Upgraded from a 6850k to the 7950x3d. I knew it would be faster, but I didn't realize how much. So far its been interesting seeing 8 cores shut off for some games (like Valheim) and others where all cores were being utilized (Bannerlord with 1000 troops)

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

The 7950x3d is an over priced scam. You should have went with the i9 13900k.

@theantsaretakingover

Жыл бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork with that heat? Yeah, no thanks.

@otozinclus3593

Жыл бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork Yes, you save 150$ for the CPU and have to invest 200$ extra in the Mainboard and cooling. The 13900K only reaches the speed it gets in benchmarks if you let it consume 400watts of power, on simular power consumption it is about 25-30% slower in multicore

@KillerKowalski_

Жыл бұрын

@@theantsaretakingover What heat? Been using a 13900k since October and the only time you're seeing super high thermals on either AMD or Intel is synthetic benchmarks...

@SpeedDaemon3

Жыл бұрын

@@KillerKowalski_ the problem is 13900k requires liquid cooling. AMD does it on good old air cooling and low temps due to 120W tdp. (i know it uses more than that). Some of us don't want water anywhere near their pc. :P

At about $325 the 13700k is hard to beat. I tried going all AMD, but I couldn't get anything to post. And any game that doesn't use the 3d, along with 99% of all other software, is going to lose to a regular 7950x which is also cheaper.

@bookkeeper1995

Жыл бұрын

couldn't get anything to post huh, sounds like a skill issue

@Djuntas

Жыл бұрын

@@bookkeeper1995 Maybe just people not buying AMD expo ram.

@bookkeeper1995

Жыл бұрын

@@Djuntas could be, amd memory controllers are notoriously needly lately.

@Djuntas

Жыл бұрын

@@bookkeeper1995 yes the ram I now bought for 7800X3D system was kingston fury beast low profile...Sadly only CL36 5600 mhz, cause I also heard ppl had problems with G.skills low profile CL32 6000 mhz on my motherboard etc.

@bookkeeper1995

Жыл бұрын

@@Djuntas I've got the gskil tridents on mine running at 6k, no issues thankfully. The 7700x is an absurd beast tho, if I upgrade it'll be next gen, with a max clock of 5.8 I see no reason to go anywhere

I'm 100% down with a drop-in 1080p OLED for the Steam Deck. I've swaped the analog sticks, added liquid metal, swapped the 64GB EMMC for a 1TB NVMe , and even swapped out the Delta Fan when I got the original ProjectKillswitch with the magnetic stand that affected the fan speed. My only gripe with it currently is the screen. I play lower spec titles and just gamestream anything stronger, so a 1080p screen wouldn't affect performance at all.

currently running a 5800x3d and a 6800xt.. I dont forsee an upgrade in my future till navi 4 and probably an 8800x3d.

I would love to use the 7950X3D for game development. Fast performance with 3d cache in the game editor, with insane 16 core compile times

Son, the difference of boost clocks between 7950X3D of 5.7Ghz and the 7800X3D 5.0Ghz does not apply to the CCD with the 3D V-cache on the 7950X3D. On average, the CCD with 3D V-cache found in the 7950X3D peaks slightly higher than 5.0Ghz like 5.05 to 5.1Ghz *on very rare instances*. It's mostly running at 4.8Ghz or slightly higher on average. So, yeah if you only care about gaming, the 7800X3D is the chip for you. No need to mess around with Xbox Game Bar, BIOS settings, core parking, process lasso and all that crap. I really wanted to get the 16 core X3D chip, but AMD screwed up for not giving both CCDs the 3D V-cache treatment and created this hot mess by not doing a hard wired Thread Director inside the chips like Intel did. Pure laziness and greed. No - thank you.. I'll pass on the "flagship" model this time around. I'm definitely getting a 7800X3D at launch (if I'm lucky). Hopefully AMD will do right by us and will put the 3D V-cache on both CCDs for the next AM5 Ryzen 9 chips - with a more refined process node, the clocks should be higher with even lower power requirements and temps to boot! My Strix B650E-E will be waiting for it. Why did I go with AMD instead of Intel for my new build? Efficiency. High performing Intel chips are too power hungry.

@cristiant6566

Жыл бұрын

ditto, id love the 16 core monster but i just want to throw it into a board and play games. im sure amd will fix it, but thats the catch with everything AMD - buy now, fix later.

@agoogleuser2369

Жыл бұрын

@@cristiant6566 Yup, I'm with you, I just want to turn on my PC and play games. Last thing I need as a middle aged man is to waste my time and patience with poorly designed products that don't work right straight out of the box. AMD should have done a better job by hard-wiring something similar to Intel's Thread Director directly to these X3D chips.

@ceuser3555

Жыл бұрын

AM5? I doubt it. AM6 more likely.

@ceuser3555

Жыл бұрын

It shows you why Intel has been the dominant cpu for the longest period of time. They do everything well. I wish Intel pushed for at least 16 p cores though.

@agoogleuser2369

Жыл бұрын

@@ceuser3555 Not when it comes to power and thermal efficiency vs performance... Intel is really lagging behind. I'll stick to my 7800X3D (once I can finally purchase one for myself) for a few years. I really hope they stick with AM5 for at least 3 or 4 years. I'll be very mad if they start going the Intel way on new chipsets and motherboards for future chips like Intel does.

It took nearly a year for the Steam Deck to be available without waiting. If you waited to get yours and then Valve immediately made it outdated then I’d bet you would be pissed. They need to give people at least a year or two. Plus that means that upgrade will be more substantial if they wait for RDNA 4 or something.

Finally got my pre-order after a year and a bit of waiting was still first in my city have one lol. I got the 512gb version I upgraded it with a 2tb SSD and a 1tb SD card. And the Jsaux dock with the added m.2 storage. I find device more of a tinkerers dream then a full fleshed out console.

I own an RTX 2070 pc, RTX3080 laptop and a steam deck and I find my self playing a lot on the Steamdeck, it's just too convenient, especially in train or travel

I would be interested to see an APU with 3D cache for a low power mini pc, like the ASUS PN series fitted with a Ryzen 7745U processor with 3D cache

@otozinclus3593

Жыл бұрын

What would be its purpose? Its GPU limited anyway

I would go for a seasoned 5800X3D. I’ve built 3 of them over the last month and they are the monsters of gaming when tuned properly.

@macre8389

Жыл бұрын

How can you tune them? Do you have a guide?

@techluvin7691

Жыл бұрын

@@macre8389 I don’t require a guide. I’ve tuned every build I sell. How do you tune them? By going into bios and making changes that increase performance while remaining within the limits of the architecture. This means adjusting primary, secondary, and tertiary ram timings, raising power limits, adjusting pbo settings for Ryzen……..and a host of other bios tweaks.

Got a 3070 laptop deal from CC instead of steam deck... I'll wait until the next gen Steam Deck and probably get that one instead.

Should of moved the links to your left to throw us a curveball to go along with the different set.

Preordered an AM5 motherbord and DDR5 memory, they will come this week. Just waiting för the 7800x3D release Hopefully it will be a big enough "upgrade" from my present 5800x3D

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

definitely an overall upgrade!

@miachelsanta7763

Жыл бұрын

I am keeping my 5800x3d till next year , I see no reason to upgrade , din't mean to pull your leg but 7900x3d and 7950x3d have set the bar pretty high for 7800x3d , and I don't think it will deliver . Besides unless you are playing on 1080p , 5800x3d will not bottleneck even the 4090 (by more than 1%).

@shi-woonyi2605

Жыл бұрын

You can probably skip this and even the next generation with a 5800x3D unless you do esports with a 1000 refresh rate monitor ^^

@darrenmaharaj

Жыл бұрын

@@miachelsanta7763 I just received new DDR5 memory and a decent X670 motherboard. No turning back

@miachelsanta7763

Жыл бұрын

@@darrenmaharaj Do reply back after you game for few days once your 7800x3d arrives , would like to now how cool it stays , how much better performance you got out of it and your experience .

im happy with first steam deck no need new yet, current one needs more games support

Though I am interested in the steam deck and would like to see it succeed, I have no interest in buying the first generation of the product. I'll wait till the refresh or next gen to consider it. Logically to me I think I'd rather just use my money to buy a decent laptop to game on the go.

@clayman71497

Жыл бұрын

​@Shionne even if a game is labeled unsupported, it can still run on the deck, ive got alot that say unsupported, but run fine

hard to believe 25% performance increase after using the 13700k since launch

@kodakblack531

Жыл бұрын

Bc they lie for marketing, most of the games that they get these numbers on no one even played or heard of they only play them for benchmarks also testing is very unfair. You can make your 13700k beat a stock 13900k in gaming just by a simple oc like setting clocks to same or a higher than 13900, + even more by tweaking/ setting up ur ram properly.

@kodakblack531

Жыл бұрын

And if you have your still not maxing out your gpu disable HT, don’t care about power disable e cores. Still NEED MORE FREAKING FPS????! Disable all the power saving, c state, speed shift stuff in bios, NEED MORE!!? set ratio offset to 5+ ghz (don’t go crazy here) your cpu will be BONKERS. Don’t do this if your already maxing out your gpu, and as long as you don’t go above 1.35 volts and keep it cool you will not damage your cpu. I’d recommend power limiting the bonkers cpu mode is meant for gaming not synthetic benchmarks no one plays cinebench

@kodakblack531

Жыл бұрын

1.35 is very safe for 12th gen 13th gen is more efficient I’d go like under 1.3 you won’t damage it at all👍🏻

There are synthetic benchmarks by disabling CCD1 (non-3d cache) and running just CCD0 on the 7950x3d, which is basically the equivalent to a 7800x3d... but it's not. The fact is the 7950x3d is a larger package, which will be better at dispersing heat. 7800x3d will run hotter and thus have lower clocks due to thermals. The 7950x3d can also use CCD1 to do anything non-gaming releated, in spite of what gamers might think, your PC is still doing things when you're running a game, and a lot of people will also have other applications running... like Discord, Spotify, or browsers. So real world performance will be better for most on a 7950x3d and will be that much better due to superior cooling. The real question is how much does that actually matter. We've seen optimized curves on the 7950x3d that allowed it to hold higher clocks (5.0-5.2ghz on CCD0, as long as your cooling solution can hold it) that resulted in nearly no improvement in games, except for MS Flight Sim, but that was likely due to improved decompression.

Sad they didnt just release the 7800X3D right away

@Mr11ESSE111

Жыл бұрын

They didn't released it deliberately because sale of other two cpus will be bad then

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

They bin the best chips for 7950x3d and will collect the Second tier chips for 7800x3d release. Maybe they don’t have low tier chips enough for mas release?

@Mr11ESSE111

Жыл бұрын

@@haukionkannel they have enough but punkds don't want to release it because 7950x3d will have bad sale

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr11ESSE111 Not sure about that. 7800x3d is much better for gaming and is cheaper, but 7959x3d is much better in productivity so better to those who play games, but also use productivity programs. Gamers will wait that one month just to save quite a lot money, so those tow does not compete with same customers... The odd bird out seems to be 7900x3d...

@Mr11ESSE111

Жыл бұрын

@@haukionkannel who wants productivity that one will not buy either of this ones then probably 13900k or 7950x and playing on 4k are basically same

doubling down on those engagement challenges, eh?

My brother has a steam deck, he loves it.

Snows please quit comparing the clock speeds like that. The 7950x3d vcache for has the same 5.0 clock speed as the 7800x3d. It's only the non-vcache core that boosts to 5.7. it's especially egregious when you then refer to being able to fall back to the faster die. Otherwise another good one

i really want that cpu :D

The 13900K CPU itself costs $100 less, but the cost of a better cooler, power supply and air-conditioning of your room is not worth it.

@AlfaPro1337

Жыл бұрын

Also you: OC the snort out of your AMD CPU, requiring better cooler, power supply and air-conditioning of your room

@otozinclus3593

Жыл бұрын

@@AlfaPro1337 You cant OC the 7950x3D, atleast not in the classic way. Best you can do is undervolting it, so it can keep high boost clocks for longer

@AlfaPro1337

Жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 This shows that the X3D is a gimped product and doesn't feature 3D cache, it's basically a souped up, but lock down non-X3D variant. I guess Evil Su is truly evil!

@MrSandvich03

Жыл бұрын

@@AlfaPro1337I didn't know this was an schizo thread

@AlfaPro1337

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSandvich03 Look, I know you are missing your schiz medication, maybe you should take it. 🤣😂

Will be a worthy upgrade to my 7700x. Can’t wait:

@jasondeng3820

Жыл бұрын

can I hab yor 7700x 🥺

@CarnivoryHODL

Жыл бұрын

@@jasondeng3820 Sorry, returning it to the store prior to x3d launch

Problem with your argument about the 13th gen chip is you need a 360 AIO which can be for a good one upwards of $200. They are both expensive this is for enthusiast not mainstream Pc's you can stay with Ryzen 5 5600x and run at 4k with out these CPU's and spend $165 and save your money.

I use intel in the winter and amd in the summer.

The 7800x3d is going to be like 30% faster then the 7700x. And only about 20 to 25% more money. I think that shakes out as an OK offer. The real deal is that the price will fall in a few months and you'll get them for close to the same price. On a platform that might last 3 to 5 cpu generations. And the cpu will be good for a long time anyways. The cache will carry it for some time. So you can get cheaper upgrades later.

@SpeedDaemon3

Жыл бұрын

the 7800x3d should have the exact same price as the 7900x in every region.

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

the difference will vary wildly between each games. That's for sure. 3D V cache is very hit or miss in performance improvements. In the other cases, the 7700X might beat the X3D given its higher clock speeds.

@HawkSea

Жыл бұрын

If you can find it in stock.

@selohcin

Жыл бұрын

It's not going to be 30% faster. You're drinking the AMD Kool-Aid if you believe that. That's nothing but marketing hype. It'll be 15% faster on average.

Steam deck is designed for 720p. The screen is fine for that.

Selective benchmarks. Tsek

I forgot what GPU but AMD recently claimed a 70% performance increase, so I’d take anything they say with a large grain of salt

I have been an intel fan for nearly a decade but recently have decided both are good enough for the average consumer. most of the people griping in comments one way or the other are never going to use any of the top tier offerings to their full potential anyway, so why waste time arguing, I like computers and will continue to buy both brands.

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you,

Up to means it can be lower than...need averages or means

Amd in the mud after few years of hype

@-Ice_Cold-

Жыл бұрын

Do you have still Ryzen?

Imagine amd made E cores and P cores laptop...

woot

That's waayyyy too long to wait for the next Steam Deck! It is NOT a console, therefore no console cycle applies. Valve is just gonna hand off sales to Aya or other competitors. What is so hard about buying a new S.O.C.?

You honestly want a MB in your own system that cost below 100 dollars? WHY ?

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

I'm cheap. And my sub 100$ B350 board from 5 years ago is still doing good. Actually I think I paid 79$ for it.

But is it good for 3D applications and rendering? THATS what i wanna know.

@tryharder1053

Жыл бұрын

Of course not 😂

@willgart1

Жыл бұрын

the 7950x3d targets this usage. you can have 16 core for rendering while having faster response time in 3d engines. there is no benchmark available for this type of usage, but apparently this helps 3d applications.

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@willgart1 Nope because you have to turn off the other 8 cores to use the 3D v cache cores.

@willgart1

Жыл бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork no you dont have to do this. you just need an app recognized has a game or an app which ask Windows to use these cores or you can use a tool like Lasso

@calisto2735

Жыл бұрын

If by "3d applications" you mean CG apps like 3ds max, Blender, Cinema4d etc. Then > viewport performance will generally have a negligible speed up with a 7950x3d depending on the engine and the viewport "extras" enabled (it might even be worse with 7950x3d in some scenarios), while rendering will have a negligible speed up with 7950x... That's about it. The difference in gaming will be definitely bigger with 7950x3d on top.

AMD should release a 12core single ccd with vcache (96 or 128MB) for hard core gamers this type of CPU will be very interesting.

@otozinclus3593

Жыл бұрын

The 3D VCache only has 64MB size and TSMC is not selling 12 Core CCDs for profitable prices. 12 Cores is overkill for gaming anyway

@razorgcy

Жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 Zen4 architecture CCD design tops out at 8 cores anyway. Some rumours suggest (AdoredTV) that Zen5 will double the core count per CCD, but only time will tell.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

It'll be expensive, get 7950x3d instead.

@willgart1

Жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 12 cores is not overkill for gaming. CPU with more cores are still faster in games... 64MB of cache is a choice, they can use different size a 12 core CPU will be larger and so the vcache module can be larger too... it's just a question of time to see more and more cache and more cores.

@willgart1

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat yes it will be expensive. hardcore gamers don't care about the price, they are buying rtx4090 at full price... and it will be faster than a 7950x3d for sure.

bro u are forever stuck on 50k

Well , simple , the Boost is 10 % higher with an 7800X3D than a 5800X3D , add a few % for the DDR5 6000 instead of DDR4 3600 = 12-13% and you have your advantage over an 5800X3D , at least in Games which love high clock Speed , it will be less in other Games exept those who need high Memory Bandwith . And there is another thing to be considered , AM5 will be CPU upgradeable in the next 3 maybe 4 Years , Zen 5 will fit , Zen5 X3D will fit = those will blow an 13900K into the Dust .... and the chances that Zen 6 will fit in AM5 are relativly high , its unlikely that DDR 6 and / or PCIe 6 will be a must have in 3-4 Years

AMD shot themselves in the foot with the lackluster performance of 7900x3d. It is just collecting dust in shelves, understandable when 5800x3d beats it so no one wants to buy it. 7950x3d is sold out though. Hopefully those who got it won’t have buyers remorse as the 7800x3d single ccd is coming out shortly in April.

@philippengl2342

Жыл бұрын

Considering TSMc's 5mn yield is very high, they probably get less than 10% of 7900x3d's because they can't meet 7950x3d's specs.

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the best hight tier chips goes to flagship 7950x3d. 7800x3d will use worse Second tier chips. Not sure about 7900x3d

What are you guys doing? Buying the 7950X3D without checking on a test/review? Sidegrading from 5800X3D to a not yet existing 7800X3D and hoping that that 850$ have not been for nothing'? (max. 10fps more in best case! So 230fps instead 220fps) I thought we are in a crisis, money has lost value, so we all have lost money on our account because of that. I am in Switzerland and we have one of the lowest depreciation and also a very high living standard, that makes electronics not as expensive in compare to other stuff we really need for living. Still , I would not just like that flush down the toilet 800$ like its nothing as you guys do. I do though , if I get a high value out ot it put some serious money on the table if the time is right and a informed desition can be made. Simple

If it is 27% faster then intel that means its 5-10% faster then7950x3d too and many peoples will be donkeys who bought pointless 7950x3d &7900x3d after 7800x3d would came out

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

Heh! 7850x3d use the highest binned chips. 7800x3d use Second tier chips so simulated 7800x3d that we get when we dissable Second core from 7950x3d is about 2-5% faster than real 7800x3d. It is fast, but not as fast as 7950x3d can be.

@Mr11ESSE111

Жыл бұрын

@@haukionkannel it will be 5-10% faster then 7950x3d because otherwise AMD will sale it at same time as this and you could see difference now when AMD compare 13900k vs 7800x3d and when they compare 7950x3d vs 13900k ,it is 1-2 games same and you will see that difference are higher now

@rozzbourn3653

Жыл бұрын

dont you mean 22% faster? amd said the 7950x3d is 5.6% faster on average then the 13900k (non-ks). when ran with good memory, the 13900k is pretty much on par with the 7950x3d where it loses some and wins some. it wasnt the big win that i thought it was going to be where it was 15%+ faster.

@Mr11ESSE111

Жыл бұрын

@@rozzbourn3653 on larger amount of games difference will be lower

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr11ESSE111 AMD own slides show that 7950x3d is 3% faster than 7800x3d... Un those two games that we have from both 7800x3d and 7950x3d.

gotta love amd's false clock speed advertising. 5ghz yeah right 5ghz on one core for half a sec.

Intel dead meat

I can’t wait to see this 7800X3D match at best the 13700k for the same price. Get rid of the cherry picked games and AMD favoured tests. Alone the ability to not be forced into DDR5 with intel 13th gen already wins over AM5. Only small downside if you need to have cooling or PAU capacity for 13th gen.

@-Ice_Cold-

Жыл бұрын

Intel loses with low frequency DDR4 against Ryzen 7000

@NikTheMusicKid

Жыл бұрын

@@-Ice_Cold- intel is compatible with DDR5 and DDR4 and DDR4 is cheap so why would you ever run low frequency ram?

@-Ice_Cold-

Жыл бұрын

@@NikTheMusicKid 13900K with DDR4 loses to all Ryzen 7000 series. Do not cry intel fanboy

@NikTheMusicKid

Жыл бұрын

@@-Ice_Cold- in cherry picked results yeah. Across the board not at all.

@-Ice_Cold-

Жыл бұрын

@@NikTheMusicKid No, fast memory gives a big boost to the CPU

clickbait

The 7800X3D doesn't look worth it to me. Less cache for it's lone CCD, much slower clocks...AMD is just dropping the ball at every opportunity in the home market now. As for the new board, still garbage. 2 DIMM slots, stripped down io. You could get a better B450M for literally half the price 3 years ago, so no, I don't feel that is a good purchase. Maybe it has 2 gen 4 NVMe slots and 2 Gen 3's you forgot to mention and you were just playing an early April Fool's joke about the DIMMS? I'm guessing you aren't though, so until we have actual full featured b750's coming in between $100 and $120, I see no reason to even consider AMD on the gaming front. RAM support is trash, the chips are overpriced for what you get, and the boards are *ABSURD* for their prices. Intel's chipsets aren't just better, but they are also typically less expensive. More features, better RAM support, better cooling, more io, more NVMe's; they are just objectively better motherboards that somehow cost less? Then an AMD AIB reveals a $125'ish board, 7 months after launch with 2 DIMMS, a pretty bare io, and a rear io that looks like it comes from a $50 A450? Good luck AMD, you pretty much managed to blow any good will you spent the last 7 years building up in less than a year. At least your GPU's aren't overpriced. Oh wait.

@otozinclus3593

Жыл бұрын

"Less Cache for its CCD" The cache is identical. It has a 32MB L3 Cache per CCD and 1MB L2 Cache per core, with a single 64MB 3D Cache added to it. The Cache is therefore identical, the "extra" Cache the 7950x3D has is from its second CCD. Therefore, the "gaming" CCD has identical cache "Much lower clocks" Also wrong. The high boost clocks of the 7950x3D only counts for its seconds CCD without 3D Cache. The gaming CCD only reaches 5.1GHz max. So only 100MHz faster The 7800x3D is completely identical to the 7950x3D, just without the second CCD. Thats the only difference, besides the 100MHz lower clock

@rozzbourn3653

Жыл бұрын

they are counting the cache of the other ccd in there to give the total. the 3dv-cache ccd is the same on all of them.

@-Ice_Cold-

Жыл бұрын

The roar of an Intel/Nvidia fan. Better tell us about hungry and overheating Intel cpus, which can only be on a par with AMD in this way

@crzyces1693

Жыл бұрын

@@-Ice_Cold- Absolutely not. I have a 5800X in my main PC. I had a 2700 before that. The PC I just threw together for my 11-year-old son has a 3600X and an RX 5700. I've been tweaking PC's since I turned my C64 into a C128. I've built so many PC's I actually had a nightmare about _"FDISK."- It was awful there were tens of thousands of hard drives and my boss said I had to wipe them all before I could go home...ahh the nightmres of teens... Back to the point, before the 3080 I have now I was using a 5700. Before that a 580... I simply like to use the best price to performance parts available when I build. Were I building a PC today *for gaming* on a budget, I'd use a 12600K or 13700. As for GPUs, I'd either get a used 5700XT for 1440P medium 60, or a used 3080/ti 12GB for 1440P High/Ultra 60+ (no upscaling unless I wanted a stuttery mess at 1080P in 95% of the games on the market). GPUs and AMD CPUs + the motherboards are out of control. They either aren't fast enough, too expensive, or in Nvidia's case, don't have enough RAM or the BUS is too small. The hell wants an $800 card that will probably be obsolete in 1 generation because of the baby BUS? May as well get a used 3080 if you're just going to have to throw it in a 1080P machine in 18 months anyway. _"Intel and Nvidia fanboy?"_ Shame on you.

@GTSFrostic

Жыл бұрын

@@crzyces1693 Yea, as much AMD is "better" than intel, opinion wise, the issue comes down with the cost of entry being much higher, even though DDR5 has dropped.

First

Don't you think it is a bit disingenuous to compare the clock speed of 7800X3D to the spec speeds of 7900X3D and 7950X3D, when those spec speeds are only available on the non-v-cached chiplets not usually used for gaming, and clock speeds on the 7900X3D and 7950X3D v-cached chiplets actually used for gaming are much closer to the 7800X3D? You really should know better. Perhaps you do.

@BootSequence

Жыл бұрын

not really. In practice the 3D chiplet on the 7950X3D while gaming is running all cores at 5200MHz. So still faster than the 5Ghz "up to" frequency on the 7800X3D. And since its "up to" It means the average is sub 5GHz on the new 8 core.

Because 7950x3d use higher binned CPU chips than 7800x3d, it means that 7800x3d is about 2-5% slover than 7950x3d where other CPU chip has been dissabled

@georgwarhead2801

Жыл бұрын

sry, but they all use the same chiplets, there is no "higher binned" in this cpu´s

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

Every company use higher binned chips in their flagship products. Intel 13900ks use same chip as 13900k, but binned version that can boost tiny bit higher. 7950x use higher binned chips than 7700x and can boost tiny bit higher. Same with 7800x3d vs 7950x3d. The differense is small but it does exist!

@teemuvesala9575

Жыл бұрын

@@haukionkannel Wrong, they don't in this case. 7800X3D is a single chiplet with 3D V-cache on it, 7950X3D has 1 3D V-cache chiplet on it and 1 regular chiplet on it. They both also run at same clockspeed. Only the non 3D chiplet on 7950X3D runs at 5.7GHz, the 3D V-cache chiplet run at 5Ghz just like on 7800X3D. 7800X3D also will be faster across the board in games than 7950X3D because there's no 2nd chiplet to worry about getting game threads assigned to it. Intel 13th gen CPU's are still monolithic dies, totally different story than AMD's chiplets that have much better yields at TSMC, thus no need for binning. Stop spreading false information.

@georgwarhead2801

Жыл бұрын

@@haukionkannel IF they use higher binned chiplets, then in Epic cpu´s because one single chiplet is worth the same as a entire 7950x on a epic cpu...the clock difference on the 7950x vs 7700x comes from the microcode on the cpu, not the chiplet itself

@haukionkannel

Жыл бұрын

@@georgwarhead2801 If so the MAD has managed to do something that Intel or Nvidia or Apple has never managed. To get only perfect chips out of the factory... It does not happen and of course they bin chips. Some chips needs more power to be stable, some ships run cooler and so on. It is normal process of any electronics related things!

Can people stop referring to the 13900K? AM5 has already beat that, start referring to the 13900KS, the real competitor.

@ZackSNetwork

Жыл бұрын

AMD is not faster than a tuned i9 13900k. They go head to head depending on the games. Also Intel is still superior for content creation and workstation applications.

@rlan253

Жыл бұрын

13900ks draw about 300 watts vs 7950x3d draw about 150 watts.

@otozinclus3593

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@@ZackSNetwork "Intel is superior for Workstation applications" From the start the 7950x without 3D has been better than the 13900K for that. Yes, the 13900KS is slightly faster, but only if you let it draw 450W of power lol. Thats triple the power, good luck cooling that If you use Adobe Premiere Intel iGPUs are good for quicksync, but besides that the 7950x is about 13900K performance in workstation applications for a fraction of the power consumption And the 7950x3D is also only marginally slower in workstation than the 7950x, but mainly because of its lower Power Limit which you can adjust if you want to

@mikeramos91

Жыл бұрын

@@rlan253 that’s at max usage. Gaming it’s low & idle intel is lower

@rlan253

Жыл бұрын

​ amd 5nm vs intel 10 nm. The smaller nm is more efficient.

My ks and 8000 ddr5 much better than anything AMD

@Theworthsearcher

Жыл бұрын

Somewhere over the rainbow... ;) You can say it is but to be able to say, that we made a bad decision, is what makes us adult. Intel uses more power even in gaming and the big little design is not really good for working on that PC because many programs don't really like that. For gamin, the i5 13600K is not abad chip but the 5800 X 3D uses less power, cheaper DDR IV RAM and is still a bit faster. But a 7800 X 3D is a lot faster in gaming. And intel lets you to use 2 gens in a MOBO, meanwhile AM5 is brand new for AMD and will have at least 2 more generations. So now I do not see any point to buy an intel CPU. Sorry.

@facegamefps6725

Жыл бұрын

@@Theworthsearcher I don’t care what you think

@-Ice_Cold-

Жыл бұрын

Your KS is a boiler that is a couple of percent more faster than the K version.

@stefanradunovic8318

Жыл бұрын

@@-Ice_Cold- its ice cold actually

@-Ice_Cold-

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanradunovic8318 Is it funny? You SOB

They couldn't even do their own benchmark right with RDNA3. It's the same ol' cherry picking

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

5800x3d tests were accurate, AMD has rarely done any cherry picking with Ryzen, though happens a lot with Radeon.

@ItzSilentOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Stop

AMD's cpu have been shown time and time and time again to not be as consistent in their FPS delivery as are Intel's cpus. Come back in 10 or 15 years, maybe we can discuss AMD again, until then, Intel remains King.

@RAW_Reality

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Congratulations for proving yourself to not only be a fanboy, but also ignorant to understanding the "why" of what your claim states... First of all, the overwhelming majority of games are designed in a way that'll only use a single core process, which when AMD prides themselves on making CPUs that are multi-core oriented, they're more-less dangling a "crown" for Intel in front of them to come and take (back) after seemingly every upgrade cycle. It isn't that Intel "is better", it's that games are DESIGNED to operate using what amounts to an outdated computing philosophy. When games start getting coded on a more regular basis to make use of multicore processes, just how much do you think then Intel will have to make up for when AMD is already competitive without that being the case now? "Intel remains King" is using a crutch to cover the truth. Furthermore, is your argument REALLY going to be about the 3 to 12 FPS in a game scenario difference only, or could you maybe pull your head out and understand that for almost quite literally everything else that you may use a computer for, AMD "is the king" for it, not just "gaming". And no, I'm not trying to say I lean one way or the other as to which brand to go with, but I am trying to get some reality to set in with you blinded by technicalities types. "Oooh, I can get a different digit to show up on my FPS counter..." Yeah? So what. You're probably not making use of that difference anyways.