Thank god its not true. 599$ apparently. Not the best price but way more reasonable than anything else right now. Let's wait for performance results~

This GPU at over 599 is gonna be DOA. Nice try Nvidia

@mikkodoria4778

Жыл бұрын

Naaah, people will buy this gpu nonetheless

@DropMasta

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia didnt even try.

@j.d.4697

Жыл бұрын

They are not trying to sell it if they price it like that, they wanna sell the TI. You are so gullible...

@xadxtya

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.4697 Fr people don’t get marketing. 4090 is the best value COMPARED to all the other cards and that is why it is selling like wildfire even at outrageous prices

@TheMoafo

Жыл бұрын

​@@mikkodoria4778only if they're retarded or if they have their covid jab (which is a way to say you're clinically proven retarded)

It's closer to a 3070Ti. Specs leaked indicate it's 27% slower than the 4070Ti. The 3070Ti is about 30% slower. It has to be

@Lucas-ck1po

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter, people buy anyways

@keel3r433

Жыл бұрын

​@@Lucas-ck1po people do, I think nvidia is trying to see what prices they can charge while still making a ton of money and not having to produce nearly as much anymore

@Penguin-gq7mp

Жыл бұрын

It's 3070 ti /3080 perf but the same price with same vram 2 years later lmao

@how2pick4name

Жыл бұрын

My RX 6800 lies between a 3070Ti and 3080. Why do I need this? :D

@IrocZIV

Жыл бұрын

Unless Nvidia thinks DLSS 3.0 will sell it...

it's not insane it's nvidia.

@victorflorinstefan480

Жыл бұрын

Ngreedia

@amirtak9886

Жыл бұрын

That slogan should be engraved into every NVIDIA card.

7900xt is looking good at 749.99

Well, I feel a whole lot better about my 3080 10 GB at this point.

@alzeal

Жыл бұрын

Same here, the 10gb is really limiting me though in VR, was hoping for the 7900xtx but its VR performance sucks. Will be waiting for next gen it seems.

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@alzeal Why not a 4080 then?

@xadxtya

Жыл бұрын

@@alzeal VR uses more VRAM?

@seandillon6093

Жыл бұрын

@xadxtya It would be a very interesting video investigation. The 7900 xtx has plenty of vram. However, I hear people say that it sucks for vr. Is this real? Or just fanboys? Driver issues? Don't know. VR is still niche enough that is not a priority for developers.

@ThaexakaMavro

Жыл бұрын

your 10gb 3080 is already running out of memory sell that pos

Intel Arc A770 16 gb seems like a very good deal now for gaming, streaming and some video editing.

@owomushi_vr

Жыл бұрын

Yup got me this card

@zdspider6778

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy the piss-poor drivers and not being able to run older games (like, at all, they crash at boot). Unacceptable.

@dazeen9591

Жыл бұрын

A770 is trash. Just get RX6600 instead it's a much more stable card and a lot cheaper too.

@ovemalmstrom7428

Жыл бұрын

@@dazeen9591 I agree to disagree.

@owomushi_vr

Жыл бұрын

@@ovemalmstrom7428 I'm happy

Companies just think their products are worth whatever people buy it for. They hate this one trick where you don't buy it when they try to duopolize and price fix the market.

In my country a good motorcyle is cheaper than a 4080 . I am keeping my 2070 even if it means one day I will have to play at 720p low Windowed screen .

$400-500 is a fair price range for such a card, anything more is a robbery.

@extreme123dz

Жыл бұрын

299 - 349$ IS the FAIR PRICE for ALL 70 series and ALL the variations (Ti, Super, Xt, XTX, etc)

@Kumar-zn3ll

Жыл бұрын

@@extreme123dzi want to have whatever your smoking

@16xthedetail76

Жыл бұрын

@@Kumar-zn3ll Thats how it always was before crackhead nvidia got greedy.

@zdspider6778

Жыл бұрын

@@Kumar-zn3ll It's a mid-range card, my dude. At $500+ you'd expect to game in 4k, but it's not a 4k card, because it has a limited memory bus (192-bit when all the 70-class GPUs manufactured in the last DECADE came with 256-bit).

@skullduggerry

Жыл бұрын

Imo 450-500 is reasonable for a 70-tier GPU, maybe 550, but anymore is just crazy. I got a new 3080 for less than the 4070 msrp and it will probably be equally fast, which is crazy.

Wait to see what you bring to the table sequence your way to a new build.

Maybe if they priced it at $550. They are still in crypto mode. I can wait.

I like watching videos of GPUS I can't afford

@delresearch5416

Жыл бұрын

More fun than playing pirated games.

@CaptainScorpio24

Жыл бұрын

​@@delresearch5416🤣🤣🤣🤣true 💯

Obviously that would mean they want to sell more 4070TIs.

It should cost $350-400, max. They doubled their price in 3 generations. Meanwhile, if you look at CPUs they stayed mostly the same. It's because AMD has been setting their prices according to Nvidia instead of, you know, competing. Both of these companies should be investigated for colluding and price fixing. Anti-consumerism at its best. The whole GPU market is a giant turd right now because of these two companies. And make no mistake, Intel would've charged A LOT MORE if they had a good product and weren't trying to enter the market.

The main role of the rtx 4070 is to help sell the rtx 4070 ti and push its pricing up!

Got a 3080ti for 600CAD$. Glad I bought it last year.

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

That's a great deal!

They are "leaking" $749, so the public isn't to outraged when it is $699 at the end. But in reality calculating TSMC's price hikes and inflation it should be $379 maximum.

AMD has a huge opportunity here for market share!!! But we've seen this before. They WILL Phuk it up!

@michaelangst6078

Жыл бұрын

. All Nviida has to do is drop the price if AMD undercuts them. This whole AMD can takeover narrative is BS spewed out by people who have low IQ's

I just bought a beautiful mint condition white PS4 Slim, the thing is a beauty, for only 189 dollars in box. And I have being buying cheap used games and I don't pay digital or PS Plus crap. Can't be happier, who needs these expensive cards? Remember you have options guys, if not, just get an Xbox Series S and be done.

Specs show it closer to 10% slower compared to 4070 ti. GPU:s have been aiming around the sweet spot where half the time its bandwidth limited and half the time its compute limited. And increasing bandwidth side is a bit more expensive than the compute side. And 4070ti seems to have lowest effective bandwidth to flops ratio of 40 series. Effective bandwidth is bandwidth modified with cache hit-rate.

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the 4070ti should have had a 256bit bus. While the 4080 should have had a 320bit bus.

@jouniosmala9921

Жыл бұрын

​@@ZackSNetwork You missed the point that bandwidth was the expensive part. Especially now that compute is only thing that actually scales well from newer process nodes and wafers cost a lot more than they used to. However, anything early on 40 series was doomed to be something that would make 30 series look good enough for people to buy new from store without Nvidia having to drop prices to insanely low levels for 30 series. And insanely low I, mean selling them at manufacturing costs while not contributing anything for the actual true costs of staying in the GPU business.

@atnfn

Жыл бұрын

How does lowering the Cuda cores by 23% and clockspeed by 5% result in only 10% lower performance?

@jouniosmala9921

Жыл бұрын

@@atnfn I just used average of each bottleneck weighted by its change and effect. Large fraction of CUDA cores are sitting idle a lot of time because there's bottleneck elsewhere. The most common bottleneck is the memory subsystem of the GPU. And by memory subsystem I mean both the cache and memory. And if they are sitting idle then cutting them have zero effect on performance of that portion of execution time. The simplest model of relative performance would be averaging the change in effective bandwidth and compute. Which in this case leads to 13.75% because bandwidth doesn't change. Then considering that it was a bit bandwidth starved begin width the bandwidth should have higher weight than 50% and the other minor issues made me round down to 10%. So with given specs I would say that difference is between 10%-14%.

@atnfn

Жыл бұрын

@@jouniosmala9921 So does that mean some of the cuda cores on the 4070 Ti are pointless? Or maybe they are useful for other tasks than gaming.

In my country, 7900xtx costs 30% more than 7900xt, so prices settled the performance debate. 7900xt is the card to get off you can't go with top of the line

Well, doesn't matter how much we all complain about the gpu pricing. All of us are still going to buy (or enough so AMD/Nvidia can afford that pricing) the gpu's. The only way to win this war against 10% more performance and insane pricing, is to STOP buying. I upgraded my whole pc except for the gpu. Rocking DDR5 + 7700x with a 2080 stock. Gonna keep me rolling for a long time. The gpu prices in norway are insane ... 7900 xtx is 1400-1500 usd, the 4090 2300-2700 usd

@daniels.5091

Жыл бұрын

I did the same thing, my 2070 I bought for 400€, will survive till the next gen of cards

4070 will be 699, and the 4060 will be 599. We now nvidia tactics by now.

what does the 4070 offer in the current market? I mean seriously for the price of a 7900XT, it makes no sense buying anything else in that price range.

What was 3070 MSRP in 2020 and what was inflation in USA in 2020-2022 regarding raw materials ?

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

499. not 160%.

Comeon nvidia pesants, hurry up and buy it, support the price gouge, support the death of AIB's :D

@bartekowca666

Жыл бұрын

RIP EVGA :(

@brutallica2944

Жыл бұрын

@@bartekowca666 Indeed

The laptop versions have a thermal design from 60W to 175W. Do i have to pay extra for a 60W 4080?? 60W 4080 is still 8x faster than 12700H. So i can make 8 hour render in 1 hour with not so noisy laptop. But rendering needs GPU RAM.

GTX 1630 v 1650 shows the small gap in pricing will continue.

1:32 lmao

- since RTX cards appeared .. I've gone crazy with the prices .. on GTX you had extra performance for the same MSRP .. now you have performance, you have higher energy consumption and the MSRP is also increasing, now not it's worth upgrading :) - since when video cards with 70 behind ... middle end ended up costing more than GTX 1080 TI top of the range so that's an idea ... - now is not the mining period.. if it was the mining period, where would the prices reach at low GPU again? :)))

IDK bro even 749 sounds too good to be true

@miachelsanta7763

Жыл бұрын

Will they make it a 4070 ti ti if they want to make it costlier than 4070 ti .

Man when are they going to announce the 4080 tI. That is the card im waiting for tbh

3:30. Who's doing OK? OPERATING COST is increased by 50%, and that's never a good sign. I feel a wave of layoffs incoming

Nvidia is clearly repositioning the brand as a super premium product. TSMC has increased the prices? Nvidia is doing that too, if they double the price and they will sell half of the cards it would still be a big win for them, and they are leaving to Intel (and Amd, if Amd even cares) the "budget" products. Unfortunately we can call them Ngreedia all we want, but if consumers keep buying their stuff at those insane prices while should they lower their prices?

On top of the prices, remember NIVIDIA prevents open-source driver development using digital signatures, that are required inside the drivers, and only NVIDIA holds the signing key. They did this just so Linux can no longer develop an open-source driver for NVIDIA cards. With over 80% market share, NVIDIA single-handedly held back Linux and FOSS adoption for over a decade. And they do this even when Steam and other launchers can play almost any game on Linux. The card's vBIOS is encrypted so there can be no BIOS modding community for NVIDIA cards. They force users to load proprietary drivers and then control the board performance and power level, or restrict features like DLLS3, the number of NVENC encoders available, LHR, virtualization , or compute performance for data center.

The sad part is that if we, the consumers, continue to pursue keeping up with the Joneses, then Nvidia and AMD will continue to keep prices elevated. Does a 20%, even a 30%, increase in performance truly make all but the pros’ computer use experiences that much better? I know my viewpoint is a matter of opinion. And if a significant portion of the market wants and can afford to keep up with the Joneses, that is their privilege. The marketing departments at Nvidia and AMD appear to be banking on that phenomena.

yay. GPU market that hasn't evolved much in the sub 500€ range since i bought my GPU more than 5+years ago? check. they r probably gonna push the pricing until the integrated graphics catches up to the performance of an rtx3050 and everyone stops buying their stuff because why would we.

damn a ps5 sure is tempting right now

It's starting to look more and more like nVidia painted themselves in to a corner with DDR6X Vram. It's the same as the HBM2 VRam on the Radeon VII where they lost money on the sale. If that's the case, the only thing nVidia can do is release a line with just straight DDR6. Of course, doing that might expose 4000 series as trash. The real tech being the super expensive VRam.

AMD and Nvidia are both effectively price fixing the market and making their lower tier models terrible value for money

This is called anchoring. They 'leak' a higher price than the intended price target. That way the actual launch price looks good in comparison. Premature price complaints are muffled while in reality the price is still too damn high anyway.

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

I was going to touch on that in the video, but I didnt make it clear enough.

Popcorn prices

Nvidia about to lose a lot of money.

With nVidia the price to performance gets just worse the lower price the GPUs get. Unfortunately AMD seem to be copying nVidia, hopefully that will change with the 7800xt. The 7800xt/7700xt are the last chances for a decently priced GPU this generation (cause we already know the 4060 will be awful, the 4060 will probably be $649)

Rx 7800 .. waiting 🤠

RTX 4070ti is $799 😮 in my country RTX 4070ti is $1000-1200 😢

AMD and NVIDIA is killing PC gaming with their prices, if this keeps up prices will only increase as both companies realize only those with enough money can afford PC gaming.

Ngreedia probably gonna ask 750 or 700 for 4070. They have large stock of 4080 rebranded 4070ti so they are not going to produce lot of 4070 .

I don't know how nvidia can raise prices with every gpu release in this economy where top banks are collapsing and everyone losing their jobs

I think we are getting aged milk from Nvidia.

Exaggerated prices how much that's cost to the manufacturer ? No more than 50$

599 would be hugh, anything higher is pure joke

Hence the nickname NGredia

AMD has slept! Where are amd budget gpus?

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

lost in the RX6000 series.

If it's affecient like the 3070, it's not for gamers it's for miners and that will explain a bit. Miners buy many while gamers buy ONE. and they want as much cash as possible! .

The msrp will not matter, they will sell it for $799

This kind of gpu should cost around 399€. But for nvidia fanboys its perfect, nvidia should rise the price becouse people will buy that sht.

Nvidia is still playing their game extremely well. Make the price of new GPUs so outlandish that people are forced to consider buying the last generation. This has two benefits. 1. They clear out the old stock, which is a huge pain in their backside after the mining crash 2. Some people WILL buy those GPUs at those outlandish prices, allowing them to break even faster. Of course, AMD is also following the same strategyeven though this is their GOLDEN opportunity to gain market share. Why are they doing this? Because the market as a whole isn't stable rn. People are getting laid off left and right with greatly decreased purchasing power, and that is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE TIME TO BET on the consumer loyalty

Im gonna go amd i think. A 7800xt wpuld be fine as hell

@Doug-mu2ev

Жыл бұрын

Sure, but at what price and performance? A 7800XT that has equal raster perf to a 6900XT while drawing under 220W and costs only $600? That would be sweet… but can AMD make it happen?

Lost generation.

I hope more people will open their eyes and quit being fanboys. The CPU prices remained stable and didnt get ridiculous over the past 10 years. Nvidia went nuts with 40 gen and AMD considers is normal to sell a GPU for 1000$, this is unacceptable.

I’d buy this card for $550 if that was with tax and over msrp of $399/450.

@thetechrealist

Жыл бұрын

And would you like a can of coke for a quarter too? JK lol 🤣😆

Rtx 4090 at MSRP is actually not a bad deal at this point 🤣😂🤣😂

@TheCRDMiller

Жыл бұрын

i think it always was a fair price

Unfortunately Nvidia, AMD and Intel will always push the boundaries of what they can charge folks for PC hardware. And they know they can, because in all honesty there are no real cheap solutions anymore.

Nvidia ☕

Laughs in RTX 4090 Super, I cant wait until Nvidia launches the "Super" refresh of the RTX 4000 series and makes all these cards obsolete.

@CaptainScorpio24

Жыл бұрын

exactly. ppl shud wait until nvidia put out all the lineup on shelf.

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Do you even know what obsolete even means? It means no longer of value or use. A super refresh would just be a slight small percent faster and slightly cheaper.

@WiseSilverWolf

Жыл бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork There have been rumors saying that the "Super" refresh might add things like Displayport 2.1 (instead of the current 1.4a) along with the usual upgrades like more memory, cuda cores, etc. All the people who paid big bucks to have the latest and greatest with the RTX 4090 are going to want to sell their regular RTX 4090's and get an RTX 4090 Super instead.

@CaptainScorpio24

Жыл бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork super refresh will b there in 4080 n 4090 . 4070 ti n below is useless

@Danuxsy

Жыл бұрын

@@WiseSilverWolf Uhm no I think they'll just wait for the 5000 series instead lol

It should not cost more than $719.99

I hope Intel brings Nvidia back from the crack binge.

I'm very happy with my RX 6800 and I'm never buying Nvidia again.

Imagine using MLID as a source in 2023

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

Imagine posting a useless comment in 2023.

@dwhutto

Жыл бұрын

@@BootSequence Imagine being wrong because you believed MLID, again.

Nvidia are now officially the bad guys. 👎

@NonMeusNomen

Жыл бұрын

No, the people buying these cards are the bad guys. Idiots are working against their own self-interest because they have no impulse control.

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Companies are not your friends. AMD’s RDNA3 launch was still a dumpster fire. However they see many people aren’t buying their GPU’s so their prices are dropping faster. Money talks and bullshit walks.

@NonMeusNomen

Жыл бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork Where do you see AMD GPU prices dropping, because where I live, they haven't budged.

😂 $749 4070 for 5000 cuda core 30% less performances. Vs 4070ti 7800 cuda core. Greedy Nivida investor again. All their Sillicon Vally Bank investment lost all claim from Gamers again.

That’s a rip off. Why would anyone buy a 4070 if it’s 50 bucks less than a 4070 Ti? Nvidia’s greed knows no bound.

Videos like this are great if you like changing a lot of diapers in the comments section.

I heared the 4060 is 8 o 11% at almost 400 bucks. At this rate it might be 500.

@DETERMINOLOGY

Жыл бұрын

Crazy part, From the 4070 Ti to the 4080 is 20-23% faster and its 400$ more. Go figure. For me i have a 1440p / 165Hz and i went for the RTX 4070 Ti. 4080 is stronger not going to say its not but for 400$ is it really worth it for the price to performance. I dont see it. Theres been sites/videos on dollar per frame and the 4070 Ti beats it. @ this point for 4070 Ti can do atm i dont honestly need a 4080 as well i mean it would have to be some really unoptimized games on the horizon or some extremely demanding games to hit. And even then i know how to not play @ everything needs to be ultra with RT cut on so. For the games ive tested all of them went smooth with no problems

The RTX 3070 came with 5888 CUDA Cores and a 256-bit memory bus. The "new" RTX 4070 has the same CUDA Core count as last generation and a smaller 192-bit memory bus, - all that for a whopping 50 dollar savings over the 4070-Ti 's 7680 CUDA Cores? I don't see anyone buying this card. Why 'save' 50 dollars at the expense of nearly 2000 additional CUDA Cores? For that matter where's the improvement over the last generation 70 series? I don''t see any. DONT BUY IT.

@DETERMINOLOGY

Жыл бұрын

You dont see vs what will happen is different. People will buy the card because its "cheaper" then the 4070 Ti. Same will happen with the 4060 Ti when it drops. Just the way it goes.

@lightrentals9195

Жыл бұрын

@@DETERMINOLOGY I have the 4070Ti even though everyone was ragging on it before release. It was in my budget and I got value for my money in this market. Now they want to sell a card with almost 2000 fewer CUDA Cores for only 50 dollars less than what I paid for the 4070-Ti. You'd have to be daft to give up the extra 2000 CUDA Cores for a measly 50 dollar 'savings'. Those are the cheapest 2000 extra CUDA Cores Nvidia ever sold.

@DETERMINOLOGY

Жыл бұрын

@@lightrentals9195 Dope card to be honest no matter what reviewers say. Alot of people please the viewers and content creators and not buy what they need or what works for them. That said to your comment people see cheaper they will buy. When the 3060 Ti drops watch people will say thats the best bang for your buck. Sad but true

It seems like everyone has accepted that things are a lot more expensive now except when it comes to gpus. Gamers just can't accept the new reality.

@zawiasfx

Жыл бұрын

Well, when it comes to pc its pretty much only GPU going up. Everything else is going down, and fast (especially cpus)

Why is everyone still dreaming about the good old days of pricing GPU's cheap and stacking them high? Gaming GPU's are now a luxury product for a much smaller market segment and are priced accordingly. Nvidia have $B's in withheld stock and they have discounted the last gen but still they can't get it sold through the channel, they can't because the buyers are mainly all gone and with them any hope of the good old days. Sorry guys but for a while, perhaps forever, PC gaming is a niche market.

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

Everything that your saying is wrong. The gaming segment is still worth more than the AI segment that Nvidia is interested in. Nvidia sold out of all their 3080, 3080ti, 3090 and 3090ti Ampere stock many months ago. Know they are just making 3060 and 3060ti cards with different VRAM variations. Also how is PC gaming a niche market when PC gaming and gaming as a whole is bigger than it ever has been in history? It’s okay to be upset but, don’t go talking two paragraphs of foolishness.

@nevergoingtoupload

Жыл бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork I am not sure where you get that PC gaming is the biggest it has ever been, sales are on the floor and none of the manufacturers are chasing anything other than high margin low volume sales. Perhaps lots of people are still gaming on old hardware but they are not upgrading in great numbers. I am not upset, I just see that the numbers are a result of the market reality. If AMD or Nvidia could halve their cut on a GPU tomorrow but treble the sales they would do it in a heart beat because they make move money overall. Nvidia don't want to hold back $4B in stock they just have no choice at the moment. The simple fact is they don't believe the buyers are out in enough numbers for low margin high volume sales to be viable and they are probably right. My 6800XT does just fine at 1440P and perhaps that is yet another problem, why upgrade just for the sake of it? If it failed tomorrow I probably would get one of the current gen cards but only because I had to.

It is almost as if Nvidia and AMD want poor sales to go to investors and say: "we're scrapping consumer GPUs due to lack of demand."

Wow, salty McSalt Salt, “At least you get AV1 decoding and some fake frames”… I’m guessing Mr McSaltypants meant AV1 ENCODING (since AV1 decode has been around since 30 series, though hard to tell since Intel and AMD also have AV1 encode/decode this gen). So Snows (if that is your REAL name) what are you rocking in your personal rig?

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

you can get Av1 encode off a sub 300$ intel card, or in a last gen AMD laptop. I have a 2080.

@Doug-mu2ev

Жыл бұрын

@@BootSequence love you dude, but no; you cannot do AV1 encode on the AMF encoder on a 6000 series AMD mobile GPU. Prove me wrong :-)

@YayDanMan

Жыл бұрын

Why on earth does one small error regarding AV1 even matter when the whole point of this video is rightfully dressing down Nvidia for riding the covid/crypto market on their sky-high kites and deserves a reality check? 🤣 Oh, and before you ask since it's apparently relevant - RTX 3080 currently and history of team green cards as long as I've been a PC gamer

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@BootSequence The AMD 6500xt is a laptop GPU made into a desktop GPU and it doesn’t have encoding capabilities. So why would an AMD laptop GPU have it?

@Doug-mu2ev

Жыл бұрын

@@YayDanMan AV1 encode is the farthest from a “small thing” that you can get. Honestly, for anyone who makes videos it is nothing short of magical (you can basically cut your file size in half while maintaining the same quality; it is nuts). I think it is one of the big reasons to upgrade (that is if you create video content… it is something I would expect Snows to know a bit about). But yes, I am giving him a bit of a hard time :-)