lets just accept it, they didnt plan on having a charcter called arthur during the first game. theres nothing wrong with that.

A “reference” to Arthur in this game could be the jacket Jack wears on the epilogue, and it could canonically be Arthur’s old gunslinger jacket from 1899

Its not a reference to Arthur bro, arthurs character wasnt even thought of yet

I like the part where Arthur wasn't mentioned anywhere

The scene is about the Stranger judging John for forgetting people who were harmed and killed during his gang days. Not a certain friend who's helped him like many make it out to be. Whom there would be no way John forgot unless he got a visit from an old friend amnesia.

There's one moment in Red Dead 2's epilogue that reveals he never forgot about Arthur. He just doesn't like talking about him, both because it hurts and because Arthur told him to not look back.

Can’t be a reference to him cause he didn’t exist yet

In the epilogue of RDR2, when meeting Mary Beth at the Valentine train station, John says that he thinks about Arthur all the time, but he doesn't talk about him much. This for me is all I needed. John is a quiet lone cowboy type anyway. Obviously Arthur wasn't written at the time of RDR1, but just knowing that John thinks about him, even if we never see it, that's enough for me

This isn't a reference to Arthur. The implication is that John should not have forgotten the result of the life he lived with the gang.

A lot of people are missing the mark here. He's definitely not referring to Arthur. There's 2 distinct and meaningful reasons he brings up Heide McCort and her importance. First, the direct surface reason being her death is the catalyst for everything breaking down in the Van der Linde gang and it's eventually dissolution and the deaths along the way. Everything was fine until she died then it all went sideways, the ramifications seen in RDR2. Her death is the most important one concerning the gang outside of the gang itself. Second is a more metaphysical reason in that the Strange Man is death and if John is so callous to death that he does not even remember the innocent people who've been killed by his/the gangs actions the why would he remember death himself who is not, philosophically speaking, more important than the person who died. To be honest, if the sequel wasn't all ready in the plans then the second reasoning is most likely the correct one

I don't think it's Arthur he's referring to, but literally everyone who's died for Dutch

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He sounds a lot like Charles at

I also like to believe that the stranger is referring to Arthur but in reality it not only reminds him of the people that John and the gang have murdered.

Arthur wasn't even a concept or a thought at Rockstar when RDR1 came out.

If you choose to believe, there's actually at least 3 references to Arthur!

Now I'm trying to image how arthur's 3d model would look in rdr1.

I honestly hope they make a proper remake to RDR 1 and the throw some real references to Arthur in the game, it kinda sucks how no one ever talks about Arthur in the original game, i know the entire Arthur character was made after the release of RDR 1 but he had such an impact in so many people's lives that you would think any of them would name drop him at least once in the entire game

Rockstar does plan ahead with events and characters like

Crazy how they referenced a character they didn’t even come up with yet