So glad Mike was added to the crew. His picks are always interesting and often introduce me to games I haven't heard of before. Going to be checking out both Dawn of the Peacemakers and Vengeance.

@ray-fz8bg

2 жыл бұрын

+1 Mikes picks are fantastic 👌

@bigpapa1965

2 жыл бұрын

Mike has been here for awhile

@tempestfury8324

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad Mike is part of the team. Especially after losing Sam, Mike adds a different perspective in a good way. Chris Yi, not so much. He is really boring and doesn't really add anything to the group. Yawn.

@Barbabonbon

2 жыл бұрын

You know they are probably very nervous and anxious to be in these videos. There are better ways to give criticism than you manifest here (edit : talking to tempest fury)

@FelipeRodrigues-vj1zb

Жыл бұрын

I'm actually more a fan of Mike than I am of Sam. Not complaining about Sam, I just really like Mike.

Good idea for a list. The elephant in the room is MAGE KNIGHT.

@wicaksonoadi1035

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Mage Knight is definitely the first thing comes to my mind. English isn't my first language, it took me 3 weeks to read and comprehend the rules. But now it stays on my #1 game of all time!

@GrandElemental

2 жыл бұрын

The first thing I though of immediately! The most complex game in my collection, and also my favourite game of all-time. Such a shame that The Dice Tower people don't seem to like it that much.

@lucasdieguez1244

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrandElemental They have this weird tendency to compare *everything* to Gloomhaven. I still remember the short bad review for one of my favourites (Perdition's Mouth): "it does everything right, but it's not Gloomhaven". Oh well...

Why Mike is awesome, the only one on Dice Tower that recognizes the magnificence of Spirit Island AND Pax Pamir 2e!

Mike nailed this list. Too Many Bones could have been added along with Cloudspire but, other than that, Mike’s was a great list for this topic.

Millennium Blades. If you've played (and got tired of) Mtg, this game is so perfect. It really feels like it was designed for JUST me and I will play it anytime and teach it to anyone.

@StefanLopuszanski

2 жыл бұрын

It is basically Yu-Gi-Oh the series as a game. I like it but it is definitely clunky and swingy and a brain burner at times.

@larrye

2 жыл бұрын

Just about to comment the same thing.

Absolutely agree with Arkham Horror LCG. Bought it 3 years ago when I first got into board games and I was only able to fully wrap my head around it a few months ago. But man, I am ALL IN. Very fiddly, complicated distribution model, long setup, storage is a beast, you WILL mess up the rules, but so fun.

@Diresword88

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, this is the exact same scenario I am in. My wife bought it for me like 2-3 years ago. Played it once (don't even recall playing it) and it got shelved. I took it off the shelf maybe a month ago, and we played a 2 player campaign of the Night of the Zealot.....Now I am over here planning to buy all the expansions (periodically) and have already recruited 3 of my other friends to play with. Damn good game! And you are so right...Everyone WILL!!! mess up the rules. I've played 50-60 scenarios since getting into it, and I still find something where I am like "DAMMIT, I was messing that up"

@Talon3000

2 жыл бұрын

I don't play it myself but I would add Android: Netrunner. Hot damn this game is complex and has a lot to learn with its two completely different sides of play. but I hear that once you properly learn it it's amazing.

Mage Knight, Robinson Crusoe, and A Study in Emerald for me but I agree with a lot of the choices.

Zee and Tom raising their chairs to the max height and forcing Mr Delicioustoes to lower his to the min height creates a toxic working environment.

I think this is the most I've ever heard these guys compliment each other on their picks!

Mike, you are awesome. I love the way you introduce and explain your choices, and also the generous way you consider other points of view. You often convince me to give games I've written off a second (or first chance) and most of the time, I realize I missed something key in the first impression. Don't change!

For me, Through the Ages is worth the effort. Setup and managing the cubes is hard for new players and I love it. I think I'm drawn to games that are "worth the effort" because I have and like quite a few of the games in this list.

@apollonia6656

Жыл бұрын

David Rector, I am still struggling with the first edition....cubes etc but,rule book is a mess.

@harrisonlynch4701

Жыл бұрын

I find civilization style games are better as apps. It’s easier to learn and you can spread the insane game length over a week instead of having to cram it all into one day

Zee is an amazing actor. His “this is not worth my effort” face is amazing, and he can keep it up for the whole video!

Twilight Struggle for sure. Playing against someone else who knows what they're doing is without a doubt one of the best board game experiences that exists.

@johnathanrhoades7751

2 жыл бұрын

I have tried. Multiple times. I just don't have fun in the learning process, so I never have gotten to the point where I can appreciate it.

Nice to see War of the Ring on the list. I’m a HUGE Tolkien fan and that game is as close to Lord-of-the-Rings-in-a-box as I think can be done. I recognized pretty early the problem of not knowing what’s in the decks so I made a “cheat sheet” that details what I consider to be the “game changer” cards in each deck so newbies can at least have an idea of what might happen at the extremes, as well as a couple other player aids. Now if only I had the time and people to play it with 😂

Sidereal Confluence for me. Two hours and change, constant real time negotiation, four player minimum but you really want five or six, huge table hog, tricky to grok on your first learn, and highly asymmetric. But it's such an amazing game.

@jeffw7382

2 жыл бұрын

My favorite game that I almost never get to the table.

@metallsnubben

2 жыл бұрын

Legitimately almost sounds like a parody of boardgames when you first hear it described

Mike "The Voice that Moves Mountains" DiLisio.

An excellent Top 10, really enjoyed watching this.

Great lists you guys, I think Tom was particularly spot on with his picks.

It would be fun to see you guys do a "Top 10 Games We Are Best At" :-)

@roseability86

2 жыл бұрын

Especially if there is crossover 🤣

@ethanhoward9327

2 жыл бұрын

@@roseability86 exactly!!

Great video. Thanks guys!

I’d probably add Too Many Bones, love that game, very hard to teach. Then probably Uprising: Curse of the Last Emperor’, solid game but can be difficult to teach

@konstantinstepanov5461

2 жыл бұрын

With too many bones I thought the effort was from finding it in the first place and then shelling out the premium price (quite worth it though)

@devekut2

2 жыл бұрын

I attended a teach at Origins when it came out. It turned me off completely. Just not my thing.

@Bodyknock

2 жыл бұрын

Mike did say he had Too Many Bones in the same league as Cloudspire, he just went with Cloudspire instead for the list.

@bryannothem1505

2 жыл бұрын

Too many bones is a solid solo game, but damn, I hated trying to play it with 2 lol

Somehow and surprisingly I found this Top 10 one of the most interesting and engaging discussions of any DT Top 10 I've seen. And I wasn't expecting that.

This War of Mine is my pick for this category. It's one of my all time favorite games for many reasons, it scratches a lot of different itches for me (base building, scavenging-survival, story-centric, "dudes-on-a-map", tight resource management)...but it's a lot to set up, it takes up a lot of space, I only play the game solo, so it's a lot of effort for a solo-play game...I love it, but it doesn't hit the table all that often, but when it does, I play it to death for a week or so. For those reasons, it would be on my list of games that are worth the effort.

@thesitarist

2 жыл бұрын

Play it to death... literally! 😆

@bryannothem1505

2 жыл бұрын

The deal breaker with that game is if I play it, it only makes me want to play the video game. I have trouble with games based on video games

@apollonia6656

Жыл бұрын

MattMilder, One of my favourites. Lie every thing about it because it is so emotional;should I starve X because I doubt he/she is not likely to survive! I played the game each day for two weeks p!he and those rats always turn up 😊to steal our food!

Millennium Blades is my pick. Extraordinary game. But a HUGE set up/clean up time. I may only play it on Tabletop Simulator.

I have had a surprising amount of success teaching newer gamers Root and getting them into it. It’s a very engaging game and even though it’s mechanics are very all over the place, the fact that your player board walks you through every turn really helps me be able to teach it.

@ntmetroid

2 жыл бұрын

I played the app tutorial for the cats and birds before playing. Really helped out. However, one if my friends played the woodland alliance for the first time and no one knew how to play them. That was rough. Im planning on playing more of the app before we play again to get more clarification on the rule

@canonblackwell1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ntmetroid yeah I think it’s harder if no one had played before and the WA is one of the more obtuse factions to try and learn cold

@ntmetroid

2 жыл бұрын

@@canonblackwell1 yea. We were struggling to figure out how they get points. They are decent at holding a location, but quite difficult to gain new territories as they cant rebel in areas if a suit that they already have a keep for

@canonblackwell1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ntmetroid yeah it’s mostly about getting those big turns where you kill a bunch of stuff with a rebel action and then getting a bunch more sympathy tokens out by spreading your meeples out around the map.

Eldritch Horror for sure. A long time to sort out all the decks, but if you keep it organized like that, it's still a while to set up but bearable. One of my favorite games :)

@franciscorojas8088

2 жыл бұрын

I have the insert and it doesn't take me more than 5 to 7 minutes to set up

My #1 is Twilight Imperium 4, and my #2 is Kingdom Death Monsters. Those are what immediately popped into my head. Then after that I'd have to look up my library one by one. Maybe Robinson Crusoe, Oath, Nemesis and This War of Mine.

@OnDragi

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was surprised no one went for Twilight Imperium. But then again I always forget what their stand on it is -- do they not consider it worth the effort? :D

@Andrew_NJ

2 жыл бұрын

1. Twilight Imperium 4th Edition 2. Twilight Struggle 3. Star Wars Rebellion 4. Merchants & Marauders 5. SpaceCorp

@Andrew_NJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@OnDragi Sam and Roy were not in this video so you are not going to get Ti4.

I love the idea for this list. This is really great stuff! I've got a couple new ideas for games I'd like to check out.

Robinson Crusoe is also worth the setup.

@g8kpr3000

2 жыл бұрын

I only play this solo now. And EVER time I decide to play this, I have to reread the rules and get in a headspace.

@joshjenson8111

Жыл бұрын

Overrated game

@digocr

Жыл бұрын

Robinson is the best game ever. All setup and mechanics are there to simulate the experience making it more real. Different dice sets, tons of events cards, exploration, strategy freedom… Love it.

Neat list. I think my personal picks might be - Eldritch Horror. With all the expansions this game is a beast to setup and play, but it’s also my group’s most played game. So much effort but well worth it, we’ve gotten hours and hours of fun out of it. - Legendary Marvel. Set up does take a while, but it’s still my most played solo game. I can’t count how many games of this I’ve played solo, and with so many expansions the variety is crazy - Argent The Consortium. This one isn’t well known, but it’s a worker placement game where you play students in a magical high school trying to please a group of professors who want different secret goals. This game has everything - tons of magic spells to cast, lots of workers with different unique abilities, randomized board setup where all the rooms have completely different types of effects and every game is different, huge decks of magic item cards and decks of allies. The amount of content in this game is huge. Which means teaching the game is rough, as is setting it up. But man, I really loved playing this game the times I’ve managed to get it to the table (which has to be a big table, it’s a sprawler!) I’ve even played an unofficial solo variant and it was fun then too. I think Tom’s review was it was a really good game that was example of having “too much” so it kind of fell off everybody’s radar. But I think it was worth the effort, at least for me. 🙂 - Blood on the Clocktower. This is a Werewolf style game that’s been in prerelease for a while now and should be shipping this Spring hopefully. I love running this game. The moderator actually has a more active role in this than normal Werewolf, and every player has a unique character (here are no vanilla Villagers). So learning all the characters and running the game takes time. But it’s definitely been worth it, I have a blast running these. Heck, I enjoy running the game more than being one of the players! - Roll Player Adventures using characters imported from Roll Player. This one is definitely a “me” thing, but I really love taking characters I made while playing games of Roll Player and importing them into Roll Player Adventures to run them through the campaign. Sure, you could just play Roll Player Adventures with the prebuilt characters or maybe draw random stats or something, but building a character up through a full game of Roll Player is so fun and it really helps create a bond with them that makes you that much more invested in what happens in the Adventures campaign. It’s clearly a longer process doing this but so worth it!

Great video. 3 games I’m familiar with that didn’t make the list are I would pick are millennium blades, black rose wars and Kemet.

I was sure something someone would mention Captain Sonar. It seems like the classic example of a game that won’t get as much table time as it should because there is the hurdle of getting 8 players.

@thesitarist

2 жыл бұрын

There are variants that support fewer players.

@keel1701

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was saying it in the live chat. High player count, asymmetric play (need to teach four different sets of rules), real time and hidden information. If only one person at the table knows it, its REALLY hard to get to work. If two people know it, it can work but its still pretty tough.

@robertthurman9866

2 жыл бұрын

They have a 4 player version available now.

@ZachLorton

2 жыл бұрын

The beauty of Captain Sonar is that you can play it either turn-based (like the 2-4 player turn-based counterpoint Sonar), or in real time. Captain Sonar absolutely SHINES as a real-time game. Yes, the rules explanation takes about 15-20 minutes, and you absolutely MUST have someone that knows the game inside and out to explain it, because each role ties into the other ones so closely, and everybody needs to be on the same page. You also need to coach the players communicating with their team members so that there's less confusion at the table. It's tough, and playing it in real time is probably the best way to play it, with a full contingent of 8 players. Turn-based is probably a good way to learn the mechanics, but the real-time format is what takes this game to a higher level than most other games that can play high player counts.

My group didn't find Spirit Island to be that difficult of a game to learn. The difficulty (and why I agree that it is a heavy game) is in accomplishing your goals efficiently (or at all). You can really ramp down the difficulty by selecting more straight forward spirits.

Tom looking great with that button-up and hat! Thanks for the great list! Honestly, I tend to not play or keep a game if setup is too much of a beast or if I have to re-learn the instructions every time I play it.

The series of games that included Axis and Allies, the Rome one, the Pirate one, Fortress America. All those games had a lot of setup but were a lot of fun to play at the time.

Very interesting list. I'll toss in Alchemists for consideration, it is a joy to play if you have time and brain power to spare, especially with the expansion. It takes 3-4 hours and you still feel like you didn't have enough in-game time.

Android Netrunner!

Part of what makes some of these games an "effort" is the setup time and part of that is sometimes due to how many people know the game well enough to help set it up. In the beginning Arcadia Quest was difficult because I was the only one setting it up. Once my friends got familiar with it, it became easier because we all pitched in with setup. If one person has to always be host getting things ready, some games become a pain more so than they need to be. :)

Mike you really hit the nail on the head with Arcadia Quest at #4. Great game to finish a full campaign.

Really surprised not to see through the ages 2nd edition. The game has lasted the test of time. Really involved teach but infinitely replayable. This is my #1 desert island game.

@markusschmidt9260

2 жыл бұрын

Great game, but it is not a hard teach imho, 30 minutes max, and you have to pay attention to what people are doing on the first game. It is a time investment (if you play it face to face on the table), but it flows fast. Mage Knight Board Game is much harder to get to the point, where you can play it fluently.

I would be interested in a top 10 games that aren’t worth the effort (maybe one already exists?)

@tgeorgom

2 жыл бұрын

That could be a long list.

Great lists! My pick would be Anachrony. Love it!

Without meaning to spoil anyone's list I'd recommend trying MTG Arena on PC if you want to learn Magic. Also noteworthy that there's enough different ways to play that people may find this intimidating but it only takes one that you like to be a really good experience. Drafting is a lot of fun for new and experienced players IMO as the deckbuilding becomes a minigame of sorts and everyone is working under limited circumstances.

I have different pairs of MTG: decks ramping up in rule and keyword density especially to teach it to people in a way that actually makes them want to play it :)

@danacoleman4007

9 ай бұрын

Can we get the deck lists?

Gotta say, you mentioned it a lot, but Oath is definitely mine. Absolutely ADORE the game, played it over 30 times. Once you can lock your imagination onto the narrative, it is the most satisfying tabletop experience I could possibly imagine.

MTG totally on point. I learned 30 years ago before the teaching expansion "PORTAL" came out. Portal made it easier to learn the basics for sure. Watching people play it at the morning table in High School made it very intriguing.

For me, Maracaibo. Not necessarily the heaviest game out there, but I had to solo it twice before I felt ready to teach it. But it still hits the table, still discovering new things, and still lots of fun.

I think Tom should give the Anachrony big box a try. I recall one of his favorite things about the game was the different modules you can swap in. The big box makes this SO much easier! I also really enjoy the new modules, as it takes my favorite mechanism (the time travel) and makes it even better.

Feast for Odin, Jaws of the Lion, All the Pandemic Legacies, Cooper Island

I saw Arkham Horror LCG coming from a mile away. Huge fan but I always leave it set up on the table during a campaign cycle. Would love to see Zee play through another one like he did with Dunwich Legacy!

Love the stop-motion countdown animations :D

Great list! Mine is twilight struggle. I'll check out the root app

For Mike (and all!) --- Anachrony Fractures of Time is VERY VERY worth the work to expand the game into an entirely new and deeper -- (and more fun) experience. Don't leave it in the box = ) My wife did an ENTIRE month (well, 27 days) of playing every possible configuration of the game, and for us now Anachrony is 'only' a game with Fractures.

Kudos to Zee for AH. Every expansion is like 4 new games with the same theme. Every expansion and new investigator requires you to learn new game play strategies. And you can always just kick back and try something stupid just to have fun.

@udenost

2 жыл бұрын

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5. Race for the Galaxy 4. Heroes of Land Air Sea 3. 1822mx 2. Innovation 1. Millennium Blades

Most Vital Lacerta games (my pick is The Gallerist) and all 18xx games (1862 or 1846 are my picks) are in this category for me. Love 'em, but I had quite a tough time learning to play them.

@jonaskoelker

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking along the same lines. From my list: - Terra Mystica is a lot of symbols and systems dumped into your face the first time, but by your third or fourth game it will have become second nature - Power Grid is _so_ worth the small amount of clumsy mental arithmetic (and the large amount of easy arithmetic) - Twilight Struggle is easily worth the long play duration - Food Chain Magnate is well worth thinking a few steps ahead to judge even simple maneuvers

Great list idea, made me have a look at what would be my list- 10. Sleeping Gods 9. Imperium Classic/Legends 8. Twilight Imperium 4 7. 1846 6. Root 5. City of the Big Shoulders 4. Pax Pamir 2E 3. Sidereal Confluence 2. Gloomhaven 1. Kingdom Death Monster Thanks guys, happy new year

I am surprised no one has mentioned Advanced Squad Leader. It's HELL to learn the rules, but it is a great game. (YMMV)

Arkham Horror: LCG is a great pick. The single worst part of the game is the setup between scenarios. In terms of rules weight, I'd say Scythe should be up there. Most people I teach it to understand the rules, but they don't really get the game until their second game.

1:05:59 Couldn't agree with you more, Mike 👍🏻 Love love love Root 😃 One of my favorite games of all time, if not my favorite. A unique game for sure.

For me, Shadows of Brimstone would be my "worth the effort" game, even though I don't play it much anymore. Tons of minis that all have to be assembled before use, lots of map tiles for setup and tons of cards you use during play. That said, it is amazingly fun to play.

@JBearwa

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree! Love many of their games

@tempestfury8324

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! But the game series got sooo much better! Forbidden Fortress is simply gorgeous and brilliant!

@damonbrearley3202

Жыл бұрын

@@tempestfury8324 forbidden fortress was more balanced and tighter for sure. but still unwieldy as hell

I'm new to this hobby and went to my local shop asking for a good solo game. They recommended Arkham Horror. I got home and set it up and holy shit I was overwhelmed. Glad even the pros feel it is a bit of effort. I don't feel so bad now.

@warpo007

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the hobby, Snacks! Like you, started in the hobby looking for solo games. Arkham Horror is a great solo game, I like the board game over the card version. But yep, took ages to learn and overwhelming for a new player. Don't be scared of growing your collection. ( I got AZUL at the start of the pandemic, I'm now close to 200 games) You'll find 'bad games' no matter how much they get hyped, for me it's 'Lost Ruins of Arnak' at the moment. I'm trying to get into it, but i just don't feel it. yet, it is hugely loved and popular.

@Sgt_Snacks

2 жыл бұрын

@@warpo007 I picked up AZUL as well. Are you playing that solo? I’m really liking Pandemic Legacy Season 1 so far. Playing through that with my wife. I’m a video game designer and figured board games would be a fun change of pace and maybe I can learn some things to bring to our games. I’m pretty hooked and can’t stop buying games 😂

@JJ_TheGreat

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sgt_Snacks 1) That’s cool that you are a video game designer! You should talk with Richard Ham (Rahdo is his name on his “Rahdo Runthrough” series here on KZread. He used to be a video game designer, too. 2) You may really enjoy buying board games now, but wait until you have too many and not enough space (and time) for them. That is where I am, yet I am addicted and I still continue to buy games.

One game that I love but don't pull of the shelf often enough is Stronghold 2nd edition. I bought based on Tom's review a while back and I wasn't disappointed. Every game has come down to the wire in the last couple of rounds. It does take a bit to set it up and the game is fairly lengthy for a 2 player only experience, but worth it when it does hit the table!

@mylor1066

2 жыл бұрын

I thought of Stronghold as well.

I really really want to see Pax Pamir Catchapalooza! Perfect time to do it because the new printing from the Kickstarter just shipped.

"I think i don't like games." - Zee Garcia (33:18)

My personal addition to this would be the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game. I love that game, but there's a lot of setup to get it together.

Took us 4 hours to figure out Wingspan. Once we figured it out, it was really great, but somehow understanding the rules was just hard.

@RadishTheFool

2 жыл бұрын

I highly recommend watching a rules explanation video, especially if there is one by the Watch It Played channel. Makes a huge difference in learning new games.

@tempestfury8324

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! There are so many "how to play" videos. Easy peasy.

of my 200 game collection. Spirit island is favourite hands down.

Arkham Horror #1! Zee, I found Arkham Horror LCG from watching your 2016 top 10 and I've been into hard since Halloween.

For me, it is Root, FOR SURE! I promised not to buy an expansion until we had a dedicated group for it. Now we do and I just bought The Marauder expansion :D GOOD STUFF! And yes, I always recommend everyone to try the app.

Mike, I love your number 6!

Spirit Island is definitely worth it.

@robertbouley7697

2 жыл бұрын

Most rewarding game I ever absorbed

@patrickvalo8822

2 жыл бұрын

So my group beat the core game without adversarys and scenarios. What is the next step? We used blight cards, events and all expansions icons added. Is the next step adversary lvl 1?

@EfrainRiveraJunior

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickvalo8822 - Yes, or you can try more complex Spirits.

I got play Anno 1800 and I really enjoyed it. Playing with experienced players really helped because they explained the paths to my husband and me.

Spirit Island is definitely worth it. I'd also add in Dawn of the Zeds.

Feudum for me hands down. The teach is a slog, the board can get in its own way, and there are mechanics within mechanics, but the player and guild interactions... chef's kiss!

@michaeldilisio557

2 жыл бұрын

I considered Feudum, but it’s been a long time since I’ve played it, so I didn’t go with it in the end.

@ImperatorZed

2 жыл бұрын

Feudum feels like a normal to good euro with 3x the teach

Mage Knight is considerably harder to set up than KDM (once the models are built of course), but I don't consider either of them being a huge effort. The effort with Mage Knight is teaching it.

@StefanSochinsky

2 жыл бұрын

I sort of have a hard time getting it to click with players because a lot of the time they don't get the 'playing a card sideways' mechanic

My Top 10: 1. Arkham Horror: The Card Game 2. Aeon's End 3. Gloomhaven 4. Twilight Struggle 5. Monumental 6. Too Many Bones 7. Spirit Island 8. Glory to RomeAnachrony 9. Glory to Rome 10.Sleeping Gods

I'm perpetually amazed by how much Zee loves Claustrophobia 1643. What with the tons of minis, etc it feels like a very odd pick for him...but I'm not going to say more since it is a damn good game

@tempestfury8324

2 жыл бұрын

I actually like the original game better....going against the grain.

I KNEW he meant Magic the Gathering when he said "99% of the people, you don't want to learn this game from"

I've yet to play TI4 after recently purchasing it, but it seems like an obvious choice for this list. I would personally put Scythe up there as well. I don't think base Scythe is actually a particularly great game over the long run, as I think it's somewhat "solved" and also has balancing issues. However, I really enjoy playing solo against the automa deck, as well as the campaign and numerous expansions that mix things up and make it less of a static race in the early game. To me, the experience of Scythe is better than the actual gameplay itself because of all the theme and components. Gloomhaven is also up there for me.

@devekut2

2 жыл бұрын

I have TI3 and it only got to the table once. It was a great time, but rounding people up for it is an issue. I think it has been unfairly dubbed as too daunting for many.

@amunt3r

2 жыл бұрын

The Fenris expansion for Scythe adds a bunch of extra options that certainly shake up the "solved" issue. I guess, too, that good Scythe players will disrupt the set strategies of others. I love TI4 but it's so hard to get "normal" people to devote a whole day to it, even with free food and beer. You have to find other TI4 devotees and then hope they are actually fun people, not oxygen thieves.

Aliens: Another Glorious Day in the Corps is a lesser known one that takes a lot of time to set up and there are a lot of rules to remember but man there is nothing more thematic and nothing as good at buildimg tension as that game. Balancing your low ammo and watching the motion tracker blips swarm in is amazing

Mike: I don't like wargames. His List: At least 3 wargames.

Absolutely love Pax Pamir, it’s very fun to wrap the brain in the strategy of it.

Apps for some complex games can lessen the learning curve. I actually enjoyed the tutorial in the Through the Ages app.

Root the app taught me how to play the board game. It still took several days for me to wrap my head around all of the factions.

High Frontier 4 All, 18xx games, Mage Knight, Pax games, Through the Ages, Civilization, Diplomacy, Too Many Bones, COIN games, Feudom, and Robinson Crusoe (for me, at least. Also feel free to.skip the Ecklund games on moral grounds...) Also, I remember the pork chops and applesauce quote 😄 (millennial who grew up on TV Land for reference)

Interesting selection of games. I'd love to play some legacy like Pandemic for instance. Also I agree with Magic the gathering reaching third place as it's a good card game, even though it'd be my brother that's more into it. Sleeping gods looks interesting too.

The setup for Arkham Horror is the only reason it’s not my favorite FF LCG (that goes to Marvel Champions), but once its all sorted out it’s definitely a phenomenal game.

Waiting on the fold out maps for Gloomhaven. Only reason I haven't bought it yet. JOTL is currently my favorite game.

I would definitely mention Twilight Imperium and Spirit Island. Glad Mike mentioned the last of these two.

I would recommend Dice Throne, and Dice Throne Adventures. It's a dice slinging game, have heard it described as battle yahtzee. The adventures version is a dungeon crawl with boss battles.

I completely concur with War of the Ring. I'm just sad it's hard to find people willing to learn it...

I am one of those weird guys that loves the sorting of cards for Legendary, haha, and Aliens is my favorite!

Personally I'd add Nightfall. It's a bit difficult to teach but then pretty easy to play, scales well with more players, and has a surprising amount of depth once people know what they're doing

Glory to Rome is a pretty good one. Nearly impossible to find unless you make a print-and-play version (or pay a printing house to build you a copy). Plus the rules are a real bear to learn. But if you make it past all that, man - what a bonkers game. Every single time I play somebody finds a new weird card interaction and just breaks the entire game in half and it's wonderful

My picks: 10. Race For The Galaxy 9. Mage Wars 8. Cthulhu Wars 7. Renegade 6. Fort 5. Dinosaur Island 4. Terraforming Mars 3. Magic The Gathering 2. Blood On The Clocktower 1. Dune Imperium

I really missed Millennium Blades from this list, also I know you guys are not Vital fans, but I think one of his games should deserve a spot as well, my personal pick would be The Gallerist.

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Millennium Blades would definitely be one of my picks. Assembling the store decks can take a while, and stickering up all the money is a nightmare.

Love what you guys do! Are any of you still teachers? Or is this your full time job now?

I feel like I’m part of that 10% of people who can teach people MTG. Love that game, stopped playing it for years but such a great game even for us casual gamers

I'm a little surprised 7th Continent wasn't on Tom's list, but that being said there were a lot of good picks here. I know I saw it in other comments, but I'd definitely have Robinson Crusoe on my list. It's one of my favorite cooperative games, but that rulebook is just horrible! I haven't yet checked BGG, but I wonder if someone has made a revised edition of the rulebook that you can acquire? Great video!