I'm reminded of a scene in the Red Dwarf books where athletes were genetically modified to gain advantage, to the point where soccer goalkeepers were modified to fit exactly into the dimensions of the goal.

@charlesshreeve319

Жыл бұрын

Must have been kind of hard for that goalie to get on the bus after the game!

@leightondavies6867

Жыл бұрын

Really? That's funny as fuck!

@Amethyst_Friend

Жыл бұрын

That was specifically the Scotland goalie. They still failed to reach the knockout phase.

@SECONDQUEST

Жыл бұрын

Red dwarf is fun

@Demane69

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, and why I love British humor; it always has an element of truth behind it (as compared to American humor which is usually based entirely on a complete fabrication of the truth, aka lies). I've lost interest in what I call "freak sports". Basketball became "who is the tallest". Volleyball has become the same and they even allow freely swapping their 7 foot freaks into the front row and replace them with rear court defensive specialists ... they don't even play a full rotation anymore. Most hockey goalies are the biggest players on the team, for the simple reason they fill the net more and barely have to move to save a puck. I still like hockey because it's too dynamic to totally turn it into a freak sport.

Trans mtf here. I transitioned 20 years ago and have had all the surgeries and I live stealth amongst you. Even though I have lost most of my male body mass, I can still out do most cis women. IMO it is not fair. Id love to see a trans category.

@marcr9410

9 ай бұрын

You mean women. Cis nonsense is made up and normal born women dont want to be called that. How far have come, that we have to call women cis women. This is braindead nonsense.

@ysffilms9326

9 ай бұрын

What about stop using cis for us, it's insulting we're not responsible for your madness.

@andym4695

9 ай бұрын

It suits you. From your thumbnail, I would have never in a million years guessed.

@flyprincess69

9 ай бұрын

@@andym4695 Thank you, I had Facial Feminization Surgery 3 years ago which made the difference in my transition.

@anitaig05

9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I live in Seoul, Korea, where in 1988 Griffith Joyner set a women's 100-meter dash record of 10.49 seconds that remain unbroken to this day. But that same 10.49 seconds, which no other woman has been able to match for 36 years, would rank Joyner at around 3000th in the world as a male athlete. The athletic gap between men and women, especially when it comes to muscular strength, is quite substantial. World's best female tennis couldn't beat the world's best 300th best male player, etc.

Sabine is the mind our world needs right now. Imagine if governments could be this sincere. Love your content Sabine!!!

@linyenchin6773

10 ай бұрын

No woman should ever be governing civilization unless you want civilization to fall into a multicultural hellhole that is, on the surface, a means to help the brokensexuals and us POC feel "equality" within civilization aka North America but below the surface it is only a means to reduce overall population.

@linyenchin6773

10 ай бұрын

She is still superior to 9/10ths of all male politicians but the solution isn't one man level woman, we need a superman level man to guide us all.

@matthewmilner8308

10 ай бұрын

Yeah she'll wade into any poop for money.

@davidmorse2310

9 ай бұрын

Are people so ignorant to not realize there are Transgender Men? People born and identified on Birth Certificates as Boys?

@user-cz5en1nq3t

9 ай бұрын

Actually this video is a great example how politicians work with science. Hard science: "Trans women have unfair advantage". Our proposition: "Sport is inherently unfair!" Our conclusion: "Science tells it's OK to let trans athletes to compete in women's sports!" ???? Profit!

I'm a dressage trainer and therapeutic horseback riding instructor, and equestrian sports stand out as not being segregated by sex, even at the elite level. On the other hand, there's one big unfair advantage that determines a person's high level success at these sports, and that's money. There are exceptions, of course, but starting out wealthy is a big indicator of whether you can ascend to the top level. Competitive sports are not fair in many ways, and I love the concept of meaningful competition instead.

@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the horse is the one doing all the work, if we're being honest.... lol

@Doty6String

Жыл бұрын

Are male horses stronger than female horses? I have no idea

@mattdale81861

Жыл бұрын

Can we really call this a sport? You do less work than a race car driver.

@zackwolf4625

Жыл бұрын

YES COMRADE!!!❤

@pjaypender1009

Жыл бұрын

Money is a huge advantage in every single sport. I'm glad you agree that it's an *unfair* advantage.

"Athletes are biological extremes. Fairness has never been the point of these completions. They are really more like freak shows! Kind of like Physics Conferences." LOL - I love it.

@GiRR007

Жыл бұрын

This is a complete misunderstanding of professional sports and athletes. Athletes aren't biological extremes, they are just people that have decided to focus their efforts on improving themselves in their chosen sport like almost anyone can. They aren't special. And fairness has been a VERY important point when it comes to competitive sports where people are playing as a career. Otherwise things like using steroids would be permitted, or really ANY other kind of cheating. To say that "Fairness has never been the point" Is either totally ignorant or willing disingenuous.

@xynix1549

Жыл бұрын

​@@GiRR007 athletes aren't biological extremes? how many 5'8" basketball players are you seeing succeed in the NBA? effort is absolutely a major part of the equation, but it's disingenuous to act as though biology has nothing to do with top athletes' success. you need both to succeed.

@GiRR007

Жыл бұрын

@@xynix1549 no you need both to be one of the best, you only need 1 to succeed.

@xynix1549

Жыл бұрын

@@GiRR007 okay, how many successful 5'8" basketball players are there in the NBA?

@GiRR007

Жыл бұрын

@@xynix1549 quite a few, actually theres one guy who was in the NBA at 5,3

Sabine, it is possible that the low testosterone scores for elite male athletes was a result of them coming off of their steroid cycle. These kind of scores are often seen in athletes who are known to use steroids, Jon Jones is a good example. It is very unlikely that a man with levels of testosterone comparable to elite female athletes would be able to compete at an elite level with men… unless of course he’s just coming off a steroid cycle

@originalsinquirls1205

10 ай бұрын

... i'm not sure she actually critically examines every study she shows. actually i'm rpetty sure she doesn't.

@sandrawiersma2512

8 ай бұрын

Just read the discussion of the paper. These levels were measured after an event, and extreme stress can deplete your testosterone levels apparently. Often this is recovered after a good night's sleep. This study was a spin-off from a study on the effects of doping, so roids have definitely been checked for :) The interesting part of this paper isn't necessarily about testosterone, but differences in lean body mass. They even conclude that using serum testosterone as a means to exclude certain women from competition is untenable, and that LBM is likely a much more important marker.

@walkingwith_dinosaurs

5 ай бұрын

Yeah that was weird

@ivoryas1696

3 ай бұрын

@@sandrawiersma2512 Good on you, dude-ette!

@bz2376

2 ай бұрын

@@sandrawiersma2512doping still takes place at extraordinarily high levels at the olympics and not usually in very specific and borderline undetectable way, very hard thing to control for even in a study of this magnitude

In the video you explain that the advantages decrease over time with the administration of hormone therapy. I think this situation is compounded by the fact that, for the most part, sports are a young persons game. Very few athletes stay relevant even in middle age. The average age of medal winning gymnasts at the 2021 Tokyo Olympics was 20.6 years old. Athletes don't have the time to wait for the playing field to level. I also guess, but don't know for certain, that the biological differences between the physical performance of men and women is most pronounced at younger ages, the age demographic where they athletes are competing.

@EbonyPope

Ай бұрын

Still you have body height and bone structure even without going through male puberty. It just isn't fair. Especially in stregnth based sports. She said that it is not so much the case with endurance but even there the difference is not as small as she made it look. It is still significant.

@XXXX-yc6wv

4 күн бұрын

Laurel Hubbard is a good example of what you're speaking to. She competed in the Olympics at age 43 and was considered a serious medal contender having ranked 7th in the IWF's women's +87 kg division. The biological women she was competing against were 10 to 20 years younger than her. She had a previous lifting career, then took more than a decade off and did not compete internationally for 16 years. That is an eternity to be out of training for an Olympic level competitor. She had only been training again for 3 years when she was selected for the Olympics. That is a suspiciously small amount of training for that level of competition. The fact that she took so much time off, but at age 43 was an Olympic contender after just 3 years training again demonstrates your point: even though her age has diminished her competitive abilities, as a biological male she continues to lift at the same standard as female competitors who have consistently trained and are in their prime.

Congrats on taking on a ‘controversial’ topic and conveying the complexity of the science as opposed to taking a ‘stance’ as is often expected from commentators. I note that people on both sides of the conversation have a tendency to over-simplify and reach for easy answers, which sadly are not readily forthcoming. I use the same term to describe athletes btw - freaks! But the physics conference follow-up burn was perfectly on brand 🔥😂

@thethreeheadedmonkey

Жыл бұрын

We demand more videos with various poorly attempted accents, Rohin.

@AiguilleVoodoo

Жыл бұрын

Both sides tends to over-simplify but it’s pretty obvious that ONE side is doing it on purpose and on repeat to further their hateful agenda, while the other side is simply trying to defend a marginalized group, sometimes in a clumsy manner. The dynamic is such that there is a clear aggressor in this discussion and I find it ironic to reduce this to “both sides are wrong”, because it’s an oversimplification.

@maverick9708

Жыл бұрын

@@AiguilleVoodoo sounds like steel man/strawman interpretation based on perspective. One could be just as uncharitable and say "one side is protecting a marginalized group (women) and the other is trying to set progress back by excluding women's achievements and purposefully misrepresenting the facts" Like your statement, it's an incredibly unhelpful summary and not acknowledging that these divisive ways of talking about these issues aren't moving the needle for any dissenters

@elizabethhenning778

Жыл бұрын

@@maverick9708 There's plenty of other evidence that the great majority of people screaming loudest about "save women's sports" (1) actually couldn't care less about women's sports and (2) hate any kind of gender nonconformity.

@TheBenjaminsky

Жыл бұрын

Nothing brings me more joy than seeing one of my favorite youtubers adding a well thought out comment to a video from another.

I find the story of Tom Dempsey really illustrative here, especially when compared with Michael Phelps. Tom Dempsey was a kicker in American Football who, in 1970, kicked a successful field goal from 63 yards (57.6 meters) out. This record stood for over 40 years, only being beat in 2013 by a single yard. Tom Dempsey also only had half a kicking foot. He was born with no toes on his right foot (and no fingers on his right hand). This mild disability gave him the ability to kick a football straight-on rather than needing to use the side of his foot. The advantages that would give are obvious. He had a custom shoe made to fit his foot, but investigation by ESPN sports science determined that that hadn't given him any more advantage than a normal shoe would a normal kicker. Even so, people were pissed. Noted union-busting piece of shit, Tex Schramm, openly said that he thought there should be an asterisk by Dempsey's record. And in 1977, a rule was made specifically saying that anyone kicking had to wear a normal shoe, no matter how much of a foot they did or didn't have. Tom Dempsey had a unique body that let him do something incredible, and people really didn't like that. Contrast this with Michael Phelps. Michael Phelps is a mutant who was genetically engineered to swim really fucking good. He has a huge torso and short legs (relatively speaking, he is 6'4"), a wingspan longer than he is tall, hyperextended joints that let him move like a mermaid, huge paddle feet, and he even produces half as much lactic acid (the thing that makes your muscles hurt when you work them hard) as his competitors. Michael Phelps and Tom Dempsey both worked incredibly hard and pushed their unique bodies to the peak of athletic ability. But one of them is celebrated, and one of them had the guy who invented the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders and their hotpants say that his record didn't count.

@yessum15

Жыл бұрын

This is not random and it makes sense. Phelps is still using his own body whereas Dempsey is relying on specialized external apparatus to enhance his performance. This is like if a boxer lost his arms in an accident and replaced them with metal prosthetics. We would not cheer for him either. Furthermore I should note that Phelps genetic mutation (Marfan Syndrome) is less obvious and well understood by the general public than the idea of having half a foot. So it makes sense that one would generate more ire than the other. They are simply not aware of Phelps' advantage.

@elijeschke

Жыл бұрын

@@yessum15 I said in the original post that an investigation determined the shoe hadn't given him any particular advantage. But even so, he still had to have immense leg strength and incredible aim to make that kick. He didn't have a rocket boot attached to his foot. That said, I will grant you Phelps' mutations are significantly less obvious than Dempsey's. But that's honestly kind of my point.

@yessum15

Жыл бұрын

@@elijeschke You did say that the investigation determined the shoe gave no advantage. And I ignored that. Just like the people in your story. Want to know why? Because that is likely nonsense and people intuitively know it. People know that the likelihood the man with this rare physical abnormality and specialized equipment also just happens to be the best kicker ever is too big a coincidence. They also know that such a dramatic change to the major variables present having no effect positive or negative on outcomes is basically 0. This is like if every football player kicks a football but I throw a Frisbee and score dramatically different from the rest. It's gonna take more than a scientist simply declaring "the Frisbee made no difference" to convince people. We're going to need a mountain of high quality evidence here. Now consider the problems with getting _any_ evidence at all. Science is a slow process. It operates best when questions are narrowly defined and variables are limited. When sample sizes are large and research is conducted by disinterested neutral parties ashering to strict protocols. The number of variables present here is insane and the physics is very complicated. Having half a foot dramatically changes the muscle to weight ratio between his power generating hips, and the weight of the foot they have to lift. The swing is totally different. And the shape contacting the football is totally different. The traction on that shape is different. His body mechanics as a whole are different. It would take a great deal of money and time to attempt to get a solid scientific answer to these questions. On top of that their sample size is literally n=1 And the "investigation" is probably as far from scientific as one can imagine and is being organized by a non-scientific organization with a vested interest in a particular outcome. This "investigation" probably has about as much scientific credibility as that ridiculous simulated fight between Rocky Marciano & Muhammad Ali. Which is to say it probably has less credibility than the the scripted fights of Rocky Balboa. So given the extremely obvious nature of the deformity, its hugely intuitive likelihood of influencing outcomes, and the dearth of any real evidence to the contrary some skepticism is totally understandable.

@elijeschke

Жыл бұрын

@@yessum15 In case of all that, then what would you suggest Dempsey do? Should he not be allowed to play the game because he only has half a foot? Should he be forced to play with no shoe, disadvantaging him compared to every other player? Should he have to have an extra half-foot stuffed into a shoe, and if that's the case, wouldn't that also be a device that could potentially aid him? What's the solution here?

@yessum15

Жыл бұрын

@@elijeschke No. Because everything I just described is good reason to _suspect_ an advantage but it is not by any stretch of the imagination proof of an advantage. The best solution is to do what they did. Let him play and let the losers talk trash. I was only pointing out that his detractors' talk wasn't entirely unreasonable. It is understandable why they would feel that way. But that doesn't mean we should act on their feelings.

"Fairness" is indeed a complex concept in sports. I have a condition that was at one time known as "Clumsy Child Syndrome," but despite the name, I did not grow out of it. It is more than just what typical people mean by being "clumsy," but is not the same level of physical impairment as would be seen in, for example, cerebral palsy. (At one point, it was thought to be on a spectrum with cerebral palsy.) I cannot compete "fairly" with typical people in sports. With very hard work, I might be able to get to the low end of normal in some specific sport, but if the people I'm competing against work just as hard or even quite a bit less hard, I will still lose. Whether you call it "fair competition" or "meaningful competition," the only way for me to have it would be if there were a Clumsy Child Syndrome version of Special Olympics. There isn't. For one thing, there aren't enough of us. "Competing with myself" is not an absurdity to me; it is the only meaningful participation in score-keeping sports I can have. I sometimes say that I am "the worst bowler you will ever meet with my own ball and shoes," and I get very excited if I can bowl my age, a feat which, obviously, keeps getting more challenging as I get older, but still involves a score even most casual bowlers would consider embarrassing. Interestingly, the one and only advantage my condition has given me is that I do not have very strong left/right hand dominance; I am fairly ambidextrous. But the rules of bowling say I cannot use this advantage, because it would be "unfair" to people who weren't born with ambidexterity. Funny how that works, huh? The ONE advantage I, a very disadvantaged bowler have, would be "unfair" to everyone else, but my clumsiness is not considered "unfair," just the way things are. I can't help but think, "Oh, NOW you care about fairness? Heads you win, tails I lose, THAT'S what's 'fair'?" See what I mean about fairness being complicated?

@lonelycubicle

10 ай бұрын

As a kid, used to play pickup sports with someone who definitely would have fallen into “clumsy child syndrome” (tripped a lot, odd way of running). I THINK he started taking a certain medication and ended up being one of the better athletes on high school sports teams (especially basketball.) Was an amazing transformation.

@jimmym3352

9 ай бұрын

I was just a nerd. I sucked at all sports, though I wasn't as bad as they portray it in movies, I could actually hit a softball. I did actually play youth soccer, but I was a bench warmer. My coach would put me in a few minutes a game.

@FractalParadox

8 ай бұрын

Fairnes does not exist. It's an illusion of perception, an abstraction like luck, success, money, and power. Nothing is really fair. It's just rules we invent to make sense of the world. Should we even be surprised those rules are biased to our beliefs and, in essence, also unfair? Luck, or random chance, is by far the most important factor for anyone's success, and yet successful people still attribute most of it to their hard work or talent. Most world records in runs were achieved with a tailwind. Most professional athletes are born in certain months, and becoming super rich is mostly achieved by already being richer than average to begin with. The entire discussion of fairness on inconsequential things like sports or art or what have you, is meaningless. Is it fair that most workplace accidents with power tools happen to left-handed people? Is it fair that the chances of achieving your dreams are basically 99% determined by where you were born? No. Of course not. Should we still strive to make it fair? Probably. Will we ever get there? Absolutely not.

@lonelycubicle

8 ай бұрын

@@FractalParadox That said, what would you suggest for trans women athletes? Seems to me it’s “fair” to allow trans women athletes to compete if did not experience puberty as a male as a start while the issue is looked into more (the position taken by one of the sports institutions.) I’m curious if competition by weight class regardless of gender would be a solution.

@trishoconnor2169

8 ай бұрын

@@FractalParadox The fact that something is an "abstraction" does not mean that it does not exist as something "real," even if it is intangible. For example, "success" means "achieving your goals." It doesn't in itself define what the goals are, and some goals people set for themselves are more achievable than others. People succeed at a wide variety of things every single day. In a similar way, just because some things are things that we realize we will never fully achieve does not mean they are not real, any more than an asymptotic value is unreal in math. It is real as something to be striven toward, even if it never becomes real as something already achieved. People who too readily say "Life will never be fair" sometimes use that as an excuse not to strive to make it any more fair than it already is. I think it's good to value fairness as a real concept, because it keeps us striving. It's also worth considering that maybe "unearned" is not always "unfair." It is what we do with unearned advantages that can determine whether a situation is fair. People of equally good will may not always agree on what's fair, but it's worthwhile to continue debating it, such as whether ambidexterity is any more "unfair" an advantage than other unearned qualities that increase performance in sports. I think in the course of that debate, some people might face the fact some of their own advantages are just as unearned as those they want to outlaw because they happen to be held by other people rather than by themselves.

Well thought out, but the fact still remains that as far as I know up to this point, there hasn't been a single trans man win a single male sporting event of any type, (if anybody knows of one please reply) while trans women are breaking women's records left and right at all levels and all events.

@orbeetles

3 күн бұрын

Patricio Manuel comes to mind

@timehaley

3 күн бұрын

@@orbeetles Exactly what title or gold medal did he win against another man? He's had 4 fights against men. The first 3 were against specially picked fighters to let him win, the most recent one didn't go that way. I know all about Patricio Manuel. He's the first and only one anybody brings up so I did some research on him. As a female she was a champion, as a male he's just an oddity and will never win a title.

@TheTonic009

2 күн бұрын

can you please show me where this left and right winning everywhere is?

@orbeetles

2 күн бұрын

@timehaley which trans women are doing all this record breaking

@timehaley

2 күн бұрын

@@orbeetles Using the web Here are some of the trans women who have won national or international competitions or championships: Tiffany Abreu: The volleyball player was a big part of the team that won the 2022 Brazilian Cup. Molly Cameron: Cameron won the female category of the three-day Cascade Gravel Grinder in 20231. JayCee Cooper: Cooper won the women’s 2019 national championship for bench press in the super heavyweight division. Michelle Dumaresq: She won the 2003 Canadian National Championships in downhill mountain biking. Laurel Hubbard: The Olympic weightlifter won two Oceania Championships and two Commonwealth Championships, amongst many gold medals she won during her competition years, adding a World Masters Games title in 2017, when she won a silver in the World Championships. Veronica Ivy: Ivy is a two-time masters world champion, notably winning the 2018 UCI World Masters Track Cycling Championships in her age category. It’s important to note that no out trans woman has won an Olympic medal in the women’s category. However, Canadian soccer player Quinn, who identifies as nonbinary, has earned gold medals. Please note that this is not an exhaustive list and there may be other trans women who have achieved similar feats in various sports

Science as it should be. Not just throwing numbers and studies at the viewer, but actually understanding the method used, number of subjects tested and context of the study to weight the real compatibility of the resulta with the whole population. Keep up with the great content!

@weakamna

Жыл бұрын

as well as contextualizing the dry facts into the real world with societal nuances!

@plagueisthewise2580

Жыл бұрын

Really, this is the most neutral yet extremely informative piece of video essay material on a touchy societal/social subject I've seen

@seth7745

Жыл бұрын

That being said, the numbers in these studies are quite small. Too small by most standards (11-12). Also, who funded the studies? Unfortunately, science is rarely unbiassed as there is always an incentive to satisfy the stakeholders (funders) with results they want or expect. After all, The tobacco industry funded peer reviewed studies that determined cigarettes are good for you and Coca-Cola funded peer reviewed studies that concluded that sugary beverages have no adverse health effects.

@lananiella

Жыл бұрын

I am trans myself and heartily support the LGBTQ community, but prior to viewing this wonderful thoughtful educational video, I was also of the opinion that this was an unfair practice. Bless you for your no-nonsense fact based analysis that presented all sides without bias or sensationalism. Knowledge is power. I just wish more people sought after wisdom and acquiring knowledge rather than having knee-jerk reactions by listening to social media disinformation, their feelings or unquestioningly following the crowd. What a wonderful world it would be.

@gwen9939

Жыл бұрын

@@seth7745 Not all studies follow american practices that can lobby and pay off results to their liking. There is an international scientific community where this kind of practice simply doesn't work. We also have far more transparency with the scientific community today, so while your extremely common knowledge examples from over 50 years ago are examples of one kind of practice that does not mean that practice is a universal concern in an internet age where peer reviews, conflicts of interest, money trails, credibility of scholars, universities and institutions, are under constant scrutiny from anyone with an internet connection. "That being said", studies on top trans athletes in particular might be quite small, studies on the effects hormones have on muscle atrophy and or muscle increase, on the performance of top athletes with invisible intersex conditions, on the sexually dymorphic traits that influence competitive advantages, how prominent they are, and to what extent trans people carry them, are better documented, at least to a point where we can have a much more informed opinion on the issue even if we don't reach a definitive consensus. And keep in mind, the tobacco industry and Coca-Cola directly benefitted from these studies being published which is why the studies are directly related to what they are selling. Who exactly would benefit financially from trans people being allowed to compete in sports? I gotta be honest, I've yet to hear a person bring up "big money" being involved in regards to trans people being treated fairly and equally in society that didn't end in "the jewish question".

"So maybe the solution is in the end we all just do eSports." I CAN'T

@petelee2477

Жыл бұрын

Hey I've seen impressive things in evo

@KhukuriGod

Жыл бұрын

Too bad men dominate e-sports as well, and no amount of screaming about "patriarchy" is going to change it that much.

@69Satan69

Жыл бұрын

@@KhukuriGod Its a joke calm dowm

@huyvuminh1048

Жыл бұрын

@@KhukuriGod yeah but in many fighting games there are woman who consistencely in top 16. Its just that gaming events/ online evironment is generally toxic for woman so I think that I also why woman are less likely to participate in them

@Gigalisk

Жыл бұрын

She legit had me waiting for her chuckle. It never came.

would have been good to have a look at safety issues in contact sports. international rugby did quite comprehensive research into the safety of those who haven't gone through male puberty, playing with/against those who have, and there was about a 30% increase in injuries, including concussions. given that we are learning more and more about the very serious and long term affects of concussion, it seems extremely irresponsible to allow women who haven't undergone male puberty to be put at increased risk.

I agree with your point and thus we talk about whatever you get from birth is considered fair. But any amount of drugs to alter it is not considered fair.

I never got the fairness argument. If we are to say, “Sports is unfair anyways, why try to make it fair now?” then why not remove the division between men and women’s sports completely? The reason for the separation in the first place is because we acknowledge the physical advantages men have over women. But if you’re going to accept these and still go on with it, then why limit it to trans athletes?

@woolfie8766

Жыл бұрын

I mean there’s no reason to keep a division. Sure there will be a lopsided representation of men over women but since it’s purely competition, no reason not to allocate athletes to divisions purely by performance. Un-ironically many sports SHOULD remove gender divison

@boredom2go

Жыл бұрын

@@woolfie8766 There is no gender division. There is no such thing as a men's sports. Leagues that are mostly or all men are open to women. The problem is that women can rarely compete at the level men do, so the leagues appear to be men's leagues. Women's leagues were started because women wanted to play and compete in sports too. Allowing men to compete in women's leagues takes us back to a time when women will simply not do sports. That is unacceptable.

@WalkingTravisty

Жыл бұрын

@@woolfie8766 I don't think you appreciate just how lopsided such representation would be. Sports would be *dominated* by men. Many elite female athletes will lose against teenage boys. Celebration of female athletic excellence would be almost impossible. Women and girls who love sports would have to accept they would likely never be able to properly compete. What a tragic, misogynistic world that would be.

@hanjoyitsu1414

Жыл бұрын

@@boredom2go Dude. thats called gender division. you said yourself..."The problem is that women can rarely compete at the level men do, so the leagues appear to be men's leagues." if gender division is not a thing, women and men can compete in the same match. I still dont get what you are trying to say. From what i understand is that you dont see the "division" because 'hey, women can play that sports too. just like the men. so there really is no gender *division*'. I think what you are trying to prove is the fact there is a *representation* of women in the sport that is "fair". not about the gender division topic..

@boredom2go

Жыл бұрын

@@hanjoyitsu1414 I'm saying that the leagues that men compete in are already open to any gender. There's no need to create some combined leagues because they already exist. Women's leagues were created because either women compete only with other biological females or they don't compete at all. Women's sports should be off limits to transgender women (biological males).

In martial arts it is axiomatic that a good, large fighter will defeat a good small fighter. There are exceptions, but this is exactly the reason there are weight classes in these sports-- they create a level of fairness. And I won't get into how the gambling aspect helps drive this system.

@amorfo9127

Жыл бұрын

Yeah...trying to blunder the meaning of "fair" it wasn't a solid argument...first time I caught her on a slopy point though, usually solid as rock.

@arturintete2461

Жыл бұрын

“create a level of fairness” that doesn’t mean it’s fair. It just means it’s more fair. Not to mention this same logic doesn’t apply to every sport.

@arturintete2461

Жыл бұрын

@@amorfo9127 nah, it definitely was completely logical. It’s an undeniable fact that athletic competitions are heavily impacted by your genetic makeup. do you really think splitting competitions between male and female makes it fair? She already listed every variable and difference. feel free to try to argue against it 😂

@erseshe

Жыл бұрын

@@arturintete2461 The same logic applies to all sports. It's not fun to watch a 2000 elo play against a 400 elo chess player past the first few rounds. It's not fun to watch the world's most athletic men compete against the world's most athletic women.

@arturintete2461

Жыл бұрын

@@erseshe no, it doesn’t. Because not every sport separates people in the same way, lmao.

That’s the first video on the topic that is actually informative instead of sectarian. It’s so refreshing to see a well-informed opinion based in science and context. Thumbs up 👍

@wyattmonk215

8 ай бұрын

For real

See a lot of male transition to female in sports, but never seen the opposite. Would be interested in the results of such competition.

@annal2740

8 ай бұрын

It's almost as if we all know what the result would be.

@Lorvina1

6 ай бұрын

Shhh, we must pretend that it doesn't matter.

@tomgunn248

3 ай бұрын

A lot? How many is a lot? 250? A good number of things to be able to see a statistically valid result is n=1500. When n=250, the stats tell you nothing reliable. When n=3, you are exploring your bias.

@mercury3352

18 күн бұрын

Patricio Manuel a trans man has a 3-1 win ratio so pretty well so far it seems

@TheTonic009

2 күн бұрын

where?

You had me laughing at, " They're really more like ... freak shows. Kind of like physics conferences."

@bsanders1

Жыл бұрын

She recovered from the 'freak show' comment with the 'physics conferences' comparison. I wonder why athletic competitions are more interesting freak shows? Hmm...

@bcwbcw3741

Жыл бұрын

It's not fair, at every physics conference I've been to there's someone smarter than me and at every basketball game, many people way taller and somehow they're hardly ever trans. (though not always, that said, my basketball, swimming, and running careers were not derailed by trans people.)

@LeMotMista

Жыл бұрын

That line of Sabine's got a spontaneous fist-pump from me! Then I had an urge to check the physics conference photo to she whether she was in it…😜

@91splamy

Жыл бұрын

I loved the Meghan trainor “all the right junk in all the right places” line

@muffinconsumer4431

Жыл бұрын

@@bcwbcw3741 So what you’re saying is… the true question is why aren’t we segregating physics conferences by sex???

“They’re really more like freak shows, kind of like physics conferences.” Lol!!!! Great presentation.

@jamesdriscoll_tmp1515

Жыл бұрын

I lol

@souplife1

Жыл бұрын

11:16 context for those curious like me, she's talking about how professional athletes already represent the best of the best and can't be considered representative of the rest of the population.

@chriskennedy2846

Жыл бұрын

That's right. And if in reality I was a Chemical Engineer, Structural Engineer or some other scientist who actually worked for a living, but insisted on admission into the Physics conference because I "identified" as a Physicist, then I could increase my chances of consideration if I took enough cognitive suppressing drugs that allowed me to share in the wonderful joy of string theory, supersymmetry and all of the other topics presented at the average conference.

@andrewharrison8436

Жыл бұрын

I knew someone would get this comment in before me - Sabine excelling herself (again).

@LongcatRevolution

Жыл бұрын

"Woah woah woah, you used to say you were a Chemical Engineer but through years of hard work and persistence in study, you now have a paper certifying from the experts of your higher learning institution that you have a degree in physics and you want to be let in and treated like a Physicist since accredited experts say you are one? Nice try, Chemical Engineer. Maybe in another life" - physics conference people *and _certain other folks_

The person who comes in last but actually won after all the biological/chemistry is run through the computer.Loved that one.😂

Severly disagree with the Fairness part of the video. It's one thing to be randomly seated somewhere on a Bell curve or to compare two entirely different bell curves. The tallness argument is the best proove for that. The exact same male teams will have similar differences between teams..but 10-20cm above their female counterparts....

"They're freak shows. Kind of like physics conferences" that is pretty much spot on. There's no better argument for Borg infiltration than attending a large conference.

@trumanburbank6899

Жыл бұрын

Ya, that was hilarious.

@SaraGirao

Жыл бұрын

This statement was hands down the best! 😆😆

@watcher8582

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean, why would the Borg help?

@LordTelperion

Жыл бұрын

@@watcher8582 I think he means "take me now, make it stop", lol.

@metatechnologist

Жыл бұрын

Really though, aren't conferences actually dating forums for scientists now??

Thank you for offering such a fair and unbiased look at the issue. As a transperson I cannot tell you how sick I am of everything trans-related being political or pushed with an agenda one way or the other. Please keep making great content, bringing facts, and offering many angles; It is refreshing.

@harpwolfe3471

Жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. It's also really condescending to be told to not talk about politics as much or to watch less news as a trans person when everyone is out here making our very existence political -_- Edit: Not trying to make, /are/ making *

@michaelturner7641

Жыл бұрын

it's really not an issue either You're a man or you're a woman It's pretty simple

@thewiirocks

Жыл бұрын

I think we’re all sick of the politics. I personally feel like we could have had a reasonable discussion about this as a society, taking into account the challenges of natural advantage balanced against the feeling of the individuals. There’s probably no perfect solution, but we could keep trying to make it better with time. Instead, it has been politicized with one side saying you must accept it without question and the other side predictably reacting to try and prevent all of it under concerns like unfair advantage. Both sides are ignoring the science, resulting is a lot of improper transitions (causing serious harm in society) while further stigmatizing those with actual physiological needs from the other end. It really is the extremes that are killing us.

@juiceoverflow

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelturner7641 pretty sure you mean people have either male or female genitals but can express themselves externally in a large amount of ways that don't conform to your backwards worldviews

@Hero_Girl

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelturner7641 It's actually not that simple unfortunately. Some people don't identify as male OR female. They're known as "Non-Binary" and might prefer an "X" gender marker on their ID. They don't generally look like boys or girls, but something in between. They feel uncomfortable using men's AND women's restrooms, and probably wouldn't feel comfortable competing on Men's OR Women's sports teams. They're the only reason we need a third bathroom or a third sports league; for the nonbinary individuals who don't want to be viewed as male or female. 🙃

Before I went on HRT I tried to see how many pushups I could do. My sedentary ass could do 10. Now I'm 6 months on T, and I could do 20. I'm still a sendentary ass obviously. But it kinda surprised me, cuz it had never been easy for me to do 20 pushups, even back in my weird gym bro phase

@diegogustavomonroysalazar6946

9 ай бұрын

Bro I’m 24 pre Hrt (MtF) and I can only do 11💀

@sjb3460

4 ай бұрын

Why can't you do a pushup? I was 32 when I went to US Army basic training in Jan of 1982. I started training for my enlistment and was in much better shape than others were. I was 5'7" and weighed 130 lbs. At the end of USArmy Basic Training I was able to do 67 pushups in 2 minutes, 69 situps in 2 minutes and run 2 miles in 13.2 minutes. 20 years later, at age 50, I could equal the same scores. At age 34, I went to USArmy Parachute school. I saw Marines get run off. I saw men that were age 18 - 30 drop out of runs that were very challenging. At parachute training school, 5 women got their wings. They weren't men transitioning to female. They were petite, small girls. There is no reason a man cannot do a pushup. If you are willing to train, you can do it. Your mind is your biggest enemy. I was never an athlete. In school, I was always the last one picked. I couldn't run fast, I couldn't throw a ball, and I couldn't get a basketball into the basket. What happened? What was different at Airborne School? I decided I was a winner. Nothing was going to stop me. Attitude is the key.

@MD-kv9zo

15 күн бұрын

I just came here to flex on you specifically. I can casually do 20 push-ups no drugs after not doing it for weeks. To be fair I'm a short teen but still.

This is the simplest problem to solve. In drag racing, one fellow (who can afford it) buys a custom aluminum block engine and plops it into an aluminum tube frame, then tacks on a supercharger and runs it on an alcohol blend. While the next guy just tunes his old Chevy to top condition. The first is a much faster car, maybe crosses the quarter in 8.3 seconds, while the Chevy takes 14. So... you give the Chevy a 5.7 second head start. Theoretically, they will cross at the same time. Any difference is the skill of the driver. But if you cross faster than your claimed time (8.3, 12) then you were "sand bagging" during time trials. You were cheating. To cross faster than the claimed ability of your car disqualifies you, and the other car wins. In this way men, women, trans, whatever can all compete on an even playing field. It would work very well for most track and field, swimming, and some other sports. But not quite so well for baseball, football, futbol, etc...

@eeeaten

7 ай бұрын

???? when do you apply these categories and when do you not. does usain bolt start 5m back?

@ThePeaceableKingdom

7 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten😁Lol! 😄 But yeah, that's basically how bracket racing works. At a typical NHRA event (National Hot Rod Association) there are several brackets: the fastest cars, the rather fast cars, the souped up street cars, etc. They race against each other just as I described. The big money goes to the winner of the first bracket, the fastest cars; lesser payouts to the other brackets. But I attended a race on a holiday eve when most people (even car nuts) were home with their families instead of racing. There were only two brackets: the really fast and moderately fast cars made bracket one, and a few street cars just in it for fun made bracket two. For the final race, one of the two fastest cars developed a problem so they had to bump up the fastest bracket two street car to race him, some kid in his mother's sedan. He got his green light and took off and the fast car had to wait till he was about 20 yards from the finish for the fast car to get his green light. He popped his clutch and twisted his drive shaft and was stranded on the starting line. That night, the kid in his mother's sedan won the big money!

@eeeaten

7 ай бұрын

@@ThePeaceableKingdom yeah I get it, I just don’t see an appetite for it in elite sports

@ThePeaceableKingdom

7 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten And Motor Sports aren't elite? Naw, just kidding. Drag Racing is kinda nerdy, where fans want to talk about alcohol versus nitro, or injection versus carburetors, etc. But the flash points for "trans in sports" isn't elite sports either. It's High School track and field and college swimming and such. In elite sports, in professional sports - the team sort - it's all about ability. There is no "Men's NFL" there's just the NFL. It's down at the local high school where we're invited to take a large draught of a cup of outrage about "some wannabe girl" competing unfairly against "real girls," etc. That's a problem easily solved without insult or unfairness.

When I first read the title, I thought to myself “oh no, is she really gonna go there?!” I’m sure glad you did! I’ve never seen this topic tackled in such an objective and multidimensional manner and I commend you for doing so.

@althepalno1164

Жыл бұрын

Me too! Another really good video.

@thequantumnexus4270

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It's a "hot topic," but a valid question to ask and discuss. And science should be able to ask the uncomfortable of questions and look at them in an objective way. Although it may be a hallmark of transphobia, I believe it isn't transphobic to discuss how trans people in sports should work, or in prisons. And this was a good discussion of those issues, without being bogged down with feelings.

@AndreAngelantoni

Жыл бұрын

Obliterating the gender divide after decades of hard work giving women a fair way to play is objective?

@beatenplastic

Жыл бұрын

I was also worried! But I thought this was very well done

@allisongross2946

Жыл бұрын

I feel like this creator is interested in a purely rationalistic approach. Such an approach seems to support the basic tenets of trans rights.

"sports has never been about fairness, it's always been a freak show" Golden quote.

@mikeemery6741

Жыл бұрын

"kind of like physics conferences" lol @ Sabine

@rishidharan6294

Жыл бұрын

There's a reason we don't have Gladiator arenas

@boggisthecat

Жыл бұрын

Sure. So we should exclude biological women from the “freak show”? If a heavy-weight boxer identifies as a lighter weight class, then he (or she, possibly...) should be allowed to knock around actual lighter boxers? Excluding them from competition would be cruel, and mis-weight-classing them is surely a ‘cancellable’ offence. Maybe the well-meaning / clout-chasing people pushing for trans-gender inclusion in areas where physical reality suggests it isn’t justifiable should be thinking about why they’re willing to dive over this cliff. The point is that people should be ‘allowed’ to have a self-identification that they feel comfortable with, and others should acknowledge that they have this right by virtue of being a person. It shouldn’t become a niche fight over - in essence - massive drug-cheating being allowed because otherwise a very tiny minority will be sad.

@marcy3496

Жыл бұрын

​@@boggisthecat "If a heavy-weight boxer identifies as a lighter weight class" This is where your line of thinking fundamentally falls apart. Weight is not an indentity, its not something you can EXPRESS. Its a physical property Sex, like weight,is a physical property that exists on a spectrum: male, intersex, and female. It is comprised of several components including hormones, chromosomes, genitalia, and secondary sex characteristics. Gender is the EXPRESSION of these physical properties. Someone who is trans, such as myself, does not identify with the gender expression that they were assigned at birth. My birth gender was man and my birth sex was male. I now identify as a woman. Here's where it gets important: sex, like weight, can be CHANGED over time via biological conditioning. For weight its excercise and diet. Trans people often make efforts to change the components of sex that I mentioned above, specifcally hormones, secondary sex characteristics, and on occasion even genitalia. Sure its not everything, but the sex has CHANGED. A trans person who desires to and can make the change is biologically different from what they were born as, even if not in every single way. My sex is now changing to female. The crux of the problem is two-fold. FIRST: Sports are not a measure of identity but a measure of biological disparity, as Sabine made clear with the above quote. The best athletes are at the top of the mountain BECAUSE they are at a biological advantage. Even cis women who are higher in strength based sports are technically at an advantage because they have sex characteristics such as hormones or chromosomes of a different sex. They were born with that. That is the issue with sports as a whole, they are not fair and will likely not survive in their current segregated form as we acknowledge more and more the wide array of biological differences between all humans. SECOND: The person you are describing is just a liar. They can identify as someone who is on a diet, but until that diet kicks in they will not have changed their weight from heavy to light. This is not how trans people think. Even in the video its acknowledged that any laws allowing for the inclusion of trans people would require that they be two years into their SEX CHANGE. A transition is never immediate. Its gradual and requires time before it properly sets in. Obv society becomes uncomfortanble during the transitory period (which is itself an issue) but many trans people have the self-awarness to wait until they are far enough along to start doing things like sports in their gender identity.

@Musesamuse

Жыл бұрын

The ‘freak show’ argument doesn’t hold because at the highest competitive levels freak show males will still beat freak show females on average, so it isn’t fair to have them compete with one another. Sabine seems to have no experience or empathy with athletes who work their asses off throughout their youth to reach the highest levels. Why should female athletes just make way for males, after all that work?

I'm glad she mentioned the fact that competitive athletes have a variety of physiological advantages over the rest of us. That's why they became athletes and why they win.

@AntonAdelson

10 ай бұрын

Yes, born advantages. Not surgery or drug advantages...

@mmmmmmkatata

9 ай бұрын

​@@AntonAdelsonWhat you say is objectively false. There are countless men who take anabolic stereoids so they can outperform their peers

@AntonAdelson

9 ай бұрын

@@mmmmmmkatata Which is against the rules and gets them banned from competitions. Exactly! Thank you for supporting my point!

@Adam-nw1vy

9 ай бұрын

@@AntonAdelson I've just realized that you're trying to say trans women are getting an unfair advantage from taking hormones, which is not true. They're LOSING some of the advantage that they were born with, but not enough to become on par with cis women. It's the opposite of something like doping. Therefore, any advantage that they have is a born advantage.

@randall1715

8 ай бұрын

I have to disagree with you. Being a former athlete and nation coach in both men and women's sports you've put too much too much value on genetics. The greater component is epigenetics, in other words environmental expression. Bolt as an example, defied the physics, but you have to understand the physics of sprinting to understand thar. Steve Prefontaine is another example, too short, but became a world class middle long distance runner. Cultures that live at higher elevations develop larger lung capacity, not because of genes, but because of environment. Then why is it some coaches produce more elite athletes than others? Why do some coaches bring home more championships than others. This is not a simple topic, it is very complex. As for the transgender competition goes, you can throw all the studies etc out there you want, but the reality is a trans women can't compete against men, and women cannot compete against trans women. I have coach both elite men and women, but I have yet to coach an elite woman athlete that could compete against elite men. Trust me I would love to be the coach who did it. Did you see the USA national women's soccer team play against a U15 boys team? Women got killed by these boys. I have done the battle of the sexes as a coach, U13 girls vs U13 boys. both at the state level. My girls team beat the boys 3 -0. I knew this would be the results, before stepping on the field, why? 1) Girls were well into puberty and where bigger than the boys as the boys hadn't hit puberty yet. 2) the girls had it mentally together more than the boys. Had we did this with u15 girls and against u15 boys, we would not have stood a chance. The is evidence based science that Sabine, who is awesome, misses the boat on this one!!

To be fair, I would love to see professional basketball with different height groups. Not only would that allow for shorter men/women to compete professionally, but it would also be quite refreshing, since different height teams would have to utilize very different techniques.

@leojanuszewski1019

Жыл бұрын

I wanna see Lebron James identify as female and go play in the WNBA. 😆

@smokexsmoke99

Жыл бұрын

The “transgender women should have their separate sports” argument always strikes me as a rehash of the “separate but equal” doctrine from the segregation era. “White people feel uncomfortable sharing a restaurant with black people! Why do you demand to be let into the white restaurant when there’s a perfectly good black restaurant down the street?”

@rinrin4711

Жыл бұрын

@@smokexsmoke99, except here it's not about "comfort", bot fairness.

@mikesarno7973

Жыл бұрын

In college, there were under-6' intramural basketball leagues. I enjoyed being able to play against people who did not tower over me.

@IRex-wm9pd

Жыл бұрын

Muggsy Bogues disagrees.

"... too many opportunities for unethical behavior..." is exactly why pro sports will still exist.

@baardkopperud

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps... But the money in pro sports comes from people willing to watch it (and their ads), so if most people turns their back on it because it's just about what rich people/teams bought/developed the most extreme gene modification, the money incentive will be gone. Still people want to be entertained, so perhaps either a shift towards blood/death/gladiator things (humans are humans), or things like driverless motor sport (no driver, so no genetic enhancement - just best motor, sensor, and programming/AI).

@Lightning_Lance

Жыл бұрын

@@baardkopperud I think most people would complain but still watch it.

@TheRealFlenuan

Жыл бұрын

@@baardkopperud What evidence is there that people would actually do that? Or are you just projecting what you see as an ideal world?

@danielbergmann7353

Жыл бұрын

Also sports will always be part of our society because it is part of our human nature in so many ways. And since we love to optimize and earn money (love /need) there will always be the road to professiinalism

@baardkopperud

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealFlenuan I suppose it'll depend on why you follow sports... For the acheivments? Gone! It's about who could afford the best mods. Because you dream it could be you out there, or remembering how you almost made it as a youth? Nope! Anybody good were moded, injected and trained from before birth. Rooting for the underdog? No such thing anymore! Celebrating human acheivment and endurence? No! ...Unless you mean our ability to tamper with genes &c. Sure there are many other reasons to follow sport, but I do think they'd loose many - if not most - viewers.

Ok, Sabine never dissapoints, she can take the hardest topic and presented a really fair point like it is easy

@Dadofer1970

8 ай бұрын

Too bad that so many people just wanted her to agree with what they already think. Thus, the anti-trans crew comes out and says she is biased and unscientific - solely because she did not say "it's unfair and should not be allowed" (in other words, they wanted her to present only the science that reflects their opinion and then claim the science agrees fully with their opinion). But like so many things it is much more difficult. Science can tell us the physical aspects of the situation, but it is silent on philosophical aspects. Clearly, it is true that sports has favored those with various advantages. What humans have had to do is come to some agreement about which of those are "fair" and which are "unfair". So, we have men's and women's categories for most sports. We have weight classes for many sports. In horseracing we even add weight if a jockey is too light. At the same time, we have also barred things when they are widely considered to break the idea of "fairness" (be it a spitball or a PED). There has also been plenty of argument about what should and should not have been allowed in those other cases. The same debate is occurring here. That debate will be informed by science but can't be resolved by science.

@chard243

8 ай бұрын

not really, this is out of her area of expertise. She's cherry picking "science". Most modern studies with larger number of partipants clearly show hormone therapy is inadequate. Males still maintain denser bones, greater lung volume, jump higher, stronger, run faster...

@Dadofer1970

8 ай бұрын

@@sethtenrec Good for you that you can see your problem.

@sethtenrec

8 ай бұрын

@@Dadofer1970 your reference to the “anti-trans crew”, are you referring to people opposed to former men who want to compete as women? And use women’s bathrooms? Sabine definitely falls into the common sense category when she says the IOC is correct in preventing these adults who suddenly feel like a different gender from competing in women’s sports.

@Dadofer1970

8 ай бұрын

@@sethtenrec I was very clear about who I was referring to. She didn't actually say that that she agreed with the IOC rules. Instead, she launched into a discussion of how nothing in sports is really "fair". I explicitly stated that I was talking about people who are attacking her for NOT saying what you claim she said. FYI, she also did not say that the IOC is "preventing these adults who suddenly feel like a different gender from competing in women’s sports." She stated the opposite, that the IOC has chosen to let trans women do so in various situations. Personally, I tend to disagree with letting trans women compete against cis women in most situations. It breaks my idea of what is "fair". I realize that it is not a case of someone "suddenly feeling like a different gender", but the way I see it the physical aspects do go against the entire point of having women's categories in the first place.

Regarding individual advantages in sports competitions, it is important to highlight that individuals are born with their advantages. If they alter their natural bodies, that is considered doping. Therefore, the main difference between an individual with natural advantages and a transgender individual is that the transgender individual is artificially changing their natural body. In this case, if we start defending differences and advantages, if transgender individuals are allowed to undergo doping (hormonal treatments), non-transgender people should be allowed to as well.

I was initially worried about how this video would shake out, but it was remarkably clear headed and dignified to all! I should have known that ultimately Sabine would end by completely dunking on professional athleticism entirely.

@jcon2060

Жыл бұрын

What? You're not even qualified to understand the pubs yet you're confident in your understanding of the validity of the peer review??

@mahmutcankaya3321

Жыл бұрын

​@@kathleenpearson-dh9od Those are entirely different moral questions. We are here to talk about the science, at least Sabrına is. What you are doing is shaming another person for not entertaining a personel belief on a science video, which I think is indefensable. I would be happy to discuss why the beliefs you hold are bigoted however. I am not a scientist (though I am a med student) so discussing morality is more in my wheelhouse.

@jogennotsuki

Жыл бұрын

@@kathleenpearson-dh9od Kathleen - take a fucking chill pill.

@MrGriff305

Жыл бұрын

Why were you worried? Were you worried she'd state the obvious?

@MrGriff305

Жыл бұрын

@@kathleenpearson-dh9od Nope. Not really. I guess this video ultimately justified natural males competing in female sports, which is what most people were hoping for to avoid being offended.

The part at the end about how sports would incentivize unethical behavior brings to mind the Futurama episode where Lela tells fry about the time that steroids became mandatory for all Blernsball players to make the game fair.

@MisterNiles

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that essentially the case now? I've heard that in many sports you can't be competitive unless you are taking steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. And none of our current pro sports even have "multi ball mode". As far as I know.

@fishstyx5028

Жыл бұрын

the steroids thing is tame compared to genetically modifying babies to maximize athletic output, but we're likely to be dealing with that in all aspects of life if it's not heavily regulated :(

@Josh1OD

Жыл бұрын

Lol!

I loved this video. Ty for pointing out that sports have never been ethical and fair. That being said I think it is a far bigger problem that the women on that swim team have no choice but to share the female only locker room and showers with a penis having human. That has got to be extremely uncomfortable and unpleasant for all of them.

@eeeaten

8 ай бұрын

whether someone shares a locker room or not is a distraction from the core issue of whether it's fair for them to compete.

Arguments of some people that sport in general is unfair because for example some women are taller than others, therefore, they have advantage in playing basketball makes no sense. It's only natural and normal that within a sex category (male or female) obviously the people with the best physical attributes for a given sport will participate in it. Tall women will play basketball etc, short women might go into figure ice skating etc.The issue comes when we have a group of the best female athletes, both when in comes to a talent and innate physical attributes necessary to perform best in a given discipline, so we cannot actually find anyone better in the female category, and then comes someone whose only talent was being born male. All female basketball players will be tall and female, but one can be as tall and male. And this is what makes it unfair.

@theshadowsroses

5 күн бұрын

"All female basketball players will be tall and female, but one can be as tall and male" and what does it matter? In that case "male" means you have another power, being genetically stronger what is an advantage just like "a tall woman". So the Person would have simply two advantages, being a Woman that is tall and genetically stronger. It is not the Gender that is the problem, it is the genetically advantage the Transwoman has then. But that doesn't make her less of a Woman. Just a double strong Woman. Therefore Sports should be devided by abilities and advantages, that take the biological sex obviously in account. But the Biological Sex has not to do with what Gender the Person is. It just shouldn't be called Women Sports or Men Sports, if it excludes Transpeople. They should just say Sports or use Terms that refer to the Genetically Advantages and Abilities. But thats "difficult" and "complicated" so people rather refer to it as Women and Men Sports, even if it excludes Men or Women with different Biological Advantages. There are alot of Ciswomen that are Tall and just as strong as a man, that have the two advantages then. But then it would be fine? As already said, Sports should be seperated by abilities, not gender.

I thought the random Meghan Trainor lyric would be the highlight of this video, but then there came: "Athletes are biological extremes. Fairness has never been the point of these competitions. They're really more like freak shows. Kind of like physics conferences, basically." 😆

@dansfrance188

Жыл бұрын

This quote is so degrading to people who put in hard work and determination. And also degrades the people who lose... As though winning is the only reason we have sports. A tall lazy man always loses to a short hardworking one. The people who think trans people can compete don't even watch sports.

@vladimirrodionov5391

Жыл бұрын

@@dansfrance188 There are no lazy tall athletes at elite level. They are competing with other motivated abnormally tall athletes. The short person has no place there no matter how hard he/she trains.

@66Kusmu

Жыл бұрын

@@dansfrance188 a lazy female trans athlete also loses to the hardworking female cis athlete

@notaskaven964

Жыл бұрын

​@@dansfrance188 why do you think trans people can't compete? Does the transgender particle stop them from being able to pick up a ball or something?

@abelgonzales3695

Жыл бұрын

@@66Kusmu Us women’s Olympic soccer champions lost to 15 and under boys. Same with the Australian women’s Olympic soccer team. They lost to 14 year old boys. Trans men have an unfair advantage on women when it comes to physical sports. That’s why you don’t have any examples of transitioned women to men in male sports.

You think that pro sports will disappear due to high incentives for unethical behavior? I admire your optimism. Personally, I think we're much more likely to increase unethical behavior than get rid of sports.

@oscarstaszky1960

Жыл бұрын

perhaps it all boils down to people just wanting to enjoy the thrill of overcoming or outcompeting each other without any care for the methods or ethics involved therein...

@BooksAndShitButNotLiterally

Жыл бұрын

Being trans is unethical?

@JustinShaedo

Жыл бұрын

The definition is professional is to get paid for the activity. The idea is that the money gets removed from the equation. But yes, agreed, I can't see prof sports going away in the foreseeable future.

@user-bl2vr9jj2z

Жыл бұрын

@@BooksAndShitButNotLiterally did u even watch the video…?

@BooksAndShitButNotLiterally

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bl2vr9jj2z Some of it.

So in short: no it's not fair, but who cares? If I were an athlete I would care very much if my competitors had an inherent advantage over me. Even if that will always be the case we should still try to preserve the integrity of fair and meaningful competition

@pseudonamed

11 ай бұрын

yeah it's a bit dismissive to say that since it can never be TOTALLY fair then who cares if becomes even more unfair

@8BitCyberWarrior

11 ай бұрын

@@pseudonamed Exactly. Just because we can't technically measure how big of a difference something makes doesn't mean it's difficult or irrelevant to understand it's real implications. I could care less about competitive sports, I honestly think they are a waste of time and not enjoyable to watch. However, I very much respect the integrity of that hobby/career choice, and I support the idea of regulation and fair competition, at the full (if admittedly imperfect) discretion of participants and/or their elected representatives. The same goes for government and all aspects of human society. Just because math and science cant definitively give us all the answers doesn't mean we should stop caring and ignore people who have enough experience in the real world to determine the implications of a variable

@AlinaTowers

6 ай бұрын

We should care if we womens sports records are going to become in achievable to women.

@michaelccozens

4 ай бұрын

@@AlinaTowers Trans women have been competing for decades. Has that happened? How did you miss so obvious a question, unless you wanted to?

@michaelccozens

4 ай бұрын

You're missing the fact that trans women have been competing in sport for decades, and there's been no "takeover" or anything remotely like it. You seem to think trans women just appeared when you deigned to notice them. Why? Frankly, your arguments are much more akin to those used by people who sought to keep Black athletes out of "white" sport than anything else.

I have to disagree with the assertion that competition and sports are inherently unfair. The entire point of any competitive setting is to have as fair of a playing field as possible hence why certain things that give a distinct and notable advantage that involves outside interference such as steroids are often banned in sports. If we were to follow the premise that all competition is inherently unfair because of every tiny difference that exists such as someone's leg being half a cm longer than many other competitors, then at that point there's nothing to stop us from simply throwing out any and all segregation of sports entirely. Many people simply don't like theat idea because they prefer having sprcific spaces for men and for women. Ignoring that though, removing said segregation also causes issues such as males becoming dominant in most sports to the point that females simply don't get to compete. Also, from the entertainment perspective it's arguable that said division actually increases entertainment value to viewers, as creating a close competition is what makes viewing spirting events engaging. That's specifically why most often combat sports have weight classes, for example.

@Ballacha

9 ай бұрын

let's see what "fairness" has led us, shall we? go take 2 seconds to google "David Simon" and how he was banned from korean basketball league for simply being "too tall". yup. his got banned for his genetic predisposition of growing longer bones. do you think that's fair? no? then why do you think it's fair to ban people who are genetic predisposed to grow more muscles, aka men transitioning to women? why do you draw the arbitrary line there? a bit double standards don't you think? or maybe you think that IS fair. then that means all the other 99.9% of world's sports codes who don't have genetic restrictions are unfair, correct? have you ever voiced your concern about any of those? or did you just decide to have an opinion when your completely arbitrary line was stepped on?

@dutchmilk

5 ай бұрын

It is inherently unfair because there will always be one on top where one has the superior genetic that allows said one to dominate physically or perform as an outlier. Rules and regulation are created so that people can compete fairly as much as possible in other factors like tactic and skills than physical advantages. When she said it is unfair, it means sports are competed by a group of outliers where the physical gaps between are much closer than "mere mortals".

@karatekid7640

16 күн бұрын

Indeed, while Sabine's argument is well researched and eye opening there's still at least one point she missed that is what women's sports do for women liberalisation. It was started specially for this purpose and had a great effect in opening space for women in sports and other places. Perhaps that's not entirely evident to her given Western countries progress in the area but it is still relevant in most developing countries especially India where it has a massive impact in feminist movement...

@jobicek

4 күн бұрын

It is inherently unfair as, at the very least, genetics play a role and it's not your fault that your body has less of a potential. In one sport, being very big and muscular might be an advantage, in another being light and slim might be an advantage. But it's not meant to be fair. The whole point is to determine who is better at it. Whether they got there through hard work or sheer luck. And in the case of professionals, the whole point is to entertain people and sell them products. When it comes to banning, you want to ban things that are bad. Because we know people will do bad things if you reward them for it. We wouldn't have to ban doping if it was perfectly safe. Of course, it can get more complicated and you might have rules meant to decrease cost of competition, but that's not really the case for athletics. Division doesn't make competition closer. It allows you to have more competition. The other divisions typically feature people who would never make it in an unlimited division. Essentially, it's like having more disciplines. You have more competition, more winners. Of course, they're not going to be equally popular.

@jobicek

4 күн бұрын

@@karatekid7640 The funny thing is why. Men compete to attract women. That's a huge motivator. Women seem to compete just to prove they can do it as well, so they don't feel inferior. A very different game. But history is full of examples of women wanting what men had. Even something as feminine as high-heeled shoes were originally made for men.

This is probably the most honest and well researched take on this issue, thanks for taking the effort to clear things out

@allijnera

Жыл бұрын

@OGSF exactly i wanna see some cyberpunk shit like adam smasher competing in the olympics

@josephcunningham5482

Жыл бұрын

No completely solar panels can be placed in area like water canals that would help with algae growth without disturbing land also solar can work with distribution verses Transission and battery storage like Hopedale Australia has proven the concept while also showing how batteries have helped during g peak operation instead of starting up a peaked plant which is vastly expensive saving the customers money united Arab emeritus use solar for pumping gas at 5 cents a kilowatt hour and if no sun or wind for 3 days we'll we would have another more to worry about than energy

@thebeatnumber

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but she's a professional LIAR: TWO QUESTIONS THE SABINE HOFFSTEDER AND OTHER LIARS WILL REFUSE TO ANSWER Firstly, if at some point in a physical endeavor, strength becomes a secondary factor to endurance, and women are supposedly able to cope better than men when it comes to physical endurance, why is it that even in extreme endurance events like the Navy Seals Hell Week and Ultra Marathon Runs that men still continue to show significantly higher levels of endurance than women? Why is it that only ONE woman Grace O’Rourke, has ever been recorded in all the history of Hell Week to endure its brutal and punishing physical regimen and practically ALL the most significant endurance records listed in the Guinness Book of World Records are held by men? Secondly, if fairness is essentially a meaningless concept in competitive sporting events, what’s the point of even having rules that punish cheating or doing anything that gives one competitor an unfair advantage over another?

@allijnera

Жыл бұрын

@@thebeatnumber long distance swimming records are all women

@thebeatnumber

Жыл бұрын

@@allijnera That was based on skewed data collected from the Manhattan Island Marathon Swim ( between the years 2009 and 2010). The women in the Manhattan Island Marathon Swim were on average significantly YOUNGER than the men (33.7 versus 41.5 years) In marathon swimming events where men and women are the same age, the men dominate.

Very informative and well-articulated. I especially appreciate the brief coverage of intersex conditions at the start, the philosophical exploration of "fairness" in sporting events at the end, and the humourous bits interspersed throughout. Thank you for making this.

@mcmxxi1172

Жыл бұрын

But it isn’t though it’s the same exact thing every other person says “yes it’s not fair but sometimes life isn’t fair” ignoring the difference between controllable and uncontrollable advantage

@deuscoromat742

Жыл бұрын

It was a low quality compared to what she normally produces. Her conclusion is literally a Nirvana fallacy lol. Her analysis is also lacking a lot of relevant physiological differences between males and females yet she only focuses on males who have undergone "transition" of which the data pool is extraordinarily small while we already know for a fact that muscle insertions, distribution, and bone density stay the same. She, like so many others, is afraid of having her career assassinated by political zealots.

@mcmxxi1172

Жыл бұрын

@@deuscoromat742 EXACTLY !!!!!!

@thomascuriel7611

Жыл бұрын

@Deus Coromat if she would care to be canceled, she doesn't criticize hardly string theory.

@ronaldhunt7617

Жыл бұрын

Intersex people are so rare you may as well say they are statistically zero. The issue is not people being born with female and male parts, it is people who feel they do not have the right parts.

Sabine. Thank you for your sincere research. I appreciate that you on the one hand show empiric data and on the other hand take the ethical aspects into account. Perfect mix.

Kind of related to the frame comparing those basketball teams: different nations have different incentives to athletes, and that also makes a huge difference in the competition (to the point of meaningfulness). Of course there are always specific favorites to win a specific competition, and that changes from time to time. But rich nations will always be the favorite ones against poor nations, yet no one mentions anything about "fairness" in those cases.

@AntonAdelson

10 ай бұрын

Actually I'm a professional coach and that has been discussed for decades now. If you ever watch olympic broadcasts you'll see the commentators mentioning it eventually. For example, that's why everyone roots for Ethiopean runners or Mongolian judoka

@sethtenrec

8 ай бұрын

@@AntonAdelson Ethiopian distance runners are the favorites, not the underdogs lol.

"This is why I suspect a century from now, professional athletics will not exist anymore. It creates too many incentives for unethical behaviour." I agree that competitive athletics create incentives for unethical behaviour but that hasn't stopped anyone yet.

@noxiousophidian9634

Жыл бұрын

And it breed animosity within children and promotes troubling dynamics of power (e.g. bullies get a platform)

@rolisreefranch

Жыл бұрын

It won’t exist because people won’t exist

@ivarbrouwer197

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I find that prediction somewhat unlikely, what will happen though is that records will be reset as they cannot be compared to older ones.

@charlesfowler4308

Жыл бұрын

@@noxiousophidian9634 I don't think anyone is talking about the end of sports in general especially not for kids.

@richdobbs6595

Жыл бұрын

The existence of many incentives for unethical behavior hasn't done that much to get rid of politicians or elite universities.

When I saw the card, I can't say I wasn't concerned. This is something that hits close to home for me. After watching it I have to say this was extremely well done. Thank you for compiling all this data and presenting it as you did.

@mina_en_suiza

Жыл бұрын

I was concerned too, but Sabine did an excellent job. Again.

@hq4287

Жыл бұрын

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@athenachavez8

Жыл бұрын

+++

@vauchomarx6733

Жыл бұрын

++++

@b.6603

Жыл бұрын

Same here. And let's not forget why this topic is hot right now. Because American conservatives, who never cared for woman sports, are creating a moral panic around trans people.

This is brilliant, but also reductive. The issue is more complex. The real crux of the matter has more to do with the cultural phenomenon of athletics as spectacle. It is better analyzed in a philosophical context than a scientific one. Asking the why questions about our relationships to sport. Shifting attitudes cross culturally. And the elephant in the room: the deep underlying fears and bigotries levied upon trans people at the societal level in general. Great info though. The problem is that no matter how much data we possess we are not all perfectly rational agents. A regulatory board can justify its decisions based on scientific studies, but sport is often a function of the masses collective id.

@MilwaukeeWoman

10 күн бұрын

No, it's not about people being trans. It's about preserving opportunity for people born female.

If testosterone is not an issue, why are there females with the intersex condition of Martínez-Patiño overrepresented in sports? They must have an advantage in some way.

This is the best I’ve seen anyone handle this topic on KZread by a long way. Very well handled. Finally have a video I can share with people to help them understand.

@Happy_Zulu

Жыл бұрын

Yeah absolutely. This is such a divisive topic! When I saw the title and thumbnail, I literally thought "Oh f*%k". But this is about as best and as factual as anyone has handled this topic.

@pedroff_1

Жыл бұрын

@@contrabest528 I mean, she did mention there's a ton of variantion in testosterone production in men and women, and she does acknowledge and even cite studies that show post-puberty transition does indeed give and advantage. If there's a significant effect of testosterone exposure in-uterus and that reflects on athletic performance, and that is documented in studies, I do think it'd have been a good idea for her to mention. Would you know any study on this?

@angrydoggy9170

Жыл бұрын

@@contrabest528 Definitely not. Before puberty there’s hardly any difference in muscle and bone structure. That small difference is vastly exceeded by woman with deviating hormonal function.

@jimkennedy4509

Жыл бұрын

Sorry a lot of the “scientific” studies she quotes were written by activists with an agenda. In addition what is a trans athlete? Is it someone who had doped for a could of years? The difference in womens tennis between men and women is huge. Same for soccer. The American womens soccer team was easily beaten by a high school boys club team. Many boys high school track teams beat the woman’s world record for the mile.

@DrZaius3141

Жыл бұрын

@@jimkennedy4509 It's funny how I recognise every single talking point you deliver because it's hatemongering propaganda that has all been debunked for ages. How about you step out of your indoctrination camps and look at reality?

I really appreciate the sources in the comments. So many popular and trusted channels provide no sources which I think is messed up. Its a huge relief to be able to watch your videos and not have to worry about being lied to.

@raykings5244

Жыл бұрын

I get that about other topics but if you need sources to know women get crushed by trans women idk what is going on up there.

@hollisticc

Жыл бұрын

@@raykings5244 that's because that doesn't happen. Hard to find sources about something that doesn't happen. That's like trying to find sources about the dimensions of Santa's house in the North Pole.

@darkness4839

Жыл бұрын

I will never trust anything without a source, so I love this channel.

@Majorfuckinghero

Жыл бұрын

@@hollisticc But it does happen, and it will happen more and more.

@cottoncandycloudsrobloxedits

Жыл бұрын

@@hollisticc wdym it doesn't happen?

My issue with the issue is I don't see why marking a line between who should compete would be based on something non-physical (i.e. one's identity) rather than something physical. It makes as much sense as separating chess competitors by height.

@spugelo359

8 ай бұрын

When it comes to trans athletes it is for 100% physical reasons. Allowing men that want to be called women compete with women is what is happening. You got it completely other way around. Men are being allowed to compete with women for who they are, not because of something physical. Transitioning doesn't undo any of the advantages they had have thanks to puberty.

@dewilew2137

6 ай бұрын

@@spugelo359 you literally just said that it’s 100% for physical reasons, and then you said it’s not physical.

@Randomname254

6 ай бұрын

Since you brought up chess let's be consistent why are transwomen required to undergo gender realignment surgery to compete in women chess? How does having male or female body matter while playing chess?

@dansbike1

2 ай бұрын

How about separating chess competitors by IQ? There is a certain sense of absurdity beginning to creep in here.

@kidzbop38isstraightfire92

8 күн бұрын

It's 100% about physical differences. Trans athletes are physically different than their normal counterparts. A MTF is going to destroy females on average... Just look at Lia Thomas. That is a physical difference.

Your argument about fairness is disingenuous. Athletes are supposed to be the best of the best, sure. The problem is when average dudes beat the best of the best women because of their obvious genetic advantages

Thank you so much calling the Olympics a freak show. You made my day :)

@berniv7375

Жыл бұрын

The same was said about a physics conference.🙂

@sebbonxxsebbon6824

Жыл бұрын

Exceptionally intelligent people is not the normal and you can't raise IQ in anyway but dangerous drugs. You can lower IQ with poor nutrition, etc.

@georgeanthony4834

Жыл бұрын

do you mean the special Olympics??

@Patrik6920

Жыл бұрын

@@berniv7375 ..and so has Astrophysics...

@RyanBlackhawke

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeanthony4834 WTF is wrong with you?

I am very used to seeing videos with titles like this one ending up being statements of opinions with half hearted proofs, and I am very happy to have learned so much in this one! Very comprehensive and truly instructive, thank you for making this topic so understandable !

@RAF71chingachgook

Жыл бұрын

It’s very sad that you think you learned something from her rationalizing and pandering.

@quibble9003

Жыл бұрын

@@RAF71chingachgook shut up karen

@josephcunningham5482

Жыл бұрын

Yes if your certain you are Wright then oh oh possibly an error has occurred

@josephcunningham5482

Жыл бұрын

Life is not fair soon going to be hard for sports to be truly fair as spectators kinda know this already fans still like to watch it is entertaining

@eme.261

Жыл бұрын

@@josephcunningham5482 - Who is "wright"? Are you referring to one of the Wright Brothers-- Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright? 🤔

No one ever talks about the ridiculousness of basketball associations scouting the world for the tallest players and then acting like all is equal on the court.

Simple questions.. Why are there women sports to began with? Why is it considered "cheating" for women to take steroids?

@Tesla_Death_Ray

Күн бұрын

Because otherwise, athletics would simply be closed to women.

There was a comedian somewhere that suggested we should have one "normal" person off the street compete as a "control"... just to up the entertainment value.

@eeeaten

Жыл бұрын

i saw the suggestion yesterday that the olympics should have a random public draft - that it's just random people who are called up and you just have to do it. i'd watch.

@timothyandrewnielsen

Жыл бұрын

That's actually a really good idea.

@Alkis05

Жыл бұрын

@@eeeaten You would have a bunch of broken necks in olympic gymnastics.

@eeeaten

Жыл бұрын

@@Alkis05 party pooper

@Alkis05

Жыл бұрын

@@eeeaten Hey, I didn't object. It would be the olympic version of jackass movies.

I like the idea of "meaningful competition." We don't have to account for every variable either. Boxing has weight classes. Why not apply similar classes to sports based on advantages? Yes, it would be imperfect, but most things are until we observe and adapt.

@katherineberger6329

Жыл бұрын

I find it funny how the "fairness" goons are trying to force women's sports that include trans women to exclude them. The fairness goons FUCKING HATE flat-track roller derby because we've told them in no uncertain terms to get bent.

@soren3569

Жыл бұрын

It's not just a matter of 'imperfect'; it's a matter of 'does it work at all'. For instance, the same blow landed on a woman will be much more likely to cause injury than on a male, due to bone strength and size (the latter applying even in cases of similar height-weight, curiously enough). So a woman competing against a man in a boxing match will be much more likely to suffer a broken bone or other serious injury than her opponent, EVEN IF they fall into the same weight class. That is neither fair nor meaningful competition.

@OutsiderLabs

Жыл бұрын

We already divide them into classes for fairness - those classes are called male and female

@katherineberger6329

Жыл бұрын

@@OutsiderLabs And you actively try to destroy anyone and anything who steps outside those classes because those classes aren't about fairness.

@ryanh7167

Жыл бұрын

​@@katherineberger6329 'actively trying to destroy'? What on earth are you talking about? People pointing at the scientific literature and demonstrating that temporary HRT exposure doesn't magically erase the significant physical differences between male and female competitors are not trying to "destroy" people who don't fit neatly into "male" and "female." There is a complicated ethical discussion to be had about intersex people who have advantages within female sex segregated sports (with the most significant being XY chromosomal people with partial/complete androgen insensitivity and as a result naturally present as female). That conversation has nothing to do with the fairness of allowing natal males to compete against natal females under the (empirically verified to be false) presumption that undergoing hormone therapy to aesthetically appear more female makes one physically equivalent to a natal female competitor in sports performance.

It seems they’ve managed to sort out categories in disabled sport, why not in trans sport?

Geez it's not rocket science. You have xy separate from xx or it all becomes xy winning. Many of these people competed before transitioning and didn't do well but now dominate.

This video was an absolute blast. I love how dry your joke delivery is, you made me laugh so hard and presented a logical and well-supported argument at the same time. Keep on producing such amazing content!

@Muhahahahaz

Жыл бұрын

Me too! She doesn’t change her demeanor or tone at all, then suddenly I realize she just told a joke! Great delivery 😂

11:24 regarding the entertainment value of sports; It's more interesting to watch a sporting event where the contestants are closely matched but have slight variations in abilities than watching one team curb-stomp the other. That is, of course, unless the one doing the stomping is the one that is considered the underdog.

@jamonnaranjo

Жыл бұрын

That's not true, Usain Bolt stomped his competition for over a decade and was really fun ti watch

@joelwexler

Жыл бұрын

Or any team against the Dallas Cowboys.

@DocMajor16

Жыл бұрын

@@jamonnaranjo Now replace all his opponents with the fastest women.

@cjohnson3836

Жыл бұрын

If its the Pats or Colby Covington getting stomped, I'm here for it any day.

Thank you Sabine. Your work is amazing. Your communication is very clear and the sprinkling of humour is refreshing.

The man not only has advantages in terms of strength. Lung capacity, bone density, ligament resilience, hand-eye coordination, etc. I've been training Olympic weightlifting for 20 years and without going into the details, it's not the testosterone derivatives that are used as PEDs. Carli Lloyd has admitted that her two-time World Cup winning USA team was once beaten 5-2 by an FC Dallas Under-15 boys side in a practice game. And soccer is not a sport that is primarily about strength. As has already been said, there is a reason why we differentiate between weight, age and gender to ensure a certain degree of fairness. The gap between men and women is so big that fair competition cannot be guaranteed.

Where are the transmen athletes that are performing well? Breaking records?

@985476246845

5 күн бұрын

like with women i imagine trans men would have an advantage in long distance

and let's not forget that those competitions mean something to those who put a lot of effort into training to compete! it is not only about winning a trophy but also money and opportunities afterwards.

@yucol5661

Жыл бұрын

I mean, most won’t get any money and opportunities afterwards. Thinking about profesional sports as a competition for money is flawed because most will make extreme sacrifices and still don’t make money. The effort and years of training and dedication do mean something to the athletes. But it’s not as if sports being unfair and taking away money that could have been theirs is their main risk.

@amandamcgovern5744

11 ай бұрын

@@yucol5661 nobody said it was the “main risk” Simply another cost for women from men participating in their sports.. despite their leagues being separated BY sex. It’s just so ridiculous…

Did I miss the discussion on bone, heart, and lungs differences in men vs women?

@TheGiantRobot

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was disappointed by that exclusion, too. How about the fact that men have proportionally longer legs, making them faster runners? People were really impressed by the impartiality of this video, but I felt it fell a little flat in the science department. This isn't in any way a sort of close call physically.

@n0madtv

Жыл бұрын

Skeletal shapes as well. Post-puberty hormones aren't going to change the shape of your hips, shoulders, jaw, hands, etc...

@dmonster1528

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGiantRobot yes I was impressed

@barbarakauppi9915

Жыл бұрын

@@n0madtv Which also affect center of gravity, a significant factor in many sports. Another point ignored in this video. Unfortunately, this video includes just enough bits of science-related factors to make it appear as if it's actually scientific, but it isn't. Selective data is junk science, anti-science, whatever term you want, but to say that it's flawed is a considerable understatement. So much so as to undermine her credibility, which is also truly unfortunate.

@n0madtv

Жыл бұрын

@@barbarakauppi9915 It is unfortunate. I liked her physics videos, but after a little too much misinformation on various subjects, including physics, I've now unsubbed.

The mind blowing gibberish I just heard from a purportedly intelligent person.

"And in the next video I'll explain you why head scarfs are the best way to protect women from sexual violence."

@eeeaten

7 ай бұрын

What

I love Sabines sense of humour. Like when she said an extremely popular, multi billion dollar industry will go away because of ethics. haha.

@RP-dy5mu

Жыл бұрын

It's not about industry it's about human nature. We always compete. It's what makes life fun.

@rogerstone3068

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but look at Stricly Come Dancing. We COULD watch the very best dancers, but we don't. We watch a bunch of celebs competing to dance, not so well, but there's going to be a winner. Athletics could go this way.

@omeryanar1191

Жыл бұрын

She is german afterall. They aren't particularly popular for their humour

@joeiborowski9763

Жыл бұрын

@@rogerstone3068 I doubt it. The Olympic games started over 2700 years ago and it is still around. Humans are competitive by nature, that is what evolution has created in order to survive. We are still competitive in modern society in an economic way as men want money and power because that attracts a mate and a woman wants beauty and charm. There are outliers, but this is rather a rule for the vast majority. Simple evolutionary biology. People want to see the extremes of what a human body can do, so there will always be competitive physical sports at the highest limits because that is also a way we can say our team (tribe) is better than your team (tribe).

@major7thsharp11

Жыл бұрын

@@joeiborowski9763 "It is still around" makes it seem like it has been practiced continuously for 2700 years, whereas the reality is that the modern Olympics were rather spontaneously created about 130 years ago. As an aside, I've noticed that people who say something is categorically "simple evolutionary biology" are often the least suited to explain evolutionary biology to others.

I used to compete internationally at orienteering. It’s an interesting Sport in that all competitors can compete at self assigned levels, males and females, young and old, able bodied and those with disabilities, or those outside these groups. Awards were given for fastest time, as well as by gender, age and category. If you won in lower levels you moved up, regardless of body make-up. Seems like a very fair way of doing things.

@curtisnixon5313

Жыл бұрын

Right on Luke. That's the way forward in sport without alienating any competitors.

@jaewok5G

Жыл бұрын

presumably, making out of the forest alive is 'winning,' but how many categories will be enough? how many gender categories were there?

@lordgarion514

Жыл бұрын

That sport is basically irrelevant to physical ability, unless you're really messed up. Orienteering is more mental than physical. You might be able to run 4 minute miles, but if you suck at reading maps, you're probably not going to do all that well. The same way physical ability doesn't matter much in chess. I don't think anyone would really care who was what in chess. Nor would they in orienteering. But physical sports are a whole nother ballgame, so to speak. A 140 pound female would get near killed on a NFL field full of men....

@neuuser7071

Жыл бұрын

@@curtisnixon5313 women’s sports won’t exist. The top 1,000 male runners are faster than the fastest woman.

@jonasjorgensen8759

Жыл бұрын

The reason we seperate sports by sex is so females can win something

As a man (no matter trans or not) it must be unfair for anyone to compete against women in general.

@ilyas_elouchihi

9 ай бұрын

Definitely, the physical capabilities cannot be disregarded.

@lesnuitssanskimwilde7986

8 ай бұрын

@@KatyWellsKingsland Quaterback, yeah right. How much time before one of those ladies become paralized after a brutal sack? How many head traumas before turning pro?

@anonymouslyopinionated656

6 ай бұрын

@@KatyWellsKingsland NOBODY will make it

This made me nervous, seeing the topic, but you've earned my trust enough that I gave you a shot, and I think you've earned that trust again.

@lylelaney8270

Жыл бұрын

She doesn't take any stand and only presenting what is. I think she rarely doesn't if ever in any of her videos.

@philipripper1522

Жыл бұрын

@@lylelaney8270 there is no such thing as not taking a stand -- you can't avoid making a choice

@lylelaney8270

Жыл бұрын

@@philipripper1522 unless she clearly said I agree or disagree or this is right or wrong then it's not.

@philipripper1522

Жыл бұрын

@@lylelaney8270 That's still a stance. You think she doesn't editorialize? She'd correct you herself.

@lylelaney8270

Жыл бұрын

@@philipripper1522 If she does then she does. I'm pointing out unless she says it unambiguously then it's not a stance. That's all. It's unfair but it's still OK. It's wrong but it's acceptable. It didn't fit the current fact but it's still not contradictory. That's basically what she said. (Rephrasing)

I disagree Sabine. I think sports will eventually devolve into reality TV, but never truly go away

@chrisangel6833

Жыл бұрын

r u talking abt wwe

@JM-us3fr

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisangel6833 That’s actually a really good example

@JM-us3fr

Жыл бұрын

@@markus4925 She spends the second half of the video saying that it’s not just about physiology and they need to analyse fairness, competition, and entertainment. Did you not watch that far?

@HelliOnurb

Жыл бұрын

@@JM-us3fr Maybe they were too eager to voice their disappointment and couldn't continue watching.

@sherpajones

Жыл бұрын

Sports are ALREADY reality TV.

Pretty good coverage, though it would have been interesting if there were information on whether or not hormone therapy given before the assigned puberty will result in a musculoskeletal structure equivalent to the HRT gender. If this is confirmed in pre-puberty MtF trans women, that would add a lot of weight to the argument that it's important to avoid male puberty in such cases, whereas radicals tend to want to stop _all_ treatment, including puberty blockers.

@nyanbinarydisaster

Ай бұрын

this! i'm glad to see this nuance in the comments, because a problem i see a LOT with this debate is the oversimplification of the trans experience. there seems to always be a focus on trans people who started medically transitioning after their assigned puberty, when that is not reflective of every trans person's journey. (though, a lot of the arguments against trans people in pro sports are driven by anti-trans bias, so it would only really mean anything to those engaging in good faith...)

@Felice_Enellen

Ай бұрын

@@nyanbinarydisaster I think your parenthetical note is the real problem. I've pointed this out to people who are zealously against trans people and they just move the goalposts every time without acknowledging the point, complaining instead that no child should get blockers because it will somehow ruin them ... rather than accepting that for most of them, it will eventually allow them to be as perfect as they choose to be. The truth is, they don't _want_ anyone to be able to present and live as a gender other than assigned, because it gives them the _ick_ factor. Arguing in good faith is extremely rare.

@nyanbinarydisaster

Ай бұрын

@@Felice_Enellen i've noticed a similar thing from my own experience with the anti-trans crowd. no matter how well you deconstruct their arguments and provide them with evidence against their rhetoric, they refuse to be convinced or to even try to see you eye to eye because they're overtaken by hatred (though they won't admit this, and they hate it when you point it out). the other day, i saw someone making that argument about the "damage" that puberty blockers apparently cause, so i asked them how they feel about that same medication being prescribed to cis children for things like precocious puberty and, interestingly, they had nothing to say at all. with people like this, i imagine even they know how easily their arguments crumble under scrutiny, but for them to care about that, their goal would have to be a productive conversation, which it typically isn't. it's a shame, because we could all benefit a lot if people would put their hatred and egos aside and instead prioritise what's actually best for society, even if that means we have to abandon ideas we've been fed for generations and feel an irrational need to stick with. there's nothing inherently wrong with change, after all.

Florence Joyner set the women's world record for 100 meters in 1988 at 10.49 secs. No woman has ever run faster. More than 25,000 men have run faster. Similar story in every other event that requires physical strength and stamina, including swimming. What's to discuss?

As a trans person (but not a competitive athlete,) I have been struggling with how to feel and think on this contentious issue. Thank you for bringing some objective scientific perspective!

@Alex-ed8vj

Жыл бұрын

I respect your choice - be it man or woman. I respect your right of living the life you choose. On the other hand, if you were a man last week, or last month or last year and chose to compete in a women's event I would be as mad as hell.

@neyson220293

Жыл бұрын

so, what is your conclusion? Should trans-women be allowed in women's sports?

@SexyBeautifulBabe

Жыл бұрын

@@neyson220293 not the ones who are playing now … I wouldn’t even call a person that looks like Thomas a trans woman

@scnm25

Жыл бұрын

​@Alex "I respect you as long as you don't do the things I get to do despite all evidence in the video showing the whole of sports is inherently unfair and we focus on classically male advantages too much, but hey that's not the problem no it's your participation that crosses the line" lmao go "be mad" elsewhere if you aren't here to learn. Telling someone you respect them but would get angry at them for athletic participation is such a masked threat of power -- it makes your respect flimsy at best, and an obvious lie to say what you *really* mean at worst.

@surferdude4487

Жыл бұрын

At one end of the scale, we have scoundrels, men that put on a dress then compete in women's sports to gain a competitive advantage. IMO, these people need to be permanently banned, stripped of all titles and publicly shamed. On the other end, there are sincerely trans individuals that never fealt like their genetic gender and have transitioned. I am simply too ignorant to even talk about how these cases ought to be handled. I don't even have an opinion. But the real problem is, who determines who the con artists are?

Its interesting to note that the paralympics do classify people by giving them a handicap; thus enabling many people with varying levels of the same type of handicap to compete against one another. Of course this doesn't remove all differences, but does allow for a certain level of reasonable competition. In the end this is all that can be done; like the way we separate competitors with respect to age. Today we even have senior competitions. Should we provide every person in the world with a handicap evaluation such that someone who is half-blind can complete on the same level as someone who has perfect vision in archery? I'm sure there isn't a perfect answer to this question; as the answer will depend on the objective of competition. Is it to amuse the spectators, it is to make money for the performers, or profit to the business people? Good luck solving that riddle!!

@grejen711

11 ай бұрын

Perhaps what should then be included in professional sports is an active 'handicapping' negotiation segment where teams or individuals are handicapped based on pre-event negotiations by the managers or coaches. Like in hot rod street racing! Michael Phelps, no one will race you unless you give them x seconds head start!

@formulaic78

10 ай бұрын

This is a crazy utopian idea that will, if implemented, destroy elite sports for spectators and thus lead to their complete collapse. We watch sports to see the amazing feats the very best athletes can pull off. Seeing Bolt win by 0.5 seconds in a ten second race makes more people want to watch, not less. Seeing a man who identifies as a woman beat people by that distance in a women's race, would have those who aren't utopian fantasists throwing their remote control through the TV and not replacing it.

@kaing5074

10 ай бұрын

Paralympics is rife with cheating

I don't agree that competitive sports will stop in 100 years because of genetic engineering, but rather become more like motor sports are today where a team will rise around a sponsored athlete and it will be teams that compete using a genetically engineered humans

Sports is supposed to be good because it teaches "Sportsmanship". But all we have now is disputes, arguing, business, lawsuits, hatred, nationalism, sexism and money, money, money.

11:20 "Kind of like physics conferences". I'm dying.😂😂😂😂 A was already laughing with "all the right junk in all the right places." Sabine is the best!

@adiongano8416

Жыл бұрын

😂 i thought I was the only one that found it so funny

@KristopherNoronha

Жыл бұрын

when she said "all sports are freak shows" i thought that's going to be a tough statement to keep socially acceptable... but Sabine did it 😁

@zen1647

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think Sabine is absolutely hilarious in an effortless way. I love her videos.

@williamverhoef4349

Жыл бұрын

@@KristopherNoronha "when she said "all sports are freak shows" i thought that's going to be a tough statement to keep socially acceptable" Same here. I thought: 'No, Sabina, you can't say that!'. And then, when she said: "Kind of like physics conferences", I thought: 'Right, that self-deprecating remark is going to save you from all that horrible kick back that was coming'.

@quasarsupernova9643

Жыл бұрын

Sabine slays each time ..

I saw the title and my heart sank: A physics researcher weighing in on trans people in sports?? But wow, I'm so glad I sucked it up and clicked, this was honestly one of the best summaries of the actual facts I've ever come across. And of course, the actual facts reveal that people's emotions have been preoccupied with the wrong things. Thank you so much for putting in the effort on this, Sabine.

@paulwalsh2344

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I completely agree. Sabine is really great at that !

@tomasxfranco

Жыл бұрын

I like how you expose your bias where you start with the idea that a scientist can't have an opinion and share it.

@tomasxfranco

Жыл бұрын

@@yozul1 I don't think any of us has the level of insight to confirm that either way. We can agree that being instantly dismissive of someone else as if they can't have a reasonable opinion on a subject is pretty nefarious, as impedes discourse and learning. I believe anyone with this type if prejudicial reaction should evaluate why they initially thought Sabine incapable of providing some insightful commentary.

@chronoshin8597

Жыл бұрын

They are not facts. Just observation which is like quantum mechanics - unreliable.

@Raphael4722

Жыл бұрын

Let's call it for what it is: you're just relieved that she toed the PC line and that she didn't make you question any of your beliefs.

Thank you for tackling a complicated issue. It seems that I was correct about this matter; that I don’t have the mental ability to understand this matter.

Sabine! What I like about you is that you’re not afraid to come to the conclusion “It’s complicated. I don’t have a definitive answer”. This attitude is missing from society today. Thank you for being brave enough to offer information we can use to try to understand the issue rather than stuffing a pre-packaged “answer” down our throats.

@BboyKeny

Жыл бұрын

True although in this case it's less complicated I think. If someone is on steroids for 20 years and stops for a day to enter a tournament then that person will have a unfair advantage. Regardless of all the gender ideology that's going around, this is in issue of biology and chemicals. Or people should stop being hypocrites and demand for complete freedom on sports. So no gender division, no restrictions on doping and no restrictions electro mechanical body modifications.

@philippenachtergal6077

Жыл бұрын

@@BboyKeny Did you actually watch the video ? Your comment seems to indicate you did not.

@BboyKeny

Жыл бұрын

@@philippenachtergal6077 I wasn't responding to the video, just giving my opinion.

@philippenachtergal6077

Жыл бұрын

@@BboyKeny Then I suggest you do watch it. It will save you from saying stupid things.

@tomedward8652

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it is complicated. Those born female take part in female events and those born male take part in male events. Very simple. And yes, I did watch the video.

I'm reminded of an analysis of world speed records. I believe the conclusion wasn't just that some athletes born since the 1900s are longer limbed and faster, but also that they have much better technology to assist their training and performance. The improvements in running footwear, performance monitoring, nutrition/hydration improvements, training and much more all play a part. It's not entirely accurate to say that the worlds' athletes are better/taller/faster now than 100 years ago, but that they are better trained, have better gear, and have been socially/financially selected for specific characteristics that push them into those fields as well as possibly being born with more/different advantages than their predecessors. Is it "fair" that some nations are willing to spend more to select and enhance their athletes for certain events/sports than other nations can? That's an advantage that could be controlled for, yet we don't. They certainly have better outcomes most of the time. Look at China/Russia with gymnasts. You see nations recruiting people from around the world to compete in their sports, when those people could be representing their nations of birth if that country had similar resources to train/promote their athletes. Not unlike politicians who can spend/fund raise unlimited money vs those nations where campaigns are limited in from where and how much money they can spend, it makes a huge difference in the outcomes and representation of the general population.

@erseshe

Жыл бұрын

Explain to me how that justifies men joining women's leagues. If sport's unfair so who cares anyways, then just get rid of women's leagues and disability leagues entirely, no?

@PeteQuad

Жыл бұрын

Yes this sounds to me like a good reason to get rid of women's sports altogether. It's going to be unfair anyway so why do we need it?

@alberteinstein8862

Жыл бұрын

yeah no this argument sounds dumb

@deuscoromat742

Жыл бұрын

Ladies and gentlemen this is a Nirvana fallacy. "Because we can't filter all the contaminants out of the water we shouldn't filter any" ps. If your ideology is blatantly embracing a fallacy as its Flagship argument you should probably reevaluate Your alliance.

@deuscoromat742

Жыл бұрын

@@alberteinstein8862 Your instincts are correct.

12:55 I saw multiple videos from women who are competing in different sports, like swimming or 100 metres running and they say that since trans women (who are biologically men) entered the competition, they never won even once - no matter how hard they are training. They have to give up their career, because they simple physically have no chance to compete with trans women. So I partly disagree with the statement that _"sex differences decrease the more emphasis a discipline puts on endurance rather than strength"_ - yes, it decreases same way as it does if you and me have a similar physique but I work out while you eat chips and watch KZread all day long. But this is a completely different thing than if you are 2 metres high due to your genes while I'm just 1,8m and you win in a running competition. No matter how much I exercise - I simply won't be able to win assuming that we have otherwise the exact same physique, training, health, age and whatever else, because my legs are physically shorter than yours. These are often not subtle advantages, but measurable and significant advances, which very clearly favor trans women in sports. So you see - This has actually nothing to do with the fact that these people are trans. It has something to do with the fact, that they have significant advantages which cannot be overcomed by simply training harder (which would also be unfair - you can compare that with doping). That's why people are separated in classes in sports.

I’m so glad someone with a science background is broaching this contentious subject. It is a very volatile space where multiple perspectives are presented without sufficient justification.

This is the most level headed assesment of this situation ive ever seen

Kudos to you for taking on such a “third rail” topic, and doing it so well. I absolutely love your analysis of current professional sports and the prediction for its future. I have always felt the same way, professional sports is basically a six-sigma freak show. Some people find it entertaining, some people find it kind of pointless.

@dianes6245

Жыл бұрын

Pointless, yes. But entertaining? Yes that too.

@DavidHRyall

Жыл бұрын

All professional pursuits are pointless, as is life itself. That doesn't mean one can't find meaning on a personal and group level doing pointless things

@mauricio4619

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHRyall I don't think they mean like it is for nothing, it's that some people don't care for it. Like, I don't care to watch sports but it's mostly because I end up wanting to play the sport rather than cheer on gladiators.

@spiritualpolitics8205

Жыл бұрын

Taking on a third rail topic to mouth the pieties of 99% of our elites is not really so third rail. It's akin to publicly opining one's on board with defund the police.

@mycollegeshirt

Жыл бұрын

​ @Shnizza pie sports aren't just a whose the born the strongest competition. The level's of ridiculous dedication and love for the craft is what's incredible. You watch them to learn and figure them out to try and perfect it, to push yourself. Just like you do anything you want to excel at. You learn from the masters.

How hard did you train for your swimming competition Sabine?

The problem here is with the psychologists. These people don't really care about how society or world works, they just care about how to make one individual happy for whatever price (best for a high price ;) ). It is psychologists that gave 'recommendation for treatment' of people that don't like their current gender, and the treatment is that all people should pretend that this person is of another gender. Because for a psychologist, the world starts and ends in the head, there is no meaningful physical world for them. Well, those psychologists didn't really care about how society would work later or how others would feel about it.

10:16 THIS! This is something I've been thinking a lot. Can we not do things to make this more fair? How come combat sports have not only gender division but also weight divisions that allow a much wider range of people to participate, while if I, for example, I'm not lucky enough to be at least 2m tall, my chances of becoming a professional basketball player are basically crashed.

@theskull1030

Жыл бұрын

@@RobustPhysics And yet, combat sports could do it better.

@didrikmesicek4825

Жыл бұрын

Firstly, there are many basketball players well under 2m, usually playmakers, Spud Webb even won the dunking competition at 1.7m. Of course height helps, but taller players are often also way clumsier and slow so it's a fairly fair trade off. Volleyball is actually the sport where height matters a lot more. But anyway, you can't really create a separate league for players 170-180cm, another for 180-190cm players, etc, whereas division by gender is very simple and also (in most sports) not something that can be overcome with training. A team of average sized male players would still destroy a female basketball team with everyone being 190cm+ for example. The differences are far bigger. The same actually comes into play in martial arts, as someone with about 80kg I have absolutely not chance against someone of roughly similar skill with 100kg, body mass just matters that much more in those sports

@theskull1030

Жыл бұрын

@@didrikmesicek4825 The fact that 1.7m is remarcably short for a basketball player tells you a lot about the role height plays.

@TheStatisticalPizza

Жыл бұрын

We already do this by having different leagues ranging from hobby to professional, there are amateur and semi-pro leagues for virtually every sport including fighting. But the sports that people watch are the best of the best, they want to see the top athletes competing and that's where the money is, the more you try to include athletes at lower levels, the less people will want to watch.

@theskull1030

Жыл бұрын

@@TheStatisticalPizza I'm talking more about physical divisions rather than skill ones.

10:18 Sport have been "fair" based on the common understanding of the word "fair". We (humans) have sought to eliminate the most pronounced sources of unfairness (age&sex) by creating alternative leagues or divisions. An inability to achieve perfect fairness (not the goal anyway) is not the basis of an argument to give up on the pursuit of fairness entirely.

@Hero_Girl

Жыл бұрын

In terms of biological sex, trans women are closer to cisgender women than they are to cisgender men. If you are truly interested in pursuing fairness, you should know it's unfair to have trans women compete against cisgender men who haven't transformed their bodies and biochemistry in ways that align more with women than men.

@CS_Mango

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@covid19alpha2variantturboc7

Жыл бұрын

This video made me realize that this channel is not about science at all but rather about indoctrinating people into leftist ideology

@raakareiska9804

Жыл бұрын

Just legalize hormones and put everyone in the same league without exceptions on weight, gender or age. Lets ruin all sport careers for once as we have already started with women

@SynMonger

Жыл бұрын

There's no common understanding for fairness, only constant negotiation and renegotiation.

they should have their own class. not a perfect solution, but at least it would stop a small % of people ruining the competition for the majority.

@eeeaten

7 ай бұрын

Misses the point.

Of course some people have athletic advantages over others. The goal of sport is to see who is best. Categories exist to allow similar types of people to compete against each other, to make it fair. Fairness is a goal of sport. That is why we have so many different events. This allows the opportunity for those with many different body types and skill sets, to participate in sport. I think you are incorrect to say you could never be an athlete. Have you ever trained enough to find out what your athletic abilities are? It is motivation which is a major factor in ability, however whatever sport you competed in it is highly likely a man (who also trained for that sport) of same age and size would beat you.

My first reaction before watching: holy shit, Sabine has balls talking about this subject... Figuratively speaking of course

@wktodd

Жыл бұрын

She always strikes me as the sort of woman who has a collection of balls ;-)

@pluto9000

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know Sabine was.

@ff-qf1th

Жыл бұрын

Well, you never know! ;)

@Tubluer

Жыл бұрын

Um, thumbs up. I think? :)

@econdoc3000

Жыл бұрын

@@ff-qf1th True that 😁

This is an excellent presentation! BTW, I took a deeper dive into other topics that caused me to watch some of your earlier videos from 4 years ago. Your production quality has really improved. Congratulations on your great work!