I think the funniest way a love triangle was ever solved was in the Kane Chronicles when Sadie’s two love interests ended up merging into one person so she never ended up having to pick between the two

@fictional-girl_05

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@chloesantos8637

Жыл бұрын

oooh yeahhhh that did happen lol

@arianewinter4266

Жыл бұрын

Wtf 🤣

@whynot9579

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile carters love interest turned out to be literal clay lol

@catgj

Жыл бұрын

@@whynot9579 ah, love life drama

Every triangle is a love triangle when you love triangles

@Firegen1

2 жыл бұрын

Especially if you are Telly from Sesame Street

@Super123456789ki

2 жыл бұрын

Shit you beat me to it

@Firegen1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Super123456789kiLet's share it. Unless you fancy rock paper scissors bomb?

@henleyjean9025

2 жыл бұрын

Well, hello Pythagoras

@alcoholicwitharatproblem4211

2 жыл бұрын

Tru

Best love triangle is when B and C start out as fighting for A’s affection, only to end up falling in love with each other instead

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

😂

@chronicallyonlinelesbian

Жыл бұрын

korrasami basically

@LiMe251

Жыл бұрын

What about when A, B, and C all end up together

@battlesheep2552

Жыл бұрын

Enemies with benefits

@steampunk-llama

Жыл бұрын

@@LiMe251 polyamory

I feel like the most painful kind of love triangle is when A/B are meant to get together but A/C have way more chemistry and literally everyone else agrees that A/C are the better couple. A/B are basically lovestruck and "destined/ made for each other" but A/C actually get to know each other and their growth together is noticable. Love at first sight is cute but I wanna see growth along with it too!

@baonguyenxuanthai711

2 жыл бұрын

in my opinion, One of the simplest ways to add nuance to love triangles would be to make the characters more diverse. I briefly mentioned that one of the things I dislike about love triangles is how heteronormative they typically are. Why not introduce a true three-sided love triangle - A loves B, B loves C, C loves A - rather than the typical two-sided triangle in which characters B and C both love A? Not only would the pairing be truer to the trope’s name, it would also introduce at least one bisexual or pansexual character. Give me a bisexual main character who’s struggling between their attraction to a man and a woman. Or throw an asexual or aromantic character into the mix. Maybe even someone who is transgender or nonbinary. If all three characters are friends anyway, why can’t we have some polyamorous representation where they all embark on a loving, consensual relationship with multiple partners? None of these changes to a love triangle’s standard format are that drastic, but they’re different enough to make the old trope more interesting again. I can think of a couple TV shows or movies that subvert the traditional love triangle in one of those ways - “Love, Victor” and “The Half of It” are the two that immediately come to mind - and they’re much more refreshing than re-watching the same straight, sexist and predictable love triangle that’s become so overused. Sure, changing up the characters’ sexualities or gender identities doesn’t automatically save the love triangle from being predictable, unnecessary or cliché, but it does add some nuance to the trope that definitely helps with the problems. Plus, even if the love triangle still ends up falling flat, at least we’ll get some much-needed representation out of it. If straight people can have an endless supply of badly written, mindlessly entertaining romantic tropes, surely the LGBTQ+ community deserves some too. Sorry for the long reply, this is just my take on the how you can make the trope less suck in my eyes lol

@toe_sucker_4165

Жыл бұрын

You can just say you're mad at Derrick J Wyatt. His corpse won't get mad at you.

@PIXELPARAD3

Жыл бұрын

enchanted (disney movie) be like

@carlosvalditx00

Жыл бұрын

The whole Attack on Titan situation can be described with this.

@solsystem1342

Жыл бұрын

@@baonguyenxuanthai711 welp, got some new insperation here. About to go write my own queer fan-fic about a relationship between a trans women, her closeted bisexual "girlfriend"/childhood best friend , and their other besty who's an ace guy who owns the bakery they all hang out at. Please hold for bi panic

You could always just pull a George Lucas and solve the triangle by revealing that two corners are long lost siblings

@carloszapata847

2 жыл бұрын

It is also called "Pulling a Hideaki Anno", as he did the same thing in Neon Genesis Evangelion.

@schwarzerritter5724

2 жыл бұрын

I have seen too much anime to believe that would work.

@l1mbo69

2 жыл бұрын

@@carloszapata847 Who are the two lost siblings you refer to? Is this something from the Rebuild movies?

@carloszapata847

2 жыл бұрын

@@l1mbo69 Shinji and Rei.

@l1mbo69

2 жыл бұрын

@@carloszapata847 wait how are they siblings if rei's soul is made from Lilith And she is supposed to be a clone of Yui (not sure how exactly if neither her soul or body have anything to do with her but anyway) so you can't consider her a daughter of Yui

Meanwhile someone that mostly gives terrible writing advice: *"Good, now do the sacred LOVE DODECAHEDRON!!"*

@deadlockraven1849

2 жыл бұрын

And remember that certain someone's ultimate advice: If it's a spy story, make it a LOVE BLACK HOLE!

@thedoomofred5174

2 жыл бұрын

What of the love bow tie, where the one character is in two different love triangles

@axios4702

2 жыл бұрын

I love the Love Triangle man.

@patriciamcgeorge2575

2 жыл бұрын

Plato approves

@MrPineapple045

2 жыл бұрын

*Love Rhombicosidodecahedron*

Every now and then, I think of a quote I read somewhere about this trope: "Most of what we call Love Triangles are actually a Love Corner. And most of the time, the woman is backed into it." (I'm might be paraphrasing a bit, but that was the gist)

@bookbook9495

2 жыл бұрын

Every gosh-darn time

@eadbert1935

2 жыл бұрын

that's what i think a lot. a true love triangle is polyamourous.

@heinoustentacles5719

2 жыл бұрын

sounds hot.

@georgiprenatt8270

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that on Pinterest.

@cactusnarwhal8628

2 жыл бұрын

@@heinoustentacles5719 what

surprised you didn’t mention the hot mess of the Miraculous love square, where Adrien is his own rival without knowing

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

miraculous his love triangle is so ridiculously confusing and convoluted that it probably needs its own trope talk

@loopsjam4713

7 ай бұрын

Also Jem and the holograms, where Jerrica is in a love triangle with herself and her popstar persona (who is still just her with an appearance change). Because she never once bothers to tell her boyfriend that she's Jem. And then there's another season of the show where the main villains get shafted and replaced by another trio, and one of them is also in a love triangle with Jerrica and herself, and the boyfriend who's name I don't remember.

@hanzzel6086

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that went from messy, to really messy, to confusing messy, to, to uh, to cleanly wrapped up to every characters satisfaction? Some how?

7:05: And then there's Miraculous Ladybug, whose fanfic community largely revolves around the fact that both of its protagonists are in love with exactly one of the other's identities. The fandom calls this a "love square," and I'm not surprised that it's basically unique because it requires a _very_ specific set of circumstances to pull off. You can't accidentally write a love square.

@lordfelidae4505

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a pine cycle!

@candiman4243

2 жыл бұрын

There's also Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream" which is possibly *more* complicated

@Davinky948

2 жыл бұрын

Fairly certain for a second it evolved into a love hexagon once Luka and Kagami came into the mix.😂

@danielamoreno712

2 жыл бұрын

I once saw someone illustrate it as a cube. It made sense and was really confusing at the same time.

@juliakovacs4885

2 жыл бұрын

@@Davinky948 Don't forget Cat Walker which added another angle to the mess!

Here's an idea, Characters A and B have the usual rivalry over C, and C, seeing all of A's and B's plotting and scheming, immediately assume they're plotting C's murder.

@disgustof-riley8338

2 жыл бұрын

Hi you are a genius and I'm using that with credit

@arthurdias6860

2 жыл бұрын

@@disgustof-riley8338 me too

@ARandomSpace

2 жыл бұрын

That is such a good idea.

@violetwitch9948

2 жыл бұрын

oh...i would love to see that happen someday in cartoon or anime

@kaniencrone7438

2 жыл бұрын

This would be a fun twist for a comedy

This video is now 9 months old. Whatever child was concieved when the video was uploaded is now born. Congradulations, on... something!

@lysergidedaydream5970

Жыл бұрын

This is whack I struggle to put into words just how whack this is How did this enter your brain How Por que

@user-id1vw5lo5p

Жыл бұрын

This is the oddest comment I have ever seen

@kylespevak6781

Жыл бұрын

Con Grads

@ItzJuanG

Жыл бұрын

Do you think a couple saw this video and said "Now it's the time"

@jayl9110

Жыл бұрын

@@ItzJuanG Wait did you not?

I'm somewhat surprised Terrible Writing Advice hasn't been summoned yet. You cannot stop his fury. He cannot be held at bay. You cannot deny him his due.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

He does have a video about love triangles!

@xyzaxy230

Жыл бұрын

@@deborahminter6231 Some say that's every of his videos

@aimfulRenegade

Жыл бұрын

i said the same thing! he's literally known as the puny love triangle man!

@normanmai7865

Жыл бұрын

He comes seeking the weed of Olympus. Do not deny him his doobie.

@mathsethorus89.5

Жыл бұрын

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE. thank you! Yes

My favorite love-triangle solution is "A doesn't end up with either B or C, who finally realize A is just a manipulative asshole that has been toying with their emotions this whole time", bonus points if B and C form an wholesome unbreakable friendship as their happily-ever-after

@cussundriakneal9904

2 жыл бұрын

Or they get together, leaving A dumbfounded. XD

@linneagustafsson3665

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds really nice. Have you any examples on books where this happens?

@Tortferngatr

2 жыл бұрын

@@cussundriakneal9904 Oh hey it’s Korra

@IcyIrony

2 жыл бұрын

The legend of Korra, sort of. If A is Mako. I would maybe not called him a manipulative asshole but it still has the same effect.

@noteliassmith

2 жыл бұрын

Legally Blonde who

"There's nothing simpler and more painless than forging a lifelong mutualistic bond with another human being and exposing the white-hot core of your fundamental personhood to the unconditional judgement of someone who will on some level always be a stranger to you. Romance is a well-documented straight line from prolonged eye contact to happily ever after." I love that. That is easily the best intro you've ever done.

@RainaRamsay

2 жыл бұрын

NGL, I came here hoping for an unscripted rant ala time-travelling goat fish, but the incredible depth of sarcasm in the intro was actually even better.

@TheBrownieQueen

2 жыл бұрын

Good god I held my breath during this entire line.

@obsessivefanboy

2 жыл бұрын

lmao my thoughts exactly

@AnimeSunglasses

2 жыл бұрын

I thought I had seen Red at something approaching maximum sarcasm before. In retrospect, I don't know why I thought that.

@chimera9818

2 жыл бұрын

She is ace

To this day, the most creative and hilarious solution to a love “triangle” was in The Kane Chronicles series by Rick Riordan. One of the protagonists, Sadie, had a crush on two different guys. One she couldn’t be with because he was an immortal god and the other because he was slowly dying. However, in the last book of the trilogy, the god takes the dying guy as his host, keeping him grounded in the mortal world and keeping the dying guy alive so Sadie can be with both of them.

@caldegers909

11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for that comment.

@fangsabre

8 ай бұрын

And then Sadie immediately freaks out about the situation before realizing that having a boyfriend and a half is actually a pretty sweet deal compared to the previous situation.

@lt.swampfox7339

6 ай бұрын

Truly a Hannah Montana situation

@Child_of_the_Void

19 күн бұрын

Is it polyamorus if they literally share a body?

"Romance is easy. Everybody knows that. There's nothing simpler and more painless than forging a lifelong mutualistic bond with another human being and exposing the white-hot core of your fundamental personhood to the unconditional judgement of someone who will on some level always be a stranger to you. Romance is a well-documented line from prolonged eye contact to happily ever after." -Red, Overly Sarcastic Productions This just felt like a quote I needed to write down. The dripping sarcasm, just wow 👌😩

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

😁 It's a good line!!!

@TheTinman1996

4 ай бұрын

Dripping? Bub, that sarcasm is CASCADING!

@daviddaugherty2816

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheTinman1996 Might you say it's... _overly_ sarcastic?

"Stories don't need to be realistic, or healthy, or emotionally well-adjusted, or good examples for real-world behavior - they just need to be interesting." Thank you so much for saying this. Been fighting about this for a while.

@deerinheadlights7179

2 жыл бұрын

yes, damn it, i am glad to find someone else mentioning that as well

@Eon2641

2 жыл бұрын

The only time it's fair to criticize a story over showing bad behaviour is when the story tries to pretend it's good behaviour. Morally complicated or evil characters are 100% fine, but those same characters are kinda f*cked when their moral complexities are framed as objectively, unassailably good by the story itself.

@lunapond7652

2 жыл бұрын

I swear anyone who complains about enemies to lovers needs to hear this so bad. It's fiction, it's entertainment, no I wouldn't marry someone who is trying/tried to kill me in real life.

@evanellis9178

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eon2641 tru. Its ok to have people do bad stuff in stories, it only becomes a bad thing to do when you pretend it ISNT a bad thing.

@curiousKuro16

2 жыл бұрын

@evan Ellis Agree, and also uncritical readings of those stories and people mapping them onto real life are more of a problem than the fact that someone wrote the story.

"Stories don't need to be realistic, or healthy, or emotionally well-adjusted, or good example of real-world behavior - they just need to be interessing" THANK YOU! You got a subscriber with that one, so many people forget about it while writing T_T

@Mecharnie_Dobbs

2 жыл бұрын

More people forget about it while criticising writing.

@SwordTune

2 жыл бұрын

Mostly amateur or hobbyist writers.

@monsieurdorgat6864

2 жыл бұрын

This is true, but there is truth to the idea that portraying a bad thing as if it was a good thing does reveal whether you have some weird morals. This is earnestly one of the most dangerous things about entertainment media. A bad message in a good story can make people internalize bad morals. A good message in a bad story can make people spiteful against a good message because it was portrayed badly. "Birth of a Nation" was considered a revolutionary film. It also skyrocketed the KKK's popularity. Big oof.

@greason

2 жыл бұрын

And that is why the majority of MCs i read about are badass but horrible people. Cus the interactions are funny and the fights are ruthless. Eg, Advanced player of the tutorial tower, i get stronger the more i eat, transmigrated 66,666 years, magic emperor. I could go on. (These are all online comics btw, trust me, the MCs are hilarious)

@em5522

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mecharnie_Dobbs then you have those who try to disguise their distaste for certain subject matters with a "what abt the children" argument, but in content that's clearly meant for a mature audience who should already know better.

Every love triangle ive read has a good twist for the first 15-30 chapters (in case of manga, webtoons) and then devolves into overdone content that makes me want to hurt people.

@yuvalgabay1023

Жыл бұрын

Mee remembering the 150 long love traingle arc in komi san that made 2/3 od the fandom to quit the manga

@kardnails8729

Жыл бұрын

Every time. Now, I enjoy love triangles myself, but the authors don't know when to stop milking.

@timothymclean

Жыл бұрын

Misread that as "devolves into overdone combat". Which is weird, because fight scenes are a relatively rare way to resolve love triangles.

@yuvalgabay1023

Жыл бұрын

@@timothymclean this is now an actual interesting love traingle. A love battle royal

@aweirdoandaphone4135

11 ай бұрын

It’s okay, you can say True Beauty

When ever I see a love triangle, I see it as "the obvious choice" and "the childhood friend"

@adriftinglink

Жыл бұрын

The hunger games approach TM

red missed one: when B & C are fighting over A, but suddenly A is shown to be in an actually healthy but unknown relationship with character D, who has been a somewhat background character up to that point

@nobody5333

2 жыл бұрын

The best part is when character B and C are realizing this fact at the height of or just after their final conflict.

@marocat4749

2 жыл бұрын

That movie with meryl streep, nruce willis and the other aczress. And immortality.

@Maria.Annette

2 жыл бұрын

But what if, and just hear me out on this one, after realizing that A is happy with D, B and C just start hanging out, and end up falling in love with each other instead.

@The_Industry

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maria.Annette Ah, a helpless romantic I see... Can't say I blame you.

@Punaparta

2 жыл бұрын

I read one story where the premise was that characters B & C were both secretly pining for each other, while at the same time utterly convinced that the other is pining for character A. So both of them had decided to sacrifice their own happiness by, essentially, B trying to convince A of what a great person C is, and vice versa. Then, halfway through the story, A's _actual_ love interest, character D, showed up. And the fun part was that despite A having no idea of what was up with B & C, D manages to figure out the whole plot only from A's description of weird behaviour exhibited by them. So D meets B & C and goes on to make out with A right in front of them (to A's embarrassment) and somehow this leads to B & C ending up together.

I think this is the first Trope Talk where Red didn’t mention Avatar, which is funny since Korra has such a unique love triangle. It starts out as a bog-standard mock triangle, but then the characters recognize that their situation is unhealthy and not worth it, break it off entirely, grow closer as friends, and it ends with the two girls in a relationship with the guy as the awkward but well -meaning friend.

@jonnestyronicha497

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah haha those are my favorite love triangles, where two characters of the same gender (preferrably both boys bc I'm gay lol) fight over another character of the opposite gender but end up falling in love with one another. It's weirdly uncommon, both because it's not straight so the mass heterosexual audience aren't a big fan of it, and because most queer authors who do love triangles typically do them with all members as one gender, a character choosing between love interests of different genders, nonbinary/genderfluid characters, or polyamory.

@monsieurromanbedlam5101

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonnestyronicha497 you actaully know stories like that? Where in a love triangle the two boys get together?

@catherinepoteat

2 жыл бұрын

Ok but the breakup scenes are so good. They’re all extremely uncomfortable and cringe, but it’s so important to show break up scenes. It’s so important to show that these characters have changed since the beginning of the relationships, and cannot be together because of reasons. Like, Korra and Mako fight, which is so good, but then they have a serious discussion, and it is so good to portray that stuff, because it showed that they could still be friends, and everything will still be awkward, but it’s ok.

@brandonlyon730

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, I always found Asami to be boring. Post season 1 she barely have a point being there other then provide money and transportation for the team, and be eye candy. Had Asami been a guy would’ve anyone have cared about that romance with Korra in the end if it was a normal straight relationship? I wished they went with her originally being an equalist spy working with her father, it would’ve made her more interesting, and maybe give her a redemption arc after the equalists fall.

@jonnestyronicha497

2 жыл бұрын

@@monsieurromanbedlam5101 Lol fun fact, the only story like that which I know of isn't actually a love triangle, it's something more of a spy agency which hired two male orphans to win the affections of a very important girl--the boys ended up falling for each other, but I don't think it really counts as a love triangle (it's The Love Interest by Cale Dietrich if you're interested). Aside from that, I've literally never read a story like that. Although I've definitely tried to write one (and quickly lost steam bc of writer's block but never mind that haha)

Concept: A and B are competing for C, except they fall in love with eachother first and their main goal is to establish a polycule with C.

@cheskaarana6097

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the new Gossip Girl. The longtime het couple accidentally realize they both have been pining for their other openly pan friend. The guy in the couple subsequently realizes he's bi and the girl genuinely supports him exploring it. Some random threesomes later (which the friend helped them jumpstart it and helped them work out the two's communication issues), the couple both realize they actually don't want just some stranger threesomes, they want throuple with the friend. Sorry if I can't explain it as well as I'd like to.

@solsystem1342

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that that's a healthy setup. Sort of unicorn hunting feeling. I'd rather see them start to all develop feelings for eachother through their collective shenanigins, only to eventually confess their feelings and hash things out into polyamory. Ie: basically they all end up forming a friend group and rather then competing they all end up growing closer naturally through external struggles or something.

@maucazalv903

2 жыл бұрын

I'm watching iron-blood orphans and the Atra/Mika/Kudelia dynamic KIND OF do this? Like, at one point the crew meets a guy with a harem, and one of the girls explains that some people have too much to give that they can share it with people and at that point, Atra accepts the idea of the three of them being together I say "kind of" because Mika is the "weird-cold" type of protagonist so I have no idea if he is interested in one of them in the first place (he kisses Kudelia at some point but according to him it was purely "you look cute" and minutes before he witnessed the guy of the harem saying that with death living people seems more beautiful and BEFORE that he was questioning if he was becoming into a killing machine so I'm 50% that he only kiss her to feel something besides "it feels cool to kill people.... *what did I just say?* ?") and also Atra seems to be the only one that knows that they are in a "triangle situation" xd

@sweetlittlenothing7696

Жыл бұрын

And then C is revealed to be aroace and just wants to stay friends with the both of them.

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

or: B and C are both competing for A, but C also has a secret crush on B. A’s affection may or may not be reciprocated

Imagine a love triangle where A and B are just friends with no interest in each other, and c is just an obsessed creep that wants one or both and assumes theyre dating.

@porcellaneousfankus3428

Жыл бұрын

huh

@bananabanana484

Жыл бұрын

Kinda sounds like a neat dissection. Might be hard to pull of though

@braindavidgilbert3147

11 ай бұрын

@@bananabanana484 unless C is a bad guy

@joyflameball

11 ай бұрын

@@braindavidgilbert3147 Antagonist doesn't mean "bad guy." The antagonist is the guy who opposes the protagonist, who's the main character.

@braindavidgilbert3147

11 ай бұрын

@@joyflameball yeah your right, whoops

“Romance is easy. Everybody knows that.” The sarcasm is strong today.

@Row_of_E

2 жыл бұрын

You can't NOT be sarcastic when mentioning love triangles

@airplanes_aren.t_real

2 жыл бұрын

It was a real "username checks out" moment

@Username-cs1bi

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think they are being..... _overly sarcastic??_ ....I'll see myself out.

Concept: A balanced triangle where C starts to become a villain, except A is super into it and ends up joining C on their journey to the dark side

@nathanjereb9944

2 жыл бұрын

Then both kill B since they both found out that B was toxic

@zokerovextis6768

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanjereb9944 Then they live happily ever after ruling their evil empire

@thatrandomweeb

Жыл бұрын

See now that's romance I'm interested in

@uselessgay2341

Жыл бұрын

someone write a book about this

@zokerovextis6768

Жыл бұрын

@@uselessgay2341 challenge accepted

Ok so what if: A B and C are in mock love triangle. A and B end up together. C loses and chooses A's happiness. B dies. C has to explore how to comfort and help A instead of focusing on their own interests and feelings.

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

or: A, B, and C are in a mock love triangle, but C ALSO has a secret crush on B. A and B get together, but something happens that knocks A out of the picture (death, kidnapping, whatever) for a little bit. B and C have to work together, and eventually B develops a crush on C too. then they both confess their feelings and end up falling in love while grieving/rescuing/doing whatever over A.

@toe_sucker_4165

Жыл бұрын

@@wren_. I think something kinda like that happened in season 2 of Harley Quinn

@solsystem1342

Жыл бұрын

@@wren_. so then the node character actually ends up being B in a V relationship instead of A. That's genius.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

I saw a mini series like that!

@xyzharrishuang

7 ай бұрын

​@@wren_.TVD But it's not secret, it's really obvious

Seriously, I need to write a story with a balanced love triangle where the node character dies and the rivals forge an unbreakable friendship through their shared grief. That would be super interesting.

@lonestarr1490

Жыл бұрын

If you say so..

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about rivals, but in real life shared grief is sometimes the catalyst for a relationship developing.

@trinat3074

Жыл бұрын

Vampire Diaries likes doing this with siblings lol

@solsystem1342

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a story like this where the characters are openly exploring their options (ie: not exclusive yet) but form a deep bond with eachother. Then this story about healing and grief for the partner/friend that they lost. That'd be a really unique exploration of grief, dating and, love

@karmachan4374

10 ай бұрын

The Lorien Legacies kinda did that, but no spoilers, go read the books.

"You're not dealing with the average Love Triangle anymore. Behold, the Love Tesseract!" --A commenter I saw describing the insane and incestuous romances of Revolutionary Girl Utena

@daemondesiree6935

2 жыл бұрын

Also Negima, especially if you add UQ holder into the mix.

@PeanutStrawberry

2 жыл бұрын

Not to nit pick, like Nando V Movies podcast 'Mostly Nitpicking', but should't it be a Pentachore? A 4D Pyramid?

@mementomori7160

2 жыл бұрын

"incestuous romances" that looks interesting(not a joke or anything, I like the incest romance, don't ask why, my best answer is "it's a fetish, just like feet or bdsm"), gonna check it out

@maxanderson3733

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry what

@BawonoSA173

2 жыл бұрын

@@mementomori7160 you're not familiar with a particular Greek tragedy? Or Zeus?

Tangentially related: To this day I wish the original Star Wars trilogy was released today just to see the meltdown that would occur when it's revealed that 'Luia' are siblings.

@chrisschirripa5917

2 жыл бұрын

That what also makes the OG awesome. I mean aside from many things

@airplanes_aren.t_real

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like half of the fandom would be grossed out and stop shipping while the other keeps doing it but way more

@grzegorzha.

2 жыл бұрын

That would be so hilarious.

@axios4702

2 жыл бұрын

"Luia"... God the cringe... Agh!

@artemiswolf4508

2 жыл бұрын

God twitter would have exploded

The biggest problem I have with love triangles is that the love rival is often a much better match than the love interest. The resolution makes no sense and i wonder how long the romantic couple will last once the story ends.

@lonestarr1490

Жыл бұрын

The biggest problem I have with love triangles is that they're mock triangles and I'm C.

@andresmartinezramos7513

Жыл бұрын

​@@lonestarr1490 mock part comes into play by having you involved

@ieatcheese361

Жыл бұрын

the biggest part of a love triangle that im in the square

@rodrigorodriguez509

7 ай бұрын

​@@lonestarr1490 real

@facecat1

2 ай бұрын

Heck, even if the rival isn't a better match, it can still be frustrating if the rival is a much more interesting character

Having just read Iron Widow, boy am I glad to see a reference to the (welcomed) twist that was the whole polyamorous thing

There's one more solution that wasn't touched on: The "Troy and Abed" solution where B and C have a formal agreement to pursue A equally and fairly and let A decide between them after a set period of time.

@jooree7696

2 жыл бұрын

Community is always right. Expecially Troy and Abed.

@0bsidianfire948

2 жыл бұрын

There's a webcomic I really like (My Dear Cold-Blooded King) that goes this route. Two adoptive brothers who are both interested in the same girl *discuss* with her that they are doing this and that they'll respect her decision in the end... and the girl agrees. What makes this work though is the mutual respect between all parties about the girl's opinion. And the girl is on the more logical side, so when she finally thinks through the decision, everyone knows she's not making it rashly. There's also enough story happening *after* she makes the decision that we get to see the changed relationship dynamics between the three of them and how her decision was the "right" one beyond "two hot people got together". Essentially, the author did her work to develop everyone's characters far beyond "interested in x person" and it paid off rather well.

@zainmudassir2964

2 жыл бұрын

Troy and Abed are the best!

@timothymclean

2 жыл бұрын

This might just be me, but "We won't sabotage each other and will respect our mutual crush's decision on who to date" seems like a _really_ weird thing to need a formal agreement.

@maseoembry4165

2 жыл бұрын

Didn’t that triangle end when the Librarian called Abed weird and Troy got offended?

“Don’t try this at home” should be added to any story that involve love triangle. In my early teen my love interest is ruined because of all the Harem anime I watched. Took me years to realized that none of that could ever happens.

@BJGvideos

Жыл бұрын

Wait why did you think it could?

@ryzikx

Жыл бұрын

@@BJGvideos because he was young? and young people can believe anything

@BJGvideos

Жыл бұрын

@@ryzikx Early teens though.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

😮Honestly I can't stand love triangles in fiction. Parents should definitely talk to their kids! Never imitate movies or novels...if not for the simple reason that it's impossible for your real life to be the same "plot" as these fictional stories.

@Jono997

Жыл бұрын

@@BJGvideos Tbh, with how much of a naive fuck I was in my teens, I can see that happening.

I wish you had brought up Luke, Leia, and Han. Which is a flipping of the “seperated C” triangle, where Luke and Leia would appear to be the forgone conclusion, with Han as the outsider, but by the end, they’ve pulled a twist on us, breaking off that possibility, allowing for Han to swoop in and upset the assumption. Similarly, I would have included Quasimodo in this category, as he, being the main character, would be assumed to be the one to get the girl in the end.

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

honestly, I’m not a big fan of those love triangles were the only solution is to destroy one of the angles. I get what Star Wars was going for, but watching it back just feels icky

@Cartoonicus

Жыл бұрын

@@wren_. I'm just refering to situations where the shared love interest doesn't go to the character you would have normally assumed. The result in Star Wars, is that instead of automatically giving the main character the love interest, they instead put her with the less expected character, and Luke's story, instead gets to focus on the relationship with his father.

My personal favorite version of the Love Triangle is the variant of "A loves B, but is societally bound to C." Where C is actually a close friend to both A and B, and actually encourages the two's romance while helping keep it secret from society. It's very rare, and I can't even recall any stories that do it, even though I know it HAS been done before. (I call it a "Facade Triangle" because it technically isn't a real love triangle, but the characters have to pretend that it IS one for the conflict)

@NEWFIExGAMING

2 жыл бұрын

The Fate/ series did this with Lancelot, Gwynivere & Arthur (Artoria). Artoria being biologically female and heterosexual doesn't really have a romantic interest in Gwynivere like in the normal Arthurian mythos, allowing Lancelot & Gwynivere's love in secret. however, She (Artoria) is later societally bound to go to war against him, after their affair was ousted to the public, in a blind attempt to uphold her image as "King"

@amberdent651

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the beloved "I let my queen bang my bodyguard because I'm not particularly interested in her anyway and it makes things easier" trope. Bonus points if C isn't straight anyway, so it's no skin off their nose if A and B get together. Extra bonus points if, as stated, all three are close friends and the tension comes from outsiders trying to ascertain what's going on with the whole deal. Maybe C can't be outed, or A & B's kids can't be found out to be illegitimate, or outsiders are assuming they're poly and that's not acceptable, etc etc. It can be really fun.

@Gboy86ify

2 жыл бұрын

So C is a cuckold then?

@UnreasonableOpinions

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gboy86ify Not in this context because they are only partners for tax purposes, if you will, though the threat of being called one may add some drama to proceedings. In stories it seems to get used by beard relationships or arranged marriages more often than most.

@angelaphsiao

2 жыл бұрын

That’s definitely fun, but also not at all a love triangle if C isn’t actually interested in A or B.

Ah yes, an easy trope to force conflict on our main characters.

@Ajehy

2 жыл бұрын

And piss off half the fan base.

@comixproviderftw_02

2 жыл бұрын

@Leo the Anglo-Filipino Kiss From A Rose by Seal

@SonsOfLorgar

2 жыл бұрын

And completely unnessesarily fuck up multiple generations of people by misrepresenting posessiveness and jealousy as if it's love.

@starmaker75

2 жыл бұрын

Also this just makes me wished bad writing writing advice would do a collab

@USSAnimeNCC-

2 жыл бұрын

Here an idea have character have a relationship already explore that or explore polygamy how does affect relationship with everyone around said character instead

Concept: An UNO reverse card is used on the directional love triangle and each character starts to change their minds on who they like

@cushionedanger125

10 ай бұрын

replace uno cards with fairies and you've got yourself a midsummer night's dream

@intelligencecube6752

2 ай бұрын

This is called Cupid shooting himself in the foot 😅😂

Triangle idea; have B and C be enemies and are overly obsessed with A to a unhealthy level, but A isn't into neither and wants nothing to do with them.

@sabreman8546

5 ай бұрын

So, the end of Super Mario Odyssey?

Dang it ! I can't even read "Love Triangle" anymore without thinking about Terrible Writing Advice lol

@lazulenoc6863

2 жыл бұрын

All according to plan.

@cameoshadowness7757

2 жыл бұрын

Dead ass! I'm the same!

@samhovey3200

2 жыл бұрын

Was expecting him to pop up

@readingking1421

2 жыл бұрын

I'm kinda stunned he doesn't have a dedicated video out for it tbh.

@Nzosaba_Matenge

2 жыл бұрын

@@readingking1421 he does

You know there's a problem when you're romance starts to sound more like trigonometry.

@Duiker36

2 жыл бұрын

It's a sine of the times.

@danielschott4639

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, don't get me started on that tangent.

@RacingSnails64

2 жыл бұрын

Good point actually lol!

@macknight2352

2 жыл бұрын

so true, I cosine this statement

@popstarchamp

2 жыл бұрын

As long as the affection between two of the people involved are equilateral I think it'll be alright

The one video one could expect to be a TWA crossover...

@andygravelle2202

Жыл бұрын

Terrible Writing Advice would be the expert on this subject

“It’s impossible for this one to be entirely straight” Shakespeare: Aight bet-

"The most important writing trope." -Terrible Writing Advice.

They say that if you you look in a mirror and say Love Triangle three times, you will summon the eldritch God known as JP, God of Terrible Writing Advice himself.

@chickenman6308

2 жыл бұрын

I can almost hear him yelling about something I don’t understand.

@viruschris3160

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t even know who that is.

@sarahvunkannon7336

2 жыл бұрын

@@viruschris3160 Terrible Writing Advice is another KZread channel that discusses various tropes and story types and writing techniques. He does so by pretending to give really bad advice, advising you to do something and then sarcastically describing all the negative effects it will have as good things and/or "oh that'll NEVER happen!" This backwards style is actually really good for giving you some solid advice on what to do, as well as what to avoid and why you should avoid it. It's animated, the creator has the perfect voice to make this style of advice sound hilarious, and there are a lot of jokes in his videos. I recommend it if you enjoy this channel and wouldn't mind content just like this but funnier.

@viruschris3160

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahvunkannon7336 I see. Thank you. I shall check him out.

@thefurry7165

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarahvunkannon7336 the issue is that a lot of the time, the dude isn't even describing bad tropes or anything, he just rants(?) about tropes he doesn't like and makes them look bad by trying to create the worst possible example of that trope, unlike Red here who usually provides examples of tropes done both well and wrong and actually explains why things work or don't work

Yes! Terrible Writing Advices favorite trope of all time! 😁✨

@reanamacdougall

2 жыл бұрын

Power fantasy like 😐

@mathsethorus89.5

Жыл бұрын

And yet she never mentions him. Im disappointed

Well now, I'm really curious how you'd classify the following idea. A and B love each other. B then dies. A then meets C and C immediately falls in love and A looks like they will follow suit once they get over their B related grief. B is then discovered to not actually be dead (or was resurrected), but has to be rescued from [villains, amnesia, etc] and over the course of that rescue, A's feelings for B become inescapable obvious. A and B are the obvious endgame. Yes I've consumed a story which played out like this and I'm not sure how it gets classified or if it even counts as a love triangle (true or mock).

@rrrr-im9oz

Жыл бұрын

if something is unique then it's not a trope therefore it doesn't need a classification lol sorry

@ijimenez1951

Жыл бұрын

The movie Pearl Harbor has a similar plot to this. I don’t really remember the outcome but you can google it

@ijimenez1951

Жыл бұрын

Ok so I google it and basically after B “dies” A and C (B’s best friend) get together and when B returns it’s clear that A loves him more than C BUT A has become pregnant with C as the father and A doesn’t wants to ruin her unborn family so A and C are trapped with each other. B and C later go to war and C dies so A does back with B and together take care of C’s baby.

@lieselrose8147

Жыл бұрын

I say Vestigial love intrest because we have an obvious end game with C getting in the way, or ex lovers with A actually getting back together with the ex

@victorlemos3649

Жыл бұрын

Xenoblade?

Flash back to the girl I liked in high school that had a revolving door of suitors that she kept just close enough to always get free things from them without actually committing to anyone. Turns out my love triangle was actually a pentagram...

@thomasffrench3639

2 жыл бұрын

You played yourself. Unfortunately I was stuck on a girl who lost interest in me sophomore year, when I had so many other options.

@cheskaarana6097

2 жыл бұрын

F

@northernpuffer9222

Жыл бұрын

Grindset girlboss.

@gunarsmiezis9321

Жыл бұрын

How prity was she?

@gunarsmiezis9321

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasffrench3639 I had 0 options in basic school, and only ever had a crush on one girl in middle school, who was single but we wherent each others type.

This video was already 18 minutes long, so I understand why Miraculous Ladybug’s unique “love square” didn’t get an honorable mention. Still, it’s a hilarious solution to the “conga line” in which all four nodes are two people, and they somehow managed to add two MORE nodes (Lila and Luka) for good measure. Truly Paris is the city of love.

@nathanjereb9944

2 жыл бұрын

Or the city of romance conflict

@guggelguggel7491

2 жыл бұрын

The disrespect on Kagami smh 😔

@samkeiser9776

2 жыл бұрын

Of you want to get technical you have the square, Adrian/cat noir -> ladybug, Marinette/Ladybug -> adrian. But both Marinette and Adrian have a few extra characters who are in love with them either as one shot villains, drama bait, or romantic rivals that clearly have no chance (usually for Marinette) I’m not sure what the show is actually going for, but watching the characters bumble around it all is very humorous for all the wrong reasons.

@pancakeandwaffle4849

2 жыл бұрын

Now with the invention of Multi Mouse and Kuro Neko it’s actually a love hexagon I think

@jamscharacteranalyst5161

Жыл бұрын

@@pancakeandwaffle4849 Cat Walker. Adrien's other identity is Cat Walker. Also, people usually ship Aspik and Multimouse

My personal favorite resolution to the “B and C both fight for A’s affection” is when B and C just say screw it and get together instead

@edentheachiever

6 ай бұрын

good to know everyone in this comment section has watched Korra

My favorite love 'triangle' was actually simultaneously a straight line and a square, in Miraculous Ladybug and Cat Noir, Marinette and Adrien are the superheroes, in love with either each other's civilian or hero identities, but never in a way that could cause them to realize the others true identity.

Here’s one way to destroy a love triangle: Have all thre parties agree it’s stupid, get them each a separate love interest, or quit on romance, and become a core friend group. It can even be an origin story for why these old characters are so chummy with each other.

@axios4702

2 жыл бұрын

"Like that could ever happen"

@tobistein6639

2 жыл бұрын

“So how’d your little adventuring party come together?” “Well, we *used* to come together, now we just slay dragons.”

@albanfluffanimation7688

2 жыл бұрын

Or Polygamy

@PhoenixAgent003

2 жыл бұрын

Filing that one away for later.

@ICircuit64

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda happened in HIMYM

There's also the Star Wars method of resolving a love triangle, by revealing one branch of the triangle to be incestuous.

@lynxfresh5214

2 жыл бұрын

Incest aside it's still awkward when siblings are involved in the same love triangle. Let's say B and C are siblings and both are in love with A meaning B and C have romantic love for A while both naturally having familial love for each other. Honestly it puts A in an impossible situation and often leads to unnecessary drama that can damage any future plotlines.

@marocat4749

2 жыл бұрын

Not always a hinderance.

@shadowofdimentio4618

2 жыл бұрын

@@lynxfresh5214 It also tends to really hurt A's character and our investment when B and C prioritize their relationship with A over each other. Like, B saves A instead of C and everyone is like "that makes sense, cus he likes A". I'm sorry, you are literally related and love C and have only met A like a week ago and they have done nothing but say how much they like one thing and that they are interested in you. Please for the love of god think about your sibling as more than rival jesus.

@zigzaghyena3633

2 жыл бұрын

​@@shadowofdimentio4618 Yeah, B and C cutting and running from the triangle is really the only good way to end that. Even still A's character may be soured in the eyes of the audience.

@thomasffrench3639

2 жыл бұрын

Or as I like to call it, lazy writing.

1:30 The inverse balanced triangle is great when it turns out A was never intrested in either of them. For an example it turns A was married all along.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

😂 I don't think I've heard of this one.

@DaDunge

Жыл бұрын

@@deborahminter6231 it's common in sitcoms.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

@@DaDunge 👍

@Reiiven

10 ай бұрын

Or If A was actually Aromantic

I remember this western that was playing at my Grandma’s one time and it had an unexpected love triangle. There was this Greek girl who’s father arranged for her to marry a much older widower who had emigrated to the States. However when the girl arrives, her betrothed can’t bring himself to marry her, but he doesn’t want to end the engagement, so he sets her up as a live-in companion for the niece of a non-Greek friend until he makes up his mind. The girl and niece become friends and the niece is shocked to find that the girl is completely fine with arranged marriage, because tradition and culture. However, a guy much closer to the girl’s age develops a crush on the girl, who appears to return his affection. You’d think the story would end with the girl picking the guy over the widower, that’s what I thought. However, the girl develops a motherly bond with the widower’s children and picks her fiancé. The guy, who’s related to I think the Sheriff, gets jealous, racism ensues, and the motherly bond grows. The movie ends with the widower and the girl dating (“courting American style”), and the guy letting her go and the town becomes less racist.

"Bonded to one, in love with another." The classic Lancelot-Guenevere -Arthur triangle. Subverted in Marion Zimmer Bradley's Mists of Avalon, where Lancelot was in love with Arthur and having Arthur's wife was the closest he could get in that milieu.

@cygnahoshiko4629

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, the T.H. White version was pretty...there's nothing preventing you from reading it as "this is a polyamorous relationship, but society gives them no way to explain it as such".

@Athena963

2 жыл бұрын

Also subverted in High noon over Camelot by the mechanisms. They're just openly poly and it's great.

@Kagomai15

2 жыл бұрын

The Mechanisms's album High Noon Over Camelot has the three of them in a relationship together. "Blood and Whiskey" is their song, it's really good. The whole album is really good. We even get trans rep from Mordred :D

@MrJethroha

2 жыл бұрын

The immortal triangle as it is called is reinterpreted in every major iteration of Arthurian legends that comes out. In T.H. White's classic retelling, the triangle goes through multiple versions. In the beginning, Lance and Gwen actually regard each other as rivals for Arthur's attention! It also intimately involves Lancelot's relationship with Elaine (the mother of his son) and God, who White argues is the real third member of the immortal triangle instead of Arthur. Eventually the thing resolves on a "true-ish" triangle in which Arthur, Gwen, and Lance all love each other dearly and the arrangement is understood but unspoken until the machinations of Mordred breaks everything. If the ending of the story wasn't a foregone conclusion, at any one point it would be impossible to guess how the love triangle would resolve itself.

@petroslir4733

2 жыл бұрын

I read "boned to the bone" and I love it

The funniest kind of love triangles are the imaginary ones. This is when the author doesn't set a love triangle at all, shows no real romantic interest between A and B, intending from the start to have A and C end up together... But all of the fans want A and B together and insist there's romance there. There's no real love triangle in the story, fans just insert their own. What's even funnier is when the author puts only a one sided romantic sub-plot between A and C, develops a strong bond between A and B, leading many fans to think A and B will end up together despite no direct evidence that bond is in any way romantic, then suddenly puts A and C together without ever hinting that C's one sided romantic interest wasn't one sided.

@NEWFIExGAMING

2 жыл бұрын

this is a clear AoT callout and I'm all for it.

@mact9379

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of BLEACH, though admittedly I haven't read or watched it since around the time Aizen became a villain

@brxzbze

2 жыл бұрын

This is a lot of love triangles, actually

@mahirchowdhury4448

2 жыл бұрын

Naruto

@jacebralor

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda sounds like a call out of Harry Potter. Many fans were expecting Harry/Hermione, only for it to end up Harry/Ginny and Hermione/Ron pretty much out of nowhere in book six. Personally I suspect Molly was dosing people with love potions behind the scenes...

All of this talk about love-triangles/squares/pentagramms reminds me of a an idea for a story I once thought of. Basically the story would be a massive love-pentagramm, with all the parties actively sabotaging each other. The start would be like a fantasy tornament, a daughter of a very rich and powerful noble house would have her marriage-agreement anulled, thus being once again "available". The head of the house would, for the young ladies coming of age ceremony, host a great competition in her favor. Cue the "love-interests", a wandering knight, a wizard, some lords and even a very enterprising and not quite pious monk. Oh, and of course the former betrothed. Once the tournament has found an end, and the "node" of the pentagramm has to make a decision, who her husband shall be, she is promptly kidnapped by an evil mage, who wants to use her for a blood magic ritual. Since none of the "lovers" have been offically rejected, they ALL declare that they shall be the one to rescue her. Naturally that won't be so easy as they happen to be as inclined to sabotage each others attempts, as the enemy is to foil them. Of course the wider public won't really know that the seven heros who valiantly set out to save the realm are in reality a bunch of horndogs. On their journey they then find a few truly useful (read, interested in saving the princess for the sake of saving her) companions, that attempt to coordinate the this mess of a fellowship. But when Shagga-God-Eater and Nyl-the-Faceless-Terror are the only ones, that see the merit in stopping the army of demons currently devouring the duchy of munster, how likely are they to succeed? And what's about this weird prophecy, talking about a chosen one?

I experienced a love triangle irl. A balanced normal one. Let me tell ya, that shit sucked.

@lonestarr1490

Жыл бұрын

Because you ended up being C?

@lastmanstanding7155

Жыл бұрын

@@lonestarr1490 Nope. Unfortunately I was the target of attraction for both.

@greeneyeballs

Жыл бұрын

@@lastmanstanding7155i can’t even count to 2 idk how you can have that many people that want to bone you

@lastmanstanding7155

Жыл бұрын

For the person who replied but who comment got deleted my answer to you is: I don't really know. It might sound like a cool thing or like a bragging thing but it very much sucked because I was a young teen and I didn't really know how to go about it. In the end I hurt both. Not by trying to do the harem ending but because I just never confronted their feelings directly. I was too busy pretending and trying to do school. I liked both girls and probably would've even dated either but being in the center of that while in the same class made it difficult for me to want to act and in the end made it worst. It was a growing experience for me to really own my emotions as a man. But yea it's not like how novels or movies or shows make it seem.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

🤢 I hate love triangles in fiction...I couldn't imagine having to deal with it in real life.

Im in a love triangle myself. I love a girl, she loves nobody, and nobody loves me :)

@loloburns

2 жыл бұрын

Odysseus???

@nothingposted9056

2 жыл бұрын

You should get out of the girl's house before Nobody announces he's back, things might get gory

@Lily-ge4tm

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch. Hope you find love, fedora cat. 😺

@thecatinthefedora1201

2 жыл бұрын

@@loloburns lmfao, good one

@decayingsun5798

2 жыл бұрын

And in the vast expanse of the universe, a sound echoed through the cosmos: "oof".

This whole video I was like: “so when are we gonna address the dire wolf in the room (by which I mean Jacob from Twilight)”. Was not disappointed.

@BonaparteBardithion

2 жыл бұрын

He's the poster boy for character assassination and hand of author. Was waiting for him that whole section.

@Thenoobestgirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@BonaparteBardithion lol you haven't met Tamlin then, have you?

@BonaparteBardithion

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thenoobestgirl Not yet. Which series? I'll add it to the list if you think it's good.

@mariahhenderson1470

2 жыл бұрын

@@BonaparteBardithion it's from the book series a court of thorns and roses

@slayer0235

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thenoobestgirl Or Richard from Anita Blake Vampire -Humper- Hunter.

One of the most interesting ones i've seen is, B and C a in love with A who is actually not interested in either but plays along to help B and C realize that they are right for each other... it ends with B and C together with A as the matchmaker.

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

I think I’ve seen this… can you tell me a couple examples?

Here’s another variant, the Love Pyramid, I can really only think of one example: Warriors. Where Feathertail, Leafpool and Nightcloud all fall in love with Crowfeather, and the thing is, he ends up having kits with two of those three cats! And that isn’t even factoring Mothwing into this, who is often paired with Leafpool.

As a friendly neighborhood asexual, I always wondered why the love triangle in The Hunger Games didn’t bother me. I HATE this trope in most cases, but that one… well, it seemed to make sense, even to me. Now, thanks to this Trope Talk, I know. Turns out that ✨ thematic significance ✨ is a pretty big deal, even if the reader doesn’t notice it beyond the subconscious level. I just think that’s neat.

@shadowsableyexd2660

2 жыл бұрын

Real shame that the most of the other YA Dystopian authors only saw the love triangle instead of why it was important to the narrative

@swashhustler1326

2 жыл бұрын

People out here not realizing that the choice mirrors her choice between peace and war

@poankiyu7664

2 жыл бұрын

Also I'm pretty sure Suzanne Collins' publisher made her put it in and it isn't taken too seriously. Well it is a bit but it's definitely not the central point of the story.

@odayin_gold

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like there are other reasons, too, why this one works and others don't. For example, it makes sense that in her situation, Katniss can't decide. She really has other things on her mind, understandably so. Her relationship with Peeta was also more or less forced on her, she has to pretend all the time, which makes it difficult for her to figure out if she actually likes him. I think almost any trope can work if done well.

@fangsabre

2 жыл бұрын

@@poankiyu7664 I mean, if it was inserted into the first book and she had time to think about it in the second and third more that explains why it was better written later on

Totally correct, "Stories need to be interesting." Too many modern authors/writers don't get that. Also, twitter troll types will complain about how bad/toxic/immoral X, Y, or Z is in a story, while failing to recognized that this is fiction and interesting exploration of a topic/trope/idea is the point of the story.

@user-pi8pi3wj7h

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

The worst part is when people complain about the fact that the villain is bad. Yes, the bad guy is bad. That's why they're there. Literally the whole point of the story is that you should not be like this guy.

@wilfweNightsky

2 жыл бұрын

It's not just in stories, people genuinely believe games have to be more realistic with their mechanics instead of gameplay design and balancing

@bixmcgoo5355

2 жыл бұрын

what kinda soft skin do you have to have to think anyone saying something you like is bad is a troll? accept that you can have bad opinions.

@pn2294

2 жыл бұрын

Something that always annoys me about those that complain about toxic tropes like love triangles is that they like to focus on those relationships over the actual healthy ones It implies that they were more entertained by the toxic relationship that the healthy one

I want to write a love triangle where two valiant (male) knights are vying for the attention of a beautiful princess. But the princess isn’t interested in them. At some point the princess is kidnapped like princesses tend to be, and the two knights go to rescue her. Since they’re going in the same direction, they keep running into each other and start to form a bond. The form a friendship, and start to develop feelings for each other. When they rescue the princess, she’s kinda bummed because at this point it’s be kind of socially expected for her to marry one of them. But instead, the knights proclaim their love for each other. And everyone lives happily ever after. Princess can either stay single or find someone she actually likes, and the knights can be happy together

@soyjoyy

22 күн бұрын

Sounds great to me

The instrumental from kiss from a rose playing in the background while talking about love triangles fits so well. Now I can't help but visualize Vestigial C singing this song in a overly passionate manner while A and B are just minding their own business

"Stories don't need to be realistic or healthy or emotionally well-adjusted or good examples of real world behavior. They just need to be interesting." I feel like this is really important

@mykodibear17

2 жыл бұрын

It's interesting, because the problem isn't the stories themselves, it's that we live in a culture where those unhealthy thoughts/behaviors/relationships are perceived as normal, but then our culture perceives those things as normal in no small part because of the prominence of romanticizing unhealthy thoughts/behaviors/ relationships in those stories. It's kind of a catch-22. Maybe the romanticizing is the difference? Like, by all means write stories with drama and interest and unhealthy things happening, but do so while acknowledging that these things are inherently bad for the character? I mean, I'd love to read a book exactly like Twilight where the author and at least some of the characters acknowledge how messed up it all is. I feel like that'd just add more drama and tension. Imagine something like Twilight where Jacob isn't character assassinated, but instead is just genuinely concerned for the increasing abuse warning signs and has to try and get Bella to see it without pushing her so hard that she'll lock him out. It's still from Bella's perspective though so you get all the dramatic irony of her being in denial about it. That sounds waaaay more interesting than Twilight actually was.

@thomasffrench3639

2 жыл бұрын

@@mykodibear17 eh, but then it can come off as clunky and weak writing

@mykodibear17

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasffrench3639 Only if it's poorly written, but that goes for anything.

@thomasffrench3639

2 жыл бұрын

@@mykodibear17 that’s true, but sometimes it just can’t be integrated well into the story

Using Gale as an example about character assassination for a love triangle, his end result is totally in line with his behavior. He’s selfish, he actively undermines Katniss, and (the big one to her) can’t believe Peeta can come back to himself. He truly believes all Capitol civilians are evil and complicit, but sees at several turns that it’s blatantly not true. The end where he.. does his incredibly evil thing for “the common good” adds up when you consider that he never cared about casualty.

@alexanderguerrero347

2 жыл бұрын

True but wasn’t the point that Katniss was like Gale until she went to the capitol and started meeting people changing her opinion and winning the games and getting better. Where as Gale stayed in the district and at one point was whipped as a result of the capitol bearing down on district 12 because of katniss. Like it makes sense Gale goes deeper into the rabbit hole but not because he’s selfish but life just gave him a shitty hand.

@tannertadlock7741

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderguerrero347 yeah absolutely. His view is skewed by his experiences, as are her’s. And that’s important to the story and characters. But it defined the love triangle in those ways too. God I love those books.. really the best of the genre.

@Cheeseanonioncrisps

2 жыл бұрын

The most interesting thing though is that he doesn't actually *do* the evil thing Katniss ends up rejecting him for. Like (spoilers spoilers spoilers) he was not the one who ultimately chose to drop the bombs that killed Prim, or the one who ensured that she would be on the battlefield when they went off. In fact, it's never even 100% confirmed that her death was orchestrated by the rebels, and those bombs weren't just dropped by the Capitol, who could easily have come up with the same idea. But it doesn't matter, precisely because it all matches up so well with Gale's previous behaviour. Katniss doesn't need to know whether his specific bombs were the ones that killed Prim, because she knows (and has known for a very long time) that he is the type of person who would see bombs like that as acceptable to use. Prim's death doesn't actually reveal anything new about Gale's character and the way he thinks about the world, it just makes the consequences of that kind of personality and worldview that much more obvious, so that Katniss can't ignore them any longer.

@Rosie-yt8nd

2 жыл бұрын

yes, you understand the progression of his character. and it also serves a narrative purpose *besides* being Katniss's love interest. he shows how easy it is to fall into this way of thinking. to justify cruelty when its towards "the enemy". it raises the question "where do we draw the line?". and that if we don't, we risk becoming the next "them", like Coin is in the end. we all harbour the potential to be that. being good is a choice, and it can be really hard to hold onto.

@catherinepoteat

2 жыл бұрын

I personally don’t believe it’s character assassination because it was never a perfect love triangle. Katniss states from the beginning that Gale is like a brother, and that she never wants kids. Peeta is always pointed out to be significant to Katniss’s life in that he saves her, doesn’t just walk with her, he saves her from starvation and notices her singing and her dress and her hair and is so smart in that he can play up his love. And Katniss sees Peeta’s love and he makes her more gentle and kind and loving to the point where she CAN have kids, it’s such good character development for Katniss. Gale made Katniss strong enough to survive the Games, but Peeta made her strong enough to live afterwards.

My favorite is when neither B nor C is villainized- I think it makes the choice a lot more interesting, especially if B and C aren't even rivals (ie Jem and Will from the Infernal Devices)

@jawredstoneguy6058

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was actually going to comment how the infernal devices had a love triangle that I actually found really enjoyable.

9:45 - "For instance, if the heroes have to save the world from destruction, the question is not "will they succeed" - because of course they will" . . *Sweats in Devilman Crybaby*

Great video but you forgot the third solution: B and C realize how stupid the love triangle is and both renounce A while becoming close friends in the process . And in the ultimate form of irony, B and C end up being the endgame couple. Yes, I’m talking about Legend of Korra

@BrickBreakerXX

2 жыл бұрын

*cough cough* even though Mako’s relationships kinda ended after season 2 and even then Korra was by far the most toxic one in the relationship by forcing herself on Mako while dating Bolin *cough cough*

@brandonjohnson633

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrickBreakerXX That was all the way back in season one. And it still doesn’t excuse what Mako did while Korra was having amnesia

@catsinwonderland7473

2 жыл бұрын

That was the best direction possible, Mako is the most insufferable piece of sh*t

@angeldude101

2 жыл бұрын

This is one of the New Game+ screens for Xenoblade 2: C shoving A out of the picture to take B1 and B2 for herself.

@budgetbrick5124

2 жыл бұрын

Legend of korra couple's were stupid in general and they half ass the last one so yeah i don't think that's an example you should use

One point I'm genuinely surprised Red didn't really touch on* is that the relationship between B and C should be almost as important as that between either of them and A. If B and C have no dynamic beyond both wanting to smooch A, their competition loses _so_ much dramatic potential. It's like the difference between a shonen hero fighting their childhood friend who slid into villainy, and a shonen hero fighting some strong guy that wants to blow up the world or something. Example from this season's anime: My Dress-Up Darling seems to be setting up a love triangle between: Gojo, a dude who's really good at making clothes; Kitagawa, an aspiring cosplayer; and Sajuna, an established cosplayer who's impressed by the costume Gojo made for Kitagawa. If Kitagawa and Sajuna were just competing over Gojo's affection and needle, Sajuna would just be an irritating complication. But Kitagawa is a _huge_ fan of Sajuna's cosplay, to an extent that Sajuna finds kind of irritating. This is bound to develop into a friendship or professional rivalry that's _far_ more interesting than just "We have to be in the same room sometimes because both of us like Gojo" ever could be. *She sort of brushes against it at several points, but never really makes a point about it.

@alexandermostepan8891

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is, this further proves how difficult Love Tri is, since many people will be more fascinated by their rivalry than actual romance with Protag. Which should still matter.

@slowmonet

2 жыл бұрын

"...affection and needle" *ZING*

@Rita-kx3yr

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly if the rivalry is too interesting, I start shipping the rivals together instead. lol

@MrGksarathy

2 жыл бұрын

Another great example is Komi Can't Communicate, in which both Komi and Manbangi are super into Tadano, but they are also best friends and good friends with Tadano. I especially love how the two of them affirmed that their friendship is more important than any love rivalry.

@AdeptArcanist

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! My ideal love triangle is one where the three points all have close relationships with one another and hopefully a good dynamic as a group too, so that B and C’s friendship is as important to them as their rivalry - or even better, where they’re *all* bi so that the “obvious” love triangle slowly turns into a true choice love triangle where all three is both presented with a choice and sort of competing with both other characters until they *finally* realize that polyamory is an option and they can all just live together. :p

The Poly ending is great when its done well. And then there's the original Harem anime, Tenchi Muyo, in which the house cat gets involved in the polycule. THE HOUSE CAT.

@MrTigracho

Жыл бұрын

I have seen a series in which they pull it off well, and it would have been done amazingly, but alas, that anime almost everyone died except for the MC´s lovers who were among the survivors. That series´s focus wasn´t love anyway, but still

Vestigial love triangles always give my heart an emotional attack because C usually is in love with A but it's one sided and if they help B out with getting together with A because they care more about A's happiness than there own, I just find it so sweet

One fun quote from No Evil: "they're not a love triangle, they're a love line segment with a very ambitious point."

@veggiedragon1000

2 жыл бұрын

Yeee, a fellow No Evil fan, kinda rare to see outside the direct community.

@emperorrevan6992

2 жыл бұрын

Majority of all love triangles described with one sentence.

@jjtomecek1623

2 жыл бұрын

You simply can't NOT read that in Kitty's voice

@angeldude101

2 жыл бұрын

When I first heard about the love triangle, I just could not understand how it was a triangle when it was just three nodes in a line. The cyclic love triangle was pretty much the only one that actually looked like a triangle to me.

@dandelionmosssycamore8218

2 жыл бұрын

Shout out to all NoEvil fans!

I would love to see this channel interact with Terrible Writing Advice one of these days.

@timothymclean

2 жыл бұрын

This woulda been the perfect episode to do it, what with TWA's running gag. Hm. Would you rather see Red in TWA's artstyle or vise versa?

@finaldusk1821

2 жыл бұрын

Trope Talks: How NOT to write crossovers! (ft. JP)

@jakec9522

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a No Way Home level crossover. 😊

@flockinify

2 жыл бұрын

The real irony is that Terrible Writing Advice is generally more sarcastic than Overly Sarcastic Productions.

@senpieloven

2 жыл бұрын

That'd be amazing

My wife and I when we see a love triangle: "JUST BE POLY!!!"

@rwbybomb2160

Жыл бұрын

an incredibly obvious issue with this: a polygamous relationship requires all three - or more - people to be in love with each other. A, B, and C need to have some attraction to each other for the polygamy option to even show itself, let alone be a viable option. in most, if not all, love triangles, A is a male and B and C are females, or A is a female and B and C are males. even if all three are females and gayer than rainbows, attraction goes beyond physical. A, for example, could like how C looks but prefer B as a romantic partner while C might find B pretty but wants A and doesn't like the idea of sharing. even if B and C are aware of their mutual attraction to each other and A, in the end both want A and, more than likely, don't want to share or cohabit a relationship. you can't just 'go into a poly relationship' without taking to account the ridiculously complicated logistics of making that relationship not only viable, but healthy in a way that doesn't end with the original love triangle shifting into some sort of tragedy circle. Tl;Dr: yeah it aint that easy chief

@emberthecatgirl8796

Жыл бұрын

@@rwbybomb2160 Polyamory in medieval settings won’t work because they didn’t invent spreadsheets yet

@RepChris

Жыл бұрын

@@rwbybomb2160 1) polygamy =/= polyarmory 2) In polyamory you dont need to be atracted to every other member in the polycule, fitting for the video the V type would work In short, if you have no clue what you are talking about, either do some research before you give your take, or just dont

@RepChris

Жыл бұрын

Note that a poly relationship of course is only viable to be healthy if everyone is aware and onbord with the concept, which of course cant be assumed to be universal. Dosnt change the fact that if they were the whole thing would be a lot easier

@speedweed6747

Жыл бұрын

AND SO ANIME WAS SOLVED FOREVER

I’m gonna be honest when I saw this video I immediately thought of the Ninjago Love Triangle fans were stuck with for 2 seasons lmao

@TheAnimatorOfOpallyon

Жыл бұрын

At least that bad idea gave some interesting concequences to the story, like Jay and Nya's arc in Skybound.

14:10 It's funny how Red casually explains "You could solve this by writing actual characters" like... yes, that is TECHNICALLY a good solution, just git gud and write decently and you'll solve the problem of bad writing.

I love how Red brutally dissects "who will she choose" with academic precision.

Ok this might have already been done but i think it would be really entertaining. B is gay but in denial and pretending to love A when he actually doesn't at all and C is openly bi. The story gets resolved by B and C getting together and A just finds someone else or realizes she doesn't want love at all or something

I was hoping for a mention of adjacent romance plots, like the love square we get in A Midsummer Night's Dream: A loves B, B loves A, but C also thinks they love A, but doesn't have any chance... but then C's ex, D, still loves C, and stalks C self-destructively. Then some fae try to fix this with magical aphrodisiacs, and mess it up badly, causing B and C to both fall for D, who reacts remarkably sanely by not believing any of it is sincere, and A becomes chopped liver, as well as implicated by D. When you think about what happens, this meddling almost wrecks what are essentially friendships between all four, regardless of their silly romantic obsessions.

@mirjanbouma

9 ай бұрын

Technically, that has its own video 😋

@Vinemaple

9 ай бұрын

@@mirjanbouma Oh, sweet! WIll hunt it up

@mirjanbouma

9 ай бұрын

@@Vinemaple it's in the Shakespeare list, or you can sort by oldest first. Enjoy!

As an aromantic, your description of romantic relationships at the start, though already tongue-in-cheek hyperbole, was even funnier 😂

@fntthesmth423

2 жыл бұрын

it was so salty i have become beef jerkey

@nathanjereb9944

2 жыл бұрын

@@fntthesmth423 with a side of fries

@anselmareich3549

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@dunbass7149

2 жыл бұрын

What is that ?

@sdrawkcab_emanresu

2 жыл бұрын

@@dunbass7149 She can not feel romantic attraction. (She also can not feel sexual attraction, but thats asexual and a different thing, she just happens to be both)

IMO the directional triangle is the most interesting and "true" love triangle, though I'm sad to say I can't think of any examples besides the Casca-->Griffith-->Guts-->Casca triangle from Berserk. Something tells me there must be a case where someone tried to make it straight by adding a fourth character but I'm hard pressed to come up with one of those either

@swoowootv9244

2 жыл бұрын

Never thought you were a berserk fan but this is a pleasant surprise

@dangernoodledee111

2 жыл бұрын

I think the love square appeared in A Midsummer Night's Dream

@judeconnor-macintyre9874

2 жыл бұрын

I call that the love circle.

@Arrzarrina

2 жыл бұрын

There's also the example Red gave in the video of Twelfth Night by Shakespeare.

@GuiSmith

2 жыл бұрын

I actually have this in a thing I’m writing (the directional love triangle, not a love square). Super in progress though, so it’s got nothing to show for it. 🤷

Red talking about the classic love triangle with "a single node character" gives me joy as a fellow math student

16:14 ish. I remember hearing from just about every older, married man I talked to about marriage telling me the same story, or theme. it goes like, "I found the most attractive woman I could, got her to marry me, and here we are now, happily married 40+ years later."

Is it weird that whenever I see the phrase "Love Triangle" I now impulsively think of Terrible Writing Advice? Didn't even realize this was an OSP video until I heard Red's voice, lol.

@aaroncabatingan5238

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, its basically his catchphrase.

@aaroncabatingan5238

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, its basically his catchphrase.

@PRGME7

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaroncabatingan5238 I mean, it’s basically his catchphrase.

As a Filipino who spent learning about Filipino teledrama while watching with my parents, I hate this trope with a burning passion especially if paired with adultery/concubinage.

@cheskaarana6097

2 жыл бұрын

This. The fact that no one is ever self-aware enough to look outside the triangle. It's also way too much justifying codependency.

@xolco7081

2 жыл бұрын

If I could, I *would* have glowing red eyes everytime that sh*t happened in a TV series

@rurihime4965

2 жыл бұрын

I'm from south America and I know the feeling

@gaoexkaiser

Жыл бұрын

personally you are right its super weird, I like my love triangles only if the person is not in a relationship yet. Its just super weird if they are in one already or god forbid already married, its a toxic relationship if a say so myself.

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

Ugh! The soap operas I watched with my mom as a kid melted my brain, I swear! It was all so bloody stupid! If you’re damn twin is trying to seduce your wife, don’t shoot him when he’s on the edge of a cliff! SHOOT HIM WHERE YOU CAN CONFIRM THE KILL, YOU IDIOT!!! You’re practically begging for it at that point!

Why have a love triangle when, with polyamory, you can have a love ✨tricycle✨

The ABSOLUTE PAIN when Red uses Erik in The Phantom of the Opera as an example of Vestigial Love Triangle. Don’t worry, baby, this is what fanfiction is for.

@brxzbze

2 жыл бұрын

The real pain for me was them using a clip from the movie...

"In less competitive plots, C might act as A's wingman to get them together with B while dying on the inside" This is literally my favorite 'love triangle' type plot

@alisaurus4224

2 жыл бұрын

Cyrano!

@d.shaffer8782

2 жыл бұрын

ToraDora is kinda built on this one. Everyone slowly becoming miserable as they think the person they like is better off without someone else, and so sabotage their own relationship with said person to push them along. Everyone ends up miserable because of it, although eventually it does come to a head with a 'this was sorta stupid, all around' subtext.

@notationmusical

2 жыл бұрын

Orange is another example, but with using time travel as the twist. Character A ends up with B in one universe while ending up with B in the other universe. It's really interesting because it sets up emotional tension not just for the romance, but for fixing one's last mistakes and leaving no regrets.

@EleiyaUmei

2 жыл бұрын

@@notationmusical C in universe A+B breaks my heart but I'm also so happy and proud that he helped A and B end up together because he wanted both to be happy T__T

Shout out to Red for making love triangles seem ACTUALLY interesting. Still can't get invested in them, though

@vissersixty-nine6246

2 жыл бұрын

@BlueIsABitConfused YESSS I WAS THINKING ABOUT WOF DURING THIS ONE!!! Moon had absolutely ZERO agency, she was clearly disinterested in both Qibli and Winter from the start. It had the potential to be incredibly interesting, but it was just. Really bad instead.

15:07 its okay. You can say miraculous ladybug. Dont be shy.

@ciphergacha9100

Жыл бұрын

This is missing an angle before it becomes miraculous ladybug

Anyone else thinking of "Ned's Declassified"? That show had so many love triangles. Some examples: 1. Loomer having an unrequited crush on Moze, then dating her rival-turned-friend Suzie, then asking Moze and Ned (who has a crush on Suzie) to break them up because Loomer is too scared of Suzie. Moze agrees because she wants her friend Ned happy, and Suzie doesn't have any time for her now. 2. After Ned and Suzie have dated for a while, Suzie's dad gets a job transfer and has to move. While she's away, Ned and Moze realize and accept that their feelings for each other have changed from platonic to romantic. However, just before the two are about to confess to each other and start dating, Suzie moves back and wants to resume her relationship with Ned.

I think my favorite take on this trope was the film "My Best Friend's Wedding". Julia Roberts is the protagonist, but she's a C that thinks she's the B. The movie is about her slowly realizing that.

Imagine a triangle where B and C bond over their mutual attraction to A, even before A knows either of the two like them. B and C getting along well, subtly trying to romance A but not sabotauging one another and even perhaps *mutually* aiding each other at times. Helping each other make Valentine's cards, pining over A together, sharing tales of their favorite experiences they have had with A. ...imagine the eventual reveal that A at some point had noticed, and was, let's say, less than opposed to being their reason to be such good buddies.

@yserareborn

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds kinda like Toradora? That had more of a love square though.

@erinyes3943

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t remember if I’ve actually read that somewhere or if I’m just mixing it up with fan interactions I’ve seen in the wild

@safahasan486

2 жыл бұрын

that one episode of community where troy and abed both like that librarian girl

@alianar.d.8724

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the love triangle in Komi-san can't communicate

@RacingSnails64

2 жыл бұрын

Lol i like that

Now, I would love to see a Trope Talk video with the 'Enemies to Lovers' trope. Not that this trope is my favorite, but I would love to see a Trope Talk video about this certain trope.

The vestigial love triangle makes me think of this one quote from the webseries No Evil: “Ain’t a love triangle, it’s a love line segment, with one very ambitious point.”

A recent "resolution" to the Love Triangle I've recently seen in a couple places but Red didn't touch on (probably because it's relatively new and/or rare) is the resolution of the "but why is THIS ONE special?" question being "they aren't." As example, there's a videogame with a pretty obvious Canon Pairing between characters A and B. There's also side characters C and D who A can end up with depending on your choices through the game. But one of the endings has a conversation between A and C where they discuss character B, and C basically asks "So why do you care so much about B? You hardly knew her before all this started." and A basically just says "she's pretty, she's smart, her voice is nice to listen to." and C goes "Is that it? That's superficial as fuck, dude. What about the way her eyes light up when she's talking about a good book? The way she sets aside time to help people who need it, even losers like you?" etc. And so in this one extremely miss-able scene you find out that there's been a secret love triangle between A, B, and C, with C secretly pining for B without telling anyone. And in this particular ending A, at C's prompting, realizes that his feelings are, in fact, superficial and he doesn't like B so much as the *idea* of B, and as a sign of character growth abandons his attempts at romance with B in favor of getting to actually know her as a friend. It's really odd trope-wise, because in what should be a mock triangle one of the canon nodes backs out of the triangle willingly, without getting character assassinated.

@nidohime6233

2 жыл бұрын

Is The Witcher 3, right? Is the most famous love triangule right now after all.

@sreenidhisivakumar4995

2 жыл бұрын

Ok, this is a really smart way to deal with a love triangle. What's the name of the video game?

@charcharmunr

2 жыл бұрын

What game's that? I feel it's familiar, but I can't place it.

@bow-tiedengineer4453

2 жыл бұрын

YES. Healthy conclusions. We need more of this.

@kayleighbrown459

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, "B talking about a lot of the really deep and meaningful stuff he likes about A and suddenly realising he's in love with her" is one of the very few romance tropes I like."