Drongo, you have a social responsibility to remind the community that there are maps other than strait and glitters.

@sarahcoppin2249

9 ай бұрын

those maps are over played, but they are a lot of fun if u get a team that talks and understands gameplay and eco.

@Amanredpill

9 ай бұрын

When i play multiplayer, the rebel inside me will avoid this map

@justinian420

9 ай бұрын

@@Amanredpill I almost refuse to play these two, only if I'm in a party and we had plans to play and can't find a good lobby

@wuy4

9 ай бұрын

NEVER! Straits is the only map in the game!

@ohmygod419

9 ай бұрын

Lmao

Oh man. You stick your anti-nuke down and think you're safe and then a little ghost comes along and your whole base goes bye bye.

instead of the countermeasure, it's cheaper to build a bunch of wind around your antinuke

@zhshsG7

9 ай бұрын

That's actually a great tip. Very out of the box thinking

@jxg1652

9 ай бұрын

Funny you should say that, I was experimenting with those things a bit couple weeks ago ... and the selfd emp radius of spybots is MASSIVE. So if you want to block them (and not just decloak them - which isn't that good cuz what good is it if they are decloaked and immediately selfd and emp ur anti right after?)... if I remember right, it was about 40 windmills if you drag a 1-spaced box around the anti. And spybots can reclaim. Most people aren't aware of that, but - theoretically a spybot could reclaim one of your windmills and THEN emp your anti. So you'll also need llts. 3 of them to really cover every corner. In total you'll still get away with similar cost as countermeasure - and the winds produce energy. Another way to do this could be not intend to block but just decloak the spybot ando build the winds with 3-4 spaces and just 2 llt next to the anti - but also, a llt will not instakill a decloaked spybot, so you'll need to draw a even bigger box - probably you'll still end up with 30-35 winds and you'll occupy a extremely large amount of space. Dragons teeth are NOT a alternative, because units can squeeze through them (very, very slowly, but they can) - and I believe they count as dead entities (like rocks and wreckages) that will not decloak hostile units. My personal summary is clear: Its far, far easier and much, much quicker to just build intrustion countermeasure + you'll save a lot of space. And it'll also show you gremlin stealth tanks.

@macdjord

3 ай бұрын

Or dragon's teeth. Blocking enemy units is what its for.

Love the talk about how 8000 metal isn’t a lot of metal after reclaiming the like what 25 metal in the windmills lmfao.

@chrozome

9 ай бұрын

I think he was more worried about space than the metal.

I just want to point out to everyone that the counter doesn't have to be an intrusion countermeasure. Just build some walls around the antinuke if it's isolated or on the path through the frontline. Still, a brilliant idea and a fun watch.

@jayfarthing

9 ай бұрын

I was thinking this as he said it. Even just putting the anti nuke in the centre of the base so they can't get to it cloaked would probably be enough

@SoowDeJu

9 ай бұрын

Do walls stop the emp?

@HonshuHigamori

9 ай бұрын

@@SoowDeJu haven't tried but not likely, given the EMP blast does not seem to require line of sight to take effect. That's why it can affect buildings on the other side of the building it is standing next to with its EMP What you will need to do is space the wall around the anti such that it exceeds the radius of the ghost's EMP blast. Pulling these numbers out of my ass here, but assume the emp blast has a radius of 4. You would have to build walls around the anti such that no unit could get closer than 5 units to it. If you do it in this way, the ghost will not be able to walk close enough to the anti to emp it

@chronographer

9 ай бұрын

I think some light mines are the answer.

@UnknownSquid

9 ай бұрын

The emp blast radius is quite big, but yeah there's a lot of ways you can make this much harder to pull off. Having a single grunt/pawn, or a couple scouts will also allow you to react and kill the spy bot if it bumps into something.

notification camera location, i do press f3 as you mentioned. it scrolls you through at least the last 3 note locations. it does for me at least anyway. Hope this helps

A tip for you Drongo: Only eat the comm until like 10-50 metal an use that comm later by resurrecting and maybe even going in with the com later invis to blow up big amounts of stuff as in a comm bomb or a dgun on some antinuke They won't expect that :D

Sorry for the poor quality of the video guys, unfortunately this was recorded in 1080P :(

@jons4917

9 ай бұрын

Was just about to ask if the video appeared a bit LQ for others! No worries dude!

@BrokeWrench

9 ай бұрын

Watching on my phone it gets hard to see the chat at 1080. Still enjoying the nutshot nukes lmao

Name ideas for Drongo's secret alias... "Grunt Lover 96" "EnoughWithTheEcoAlready" "Rush T1" "No Shenanigans Here" "I Won't Take Your Rocks"

@UnknownSquid

9 ай бұрын

... "AFUSsy Destroyer"

Really cool to see you finally split your energy converters from the AFUS itself, so you don't die if someone sneezes on your base.

@TheRealNimble

9 ай бұрын

I disagree he had to still keep them close and if they went off his anti nuke was gone and his con turrets so all he would have is energy vs still having conversion or build power with the other way he builds

Drongo changing his name to another degenerate eco AFUS reference and thinking people won't recognise him... 🤣

@3komma141592653

9 ай бұрын

Honestly, so lame gameplay, push a nuke and win. That ruins the fun for both teams who actually want to play the game.

@jesiscrust

9 ай бұрын

@@3komma141592653that’s like.. your opinion man

intrusion countermeasures need the unit to be moving, if you wait with the spybot next to the antinuke, they won't catch it in time unless they build the seismic first, which could potentially be really funny

OneMoreLazzarus - should be your next name

Maybe you could change your name to Bongo! Thanks for the vid

Hey quick question: What's the dirrefence between this and zero-k?

I was very disappointed last time you tried when it failed but you redeemed yourself by nuking 2 players instead of one this game! Awesome move, that's definitely going to make some backliners rethink their early game build orders!

How do you suddenly move the camera from base to spybot?

22:20 never thought to do that he says ITS LEGET IN THE TIPS WHEN THE GAMES LOADING "GET YOUR GHOSTS TO THE ENEMY PREVAILER"

While I appreciate the strat and it would of worked regardless, this game was a straight loss for us from the beginning. one of our frontliner disconnected at like 6 mins, and the long sea did nothing :D effectively 6v8, but yea, the strat worked. Was not expecting it.

Did you work out how to get idle Lazarus to display?

Hey ! Could you please do a naval guide ? I find it really hard to play naval and i'm really confused

There are only so many Australians around 30 ts

Pretty funny to see this in action, I know emp missiles got a nerf in the past because they could easily disable an anti for a nuke follow up. I feel like countermeasures and mines arent used enough so this might bring them into play a bit more.

@Shindo13371

9 ай бұрын

I feel like you could just wall it in too? 3 or 4 tiles spacing from wall and there's just no way for the ghost to get to it, right?

@TheRealGaffer

9 ай бұрын

@@Shindo13371 Ghosts can actually reclaim as well, I'm not familiar with how long it takes them to reclaim a wall piece though, or if it gives the enemy player a warning when it's happening.

I wonder if a cheap way to defend against this is to have a bunch of ticks set to patrol in the rear, the spy bot is slow, likely to be intercepted by patrols if set up right

@HonshuHigamori

9 ай бұрын

Roughly in order of least expensive to most expensive, 1) Place antinuke in the center of your base, forcing the ghost to reveal itself by getting too close to your other buildings. For example, leave a hole in the middle of a windfarm and place the antinuke at the center of that windfarm. Keep a few units on standby and then you can kill the ghost before it can EMP the anti 2) Literally wall off the anti. The ghost will have no means of EMPing the anti on its own provided you space the wall correctly. Walls are very cheap and can also help defend the anti in case units with teeth manage to leak through the front line. 3) Have a couple units set to patrol around the anti. You'll probably need at least 4-6 Rovers or Ticks to provide reasonable coverage, given the speed of the ghost and the range of its EMP blast. 4) Counterintrusion

@justinian420

9 ай бұрын

@@HonshuHigamori I like it

Countermeasure is expensive, a box of wind turbines will keep the bot out and make energy while it does that.

Could do an acronym name. AntiFuckUpStrategy? AnglingForUrSalt? AskForUrSalvation? All'sFineUnderSun? AllFedUpSon?

3:53 lol, should have pinged that

Would be nice to get the replay of your vids. Maybe in the description?

I still don't understand why you build AFUS' on top of everything else, instead of as far back as possible. can anybody explain this?

Couple of llt.s or grunts should cover the antinuke?

Love to see your games, I am trying to get friends to join me in playing this

what is the range of that spy bots emp explosion? just surround the anti nuke with solars and windmills then? ^^

@luked002

9 ай бұрын

Maybe a few ticks on patrol will be more effective?

Easier strat... Wall off your anti nuke.

Drongo you should really use the procrastinator widget so you dont need to manually reset orders

Having a good time, having a good time!

u should only nuke rush if u tell the team and someone else can sell/give t2s, for all the new players seeing this

@3komma141592653

9 ай бұрын

He notoriously doesn't care about other players. So...

You said the guy Flaggonabeer wasn't an aussie, but he might be. A friend of mine from the UK gets the US flag, I think because his IP is not known to be UK or something.

Got it Time to start buidling wind gens around my A/N or even better, mines

Walls. enough walls around an anti nuke can prevent this

Drongo with a fake mustache, wondering how people recognized him. lol

Maybe this is the old supreme commander player in me, but always build two antinukes in separate places. Not sure how viable that is in this game as I've never played.

@jxg1652

9 ай бұрын

Maybe not initially, but longterm yes. A 2nd Anti also protects you from a initial overnuke attempt (one anti can, depending on mapsize, shoot down between 4 to 6 nukes launched simultanously).

What a brutal strategy.

OMG I can't wait to do this strat myself ! It literally plays out just like NOVA in SC2!!!!! (I also wanna do this strat because I was a very cheesy SC2 player and I will now bring the cheese into BAR Mu HA HA Ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ';..;')

Mexpert

Man, I started doing this few days ago and now you are making video about it xD What will be next ? my mountain fotress ? xD P.S. ppl started making anti-spy buildings since I started abusing spy in multiple ways

I do love the nuke stuff

Lazarus => Lazares (Lazarees)

Honestly SUCH a simple counter... .build like TWO cameras for 60 metal. I do it often as a frontliner

@wuy4

9 ай бұрын

Cameras can't see those units. And if you are counting on the ghosts walking on top of your cameras, good luck.

plural of lazarus is lazarii

You probably want to switch to unrelated names to throw people off

Impressive, but I wouldn't suggest this makes for a very fun game.

Spicy

OneMoreDave theres like so many davids who play this get on the dave wagon for names

A mex too far!

First baby whoooo. Nuke supremacy

Probably because you stream and post videos, lol

PondOrGrief is the worst, whenever people see him in games now they just insta kick him

@PondOrGrief

9 ай бұрын

not true

Nukes need to be locked until 20/25 min. Change my mind. The razor sharp eco rush into nukes followed up by the dice roll of who gets deleted and the coin flip to whether that's an insta loss is not engaging or fun. It punishes newer players hard. Worse, it's a deeply uninteresting mechanic that pushes out more entertaining gameplay. Nuke rushes are the worst thing a video game can be, not just frustrating. But BORING.

@HonshuHigamori

9 ай бұрын

Its a mechanic that punishes brainless turtling and creates an important niche for scouting and deepstrike units like commandos or marauders. Antinuke-nuke cost and timing dichotomies already heavily favors the defender. If the attacker successfully scouted, brought down your anti coverage, and capitalized on it, you should up your anti-scouting game. TLDR get good

@luked002

9 ай бұрын

I agree with nukes not being a fun mechanic, maybe the charge time should be longer or it only becomes active after you gain a few stock. Alternatively make it easier to scout and prepare

My impression of this game is that front liners are the dumb Terran players that spam marines while the backline are cultured zerg players that spam drones but have access to Protoss quality cheese whenever they feel like it. I jest but nothing like a game that goes completely according to plan.

@ohmygod419

9 ай бұрын

Frontline has to manage vision, too, i think. Much more interactive early game in general

Congrats, you've enhanced the worst part of the game and taught it to others. Have you no shame?