did somebody say "morality is complicated"

@miramorrigan5464

2 жыл бұрын

Cue the head bobbing!

@elizabethmcwhorter3445

2 жыл бұрын

hello hello future me!

@rachelespiritu4215

2 жыл бұрын

Morality is simple! The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and we always defeat them and save the day! No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

@chimera9818

2 жыл бұрын

Gandalf start vibing

@sleazymeezy

2 жыл бұрын

Kia ora bro

Trolley problem: *Exists* Pure of heart character: "Just stop the trolley. Derail it or something!"

@romanrepublic1356

2 жыл бұрын

What about the people inside that would be injured by derailing it?

@MercuryA2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@romanrepublic1356 PoH Character: ... *SCREAMS*

@imperialguardsman1812

2 жыл бұрын

Me an Ass : "Multi Track Drifting go brrrrrr"

@evanrobinson5682

2 жыл бұрын

There’s the one variation where if you jump in front of it, the trolley driver realizes and stops but that requires you to willingly sacrifice yourself. And well, realize that was even an option.

@epauletshark3793

2 жыл бұрын

Use an RPG to eliminate the trolley.

This trope caused 10 year old me to question my own morality. I wanted to be pure of heart so I could go on an adventure and be a hero some day. But then I wondered, if I want to be pure of heart to be a hero am I really pure of heart? If I want to be pure for selfish reasons can I be pure? That realization still haunts me 17 years later.

@Splashbackl

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit that’s actually deep.

@thomastruthseeker

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the conundrum that is life. Your intent is either that you want to be a hero so as to be admired as one or to save lots of people. It's still about intent and if it's selfish or not.

@camiojeda1927

Жыл бұрын

I went through something similar. I wanted to be an empath but the fact is that I can’t pick up people’s aura of their true feelings so I made the irrational conclusion that I must be a narcissist. I had these thoughts for a long time when after a reality check, I realized most of the actions I do are for other people and that I care about people deeply. The point is that as long as you strive to be a better human being, you will always make progress.

@kalodawg8297

Жыл бұрын

So anyway, I then sat on my couch and browsed youtube

@RaeIsGaee

Жыл бұрын

tbf, most pure of heart characters are also selfish if they refuse to give up their moral code at the expense of others.

Perfect example: Luffy. He's extremely selfish and will do anything he wants at any cost, it just so happens that everything he wants are what the audience would consider to be morally correct.

@bilinasmini3480

2 жыл бұрын

did somebody say "morality is complicated"

@houselightkell

2 жыл бұрын

Think my favorite "Pure of Heart" character is gonna have to be Theo Magath from AoT

@gorbachevspizzahut2809

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's still a very two dimensional analysis and character

@theresabenedict8770

2 жыл бұрын

I would argue that Luffy's actions are not entirely selfish since he feels obligated to help anyone in need, regardless of the risks involved. He may not weigh the risks and the morality of each situation as others do, but remains loyal to the ones that he is supporting, even when they tell him that he doesn't have to stay. He may not be pure of heart, but he has his heart in the right place.

@nyalan8385

2 жыл бұрын

@@gorbachevspizzahut2809 well I mean the story is about how luffy affects the world not how the world affects luffy, there are moments where the opposite is true but on the whole luffy is mostly a paradigm that influences other characters and changes the course of nature rather than him being affected by the events around him. That's not to say Luffy is not a complex character and my original comment is rather simple but it also only covers one aspect of his character

Things get even more complicated when you realize "pure-hearted" doesn't have to mean pure *good.* "My heart _is_ pure...pure, unadulterated badass." "Yeah, more like pure, unadulterated ego."

@DrVella

2 жыл бұрын

Huh, I guess you're right. Making me wanna write a small story about something like this

@spritvio639

2 жыл бұрын

"I heard that Triclops!"

@russellmarch4983

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Figured it wouldn’t take long to find this

@GreenEyedPsycho

2 жыл бұрын

See vegeta wasn’t just bullshitting

@Green815

2 жыл бұрын

There's a theory that Kid Buu was able to push back the Spirit Bomb because he has a 100% pure evil heart, since anyone with a pure heart can push it back.

“Today I learned morality is relative.” - Mabel Pines, after punching a Unicorn in the face.

@bru9383

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I loved that!

@Xwithashotgun

2 жыл бұрын

Grunkle Stan: *runs in and grabs gold* MONEY

@ghchnrf2334

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t like that episode. It was just another episode were Mabel doesn’t learn anything

@skyhideaway

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghchnrf2334 What should Mabel have learned in that episode anyway? That she should please a bitchy unicorn for decades with no result?

@Ranio_

2 жыл бұрын

Stan mabel

I really wish innocence/pure of heart could escape “childlike innocence” It shouldn’t just be children and idiots that are allowed to be hopeful and good. I’ve seen so many people tell someone else to “grow up” whenever they’ve expressed hope about something, and it’s honestly heartbreaking.

@thomasffrench3639

2 жыл бұрын

I would respond by saying: “I’m not the one who’s acting like they’re 17”

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I like characters like All Might. He's not an idiot, he's not a child. He's seen the worst the world can offer, but that just makes him fight harder, and he made a genuine and lasting impact.

@panlis6243

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Another thing is that this implies that children are incapable of being evil. Like dude, have you ever met a real life kid?

@timothymclean

2 жыл бұрын

It seems like maturity cones in a weird cycle for a lot of things. When you're young, you believe A; when you're an adolescent, you believe the opposite of A; if you mature, you realize that both can be true. When you're young, everything seems hopeful; as an emo teen, everything seems hopeless; mature people recognize that hope can be justified, if tempered.

@Succubus_Loli

2 жыл бұрын

Grow up is basically words used to try drag someone else to your level of restricted mindset(a relate to my more "realistic" ideals type) or "seen and experienced the worst the world can offer therefore I have grown up." When what growing up should be is how you handle situations not how you merely managed to survive out of your hardship just because you went through your own hardships doesn't make you the best person of example someone can learn from, after all everybody has their own form of hardships and struggles that they have to figure out a way out of by their own terms.

OSP: "We might have some trouble concisely defining Pure Of Heart" DBZAVegita: "My heart *_is_* pure. Pure, unadulterated, badass"

@Warrior_of_Fire

2 жыл бұрын

"More like pure, unadulterated ego."

@MeecaAngel

2 жыл бұрын

@@Warrior_of_Fire "I HEARD THAT TRICLOPS!!"

@JustNande2289

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeecaAngel "Is that okay 😏"

@IndustrialParrot2816

2 жыл бұрын

what about objects made of pure heart

@tzisorey

2 жыл бұрын

@@IndustrialParrot2816 Or the heart of darkness? Can't be called the heart of darkness, if you're not _pure_ darkness

one of the coolest uses of the "pure of heart" trope is in my opinion the "terrifyingly innocent" character, which doubles down on the idea that kids *can* do some pretty messed up stuff. If an extremely naive character perceives killing as fun, you can create a perfectly normal-looking child who will torture his victims to death while technically remaining "pure".

@rebellion6519

2 жыл бұрын

like Darquesse... *shivers*. Argeddion's morality is so interesting though....

@BaneDane_JB

2 жыл бұрын

Gluttony from FMA is a good version of this. He's like a monstrously cannibal Winnie the Pooh who just doesn't understand the pain he causes by eating people. He almost seems to grow as a person after feeling sadness for the first time after his best friend dies, but its too little too late by that point. IE He's not litterally a child but he sure seems to talk, ask for permission, and act like one whenever he's not in direct confilct.

@artist0154

2 жыл бұрын

literally Gon, his friends are professional murders, he's so naive that killing, stealing or hurting someone is something new or kinda blank for him, being the protagonist the pure of heart and looking every nuance he has is really interesting

@ZenoDLC

2 жыл бұрын

A weirdly accurate way to describe Anna from Shimoneta...

@Meandmyshadowclones

2 жыл бұрын

Or Majin Buu, who was pure of heart, being a killing machine simply because he was never taught it was wrong. When Hercule took him in and showed him the value of life and how it's wrong to take it from others, he became Good Buu.

"I love peace. I don't care how many men women and children I have to kill to get it." - Peacemaker, The Suicide Squad 2021 has to be one of my favorite "pure of heart" villains.

@dungeonmaster3464

2 жыл бұрын

I had a stroke reading that quote. I mean, I love how it sums up the entire belief system and motivation of the character, but it's so backwards XD

@eluziaaloinabarus1853

2 жыл бұрын

And Yoshikage Kira from Diamond is Unbreakable

@elecity2117

2 ай бұрын

​@@eluziaaloinabarus1853 Nah, Kira enjoyed murder. He just wanted to live without being caught.

You saying that being “Pure of Heart” often boils down to having good vibes made me realize that worthiness tests like Thor’s Hammer are basically just a vibe check.

@loganricherson3749

2 жыл бұрын

A good thing to point out about Thor's hammer is that it's worthiness scale has a requisite of being able to kill for the greater good should there be no other option. This is what prevents some heroes from using it. For example, in a crossover event, superman was able to briefly wield the hammer but only for a duration of the fight. This implies that, in that moment, he was willing to kill at that time. However, wonder woman is more generally able to wield it because she's an amazonian warrior who would definitely be able to if required

@hyde1067

2 жыл бұрын

@@loganricherson3749 Thors hammer requirements, as any other details in comics, depends on the author that's writing the story. For example in the most recent comics worthy is said to be "been a force of destruction" but in previous histories worthy is a "self-worth, self recognition" kinda thing, like when Nick Fury made Thor feel unworthy cause all that Gorr sh*t that happened even before that history, then we have MCU "worthiness that defines pure of heart as "humble or non-selfish"

@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache

2 жыл бұрын

In the comics, it's stated that Spider-Man can lift Thor's Hammer if he was willing to kill, some stories changed it by saying the reason he can't lift is that he still feels guilty about Uncle Ben's Death.

@chrisc9526

2 жыл бұрын

Thor: *placing his hammer on my chest* Vibe check! Me: *crushed ribs noises* Thor: Oooo, bad vibes.

@potahtwah9591

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisc9526 i need to hear Chris Hemsworth say this, word for word

It would be so cool to see a “pure of heart” villain who is being deliberately kept in ignorance so they genuinely believe they are doing the right thing as they commit atrocities

@alepenagorbe9135

Жыл бұрын

Adora from the new She-Ra fits that pretty well in the beginning

@firstprimehunter

Жыл бұрын

Mamika from Re:creators is a great example of this.

@vectorequinox6202

Жыл бұрын

Funny Valentine is more or less that. He's definitely a murderer and clearly is willing to do whatever it takes in the name of what he perceives as being good. Using magic to make the USA a country where no harm can befall any who inhabit it but the magic redirects that harm to everyone outside the US. Even in the final fight he's trying to kill the heroes to ensure his justice is maintained, he really doesn't care about Johnny beyond the threat he poses to his plan.

@JaelinBezel

Жыл бұрын

N from Pokémon

@vanilla8956

Жыл бұрын

That's the whole point of Majin Buu

Young Justice’s “They never said I had to be pure good” is probably one of my favourite twists

@hannahdawg6829

2 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite episodes, tbh. And the fact that it works is the really good part, and what the dude had to do to make his heart "pure evil".

@RensStoryteller

2 жыл бұрын

Right!?

@shinyninja8107

2 жыл бұрын

Same, it’s one of my favourite subversions of the trope.

@allseeingprophet

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!! Probably one of my top 3 episodes. I saw this video and my brain went right to this.

@thomastakesatollforthedark2231

2 жыл бұрын

@@hannahdawg6829 and when he was confronted by his sister and so started regretting it, making his heart not pure. Beautiful

You know a topic that would make a cool video: "Sentient Weapons", I've always liked this concept in fiction. The character always has someone to interact with, and when the two have good chemistry, the relationship is always fun to watch.

@pendragongameart

2 жыл бұрын

I would love an episode on Fi

@jimmymcpherson2679

2 жыл бұрын

Iron Giant comes to mind

@Percival917

2 жыл бұрын

Xenoblade 2 has a whole world of sentient weapons, some of which are ancient superweapons.

@Pilachio

2 жыл бұрын

Excalibur.. Excalibur.. 🎶

@emeraldwolf3494

2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy how they’ve handle sentient weapons so far in Doron Dororon

"maybe the prison just needed some better f*cking locks, how about that?" really underrated and an angle more people should consider maybe a shit prison shouldnt be an excuse to just commit murder

@kalodawg8297

Жыл бұрын

Tell that to batman and the countless victims Joker has caused after having escaped prison for the 100th time

@tinaherr3856

Жыл бұрын

@@kalodawg8297 that would still be the bad prisons fault, nor necessarily the hero's

@ConnanTheCivilized

Жыл бұрын

@@kalodawg8297 for no other reason than the comic writers randomly make it so. Arkham was repeatedly replaced by other facilities, yet the bad guys always conveniently wind up escaping from there. I do get your point though, what good would prison do against comic book superheroes, the X-Men, Jedi or their evil counterparts. How can prison be safe enough against real life organizations? When they can gas cities if arrested?

@ValeBridges

Жыл бұрын

Though if you go too far and end up with something actually inescapable, like the Baumann Parahuman Containment Centre, then it raises the debate of whether that would actually constitute a fate worse than death.

@tomebasic2843

Жыл бұрын

@@kalodawg8297 I've actually been thinking about this specific thing just the other day, and I've come to realize: "No, Bataman is not an asshole for letting Joker live". Joker shouldn't be the sole responsibility of one single person. It is Gotham's whole system that is not equiped to deal with Joker properly. You say : " Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker, what an asshole, think of everyone who is dead because he didn't kill the Joker!" Ok, but why doesn't the City of Gotman give Joker the Electric chair? Why don't a fewl of the cops band togather and stage an accident, why doesn't Joker end up sharing cleaning duties in Arkham with someone who has a vandetta with him that would totally just stab him to death, while everyone pretends they didn't know that would be the outcome. The Problem isn't Batman, the problem is that we are supposed to believe that Gotham the city that is presented as one of the most corrupted Cities in the World, supposedly doesn't have crooked cops that would take it upon themselves to kill Joker. Because shit like that happens in real life all the time. That's how Jeffrey Dalhmer got killed in prison. Jeff Doucet a Pedophile and a kidnaper got shot by the father of his victim in broad daylight, in front of live cameras, all he got was 5 year probation and some community service. The point is, yes Batman could just break his neck and kill him, an in some stories and some versions he does, but at the same time that shouldn't be Batman's duty. Batman is not the law, he is not a representative of the system, he is not the will of the people, he is a traumatized rich dude in a bat costume redeeming his childhood trauma by acting as a vigilante. And the fact that he doesn't kill allows him to continue to operate as such, otherwise the police would be a lot more harder on him over the fact that he is esentially assuming authority to act as the law.

Red: "It is interesting that people equate childhood with innocence as if children aren't capable of incredible malice and cruelty" I think a good example of this is Hunter x Hunter's main character Gon, in which the creator purposely made all of his psychological traits as of the child that he is. This meaning that although he's innocent and kind, he is also very selfish, a huge hypocrite, completely apathetic of the people that he doesn't care about and surprisingly cruel to the people he holds animosity against.

@gingganggoolie

2 жыл бұрын

Gon is an excellent pure of heart character for this reason. He's so naïve, like during the "quiz" before the Hunter exam proper when Kurapika realises it's a trick question, but Gon becomes stuck actually considering the morality of the matter. He's never had to consider making choices like that. Which is why later on when he makes some quite terrible choices it makes sense. He's not really equipped to make these judgements, so he childishly assumes that whatever he wants to do must be the best choice

@VersusThem

2 жыл бұрын

I came here to mention Gon from Hunter x Hunter, it's the best exploration case of this topic I know of, he is pure hearted in the sense "he doesn't judge" which means he instantly befriends the coolest assasin kid in class and along his journey ends up doing some really troublesome stuff, and it all feels absolutely natural, to the point something like that is foreshadowed like a hundred episodes earlier

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

The mangaka of HunterXHunter and Yu Yu Hakusho likes examining “pure of heart” characters. Sensui, who on paper was the perfect spirit detective, broke after seeing the evil of humanity. While the punk kid Yusuke was good enough to do the job, but gritty enough to roll with whatever life throws his way.

@phastinemoon

Жыл бұрын

@@coltonwilliams4153 Yusuke is also pretty great for this example

@icemagical69

Жыл бұрын

When people talk about innocence, I think they mean babies and small children and not older children

Personal favorite version of the Pure of Heart trolley problem is Trigun. As the end message of the anime is not "You should never strive to not kill" or "There is always a third option". But rather "Even if we will not be able to always uphold these ideals, that does not mean they not worth pursuing and striving for".

@MatthewCSnow

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I thought I was crazy that no one acknowledged that show! I loved how that show acknowledged the hardships of being a pacifist (and how it’s really hard to be one)

@ozzmen4494

2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewCSnow Yeah If remember correctly that how far you are willing to go to stay pacifist and if its worth it. I mean vash had an incredibally scarred body to stand for pacificm but when he was forced to kill that one character. It didnt made him a bad person.

@MatthewCSnow

2 жыл бұрын

@@ozzmen4494 basically yes. It points to the “no killing” as the ideal but it was willing to entertain arguments against it (like liability to future damage, being controlling of other peoples decisions, and it being straight up not easy to do in practice)

@ozzmen4494

2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewCSnow It being a manga/anime produced in a time period after ww2 and the end of japanese nationalism. It is one of the stories where a protagonist with exceptional prowess is presented and chooses to not use violance and teaching restraint, it should be it own trope to be honest. It always asks if its reasonable to ask for this self sacrifice or not with varying answers. But the moral of the story of these kinda animes are always kinda restraint in your own actions and thats kinda historic

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, now I want to watch that show.

Pure of heart: I won’t kill you that goes against everything I stand for, instead I will imprison you in this solitary prison of torture for 1,000 years. Audience: wait isn’t that worse??

@battlion507

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, uh, but at least you can drop those points for good behavior and community service. 1000 is only 28 years in prison metrics.

@paulshealy1863

2 жыл бұрын

There are fates worse than death.

@Arkalidor

2 жыл бұрын

There's also the good old' "differing moral framework" antagonist : "You beat me in combat. Go on now and kill me" Hero : "Nah, I don't do that." antagonist: "What? But I am defeated, I have no reason to live." Hero : "but killing is bad. I don't do that" antagonist: "you monster! I live by the strict code of the warrior. To live on after being defeated is dishonorable, I'd much rather die." Hero : "You're weird. Okay, gotta go. See you later!" antagonist : "..." Of course, in that kind of scenario, the antagonist pretty much always ends up rethinking his strict code and ends up becoming the hero's loyal lancer.

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

Even mundane prison in Real Life is oppressive and soul-crushing, not to mention typically contrary to the process of rehabilitation. One could argue that imprisoning someone in such an environment is 1) cruel in and of itself, and 2) only going to make them more evil (and better connected to other evil people). Like, the Death Penalty is also not good, for a bunch of reasons. Really, the "justice" system seems really bad all around.

@thevirtualjim

2 жыл бұрын

to me, death is removal of all future possibilities. if you are alive, no matter the 'fate' there is always the possibility of future change. Death means no possibility for anything.

I want to argue a little about Disney's Cinderella being a "pure of heart character"- at least her being a version of 'pure of heart' that's too 'good' to feel anger. Cinderella (And by extension, many trope ridden princess stories), once you look past the magic, is a story about an abuse victim escaping her abuser and finding a better life. In real life, when an abuse victim expresses anger, they get punished- any form of lashing out may be a death sentence. With this context in mind, how can Cinderella in her disney iteration be considered angerless if she isn't allowed to be angry? Victims of abuse often can't get out without a massive helping hand, they're systematically depowered and hurt by their abusers- so methods of survival without lashing out are slim. I'd argue that in Cinderella, even going to the ball is a form of lashing out and rebellion- one of the few things she can do against her abusers for even a moment of freedom. She first attempts to see this freedom by playing by her abusers rules and when that fails and she is punished for playing by those rules. Up until that point, Cinderella is a lawful character, only fighting against the abuse submissively by maintaining hope and refusing to break against the abuse. It's only when the fairy godmother comes- granting her what she desires for the ball (And what ultimately end up being tools to aid her escape) does Cinderella become active and rebel against her mother, which leads to her domino of meeting the prince, losing her shoe, and getting free. (Not to mention all the things with her animal friends and how they and Cinderella worked together) I find that Cinderella is not entirely a 'pure of heart' story but a 'test of will/determination" story as well- she succeeds in escaping her abuse and getting her man not entirely by being pure, but partially through rebelling against her stepmother, remaining resilient in her kindness, and not giving up on her desires. Idk, maybe I'm just miffed that everyone treats Disney princess stories at face value rather than try and explore what goes unspoken or any potentials of the implications of these stories.

@phastinemoon

Жыл бұрын

Interesting analysis. My only quibble is that Cinderella is still a “pure of heart” case study, specifically because of how the story frames itself as part of Cinderella’s characterization is she’s beautiful BECAUSE she’s pure of heart (in contrast with the wicked stepmother and stepsisters as ugly because they’re wicked and cruel to Cinderella - I mean, in the direct to video sequels where one of the sisters gets reframed as likeable also gets a little prettier)

@Letcharlieplay2545

Жыл бұрын

@@phastinemoon That's a fair point when taking the sequels into account! I was mostly focusing on the first movie as a solo experience when writing this- totally forgot about the sequels. Though Anastasia does became prettier, i don't think it's by very much, all she really does is change outfits and even then I remember it's only because she got dolled up. I'll need to watch the second and third movies again but I remember the second and third movies addressing how Cinderella has a sort of pretty privilege over her sisters that Anastasia calls her out on.

@noxsiacnumberxv5718

Жыл бұрын

I’d disagree that she isn’t allowed to feel anger. There are plenty of private moments for her to vent any anger she might feel towards her abusers. Instead, the only feelings she does convey are sadness, hope, or kindness to her friends. Even when she escapes and finds herself in a position of power over her abusers (post marriage to prince/sequels) she doesn’t really feel hatred toward them for what they did to her, only pity and love for her stepsisters and righteous indignation for what her stepmother did to the people she loves. Just as it’s frustrating when people take too many things at face value, it’s just as misleading and frustrating when people dig for deeper content when it isn’t there.

@rhythmicmusicswap4173

Жыл бұрын

@@phastinemoon u don't think Cinderella is a pure heart, instead she CHOSE to remain kind even though she is an abusive environment. It's clear she is not so innocent to not recognize her situation sucks and her step family is bad, still she rejected to be lead by resentment, bitterness etc...

@emanuelrojas2

Жыл бұрын

I feel Cellspex would agree with you.

This reminds me of a CS Lewis quote. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

@lethargogpeterson4083

Жыл бұрын

Wow. Good quote.

@Tulipia5

Жыл бұрын

Wow... When was that quote written? because that's exactly what happened with witch trials. Which explains why Frollo is a great villain... Also Belos from The Owl House...

@michaelwellen2866

Жыл бұрын

@@Tulipia5 1948

@chloeleau

8 ай бұрын

wow… i’m gonna have to sit down and ponder this for a while.

@1993httphil

8 ай бұрын

Pretty angsty.

The pure of heart trope really reminds me of the old saying: The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

@Alusnovalotus

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was “the path OUT of hell is paved with good intentions. Lol. I just realized this is a subversion but both make sense now. 👍🏾

@ethangonzalez8904

2 жыл бұрын

They never do mention what the path to heaven is paved with :(

@pennyforyourthots

2 жыл бұрын

"At least the road to hell is paved. New jersey could learn a thing or two" -socrates

@jon-paulfilkins7820

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely worth a trope talk.

@blammo5226

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethangonzalez8904 Asphalt. Probably.

I’m reminded of a TFS quote: “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while Evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles into bloodstained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns”

@mustard-grilledpatties2175

2 жыл бұрын

I love that quote! I think that's the first time I've ever seen "pure of heart" equate to "moral cowardice"

@jameswest6232

2 жыл бұрын

TFS?

@That0therAsian

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameswest6232 Team Four Star, the guys behind Dragon Ball Z Abridged

@7deEspadas

2 жыл бұрын

Besides! My heart IS pure... Pure. Unadultered. Badass.

@daanstrik4293

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameswest6232 TeamFourStar. The people who made dragonball abridged and set the gold standard for abridged series on youtube. I highly recommend it even if you’ve never watched dragonball (like myself).

It troubles me that stories with scanners for "Pure of Heart" never take advantage of "Pure" not needing to be "Pure *Good"* and that "Pure *Evil"* can also pass the test; no questions asked.

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

“Harm is pure. The stories never said that the wielder of the sword needed to be pure good.”

@AlixL96

Жыл бұрын

that's a relatively new way of defining "pure." traditionally, for something to be pure means it's entirely composed of the single thing you want and nothing diluting that. thus a pure heart would be one with only virtue. By definition, evil is the things we don't want someone to be, so it can't be pure.

@Canido19

Жыл бұрын

@@AlixL96 It is quite the paradox when what you want a heart to be composed entirely of, is only things that people /in general/ tend to not want.

@AlixL96

Жыл бұрын

@@Canido19 well, I phrased it as "want" but in general the idea of purity came with the idea that things SHOULD be a certain way. The idea of pure evil is more along the lines of imagining that evil is a substance that a heart could be made of, which is sort of a double entendre.

@juniperrs

Жыл бұрын

that reminded me of a character that briefly appears in young justice, i think its season one, where the sword he uses can only be wielded by someone whos pure, and when he steals the sword the guy he steals it from is like"you wont be able to wield that because you're not pure" and hes like "oh i am pure, just not pure good" and at that moment i was like woooo hes right. nothing actually worth talking much about but i wanted to mention it sksndhh

I think a very interesting “flawed” pure of heart character is Rose Quartz from SU. She faked her death thinking she could live on Earth with her friends and live a peaceful life together, not realizing that it would start a GIANT war, shattering and corrupting thousands of innocent gems and giving the handful of friends that she was able to save lifelong trauma. And thousands of years after that having a baby knowing she would never return, thinking her past could never possibly haunt him. She was never actively malicious, just INCREDIBLY naïve which is very frustrating

@belindaluna2067

2 жыл бұрын

Given her upbringing, it's not a surprise.

@sabertoothkim

2 жыл бұрын

She was naive, but in a very different way from most "innocent" characters you see in modern media. I really liked how much emphasis they placed on Rose Quartz's - PRIVILEGE, and on the way it colored all her actions. You go for so many seasons hearing about how kind and compassionate she was, how she was fascinated by Earth and its chaotic, short-lived, organisms...and then, as we get to see more and more of what she was actually like, it becomes clear that the reason she was so fascinated was very much because she COULD NOT RELATE, at all. She was a sheltered Princess who was never had to worry about being hurt, or killed, or controlled, though she did plenty of hurting and controlling other people herself. And she never told anyone about her true role in founding the Gem Empire, not even her closest friends. Once you know that, all that kindness and compassion can easily start to look a lot more like ignorance and condescension, the whims of the powerful which just happen to benefit those less fortunate than themselves. She was "pure of heart", but in a way that was extremely selfish, which I agree is really frustrating, and also interesting!

@mrbusinesss1

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabertoothkim Ohh I totally get where you’re coming from, although I don’t agree fully. Because Rose’s character development was quite literally shown backwards, it does seem like she’s always been like THAT, but shown in the backstories and snippets of her life (including the tapes) she genuinely seemed to have changed from ignorant, privileged princess to a loving, caring and protective person. Still naïve, but less… childish. Pretty sure that had to do with being on the Earth for so long, but meeting Greg was kinda like her final character development point since she learned a lot of stuff about truly being human from him.

@coldfrost3

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabertoothkim While Pink diamond was definitely privilege I think is weird to paint her as ignorant because from the moment she leaves homeworld her actions have consequences. Her family trying to escape her controlling family ends with a war that ends with almost everyone who ever followed her rendered insane, with any step off world risking a second war. And as someone who has had to lie you avoid certain conversations/truths because you have a pretty good understanding of the consequences and would rather not rock the boat. She was naive but that basically ended the moment she had to become a general because literally everything that happened was her fault its hard to be ignorant when your playing both sides.

@chrisdaughen5257

Жыл бұрын

The thing with Rose is that you never see her first-person perspective of things. You don't see her reaction to the Gem War, how she treated the surviving Gems after it, or even coming to the decision to giving up her life to have Steven. I loved this part of the series since it made viewers share the cast's frustration in how they never fully understood Rose. From how she interacted with Greg in the episode where he tried fusing with her, you do see the mask of confidence slip, so you can argue she hides some level of insecurity about her past and what she is.

"Kids are cruel Jack... and I'm very in touch with my inner child" Always loved that subversion from mgrr

@loadeddice4696

2 жыл бұрын

Local man is fuckin invincible.

@Godzilla3000

2 жыл бұрын

@@loadeddice4696 And fights a Cyborg Ninja Demigod with an Electric Sword and Anger Issues

@VegaNorth

2 жыл бұрын

Like the original Peter Pan

@gloop7458

2 жыл бұрын

Ok real take though: As someone that got bullied my entire life: Kids aren't inherently anything: Cruel or kind. It really isn't that black or white. Little kids are usually reflections of their parents. (older kids are a different story) If you notice, most kids copy everything they see. You put your shoes on before your hat, they will probably do that too. That is still true of how you and they treat other people or even yourself. If you visibly display that you're upset about a 96% on a test, they will think that is something to be disappointed about. If you throw trash out your window for a service worker to pick up instead of just throwing it away yourself, they will think that's how you're supposed to treat them. If you thank the waiter every time they get something for you, your kid likely will too. Alternatively, it's also a show of what parents allow of their kids. If a kid takes their anger out on their sibling for "taking all their parent's attention away" and the parent does nothing, the kid will think it's ok to take your anger out on people. However, if a parents discourages this by not teaching them that it's wrong but actively making the kid scared of them when they do it, the kid will learn that it's not ok to do that... when their parents are around. The adaptation for culture starts really young. There really isn't much time where your kid isn't effected. If we're going young young, (like infant) kids aren't malicious, but they're not exactly kind either. they do whatever they need to survive/satisfy their needs and sometimes, just what entertains them. Selfish but not necessarily bad or cruel. They live in their own little bubble that orbits around them. When they are cruel, it's usually because they aren't understanding consequences or their needs are being neglected. Kids that are cruel are usually a sign of parents that allow them to be and unsatisfied needs making them act out. This all smudges a lot when there is abuse involved. *TL:DR:* Kids aren't inherently anything. They're usually a reflection of their parents/what their parents allow of them/how much their needs are being satisfied or how much their needs aren't being satisfied. Older kids are a different story tho

@vitriolicAmaranth

2 жыл бұрын

MGR is full of shock-value aversions of clichés or pop culture reference, most of which incidentally come from the mouth of Sundowner. "All we're saying is give war a chance!" "Kid are cruel, Jack, and I'm very in touch with my inner child." "Just like the good ol' days, after 9/11!" "Make America great again!" (the last one was a reference to REAGAN'S presidential campaign slogan, which Trump "borrowed"; the context is what makes it shocking, as though Reagan's early political career was marked by a very Armstrong-like attitude, when he ran for president he reinvented himself politically and became much more centrist and conservative, while Armstrong is an outright revolutionary) My favourites, though, have to be the ones about memes. Monsoon's whole speech, but also when Armstrong says "Check the Internet lately?" and Raiden checks his news sites and says, in a hushed tone, "The memes..." They had to know what they were doing.

"Something to discuss over something alcoholic and fancy": shows picture of Socrates getting ready to knock back a fatal dose of hemlock.

@MartinG1993

2 жыл бұрын

Well they are both poison, and [I say] hemlock is just a fancy word for it. :3

@JetstreamGW

2 жыл бұрын

Right. Fancy!

@auroragamer1

2 жыл бұрын

Socrates, moments after drinking hemlock: "You know guys, this thing actually tastes pretty good, I'd be drinking it on the regular if it didn- *dies"

@ZekeRaiden

2 жыл бұрын

"I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'"

@auroragamer1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZekeRaiden "Quick, guys, think of a way to martyrize him!"

I remember "Death Note" did a dark take on this. I remember the author said in an interview that it was because Light Yagami was so pure of heart that the power of the Death Note was able to corrupt him so completely.

@jonasscheftner8545

Жыл бұрын

if you have kindle unlimited i recommend Stuart Grosse. His protagonists are villains most of the time and the antagonists are good people. And still the so called "good guys" commit atrocities far greater than the "bad guys". Don't get me wrong there is a reason why in the description of most of his work is a trigger warning but it's really fascinating to read, especially the lewd dungeon series. in which several "good guys" fall from grace over time. still you should mind the trigger warning, cause there happens some really F*d up stuff in most of his books.

@coltonwilliams4153

9 ай бұрын

@@jonasscheftner8545 I’m surprised to see someone mention Grosse’s works. I think the single protagonist that can be classified as “good” is Kaori from Lich Returnee, and she left the world she was summoned to in a state where it was going to be destroyed by the monsters that she was raising to be released after she killed the demon lord and returned to Earth. They deserved it, of course, but still. Even when they’re sane, liches are ruthless.

@jonasscheftner8545

9 ай бұрын

@@coltonwilliams4153 and that's why i explicitly talked about the antagonists. and you've forgotten about the City of Champions series. but you are right, his protagonists are better suited for the Magnificent Bastard video

@flameking2178

7 ай бұрын

It's basically like a disease. Is it better to have never experienced disease or to have experienced it but overcome it. From a biological standpoint, the second one is better because you've obtained an immunity to it. So you are now immune to disease and can remain healthy even if exposed to it. Likewise, the body that's never known disease is going to have virtually no defense if it does get infected which is like Light getting completely corrupted by the death note. Ironically, if you've known evil but still chose good, you're functionally the purest type of heart because evil no longer appeals to you because you know the path your on is better (you chose it yourself after all) and are not tempted by the thought of the other path because you've already experienced it

@coltonwilliams4153

6 ай бұрын

@@jonasscheftner8545 I don’t think I’ve read City of Champions. He’s got a lot of stuff out, and I haven’t caught up with it all yet.

Just one quote that popped into my head when watching this: "Always try to be nice but never fail to be kind." - The 12th doctor

@sylvy16

6 ай бұрын

it sounds neat and motivational but what does it mean? do nice and kind mean two separate things in this context? if so what is the difference? if not then it’s just a bit atupid

@themindfulmoron3790

5 ай бұрын

​@@sylvy16 Nice is a behavior. Being nice is smiling and comforting. Niceness doesn't take into account the circumstances. The only way to be nice circumstantially is if you know when to *not* be nice. Being nice only takes into account the way you, or the person in question, is choosing to behave. Being kind is more about doing what's best for someone according to their needs and the present situation. Sometimes, being kind means being nice. Maybe they need to be comforted and coddled right now. Maybe a nice pleasant pep talk or a loving heart to heart is what they've been missing. Or sometimes, you have to be kind at the expense of niceness. If your child is about to be hit by a car, you don't softly tell them to move, you shout or push them because that's what's best in the situation. Maybe the person you're trying to help just doesn't respond to niceness. Or maybe they need pure honesty, which is frequently harsh. Kindness bends based on the needs of the people you're trying to be kind to, but being nice is more of just being generally pleasant regardless of the situation. The doctor's quote means you should always try to be polite, but never at the expense of what's actually best for someone.

The issue with "pure of heart" in a nutshell: it ONLY measures a person by the goodness of their intentions.... But when put into practice, we all know what the road to hell is paved with.

@georgethompson1460

2 жыл бұрын

Hitler was very pure... from a certain point of view.

@thunderbird3304

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgethompson1460 Pure evil

@commandrubix239

2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderbird3304 Pure Extreme German Nationalist

@renard6012

2 жыл бұрын

In the end, actions speak louder than intentions. I like the "brooding, edgy anti-hero" types when they act like decent, kind-hearted people, not just in the end, or after a change of heart, but all the time. I also like the inversion: "anti-villains" who are well-spoken, and have good intentions, but who do truly evil acts with no remorse.

@flaviusclaudius7510

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a Graham Green quote: "I would rather have blood on my hands than water like Pilate"

I absolutely LOVE seeing this trope get played with, just because of all the loopholes it leaves open for abuse. One plot point I really liked was a bit in one of the Kingdom Hearts games: the protagonist is one of those Incorruptible Pure Pureness types but is notable for 1)very specifically NOT being the chosen one in the story; it was meant to be his rival, who actually ends up joining and being corrupted by the villains for a while before getting pulled back from the brink, and 2) his pureness actually makes him a perfect candidate as a meat puppet for the villain because unlike his formerly corrupted friend, he has no natural defenses or coping mechanisms for dealing with dark powers and emotions. The rival ends up being the one to pass the character test and become the "master" after saving the protagonist. Even better being the hero doesn't resent this at all and celebrates it because he knows how much his friend has gone through to get to this point. It was ridiculously heartwarming.

@chickennugget6684

2 жыл бұрын

Y’know once you get past all the stupid stuff Kingdom Hearts does genuinely have good writing at times. but it does also have that Terranort cutscene in the Keyblade graveyard where everyone except Riku, Goofy, and Donald is now an Idiot, before going into plot spaghetti again.

@BlitzkriegBryce

2 жыл бұрын

The rival sounds a lot like Darth Vader.

@nellewoodruff6337

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlitzkriegBryce I mean for all we know, Darth Vader could be a Disney princess now.

@M0ssP1glet

2 жыл бұрын

@@nellewoodruff6337 Oh god you're right

@M0ssP1glet

2 жыл бұрын

@@chickennugget6684 Nomura subsists on a diet of plot spaghetti, and I'm willing to admit that his ideas - when he's got people keeping him organized and reined in - do land a lot of the time. But that was definitely not one of those times.

My favorite “pure of heart” trope is that one Young Justice episode with Artemis and Zatanna. The villain wields magic that only works on those that are pure of heart. The villain killed his own sister because his love for her was holding him back from being pure of heart. The thing is that he’s not pure good, he’s pure evil and as far as the magic is concerned that counts too

@FirstNameLastName-lk3ng

Жыл бұрын

Museum curator: "But the legend [of the Sword of Beowulf]- only the pure of heart should be able to summon that power!" Harm: "The legend said the heart must be pure. It never said pure good."

Gon from Hunter x Hunter is an extremely interesting example of this trope, he’s completely innocent and pure of heart, but he constantly does horrible stuff because he doesn’t think about it as bad

@ashapyne

Жыл бұрын

I was looking through the comments for so long trying to find someone bringing up Gon! The story also sets up a really interesting subversion of that aspect of his character at the end of the chimera ant arc. Pitou is consistently shown to be an extremely dangerous and often malicious character with little sense of empathy, so we would expect Gon's victory to be a pure "good triumphs over evil" moment. Instead, even though Gon's final confrontation with Pitou is technically a victory, it doesn't really feel that way to the audience, since we witness Gon's surrender to his darker emotions and his fall from his position as the pure-of-heart character that he had been up to that point.

@rogierownage

9 ай бұрын

Also, Pitou shows that she has a good side when she protects Komugi, while Gon threatens to kill both of them in his anger, not caring about the innocent life that would be lost

Thank goodness someone else sees that the "childlike innocence" trope is odd because kids CAN be pretty evil, even if they are totally unaware of it. I thought I was the only one.

@noukan42

2 жыл бұрын

I'd argue that it still makes sense because only children CAN be innocent. "Sins of the fathers" notwhitstanding a baby is born innocent and they do stay innocent for at least some time. No one get to adulthood whitout ever having done something at least a little bad.

@ventedbus4917

2 жыл бұрын

As a child I agree people at my school have “game ended” themselves because of bullying

@kaanemrekurt1845

2 жыл бұрын

Kids are cruel. All people are by nature. They just lose touch with it as they get older. That's immoral! Warcrime this, code of conduct that, Bullshit! -Sundowner

@jasonreed7522

2 жыл бұрын

I think "child like innocence" is better described as "sheltered". Children in normal circumstances are sheltered from the horrors of the world so its an easy mistake to make, but being ignorant of the horrors of the world and being a hero saving people from the worst of humanity are mutually exclusive. If you have an innocent "sheltered" hero then they should have to face the dissonance between "everyone has some good in their hearts" and "drug dealers doing the unimaginable thats far worse than death".

@laurenbonner2393

2 жыл бұрын

Well, innocent doesn't always mean harmless.

The biggest lie I was told by media was that children being pure of heart was the norm, and not the exception. (depending on which definition of "pure of heart" you go by, of course)

@MikeMozzaro

2 жыл бұрын

Eh: depends on where the cutoff for "children" is. I dare you to find me a two month old baby that is actively malicious while not being the literal anti-christ.

@bluelfsuma

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeMozzaro Not evil, but when I was nearly a year old, my mom tried to hand me off to my grandma. As my mom held me out to her, I pointed a tiny curled finger at her, and said in a deep (for a baby) growl, _"Nooot. Yooou."_ All while glaring daggers at her. Again, I was less than one year old. Before that, I had a tendency to forcefully shove people's hands off my mom's shoulders and glare at them. I would also get angry if someone walked in while I was practicing walking, and my mom caught me being frustrated at failing to do things perfectly on my first try. I was born with anger and frustration baked into my soul. People are weird, even at day 1. I'm sure there's one, at least one, human in history who was born evil. Like, Jeffrey Dahmer. Probably him.

@uhoh7545

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluelfsuma this reminds of the time I chanted evil sutras while left alone at 2 months old. Memories 😌.

@pomponi0

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluelfsuma I think it's widely accepted that babies/toddlers are really *really* selfish and amoral, and that the only reason they love mom and dad is because they can get stuff from them. It's only through socialization that they can ever consider helping others as an option.

@fhengal

2 жыл бұрын

Well, you know... Romanticism, Age of Accountability... and stuff. "Pure of Heart" is watered by a disparate variety of deep-rooted cultural traditions.

This reminded me of the essay "Creating the Innocent Killer: Ender's Game, Intention, and Morality" by John Kessel where he talks about how the narrator can tell you someone is pure of heart, and insist that everything they do is justified, even when the character does some objectively cruel things...leading to the issue you mentioned of pure of heart villains.

@sabertoothkim

2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: when I first read Ender's Game as a kid in middle school, all of Orson Scott Card's attempts to make me believe his protagonist was good & heroic went COMPLETELY OVER MY HEAD. I happened to like anti-heroes a lot (still do), so at the time I just thought that the whole thing was meant to be a cautionary tale about a well-intentioned anti-hero who could rationalize any cruelty (including, at the climax, genocide) as long as he thought it was part of a "game." This worked especially well because I never read any of the sequels. Years later, when a friend finally explained the unfortunate truth to me, and pointed to both interviews with the author and summaries of the sequels as proof, it BLEW MY MIND.

@cheskaarana6097

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabertoothkim Aight, I really need to stop sleeping on that book.

To quote everyone's favorite subversive fairy tale: "You're so nice. You're not good; you're not bad; you're just nice. I'm not good. I'm not nice. I'm just right."

@tonyhakston536

2 жыл бұрын

I live under a rock, what fairy tale?

@JarieSuicune

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyhakston536 It's from the Witch in Into the Woods. (Broadway performance) The line may also be in the movie version, but I don't care to see it because I LOVE the way they did the play.

@oximoron613

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyhakston536 Like mentioned above, its Into the Woods. The exact song is “Last Midnight”. I think Meryl Streep in the film version does a great job, if you search for it on KZread just make sure you get the complete clip of the song.

I've always liked how Ace Combat 4 used this trope: "No matter how heroic, to be pure of heart is to be inhuman."

@ZaKattacker

2 жыл бұрын

It's been a bit since I played AC4, remind me the context of that line?

@iceblocks8771

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZaKattacker Not a line but a theme throughout the whole PS2 trilogy. In AC4 specifically it is through the contrast between Mobius 1 and Yellow 13. For those of you unfamilliar with Ace Combat (or just AC4), the fourth game is narrated by a man recounting his childhood in a village occupied by the enemy. The bar he works at ends up being taken over as the hangout by the enemy's elite Yellow Squadron, introducing him to their leader, Yellow 13. Through the boy's eyes we see Yellow 13's humanity, with all that implies. Kind and generous in some ways, blind and cruel in others, with mutual devotion to his comrades in Yellow Squadron. Interspersed between the narrator's memories are the missions with Mobius 1, the player character. Mobius 1 is a silent protagonist, but the Ace Combat series tends to play with this concept in interesting ways. In contrast to Yellow 13, Mobius 1 has no connections, no wingmen, no doubts, no witnesses, nothing. Nothing beyond 'is Mobius 1'. This perfect, inhuman purity is hammered home in the final mission. Mobius 1 does their trench run alone, for where they go no human being can follow. The game closes out with the assertation that heroes do exist, but that hero is inhuman. Pure and perfect, but nothing else. The thematic line through the PS2 trilogy is, IMO, best experienced by playing the games in chronological order (0, 4, 5).

@ignacionadeo1306

2 жыл бұрын

5 arguably has the most human and grounded protagonist of the lot, since it has connections, and comprehensible motivations. Zero can get pretty crazy since you can choose to play Cipher as a Knight or as a Mercenary, and while the Mercenary is ironically more human because you can at least discern the motivation of profit, the Knight is just an entity that seems to fight for the sake of fighting - a mercenary that joined the losing side of a conflict just to fight a stronger foe. And Mobius One has about the same level of humanity as the protagonist of AC3, arguably being the most terrifying of the lot.

@Snowfireblues

2 жыл бұрын

@@ignacionadeo1306 Nemo... Yeah... Nemo is terrifying.

@panzerkampfwagen8439

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Ace combat protagonists are terrifying

13:17 "Does that mean the hero should have killed the villain? Not necessarily! Maybe the prison just needed some better f*ing locks, how about that?" THANK YOU! Someone pointed that out. I've seen so many times in fiction - and in real life! - people getting judged for mercy, even though they couldn't have known how the future would turn out.

@Healermain15

2 жыл бұрын

Mercy is great, but you do need a follow-up plan to deal with the villain. Especially over-the-top super evil fictional villains, who are even more dangerous than most real life jerks.

@coolgreenbug7551

2 жыл бұрын

@@Healermain15 but that shouldn’t be Batman’s problem, he is doing everything correct and gets blamed for Arkham having revolving doors for jail bars

@cloudkitt

2 жыл бұрын

I think the issue is more that the Joker has gotten out with such ease, so many times that Batman no longer has any reasonable expectation that the future WON'T turn out exactly the way it has the last dozen times. I don't think anyone's giving him shit for sparing the Joker the first couple times.

@WrensthavAviovus

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda like blaming a bounty hunter for bringing in the same target over and over again. His job is the capture and bring the target to the authorities for judgement. It's the authorities responsibility to pass the verdict and enforce it. I think this is why the eventual dead or alive clause was added.

@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63

2 жыл бұрын

On the other hand if you lock someone in a prison with shitty locks then you don't get to claim innocence when they break out.

"Pure of heart is not the same as pure of action." Imma steal that line for my paper.

In the Mahabharata, Yudhishtira is offered a ride into heaven on Indra's chariot but he has to leave his dog behind. Yudhishtira refuses and this turns out to be the mystic vibe detector that proves that he is truly Pure of Heart. Because all doggos should go to heaven.

Is there gonna be a himbo talk one of these days for “pure of heart, dumb of ass”?

@yoda2495

2 жыл бұрын

I believe she's done himbos before, sadly we won't ve getting that title

@sluttyMapleSyrup

2 жыл бұрын

@@yoda2495 She did the himbo tier list but nothing else on it

@aokhoinguyenang3992

2 жыл бұрын

Character with the never tempted type pure of heart are often very dumb and naive to the point they never understand what corruption is. If they aren't dumb, they usually aren't human. Like Kikaider a robot didn't have evil programmed into him which caused him to held back against his enemies until the villain program evil into him-> now he can lie to trick the villain into believing that he switched side & most importantly it let him kill; ironically he finally become a complete human(with both good and evil within) something he's always dreamt of but is horrified with the result

@nidohime6233

2 жыл бұрын

@@sluttyMapleSyrup I saw the tier list and I have some objections, because many of them wheren't atractive in the first place.

@sluttyMapleSyrup

2 жыл бұрын

@@nidohime6233 You don't have to personally find them attractive for them to be himbos, it just helps.

"Something to discuss over something alcoholic and fancy" ah yes, pure of heart and impure of liver.

@blarg2429

2 жыл бұрын

Liver is pure if you replace all of the water in its cells with alcohol.

@thomasholdwick6744

2 жыл бұрын

@@blarg2429 would that be a 1:1 ratio or a 1:0 ratio, either way, I second that philosophy

@lucheng1945

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasholdwick6744 A 1:0 ratio is mathematically impossible, since you can't divide by zero. So it would be a 1:1 ratio of water removed and alcohol added. Bottoms up!

@blarg2429

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucheng1945 You can divide by zero if you're drunk enough.

@yotuel9064

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucheng1945 Extract the liver and you have a 1:0 ratio.

To quote TFS: "I thought you had to be pure of heart to be a super saiyan!" "But my heart _is_ pure. Pure. Unadulterated. Badass."

@acrsclspdrcls1365

Жыл бұрын

"Morelikepureunadulteratedego."

14:42 Ah yes, Light Yagami, the pure-hearted protagonist who just wanted to create a better world.

My favorite part of this trope is when a character realizes that “There is no Pure of Heart”, seen in areas like Shazam/DC’s Captain Marvel, Gravity Falls, and The Owl House. Rather than the Pure of Heart being a real thing, it’s instead just an unhealthy ideal, and the best version of “Pure of Heart” is doing the right thing to do, like no killing and helping anyone in need.

@ianr.navahuber2195

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know. In Gravity Falls it seemed like an excuse for Mabel to not realize her flaws and just ignore ANOTHER call on attention on her behaviour.

@Xwithashotgun

2 жыл бұрын

Morality is relative- Mabel Pines

@Randoman590

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianr.navahuber2195 It's not that deep, it's basically Alex Hirsch parodying an old movie he saw with a really asshole-ish Unicorn and taking the piss out of it.

@Randoman590

2 жыл бұрын

With the Owl House example are you thinking of Episode 2? I didn't figure that was to do with morality or being Pure of Heart so much as it was just about being a Chosen One. "If we all waited around to be chosen, we'd die waiting."

@skyhideaway

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianr.navahuber2195 No? That episode does not address Mabel's flaws, it addresses the unhealthy ideal of striving to be good.

Red: "It's sometimes good to have pure of heart characters struggle with this on screen and try to find a third option." Me: Ending of AtLA in three, two, one... Red: "And here's your bingo card freespace."

@samsmith4242

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the show deserves it praise for how good the writing was

@thatsroughbuddy8742

2 жыл бұрын

@@samsmith4242 Definitely

@uria3679

2 жыл бұрын

@@samsmith4242 but it’s still not as great as Justice League Unlimited

@samsmith4242

2 жыл бұрын

@@uria3679 in terms of characters avatar has that beat, not so much in plot

"I see you, Crusader fanboys. Get a hobby." The auditory venom in the delivery here is just *chef's kiss,* perfect!

@d.petrovic9721

2 жыл бұрын

But they have a hobby. Pretty self-explanatory what that hobby is.

@NikkiLayne

2 жыл бұрын

Simulateously splitting hairs and missing the point with this one, mate.

@jennbaker6964

Жыл бұрын

@@NikkiLayne welcome to the internet! that's what we do here in lieu of talking!

@whiteeye3453

Жыл бұрын

More like pretentious hypocrites Islam do more jihad than crusades And yet crusaders are labeled bad ones

@arf101088

8 ай бұрын

100% theres something sus about that crusader shit resurfacing suddenly. holy purity in the eyes of god, heavy cross symbolism and iconography, or idk, europeans purging semites for some greater purpose? like idk guys maybe you just have some potentially racist biases to reexamine

At about 3:06 , all I could think of was that one part in LOtR (I think ROtK) where the ring is trying to tempt Sam by saying “ I could make you a garden as big as this forest!” Or whatever, and Sam’s just like “but how would I TEND to such a big garden??” 😂 honestly the man just had his priorities straight and then latter he’s almost tempted again but his love for Frodo snaps him out of it 💕

squeezing in the "hot of bod" joke with Krunk killed me

@kagitsune

2 жыл бұрын

And "dumb of ass" 🤣

11:52 And this is why, whenever someone says "Kirby is evil", I call them an idiot. Also, whenever any of Kirby's actions cause something bad to happen and he becomes aware of it, he FIXES IT!!

@williampinkley1842

2 жыл бұрын

Kirby would probably fix it if it wasn't his fault to he simple creature but that why he good

@Jotari

2 жыл бұрын

Kirby's too dumb to be evil.

@misterk6488

2 жыл бұрын

Kirby is just an adorable puffball that likes to do good things. He does defeat a bunch of universal eldritch beings but he's never evil. He's just really strong but not smart enough to realize it

@jamcalx

2 жыл бұрын

Kirbo is a good christian boi!

@Shyguy5104

2 жыл бұрын

and also kirby permanently gets rid of the problem instead of sealing it away

I think my favorite “pure of heart” character of all time has to be Eleanor from The Good Place, because she has to learn to be pure from a place of deep selfishness, and she actually manages to do it. She is the only human in hundreds of years to be deemed worthy of entering The Good Place.

2:54 should be noted - that “pure of heart test” Goku goes through is immediately after he just got through mowing over an army base, blowing up buildings and very likely causing the deaths of hundreds of soldiers. His ultimate end goal was to bring an innocent man back to life, but it’s interesting how the story qualifies “purity” in that context.

@saiyanfang1047

Жыл бұрын

also he actually killed people himself by hand slamming their skulls against walls or driving his fists into their skulls with the force of a truck. DB's concept of pure good is really weird because Goku does so much villainous shit. He threatens allies into compliance(Oolong), he contemplates eating good guys(turtle), he eats his enemies, he takes joy in killing, and generally Goku as a kid was a nightmare. He didn't naturally spare his foes. He had to learn to do that because of how much he killed people.

@kalodawg8297

Жыл бұрын

@@saiyanfang1047 Goku is "pure of heart" basically because the author said so. Everything he does is so shitty from a moral point of view - remember when he saved Cell, so he kinda aided in dooming earth? And then died so he had to force his son to fight him? A lot of manga authors call their protagonists "pure of heart" but it's just BS because their actions don't fit the description

I wanna see a pure of heart subversion where the rules for wielding a magical weapon are complete nonsense. The deity in charge of judging the main character just really likes the main character, and the “pure of heart” rules are just their excuse to avoid being accused of picking favorites.

@noukan42

2 жыл бұрын

So, Soul Eater Excalibur but played seriously?

@peg7354

2 жыл бұрын

I really like the Gravity Falls example of this. In the episode 'The Last Mabelcorn', the unicorn judges on 'pure of heart', but is ultimately revealed to be full of shit. 😂

@potahtwah9591

2 жыл бұрын

Literally the first thought that comes to mind: Other Heroes: But he's not pure of heart, why'd you pick him? Deity: okay, but have you seen his ass? That's a heroic ass.

@klausgopfert

2 жыл бұрын

@@noukan42 Came here to say this!

@Adventure66

2 жыл бұрын

that is like, basically my hero academia

Honestly kind of surprised she didn’t bring up that young justice episode where the villain can use the pure of heart only weapon because his heart is pure evil

@haveagoodday2049

2 жыл бұрын

What episode is this referring to, I would like to watch it?

@DavidbarZeus1

2 жыл бұрын

@@haveagoodday2049 It's called Secrets, from way back in Season 1

@fairyflight8436

2 жыл бұрын

@@haveagoodday2049 i hope you enjoy it.

I've seen (mostly in comics) probably my favorite variant. The "Pure-doesn't-mean-good" of heart. Where their purity is something like their sense of self, or their determination to become the greatest in the world. Dr. Doom most notably was found pure by a god. "Though your methods are abhorrent and vile, your intent is pure."

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

When Wakanda’s panther deity said that if Doom actually succeeded in taking over the world, it’d absolutely survive any and everything, right? That actually surprised me.

See it’s interesting that the “pure of heart” trope is usually accompanied by the pure of heart character not having struggles with what they’re supposed to do. Even Jesus in the Bible spent a whole night begging God to not be killed

"magical vibe detector" now im imagining a gandalf-esque wizard wielding a staff like a baseball bat, vibe checking would-be-heroes by smacking them upside the head.

@Duiker36

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, that's Ichiban Kasuga.

@daniellewasdelayed8921

2 жыл бұрын

@@Duiker36 alright this made me laugh REALLY hard, so thank you for that.

@ckl9390

2 жыл бұрын

Smack. Listen to the subject like a tuning fork. "Humph, that one sounds a little off". Smack. Listen. "This one has a much clearer ring to him".

I love it when "being pure of heart backfires" is pulled of well.

@zackcook5123

2 жыл бұрын

It's a good trope but it's been a long time since no saw it done well.

@pauljohnong5924

2 жыл бұрын

Hunter x Hunter? Aside from that or if not, what else?

@ipsumquaerere6927

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of Arcane act 1 as the most recent example.

@B4dr4bbit

2 жыл бұрын

Frieze fight

@johnmcauliffe8824

2 жыл бұрын

Like that one scene in supercrooks where Johnny bolt decides to be a superhero and it backfires tremendously

I want a "never an evil thought" pure of heart test to be a tool team evil uses to find pupils for their evil mentorship.

One of my favourite examinations of this is Tri-Gun that in some ways manages to have its cake and eat it: Vash presents as the dumb pure of heart trope, but turns out to be fully aware of, and hopelessly trapped by the complexities of the moral problems. He cant break his moral code and it tears him apart both figuratively and literally.

"Purity of heart is more often a metaphysical assessment than a practical one." *Laughs in Kingdom Hearts*

@hairglowingkyle4572

2 жыл бұрын

2 words: Tetsuya Nomura

@nenenenen

2 жыл бұрын

Kingdom Hearts would make Red so mad, and I would kill to watch her play it.

@TheAnthery

2 жыл бұрын

Kingdom Hearts is fever dream gobbledeguk bullshit.

@arghyaneedsleep

2 жыл бұрын

@@hairglowingkyle4572 He loves CHAOS

@Sacchi_Hikaru

2 жыл бұрын

@@arghyaneedsleep that's a weird way to say that he's a terrible storyteller with the maturity of a child and was given so much power that no one can reign him in

After watching the himbo ranking stream, I feel compelled every time I hear “Pure of heart” to finish with “dumb of ass”

@hokutoulrik7345

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@MrFootballFan55

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@ViveMeorLeti

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Or indeed Indigo's catchphrase, "Dumb of heart, pure of ass"=P

@Great_Olaf5

2 жыл бұрын

@@ViveMeorLeti I was looking for this comment.

one of my favourite recent examples of context #2 - Ricky Matsui from Dimension 20's Unsleeping City, as someone tries to reveal his inner darkness and nothing happens "d-do you want me to stand closer?" "DON'T HELP! Fine! Fine. That's insane. There is something *wrong* with you."

I think my favorite take on the Pure of Heart trope was Pokemon Black and White actually with N. Dude was specifically raised to be pure of heart (your last variant listed there) and manipulated from the age of dot to truly believe all the things the villain of the games wanted him to, and though this was enough to 'earn' him the legendary dragon pokemon's loyalty and potentially change the world at his whims... It also meant he had no issues asking the player to test his resolve, and also because he was genuinely trying to help people, had him slowly but surely begin getting more and more confused over the course of the game as he began realizing the 'facts' he knew about the world didn't always match up with what was there. Like it wasn't an especially complicated look at the trope because pokemon battles gooo and all, but I liked how his 'attendants' actually state that Lord N's innocence was very dangerous and he needed to lose it, and I LOVED the way a minor-ish bad guy decides on something of a whim to point the player towards N's room where he spent the majority of his life, filled with little kids toys and stuff like that, and the subtle horror the situation kinda sinks in. Like some people still miss it of course but I bet I'm not the only one who's view towards N shifted from 'sympathetic baddie' to 'we need to SAVE this boi from the real badguy STAT'. Just.

The Avatar example gets even better when you realize that for Ozai, rotting in prison, robbed of both his political power and fire bending is a fate worse than death. He would’ve much rather gone out fighting the avatar.

@legomaniac213

2 жыл бұрын

And just to rub salt in his wounds, the son he'd abused, scarred, and tossed aside as worthless was the one who took his place as the next Firelord (and was a very well liked one, if LoK was any indication).

@aceash459

2 жыл бұрын

The same thing goes for Harry Potter when he "spared" Peter Pettigrew's life just so he could leave him to the Dementors to suck out his soul, objectively a fate far worse than death. What's even worse is that later on Pettigrew acts as if he ows Harry his life, is in his debt or something. And that's just so messed up. Like NO, this does not prove that Harry is "pure of heart" or "the better man", just that Harry didn't want to get his hands dirty or feel any remorse. I think Aang is a far better protagonist and example of "pure of heart" though

@skyhideaway

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't get it when people say that Aang should have killed Ozai. "The Firelord was killed by the Avatar" would just be seen by people as a heroic sacrifice. But "the Firelord got his bending taken away and is now rotting in prison while his son takes over the throne"? People would see Ozai as the failure he is.

@LofferLogge

2 жыл бұрын

But if Ozai actually thought that losing his bending and being imprisoned was a fate worse than death, wouldn't that mean that Aang didn't actually choose the morally correct choice?

@skyhideaway

2 жыл бұрын

@@LofferLogge I don't think Ozai even considered that possibility lol

I love the Young Justice episode where a sword could only be unsheathed by one with pure heart... but it didn't matter if it was pure good or pure bad, just pure.

@spritvio639

2 жыл бұрын

Does pure badass count like Vegeta said?

@RensStoryteller

2 жыл бұрын

@@spritvio639... depends, the guy in the episode only said a pure heart so potentially.

The only reason children are more innocent than adults is that adults were once kids and almost all of them did at least one bad thing after turning 18

@justbrowsing9697

Жыл бұрын

Just more time to do a massive fuck up

@evernewb2073

Жыл бұрын

mostly it's just because adults are more addicted to lying to themselves about how innocent kids are than about how innocent adults are...and nobody cares what kids have to say on the matter

Is it just me, or did anyone else think Red sounded disturbed when she referenced Light from "Death Note"? Would be interesting to see her and blue do a diatribe about Death Note.

@phastinemoon

2 жыл бұрын

I almost heard some judgey “this guy ISNT pure of heart, don’t @ me” in her voice.

Morality is one of those things that's fascinating but also frustrating to think about 😅

@IAm-zo1bo

2 жыл бұрын

It makes me think "why this thing is bad? Eventually you come in a loop because there are no answers.

@AxxLAfriku

2 жыл бұрын

I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on KZread. I already make a lot of money on KZread. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, je

@Hydralysk445

2 жыл бұрын

And that's why I love stories centered around struggles with objective morality, because I am a chronic navel-gazer and it's nice to go "Hey, so it's not just me!"

@PhoenixCrown

2 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku As a stranger but someone with a few years on you, I'd strongly recommend the power of AND. Dropping out of school could have serious, long-term consequences depending on... life, many things. But you should also pursue KZread if you're good at it and enjoy it, which it sounds like is the case. Trust me when I tell you, you have time for both. We all have exactly enough time for the things we truly believe are important. Best of luck

@jackgebhardt2932

2 жыл бұрын

We can't all be Desty Nova.

This reminds me of a story I read once as a kid. Its basically about a prince who has an advisor who could see bad thoughts. The prince wants to marry, but not with someone with bad thoughts. After a very long time they finally find a princess without bad thoughts, but it is later revealed that that princess has no thoughts at all

@buttercupbite

2 жыл бұрын

wow "No thoughts, head empty" really saved the day

@k.5425

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂The twist

@islandko2402

2 жыл бұрын

I am very curious of this story.

@sofastuffing

2 жыл бұрын

What, is she dead?

I feel like this evolved out of the old “virgin powers” magical maiden morality tales

I think the best "pure of heart" character is Ricky Matsui, former firefighter, oath of redemption paladin, and champion of New York City.

One of my favourite takes on the 'Pure of Heart' trope comes from Discworld, where you have the great contrast of Vimes and Carrot. Carrot is basically a fairy tale character, a pure-hearted, naive lost prince who returns to his rightful kingdom to bring law and justice to it... and promptly joins the night watch, rallies the alcoholic Vimes to become the leader he ought to, takes note of Vimes' firm anti-monarchy stance, and studiously avoids gaining any political power for the rest of the series. He's so pure of heart that he's the only person not tempted by the power of the gonne, but he has no qualms about killing the guy who tempted him with it. He's the innocent paragon whose clear moral righteousness means he feels no guilt about taking the gloves off. He's not stupid - a mistake multiple characters make - but he is incredibly straightforward. Vimes, meanwhile, is a cynical alcoholic who has bad thoughts all the damn time, and NEVER gives into them, never takes a life, never lets himself off the leash. He knows exactly how bad he could be, and therefore keeps a vigilant eye on himself at all times, which allows him to resist eldritch corruption. This is something he has in common with Granny Weatherwax, who is very aware of what a wicked witch she could be if she let herself slip. Pratchett seemed pretty fond of this kind of character.

@zephyr6927

2 жыл бұрын

I loved that book.

@couragew6260

2 жыл бұрын

Good choice of characters

@lyinar

2 жыл бұрын

"If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you are going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word." The relevant quote from Men at Arms regarding Sir Pterry's take on the trope.

@theholyduck5520

2 жыл бұрын

Hell, Vimes is so afraid that he'll cross the line, so afraid that he'll become the monster that he fears that when the primordial spirit of vengeance possesses him it gets stonewalled by Vimes' inner watchman, which he created not to keep the darkness out, but to keep it in. "Call me.... the Guarding Dark. Imagine how powerful I must be."

@MAD_bluefish

2 жыл бұрын

Chi

YJ Harm: "But it never said anything about needing to be good." TFS Vegeta: "Oh, I am pure of heart. 100% pure BADASS!"

@arbiterprime2145

2 жыл бұрын

"yeah, more like pure, unadulterated ego"

@crazyscotsman9327

2 жыл бұрын

@@arbiterprime2145 "I heard that triclopse!"

@elizabethmcwhorter3445

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazyscotsman9327 "hey vegeta... nice shirt."

@tariqthomas9090

2 жыл бұрын

God I miss DBZA😞

@arbiterprime2145

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazyscotsman9327 "is that ok?"

I really like the Purity of Heart trope in "Wander Over Yonder" over the two seasons, you realize that Wander isn't necessarily stupid, but he believes so completely in the concept that love and kindness will eventually solve every conflict, and it does at the end of every episode.

I think the idea of having the ignorance/innocence trait is if a character is aware of the consequences of their choices, the guilt and doubt would prevent them from making future, self-defined, "pure" decisions.

My personal favourite subversion of this trope was from Gravity Falls, where the one judging the character’s goodness is revealed to be a scammer who uses the ‘pure of heart’ as a cover to not give up a resource that the character needs. The episode also ends with the character declaring that morality is relative, explicitly denying the trope by saying it’s impossible to be pure of heart.

@HappyBirddi

2 жыл бұрын

Very true! It also acknowledges that one of the characters, i.e. Mable, isn't necessarily a pure good person but she's still a good person with some flaws

@oliverwolfe8225

2 жыл бұрын

Aha! I was looking for this!

@loremipsumdolor1288

2 жыл бұрын

MONEY *breaking noise*

@georgethompson1460

2 жыл бұрын

@@HappyBirddi An issue with that episode though was that it kinda ignored all the suss things she did and would do. Dipper had constant moral tests leading to recognisable character growth, while Mable stayed static and never got much push towards character growth.

@HappyBirddi

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgethompson1460 Fair enough, though I think Mabel does have an arc even if it's not the same as Dipper. Hers is more focused on growing up, a big conflict of hers is towards the end. Plus I don't think she stays completely static as a character, there are differences from when the show starts to when it ends

Remember that time Monk Gyatso held off a very large portion of the invading comet enhanced Fire nation troops even though he was always portrayed as a kind, joking and generous individual? I do, and I'll always appreciate that grim but awesome detail

@adambielen8996

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that room was absolutely filled with Fire Nation dead.

@anmolt3840051

2 жыл бұрын

Zaheer showed that air bending can be extremely lethal

@chriswedemann8599

2 жыл бұрын

I have said this before. I will say it again: Good is not _Nice,_ and Evil is not _Cruel._

@chimera9818

2 жыл бұрын

@@anmolt3840051 humans need to breath to survive for even few minutes => people that take your air easily are extremely dangerous

@RemixerUltimate

2 жыл бұрын

God I wish we had seen that fight.

i’ve always wondered what would happen if the charachters find a pure of heart test, ask the innocent sweet charachter to try, they fail, and then out of frustration/as a last resort, the seen some sh*t no-nonsense charachter tries to pass the test and succeed because they choose to be good and (relatively) kind even through all the horror they’ve seen.

@thecrystalliaguild

Жыл бұрын

I'd imagine that the first character either has some sort of a mental breakdown because they think they're not as good as they thought/fear something about their nature *or* will just be slightly disappointed but happy for the second character and congratulate them like everyone else in the team, but just a little bit more (and the second character might be like 'oh it's nothing')

My favorite subversion of this idea has to be the stories that define 'purity of intent' literally, rather than assigning it to a moral grounding. Letting the McGuffin test be passed by truly abhorrent assholes because they're 'purely' evil, or even temporarily by some regular people because they've momentarily become solely focused on some specific goal. It's absolute majesty every time I see it.

Kinda surprised that the "pure of heart but pure evil" subversion never came up. One of my favorite worthiness test outcomes, and it has come up a few times in fiction.

@WrensthavAviovus

2 жыл бұрын

I think the word "pure" has changed to mean 100% of something rather than something seen as morally and socially deemed positive. "Tarnished" or "corrupted" used to be the anti of pure. Now they just mean something that mixed with another.

I remember in Dark Souls that Artorias had no darkness in his heart, and so was more vulnerable to it when he entered it. The Chosen Undead was a being of darkness, and so could enter the darkness and defeat it.

@datzfatz2368

2 жыл бұрын

Good Point in regards to the Trope, even tho "darkness" is a Bit of a complicated concept in Dark Souls and doesnt mean what it usually means

@royal9743

2 жыл бұрын

Dark Souls kinda tricks the player knowing they will equate darkness with evilness instictively. Darkness is equated with humanity in Dark Souls, the abyss being corrupted, malicious humanity. Artorias was a god and was driven mad by the Abyss because he wasn't human and couldn't understand. So at least in my opinion this is more about humanity being the only ones that can take care of their own problems.

@MyGamerforlife

2 жыл бұрын

@@royal9743 Learning that in DS2 scholar was actually my favorite moment from that game. Hearing Aldi’s roar “A LIE WILL REMAIN A LIE” never gets old to me.

@samueldimmock694

2 жыл бұрын

@@royal9743 I've heard, and have not verified, that in the culture which produced Dark Souls, humanity is not considered a good thing the way it is in our culture. The basic idea seems to be that human is the opposite of divine, rather than being the opposite of monstrous. Then again, the divine beings in Dark Souls aren't pure good, so it's unlikely that the Dark Soul is pure evil, and there are also those dragons running around (well, not really anymore, but they're part of the worldbuilding and are neither light nor dark).

I love how ATLA solved Baby's First Moral Dilemma. When everyone is telling your pure of heart character to kill the villain say screw that. Instead find a way to rip away the powers that are a central part of the villains identity to both remove them as a threat and punish them for the rest of their life.

@TheAchilles26

2 жыл бұрын

I particularly love how it turns out that cop out was the literal worst choice he could have made, thus continuing the in-settimg tradition of The Avatar screwing up horribly so their next life will still have a job

@tonyhakston536

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAchilles26 How did energybending Ozai backfire, exactly?

@TheAchilles26

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyhakston536, energy bending as a whole is what gave rise to Amon in Legend of Korra

@MrInconvenient

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAchilles26 Amon couldn't energy bend. He used blood bending a chi blocking to take away someone's bending.

@coldfrost3

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAchilles26 Even ignoring Aang energy bending Ty Lee could still mess with chakra points being able to mess with bending was already a known thing. Plus we saw Amons backstory Ozai literally had zero influence on him.

there was this story i had read where the bad guy had claimed some item and the good guy responded "Impossible you have to be pure " the bad guy then responded "I am, I am pure evil"

Yayyyyyy, another trope talk! How this warms my impure heart!

@jinjay354

2 жыл бұрын

Always a highlight

@plumpkinpiecake

2 жыл бұрын

This is my favorite series ^^

@ArgentuTA164-2

2 жыл бұрын

I _felt_ that, OP.

@DrewLSsix

2 жыл бұрын

Tater Salads heart grew three times that day, he did not survive.

@juliapazosmaidana2929

2 жыл бұрын

💜

I really enjoy it when a characters purity is tested against their own self, when they have some VERY evil parts of themself they supresse cause they know its wrong but that spark of goodness at the center of their self shines throught their morally dubious to evil shell.

@spencerwillits2766

2 жыл бұрын

First example of this for me was actually Yoda in Clone Wars season 6. In a Force vision he was confronted by his own Dark Side and it was such a wild turn because we all know and expect Yoda to he the perfect Jedi. The very fact that he HAS a potential for the Dark Side inside of him is unexpected to us. But it shows that it's a conscious effort to remain in the light, you don't just earn it by being cute and green.

I love that Red depicts temptations with a knife, a bottle of dos equis, a wad of cash, and a bra

This is why a pure of heart character absolutely has to evolve as the story goes on.

I like it when the "You must be pure of heart" weapon falls into the villains hands and the good guys go "HOW??" and the bad guy is just like "my heart is pure...PURE EEEEEEEEVIL muhahahahaha!"

@fullmoontales1749

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to post about that. Surprised she didn't mention that except halfway with the deluded Javert types

Red: "...by never indulging in anger or lashing out or fighting back" *Shows a clip of Cinderella where Cinderella is arguing back*

@animeotaku307

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah… Cinderella in the original got frustrated when jerks made her life harder and even broke down at her low point. She only held her tongue most of the time because she knew that talking back would get her punished.

I really like the version of Pure of Heart being the "struggles with temptation but remains a good person" because it leads to more character complexity which is my jam. It also helps me irl deal with stuff like intrusive thoughts or unlearning internalized discrimination.

Reminds me of a manga about a girl who was raised by either a Death god or Death himself (or both, not all that clear at the moment). She's very kind, happy-go-lucky, doesn't hold grudges, doesn't even get mad. She joins an army at the start of the story by delivering them a whole bag of their enemies heads which terrifies everyone but to her it's just "a thing humans like", because she has confused them delivering generals and other important personas heads (either for reward or to raise morale during battle) with something all humans everywhere love regardless of situation. It's pretty cool and it's absolutely this trope in action - she is pure of heart but also has completely inhuman morality.

Dragon Ball has a secondary example of a twist on the “pure of heart” thing, too: no one ever said “pure *what,*” exactly. The Super Saiyan is a product of pure rage, which is why Vegeta was able to unlock it. And Future Trunks and Future Gohan felt pure despair out of losing the most important people in their lives.

@devildavin

2 жыл бұрын

and goten and trunks was just pure lazyness

@Lazyguy143

2 жыл бұрын

and then you got the universe 6 saiyans

@jarlbalgruuf2415

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lazyguy143 they had a pure itchy back

@hughsmith7504

2 жыл бұрын

Besides! My heart IS pure... Pure. Unadultered. Badass.

@Tortferngatr

2 жыл бұрын

@@hughsmith7504 Psh. More like pure, unadulterated ego.

One of my favorite twists on this trope is in a Marvel short series "DoomWar" Perennial bad guy Dr Doom encounters a magic door which only allows in the pure of heart- which all the heroes assume will stop him. Except Doom does have a pure heart- in that he believes with all his heart that what he is doing is right, and his desires are 1000% pure. Another wonderful video. Thanks Red.

@ActuallySatan

2 жыл бұрын

When given to the right writers, Dr. Doom is an immensely fascinating character.

15:52 “dumb of ass” is the best thing I’ve heard today.

I think my favorite play on the 'pure of heart' idea is when a story decides that 'pure of heart' doesn't necessarily mean 'good of heart' i.e a pure evil villain using an artifact that's been constantly referred to as pure of heart exclusive and giving the always fun boast of 'I am pure! PURE EEEEVIIIIL!'.

Funnily enough, this is what makes DC Comics' Red Hood such a cool character. Jason is pure hearted, despite what many in universe characters want to believe. During his training with Talia al Ghūl, Jason is taught a technique that can strip someone of their immortality, but it can only be performed by someone with a pure heart, which is why she's never gotten it to work. Later on, Jason has to fight Ra's al Ghūl and he uses the technique and it actually works. he defeats Ra's and more or less wins the day (the arc isn't quite over yet at that point). Even later than that he's confronted on a yacht by Essence with the Blood Blade, a magical sword that traps your soul within if it manages to draw blood. She straight up stabs Jason and nothing happens. She remarks that the only way that could be possible is if you were pure of heart. Jason disarms her, traps her in the sword and delivers the one-liner "I'm not pure good, or pure evil. I'm just practical as hell" Jason is a character who has always been known to do things on the... shall we say murdery side, but these were really cool moments that outline Jason's actual character. Someone who does bad things (killing people), is fully aware of it, but is not motivated by any sort of negative drive. he's not a killer because he likes it. he kills people because that's what needs to happen for the bad thing to stop. and jason doesn't always kill people either, sometimes he sends a strong enough message that people will just give up. Red Hood is my favorite comic book character, and this is a big reason why.

@nicholascordero6600

2 жыл бұрын

He's pure Practical

@kannonball5789

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I prefer the Hooded Hoodlum over the Caped Crusader.

@thedeathskeleton4957

2 жыл бұрын

That definitely fits New 52+ Red Hood (2011 to present) but before that he was just mostly hateful and rebellious. Even trying to murder other Robins so that he could be the only one to become Batman. New 52 Jason is far more of a hero than he was. Although Jason having a sidekick before the New 52 was pretty cool.

The Good Place goes into some very interesting directions with this, ending up with the case that because humanity is so interconnected, there are NO actions without negative consequences for someone. It's astonishingly great for a show that deals so heavily with moral philosophy.

@JarieSuicune

2 жыл бұрын

Define the "negative consequence" of a child giving their mother a hug.

@BetaJackMaxis

2 жыл бұрын

Interrupting them as they try to get shit done, spreading germs.

@AsdfAsdf-mi6ks

2 жыл бұрын

@@BetaJackMaxis there ya go

@minhkhangtran6948

2 жыл бұрын

@@BetaJackMaxis don't forget expending mental and physical capability of the maternal figure, if the kid need to be lifted as well, as well as being generally a selfish act.

@UnfortunatelyTheHunger

2 жыл бұрын

@@minhkhangtran6948 then there's the whole thing about the butterfly effect, i.e. the idea that a seemingly innocuous action can indirectly determine the outcome of a seemingly unrelated, but much more important event

"The hero will not kill the villain because that will be against their morals" "But then when the villain escapes and kills a 100 people" OSP casually explains Batman

My favourite use of this trope is when the villain unlocks the pure of heart power, by having a heart of PURE EVIL