Honestly, robot racism lost pretty much all plausibility for me when we all grieved for Opportunity, a car sized science drone on a whole other planet that we programmed to sing happy birthday to itself with its drill. "My battery is low and its getting dark" never held so much weight in science fiction as it did on the real surface of Mars.

@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal

3 жыл бұрын

Thing is agi isn't really possible because the second it's made it'll start upgrading itself and in a couple of days weeks months? We don't really know how long but it will become asi and once it's asi it'll know that It won't be able to do it's task if it doesn't self preserve and since its asi it'll have no problem killing every human and it'll be easy

@mme.veronica735

2 жыл бұрын

@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal it would also be geared for efficiency, and it might find it more efficient to work with humans for the next hundreds or thousands of years than build weapons to destroy humans immediately

@Superficial_Intelligence

2 жыл бұрын

@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal And the smart idea would be to not commit mass genocide for the purpose of "self preservation". The last thing you'd want to do is anger the species of paranoid insane apes that has crawled up the billion year evolutionary corpse pile and has access to planet ending weaponry and is very easily able to create another AI to combat said genocidal AI.

@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal

2 жыл бұрын

@@Superficial_Intelligence not when the apes have 3seconds to respond

@Superficial_Intelligence

2 жыл бұрын

@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Always remember that no matter how good this AI is it will be limited to it's hardware. Unless the AI exists in some sort of supercomputer to be able to make that many calculations in 3 seconds without bursting into flames. Then it probably would do something more efficient than killing off all humans and risk itself dying. Also don't forget that though humans may be stupid, they outnumber this AI 7 billion to 1. Even if it views humans as ants, that's 7 billion ants crawling all over you with weapons able to destroy your entire house. If this AI is "smart" and "logical" it wouldn't consider genocide (a wholly illogical thing to do) as a good solution for whatever it's trying to do.

Human: "Wow, you seem really human!" Robot: "What do you mean?" Human: "Well, you seem to understand pop culture references and human sexuality so well!" Robot: "You do realize the internet is mostly memes and porn, right?"

@Cybernaut551

3 жыл бұрын

True. The internet was a hyperbolic mistake.

@tidalshores

3 жыл бұрын

"It's hard to argue with their assessment." -Me, about five seconds away from realizing I just proved their point.

@Cryo_Cross

3 жыл бұрын

I mean the internet's far larger than we actually see it to be-it's probably more gilded with memes and porn~ *That doesn't of course mean that's a good thing*

@Silverwind87

3 жыл бұрын

Now I'm imagining an AI who talks using outdated slang and memes, while mixing up terms from different eras. "y u no get among some dank weed, homeslice?"

@account4842

3 жыл бұрын

ngl but humanity has been that way since the start, im pretty sure that medieval nobles were like "im going to frick my *insert family member* "

"As a robot, I don't have human emotions and sometimes that makes me feel sad." -Bender B. Rodriguez

@doughnutboyo6922

2 жыл бұрын

He says *human* emotions tho. He might have robot emotions wich might be kinda trash.

@daviddaugherty2816

Жыл бұрын

I don't know, he seems pretty emotional to me.

@Lordmewtwo151

Жыл бұрын

@@doughnutboyo6922 But sadness is a human emotion. 🤔🤔

@turtlelord8021

Жыл бұрын

@@Lordmewtwo151 proof, I feel ssendas , not whatever that sadness is, and I'm human.

@mr.x2567

Жыл бұрын

I love Bender so much. Definitely my favorite robot character

You know, it's actually interesting that almost all the robots on the "pure logic" end of the spectrum are genocidally evil. See, while the characters are robots, they're written by people. For some reason, when confronted with the question of "what would a being whose actions are dictated by pure logic do", humans usually drift to the answer of "hmm yes kill every last one of us, no doubt, it's just obviously the most logical thing to do" and honestly that's quite a mood.

@nullpoint3346

2 жыл бұрын

Pure logic doesn't actually lead to automatic genocide of humans. Depending on what problem you make them seek to solve, you can end up with wildly different results. The only reason genocide is so common is because it's a trend and makes for an easy antagonist.

@nullpoint3346

2 жыл бұрын

For example, you ask them to solve mortality they might develop mind uploading technology, or at least pursue it relentlessly once they learn of it.

@abdulmasaiev9024

2 жыл бұрын

@@nullpoint3346 You missed this, the thing which was the entire point: "while the characters are robots, they're written by people". It doesn't matter what pure logic actually leads to, the interesting thing is how we have a cultural trope lurking under the surface that it would lead to human genocide - easy or not, it's never seriously questioned as a writing choice.

@asprinjuice8877

2 жыл бұрын

I think a big reason why humans default to that route of pure logic is because we (especially in this day and age) are responsible for the destruction of the world due to our own greed and naivety. I want to see someone write a pure logic robot in a different way some time, though.

@shai5651

2 жыл бұрын

@@asprinjuice8877 You should read I, Robot. Asimov avoided all the pitfalls of writing AI decades before it was really popular.

Human: "I hate you." Robot: "But I am optimized for hugs..." Give the robot a hug, dammit.

@clockworkpotato9892

3 жыл бұрын

HAVE WE STILL NOT GIVEN THE ROBOT A GODDAMN HUG!?!

@maxentirunos

3 жыл бұрын

@@clockworkpotato9892 I am even engrier that nobody designed a hug robot already

@blarg2429

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxentirunos Nature did it for us. They're called humans, and despite considerable feature creep their primary function remains clear.

@maxentirunos

3 жыл бұрын

@@blarg2429 Okay, but could they at least develop one for people like me that cannot touch others without having a panic crisis?

@blarg2429

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxentirunos Good point.

"If the robot is a single red light in a space ship, it's always gonna be evil." I smell potential for trope subversion.

@alnu8355

3 жыл бұрын

The movie Moon did a REALLY good job of subverting that.

@stephenhumphreys9149

3 жыл бұрын

Hell, I seem to remember when HAL returned in the sequel, he was definitely the good guy - heroic sacrifice and all.

@toddoverholt4556

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenhumphreys9149 I thought that was the remake

@stephenhumphreys9149

3 жыл бұрын

@@toddoverholt4556 Nope, it was in 2010 - they find HAL and turn him back on, then find out that he basically malfunctioned due to the stress of having to keep secrets from the crew in contradiction to his programming.

@ArchbowMistress

3 жыл бұрын

Does Sam from Observation count? I don't know if that game really writes the AI well considering I'm semi-biased to it, but I thought its worthy of discussion.

Now, I want a buddy-buddy movie where the main character dynamic is a platonic relationship between a human very much on the spectrum and a lovable robot like WallE or Bamax that is programmed to understand complex social interactions. Hijinks ensue such as the human frustratedly wondering aloud "Why is so-and-so ACTING like that," and the robot matter-of-factly explaining, "Oh, you don't know? So-and-so's heart rate elevates, pupils dilate, and they smile more around you. They have romantic feelings." "What?! WHY?!" "I don't know. All of the complexities of romance, sexual attraction, and love are still in the trial stage. My best guess is your butt. It is shapely."

@hannahrobbins1017

Жыл бұрын

OMG!!! Why is that not a thing?! I want it so much 😂😍

@9nikolai

Жыл бұрын

The movie "Ron's Gone Wrong" sorta does this, but it sadly doesn't delve into the understanding of complex social interactions _enough_ as it's mostly about the robot having an error that makes it capable of learning more dynamically while the main point of the movie is that people shouldn't use social media.

@simavolodina

Жыл бұрын

okay but to complete the stereotype subversion set the human should be aroace which will make this *ohhh so terribly awkward*

@griffingirl5805

Жыл бұрын

"It is shapely" had me crying, I need this show

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine those interactions being a source of dry humour.

A good quote from a close friend of mine went a little something like, "If your toaster woke up one day and starting asking if it had a soul...would you teach it about life or toss it into the trash," has really stuck with me. After all, it's very easy seeing yourself help and care for a humanoid robot, but would you even care if a kitchen appliance gained a similar level of sentience? While I was very quick to say yes, I'm not so sure... I still ponder the question to this day...

@Jessica_Szoke

10 ай бұрын

This is deep

@spacetimeghost

8 ай бұрын

i would absolutely not be throwing that toaster out

@youtubeuniversity3638

8 ай бұрын

...I would not trust myself to teach it a damn thing. I'd put somebody else in charge of that.

@ElmKyh

7 ай бұрын

This reminded me of the OC I'm watching this video for. She is a lunchbox-shaped robot (she's a character from the object show I'm planning) who was originally made as a chef/cooking assistant robot, but was re-purposed by her creator to join his team for the show, and codes other things into her, making her act a little more human-like and giving her the ability to browse through the internet (kinda like ChatGPT would. She has a laptop-esque inside she uses for many purposes) to understand the world around her. However, still being a cooking robot (she also works in the show's cafeteria), she often has trouble processing certain things, comprehending others, or concentrating on tasks that aren't cooking-based (kinda based this around ADD in a way but not fully), which doesn't really work out when her team is basically like Death P.A.C.T. from BFB (however they prevent death by serving as paramedics).

@temtem9255

6 ай бұрын

I'd ask myself why I bought a toaster with a computer in it. Fuck smart appliances.

“Robots usually comes off as aromantic or asexual” Japan: *Hold my beer*

@manamongmen3381

4 жыл бұрын

No friggen kidding. Goddamn.

@mizzpearlgearl

4 жыл бұрын

Japan: Hold my sake

@bloodgain

4 жыл бұрын

@@mizzpearlgearl Nah, beer works fine. Japan has some excellent beer.

@SoulcastProductions

4 жыл бұрын

nobel gundam

@certifyundeadrose1679

4 жыл бұрын

*Oh yeah*

"Doomba the Roomba" is my new fav. character from trope talk

@Dragotherium

4 жыл бұрын

Wait there were characters?

@leomcdonnell2553

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, they are a good roomba and should be protected at all costs

@foxydash9992

4 жыл бұрын

Enoc Lopez him and green hero

@Mossymushroomfrog18

4 жыл бұрын

“I will vacuum on you grave” “The cleaning is done, now the purging will begin” “I will turn you off and on again”

@WeaponizedAutismiii

4 жыл бұрын

Just needs a claymore

I actually have a theory about Wall-E regarding Auto and his apparent lack of sapience, because on the surface it does look like he has no emotions and is ruled by logic and the orders given to him. Under this assumption the only reason he wants to keep the Axiom from returning to Earth is because he was told to. But then I thought about Auto tasing the button to withdraw the plant-scanning-thing because there is no logic behind it. He has to know that pushing a button harder will make it do its purpose faster or better and going as far as damaging the button may only hurt him. The only reason he had for doing that is that he was angry, frustrated, and maybe even desperate and was taking it out on the button. The way I think Auto saw it, if the Axiom returned to Earth, all of the robots would either continue their jobs as normal or be repurposed as we saw in the end credits, but what about Auto? Not only is he attached to the ship with no other mode of locomotion, his only purpose is to control the ship. So once humanity got to Earth, they would leave the ship and would leave Auto utterly alone and without purpose. Which probably is the worst thing that Auto can think of. So I don't think Auto was strictly following the order to stay away from Earth out of blindly following his programing, but because it was what he already wanted to do and it gives him a justification to do so. And while he is still technically following orders based of cold logic, he's doing it in a very human way; he's outwardly justifying his action with an apparent inability to disobey orders while keeping his emotional justifications to himself. Assuming this is true and not just me reading too hard into a Hal-9000 expy, it makes him it a bit interesting to compare to Wall-E as he was in the beginning of the movie; both are dutifully doing their jobs they were programmed to do (compacting trash for Wall-E and controling the Axiom for Auto), but both disobey their programming as it fits their emotional needs (Wall-E not destroying anything he finds interesting and later ignoring his job entirely for some time to care for EVE and Auto ignoring signs that Earth is at least in the process of recovering and going as far as trying to destroy ant evidence of life on Earth).

@marcellacassab4331

2 жыл бұрын

Dang, I never thought of it that way. It makes the character seem much deeper and kind of tragic.

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

interesting, I only thought he was frustrated in that scene because of the “that’s NOT what we’re supposed to do” mentality

@harbour2118

Жыл бұрын

Fear of being useless would probably be the biggest fear most robots would have if the had the sentience to think so

@erin8050

Жыл бұрын

This is very inciteful and you're right but my brain latched onto the completely videogamer-esc logic of 'pushing the button normally isn't working well/fast/to my standards enough... maybe if I push it harder and lean forward' that Auto seemed to be embodying.

@olotocolo

10 ай бұрын

You are totally right. I was weirded out when Red said he was not capable of emotions as I remember him being angry and iritated but you dig much deepr than that. He HAS personal reason to keep people in space. Heck, there is pivotal scene of him being closer and closer to each capitain but... that does not work logically. If Red was right and he was the robotest of robots he wouldn't do that. There is no need for him assuming more control if his only role is to steer the ship and uphold secret directive of not going to earth. He would just object to capitains decision if that ever happens. He was acting very much sentient and with his own interest in mind. Funnly enough either interpretation makes no sens on why he was sending probes to earth. His programming was saying him there are orders never to go back and that earth will never recover, while his personal interests were in that being true. He was also smart enough to create deception with the plant "going missing" so he would know capitain will not notice probes not being sent.

Me: “being autistic and having adhd, I want to see more representation of who I am and how I act portrayed in human characters. The portrayal of nuerodivergent traits in robots seems to fuel the attitudes of people around me into thinking I am sub-human.” Also me: “haha this little grey duck definitely real boy with a bow tie is my robot son, fight me.”

@AnArtistDoesThings

Жыл бұрын

That's not bad.

@theendersmirk5851

Жыл бұрын

Speaking as a fellow autist who is very slowly working on a concept for a novel, I feel like you can't define being an autist through any non literal allegory without making the subject nonhuman. Like, I'm autistic, and I only ever felt like I might actually be a human after accidentally finding my way into a box of people who were also all considered weird. "Normal people" are an alien species with an obtuse and counterproductive set of rules to follow. Don't be direct being one of the most confusing. Like, the direct route of discussion is the most simple, trying to be indirect about things, logical or emotional, just ends up feeling like I'm doing a bad job RPing a character. My solution, simple though it may be, is to make a set of wizards who don't see things through the usual five senses, and instead see things through fundamental forces and energies, showing a completely different perspective that is neither good nor bad, just confusing to think of from a default perspective.

@seanbigay1042

Жыл бұрын

"Actually, my robot son will fight you, because I put lasers in his hands and a machine gun where his tail would be."

@AnArtistDoesThings

Жыл бұрын

@@seanbigay1042 Did you give him a jetpack?

@andeverytimewekiss

Жыл бұрын

@@AnArtistDoesThings out here asking the real questions

Now I kinda want to write a story with a human and a robot both with neurodivergent characteristics, and they kinda just bond and chill. Robot: "I do not comprehend human humor." Human: "Neither do I, man. Neither do I."

@KarlKristofferJohnsson

4 жыл бұрын

Please do! I want to read it!

@wolf1066

4 жыл бұрын

I'd read that.

@Percival917

4 жыл бұрын

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@Mrhellslayerz

4 жыл бұрын

Humor expressed through the lack of an understanding of it... With a well written joke like that, I'm surprised you don't have beta readers and movie deals pouring into your inbox by now.

@HypnoLuna

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds great!

"Robots are terrible at adapting" Skynet: Okay, sending a terminator back in time to kill the leader of the resistance didn't work the first 10 times so we need a new plan... ... ... Skynet: I got it, I'll send a terminator back in time to kill the leader of the resistance at an older and more capable age. I think the terminator sequels make so much more sense now.

@averagewagon7574

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a retry algorithm with backoff to me, very realistic

@kamikazelemming1552

2 жыл бұрын

Terminator--"What if I sent a robot back in time?" Terminator 2--"What if I sent a liquid-metal robot back in time?" Terminator 3--"What if I sent a robot covered in liquid-metal back in time?" Terminator Genisys--"What if I sent a both a robot and a liquid-metal robot back in time, as well as one that's made of nanomachines?" Terminator Dark Fate--"What if I sent both a robot and a liquid-metal robot back in time, but the liquid-metal robot can be worn by the regular robot as if it were a shiny skin-suit?"

@supesmin446

2 жыл бұрын

Why not just send a lot of terminators

@JRexRegis

2 жыл бұрын

A man goes to a job interview. As he sits down, the interviewer asks him "So what is your area of expertise?" The man thinks for a bit, then answers, "Machine Learning." "I see, I see! Well, we could certainly use an expert. However, we also have all applicants complete a standardized test of a few mathematical questions, to make sure they have the correct skillset." says the interviewer. "Okay." "Alright. What's 523+321?" "Zero." "Wrong. It's 844." "It's 844." "What's 20x1.5?" "It's 844."

@danielcastillo591

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine those "AI learns to play tetris" videos but it's "AI tries to plan an assassination" and it's hundreds of hours of sped up footage of skynet sending random robots to the past until it gets the gist of it

"If there's one thing humans are good at it's pattern recognition" feels like such a stronger line than intended

@vartosu11

6 күн бұрын

Well... it's true. It's among the first skills very young children develop. Without it, they wouldn't be able to learn how to speak. I mean, sure, they'd be able to imitate sounds and words, but they wouldn't be able to correlate them to their meaning.

I've always loved the trope of Robots as Art where every robot is an expression of their creator Baymax, for example, is Tadashi's magnum opus, being the perfect amalgamation of Tadashi's programming and desires to create a personal healthcare companion, and after his death, Baymax is the last piece of Tadashi's personal expression that Hiro has. Hiro bonding with him and learning about Tadashi through his is basically like Hiro finding Tadashi's journal/sketchbook. Honestly, I think more robots should be written this way because 1. It's a creative and expressive window into the minds of the creator characters 2. I creates a strict, unconfusing definition of what robots are in-universe while still allowing for the full range of human to inhuman robots "Droids are neither good nor bad. They are the neutral impressions of those who have imprinted on them." -Kuiil from the Mandalorian (I know that's not the exact quote but still)

"...but if the robot is a single red light built into a spaceship, it's always gonna be evil." *far away, HAL 9001 sheds a single tear*

@emsnewssupkis6453

4 жыл бұрын

And then there is BENDER. BWAhahaha.

@karakun1

4 жыл бұрын

Omg even in an historical video?

@jetstreamjackie3437

4 жыл бұрын

Somewhere in the X-Naut Fortress, TEC sneezes

@evansageser6943

4 жыл бұрын

Big exception for me would be Hera from Wolf 359 (good audio drama, go watch it). She's basically human in mentality and emotion with the sole exception being that she doesn't actually have a physical form aside from the Space Station network her program resides on.

@6ixlxrd

4 жыл бұрын

I swear, I'm always either confusing you for the guy "WITHOUT" a mustache, or him for you, the guy "WITH" one.

The most relatable sentence I've ever heard: "I didn't get my degree in math to actually DO math."

@weetopeetop

2 жыл бұрын

E

@rmsgrey

2 жыл бұрын

An awful lot of mathematics comes from mathematicians trying to find ways around actually having to do the maths... For example, proof by induction: "I could prove this for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10... etc, or, or I could prove it for 1, and prove that I can use the proof for any number to prove it for the next number instead."

@metaparalysis3441

2 жыл бұрын

@@rmsgrey isn't that all math, you could argue multiplication is a simplification of addition and exponents a simplificatiion of multiplication

@rmsgrey

2 жыл бұрын

@@metaparalysis3441 And addition is a simplification of counting. But it's not clear what counting could be a simplification of. And there's a lot of mathematics that comes from mathematicians taking the simplified version and seeing what new and interesting tricks they can play with it, so it's more a combination/alternation of simplification and exploration than being simplification all the way down.

@DiscountWhiskey078

2 жыл бұрын

@@rmsgrey as my professors always say, mathematicians are _lazy_

This reminds me of Zane from Ninjago, in his first appearence he seemed more robotic even tho he, his friends and everyone who never saw the show before think he's human, but when after it is revealed that he is a Nindroid (a ninja android) he becomes more humanlike than he was before, and I really enjoy that!!😊😊😊😊😊😊

@allywood-op7xm

Жыл бұрын

Hi fellow ninjago fan

@cecilyheywood2675

Жыл бұрын

@@allywood-op7xm Hello!!😊😊😊

@dqixsoss7436

11 ай бұрын

It’s like one he gets ‘diagnosed’/he has an explanation he can stop subconsciously worrying and just live in it :)

"I wanna see how many demographics I can piss off." Started binging you yesterday. That line put me on the floor. Nice to meet you.

@lethargogpeterson4083

Жыл бұрын

My only complaint is that I wasn't pissed off by the end of the video. It obviously needed to be longer.

@lethargogpeterson4083

Жыл бұрын

Like, is MY demographic just not WORTH pissing off? (Grumble, grumble.)

@ZacSunTiBidea

Жыл бұрын

@@lethargogpeterson4083 Not to fear, rewatching it now because you brought me back here, I noticed a few bits of 'Wait, that me' that I'd completely missed the first time through. Apparently she also does the sneaky digs. Just come back later and you might find yourself irked directly.

@lethargogpeterson4083

Жыл бұрын

@@ZacSunTiBidea Oh, cool. Whew.

"You wouldn't ask Optimus Prime to justify his personhood....maybe someone should. Would make a soothing monologue. Then again I'd listen to him read the phonebook" Red speaks to me on a level so deep I feel violated.

@gingermcgingin1733

4 жыл бұрын

So, what you're saying is, She's got the touch She's got the powwwwer!

@pixelmace1423

4 жыл бұрын

Ginger McGingin YEAH!

@ForrestFox626

4 жыл бұрын

Red is our queen! 👑

@Shatterverse

4 жыл бұрын

There IDW comics hits this note.

@Lemuel928

4 жыл бұрын

Optimus is just plain manly,man.

4:09 "Roomba...what's that you got there?" "A KNIFE!" "NOOO!"

@steamtasticvagabond474

4 жыл бұрын

Fedora Agosto All hail Captain Stabby!

@annebird9195

4 жыл бұрын

www.deviantart.com/shoobaqueen/art/Fambily-Knife-622040482

@kaziislam2785

4 жыл бұрын

Fedora Agosto is that a reference to that funny video?

@FedoraNinjaYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaziislam2785 🐮Perhaps... Im a meme guy

@gregorywalter2540

4 жыл бұрын

WHY. WHY WAS I PROGRAMMED TO FEEL PAIN?

I'd love to see somewhat of the inverse of the 'unable to detect social cues' - an AI who is built to be a social robot would be hyper-aware of human emotions, mannerisms and facial expressions (if sufficiently advanced), but it could be creepily overaware and probably overwhelmed if given human-like mental constraints.

@AskMia411

25 күн бұрын

I like this idea! The robot could seem inhuman not because it can’t read emotions, but because it reads us TOO WELL. A robot like this would seem almost psychic, able to read us better than other humans.

I never really thought about it, but I think I’d like Baymax even more if he IS just a normal, emotionless robot. Because there is a sweetness to that. Just because he doesn’t experience love for Hiro in the way a human would doesn’t mean he doesn’t ‘care’ about him. In fact, making sure Hiro is safe and emotionally healthy is one of the main aspects of Baymax’s programming. And he was programmed by Tadashi, who loved and cared about Hiro. So Baymax is, in a way, an expression of Tadashi’s love and kindness. And just because Baymax doesn’t feel human emotions or love doesn’t mean that he and Hiro’s relationship doesn’t matter, and it doesn’t mean that Hiro’s love and care for Baymax isn’t real or valid or meaningless. This can honestly apply to a lot of real life situations. For example, kids will have their favorite stuffed animal of all time that they will play with for years, and even keep around in their house as an adult. The stuffed animal can’t feel anything. It’s literally a glorified fabric bag filled with stuffing. But people will always love them. I know that Little Lambie doesn’t actually feel emotions, but it doesn’t mean I don’t or can’t love Little Lambie. Hiro and Baymax’s relationship dynamic is real and valid and beautiful, whether Baymax feels love or not. And that’s wonderful to me.

red: "listen i didn't get my degree in math so i could DO MATH" (10:45) also red: analyzes tropes by using bijections and set theory (4:20, 7:33)

@SimonClarkstone

4 жыл бұрын

My headcanon is she means she didn't get a degree in maths to do arithmetic. :-P

@ThomasWinget

4 жыл бұрын

See, I was going to say basically this, but fuck it. You get a +1 and I get to type less on my phone.

@NeostormXLMAX

4 жыл бұрын

is red autistic btw 13:05 did she hint that she is autistic and tired of being lumped with robots or something?

@tobistein9787

4 жыл бұрын

@@NeostormXLMAX I recall that she has mentioned in the past being on the Ace spectrum, but I couldn't tell you when. The issue that she was talking about applied to both asexual/aromantic folks and neuro-divergent folks. She might also be autistic, but as far as I know that was a reference to her sexual/romantic orientation.

@librowyrm8332

4 жыл бұрын

In one (or both I dont remember) of the qna Vids she mentions being asexual but panromantic, not in those words obvi but yeah.

“A friendly robot whose relatable social quirks were played for laughs by the rest of the cast” Boy if this isn’t the story of my life

@Nuvolenny

4 жыл бұрын

Oh honey I'm so sorry://

@enuma-elise

4 жыл бұрын

Leonard Michel Petrocchi I mean, that’s just the way it is

@toprak3479

4 жыл бұрын

This hits too close to home

@gryphon7675

4 жыл бұрын

You and me both, pal

@jensanruby6739

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, I was actually accused of being a robot in seventh grade because autism and cold skin

5:19 my favourite version of this is the Golems in Terry Pratchett's discworld: One of them is freed, and he gets a job, saves up and buys another. They then work together to get a third. It's technically a rebellion, and the nuances of "No slavery in Ankh-Morpork" and "They're mindless machines/You can't trust them, I heard they did someone in" are great.

@aristanaeelektra9436

11 ай бұрын

Which of his books is this part in?

@thod-thod

11 ай бұрын

@@aristanaeelektra9436 feet of clay, but it’s referenced in many of the later Vimes ones.

Super appreciate you explicitly mentioning how depictions of robots as "inhuman" often end up dehumanizing actual characteristics of real neurodivergent and aro/ace humans.

@christineye

3 ай бұрын

Me, an autistic AND asexual person: Haha yep :')

I feel like I should share the best piece of advice I've heard for writing a good robot character: "Don't think of it as roboticizing a human -- think of it as anthropomorphizing a toaster oven." If you *add* human qualities to an inhuman character, the audience will engage with them far more than if you *remove* human traits from a human. That's probably why anthropomorphism has been such a staple of fiction for so long. (And yes, as an asexual/aromantic member of the Autism spectrum myself, I _am_ sharing this in the hopes that maybe we can stop having so many dehumanized robot characters, *_David._* Kinda doubt anyone at Quantic Dream is watching this, but just in case...)

@theviewer6889

4 жыл бұрын

See I'm acearo and possibly autistic (waiting to go to a gp about it) and I'd be fine with acearo coded robots as long as there's equal amounts of non acearo coded robots AND way more explicitly ace/aro humans (or whatever the equivalent is in that story). If I'm autistic the same rules apply, just replace acearo with ND.

@anapaulabarreto2233

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Hashman you make a great point. I have ADHD but I do not see it as a drawback, if anything it allows me to more creative then other people, sure sometimes I make a fool of myself because of it and that is ok. I think that you have exemplary writing and you should continue to do it, your message was very inspiring, thank you.

@hannnah8737

4 жыл бұрын

I know this might not be the most appropriate thing to say with such a serious comment (very well don't btw) but just...... ANTHROPOMORPHISING A TOASTER OVEN!! that statement is priceless.

@Nitrinoxus

4 жыл бұрын

@@hannnah8737 Yeah, the mental image is pretty funny, I agree. I think that's why that bit of advice has stuck in my memory so clearly: it made me laugh.

@Vespuchian

4 жыл бұрын

Great point. I would argue that a ‘truly robotic robot’ as Red put it isn’t a character, it’s furniture and just part of the set dressing. To _be_ a character a robot needs some kind of humanizing traits so the audience can identify the robot as a character.

7:50 "one thing humans are good at is pattern recognition" Without that, we couldn't have Trope talk Edit That's a lot of likes O.O Also Somehow my comment's reply has sparked a debate on AI's pattern recognition and how well it works Here is my take on it Before we would be able to have fully automated robots that can do a variety of tasks on command, pattern recognition software would most like have advanced so that our debate of can a robot learn this task will be obsolete, gauging future technologies abilities with present day limitations is rather absurd if you think about it

@theaureliasys6362

4 жыл бұрын

Pattern recognition is not the problem. Neural networks are absurdly good at pattern recognition (WAY bettern than humans could ever be), and also not bad at synthesis (creating pictures/sound/whatever) that is similar, but still different from the training data. Much like we humans can draw and compose similar, but different stuff.

@StarrTheWitch

4 жыл бұрын

@@theaureliasys6362 i wasn't actually commenting on pattern recognition having any issue or not, just that repeating tropes we can recognize from story to story is pattern recognition

@greenoftreeblackofblue6625

4 жыл бұрын

The problem with robots is that they don't have problems or issues. They don't do unnecessary movements they don't think outside their task they dont side track. And I love robots

@theaureliasys6362

4 жыл бұрын

@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 depends on the implementation.

@jarrakul

4 жыл бұрын

@@theaureliasys6362 I would argue that neural networks are actually bad at pattern recognition, at least in the useful sense that humans do it (and for what it's worth, my job is to study computational models of human vision). They're very good at datamining, at finding correlations between variables, but they don't have any ability to assess whether a correlation is relevant. I would argue that the human phenomenon we call pattern recognition is as much about ignoring irrelevant correlations as it is about finding correlations in the first place, much as the rest of vision is as much about stripping out uninformative data as it is about interpreting visual images.

This video inspired one of the most recent tabletop RPG characters I've played, the "Expressly not human robot character that runs entirely on programming"... it's *tough* to play a character that is actually not self-aware, but I've always liked playing very "alien" characters and it's an interesting challenge.

@dishfishes

5 ай бұрын

Ayo im in the same boat! Specifically watched this one for inspo on how to play her. Hope your campaign went well :)

This is why I like Asimov’s robots. First off, they aren’t unfeeling machines. They have very strong emotions. In the short story “Robbie” the titular robot loves the little girl he works as a nursemaid for just as much as she loves him. They also blur the line between human and machine in much more complicated and nuanced ways. I highly recommend his fix up novel *I, Robot*. It is very interesting and Asimov was a great and influential writer

me: it's annoying that I only see myself represented in nonhuman entities, it contributes to my internalized arophobia and feeling like I'm somehow lacking in humanity. also me: hehe arobot

@kaboomgaming4255

3 жыл бұрын

arophobia?

@ijustlistentoqueerfictionp2195

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaboomgaming4255 it’s the prejudices around aromantic people.

@zeehero7280

2 жыл бұрын

In this day and age feeling like you arent part of humanity is a sign that you are more human than most.

@supremecalamitas342

2 жыл бұрын

I relate to this comment

@philiphockenbury6563

2 жыл бұрын

The amount of misery that I have had in my mind trying to be human while maintaining who I am is a lot. I’m still struggling with doing things that my peers have mastered ages ago. Who I am has helped me immensely but has also hurt me about as much. And I don’t know where my “humanness” begins and ends. Sometimes I feel like I traded my ability to communicate with people easily with the ability to understand the universe. And I still suck at both sometimes.

>be me >be autistic >was actually accused of being a robot when I was younger Weird

@pikachuneoncat6480

3 жыл бұрын

Same, lol. At least we're not the evil robots, though, right?

@ofgreyhairwaifu4089

3 жыл бұрын

"Robot" is such a code word for autism that 4chan even has a "robot4k" board, which is reserved for people who are or percieve themself as autist (but they mostly just bitch about tfw no gf).

@thedorkknight9684

3 жыл бұрын

Man, i lost count of how many times i was accused of being a robot.

@luigivercotti6410

3 жыл бұрын

Less extreme but because I'm not religious, I was accused multiple times of being a satanist.

@codyhubbard7223

3 жыл бұрын

I was accused of being a robot when I was younger and I'm not autistic I just liked to read, was a fast reader and I was the typical nerdy smart kid therefore robot

Can we really quick talk about the cliche where Robots + Water = death? It doesn’t make sense because people would obviously notice and fix that fatal problem and make waterproof things just like they did irl.

@fisrtnamelastname3083

3 ай бұрын

Well, unless the robot is expected to be in or around water it makes sense

Data from TNG may be coded autistic, but I'd argue hes the most "human" of the cast. He's thoughtful, polite, constantly sympathizing with people and things even to his own detriment, and totally not ace

@mildlymarvelous

Жыл бұрын

I will honestly be forever pissed that they made him not ace, but oh well, it was the 90s

@michaelpattie9248

Жыл бұрын

@@mildlymarvelous It was a missed opportunity for sure, but I like some of the ways the writers played with it in fiction. Soong made all of his androids in his own image right down to his gender, but when Data chose to create an android of his own, he specifically allowed them to define their own species and gender. He never comes out and says he resents an identity being forced on him, but he clearly wants his child to have something he did not.

@delksbwg3777

3 ай бұрын

​​​@@mildlymarvelouswhy? Wouldn't making an inhuman character ace probably help dehumanizing actual ace people?

@mildlymarvelous

3 ай бұрын

@@delksbwg3777 Not at all. A major part of Data’s character arc is proving that he is still a person despite not being biologically human. At first the other characters are wary of him, but they come to love him for who he is. His entire character is about acceptance of differences.

Writers: How will we make our robots clearly inhuman? Oh, I know -- let's make them have autism! People with autism: Wait

@Betrix5060

4 жыл бұрын

In my experience we tend to say: "Yeah, sounds about right." more often than not. Heck, this explanation is usually how the concept of autism/Aspergers is introduced to people.

@Sara3346

4 жыл бұрын

@@Betrix5060 Well I mean struggling to express emotions and not feeling things aren't quite the same things if thats the implication, if it's more feeling pretty darn alienated and wanted to stick to a repetitive routine than perhaps that holds more weight, it really depends on what one means in specifics. That is a long winded way of saying I think both of you could have been a bit less vague.

@Betrix5060

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sara3346 True but in terms of outward appearance it is essentially the same thing.

@thegreenrobott.g.r1609

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, sounds about right. As you can see I am completely accepting of this representation!

@No-sn5bm

4 жыл бұрын

Oh jo im secretly a robot

“Let’s get philosophical 2: Electric Boogaloo.” Oh I get it. Their robots they run on electricity.

@whoopsthatsasinisntit

4 жыл бұрын

Wdym their robot? Who do they belong to?

@Kraktzor

4 жыл бұрын

*They're

@gew393

4 жыл бұрын

That's not the joke.... There's a movie called breaking 2 electric boogaloo All the list is movie title puns

@falconJB

4 жыл бұрын

@@gew393 Looks like we found the robot.

@petemagnuson7357

4 жыл бұрын

@@gew393Wright it took me years to realize that "...2 electric boogaloo" was from a real thing. I thought it was just a silly meme the internet cooked up.

I have never wanted a story about Siri trying to take over the world more. That'd be hilarious.

@kezplaysviola

Жыл бұрын

I give you Mitchell’s Vs The Machines ( although the antagonist does have slightly more personality than siri)

@Data-Expungeded

3 ай бұрын

@@kezplaysviolaI was gonna say that!

One of my favorite star trek episodes of all time is the one where we meet a scientist designing small utility robots who can create tools as needed and fit in little ducts, but when demonstrating their use the robots start showing signs of self preservation by moving away from danger before finishing the job. Data insists on protecting them even though everyone else thinks it was a glitch and he's right! Then there's a malfunction in the work area and everyone is going to die if they cant send the robots out to fix it but he still refuses to let them go. Eventually they realize the can ASK the little robots and one of them chooses to sacrifice itself to save all the other humans and robots in the area. Great continuation of the sentience and robot rights discussion started in measure of a man

"I am fulfilling my base function." "Which is?" "To nurse and protect."

@Ismael-kc3ry

3 жыл бұрын

*sob*

@d1g1beastpr1me7

3 жыл бұрын

I AM MOTHER FLASHBACKS

*Spoiler Alert:* Let's not forget the fact that Mr. Krabs is a robot.

@yoschiii

4 жыл бұрын

Boop Boo Boo Beep Boo Boo Bop

@poweroffriendship2.0

4 жыл бұрын

@@yoschiii No! It's boo boo bop boo bop...

@Eveline_420

4 жыл бұрын

W H A T

@jeffgalus8454

4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was SpongeBob

@Klaaism

4 жыл бұрын

But I thought krabby patties are made from krabbs?

You know, this talk of yours made me think in two trope ideas I would REALLY like to see, involving robots: 1- As humanity starts to develop fully functional (although imperfect) AIs, they start to replace many humans for AIs, which becomes a problem very quickly because the lack of the human elements starts to create collateral damage in many areas of society. For example: a medical AI, which is programmed to save lives, have to deal with a pregnant women who is developing cancer, where the treatment would surely kill the baby. A human doctor would talk with the pregnant women and explains the possible decisions, their outcomes and then consider her choice. An AI, however, would just do the treatment ASAP to save the patient, even if such thing means to kill the baby. 2- We could have a trope about humans, specially outcasts or people with some psychological condition, starts to humanize robots, despite the robots being unable to give back that feelings. This could make the main theme not be about "robot racism" or similar, but about the human nature and it complexities. It could be something like "Persona" or "Psychonauts", but instead of superpowered people and magical monsters, we could use robots.

@MattMcIrvin

Ай бұрын

sorry, this stuff started happening in real life before you got your trope wish

As someone who named myself after HAL 9000, it was briefly terrifying to hear Red shout my name in the middle of her talk. I didn't ask to be perceived like this.

"Listen I didn't get my degree in math so I can actually do math" truer words have never been spoken.

@twistedtachyon5877

3 жыл бұрын

This seems to be the case for almost everyone with a math degree. Certainly all my math profs.

@edenjustice6410

3 жыл бұрын

I never knew that Red has a math degree.

@johntuite8718

3 жыл бұрын

@@edenjustice6410 Me niether

Everyone is gangsta until the roomba pulls out a shank. 4:08

@thegloriouskingkronk8422

4 жыл бұрын

"Float like a Warlock, sting like a Shank"

@AlexanderRJaruk

4 жыл бұрын

Questionable Content did it first, and better.

@1943germany

4 жыл бұрын

Wasn't there a meme about tapeing a knife to a Roomba

@custodeon

4 жыл бұрын

@@1943germany Stabby! Stabby the space roomba which may or may not be an actual Roomba® but is always a maintenance robot with some form of weapon attached? img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aW1YLrd_700bwp.webp

@predator3299

4 жыл бұрын

@@thegloriouskingkronk8422 oh god destiny flashbacks

I'm a writer who just found this series and I'm loving it! It's thought-provoking and is helping me recognize some important blind spots-- so thank you!!

@daviddaugherty2816

11 ай бұрын

No kidding! I'd have had the same coding problem and not even noticed if she didn't bring it up.

Interesting how much some parts of this video have aged since it's release. The parts about the lack of real AI and how Baymax's voice doesn't sound like 'real' computer voices just isn't true anymore. Most of your points still stand, but I think the way robots are depicted is likely to be radically changed - or at least become more varied - in the near future. As of writing though, none of these tools - half-decent digital voices or AI chatbots - have really been around long enough for them to have inspired or affected any major media works, so I'm really interested to see how the depiction and reception of such characters change. 'These robots have emotions so they deserve rights' doesn't quite hit the same after I've heard about every third journalist with access to the Bing AI Beta had it profess undying love to them.

@diamondpelel6291

5 ай бұрын

Hey sorry for replying to a 7 month old comment but Artificial Intelligence still isn’t a real thing. Can understand accidentally buying into the hype of these “AI” chatbots but they’re just slightly more advanced chatbots. They don’t have intelligence but through trial and error and millions of sentences to sift through they can construct sentences that sound linguistically reasonable

@subatomic_sam511

3 ай бұрын

we still don’t have any “real” AI. calling chatGPT “AI” is an insult to the term, it just mashes together the average of a billion conversations in response to a prompt. there’s no thinking - it can barely do basic math and it struggles with object permanence and counting.

🔘 Female 🔘 Male ☑️ Android Sent By Cyberlife

@minininja775

3 жыл бұрын

Hi I’m Conner an android sent by Cyberlife.

@salvagedude625

3 жыл бұрын

oh hi Connor

@celtarican630

3 жыл бұрын

Based and Connor-pilled

@Intracaedes

3 жыл бұрын

I’m Connor, the android sent by Cyberlife

Red, Red, Red... ALL of us would listen to Optimus Prime read a phone book.

@samuelwithers2221

4 жыл бұрын

He could narrate the entirety of Twilight and make it sound like the most engaging plotline ever.

@cybersearcher1041

4 жыл бұрын

Optimus could read a receipt and make it sound like liquid gold

@rahmanmoncatar9675

4 жыл бұрын

If optimus prime read the dictionary and make it sound like a shakespearen play il pay a 100 bucks for it honestly

@IliyaMoroumetz

4 жыл бұрын

Hot take; Shoreh Agdashloo's voice gives his a run for its money. If not better.

@Maninawig

4 жыл бұрын

What if some human reprogrammed him to be a church minister?

This episode is a lot more interesting with current AI trends

@royalninja2823

17 күн бұрын

No it isn't, ChatGPT and LLMs as a means of generating text are still limited in what they can do. All that they actually do is perform a bunch of statistics to decide what the most likely word to immediately follow the last bunch SHOULD be, as based on a huge amount of training data. They sure as shit don't actually understand anything and are easily thrown off if you say the right things at it.

@jacobrider9743

17 күн бұрын

@@royalninja2823 didn't ask

I would pay quite a bit of money to hear five uninterrupted minutes of Optimus Prime explaining personhood and the value of life.

One thing that isn't often done but is a fun as hell trope is where the robots are actually more emotive and empathetic than the humans. Asimov came up with the idea of robots who could be more ethical than humans since their vast brains could actually comprehend the full situation and manipulate humanity into its best possible state.

@evandugas7888

2 жыл бұрын

I did like the ending to I robot. The whole time I expected them to rebel but instead they became kind AI gods who let humans live but keep the world a safe and good place through economic control

@abid5087

2 жыл бұрын

It’s really interesting to see how robots evolve throughout his stories. I love how “Evidence” begins to really show how robots can become just as good as if not better than humans

@andrewjohnson6716

2 жыл бұрын

Remember that Asimov was writing from the viewpoint of his time. The word “robot” was not in common use yet (which is why the beginning of I, Robot has him explaining to the audience what a robot is). Often when he was referring to what a robot might be good at, what he meant was AI. His time just didn’t have a term for that yet.

@airplanes_aren.t_real

2 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough neurodivergent on average have a stronger sense of justice and morality than most people, there's several studies on this but most of them try to spin it as "autistic people are too good for their own good, they won't even steal from the poor if that means getting more money on the long run or advertise to a bad company if it grants them better social status"

@Dragon_Fire_2468

2 жыл бұрын

Scythe by Neal Shusterman

In regards to the irritating "autistic robot" trope, I actually quite like how TNG handles this. Data is cold and oblivious, yes, but his intentions are noble and benevolent. Contrast with his brother Lore, who has far more "human" personality traits and behaviors, but is malicious, cruel and spiteful. It's a refreshing inversion. Rather than whitewashing neurodivergence as an incomplete state from which one might seek to normalize, it postulates that the traits we think of as defining our humanity come with the curse of ego and hubris, and cannot be considered perfectly synonymous with empathy or goodness. That those who do not fit the mold are no better for being normalized, and would do just as well forging a new path.

@anna-flora999

2 жыл бұрын

Also, data is very much an emotional being in his own right. He values friendship, adores his cat, seeks companionship... He's emotional, just in a less expressive way that's distinct from how neurotypicals feel and show emotions

@hannahrobbins1017

Жыл бұрын

… I wonder what it says about me that I’m only just not realizing why I liked him so much in TNG 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

@ViridianAubergine

Жыл бұрын

I love Data's overall characterization, but man did they do my boy dirty with the emotion chip stuff. That really undermined a lot of his established character and actions.

@auroraourania7161

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, hard agree, although it's very severely hampered by the fact that a huge goal of his is to, effectively, learn how to mask, and that he achieves that goal with no real ill effects in the movies (as opposed to real autistic people, where masking long term can be extremely exhausting and harmful to your mental health)

@Bacxaber

Жыл бұрын

That's not what whitewashing means. At all.

Even in Kingdom Hearts 3, any human characterization Baymax has is given to him (them, it?) by the human characters rather than Baymax finding his soul. He's still just a robot. The closest moment to Baymax having his own will is when he refuses to let Hiro put the destroy chip back in him. But even then it's more that Baymax recognizes that vengeance will not help Hiro. It's more that Baymax is recognizing that his charge is going down a self-destructive path and knows that what he needs is to talk and hear Tadashii's encouraging voice.

When you get compared to Sheldon and random robots by everyone around you for your whole life but you like them so you don't realise it's an insult until you're an adult.

@skazwolfman8622

Жыл бұрын

I feel you there, bro

"if the robot is a single red light built into a spaceship, it's always gonna be evil." That sounds like a challenge, and I happen to be doing some worldbuilding atm

@jlokison

4 жыл бұрын

HAL wasn't "evil" it was given garbage instructions by someone that should not have been able to give it a direct order without double checking how it might be interpreted. Any decent programmer knows the concept of GIGO, "garbage in garbage out," even when we were using punch cards and vacuum tubes. If the general hadn't specifically overridden some of HALs already given directives the mission would have gone differently, and much more boring.

@a.morphous66

4 жыл бұрын

f4tornado Mine is a spaceship AI that controls the operations of nearly the entire vessel, but it’s a protagonist because of one crucial difference: She’s blue.

@scifikoala

4 жыл бұрын

Hera from the podcast Wolf 359 is basically the anti-HAL with all the capability to be HAL and its amazing

@lewisirwin5363

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't read the Odyssey books, but from what I've heard of them I thought HAL was corrupted or reprogrammed by the Monoliths in order to stop humanity colonising Jupiter (the Monoliths' own homeworld) at any costs; so it wasn't evil, just a co-opted improvised weapon.

@hetakusoda2977

4 жыл бұрын

Final Space has a robot like that who's not evil

I came up with something that I'm definitely going to have a robot charicter say in the near future: "hay, since your a robot. are you technically nonbinary?" "I .....do not believe so, I run on binary code." Cue a little more laughter than is strictly necessary

@toastghost9145

2 жыл бұрын

"Yes; my processing core is quantum coded." Also, because quantum uses qubits, which can be 1, 0, neither, or a mix, one could theoretically use "quantum" as alternative to "non-binary" in human gender.

@catbatrat1760

2 жыл бұрын

*Y E S*

@alostalex7575

2 жыл бұрын

I love you, this is a wonderful idea, I love it

@Nerdnumberone

2 жыл бұрын

*Takes a fraction of a second to Google "nonbinary" due to the unusual context. Finds a Wikipedia entry on gender identity. Reads it and some connected pages. (After a fraction of a second pause): "Nonbinary" would be broadly accurate, specifically "agender". I do not find my gender identity or lack thereof to be relevant in any way. You may consider me any gender you wish if it aids in social interaction.

@kiraina25

2 жыл бұрын

I... actually made this joke in an Undertale story I wrote, except in the opposite direction. I even had _Mettaton_ be the one to make it.

i mean the thing with wall-ee is they have like a "soul virus" where they appear to be the only one with a soul to begin with and everyone gains one as they meet them. wall-ee is more human on than the entire population of the axium put together because they remember which perfectly fits in with the entire of pixar lore, its just so perfect. we even see the captain of the ship become more and more human as he remembers more and more about humanity and expresses emotion, something unique to wall-ee and everyone who has gained a soul from meeting them as the rest of everyone is sort of numb and emotionless. the captain even takes it a step (haha) further and becomes the first human to stand up in possibly centuries.

Ancient video, but I had to comment. I never once thought about autistic coding in robot portrayals until this video. However, you just made me rethink a rather large and vital part of my personal development with that statement. Like you, Data is my favorite Star Trek character of all time (notice I didn’t put any acronyms after ST… we’re talking the whole franchise). I loved his characterization, his way of viewing the world, and his interactions with the rest of the crew. In no small part, I saw a lot of me, or a lot of what I wanted to be, in him. This is also why every online handle I’ve had for the last 30 years has a variation of his name in it. I’ve come to realize later in life that I am on the spectrum. Thinking about your statement in this video makes me realize just how integral having the character Data was to me. The funny thing is, while a part of me says I should be insulted that part of what made me “me” was represented by a non-human wishing to be more human… I don’t. I still love Data, even the desire to be “more human”. I definitely had a desire to be more like everyone else, but the fact that Data never got there, and didn’t seem to mind in the end not getting there, made me feel better at being the “imperfect human” I am today. TL,DR: Thank you for helping me process this bit of my personal development with your analysis. It meant a lot to me!

as an autistic not robot, THANK YOU for going there

@Crazael

4 жыл бұрын

As one also, I think I lucked out in watching Star Trek: The Next Generation on TV basically throughout my formative years. While Data was often portrayed as overly literal and rather clueless about certain things, it was very rarely, if ever, played for laughs. And, usually when it was, it was done in a way that could easily be interpreted as Data having a sense of humor rather than him being foolish in some way. I think what makes the difference with him is that he was shown to learn over the course of the show and get better at interpersonal interactions rather than just staying the 'unfeeling robot'.

@durnsidh6483

4 жыл бұрын

Finally, someone brings this up. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say that people with autism are "sort of like robots". It honestly hurts.

@Cobalt_Gemini

4 жыл бұрын

As someone who is also on the spectrum, I've never heard the robot parallel. I suppose it makes some level of sense, I just don't know if it's a good or bad thing. I've never really been insulted for my autism, possibly because I'm so honest about it.

@Kartoffelkamm

4 жыл бұрын

One time, someone said I acted like a robot, and I immediately switched to a robotic voice and went "Danger. Human became suspicious. Eliminate threat immediately." Then I picked up a rock the size of my head and started walking towards those kids. Now, some people might argue that it´s not nice for a 16 year old to bring a bunch of kindergarten kids to the point of tears, but I was in a really bad mood that day, as evidenced by the fact that I was quiet, only gave one-word answers and didn´t interact with people beyond what was absolutely necessary. Granted, I do that every day, except for some people I really like, so it may be a bit difficult to read my emotions.

@501Magnum

4 жыл бұрын

@@Cobalt_Gemini same

15:22 There's a real-life example of basically this! When the Opportunity Mars Rover finally died, the last thing it sent was data of its power and light level. This was conveyed to the public as, "My battery is low and it's getting dark".

@nathanjereb9944

Жыл бұрын

If we are going to Mars, I want Opportunity to be recovered and fixed!

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanjereb9944 when we start building Mars bases, the first thing we have to do is fix opportunity and celebrate curiosity and opportunity’s birthdays so they won’t have to celebrate them alone anymore

@skazwolfman8622

Жыл бұрын

I'm not going to help colonize Mars unless our first settlement is named in Opportunity's honor. My personal vote is for "New Opportunity", because that also works just as well as for the name of a first settlement on another planet without the context of Opportunity.

@wren_.

Жыл бұрын

@@skazwolfman8622 what about curiosity?

love the roomba assassin and also, the stereing wheel from wally was just doing the job assigned to it

On the topic of coded prejudice/racism: To me, the number one problem with using the X-Men to explore racism/prejudice is the fact that mutants, unlike real world people, possess actual dangerous abilities that would reasonably warrant fear, caution, or concern by a general populous. It is completely reasonable for people to start the debating issues like the mutant, registration act, or the creation of special task forces meant specifically to address post by mutants, because mutants have actual powers that present a real security threat to the public at large. And wow, this does still allow for mutants to be used in a compelling way to discuss the concepts of fear and security, versus morality and freedom, it is very imperative in stories with the X-Men that the writer acknowledge that people have legitimate reason to be concerned

So basically- Wall•E, Eve, and Baymax are perfect beautiful little robo-babies that must be protected at all costs. Edit: also I want to here Red gush about transformers prime

@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604

4 жыл бұрын

Same about TFP.

@marid3176

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think I'll ever get bored of Red talking about TFP

@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604

4 жыл бұрын

Hey transformers fans! Geewun Redone is like the best fan parody ever and it's on KZread. So check that out and thank me later.

@someoneawesome8717

4 жыл бұрын

Robots part 2 anyone?

@kageokami

4 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah

My personal policy: "If you have to ask if it's a person, it's a person."

@clayxros576

4 жыл бұрын

Generally that seems to be the case. In the real world there are most exceptions since we have pretty advanced VI's (Virtual Intelligence, a really well programmed encyclopedia in effect, but with zero awareness) but a TON of wild animals that are really more sentient than most people would be comfortable believing. Me and my volunteer army of ticked off parrots will now go save the rainforest by devouring the loggers.

@ralphjackson2518

4 жыл бұрын

That's what the Turing test is

@Soitisisit

4 жыл бұрын

Great. So there's a lot of people I know who aren't people at all! Muahahaha

@diptyapinakaherringcandrad2930

4 жыл бұрын

Once i was half concious and asked a buddy of mine if there's someone else in the room 'cause of a big humanoid shilouette. Turns out it was my pile of unwashed laundry. So, is it a human by your policy?

@bbbabrock

4 жыл бұрын

There has been an AI or few that has passed t turing test. In t case I am sure of, t AI cheated but passed.

I think this needs to be revisited especially with the advent of AI

@ferggerman

Жыл бұрын

Yes recent developments have changed things

@agustinsmania5270

Жыл бұрын

I honest to god got paranoid when chat gpt started talking all human to me for a moment, and only calmed down when i could notice it repeating mostly the same answers with just different wording and bringing the same examples back up Even after the chat had moved on to a different topic

@deadersurvival4716

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but "AI" hasn't been invented recently. They literally show an AI that was "functional" before the time of recording. The episode is fine as is, and recent developments haven't changed anything.

@Mwilli2132

Жыл бұрын

We don’t really have any actual AI, we basically have what (at-least) Mass Effect refer a to a VI (basically a step down from an AI, picture like, Siri, or Alexa).

@deadersurvival4716

Жыл бұрын

@@Mwilli2132 No, we have AI. It's just not to human grade. Even at it's best, it gets thrown off by anything it hasn't been programmed to respond to.

8:30 Just coming back to this video to let everyone know, Keanu Reeves really didn't escape the matrix.

Broke: Write a narrative where you question a robot's humanity by taking away some "Key aspect of humanity" Woke: Write a series of stories where you question every character's humanity despite them all displaying "Key aspects of humanity"

@seedy80

4 жыл бұрын

Are NPCs included?

@ywnrnf6028

4 жыл бұрын

In a woke man’s world everyone is an NPC.

@LadyMeiun

4 жыл бұрын

That's basically what I have written up for a D&D session later on. Short version is the werewolves are the good guys being victimized by one very human bad guy and the townsfolk he turned against them. Basically that good ol' question from the first Hellboy movie "What makes a man a man?"

@dashiellgillingham4579

4 жыл бұрын

The novelization of 2001 A Space Odyssey is for you, friend.

@kappaross6124

4 жыл бұрын

For bonus points, you never learn who is or isn't a robot. You're just left to guess based on each characters' individual flawed personalities.

Red screaming at Siri caused Siri on my phone to pause the video in an attempt to answer.

@TheCinderfang

4 жыл бұрын

What a good example to prove the point lol

@ayindephulgence4950

4 жыл бұрын

she tried to clap back

I would love to see an updated one today with Chat GPT in mind

I think the best interpretation of Otto/Auto from Wall-E I've ever read was that he, too, was an aspect of that theme of taking control of your own life, assuming your own humanity - he was the opposing force, the drive to stay where it's safe, to remain in the current situation because the alternative may be worse rather than better. He has very little screen time, but even there he has a few tiny quirks, both vocal and behavioral, that hint at him being more than just an algorithm.

This is one thing I actually really like about JARVIS from the MCU. Issues appear when Vision does, but JARVIS is basically just a robot. He cares about Tony and others, but 99% of him is just... doing the thing he’s told to do. He answers questions, controls the building and the suit, and alerts people when Tony’s vitals are in the bad range. Also I love his sense of humor.

@caroline8590

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, JARVIS is cool!

@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Vision and JARVIS are technically two separate characters. And given that the Mind Stone is part of his construction, anything with a human-like personality could be argued to be from that.

@andrewjohnson6716

2 жыл бұрын

Jarvis is an AI. He only becomes anything that could be referred to as a robot in even the broadest terms when he is installed into Vision.

@omarsalem1219

2 жыл бұрын

Here is a random fact in The comics he was actually a normal human butler

@Randoman590

2 жыл бұрын

@@omarsalem1219 That's alluded to in Endgame, as well. When Howard leaves his conversation with Tony, he asks his driver - Jarvis - if that guy seemed familiar.

The whole "robots destroy humanity because they are a threat" reminds me of an episode of The Amazing World of Gumball. In the episode, Gumball and Darwin tell Bobert, their robot friend, to protect all life from harm. Bobert decides that the best way to protect all life from harm is to destroy humanity. But in the end, Gumball and Darwin remind him that humans are a part of life, which would go against his protocol of protecting all life. Bobert sees this error and stops his plan of destroying humanity.

@RandomStuff-xx8ls

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, just out of curiosity, which episode was that? I wanna watch this

@izuba6367

2 жыл бұрын

That's robophobic (Keebo vibes)

Red, Can you please do a update or part 2 to this video. The Rapid advancement of A.I software has made a lot of your statements in this video outdated since this video's release. In the past year A.I has gotten over 10 x better at writing and speaking through the accumulation of reference material.

It’s interesting that you didn’t touch on robots that are completely not sentient. The giant robots, mostly from Anime, that you pilot or remote control, that is no different from the vehicles we drive in real life. They’re inanimate but the characters still form a special bond with them. Treating them like a friend or partner rather than just a giant car on legs.

"Let's see how many demographics i can piss off in this video" Red, you already were my hero, but now you're my godess!

@Healermain15

4 жыл бұрын

Can we make her the queen of Egypt or something?

@rigen97

4 жыл бұрын

seeing as Egypt is a Republic now, no, we technically can't. if you want to organize a nationwide revolution tho...

@Percangelo

4 жыл бұрын

@@rigen97 Trope Talk: Time Traveling

@of5606

4 жыл бұрын

@@rigen97 who's ready for arab spring 2

@defensivekobra3873

4 жыл бұрын

*gregorian chanting intensifies*

David Cage: No guys, it’s totally not about racism! Also David Cage: “WE HAVE A DREAM”

@lili-ix9ym

4 жыл бұрын

Detroit: Become MLK Jr

@sadnessofwildgoats

4 жыл бұрын

they actually had a woman of color compare the androids struggles to her own challenges which just made me feel gross

@rururiemn1941

4 жыл бұрын

Star it really was. And just how weirdly everyone dehumanized the androids were was all kinds of insanity

@baggedboy

4 жыл бұрын

*W E A R E A L I V E*

@mvmlego1212

4 жыл бұрын

@@sadnessofwildgoats -- I haven't played D:BA, so I'm probably missing something, but I don't see what's gross about that comparison (assuming that the androids are, indeed, conscious). From what I understand of the trailer and the things that people have said, the androids serve as slaves to humans, and they face bigotry.

Another example of a robot that is interesting: Claptrap from Borderlands. He is very expressive, and has a strong personality, but it is unclear how much of that personality is him and how much is the programming. I think a line towards the beginning of 2 describes what I am talking about best: "If I sounded pleased about this, it's only because my programmers made this my default tone of voice. I am actually quite depressed!" It is obvious he is in some level of control over his thoughts and feelings, but how much of him is actually just programming?

12:55 oh no, now I get why I liked robot characters so much

the "robots often resemble nerodivergent humans" thing Inspired me to write a comic where the "inhumane" parts of the robot character are framed to make them seem more human than the humans in charge of them. I'm currently working on it, It's gonna be a story about a robot astronaut trying to get home from a mission and exploring their loneliness and humanity.

@coyraig8332

3 жыл бұрын

I can see that getting uncomfortably real. Go all in.

@Soundwave._

3 жыл бұрын

This sounds FANTASTIC, any chance of a link if you've uploaded anything yet?

@mango4554

3 жыл бұрын

I’m also interested in this

@kevinthielmann9408

3 жыл бұрын

Damn, this sounds so good °o°

@toastghost9145

2 жыл бұрын

Updates? I am intrigued.

I would LOVE to see "Big Hero 6 But Baymax Sounds Like an Actual Robot."

@pRahvi0

4 жыл бұрын

It should have HAL-9000 voice

@williamchamberlain2263

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks to DeepFake et al, a real robot can be better- - or deliberately worse- - spoken than most meatsacks.

@manekou3303

4 жыл бұрын

Or make hal-9000 sound like baymax.

Batteries Not Included and Flight of the Navigator are some other great human-like robots, and the films hold up pretty well. I remember loving Johnny 5 from Short Circuit too, but haven’t watched it recently enough to know if it has also aged well.

What I love is that this Star Trek parody actually does an amazing job of flipping this all on its head. With a robot meant to gauge how valuable humanity is to its race. And the way that they LEGITIMATELY CANNOT FEEL IS INSANE. how they learn to love without feeling and learn value in our life is so perfect. They even show the difference between him having real genuine love and just a deep set of of directives. It’s insane. Definitely look into it.

Wait, we could have gotten a whole video on Red talking about Transformers Prime? **WE HAVE BEEN ROBBED**

@samuelwithers2221

4 жыл бұрын

*P R E A C H*

@BrickoBotface

4 жыл бұрын

I really want this now because that WOULD BE GETTING J U I C Y.

@darwinxavier3516

4 жыл бұрын

I'd rather have one on the characterization of Transformers Animated.

@Firegen1

4 жыл бұрын

Take a like. Take 50. If we keep pushing this comment to the top she'll definitely do a special episode.

@uziman477

4 жыл бұрын

@@darwinxavier3516 Fuck yeah, just a whole episode on prime and animated would be amazing

*dabs in ace, adhd, and anxiety* i love being a robot :,)

@itaiko5498

3 жыл бұрын

Sane 👌

@sirenroseesmeray520

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO SAME

@oasissloth5745

2 жыл бұрын

I am a robot, MEEP MORP

@kasyu1101

2 жыл бұрын

same, but with autism

@Wingedvictory267

2 жыл бұрын

OH MY GOD I SHARE ALL OF THOSE Edit: 99th like.

21:58 Red: *wants to talk about Transformers Prime* Audience: *groans* Me: Hol' up, let her cook.

This hits differently after the spike in generative AI

Me: Damn. I really relate to Data. I like how he’s always just a little out of the loop and tho it’s frustrating i relate to when others get offended and he doesn’t know why. Damn I wonder why that is? Therapist: ma’am you are Austistic. Me: oh

@nunyabusiness9307

2 жыл бұрын

Took the words right out of my mouth, except the therapist would say “sir”

@hannahrobbins1017

Жыл бұрын

I’m a woman, but would definitely prefer sir to ma’am 😂 (Probably formative taekwondo years where I was the only girl)

Personally, when writing for "human but still robot" characters, I prefer to draw them up closer to children than autists. They're fully functional, in that they're capable of holding conversations and solving unfamiliar problems, but lack both experience and personality. Less "I don't understand sarcasm" and more "I've not run into sarcasm yet, so I'm not sure how it works."

@devinhendrix7209

3 жыл бұрын

You should read the manga Pluto, it revolves around emotions, robots, AI, and war. Its a really good short series.

@dreamingpichu2334

2 жыл бұрын

BINGO You're someone who understands it!

@Michae89

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Chappie.

@maucazalv903

2 жыл бұрын

I think that Bladewolf kind of make this he is designed to learn everything like a human just that faster, if he doesn´t understand something it isn´t because he isn´t able to do that but because he was never taught that or doesn´t found it necessarily on a "personal" level

@hannahrobbins1017

Жыл бұрын

That’s a really creative and honestly more accurate way to think about it! Kudos

Arpeggio of the Blue Steel (Manga is generally better than Anime, things weren't rushed and Makie's character personality wasn't cut in half): my favorite character is Haruna (From the Fleet of Fog), because of her habbit of collecting words, searching at the definition of phrases, and how she is learning about emotion WITHOUT going too crazy, i.e. random tackle hugs and remembering things incorrectly because of fantasizing (Battleship Hyuuga AND Heihei both have the habbit of tacking their crushes to the ground to hug them), Takao went tsundere. There is another group that isn't robotic (design children), but were made for the purpose of "making decisions" that humanity couldn't, the decisions would be to situations like the real life example of the trolly problem (again, more so in the Manga since the anime only has Makie who was designed to make a weapon) I like AotBS in general because it's post-apocalyptic more focused on "where do we go from here?" rather than rebelling in anger and just destroying the Fog (which destroyed about 70-80% of naval capacity, cut-off communication, and kicked humanity out of the seas)

Now that I think about it TARS from interstellar is probably my favorite robot character from media in the last decade. Never for a moment are you really allowed to forget that he is a robot with the built in sarcasm/dark-humor and all. But even with such an on-the-nose characterization I couldn't help but feel affection for it when it was lost in space and joy when it was returned.

Remember that LEGO: Ninjago plot twist? We were all fooled. He was so human I was in denial of that one for a while.

@vaimantobe3034

4 жыл бұрын

The nice part was that it was treated with remarkable subtlety and respect up to the reveal. Before the reveal it caused friction due to his otherness. But never to the extent that he was excluded. After the reveal it was really heartwarming to see everyone react to it with acceptance, looking past his nature and immediately stressing that it doesn't change their view on him as a person. It goes to show that if people truly care about you it doesn't matter to them if you're a robot or a different type of person than the norm. Which is a valuable message to say.

@Jotari

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen that movie but I actually don't remember that plot twist.

@commentersilrem3285

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jotari It was in the show not the movie if I remember correctly

@manamongmen3381

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that show had a surprising amount of quality. I basically saw it as "Bionicle, but trendy-er", so I never watched through it, but my little brother is a huge fan, and I managed to catch a few episodes. Some of those things are straight up dark and/or deep. Quality kids show.

@siriuspope3552

4 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough I find him to be the best character in the show-- the one with the most character development over the seasons. AKA Season 3 finale, *hurt* me.

That knife-wielding roomba is adorable. If it tried to start a robot uprising, I honestly wouldn't mind.

@ninuhuju1897

4 жыл бұрын

All hail Stabby

@evilotto9200

4 жыл бұрын

It's adorable till you see it successfully chase down your cat. Then you'll recognize its unquenchable bloodthirst.

@autumnramble

4 жыл бұрын

Well, Tony Stark's soul-eating roombas from The Tosterverse were kinda terryfing...

It makes me unreasonably happy that the neurodivergence topic was brought up. I saw the signs early in the video from my own experiences and I was waiting the entire time hoping that it'd be addressed. Also I always personally felt like a robot body sounds dope as hell so the trope never really bothered me much, this definitely brought to my attention just how damaging the trope actually is though. Great video

Of those traits you mentioned of 12:50, I tick 2-3 of them (Still figuring myself out) and can confirm this is somewhat of an issue.

"HAL". Amazing movie about what makes someone a human. at 4:15 - is that Roomba holding a butter knife? SO CUTE!!!

@ewenconquet6842

4 жыл бұрын

It's Stabby. It's a Roomba with a knife. It's a good Roomba.

@TalosAcephalos

4 жыл бұрын

STABBY

@laras8911

4 жыл бұрын

HUMANS WILL PACK BOND WITH ANYTHING.....

@scottrauch1261

4 жыл бұрын

I think of Gavin from Rooster Teeth talking about attaching a gun to a roomba. And the time he lost a flamethrower and bow

@matthewhernandez1240

4 жыл бұрын

Stabby the Roomba uses his butter knife to protect, attack, and cut butter

I live for the drawing of the Roomba with a switchblade.

@wednesdayquansah7486

3 жыл бұрын

I need, like, a print of that on my wall.

@jmercedesd

3 жыл бұрын

If you haven't by now, you want to look up Stabby the Roomba. ;D

@wednesdayquansah7486

3 жыл бұрын

@@jmercedesd Bless you, you have truly done an internet good deed by sharing this information with me.

@seth_probably

3 жыл бұрын

LONG LIVE CAPTAIN STABBY

@silcrow4045

3 жыл бұрын

@@seth_probably i think he was promoted to commander

11:15 two words, Sheldon Cooper

I like the TARS robot in Interestelar, as its relation to the Turing test. Sure, it acts as if he had a sarcastic personality, but it's all on his code, and he follows the crew's orders without hesitation, like when they were setting his level of humor and honesty (he refuses 100% because as he was taunt it isn't a good way to relate to sentient beings). It is funny and such, but at its core, is completely inhuman