I hadn't thought about it before, but has anyone else noticed that we've been saying things like "the last of the rwd manual sports cars" for like 20 years now?

@nejcmrakrelax

Жыл бұрын

And the last v12 for about 10 😂

@findmeifyoucan

Жыл бұрын

Well with gas prices through the roof and governments trying to ban petrol vehicles, it's definitely on the horizon..

@kdpwt

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I mean, this car has been around for 10 years lol, and rwd has been diminishing since fwd existed

@nonstopper

Жыл бұрын

It never ends. Car journalist all regurgitate the same garbage the other one says

@mjbakedbeans

Жыл бұрын

@@nejcmrakrelax the v12 is one it’s way out, I believe the next aventador will have hybrid assistance

There's such an unbelievable amount of demand for RWD manual cars that there's no reason they should stop making them. Engines keep getting more efficient each year, and it makes economic sense for companies with a motorsport division to keep making them. The 86/BRZ competitions are very accessible for amateur drivers, and it would be idiotic to throw away all the hard work that built that up over the decades.

@darrenmathias9384

Жыл бұрын

Politicians particularly in Europe secure seats by promising tighter regulations on ICEs. The majority of general public there dont care about the legacy of RWD sports cars

@pan4632

Жыл бұрын

yup. I don't see this formula going anywhere until ICE is completely banned, if that even happens. All this "last rwd manual" stuff is nonsense.

@ChrisBa303

Жыл бұрын

Lawmaker emissions standards are getting so tight even honda would have had to pay huge fines in 2021 if they wouldnt have partnered with Tesla.

@harris7963

Жыл бұрын

Toyota will unveil RWD EVs in their future EV lineup.

@tezzasaurusrex

Жыл бұрын

Sadly this is not true. There's unfortunately never been a lesser demand for sports cars. High R&D costs, low sales figures, emissions etc has put massive question mark on the future of sports cars. Combine that with the fact that too many so called enthusiasts never buy new cars you have even lesser attractive sports car prospect for manufacturers.

Supra gets a lot of hate but its smaller, lighter, more agile and with far far better weight balance vs the 2JZ motor predecessor. B58 engine can also handle lots of boost and is reliable.

@a7a416

Жыл бұрын

it's become a trend to hate the supra sadly

@mr.coolio4321

Жыл бұрын

I don't hate the new supra, only the mk4. In saying that, however, the gr supra is still quite hefty for its size, but it is a bmw at the end of the day

@sunnyvalentino

Жыл бұрын

That's what enthusiasts do, nit pick everything and buy used. When the 2JZ Supra came out it didn't sell and got a lot of hate, so did the original NSX. This is a car we will look back and regret we didn't buy, esp the manual.

@aidarhelpswithenglish4160

Жыл бұрын

Toyota makes money, guys. That's what automakers do. When you are a top manager and walk in the room with the bosses, are they here for hearing how Toyota is doing in urban tuners culture? No. They are here to hear if they are doing okay in sales, and stable and far from bankruptcy. They've been bitten in the ass when developing LFA for 10 years only to flop badly, losing a billion dollars (really, a billion) . They lost a lot of time and money, and came out with negative balance. Toyota goes with safe options and high sales. Those ould be family saloons, and hatchbacks. And can we blame them and hate then at the end of the day

@SmallBlogV8

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure any car from 30 years ago is really meant to be the main reference point for the performance and refinement of a brand new car, shared name badges or not...

"So now lets have a little civil war" Most british thing ever.

They need to make more GR86's!

@Fastvoice

Жыл бұрын

Toyota wanted it to be rare.

@buffering7612

Жыл бұрын

@@Fastvoice dirtbags

@popsbubbles1242

Жыл бұрын

Yes agreed selling out in 1.30 is ridiculous.

@KiraOniiChan

Жыл бұрын

There's still 2 people ahead of me in line for a GR86. So close to having one lol

@magnustan841

Жыл бұрын

They will, if more people buy it new, not just thank Toyota for making it and wait for them to trickle on the market, depreciate and enthusiasts pick one up for buttons.

I picked up my manual GR86 a couple months ago and I still love it every time I get into it. It’s such an amazing car!

@pk1342

Жыл бұрын

I'm 7 years in to gt86 ownership and still feel the same every time I get in. Congratulations on the GR. Enjoy driving a bonafide classic!

@scootergrant8683

Жыл бұрын

@@pk1342 Is it true that it feels like a good sports car not something made good by the tech and lots of power?

@williamcricket7931

Жыл бұрын

Are you from America?

@pk1342

Жыл бұрын

@@scootergrant8683 it feels like a driver's car. Quite raw by modern standards. Nice steering feel and you can feel the chassis rotate around you. The tactile sensations improve the faster you go as well making it more alive the harder you push. great interior ergonomics for driving position and pedal position.

@bura4579

Жыл бұрын

@@williamcricket7931 yeah I currently live in the United States.

I’m a tradie and I get to drive my manual rear wheel drive Toyota Hiace everyday. It even makes cool turbo sounds from its Diesel engine. It also only has one driving mode from the factory. 😂

@khish7

Жыл бұрын

Straya mate

@trianggaindralukmana2184

Жыл бұрын

We also love the hiace 1kd engine. Its powerful yet comfort too

@beyondthelol

Жыл бұрын

love turning the traction control off in the ranger on a wet day lol

I love that they kept that handbrake lever on the GR86 👏

So sick that they made a manual version of the Supra 🔥🔥

@purwantiallan5089

Жыл бұрын

R19 Robbin, ever test drive the NA tune of Supra?

@damarfadlan9251

Жыл бұрын

@@purwantiallan5089 i ever drove this Supra beforehand.

@damarfadlan9251

Жыл бұрын

@@purwantiallan5089 and man the Supra is fast.

@damarfadlan9251

Жыл бұрын

@@purwantiallan5089 even on Stock trim.

@mrstrawcloud8594

Жыл бұрын

Thanks to the new Z

Its Good to see Toyota back!

@fathifathi490

Жыл бұрын

You mean BMW and subaru

@godzilla_area5111

Жыл бұрын

@@fathifathi490 come on man don’t give them a hard time the MR4 wasn’t a Toyota it was a Yamaha

@i8yourDog

Жыл бұрын

@@fathifathi490 ok and?

@fathifathi490

Жыл бұрын

@@godzilla_area5111 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@bruh-ib5hz

Жыл бұрын

@@fathifathi490 2020 called, they want their joke back

These are actually super under rated from the factory. US spec ones are dynoing at 210-215 wheel horsepower and 170-175 ft pounds. Using 15% drivetrain loss, this works out to about 247-252 flywheel horsepower and 200-205 foot pounds of torque at the flywheel. So they make about 25 hp and 15 ft pounds more than even they say it does lol

@moldyrefrigerator

3 ай бұрын

That makes sense, because the 2.0L (FA20) in the GT86 made 205hp, or 102.5hp/liter. Now utilizing all the same engine technology and techniques, the GR86 increased the displacement to 2.4L by increasing bore size. There’s no reason it shouldn’t still be making 102.5hp/liter….So 102.5hp * 2.4 = 246hp for the GR86/‘22+ BRZ. 228hp advertised is almost certainly sandbagging the actual number.

Great to see Toyota collaborating to build cars for drivers. GR86 wins this one for me, more pure design and nimble handling.

@teisguitar_old

Жыл бұрын

hell yea man, it's my Dream car

@justryan5697

Жыл бұрын

Also way cheaper

"The supra felt lazy and heavy" So like a Supra then?

@steadyboost7

Жыл бұрын

Right? Supras were always GT cars. This newest one is just lighter than the 2 previous models.

@suprarcjpop545

Жыл бұрын

Exactly mate. I own a MKIV and gven its lineage it was always a straight 6 GT car. I have an auto TT and it is a great cruiser. So many knobs think they are 1000bhp monsters.

@jacksquat1265

Жыл бұрын

Real talk

@philippwetter

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 Would be a 1000bhp monster once you spend another 30-40k grand haha

@MizzouRah78

Жыл бұрын

I'm no car review analyst, but I don't feel that way about mine at all. Granted, I also don't track it...

Considering the power level and engine size, the supra is lightweight for its class.

@LamborghiniBrotha1

Жыл бұрын

Right lol. It weighs 3400 Ibs…I’d consider that light in todays age.

3.5 years later and I still love my BRZ every time I get in it and drive! (despite the torque dip)

@Sindalis1

Жыл бұрын

5+ years for me. Still brings a smile to my face every time I take it out, even for just a trip to the shops.

@MrLikeaboss71

Жыл бұрын

torque dip can be easily fixed with headers and a tune mate, equal or unequal length, buy secondhand and used openflash tablet, easy fix under $1000

@TheG60528XiJinPing

Жыл бұрын

Turbo or 2.4 will do that right up for ya

@Ajuna100

Жыл бұрын

Going on 7 years with my Monogram Spec FRS but looking to upgrade to the GR86/BRZ in the near future.

@carlmanu

7 ай бұрын

OFT tune, carbon fiber driveshaft and dip’s gone!

Manual is the way to go. Love it.

Other than pushing the end of petrol cars, good video. Thank-you TOYOTA for helping to #SaveTheManuals. 10 years ago I wouldn't have guessed TOYOTA would be helping to save performance cars and manual transmission vehicles. WELL DONE TOYOTA. I might purchase both to help keep cars like these alive!.

@UMPride9NCs

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure they were forced to by Nissan.

@civiccrewrojosi

Жыл бұрын

@@UMPride9NCs Thank-you Nissan for - #Savethemanuals

@boi5599

Жыл бұрын

Toyota also is keeping the luxury V8 sedan alive aswell! Their new lexus IS comes with a V8 option (IS500)

Got a grey GR86 on the 2nd of September, I believe it was one of the last brand new ones sold in the UK, it's brilliant fun, the dash everything it needs to say

@ChrisMisMYhandle

7 ай бұрын

I've got one arriving in 3 weeks. Maybe I'm part of the last allocation.

People here in the states are reselling their gr86 at insane prices, absolute crime

Wish we can have a car that Toyota builds, Mazda tunes the suspension and designs the exterior with Honda providing the engine and shifter.

@benoitbricet8885

Жыл бұрын

This is very probably ongoing Right now. The gt3 concept with it's long hood is screaming Mazda collaboration rx9 vibes. I believe, from my imperfect point of view, that the i3 we have in the gr Corolla and Yaris, are irl test mules for the i6 in that gt3 concept.

The 86 is just such a wonderful car there's no other car like it... It's perfect in every way, you can recline your seat and sleep the seats are so comfortable and the interior is so sound and cozy, you have plenty of room to pack up for vacation or camping. The handling makes you feel like a professional right out of the gate, the sound system is above average, the simplicity of the interior makes you feel like you're sitting in a classic, nothing overwhelming about this car, it is the perfect balance. I can't find a reason to change my daily... I couldn't live without my 86

@saltpug3996

Жыл бұрын

this is awesome to hear because i’ve recently been thinkin of trading in my corolla hatch for one and everything i’ve heard so far is definitely makin it seal the deal for me. can’t wait to finally have a fun rwd daily

@Smearrrrrrgle

Жыл бұрын

@@saltpug3996 it’s a huge step up from the previous bodystyle, I’ve sold a few them.

@davepaturno4290

Жыл бұрын

If it's not a drop-top or targa, it can never be the perfect sportscar for me. Once you have that open air feeling while driving on a curvy country road, you'd never want to go back to a solid roof vehicle, no matter how light it is.

@HowellDiesel

Жыл бұрын

@@davepaturno4290 i feel you on that

@shaggyman8564

Жыл бұрын

There is one car better than the 86 and it's the BRZ

They finally released a 6 speed Supra...... I'm sold.

@suprarcjpop545

Жыл бұрын

Not a great investment. Universally panned as a Z4 wearing a legends badge. It is actually embarrassing they think a "Type A90" is an evolution of the actual Supra lineage. Toyota has never made an A90 platform like they did with the actual A80. A70 etc etc

@CarlosRangel

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 my '21 supra hasn't gone down in value at all since I bought it, it's actually a fantastic investment right now especially in this market.

@suprarcjpop545

Жыл бұрын

@@CarlosRangel If you think that do not invest in anything else or you will be broke.

Thanks, you confirmed what I also concluded about the GR86. I just bought one and I am totally loving it. Ya just can't drive the 86 without smiling. It is soo much fun.

The manual Supra looked wild and fast.

@suprarcjpop545

Жыл бұрын

Manual Z4

@SamotLS7

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 I don’t see a Z4 badge, that’s crazy

@Aaronfunethebarber

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 manual Subaru

@le-mon

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 if they didn't collab with BMW we wouldn't have any supra

@Shaxzara

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 u r under every comment crying, get a life kid 💀

Can you please pat the shift knob in the Supra a little harder?

@Juicebag99

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying what we were all thinking lol

Well done. Toyota is killing it! These 2 cars are definitely on the short list. Now I just hope I am able to get one in at MSRP.

@suprarcjpop545

Жыл бұрын

Toyota isn't killing anything with the Z4upra or 86. The Z4upra has tanked after the world got to know it was just another worthless BMW

@MizzouRah78

Жыл бұрын

​@@suprarcjpop545 LOL. What a hater. I'd love to hear how it's worthless...

@isKuzan

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 you must be a lil boy

@alandonglei

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 sadly not as you wished, Supra actually been selling really good tho

@luksa3084

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 cry

this is like a GR86 sales ad with the manual supra mentioned as a side note...This is more like "Reverse Gear"

Got mine last month. What a great car! What is also great about it is if toyota doesn't have parts (which they don't currently where I am at) you can always get parts from subaru

So how transplantable to the (IMO very pretty) Z4 is this manual transmission?

Literally only person that has complained about the Supra. Car is properly balanced and is a solid sports car. Having the 6spd option just makes it much better.

@SlickSniper3

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. This journalist is just a shill talking non sense. Top gear is proper shit now.

@Jimbos_a_Zed

Жыл бұрын

The B58 is far better suited to the zf8 in my opinion. Definitely in the BMW's I've driven. Not sure what box this is though

have the GR86 and I love it, amazing car and definitley refined from the first gen 86

Still love my 13 FRS, but I'd love a gt4 version with the gr Yaris engine.

GR86 uses the same cruise control lever as my 8 year old Hilux. I guess the Toyota parts bin is well engineered so everything just works. I know it's not a sports car but every single thing on my Hilux works. Like the day it was new. It has never failed to start. And I've given it some shit. I live on a farm, it's off road and on road every single day. I got to hand it to Toyota, if they have made these sports cars as well as their old pickups they'll go on for ever.

@Momo_8k

Жыл бұрын

20 yes ago, I had the same cruise stalk in my 1991 MR2…

@richardhoulton4016

Жыл бұрын

The old fashioned cruise control actually works just fine. If it ain’t broke…

@christiangallagher1689

Жыл бұрын

@@richardhoulton4016 ... don't fix it. Same here in the 2011 Prius with 200k miles without a glitch. Toyota simply makes superb cars.

@MScotty90

Жыл бұрын

What year is your Hilux? I have a 2008 Tacoma and I've always wondered about the level of parts commonality between the two.

@typhoon-7

Жыл бұрын

@@MScotty90 it's a 2014 but the model year started 2008 and facelifted in 2012. So much of it is 2008 vintage too!

VS GR Yaris, I really want to see a threeway battle between the GR badge models

OK comes across as a bit of a local journalist who's dad knew a bloke at top gear magazine. A great persona for publishing magazines.

Guy is a wrangler on that shifter :o Glad I got my GR86, amazing car!

I mean the Mk4 Supra was not a sports car, it was a GT compared to the other Japanese competition. It's a beast for drag race and touring. If you wanted a light sports car you went for the RX7. The Nissan and Mitsubishi options kinda split the difference. We act like the Mk4 was the RX7 lol.

@theangryMD

Жыл бұрын

True that and I'm flabbergasted that this point is not mentioned more often. Yes the following cars here from Japan in the 90s were awesome: RX7, 3000GT, WRX, Evo, Celica, Prelude, S2000, Miata, MR-2, Supra, 300ZX; but they were often nothing alike (eg Miata or MR2 vs. 3000GT or 300ZX) and these days you'll see people comparing Miatas to GR86s...like, what?!?!

@ChrisSoignier

Жыл бұрын

Go look up the weights of these in twin turbo configs in their last years. The Supra was lighter than all but the RX-7.

@BrainFuck10

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@ChrisSoignierso? 3500lbs is still heavy

@BrainFuck10

9 ай бұрын

LC500 is the new Supra

the GR86 is 6.4 seconds in AT My MT GR with wider tires does 0-60 5.6s avg

Got the 2014 gt86 and I absolutely love it, looking to upgrade this year, I just can't stop thinking about getting the new one, is it worth getting the new one will I feel much of a difference especially with the slightest stronger engine?

@Cressida024

Жыл бұрын

Good question ⁉️ I have a 13 FRS. Intake, headers, exhaust, etc running on e85 and I'm worried the new version with only a slight increase in power will be less fun

GR86/BRZ is so GOOD

Who else thought he was going to talk about how the Supra transmission feels like?

love the design. bully and elegant at the same time

A manual supra in yellow or a manual gr86 in white are definitely some options for me in the future. I hope they sell a decent amount of both in the uk so I can get them used for a bit cheaper eventually

@Cressida024

2 ай бұрын

Did you pick either one up yet?

The seat design is very reminiscent of the seats in the Gen 6 Celicas 👌🏽

I cant get my hands on a gr86 they need to make more

@Barbwire710

Жыл бұрын

My local dealer (USA) has a 10 person waiting list. Had to get BRZ.

Interesting: this is one of the most aggressive reviewers of the car. Meanwhile, a lot of other magazines had much better things to say about the original MK5 supra. As an owner, and an owner of a fair bit of other sports cars, this reviewer is way off the mark with the comments about the car being lazy and feeling heavy. First, it weighs less than nearly every other car in its class and it has quite quick and twitchy steering. My gripe is that it is too twitchy and takes away confidence in the turns / switchbacks. I felt more confidence in driving my F80 than I do in the Supra, BUT the Supra has some nice bits to the experience (like the exhaust) that compensate for the twitchyness at the limit.

@Ober1kenobi

Жыл бұрын

He is trying to appeal to a certain part of the audience, it’s kinda pathetic though

@skip741x3

Жыл бұрын

@@Ober1kenobi came across that way to me as well.. it was like anGR86 infomercial... more than heavily biased..

@leolopez626

Жыл бұрын

So true can’t believe he said ~3300lbs is heavy I hope he understands we’re lucky to get anything under two tons now a days 😂

@spdandpwr

Жыл бұрын

@@leolopez626 Top Gear went downhill

@sanjoriot

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you could use a different alignment if it’s that twitchy?

Good, enthusiastic presenting! 👏🏼

Loved the correction while talking @ 3:34 👍👌

The fact that they didn't stuffed the interior with piano black is remarkable.

Don’t understand how happy I am that Toyota has listened to the community and are making good fun cars again

@suprarcjpop545

Жыл бұрын

Not Toyota, BMW and Subaru.

@zokusharuuku1091

Жыл бұрын

@@suprarcjpop545 I was talking about the Yaris and Corolla

I'm in Belgium, I ordered one in June, it should be delivered in March '23. Looking forward!

@top gear which transmission feels better ?

Toyota Supra gets my vote !

The only problem at this point are dealerships or should I say stealerships. I had to go out of state for my Neptune GR86 Premium to find a dealer that did msrp and actually had one that wasn't reserved yet. I feel it will be just as bad to get a manual Supra and I expect huge markups.

I test drove a Supra and it is fast and fancy and nice looking, but I did not feel connected to the road like I do with my 86, which is what made me fall in love with my gr

@symh7505

11 ай бұрын

yeah, i just wish the gr86 has better styling. The supra is truly beautiful

Most cars have improved in term of materials , features and design and came up more expensive. We have Supra, Nissan z, and now for similar price range they will start to compete with Lotus emira or elise :)

I just may finally get the car of my dreams the manual Toyota Supra.

I really would of thought you would of put the 4 cylinder Supra vs the GR86 that would of made more sense.

I'm getting rid of my beloved FK08 type R for a GR86. The civic is an absolute weapon, but I fine myself pining for RWD and I have to get my fix while I still can. it arrives in 3 weeks :D

Great review. I want to buy one and keep it track-ready, until they yank my license or I know its' time to put it down. I am hoping for a Brembo/Billstien package to arrive with functional aero.

@ericmarc7529

Жыл бұрын

This was not a great review.

I love the GR86/BRZ. Have an 13 FRS right now (US GT86) and I’m running it out until the last possible minute to buy a new GR as I think we might not have many choices here in the near future so I want to get one to last me a while (have a daily so these cars see few miles).

@MVolkJ

Жыл бұрын

I had a 2013 FR-S as well - until Friday! I gave the GR86 a lot of consideration, but ultimately the Supra won me over, ZF8 auto and all. Good luck with your GR86 search - they're scarce on the ground at the moment. You might actually have better luck with the BRZ (and finding one without a markup).

@EnhancedTrashBin

Жыл бұрын

@@MVolkJ Hopefully with the Nissan Z and Honda Civic Si coming it would help the GR86 hype die down so I can get one myself MSRP though yeah, I may just be leaning towards the BRZ if that is the case. Edit: also forgot about the GR corolla

@Cressida024

2 ай бұрын

​@MVolkJ Also had a 13 frs. It blew up 😢 tying to decide between these two. Manual transmission. Are you happy you spent the extra money on the supra??

Nobody is cross shopping these two cars. It would've been a lot better if you just made a separate review of both.

Have you guys look into the new Toyota Mr2 (Lotus Emira)

This was not a comparison video. This was a GR86 review. There was maybe 20secs tops about how the Supra drives

@khristoferyan

Жыл бұрын

Because the GR drove better.

@RitchieBui

Жыл бұрын

@@khristoferyan And you know that how? Video never went into a comparison

@skip741x3

Жыл бұрын

@@RitchieBui severely biased review, if u could even cal it that

Man the manual Zupra l is the best thing after the new Nissan Z

@TerrannotOP

Жыл бұрын

It’s the A90 then the Z. Nissan got gapped hard on the streets of willow.

Wasn't even a fair comparison 🤣 just a love letter to a GR86

I got lucky today and was able to buy one. It comes in next week I can’t wait to drive it

They will be coming out with the manual z4 3.0 liter engine soon as well.

GR86, a great S2K replacement. Miss that VTEC tho.

@jansenstettler4609

Жыл бұрын

Currently watching gr86 videos to see if i want to sell my s2k for one. this comment might’ve made my decision for me

@alexc7864

Жыл бұрын

@Jansen Stettler depends on the year and mileage on your s2k. If the miles are low enough and it's an 06+ I'd side for the Honda. You'll probably retain most of your money in the long run with it too. S2k prices have been on a steady climb the past few years annoyingly for me. I can't believe I could have had a low mileage club racer for under 30k just 6 years ago. Now it's just about double.

@alexc7864

Жыл бұрын

@Jansen Stettler that being said I have an order in for a gr86 so I don't think either is the wrong choice.

“ The people who make loads of dishwashers “ The disrespect. Toyota has made over 30 sports cars and sporty cars or more in their lifetime. Toyota has a very colorful racing heritage and history. Have some respect. Some People like to ignore Toyota’s history

@olivergriffiths4445

Жыл бұрын

I think he was referencing Toyota's current lineup as opposed to all the cars they have ever made.

@mariinito4291

Жыл бұрын

The most understanding and sane Toyota fanboy be like :

@xxz1434

Жыл бұрын

Toyotas are junk kzread.infotLj1up_T_cU?feature=share

Which has a better gearbox ? (I am looking for that mechanical rifle bolt feeling)

@dougrobinson8602

Жыл бұрын

I doubt you'll find it in either car. BMW's have a very smooth, non-notchy and somewhat vague shift feel. You get used to it, but it feels more luxury than sport. Aftermarket shifters from companies like UUC improve the feel. Subaru? That's all I'll say about that. I am an old guy, and I learned to drive in a 1972 Toyota Corolla. That shifter was a masterpiece. Very tight and precise, but a bit of a long throw. These days if you have a manual at all, you're doing the right thing. For a really great shifter on a new car, you probably need to look at a Civic Type R. Good luck getting one....

@christopherjohnston6343

Жыл бұрын

I haven't experienced a mechanical feeling shift like that outside of a DC2R

@Cal-El

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherjohnston6343 Ever try an SS 1LE? I feel like I’m cocking back a hand cannon

Hi, BBC's Top Gear! You have a new rider!

Should’ve had the GR Yaris/Corolla as well

Please do a comparison between the Toyota GR86 against the Ford Fiesta ST! Both world class entry level sport cars, with drastically different approaches!

@typhoon-7

Жыл бұрын

Good idea. They're about the same price and performance on paper aren't they? I'm low key hoping Ford do a Fiesta RS to be compared with the GR Yaris ....

@lawrencepll76

Жыл бұрын

@@typhoon-7 They are pretty much spot on for price. Performance was is similar, but one with a 1.5L 3cyl turbo, the other with 2.4L Inline 4 NA! Couldn’t be more different on paper, yet they are both equally great cars! Would be an interesting fight.

Is this the lightweight manual special that's only available in Europe? I think the US version only drops like 40 lbs, not 85lbs.

Call me crazy but I think the GR86 is more of a spiritual successor to the Supra than the new Supra.

Man, if you told me in 2010 that Toyota would have a really awesome sports car range by 2022, I'd laugh at you... And yet, we got the GT-86, and then the GR Yaris, the GR-86, the Supra (even with a manual gearbox now), and even a GR Corolla (even the thought of being excited to see a video about a Corolla still sounds kinda absurd... But it looks like an awesome car). I don't know what happened to Toyota, but I hope they keep it up...

@codeskhr4092

Жыл бұрын

now if they could only put their own engines in the cars it would be even better

@fnxtugboat3541

Жыл бұрын

@@codeskhr4092 this doesn't really bother me as much as it seems a lot of other people. why fix what isn't broken? They can cut costs way down by using engines that are real world tested good engines.

the 2.0T supra is the turbo 86 everyone says they want, but dont actually want.

@E9X330

Жыл бұрын

People want a Japanese car, not the MK5

@peejayem4700

Жыл бұрын

Nope, when everyone asks for a boosted 86 they’re not seeking a Grand Tourer imho

@gerglmuff

Жыл бұрын

@@peejayem4700 the supra isnt a GT car.

@peejayem4700

Жыл бұрын

@@gerglmuff Notwithstanding that Grand Tourer is referenced by Toyota in it’s own marketing and within the first sentence of Supra’s wiki page… and the fact that it’s sold in ‘GT’ form in parts of the world? Car classifications are murky at the best of times but the Supra spans the GT space imho

@gerglmuff

Жыл бұрын

@@peejayem4700 bro, the 86 is called the "GT" 86 ... and its not a GT. the supra is a z4, which isnt a grand tourer either. its way too small.

Does anyone know which track this was filmed on?

Even with sears up I got 4 tires in there with my GR86 … and I’m 6’3” … my kids hated riding around in the car and my wife didn’t like it though so I sold it. Fun car for sure but don’t expect to be fast on the track.

@lorddoosworth8175

Жыл бұрын

should have sold your wife and kept this masterpiece instead... just friendly advice 🤣🤣

Really wish they'd clean up some of the styling "vents" on the Supra. Even just the removing the vents on the doors would go a long way to cleaning up the design in my opinion.

@rulesyaface

Жыл бұрын

Or make them functional

@Briggsian

Жыл бұрын

@@rulesyaface or that

@E9X330

Жыл бұрын

@@rulesyaface not possible

@beaches2mountains230

Жыл бұрын

Yes !!! THOUGHT THE SAME...ITS NOT A MID ENGINE FOR GODS SAKE THEYRE USELESS!! WOULD LOOK ALOT CLEANER WITHOUT THEM AND MORE REMINISCENT OF THE 2JZ Supra's..Still wish it was a proper Toyo powerplant and chassis...Subaru and Toyo need to stay performance minded ESPECIALLY SINCE STUPID SUBARU CANCELLED NEW STI !!!!!!??

the GR86/BRZ along with Mazda's Miata have the world beat in the sports car realm. Affordability is a huge characteristic and key aspect of the 'fun to drive' aspect. Even if you have Supra/Nissan Z money, it would be wiser to choose the cheaper, smaller, lighter option anyway.

@ThatOnedude374

Жыл бұрын

Nobody’s picking a brz over a nissan.

@nn99nn99

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatOnedude374 I can afford a Z but I'm going with GR86. The interior of the Z is so ugly and I want a lighter car that is naturally aspirated. Also Nissan is a lame company.

@ThePilotGear

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatOnedude374 even if you have the money to spend, you might want to keep it for something else and get an incredibly enjoyable car. It's not inconceivable to pick a Miata over a 911 GT3 (even if you can easily afford the GT3) given the money savings, and the fact that you're still getting a great car.

@tonychau1983

Жыл бұрын

@@nn99nn99 the z looks cheap instead and out

Can you do a real head to head track, street comparison of the Supra vs. Z? In stick shift of course.

Great reviewer, great cars!

@Largeone1968

Жыл бұрын

Personally I think he’s an absolute bell end. He represents everything I loathe about the archetypal motoring journalist. So far out of touch it’s frightening. Not fit to wipe Rory’s behind

They really should put the gr corolla/Yaris engine in it since it’s so tiny but packs more punch than the boxer.

That Supra definitely has the right sounds going on! Over the new Z, the Supra takes the prize on factory exhaust sound, hands down.

Really wish Yota would've just thrown this power plant in the 86 and just offered the Supra with the 6! But everything is all about $ and guess some numbers guy told them it wouldn't be lucrative! Oh well. Great review as always! ✌🏽❤️✊🏽

Nice review! However, I didn't know that Brits use pound feed when measuring torque. Next time please include the Newton metres also!

I really do wonder how Toyota managed to give their 3, 4 and 6 cylinder sportscars exactly the same fake interior engine note.

@ztunelover

Жыл бұрын

Completely irrelevant once you put a proper cat back or cat delete it :)

@iloveACID

Жыл бұрын

Car regulations did that not Toyota

@bulversteher

Жыл бұрын

@@iloveACID regs don't require the fake noise to sound that much like Gran Turismo 3. And all of them sound better when the system is turned off.

@E9X330

Жыл бұрын

Because Toyota didn't make the car, bmw does

@iloveACID

Жыл бұрын

@@E9X330 they made it using bmw part like a colab stop already

Then: "I'm not gonna buy the Supra unless it has a manual" Now: "__________ (insert whatever nitpick excuse)"

@grhead812

Жыл бұрын

iT's NoT a ReAl SuPrA!

@VongolaBeverly

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

Wait is this 6-speed Supra available in the US market? I thought it was only available in auto

Wish I could like this 10x . Exactly the video I wanted

I dont mind my supra is auto. Everyone keeps whining. Manual sucks in traffic and isnt as fast as auto. No regrets after driving stick for 17 years

@donstaramos

Жыл бұрын

I’m in the same boat rn. The manual is tempting tho!!!

@gw4886

Жыл бұрын

Take the heels off, wear a comfy shoes....good to go with a manual. There are women out there who do it....stop complaining.

The new 86 looks like a mini viper at front and nsx at the back 😅

You sir are my favourite car reviewer! As a previous gen 1 owner of a highly modified gt86 I haven't been completely sold on the idea that this is worth the money but after watching your review- I want a gr86 😅

Supra GT and allowing room for improvement. GT86 looks cute, fun and nimble, and less harsh on the wallet.

Frankly, this vid wasn't really what I expected. About 3/4 of the vid he was just talking about the GR 86. This isn't a vs challenge here just a lot of talking while driving.

@oRicardoHetfield

Жыл бұрын

Yape, this was a GR86 review that had a manual supra in it... disappointed...

Kudos to BMW and Subaru for keeping the manual/rwd formula alive 🙌

@ju4121

Жыл бұрын

Comments are getting old.. Bmw makes awsome cars. Plus lotus uses Toyota engines? Are they Toyota or lotus?

@E9X330

Жыл бұрын

@@ju4121 using an off the shelf engine is not remotely comparable to buying your halo sportscar from another company

@linkwpc

Жыл бұрын

@@ju4121 never gets old

@jz7551

Жыл бұрын

@@ju4121 the new Lotus uses a Toyota V6 engine but that’s about it. On the other hand, the new Supra uses more than just the engine from BMW. The interior is BMW (buttons, and a old gen infotainment system), the pedals look just like the Z4, the chassis (the wheelbase is the same than the Z4!)… those are a few of the many things that are shared with BMW. Oh! Another thing, both the Z4 and the Supra are assembled in the same plant in Austria (idk if today, 2022 it’s still the case tho, I’d assume so..)

@AKK5I

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

And were getting the new 370 soon too, crazy times.

I've got an 04 celica in red. Il have the new GT one day. Live opposite a Toyota dealership so I'll be checking it out in person and saving lol