problems and get out of them stronger - Enjoy fictional universes which excite your imagination and expand your creativity

@MultiNaruto900

3 жыл бұрын

- Student debt that you probably won't be able to pay off

@chocolatedoughnut1305

3 жыл бұрын

Don't threaten me with a good time

@giggabiite4417

3 жыл бұрын

@@freddovich7925 it isn’t that they don’t want to or even that they don’t. It’s just it can feel impossible sometimes

@rynfiaryn

3 жыл бұрын

@@freddovich7925 It. Was. A. Joke. 🙄

“He never raised his voice, that was the worst of it. The fury of a Time Lord. And then we discovered why. Why this Doctor, who had fought with gods and demons why he’d run away from us and hidden. He was being kind.”

@raventreye2326

3 жыл бұрын

This is my personal favorite Fate Worse than Death, and I was hoping Red would bring it up, especially as a counter-example to the "it's good when the good guys do it, but bad when the bad guys do", since the characters acknowledge this as part of the Doctor's unsettling dark side

@defensivekobra3873

3 жыл бұрын

What did he do that episode?

@vaughnjohnson8767

3 жыл бұрын

I think my favorite example of the fate worse than death is Overhaul in My Hero Academia. He lost his arms, he lost his quirk, he lost Eri, and he lost his power. But that wasn’t the reason he screamed so horribly. It was that he had lost his power to help the previous leader of the Shie Hassaikai from his coma and to bring the Yakuza back to power, so he could repay the leader. His scream gave me chills, and made me feel bad for him, regardless of what he did to poor Eri and Togata.

@giornogiovanna8486

3 жыл бұрын

@@defensivekobra3873 do you mean what episode or what did he do to them?

@defensivekobra3873

3 жыл бұрын

@@giornogiovanna8486 well i do not watch the show personally so i am more interested in the outcome, but this would be a great way to make me watch the show in the first place

Sometimes I listen to these and have silly little ideas for plots to subvert tropes. e.g. Villain is attempting to open a portal to a hell dimension? Turns out they think this is the hell dimension because of a mutual misunderstanding over 1000 years ago

For a good example of irreversible nightmare fuel, Love Town from Library of Ruina is a perfect example I think. As one person described in the steam reviews “we do not talk about love town.”

I remember back in middle school we read a short story where this child psychopath got ahold of an immortality serum and was defeated by being encased in concrete beneath a road for essentially eternity. That and the Ducktales episode where the whole world almost gets encased in gold forever really messed me up.

@marshmallowallen5677

3 жыл бұрын

Holy fucking shit

@richardgibson8403

3 жыл бұрын

holy shit a child

@vaughnjohnson8767

3 жыл бұрын

Geez. That’s rough, buddy

@mediatorraptor3349

3 жыл бұрын

What type of short story is that?

@freddovich7925

3 жыл бұрын

We had this short story of a guy who kidnapped a child. He explained to the kid that his own son was kidnapped, raped, and cut in pieces which were then found in various places around the country. The rapists were arrested, but their lawyer got them out. The man then says that that lawyer is the kids' father. The kid denies this, he starts crying and begging, saying that he knows the other boy from school, they have the same first name. The man believes it, then shoots himself. The boy, relieved, thinks to himself that his dad, the lawyer, would be proud of him, only to encounter one of the rapists in the house where he is held. The story ends. I WAS 13 WHEN I HEARD THIS WHAT THE FUCK

“Fates worse than death” like opening an OSP video that’s 27 seconds old and seeing 3 comments already, knowing most of them will be “haha first”

@theguy3851

3 жыл бұрын

Yeesh. Nothing will get rid of the cringe.

@multiplayergamer5728

3 жыл бұрын

YEET

@sacratul

3 жыл бұрын

Haha first

@mn3702

3 жыл бұрын

@@multiplayergamer5728 woah this guy just replied "yeet" to every comment

@archlectoryarvi2873

3 жыл бұрын

@@mn3702 maybe he's living his "worse than death" fate¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2:17 I love you drawing it as the author holding the character hostage. "I'll do it! I'll kill him!"

I think my favorite fates worse than death moment was in doctor who. When tennants doctor gave the family of blood immortality. The father was wrapped in unbreakable chains and locked away, the mother was tossed into a collapsing galaxy, the daughter was locked away inside every mirror, and the son was frozen in time and made to be a scarecrow.

@Timelordvainglorious1

9 ай бұрын

My first thought exactly

“Fate worst than death” Me: Death+

@merrittanimation7721

3 жыл бұрын

Death++

@MaxHDAvenger

3 жыл бұрын

Theres Deader than dead trope

@serse8455

3 жыл бұрын

It's death, but ad-free and on a monthly subscription

@anadice9489

3 жыл бұрын

When you're already dead but you die again so you do a New Game+ on Death.

@plant8348

3 жыл бұрын

@Salma Mohammed Get your Death Battle Pass for new alternatives to being sent to hell every week!

A fate worse than death? Try that one moment when you're trying to sleep but you're kept awake by all the embarrassing stuff you did in the past that you can't forget. Forever.

@hayleybartek8643

3 жыл бұрын

When you want to die from cringe but you can’t.

@cryofpaine

3 жыл бұрын

So, just normal life? Yeah, that works. Life is a fate worse than death.

@Rick586

3 жыл бұрын

Insomnia then.

@catneko6855

3 жыл бұрын

or a SLIGHT ITCH OR BEING just- SLIGHTLY TO HOT- SLIGHTLY TO COLD- Or having a DRY mouth....

@master0fthearts894

3 жыл бұрын

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!

Yk I’m starting to realize how bad jojo villains have it, like the “become into a statue still capable of thinking and feeling watching eternity pass by” yup that was kars, “the pain zone” Kira, “time death loop” diavolo.

“A few sexy scars if the writers are into that” really made me feel called out. And the whole being called a sadist thing. Hoo boy. Can’t wait for anyone to get their hands on my books once they’re finished.

“They’re not *actually* gonna destroy the world.” *Warhammer Fantasy, floating dead in the void after armageddon*: “Sorry, what was that?”

@geesegoose2657

3 жыл бұрын

"Some may question your right to destroy ten billion people. Those who understand know that you have no right to let them live."

@harmlessratz7151

3 жыл бұрын

still better that than being enslaved by Drukharii,or turned into sentient furniture by Clan Moulder

@ScarletFlames1

3 жыл бұрын

In the background I could only imagine the sound of Earth Bet's atmosphere rushing either into space or into the giant trenches that Scion\Zion\Warrior blasted into it. Talking about Worm, of course.

@BE-fw1lr

3 жыл бұрын

And that's why generally no one takes Warhammer lore too seriously ;P

@kalebb1226

3 жыл бұрын

Warhammer 40k That's cute

"Frozen as an immobilized statue, still capable of thinking and feeling as they witnessed eternity roll by" Christing hell...

@ThroneOfSalt

2 жыл бұрын

@@11epicguy22 "Yo, Angelo"

@11epicguy22

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThroneOfSalt oh I meant *Kars stopped thinking*

@braverydoesstuff4063

2 жыл бұрын

Idk I just thought of Discord

@AgentTasmania

2 жыл бұрын

Zargothrax

@matthewwilliams8267

2 жыл бұрын

Mayuri from Bleach. I forget which fight, but it was during the Arrancar arc, where Chad and Ishida are getting kicked by some Scientist dude. Mayuri shows up, does some badass shit, poisons the other guy so he experiences every agonizing second in hyper slow-time, slowly drives his sword through the other guy's hand into his heart, while doing a deep speech. Then slowly pulls it back out with "I'll be back later to stab you again" Absolutely terrible.

I have a few grim fates that come to mind from a couple of my favorite series. In His Dark Materials, you have Lord Asriel and Mrs. Coulter falling into the void where they will literally be falling forever, even after they die, and then you have Lord Voldemort in Harry Potter, where his damaged soul basically winds up trapped for all eternity in limbo.

My favorite example is in a flash comic, after Bart Allen aka Impulse is killed by his clone, Inertia, Wally West steals all of his speed through speed force shenanigans and slows him down to a point where he still thinks in real time, but cannot move. It takes him a hundred years to blink. He then sticks him in front of a statue of Bart in the Flash museum, to force him to stare at the person he killed. Absolutely fucking BRUTAL

"Even the really dark, grim, and serious tropes that beg to be taken seriously are sometimes pretty basic bitches" basically every anime ever

@paulhage4059

3 жыл бұрын

*stares in part 5's infinite death loop*

@MayHugger

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulhage4059 Part 5 of what?

@yooman6339

3 жыл бұрын

@@MayHugger I assume it's jojo

@MayHugger

3 жыл бұрын

@@yooman6339 Mojo Jojo?

@yooman6339

3 жыл бұрын

@@MayHugger I wish it was

*Diavolo:* "I'll take one of all of the above, please."

@gionathancurry

3 жыл бұрын

How are you everywhere?

@freetoplayking7362

3 жыл бұрын

with a hint of piano

@Caspianm2

3 жыл бұрын

@@gionathancurry He's cultured but also has many copies.

@idontslicebreadwithaflashl2562

3 жыл бұрын

Good mustasche

@iPhoneeditor

3 жыл бұрын

*This is Requiem...*

When it's in the past it's BACKSTORY Me: * looks at character I made * Said character was a queen in a culture where queens aren't allowed to outlive their kings. So when her husband friggin sacrificed himself...well she had a healing factor so she got to experience what was essentially the mummification process. Then when her soul couldn't inhabit her body anymore it was split across time and space causing this ray of sunshine 19 year old to resurface a few millennia later as a ball of snark and angst 'has experience millions of years in short time' human. So yeah. I can concur that if this was someone's punishment I sure as hell would call that a fate worse than death, but when it's already over it's pretty much a character trait.

"... And a few sexy scars if the writer is into that" I feel so called on!