Been using the Timemaster for my lawn business since they came out. They definitely save time. Lawns that usually take me 45 minutes with a 22" Toro takes me 25-30 minutes. I love the personal pace. No issues with feeling heavy. You want to feel heavy, try a commercial 30. Of course I bought my units in the $900 range. I think $1599 is over kill. Toro has been taking advantage of people using inflation as an excuse to jack up prices. While others have raised prices, Toro has gone full tilt. You have to use what works for you.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Wow it increased in price another $100 since I made this video! I got mine around 1100 and it has been very reliable for the past two seasons. Thanks for watching.

@pagodad8079

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! That price should come with a better Kohler or Honda engine with large fuel tank. Basically commercial price for homeowner components.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

The larger fuel tank would be nice for sure!

@tuckerjeffrey

Жыл бұрын

It’s over 1500.00 3/2023. plus another 100.00 for electric start. I think the fuel tank is a issue and I don’t like that hunk of foam inside the tank. Been waiting on the new eTimemaster to arrive which should be soon. Hopefully it will be the one to buy. I’m not a climate freak, far from it but if they power this 30” enough with batteries I think I’d buy one! Nice video. Don’t you have to unload the bag more often since it sucks up more clippings ? Seems like would slow you down some

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

@@tuckerjeffrey it is going up in price for sure! I think the electric will be over 2500, nice machine for sure but $$$. I mostly return my clippings. To mow my front and back takes two tanks with the time master but just one with the recycler. Thanks for watching and let us know how the electric works if you end up with it!

I mowed my lawn for the first time with my new timemaster and from going from a very underpowered cheap 20in lawn mower to this one is a night and day difference. My mowing time went from 2hrs to 30 minutes and I wasn't in anyway fatigued after. It makes mowing the lawn enjoyable

@lanieroutside

9 ай бұрын

It’s a nice machine. I’m still using mine until I upgrade to a rider

I don't quite know how to tell you this, but the numbers aren't working out in favor of the cheaper mower. 30" vs 22" equals a 36% greater area of cut. Your times breakdown to a time savings of 38% You are saving more time than the greater cut area gives you. The time master not only cuts more per pass, it also does it an additional 2% faster. This would also offset the increased fuel and maintenance costs as the mower will be running substantially less hours per year. Finally, what exactly is your time worth to you? It's aptly named. It helps you gain control of more of your time and less to a menial task.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Just tuned it up last weekend and mowed the entire yard after work today. It’s a nice machine but I likely wouldn’t buy it again. My time is very valuable which is why I will upgrade to a larger machine in the future. Thanks for watching👍

I've had my timemaster for a 1 full season and I LOVE IT! Took me 1 hour to mow with 22 inch bagger. I can mow with the time master I'm 35 min. Bagged as well. The cut quality is awesome. Better than the 1 year old Honda that now sits in the garage. It is a little heavier to deal with but I'm not a 6 year old girl so it doesn't bother me. Most of the season I mow 3 times a week so saving me nearly an hour and a half every week....I am very happy with it. The only thing I will say is....If Toro would put caster wheels on the front...it would be THE BEST MOWER ON THE MARKET!!

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Glad you are enjoying your timemaster. It is a nice machine. Just doesn't save as much time as many people think and it is very expensive along with being very heavy. This mower is great for a large flat yard with very few obstructions. You are right about the caster wheels. Those would be a game changer for a yard like mine with lot of obstacles to go around. The mower performs well in my cool season lawn but really struggles with my Bermuda. If I keep the mower next season maybe I will do another review about that. Most likely this mower will be sold before then.

We have had ours going into third season great machine got a problem with kill switch and traced it to the wiring or connection at engine going to take a look into that next few days .Very happy with putchase and performance thus far.

@lanieroutside

4 ай бұрын

It is a nice machine and I am still using mine! Good luck fixing your issue, doesn't sound too major. Thanks for watching!

I love it for the quality of cut , striping, saved time and the cool factor with the neighbors ha ha. It struggles to handle rye without clumping but I’ve found that using a non-mulching blade from Ballard and side discharging reduces this significantly. It also handles Bermuda when I’m not reel mowing without a problem with mulching blades.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Side discharge is a must for my Bermuda! Haven’t tried different blades but just got a fresh factory set for the season. Thanks for watching!

@CrispusAttucks2315

Жыл бұрын

@@lanieroutside definitely worth the while to grab some non mulching blades. I get it but mulching is so overhyped that it’s hilarious. It’s grass folks. You’re going to pulverize it with whatever sharp blade you use.

You hit the nail on the head! I don’t totally regret my purchase, but I would not buy again. And I got in at $1099. No way is it worth $1500.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Yep, and raise that well north of 2k for the new electric version! Not for me right now. Thanks for watching👍

I used the timemaster on all my yards front and back one day the ZTR decided to break down on me. The timemaster was almost just as efficient on regular sized lawns. Maybe not worth it for homeowners with small yards. But definitely worth it for my landscaping company.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Glad it is working well for you. When I mow my entire yard the time saved does add up over the season. I am glad I bought mine before the price increase it is pretty expensive for a homeowner quality mower in my opinion. Right now during leaf season it does a far superior job in mulching up leaves than my recycler but I really want to have a larger mower with a bagger or even a vacuum in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting.

@WJCTechyman

3 ай бұрын

If I didn't have riders with relatively small decks (36" for both my Cub Cadet Series 2000 and my Walker MTGHS) I would consider a wide area machine but not Toro.

I've had a Timemaster for 10 years. You will definitely work on this mower more than a single blade mower. Belts, pulleys, spindle bearings, wheels, tranny, cables, springs, etc. But I still like it...

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Good to know it will last that long with maintenance and repairs. It is a nice machine but I still plan to sell mine eventually. Thanks for watching and commenting.

I looked at this machine and decided to go with the Cub Cadet CC600. It has caster wheels. It improved my cutting time by more than 25%. My 21” craftsman required me to over lap my passes even with a new blade. I was effectively getting 18” passes. On my Cub, minimal overlap is needed but only once the blade starts to dull. I bought it for $800 from Tractor Supply.. today they sell it for $1200.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Nice, the caster wheels would be nice on the time master. Thanks for watching👍👍

My lawn took over an hour with my 22” and takes me 40 minutes with time master. Love it. Bought mine for $800 4 years ago. Would not go back….however $1500 is steep.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

It’s a nice machine I do enjoy using mine. You got a good deal, really think this mower should be closer to the 1k price point but there are higher end 21 and 22 inch mowers going for more than that! Thanks for watching👍👍

I like your reasoning. The cost is what held me back, and did hear about how it wasn't exactly a nimble mower. That's why I went with the 22" toro option 🤷‍♂️. I've enjoyed it's mow so far. It's actually lighter than my 21" Craftsman and has better suction. It's kind of funny. I never thought about it, but I actually look at what time it is before I edge, mow, weed eat and blow, and what time it is after I'm done 🤔.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

You made a good choice, my 22 inch gas recycler is my favorite mower. If only my yard was smaller! I still have the timemaster but really considering selling it and getting a lawn tractor. If only those things weren't really expensive too, lol

@bobzilla6618

Жыл бұрын

I definitely understand that! I have roughly 15K feet, so a lawn tractor would be nicer.

For my landscaping company, it really does save time. I can get at least 2-3 more fulls lawns done in a single day with the timemaster than if I was going around to houses with a 21-22 mower. Plus it stripes really well, my clients love the look it gives. And in landscaping, time is money. This thing pays for itself in about 1 month with 50+ clients.

@lanieroutside

5 ай бұрын

I have seen plenty of these on landscaping trailers around town. Never knew so many people used it commercially until I got one. I can see the benefit for sure and the return on investment of mowing 2-3 extra lawns a day is huge! Thanks for watching.

Great video - thank you for saving me some coin!

@lanieroutside

11 ай бұрын

Your welcome👍

I think i have a similar size patch, 12K/sq ft. of Bermuda. I've been using the Timemaster for a few years now. Your time savings equates to about 30%, which is what Toro states, I think? Agree it's heavy, but I feel like it moves OK for a machine of it's size. I moved up from a 21" Honda. I felt like the cut never ended with the Honda, even though it was a really nice mower. I think there is less bounce from the Timemaster on my bumpy lawn. I've got some different slopes to maneuver on my back patch and the Timemaster does that with minimal scalping. When I cut with the tractor it was just a mess. I'm not really impressed with the mulching, I use the blower like you do to break up the piles. Great video, solid reasoning. Keep up the great content.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! They used to state it saves 40% but I think they took that off of the marketing. It's a nice machine but really pricey luckily I got mine before the price increases!

I have a love-hate relationship with the Timemaster. I enjoy watching videos with the good, bad and ugly when it comes to this mower. You have any valid points to why it’s not worth the price tag. Thanks for sharing.

@lanieroutside

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutley! Great machine but pricey. Thanks for watching!

Like your honesty

@lanieroutside

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutley! I always try to keep it real! Thanks for watching.

You will be glad you have the Timemaster when it is time for bagging, or dealing with leaves.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

This is my third season with it, I bag some with it but aim to upgrade to a rider in the future mainly due to the amount of leaves I have. Tons!! Thanks for watching and sharing👍

@morte2195

Жыл бұрын

@@lanieroutside I bought the Timemaster on top of already having a Cub Cadet XT2 for my acre lawn. I cut the flat areas with the lawn tractor, and use the Timemaster on the slopes and around/under all the trees. I have found, that unless the lawn is PERFECTLY dry, and you are bagging up leaves with very little grass, pretty much all lawn tractors struggle not to clog. It is super frustrating.They do make blowers you can buy for the middle of the tube to solve that problem, but I have never bought one. On the Timemaster, there is very little distance from the blades to the bag, and with that big bag it has, it has become my go to for leaf pickup.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

@@morte2195 good info, there are some areas not shown in this video of my property that I would still have to mow with a push mower due to the slopes. The plan when I get a tractor would be to use it to pull a Dr leave vacuum, my previous neighbor had one and it was amazing! But since that isn’t in the budget I will use my timemaster and a backpack blower to keep them at bay this fall.

You have a great platform...swap the engine for a Kohler CV224 and adjust the self propel cable and its great. Its a light mower...we run Scag SVT 30" and they weigh over 200lbs. I started my landscaping business with a Timemaster. I still have it today...obviously modified with a Kohler engine and its used everyday. If you learn to mow with it and not overlap it will save you lots of time. We run 72" Scags all the way between, 52" walk behinds, 61" zero turns, standers and push mowers. Sorry but its a residential mower that with some light mods can be a beast.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Just serviced it today for the season! Good info on the engine swap. Sounds like you have some nice machines thanks for sharing and good luck this season.👍

Ive only recently bought my timemaster. I’ve mowed w it 3 times to date. Your right, it does cost a lot more, and it is heavy, I have had just as much fatigue w it versus my 21 inch Honda. However, I do feel it does save me time. The drive train is fantastic compared to my Honda, the cut is visibly better than my Honda and this machine vacuums clipping like I hadn’t experienced w any of my past mowers. I have a corner lot & it hasn’t run out of fuel on me yet. Would I buy again, not sure without researching a stand behind machine or zero turn, but I really didn’t think I had enough lawn to justify one of those. I’m 69, I’m thinking this is my last mower…maybe at 75 I hire one of the many & I do mean many yard services in my area. Good video !

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Glad it is working well for you. Mine is still going strong after 3 seasons of use. It’s a nice machine. Thanks for watching!

Great Video. Gonna stick with the 22 Now. Thanks 👍

@lanieroutside

4 ай бұрын

It is a nice machine that I still use. I will upgrade to a rider for my property at some point. Thanks for watching and good luck with that 22, I still have my recycler and it is a great mower also.

@Dr777cl

4 ай бұрын

@@lanieroutside Sounds Good. Thanks

I enjoy cutting with the time master but I had to change my blade belt the last 2 seasons. But my mower is years old.

@lanieroutside

8 ай бұрын

It's a nice machine. I am still using mine until upgrading to a rider.

Having a small yard, that timemaster may take me 20 minutes to mow both front and back. I'll stick with my 30 minute, battery powered. Good video showing the time results.

@lanieroutside

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutley! It is a nice machine and I do have almost an acre but around half an acre to mow. It honestly surprised me. Feels like it is a lot faster. Thanks for watching!

@rodneycaupp5962

Жыл бұрын

Build a charging station far from your house structure. Older Batteries are still blowing up in the middle of the night on auto charge systems or just sitting there cold. Tesla Buys a lot of Lots due to fire from batteries. No many die unless they are in the vehicle and the electric doors quit working as the fire begins

@Xavier-be2mi

Жыл бұрын

@@rodneycaupp5962 man we’re talking about lawnmowers, and you come in from the left field talking about Tesla.

Was gonna get one I decided to get a commercial honda and its sooooooo nice

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Have heard good things about the Hondas, hope it is serving you well👍👍

The number 0ne reason to buy the Toro is the quality of the cut without actually double cutting with a sing blade system.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

It does have a good quality of cut. Much better on my cool season lawn than my Bermuda. On the Bermuda I frequently have to do a double cut to get the clippings broken up

20,000 sf. turf Your next step could be a full commercial Ferris FW-15 hydro drive push mower with hydro reverse and caster front wheels, 10 HP Honda eng. mows great in wet conditions, won' bog down. Will not tire you out! You had better be sitting down when asking the price! My last home up north had the same sq. ft. turf as you but more flower beds, etc. I cut it with a commercial walk behind 36" Amazing.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

That is a nice machine for sure and something that size would be perfect for my yard I agree! But yes pricey. Thanks for watching.

Heck of a video dude. Well done! Really thought out reasoning. Loved it. Also love that back yard man. Everything on the property looks awesome in the video 👍💪

@lanieroutside

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Appreciate the words of encouragement! Always something to do around here but the results are worth it.

My 2 cents. When cutting the ridge of a slope a 22" single blade will shave the ridge. The 30 Timemaster, having two blades does not. I am on my second one in a 14 year period. My first was a resale, supposedly refurbished unit. The transmission blew. I bought my new one for $1100. I kept the old one in storage. After a few years I bought a new transmission for $176, did the install myself. Found many issues that the refurbisher missed, did not install correctly, which is my guess why the transmission blew. I cleaned up the carburetor, sharpened and balanced the blades. Runs perfect. The only negative about both in my experience is: "The stupid plastic piece that is underneath." Both have ripped off in my case. I love the machine. As long as you service them correctly, they do last. Yes a Kohler motor would be nice, but then the price for a new one would be even higher. Again, just my two cents.

@lanieroutside

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience with this machine! That darn plastic piece broke on mine the first day, never replaced it. Other than that mine is still going strong after 3 seasons. 👍

You gotta adjust the cable for the personal pace yours looked like it was moving pretty slow man, mine will drag you around the lawn and I bet it wud save way more time, plus get the Ferris push mower with an actual single hydro

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Great tip, this is an older video and I have adjusted it. Don’t remember if it was before or after this but speed isn’t an issue with my time master it is way faster than the recycler! The Ferris is nice for sure👍

Great review. The Timemaster does in fact save time over a conventional 22 incher (That's just basic math). But for me as a homeowner and not a commercial user, that time is lost because I pressure wash the underside after every use. I do this because grass accumulates under the deck like crazy. The longer you wait the more difficult it is to clean. I've tried all manner of deck coatings (except ceramic formulations) and none of them works effectively. I paid $1299 for this mower about 2 years ago. I'm not entirely certain I would purchase it again even at $1299 because of the hassle of cleaning it so often even though it provides an excellent cut comparable to my 22 inch Honda. I am damn certain I wouldn't spend $1500 on it.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and thanks for sharing! I should probably clean my deck more often. I have to side discharge the Bermuda so it doesn't bog down. At least the price has leveled off some but like you I am glad I got mine much cheaper and probably would not purchase it again. Amazing how many people use this homeowner mower commercially, totally agree saving 10 minutes would add up cutting lots of lawns daily. Thanks for watching and good luck this season.

@dalewiley9208

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@lanieroutside Thanks for your kind reply. Our yard is approximately 12000 square feet and the Timemaster usually saves me 20-28 minutes over the Honda. But it takes me at least 15-20 minutes to drag out the pressure washer, hose down the deck, re-start the mower to engage the blades to aid drying and put away the pressure washer. Time saving gone the way of the dodo. Fortunately, I have not experienced any mechanical problems. Fingers crossed. 😏. Just bought a zero turn. So the Timemaster will be used primarily for cutting the perimeter on the days I’m feeling industrious and not using the Honda. I do find the Honda tends to create ruts when cutting same patterns. This is generally not an issue with the Timemaster. Go figure.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

@@dalewiley9208 congrats on that zero turn! Knock on wood my timemaster has been reliable also after several seasons. I have around 18000 sqft of turf but my entire yard is 37000, with tons of trees and slopes. A lawn tractor is coming in the future for sure👍

Amen 🙏 finally someone with the balls to say it. 🙏 I love mine yes I did the math your right. Way out all rhe points 👉 you said. Very true. Its a good mower just not worth 1600. Now. Went up again. It's worth $800. In Mt book. If did that video I would lose 100 subs. Lol. Thanks again for saying what's the truth..

@lanieroutside

2 жыл бұрын

Luckily I got mine for 1100 last year before the price hikes which helped! Honestly my main reason for purchase vs a rider was actually storage. Can still park in my garage so that is a huge plus of this mower. No regrets though it is a nice machine. Thanks for the comments! Appreciate it!

@thecuttingforce

2 жыл бұрын

@@lanieroutside yep you made a good video. 👍 love mine and hate it at the same time. Iv cut one hole season with a 21 awd mower was faster in some places. But the flat yards the timemaster is better. . On my 7thone lol 😆

I'll give my opinion on the timemaster owning two of them and using them for HOME use for the last 5 years. NOTE although lawn companies use these for commercial use they really are not the maintenance for their type of cutting must be high with belt replacements. If you are handy with mechanical work you will be ok with the timemaster I have had to change the belts several times on both not real difficult but very awkward to change because its hard to get your hands in there. I have had the head gasket blow twice on my older timemaster the newer one is still ok this is not a difficult job. Ive replaced the transmission on both once the transmissions are about 90.00 dollars and plan on 2 hours labor not hard you just have to pay attention to where everything goes and in what order. I have to adjust the cables from time to time on the drive system to get it to move better again not difficult. The transmissions are the weakest point for me because I live on a lake and my back yard slopes down and coming back up is a challenge and you have to put a lot of energy into your legs. These mowers are NOT friendly for cutting wet grass I did it once and learned a lesson it was a pain and these engines bog down quite a bit, dry grass is no problem. Time savings not a lot as you stated but the cut is excellent. I bag my grass and these machines are like vacuum cleaners they pick up everything if you have a lot of leaves you will love these. Bottom line always have the 3 belts in stock and the cables because they will go and be mechanically inclined and you will be fine. I like them because I have their quirks down and know how to fix them. Would I buy another one...yes

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience with this machine! After 3 seasons of use mine is still running strong with just regular maintenance. I have found the same thing with the wet grass and with Bermuda always use the side discharge during the growing season for sure. I do have a sloped yard also so will see how long the transmission holds up. Leaves are the main reason I want a bigger riding machine in the future to pull a vacuum with. Although the timemaster bags and mulches leaves well I just have way to many trees for it to be efficient. I end up blowing them off the lawn in the winter and dealing with them the next spring. Thanks again for sharing your experience👍

@hondahaney6404

9 ай бұрын

Yes, agreed. I have had one for eight years and as long as you’re mechanically handy, they are fine machines. They really make your lawn look good. I got mine on sale when it was new for a great price. $500! I Just replace the head gasket this weekend not a big deal 12 bucks. As mentioned, pulleys belts and bearings all require occasional repair or replacement.

@gregdixon3797

2 ай бұрын

I think I will just stick with my Honda 😅

I'm on my second Timemaster, and for my yard it saves me about 30 minutes per cut vs my old 21" mower, and saves me a tremendous amount of time in the fall for leaf clean up. Unfortunately I don't know if I will purchase another due to the price gouging by the company. Even though the mower was intended and originally marketed for residential use, I think Toro realized that commercial mowing companies are using it so let's jack the price up. I bought both of mine for $1000 which was a fair price for the mower, I don't think I can justify an additional $500 when no improvements have even been made to the mower, and it needs some improvements. They are now pushing the electric version of the Timemaster for $2100, good grief where does the greed end!

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Great insights. I have had a lot of comments from people using this mower for commercial use, some even seem to think it is a commercial mower which it is not. I'm with you on the price, I got mine for around 1100 which I think was a fair price for what I got. The electric is way overpriced like all electric mowers right now! Thanks for watching, good luck this season!

@jardineriaasequiblezaragoz70

8 ай бұрын

In Spain Toro Time master costs 2000 $$$$ , of course the Green keapers use Honda and Outils Wolf. I,ve got 5 cutting grass machines and the best mulching is made by Toro of yesr 1995. Nobody in Spain pays 4000 $$ by Toro Turfmaster

Thank you! This is a terrific review. I currently use a Honda HRX217 on a very thick 1/4 acre lawn with many obstacles. The HRX mulches like no no other. I was going to to give the Tiimemaster a go, knowing I would lose some cutting performance 10% of the time. You helped me make my decision to keep what I have. Though, I might need to grab another Honda as they are being discontinued.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Your Welcome! I would stick with a 22/21 inch high quality mower like your Honda for sure on a 1/4 acre lawn. Yeah might not be a bad idea to grab a gas one while you can. My goal is to get a lawn tractor and a maybe a reel mower for my Bermuda but for now sticking with the Timemaster and Recycler for another season. Thanks for watching!

I have one… it saves me about 1/2 hour on my cut, my biggest complaint… gas tank is way to small and that sponge inside the tank has caused more over fill spills…have no idea what it’s in there for. If I didn’t have to refill the tank I’d save even more time. Now would I buy it again… no I don’t think so… for the amount of money I spent I could’ve bought 3 decent movers. I’m 64 and I find it easy to maneuver and it does a very nice job of cutting. I’m hoping I get many years out of it for the $1500 it cost me.

@lanieroutside

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience! The “foam allows the mower to use all fuel in the tank” which I agree should be more 👍

I love my timemaster..

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

It’s a nice machine, just did another video on it. Thanks for watching 👊

You need a grandstand brother

@lanieroutside

6 күн бұрын

@@felixvale2730 if I had the $$👍

Why didn’t you just say the main benefit to the Timemaster is that you can fit it in your garage? How much extra does a shed cost?

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

This video isn't about the benefits of the timemaster as there are plenty of those out there. Instead I wanted to show 3 drawbacks that I wish I knew before buying this machine. Not sure on shed costs as I haven't looked at that option right now maybe in the future. Let me know if you are looking into this mower and have any questions. I will give you my honest opinion! Thanks for the comment.

Your opinion on the aesthetics of a wider cut please. Thanks

@lanieroutside

2 ай бұрын

Well I have Bermuda in my front yard that doesn’t stripe so makes no difference. On my cool season yard it looks nice!

22/30=.73. You should be able to mow the same space in something like 3/4 of the time with a 30" deck vs a 22. I didn't do the math but I think that's about what you saved in rough numbers? For me *if you want to stripe* the TM is the cheapest way in. Get or make a stripe kit and you're off to the races. It's much harder to stripe with a lawn tractor because of turning radius, I know because I sometimes mow with my garden tractor. I personally can't stand the look of 21-22" mower stripes on a large lawn, just looks weird to me. A zero turn is the best bet for many but that's a lot more money and you still may need a push mower for trimming. Your points are all valid though and I would add 1. It can be a Clump-master and require a lot more deck cleaning than an average push mower. 2. It can require more maintenance than you're maybe used to, snapped deck belts, dropped engine mount bolts, personal pace engagement cable, kill switch... I've had to fix a fair amount of things since buying Spring 2019. I do enjoy the exercise most days but it's a bigger bulkier mower for sure. 20,000 square feet of salad bar in NY.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Great insights thanks for sharing! Half of my lawn is Bermuda and the only way you can mow it in the Summer is with the side discharge. The deck volume isn't large enough. Bermuda doesn't really stripe so that isn't a concern for me. It does leave a line between the blades that looks like two 15 inch stripes. Only in the Bermuda lawn. The mower cuts fantastic in my back lawn that is a fescue mix. It is a nice machine and I am lucky so far to have no major breakdowns with mine after two seasons.

Hey so I currently have the 21 inch Honda HRX217. I have the option to buy a slightly used Time Master locally for $1,000. I have 8500 square feet of Bermuda. What are your thoughts? Only thing I don’t like is all the wheel marks the Honda leaves so close together with the smaller width and the rear discharge is annoying.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

The Timemaster leaves wheel marks and two noticeable stripes with the dual blades in a thick Bermuda Lawn. I will video what this looks like this year when the lawn thickens up. It is a nice machine but I don't think you will get a better cut quality than you get with your Honda. You will save some time though! Ultimately you will have to decide! Good luck!

For me I mow about 12 lawns a day if I could knock 15 minutes off each of those that's 3 saved hours for me to make more money 💰 I think that's a good investment

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Definitely! Thanks for watching. 👍

Thanks for the video..i agree with alot you pointed out.. I was very dissapointed with this mower..Have had dozens of mowers from various brands..briggs & stratton use to be a bulletproof name when i was younger. -There really not nimble for smaller yards. turning that thing around alot adds up..maybe zero turn front caster wheels? -Blade engagement is a real joke.. -Gas tank capacity and GAS CAP?? WHY TORO? complete joke -Standard discharge spring and exit flap..nothing special there -Starting was always hard like your pulling extra pulleys. -The bag is big but its a two step process..dont forget to remove your blocky thingy.. -Personal pace is not very efficient ergonomics is wierd feeling and irritating on finger reaching while still trying to mantain control of that big handle bar -The blue Blade engagement safety switch is annoying and unnecessary. Overall im now looking into a motor swap or probably sell it & look for a older belt driven toro or scag for this class of cutting..20-32in Only innovative thing i see helpful is the 90 degree handle bar folding ability and being thick..thats cool for storage.

@lanieroutside

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experiences! Mine will be replaced with a lawn tractor at some point, hopefully soon! The Briggs motor is decent but underpowered in my opinion and needs a larger gas tank for sure!

Would consider buying it if it was around $1000. Its currently priced at $1600 which is ridiculous.

@lanieroutside

20 күн бұрын

Luckily I paid about $1100, it’s been a good machine but way too expensive now.

Nice vid. Only thing to note is that 6mins over 22 mins is quite the saving in my opinion.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, very true any time saved can be valuable and add up over many mows.

@zsmitty2002

Жыл бұрын

Especially when you overlap the last pass 3 inches or more like he was. If you run the wheel up against the last pass he would more than likely save much more.

I'd have a grandstand for that yard

@lanieroutside

2 ай бұрын

That would be a nice machine to have!

Its amazing to me that the underpowered Timemaster has survived over other residential wide cut mowers that have come and gone (yes I know there are still some other commercial wide cut mowers). I guess Toro has superior marketing and a larger distribution network. A few years back when I was looking at the different wide cut residential use lawn mowers I decided to buy the Pro Series (Yellow) Craftsman 28". It was on sale for $699 including the lawn striper vs. the ~ $1,100 Timemaster price at that time. It wasn't the sale price that swayed me, I was concerned that the Timemaster was underpowered for my lawn, which I often let grow very tall (12" plus). The Pro Series has a 9.5 Briggs and Stratton engine and it eats up my nearly 1/3 acre with ease, saving approximately 35 to 40 minutes vs. my previous 21" Bolens standard (non powered drive) push mower. My only tip for buyers of any multi blade mower would be to add in grease zerks to the blade spindles to help them last nearly forever vs. the lifetime lube sealed units that never last anybody's lifetime.

@lanieroutside

Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience! For me it was between this and a lawn tractor. I went with the timemaster mainly for ease of storage in my garage. I will upgrade to a lawn tractor eventually mainly due to the need of pulling a leaf sweeper and cart for landscaping projects and cleanup around the property. Mine is still running strong but wow they are even pricier now at almost 1600!

@Thomas63r2

Ай бұрын

@@lanieroutside Prices on just about everything make no sense to me anymore (I'm a senior). I thought about going with a small lawn tractor, but for me there were not enough positives. My Pro Series 28 has a super easy fold down handle and I can slide it under a work bench when not in use. The small lawn tractor would take up garage space that I would rather reserve for car parking. Also, small lawn tractors seem to require more service over the years - I believe in keeping things simple. In addition to adding the spindle grease zerks, I also added screens around the spindle deck mounts to keep grass clippings and twigs from entering the belt drive area to increase belt life.

@lanieroutside

Ай бұрын

@@Thomas63r2 agree on prices. Everything is expensive so I just enjoy what I have for the moment! Sounds like some smart upgrades you’ve made, I may check into that for the timemaster.

@Thomas63r2

Ай бұрын

@@lanieroutside Guaranteed they work on any mower with spindles. Decades ago I learned that few products were made with true long term intentions - and that by fitting on simple changes once common to equipment of the past, that operating costs can be reduced, and lifespan increased. Most so called lifetime lubes are marketing drivel. I am stubborn, I had my Bolens push mower for ~ 15 years before I decided I was too old to work that hard mowing my lawn. With regular maintenance I expect the Pro Series 28 will still be working great 25 years from now. Best wishes.

@Thomas63r2

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah, I sold the Bolens to a young man wanting to make a little money mowing lawns. I spent extra time showing him how to clean it, how to maintain it, how to do oil changes etc. Its still in use!

Man I shave off 50% with this mower compared to a 22 inch Honda this machine so far for me is well worth it no real landscaper should use a 22 and all this fatigue talk when your dealing with self propelled be serious in the landscaping industry the self propelled mower is like a lunch break compared to every of job like install weed eating hedge trimming you seem way to weak to work out here in texas if you have the nerve to say fategue from manuvering a self propelled mower stop hating for no reason

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

I am glad the mower is saving you that much time. If it saves you that much time post up your review so people can see it. That is if you aren’t too fatigued, lol

@Michael-ye2se

Жыл бұрын

@@lanieroutside actually in not sure how I feel about it it broke on me 3 times in three days every time because it wasn't put together correctly by wharehouse. First time blades didn't engage every time second time the installed blades backwards so they immediately hit each other and chiped the blades and broke something in side all on the first stripe I did. But the third time it's been working like a charm I don't know of any 30 inch that's easier to move if you think this is machine is hard to use then you probably haven't tried other small walk behinds like dewalt

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

@@Michael-ye2se Hate to hear you have had issues with yours. Mine has been reliable but I have seen where some have had problems early on like you mentioned.

When that personal Pace fail on a hill it is HEAVY!

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Hope that doesn’t happen, I’ve got a sloped yard! Thanks for watching👍

@finallythetruthisout761

Жыл бұрын

@@lanieroutside it did happen to me. I’m getting a rider 😆

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

I aim to upgrade to a rider next season for sure👊

That’s cause the timeMaster is for commercial use it’s for longer life span used in landscaping business so yeah it’s worth it

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

The timemaster is not a commercial mower. It is marketed by Toro for homeowner use and does not have commercial components or engine. It has a toro branded briggs engine just like other homeowner models such as my recycler. Maybe you are thinking about the more expensive "turfmaster" with a very similar name. That mower has a kawasaki engine and more heavy duty commercial components at an even steeper price but well worth it for a person that mows multiple lawns for a living.

I trust a mans opinion that drives a Toyota

@lanieroutside

Ай бұрын

Me too👊👊

The 30" Timemaster has a 36% larger cutting deck compared to a 22" Recycler. If the Timemaster got it done 6 minutes faster than the Recycler (22 minutes), then it cut it about 38% faster, which is on par with the Timemaster. If you were expecting a 30" mower to cut your mowing in half compared to a 22" mower, then you will surely be disappointed.

@lanieroutside

10 ай бұрын

Toro used to advertise that the machine saves 40% of time. According to my math it saved 27% on just this part of my front yard shown in the video. But I don’t care about percentages. It saved 6 minutes cutting one side of my front yard. Too many videos and comments just tell you that it saves a “lot” of time. It is a nice machine that saves time. A little underpowered for a Bermuda lawn but overall so have been pleased with it and will keep mowing with it until I upgrade to a rider.

I have 62 inch zero turn that I use on about 80% of my lawn which I love to death when I'm using it. There's about a acre that I can't use my zero turn on due to it being too heavy and a lot of trees. My zero turn Is Just too heavy and tears up the grass and it looks awful. With so many tree lawn and the lawn wet a lot here in Northern Virginia with so many trees .so I've been cutting it with my 21 inch mower and it's taking forever. 😮😮I love the way it looks when I'm done, but it just takes too long, so I'm looking to purchase the Toro timemaster any suggestions would be great?

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

I don’t have as large of yard but lots of trees and the mower maneuvers well around them. For an acre it will save you some time compared to the 21 inch but you will have to refill it to get the acre done as it has a small gas tank. If you have the budget some viewers have recommended a 32 inch ferris but it is a lot more expensive than the timemaster. Good luck👍

The 30 inch toro saves a lot of time, truth be told, I own 2 of them and never have any problems with it, definitely better than the Scag 30 inch and the 30 inch exmark

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Three seasons now for me with this mower and it has held up well. Thanks for sharing your experience

@caddyronward1568

Жыл бұрын

@lanieroutside Absolutely and you're very welcome

Very nice

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@efrenvenegas3346

Жыл бұрын

Been seen about the timemaster that its had to much problems

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

So far I have not had too many issues. I have followed the recommended services and have used for a little over 1 season. There are a lot more moving parts on this machine than a standard push mower so I would expect a few more pieces to break in the future.

@efrenvenegas3346

Жыл бұрын

Cool so you said it wont have to many problems i be buying one if we are alive by nexy year

Toro needs to up their game on the 21 inch super recycler. Good but can be better. I do have 21386 and it's going okay. The newer model I believe is not as good.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

I have only owned recyclers. They are for sure upping their prices but so is everyone. Thanks for watching and sharing 👊

😢 I shed a tear for you .

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Ok ✅

Love my time master. Saves me a ton of time on 15k plus sf… didn’t watch the video

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting on a video you didn’t watch🤣

Biggest problem is clogging. Small 15” blades spin in a confined space and clog easily. I wish Toro would redesign it with a single 30” blade. And front swivel wheels. Otherwise it’s a quality Toro!

@lanieroutside

Ай бұрын

That would be nice and it would give a better cut! I use the side discharge on my Bermuda it will not mulch it without bogging down during the peak growing season (soon upon us) thanks for watching 👍

I hear this a lot about ITs a heavy mower this and that .. I just bought one Used of COURSE !! lol and I never used a Toro before.. I used it and did my turn arounds I don’t see what the fuss is about it don’t feel heavy to me ?? maybe you just don’t know the tricks and techniques in running a mower there is a method in spinning a mower around . Any ways I freaking love it I said to my self YUP ITS A MONEY MAKER 🤑🤑🤑 TIME IS MONEY AND MONEY IS TIME !!! HAVE AGREE WITH EVERYONE THIS IS NOT WORTH $1,699 IN TODAYS MARKET !!! #TORO YOU NEED TO GET THIS PRICE BACK TO $999.99 BECAUSE THIS THIS IS NOT BUILT THE BEST IM SORRY LOL THIS $1699 ILL SPEND A FEW MORE AND GET A actually commercial grad mower from like Scag or Wright they make the same size but a much higher quality built mower .. $ this thing is worth 799.00 in my eyes .. you have to stay on it if you want it running good all the time .. great for a solo landscaper that does his maintenance one day out of the week ..

@lanieroutside

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience with this machine. I still use mine and it is performing well after 3 seasons of homeowner use. Like everything the prices keep going up. Compared to what I have seen for electric machines the price on the timemaster really isn't that bad for what you get. Thanks for watching.

22 minutes to 16 minutes is a huge percentage. The wheel base is short off setting the additional weight. I never found the timemaster to be heavy. I bought mine in 2018 but would not pay $1600 for one. At the same time I would never consider selling mine. The price gouging is a result of our current economy but also a result of this homeowner machine being used commercially by the pros.

@lanieroutside

3 ай бұрын

Good points! The time will add up and I only timed a portion of my yard so I save more. I may do an updated video mowing the entire yard and comparing if I have time to do so.

@gls3894

3 ай бұрын

@@lanieroutsideI believe you made some excellent points. This machine is not for everyone. More moving parts with a twin blade system "can" mean greater maintenance and possible increased problems. However, when we filter out the reviews of the commercial use of the the TM we find that homeowners are not experiencing the same level of failure with the mower. I also have a Honda HRX217-HZA which is a excellent mower for a smaller home we own. Its a high dollar mower as well. I am of the opinion that the personal pace system is the greatest self propelled system I have ever used. Subscribed

You didnt provide us with a better option. I want a 30 inch cut not a 22 or 21. Most anything 30 inch is starting to become a commercial mower. This mower actually is a better cost compared to a commercial. So whats my options then.

@lanieroutside

Ай бұрын

If you are a homeowner wanting a 30 inch wide push mower this is your best option! Mine is still going strong on its 4th season. For me the future upgrade is a riding mower mostly due to want to pull implements like a leaf sweeper and core aerator. Thanks for watching 👍

You’re lucky you don’t have to refuel 3/4 of the way thru the job. I lose 3-5 mins having to refuel and adjust my mowing pattern to make sure I’m close to my shed when it’s time to refuel.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Well actually I have to do the same thing. I only tested it on part of my yard for this video, I have more Bermuda on the other side of my drive and around 10k sq ft of cool season lawn in my side and backyard, it takes a refill in between the back and front yard to get the job done

Has to save time….not 80% faster but still at least 25%

@lanieroutside

Ай бұрын

It does save me around 15 minutes or so when I do all the turf, about half an acre

Toro claims it will save you about 30% of time so your time savings seems pretty accurate to what they claim.

@lanieroutside

9 ай бұрын

It does save some time for sure

Well I guess they need to make a 100 in wide mower…maybe that will save time

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

Six minutes saved per cut for a homeowner isn't worth $1500. To a professional lawn care business owner like me, six minutes per job, at ten jobs per day, is worth every penny. That's an hour saved per day, which means I'm having dinner with my sexy wife, watching the sunset together, instead of driving home watching it alone. I also buy used equipment and paid $800 for mine and it looks and runs like new.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

You got a good deal, thanks for sharing👍

You have to jog behind it at 4.5mph.

@lanieroutside

3 ай бұрын

It is fast!

For me timemaster save a lot of time,only 10 minutes to get done,my 21 take me 30 minutes,i love timemaster

@lanieroutside

9 ай бұрын

Wow that is a lot of time savings

PRICE SHOULD BE AROUND 800 BUCKS ITS UNDER POWERED IT CLOGS UP REAL BAD.

@lanieroutside

Ай бұрын

It is pretty expensive especially now! I used the side discharge on my Bermuda it wok not mulch it during the peak growing season

The new 60v lithium model = $2499! Ouch!

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Wow that is pricey for sure!

Tired of mine and going back to the 21" super recycler.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Sticking with my timemaster for another season. Just don't have the budget right now to replace it! Thanks for watching.

Stop complaining this timemastee is the best i used and mow like 30 houses everyday last me for a year the transmmition

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Glad I only have to mow 1 with mine 🤣

Briggs and Stratton, there's the 3

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

👍

6 minutes is a lot!

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

It does add up!

Not true. Cuts half an acre in 30 minutes

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Ok, Thanks for watching!

Not going to purchase. I will stay with my 21 inch super recycler mower. Plus easy to get into my hatchback vs timemaster will not fit. Plus very expensive. Not worth it.

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

Good choice, have heard good things about the super recycler.👍

To much money . 🤮

@lanieroutside

Жыл бұрын

If you want to see expensive check out the electric ⚡️ one 😬

Your fatigue from using it? Maybe time to hit the gym.. this review is thumbs down

@lanieroutside

5 ай бұрын

Maybe…if only the mower saved me more time I could. Thanks for watching 👍

There's no way you push mow 7000 sqft with a 22" in 22 minutes !!!!!! I have a time master and it takes me 40 minutes to mow 6000 sqft. The reason the mower feels heavy is because the deck is made to last. Smaller mowers have thin decks that will only last about 3 seaons before cracking. Ive had my timemaster for 8 years and still going strong.

@lanieroutside

9 ай бұрын

Actually if my yard wasn't as sloped I could mow it faster with both the 22 inch and the timemaster. The smaller mower does have a thinner deck but will last way more than 3 years for an average homeowner. I am still mowing with both until I upgrade to a rider soon. Thanks for watching.