As someone that owns a 991.2 GT3 Touring, a 718 Spyder manual and a 991.2 manual GTS cabriolet I can tell you that you can have a great deal of fun in a car that costs much much less. Which is evidenced by my recent purchase of a soft top manual Miata. My advice is to buy new what you can afford and sleep better without worrying about reliability and repair costs.

@mainscrizz

Жыл бұрын

best advice

@acebrawler

Жыл бұрын

Yes! If I could afford a brand new Cayman, there would be one in my driveway. I can afford a brand new GR 86 and there is one in my driveway. 😊

@Dyltheboy

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations though… GT3 touring is something to own from my dreams. Enjoy it man!

@t7489

Жыл бұрын

We get it. You have money.

@Closertotruth2

Жыл бұрын

@@t7489 Yes I’m blessed financially after getting a terminal degree in my field of study and going from poverty to running my own business for over 30 years.BUT that is beside the point. The point is you don’t have to have a lot of money to drive a great fun car. The key is to be financially responsible to yourself so that you can really enjoy it stress free. The Miata is great and many can afford it or an 86, or a BRZ etc.

Years back I was faced with the decision of a new 2013 BRZ/FR-S or a used 2006 Cayman S (987.1) with ~60k mi. At the time the Cayman spoke more to me and I was elated to own my first Porsche. I agree with the reviewers in that the Cayman is unmatched in feel and refinement, and there is nothing better than the sound of that flat-six. The Cayman attracted attention everywhere I drove it, and was one of the most confidence inspiring platforms when driven at the limit. About 8k miles into my ownership experience I experienced the need for a new clutch and flywheel, which set me back $4k at my local Porsche dealer. After this I was hesitant to drive the car as much, and wondered if the BRZ/FR-S would have been a better overall ownership experience. With the improvements to the new GR86 I think it is easily the more sensible option, and a platform most buyers can drive mercilessly for many miles without much financial risk. At the end of the day however, sportscar ownership is more about feelings than sensibility. You have to choose whichever option speaks to you the most and accept whatever that option brings. While I still reminisce about everything I loved about the Cayman, I currently own and enjoy a 2001 Corvette Z06 (C5). The performance per dollar is unrivaled in this market if you are attracted to the styling and can overlook the 90's GM refinement (or lack there of).

@Senza_1

Жыл бұрын

I can never discount the performance of those old vettes at their price point but good lord the styling is not for me haha.

@alexandrebergeron1260

Жыл бұрын

Very good point, but also remember that a 10year old or older Porsche sports car will almost not depreciate while the brand new car will be looking at 50% value in a few years. So it might cost more while you own it, you will recoup some loss at the sale of the car, unlike the brand new gr86 for example.

@KosmicKitchen

Жыл бұрын

I drove a '12 BRZ for 10 years, including track days. Nothing ever went wrong in the car, maintenence was relatively cheap. However, I could not extract a passionate engine note out of it, even with aftermarket parts. In that sense, the 'flat-six' remains a class of its own.

@F1jones

Жыл бұрын

After one visit to a Porsche dealer with my 987, I found a local no-nonsense European car specialist who did a brake job with OEM parts for < 50% of the dealer's price and never looked back.

@StockySnail

Жыл бұрын

I went through the same back in 2012. I ended up with the BRZ as it seemed more playful and more exciting to drive. It's even more exciting since I put a twin screw supercharger on it and sounds much better than most cars on the road as well.

I've owned a 987 S and I have a GR86 now, much happier in the GR compared to the Porsche. One of the key points was said "the 86 is like an excited puppy and the cayman is more serious". That seriousness actually gets kind of boring and sterile in daily life, whereas the 86 is a treat no matter what I'm doing. The cayman is a phenomenal car but the engine is the only selling point over the GR. The GR is lighter and feels lighter, amazing looks, cheaper maintenance and still under warranty, more features, better seats (big deal for me), and just as thrilling in a performance driving situation. I love both but the GR was the right move.

@jeffoa2319

Жыл бұрын

Same issue for me. Had a 986 boxster in very nice condition, switched to a miata. These cars are just more exciting. Porsches are nice if comfort is equally as important to you as other reasons for buying a sports car.

@PRODNXBU

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@MichaelCsikos

Жыл бұрын

And you can take a couple of kids, too. That could be what gets it over the line when negotiating with the missus.

@404nobrakes

Жыл бұрын

This makes me feel better, as someone who almost bought a 987 over the GR.

@mrporsche4236

9 ай бұрын

Ive owned many porsches. The gr is the one to buy. I will not buy another porsche

These were the 2 cars I was choosing from. I decided that the "peace of mind" of a new car, plus the relative ease/cheapness of serviceability of the GR86 was worth something. Plus, I was tired of being a keyboard warrior who constantly complained that manufacturers don't make new, manual sports cars. I decided to put my money where my mouth is. Edit: note that the actual characteristics of the car didn't play into this decision at all. I was already convinced that I wouldn't regret either

@roboticvenom1935

Жыл бұрын

to replace clutch and flywheel on cayman costs $4k.

@skvltdmedia

Жыл бұрын

Except to match Porker's limits the 86 needs that 10k of parts to make up power and handling being at best a 20k factory car, whereas Cayman is that next tier fully proper.

@404nobrakes

Жыл бұрын

@@skvltdmedia why does that matter? If I wanted performance, I wouldn't buy an 86. And I'm not sure if we watched the same video - the 86 and cayman aren't that far off in performance.

@mengx94

Жыл бұрын

@@skvltdmedia beats having a garage ornament 😂

@andrewrossnagel9433

Жыл бұрын

With a new car you don't just get peace of mind, you also get to lose 30% in the first 3 years of ownership from depreciation. That cost alone is more than you'd spend on the Porsche in 6-10 years of ownership. It is also very likely that you will sell the Porsche for nearly the same you paid for it because it's at the end of its depreciation curve.

Man I literally considering these two cars. Your video is right on time!

@drewmorg.

Жыл бұрын

Easy decision, Porsche, just be ready to pay for oil changes and brake jobs.

@philandviki

Жыл бұрын

@@drewmorg. or learn to do it yourself . It’s not all that hard if you know your way around the garage . But I agree Porsche 100%

@Dj688toneo

10 ай бұрын

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@SLOBeachboy

9 ай бұрын

I too have been trying to decide between these same two cars for the past year. From a financial perspective of course its almost always smarter to buy a high quality ten-year old car then it is a new car. The older car has already depreciated about as much as it ever will while the new car might be worth less than half what you paid for it in 5 or 10 years. And this is why I always buy used cars. I bought my 3rd gen RX-7 for $14,000 back in 2000 and just sold it for $35,000 so it was a wise investment. The problem with the GR86 is that its only two years old and people are paying more than MSRP on them so even the used ones are very expensive. And nobody wants to buy the regular 86 now that there is a new one with a much better engine. The other problem is that its virtually impossible to find a used FRS/86 that has not been modified or abused by some juvenile idiot past owner. So that only leaves the option of buying new and I just hate to buy new and take the loss on depreciation - although the Porsche will obviously cost more in maintenance. I have actually always done all my own repairs and maintenance in the past but now I’m getting to the point where I no longer like to do the major repairs myself so the Porsche could prove to be very expensive to own.

@AmritP

7 ай бұрын

@@drewmorg. DIY thats what i do with my 911. the shops charge way too much here. previous owners receipts were like 2-4k NZD per yearly service. absolutely ridiculous.

I have a 22 GR86, 7 months in. Not one single regret.

@buildmorefarms1007

Жыл бұрын

Is the ride harsh?

@SuchFinessse

Жыл бұрын

@@buildmorefarms1007 it’s not bad. To me, it’s comfortable for the street with just the right amount of stiffness

@Consoul909

Жыл бұрын

@@buildmorefarms1007 I came out of an Accord, so yes at first, but now I hardly notice it unless the road is in rough shape

I was in a similar predicament recently. Ended up with a 987.2 Cayman S. It's my daily driver, and I have zero regrets. Such a capable car!

@Lucky008aau

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@stevemiller1626

7 ай бұрын

NO RAGERTS!

@mrporsche4236

6 ай бұрын

They are very over rated. And i love ( some ) porsches

@williamnewton5556

5 ай бұрын

Bro what? .2 cayman S is wayyyy higher in price than gt86 or a new gr86 and is way better

@TooFlyNico

Ай бұрын

Lucky man. I am looking exactly into that car. I want one very badly but won’t be able to afford it for another 2 years at least.

Stock Caymans on track absolutely need higher temp brake fluid like Motul RBF 600. Makes all the difference. I absolutely love my 2008 Cayman S. Have owned it 10 years now, no plans on selling it. Still brings me lot's of joy and excitement. Been very reliable too!

@footballvision1504

Жыл бұрын

do you daily it and if so what is it in your opinion that sets it apart from other cars you have driven?

@alexwhite176

Жыл бұрын

I think that's any daily imo that you track that is fast enough to push the brakes....

@Lucky008aau

Жыл бұрын

I tracked my daily '09 Cayman S (owned 3 years now). I went with the high temp brake fluid beforehand. Eight 20 minute sessions, zero issues.

@Lucky008aau

Жыл бұрын

@@footballvision1504 Corners. Tight 90 degrees in town, sweeping onramps, tight clover leaf offramps, nothing corners like a Cayman S. Well, a Lotus does, but I wouldn't daily a Lotus, too harsh and unreliable.

@dawei.thecarguy

2 ай бұрын

how much does it cost u to track the Cayman and daily it? let's say annually

Nice guys! I was in this exact predicament earlier this year.. Had a refundable $500 deposit on a GR86 at my local Toyota dealer (they only sell for MSRP), but was like 3rd in line for one.. Stumbled across a 987.1 Cayman S for low $30's on Craiglist (wait before you chastise).. Turns out a highly reputable local Porsche/Audi/BMW/MB shop was selling it for a long time customer (he's retired and was travelling the world).. Had the last 8 years of service records and the clutch/flywheel, rotors, plugs, and tires were all done in the last month. It had 78k miles on it when I bought it (84k now) and has been one of the best cars I've owned thus far.. Took it to a PCA track day, no issues.. If you can find one of these gems that has good documentation (or passes a stringent PPI) just buy it.. While the GR86 is good, it can't compete with how much more power/torque the CS has, mid-engine layout, and the sound of the flat 6.. This is the first car that I haven't modded the exhaust on because the intake noise is soooooo goood..

@gigi9467

Жыл бұрын

Good luck man.

@martinmendiolamm

Жыл бұрын

thats awesome! got my 06 S for 28 with 68k miles over the summer and love it

@stms4411

Жыл бұрын

I will own both. Have a 981 boxster s and a 2022 civic si…..eventually I’ll sell the civic and get a brz. Problem with a gen 1 cayman is cost of ownership. I just spent $62 on an oil change at a Honda dealership for my civic. I pay over $200 for the boxster at an independent (my dealer wants more than $500!)

@gigi9467

Жыл бұрын

@@stms4411 yeah man I don’t think it’s worth it that’s just an oil change. What if something else goes wrong?

@martinmendiolamm

Жыл бұрын

@@stms4411 l just do the maintenance myself. Oil, brake pads, and rotors were very easy to do

I like that u kept your word about testing as many competitors to the 86

Cayman is a well made car. Not to mention it is reliable, and easy to DIY maintain. Each time when I am under my 987.2 when its on my quick jack to do the oil change, I was happy to see the amount of engineering went into the design and manufacturing of each component. In my 11 years of ownership since new, it still put a grin on my face each time when I am driving it and it drives like the first day I got it. In my younger days, I drove it more aggressively and really enjoy the perfect rotational inertia of the car.

@SPARTANLuis067

Жыл бұрын

Sure the 86 may be cheaper to maintain (sometimes) but Porsches are just truly unrivaled in the driving department. I bought an old 944 that hadn't been started in about a year, had blown suspension bushings all around, a front sway bar that was disconnected, an exhaust leak, and a cam tower leak that billowed smoke, and it STILL got me home. They need maintenance but so does every other car on the road. Treat your Porsche well and it makes life worth living

@angelCristian-rf1fr

5 ай бұрын

The Cayman Its definitely more reliable than the 86 with all those recalls abd issues. The 86 has more than 6 recalls and 56 (YES 56) TSB in only ONE year.. From engine failure, Transmission, Oil starvation, bad electronics, interior, exterior paint... You cant even modify it to fix Subaru screw up because you lose the warranty...

Thank you for cross-comparing these cars! So compelling for different reasons and yet, the same reasons...fun!

@johnguanci2316

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it would be like choosing between a Jason Bourne and a John Wick movie, they are similar and they are very different...both great.

@rembo183

Жыл бұрын

Might as well look at a 230i Supra and Nissan Z too. They’re less money than a Cayman and great cars … more affordable than Cayman. New sports car with a warranty is piece of mind.

Great comparison! I had the exact same dilemma about a year ago, and ended up with my 987.1. I don't regret my decision one bit and have had an absolute blast with it. These first gen Caymans are such good little cars, and it's great to see that there are new options like the GR86 that capture a similar level of magic.

@mrbubblebuns3994

Жыл бұрын

there really is no choice, the cayman is far superior in every way. as long as you can afford the maintenance. 👍👍

@andrewrossnagel9433

Жыл бұрын

The maintenance for the Cayman is much less than the depreciation the newer 86 will have. You will spend 10k on mods to compete with a cayman on a track and it will still be slower and much less comfortable.

@Bodangers

11 ай бұрын

@@andrewrossnagel9433 the new gr86 and brz had faster lap times than many cayman when I went to the track. They were stock too

@christiangallagher1689

7 ай бұрын

@@andrewrossnagel9433 That‘s interesting. How would you explain that new (not registered) GR86 are sold with an uplift of 10k+, then? I get your point - bit you might want to have a look at prices for a GR yaris as well: After 3 years, they are well above the RRP in 2020. So, at thw moment, I woudn‘t see any depreciation at all. The GR86 is a car thats produced in VERY small numbers - I feel that prices will not fall.

@andrewrossnagel9433

7 ай бұрын

@@christiangallagher1689 That just proves my point even more of the value of used cars. Depreciation will be even worse due to mark ups. Making the Cayman an even greater value. Gr86s aren't produced in small numbers. They're produced at the rate Toyota believes they will sell. As they aren't limited edition. It's simple supply and demand.

Thanks guys for doing my car justice. I’ve always appreciated your insights and wholeheartedly agree with your conclusions (especially Paul’s 😉). There are no losers here but after 5 years of 987 ownership I’m still a proud and happy owner with no regrets! Now, about that high-temp fluid…..

Thank you, another great video. And Paul in the Porsche looks like a kid that got a toy that was nr. 1 on his wish list. Such enthusiasm. GR86 looks great in this colour combo.

Thank you guys for taking on the question that so many of us struggle with, especially with these two models. More expensive cars are often more fun than the affordable competitor but with increased costs there’s diminishing returns. It’s hard to know if I save up and buy the more expensive car if I will actually enjoy it enough to justify the delta over the entry level car. Keep this type of content coming!

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

Glad this resonated with you. Thanks for commenting and watching!

@mrbubblebuns3994

Жыл бұрын

that gr will never be a cayman, one is front engine rwd while the other is mid engine rwd. you can't change physics.

@O8Zen

Жыл бұрын

@@mrbubblebuns3994 that's true, and clearly wasn't the goal of the GR, or they would've put the engine in the back 😜

@TheJahbrother

Жыл бұрын

@@EverydayDriver haha i see what you did there! :)

@kalmmonke5037

Жыл бұрын

@@EverydayDriver was final edition lotus elise lot more bumpy and loud inside than current gr 86? how different is 86 from new corolla or older camry in NVH?

As a former 2006 Porsche Cayman S owner, in 2014 I can assure you it's daunting. Clutch $3500, Computer $4000, metal shavings in the engine with check engine light $11000. That was in the four months I owned it. It had 61000 miles. Again... those were 2014 prices. Expect 30-40% higher now... 10 years later.

@ckkk1m

9 ай бұрын

that's so depressing T__T I just drive a 2016 cayenne and it's not even a sports car yet the maintenance is not ideal

@ckkk1m

9 ай бұрын

Pretty to look at though I love mine!

Thanks paul and todd. This was a fantastic episode. I am porsche sold.. but others might love your perspective on selection.

Wow, I'm was literally thinking about these two choices and here is the video I wanted to see. Thanks guys you're great 👍

Thanks for the awesome content as always! Your choice of vehicles is always fun and interesting. Your production values are through the roof!!! Those drone shots are amazing, capturing those beautiful winding roads.

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

Glad to have you with us. Thanks for watching!

An interesting comparison. Maintenance will cost much more on the Cayman, but it's near the bottom of it's depreciation curve. The 86 value retention is yet to be seen, but it is still in warranty. I envy anyone who has to wrestle with this decision.

@lepepus

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2010 Boxster and had a 2007 before.... You can't go wrong and they are soooo reliable. No contest for me for the same money.

@michaeljohn1160

Жыл бұрын

86 value retention came out last month. Under the Porsche Cayman.

@billschlafly4107

Жыл бұрын

I can't speak to the GR86 or the older 987 Cayman driven in the video, but I've owned a 982 718 Cayman for nearly a year now and it's spectacular. Miles = Smiles!

@404nobrakes

Жыл бұрын

I plan on driving very hard, and breaking things. Within 2-3 years, I don't think there will be any comparison in the repair costs of the 987 vs the GR86. So I went with the GR86.

@Lucky008aau

Жыл бұрын

@@404nobrakes I drive normal most the time, only put 3000 miles a year on the car, I chose the '09 Cayman S (save on depreciation, lose on maintenance).

I had the great pleasure to drive both of these cars, these very cars, a couple of days before they filmed this while on their Utah Adventure. Paul and Todd know how to host a driving weekend. It’s really about what you want, but I’m with Todd. I found the GR86 to be light, agile and fun. Not quite as balanced as the Cayman S, but a lighter clutch, steering, shifter, and car overall. As Paul said, it’s playful. The 987S Cayman was FUN! Confidence inspiring, stable and grips, the car takes a back seat and lets you enjoy the drive. Back to back with the GR86 it felt heavy though.

@07wrxtr1

Жыл бұрын

My goal is to go from a 370z to a Cayman someday!

@d.nakamura9579

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU for mentioning clutch feel. The Porsche being heavier is what I would’ve expected.

Great review! Someone once wise told me (on the good old reddit), get what you can afford and what you like (no matter what). Get a car for you not for others. At the end of the day you will be driving it! Both cars I was considering, I am glad I got the 86 when I did! Going on a year strong....well soon

Own a '22 BRZ and drove a base 981 recently. I would say all things being equal, BRZ>Cayman, but Cayman S>BRZ. Also just a side note, I wish journalists would mentioned that the GR86/BRZ's power number is underrated from the factory. It's really closer to 250hp than 228hp. Dozen's of customer dynos will prove that.

@joeracer302

Жыл бұрын

Dynos are tuning tools. Measuring HP to compare against another dyno is amateur hour. If someone is using dyno to bench race they are typically not knowledgeable about building real world performance. Even the same dyno will have inconsistency from one day to the next, so comparing with a completely different dyno on a different day is completely invalid. End of the day, use the dyno to help tune, but power matters where the tires meet the road: 1/4 time and lap times. You’re either faster or you’re not.

@francostrong202

Жыл бұрын

@@joeracer302 what? 1/4 mile times are wildy inaccurate. Tires, driver, weather, tarmac, transmission stoutness, clutch wear, the car itself--all are all variables that make 1/4 mile times super suspect. Not to mention that no one in the real world is really achieving the most optimal times bc dumping clutches will blow up your car after repeated use. Why would you think the 1/4 mile is a good indicator?

@davidsucks922

Жыл бұрын

@@joeracer302 Dyno's are power measuring tools, not a tuning tool. It just so happens that the goal of tuning is to make more power, and therefore measuring power is important in that pursuit. People dyno stock cars, and many people have dyno'd their stock 22+ 86/BRZs across multiple different dynos on multiple different days, and have consistently put down around 210WHP, which with standard drivetrain loss of 15% puts these cars at ~240HP at the crank, vs the 228HP claimed by Toyota/Subaru

@kristoffer3000

Жыл бұрын

Porsche are also VERY well known for underrating the power in their cars as well, much like most German manufacturers.

@soilent9618

Жыл бұрын

@@joeracer302 Irrelevant. The point is that the car makes more power than the manufacturer states and there are multiple sources that prove that.

Paul hit it…..the 86 feels like a puppy and the cayman feels more serious. That’s why owning both is wonderful….the tonal difference is enjoyable to experience back to back. Had a 2017 brz and a 2013 boxster s. The former was swapped for a 2022 civic si. I will get another brz and own them both!

Ten years ago I found your channel when researching whether I should buy a used 987 S. You guys pushed me over the edge and the Cayman in this video could practically be mine. Had to sell it a few years ago. Man, I miss it.

Yes! I was waiting for this piece - very interesting! Thank you gentlemen

Great comparison/video! I was making a similar decision recently myself (GR86 vs. higher end used car) and went with the used car. While I love the car I went with, I think its worth noting that there will probably be a fair amount of deferred maintenance to deal with on any used car. Especially if you intend to track it or drive it hard. While I love the car I picked its hard not to dwell on the price of all new fluids, full detail, other small issues, and tires that the car needed right away. I hate to admit it, but I probably would have been better to hold out for a used GR86 with low miles (lots of those available).

@moneymoney733

Жыл бұрын

I believe you probably made the right choice. Just like everything went up in price couple years ago..for the next couple of years things will come down. New cars will lose much more value.

Nice to see you with your souvenirs from Germany 🇩🇪, your helmets. Enjoyed every second of your new video. And agree both cars are great. My preference: the 86

loving everything about this video! Thank you guys! Very nice comparison

Yes!! I’m so glad you guys decided to do this one!

Great hosts, Fantastic roads, Interesting story - you guys truly have winning formula! Thanks again for the really interesting video!

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

Glad to have you watching, and pleased you like what we do. Thank you!

Bravo, fellas! I was fiercely waiting for this! Great comparo. All the same it’s an interesting take, seeing just how a 15yr old Cayman holds up against a modern offering from Toyota. It says something about both. I actually thought the GR was going to be a clear winner! So bravo Porsche in that case for creating a lasting car in the 987!

Amazing vid - adding to other’s comments - I’m exactly in the same boat and have been struggling with this decision. New car, or a Porsche (I’m a huge Porsche fan, btw). Thank you for reading my mind!

Yes! This is what I have been waiting for. Thank you guys!

@DriverMD23

Жыл бұрын

@@EverydayDriver I was really looking forward to a new 86 vs first gen Cayman comparison given similar price point.... Loved the 86/Miata piece but I don't fit great in a Miata, especially with a helmet.

@Anonymously92

Жыл бұрын

Same, I've been waiting for this one for months!! Thank you Everyday Driver!

I love this comparison as I used to think about swapping my 2013 BRZ for a Cayman before I bought my S2000.

Quality video boys. Really great keep it up! But.. there is another mid engined entry level car which you forgot: MR2 (SW20 is my choice). Sure not comparable in terms of power/weight but still loads of fun

Out of all the comparisons this is the one we didn't know we needed, 86 vs old Cayman, they are both so amazing ❤️ And I also agree that unlike a daily car that you have to keep replacing for a newer model for safety and tech, a fun car is basically timeless if kept on good condition 🌚❤️

@novakillbones2140

Жыл бұрын

I think it would be a very strange man who would test drive a new BRZ/GR86 and still think the old one was good enough.

Love this show you guys are amazing keep up the great work thank you for all the great videos

Great idea for a comparison.

I was 16 when the Cayman S was introduced. 17 years later and the 987.2 S is still my dream car. I am currently planning to buy a GR86 in 2024. My heart tells me to get the Cayman S but my brain tells me to get the GR86.

@chanjasonsk

2 ай бұрын

What’d you get

I loved this piece. Since you referenced that it would be coming out a few months ago, I was on the edge of my seat waiting. I'm currently cross-shopping these along with the ND2... I think I need all three.

@rksyt838

Жыл бұрын

KPC on the 2022's makes a difference! Like a double-power rear LSD. Do exit some tighter corners with it. I think it adds to the smiles-per-hour factor of the ND2.

@Nick-hz2kl

Жыл бұрын

Porsche badges on the GR . Problem solved

@moneymoney733

Жыл бұрын

Go with the Cayman S. Get a Wavetrac LSD and you'll be in heaven. The LSD will help even more when it comes to cornering. I have one...I've put a lot into it. Over 40k. A lot of GT3 parts including a GT3 break master cylinder. It brings the break paddle a bit closer to your foot as well. Heal and toe becomes even easier. I also have stainless steel break lines. Suspension wise;I have a full JRZ coilovers set up with GT3 control arms and much more other stuff. One last thing I'll add..it has a tune from E.V.M.S basically adds the feel of a sport plus button. Mine has the sport button,but tune gives it that little bit of extra. Adds power to 309hp as well. There is a higher probability that you will lose money on the GR86 because it's a new car. Just like everything was high in price couple years ago...for the next couple of years to come things will continue to go down. I have a 986S as well. I'm not biased Porsche is just better. Even the 986S is better in every way than the GR86. I worked for Toyota and I also worked at a joint Ferrari Maserati and Lamborghini dealership. Modern classics are the best drivers cars. Best of luck...Porsche all the way. Best cars in the World.

@BMWWolf

Жыл бұрын

Loved my ND with an upgraded suspension but if the 86 existed, I would have went for that

The fact the 86 is even compared to the Porsche says a lot!! Ownership costs are real…

@EverydayDriver excellent thorough comparison video! You covered pros and cons of both vehicles and gave us real seat time experiences that give people great info on decision making when buying similar cars. I currently own and drive a 1995 Porsche 911 (993) cabriolet and have owned and driven similar Toyota, Honda and BMW cars. My decision to buy the Porsche was mostly based on the artful, curved look of the body of the Porsche. It's my fun car that will hold its value more over the years. Yes, it has a much higher cost to repair and maintain but since it's not my daily driver the cost for me is manageable while the experience and look is worth it to me. With that said, if I wanted a fun car that I could drive a bunch of miles with much lower maintenance costs and I didn't care as much about depreciation, then I'd buy the Toyota and I'm sure would love driving it. Cheers!

About 10 years ago you guys did a special on (Paul's) black Cayman S. That video inspired me to save up for a 981 Cayman which was just announced. I bought that car used in 2018 and haven't looked back. Best decision I've ever made and a LOT of credit goes to you guys, who showed me that Caymans were a diamond in the rough situation because no one wants them yet they are the best car Porsche makes.

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

We're honored to have been a help to you in finding a car you love. 981 Caymans are excellent. Thanks for watching and enjoying what we do!

I'd go the 86. I hate the long gearing that often plagues Porsche's. The 86 is going to be more fun at or near regular road speeds. You could own and operate one without a second thought and that's worth a lot.

@beechbonanza3895

Жыл бұрын

And park it anywhere (mostly) and not worry about getting keyed.

I had a 2007 base model Cayman back in 2016 that I picked up for $18k with 54k miles ln it. It had most of its major maintenance done before I bought it and it was a super fun car while I had it. I do miss it sometimes.

Thank you Everyday. Always enterteiment and very good info

Bought a 2006 60k miles Cayman S in 2010 for 26K $usd. Best car ever. Mid engine rwd 6MT will all the options. Only reason I got rid of it is because I got an r8 2012 later. Still miss the Cayman. Best sports car ever

Really great episode, guys! Me, personally, I'd probably go for the GR86, but that's simply based on the fact that I don't like the idea of buying used cars, especially a used sports car where I really have to worry about how the previous owner(s) treated it. Just kind of OCD like that, and I'll willingly pay the increased cost for a new car over a used one (even though it means there's a lot of cars I'll never get to experience being that they're out of my budget new).

@marcpasquinelli2548

9 ай бұрын

And as Todd said, the cost of ownership of a *used* Porsche is daunting to say the least, even if it's extremely well-sorted and was taken care of.

The non-S Cayman 2.7L probably would have been a fairer comparison. In Australia, 987 Caymans are still pretty expensive, too.

@aloysiusvo318

Жыл бұрын

why expensive?

@chipattack912

Жыл бұрын

@@aloysiusvo318 it’s same in the US. The used car market is still out of whack from the global parts shortage caused by the pandemic. 987.2 Cayman S is going for $45k+ still

@muzungu9625

10 ай бұрын

In Australia GR is 50k vs Cayman, cheapest model 153k aud 3x more expensive

I originally wanted a 987 Cayman but started watching reviews of the 981 which is a fair chunk of change more. I then realized the Boxster was introduced a year earlier and after driving a 2013 Boxster S I was hooked. The car is much stiffer, is lighter, makes more power (315 stock) and weighs 66 pounds less than its predecessor the 987. The interior is a major upgrade from the 987. With just a tune and K&N filters mine now makes Cayman GTS power - 340hp. 270 lbft is plenty for a 3000 lb car as I’ve lightened it 50 lbs with an exhaust and lithium battery and taking the gear out of the frunk. Mine had a few miles so was only 43,000, and to me worth far more. The car is built on the same assembly line as the 911 and has many of the same parts. It’s built to the same standard but costs half as much. I will NEVER sell this car. The turn in, brakes and handling are unreal. It’s more than fast enough for the street - 0-60 4.3/12.4 qtr (PDK) and still gets 30+ mpg on the highway. Yearly maintenance with a Quick Jack is an easy afternoon job. The drive axles and cam chain are lifetime components. Beg borrow or steal to get one, there really is no substitute.

@drewmorg.

Жыл бұрын

981 is a beast generation and PDK makes it even juicier.

Thank you for addressing the RTV and IMS crap. So blown out of proportion.

Great video! In the end where you mention "proud to own" I think we all must admit the Porsche is in a league of its own. Ive owned Toyota's and they are great but pride seldom factors in. I have not owned a Porsche, but I have dreamed of it and when I do I will definitely feel proud!

When I was first looking into purchasing my first sports car, Everyday Driver's series on their hot lava FRS was what convinced me to purchase my FRS. Now looking for something different, this may end up convincing me to purchase a Cayman lol

The first gen Cayman is also one of the most beautiful cars Porsche has ever made. The way the roofline dives between the wheel arches is still gorgeous a decade and a half later.

@ashokathegreat4534

Жыл бұрын

The 1st generation porsche cayman is one of the ugliest cars ever made

@enriquejackson2843

10 ай бұрын

Driving dynamics are unmatched... Porsche ...there is no substitute!

@xRockee

8 ай бұрын

what are you smoking its ugly as sin

I really loved this video. You guys inspired me to buy my 987.1 Cayman S (6 speed manual, Sport Chrono, PASM). I've loved every minute of ownership over the last 8 months. It feels like a special occasion every time I drive it. I actually bought a set of the same tires that you guys had (Bridgestone RE71RS). They are definitely overkill for the street, but tons of fun at autocross. I have them in a pretty huge size, 255/35/19 front and 285/35/19 on some forged Apex wheels. I recently did some brake maintenance and they feel amazing after fresh high temp fluid, Hawk HPS 5.0 pads, and stainless steel brake lines. Keep it up. I would love it if you guys did a group drive or track day in Washington State. I really need to check out the Ridge after doing a bit more maintenance, and address the oil starvation issues on track (deeper oil pan with baffles).

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed this. We’re honored to have been a part of you finding your Cayman S. Thanks for watching!

I love these dudes breakdown on both cars 🚗

I got my used 987.2 cayman S because of you guys 10 years ago. Today the car is worth the exact same amount I paid for it and I still get compliments about the car everywhere I go. Funny thing is that I’m about to get a used Cayenne e-hybrid because of another one of your videos 😂

Ooh same tires even, love that.

@captainvector

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Tires can make a big difference. Not often do reviews level the playing field like this.

Perfect video. I’d contemplated ordering a GR86 but due to work missed the chance as they sold out in 🇬🇧 within something like 90 minutes. I have a base Cayman 2.9 gen2, fantastic car for the road, so not too upset at missing out on the Toyota. Cayman just needs CarPlay installation and I can’t think of any reason to change it until I can afford a 718 GTS 4.0 😋

@coachcoopfitness

Жыл бұрын

Exact same spot here, I have a 987 and would love car play and a few more modifications, but opting to wait until I can afford and justify a 991 or 718 haha

@kamronseeram3488

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty easy to swap out the head unit! I have wireless apple CarPlay in my 987.2!

Hey guys great video and a comparison ivr thought of and happy to watch. Would love to see the GR86 against a Mustang GT 2016 or newer with pp1 or pp2! Same price point.

You guys have the most realistic, driver centric, car reviews of any motoring journalists. Bravo!

@EverydayDriver

9 ай бұрын

Thank you. We’re thrilled to hear our approach resonates with you!

It'd be interesting to see how this would pan out with a base 987 Cayman. I daily drive a 987.2 PDK base Cayman and I absolutely love it.

@jeremiahviera6914

Жыл бұрын

what’s the maintenance lookin like?

@kamronseeram3488

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremiahviera6914 Very good so far! The only big thing I did was the purely preventative was the PDK service. I did an oil change and spark plugs myself (both extremely easy) and that's it!

@turnerables

Жыл бұрын

Looking for an 987.2 manual later in the year. Only finding 987.1s right now though

@exile9796

9 ай бұрын

​@@kamronseeram3488 Really considering 987.2 pdk after a few years. How is the maintenance after those 7 months? I would like to hear some of your thoughts and advice

@kamronseeram3488

9 ай бұрын

@@exile9796 I've actually had the car for 19 months now and it's been great! Aside from the preventative maintenance it's just an oil change and that's about it!

Oh your timing is impeccable. Love it.

@ctupton

Жыл бұрын

What about a 35k used 911 vs the 86?

That transition shot at 4:30 was excellent - really shows the similarities.

This is maybe the 2nd or 3rd video I’ve seen from you. When you said “I’m leaning towards the Porsche” I was like “great, prob just bc it’s a Porsche” Then you hit me immediately with “…and no it’s not just because of the badge” I started cackling. Earned a sub

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

Glad to have you with us, thank you!

this is the exact comparison I am making right now... heavily leaning cayman ngl

I traded my low mileage Cayman s 6 speed for a 22 BRZ . Couldn't be happier. Mainly because of the maintenance fears .. I thoroughly flog my cars and the BRZ make me smile with the traction control off and on actually .. .. A point that I feel was missed is rainy day traction control on Cayman will let you throw it out just a bit more BRZ seams to step in a little sooner. ... There is a spot in the Cayman under snap back the front end pushes were the BRZ is a joy drifting just can't stop smiling .. under 6000 miles so far and should probably put a 3rd set of rear tires on ...

@fishgeeks3190

Жыл бұрын

Great video as always guys

Always great reviews guys. Lol looks like it WAS a beautiful day up at mirror lake.

Thinking about having a mid-lifr crisis just so I can get a GR86. Want one that's the same color and same wheels even. Great videos, just found you yesterday and subscribed.

Great comparison. When I replaced my ND Miata, I wasn’t considering the GR86 (new one wasn’t out yet anyway), but I would have considered the Toyota Supra. Thankfully, the lack of a manual (at the time) nixed that, and I found a Cayman R for the same price (just before the market went nuts). I absolutely love the Cayman R for all the reasons you noted and more (lighter weight, more power, upgraded brakes). If you were to compare a Cayman R with proper upgrades and a manual Supra, I believe the outcome would be very similar to this comparo. Both great cars, but the Cayman R is special.

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

Cayman R is definitely special. Thanks for watching!

@100PROOF-G

Жыл бұрын

@@EverydayDriver what exhaust is on that Cayman? Good LORD! pleeeease reply

@BedroomBeethovens

Жыл бұрын

Thinking about trading in my low mileage ND Miata for a Cayman. Hmmmm.....

@andyordonez5223

Жыл бұрын

@@BedroomBeethovens I loved my ND - autox, track days, daily driver - every drive was just pure fun, and I do miss top-down driving. When I first got my Cayman R, it seemed almost like more of a "production" to take it out as a daily, just because it didn't feel like a toy. However, I've now gotten used to it, but the ND is still more "playful" for a short drive. All that being said, absolutely no regrets on the change. I'm not sure the Cayman is any faster around corners, but it's certainly faster accelerating and cut 4-7 seconds off my lap times (depending on circuit).Steering feel is even better (hydraulic on 987), clutch is definitely heavier, shifter feels more mechanical (which I love), and way more storage between the frunk and under the hatch. Bottom line is that you likely won't regret getting the Porsche. One more thing, the maintenance, tires, brakes, etc. are all about 50% more expensive . . . but that is expected!

@BedroomBeethovens

Жыл бұрын

@@andyordonez5223 thank you for the response. I drive roughly 4k miles a year. Not alot, so im just wrestling with if it's worth it in the end.

Awesome video as always. I do have to wonder, with all of the discussion related to the higher power of the Cayman S, would a base Cayman with the 2.7L engine have been a better comparison?

Many years ago I lived on the central coast in California where there are tons of back roads. I had a 94 Miata and a Cayman came up behind me. In the twisties we were matched, obviously on the straights it flew past me, but I was able to catch up through the corners. One of my favorite car moments. I now own a 2018 BRZ and I get that same kind of feeling driving it as I did with that Miata.

This intro felt very Top Gear. That was such a strong opener that I was immediately sucked in!

When it came out, I really wanted a GT86/BRZ but my budget wouldn't reach. In the end I found a Porsche 968. TBH I think the torque of the 968 is what makes it a good choice and for a 30 year old, it feels old school but modern enough. Having said that, I'd love a Cayman (even though the 968 is way more practical space wise)

The answer to the question, which car do you choose "excluding costs" I would say is dependent on where you live. Here in torque country "switzerland" where we have some of the most impressive and famous mountain passes in the world connecting us to germany, italy, and france via the alps. We do not have alot of straight roads, you live in the low gear high rpm speed range of around 30Kmh to 100Kmh. Tried and tested with in my circle of petrol heads, the GR86 comes out ahead of the Cayman S, infact the Cayman has troubles keeping up with a Fiesta STx MK8.5 and a Mazda MX5 ND RF. It seems that by the time the car gets to the speed and rpm to change gear, it needs to break for the next corner.

I was car shopping back in early 2021 and was in the same boat, wondering if I should get an ND or a GT86. On the way home from shopping around I decided to checkout a meteor grey 08 Cayman S, funnily enough it has the same aftermarket led running lights as the one in the video. Long story short I showed up 2 days, picked up the car and have been daily driving it without a regret ever since

I have a 987.1 S that I daily. It's a super fun car, lacks a lot of low end torque, but makes up for it when you're up in the rev range. That GR86 looks really fun as well, as a modern rendition of a purist car - it ticks off the boxes.

Thanks, I’m actually debating this very scenario right now. I think I’m going GR86 when I can find one. One thing you mentioned but didn’t talk about too much was maintenance, but warranty and cost of maintenance are going to be my deciding factor. Plus, I already have a 99 Boxster.😊

@wg4476

Жыл бұрын

Even if maintenance cost wasn't a factor, I would probably still choose the 86 just because it feels more playful at any speed.

@Lucky008aau

Жыл бұрын

If you're considering maintenance, also consider depreciation.

Great comparison guys, very appropriate. The convertible flip side of this would be a Boxster vs. the Lotus Elise, also a great comparison…

@porkchopexpress6969

Жыл бұрын

Not really, the Boxster feels absolutely pedestrian compared to a Elise..

@d.nakamura9579

Жыл бұрын

@@porkchopexpress6969 I was gonna say! I’d imagine that the GR86/981s Cayman comparison would be far more apples->apples than an Elise -> 981 Boxster. One look at the respective interiors and external dimensions should tell all. The Elise is a essentially a track car, and would be a TERRIBLE DD. Weekend driver at best.

@wg4476

Жыл бұрын

@@porkchopexpress6969 the non turbo boxter felt lethargic to me amd less playful even when comparing to the modern ND or GR86

@porkchopexpress6969

Жыл бұрын

@@wg4476 Right. I never quite understood the Boxster/ cayman love. They must be nice daily’s. I know most people will never get a chance to get in both but there really is no comparison. The Elise, especially supercharged is a weapon. If you get into a boxster s or cayman s after driven a lotus, they will feel like you got into a Toyota Camry. But I’ve never driven a turbo or gt model so I could be missing something.

@wiegraf9009

Жыл бұрын

Elise is way out of this price range AFAIK

The unicorn cayman never showed up but my unicorn 86 allocation did and I couldn't be happier.

Great video! Gr86 vs S2000 next please!

I looked half last winter for a Cayman S manual Transmission for reasonable money..ideally a 2011or 12. Didn't find one. Then I thought to myself, a BRZ in my urban environment, stored outdours with a 7 year extended warranty might be a better fit....for a lot less money. I am very plesed with the BRZ. It is fun. I am not racing anybody, just looking for an engaging car to drive. Best bang for the buck fun car I can think of. In Canada MSRP for the base model is $22,500 USD. I have my winter tires, got it rust proofed, gave it a coat of wax bought some Tuxmats...I am all set. I don't ever have to deal with a Porsche maintenance receipt or worse a Porsche dealer service dept.....How much for that thermostat?? I won't be judged by the envious stranger getting in and out of it. I do love the Cayman though. Beautiful design. I just don't want to take care of one in the environment I live in. Liberating to not have a precious material object.

Just because you can buy it doesnt mean you can afford it. Wait until you have to fix something on that Porsche compared to the gr86

interesting and fun comparison!...love the mountain roads you guys are driving on....can you share about where those are? Even the State? Thanks and keep up the great work!

@CrappyCar

Жыл бұрын

They are in Utah.

Change of subject ! What a beautiful backdrop to a very interesting video .👍🇦🇺❤️

Another great comparison. I love that you guys do original/unique stuff and not the same cookie cutter videos from other creators

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

We appreciate you noticing and liking what we do. Thanks for watching!

I was faced with a similar dilemma about a year ago. I couldn't wait to drive a GR86. But I had driven a 996 a few months before. Seeing as how it was hard to even find a GR86, and that someone in my small town had already bought a blue GR86, I went with a Red 99 996. I'm not afraid to get it sideways in gravel, or take it on an 8 hour road trip. And the feeling is like no other. I hope when Chance gets his 996 sorted, you can do a comparison! But if I had to do it over, I would have bought the best Boxter I could find, because I miss the convertible I had in my previous Miatas.

Funny enough, I cross-shopped a (used) Cayman and a brand-new BRZ when the BRZ was launched. I was lucky enough that an acquaintance won whichever lottery Subaru had back then and had one of the first pre-release BRZs delivered to the east coast. We met up and traded vehicles, drove each other's cars around for a while. Later on, I invited him to attend a track day at Summit Point, one of his first if I recall correctly. There was absolutely no comparing the level of interior, luxury, ride quality, power, or performance of the two. The Cayman slayed the BRZ in every way. Now, over a decade later, the Cayman has been gone for years and I've had with a 2017 BRZ as my weekend + track car for the past several years.

Coincidentally, I was looking at obtaining one of these 2 cars or a low mileage s2000. I chose the S2k, but definitely can’t go wrong with any of them. Some of the best drivers cars ever made for the money.

My vote goes with the Cayman, more old school, mechanical. Though perhaps a base model would have been a more fair comparison on the power side. Nonetheless, I think the design of these two drivers cars is just great. The 987 ages very well. In think the 86 will also. Keep these excellent reviews coming.

@mengx94

Жыл бұрын

The perfect garage ornament

Ten years ago I bought a 987S in the same color as the one in this video. I watched countless videos, and it was Everyday Driver's feature on it that put me over the edge to buy the thing. It was my daily driver for 6 years, amazing car.

@GottaGoOutside

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was Paul’s piece on his 987.1 that helped me chose this one!

This is exactly the debate I was having prior to purchasing a new GR. In Neptune as well. Great review. Btw, what are the specs on your wheel & tire setup? The gold looks amazing.

@EverydayDriver

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them. They are 18x8 with a 45m offset. Thanks for watching!

Get both. I have a 16 BRZ for a daily and a 981 base for weekend run. Both cars make me smile.

I can transport two (2) Siberian Huskies in the back of the BRZ with the rear seats folded down. Doesn't seem like an option with the 987 Cayman. Other than the small hatch, they did a good job with the back of the 86/BRZ. ToyoBuru marketing always mentions "you can carry a set of race tires with the rear seats folded down" lol

Ouch! Noticed Cayman got a bent rim recently @ 10:25 mark 1 oclock position.. Hopefully that didn't introduce a wobble at high speeds.

Todd getting it again right...I agree with your choice...when teh fun is equal , you have to look also for the costs... 👍

I daily a V8 vantage and track a modified JDM SW20 MR2 Turbo, also used to own a GT86 that I tracked regularly. The Cayman is an incredible car.

Wow! 18:11 That was a fantastic shot of the overtake by the Mclaren Senna

@davekashuba4730

Жыл бұрын

That's the next car they are comparing against the GR86. It'll be an equally tough decision.

@mainscrizz

Жыл бұрын

@@davekashuba4730 😂