John has always fascinated me... On one side, he is a realist and one of the very few people who began noticing strange things about Dutch early on, but on the other, he sometimes seemed to be trying to convince himself that van der Linde was right, somehow, and that the things they did were justified. This is partly why I've always related to him more than I did to Arthur: it took Arthur way more time and thinking to question his loyalty.

@Yeshua.Loves.You.

24 күн бұрын

Yes

@kantstopkev5963

24 күн бұрын

John also spent a year in the real world by himself, he got to experience what true freedom with no one telling you anything they want you to hear. Him realizing that Dutch was iffy first makes sense and Arthur taking forever to realize was more him coping than actually trying to see Dutch for what he really was

@swagyolo413

23 күн бұрын

Nobody is the villain in their story. If we got to play as micah, everyone always want him dead so he has to do what he has to do to be the one left standing, we’d see the underdog in him too.

@neekogregory1885

23 күн бұрын

This really the fight between what his mind is telling him what’s wrong and his heart telling him to be loyal I get it Dutch taught him how to read and saved him when he had no family but what John and Arthur didn’t get was yeah he saved your lives and yeah y’all love him but the dude is insane and he turned y’all killers of course they didn’t know because they believed his silvered tongue that his plans would save them as he saved them before

@JFTSwiertz

21 күн бұрын

​@@swagyolo413truth. I hate Micah, but you hear him talk about his dad? I hate him, but i get it.

And Micah he encouraged it Micah sitting right there

@cviasco8571

21 күн бұрын

Same thing happened to me hahaha

@JFTSwiertz

21 күн бұрын

Same here, i think he says it as a bit of a diss, given the rest of the conversation after.

@iamwhoiam7887

17 күн бұрын

Micah should have said, "He's lying... HE'SSSS LYING!!!"

@molotovdude

9 күн бұрын

I think Micah gone deaf he never answers me when i antagonize him.

@John59264

3 күн бұрын

@@molotovdude mabey lol

Strange man: "Where you got shot at" John: "Do you have slightest of idea how little it narrows down"

John: and Micah, although he encouraged it Micah: I can neither confirm or deny what you said

@dogwater1134

15 күн бұрын

Funny asf

"Blackwater was about surviving." "Not for that girl it weren't."

John is a humble type of guy when he always talks at camp fires

@nightmarepegasus4141

20 күн бұрын

Yes, it's one of the things i always loved with him

Micah was a cancer that infected and killed the Van der Linde gang. Arthur's comment at the end puts it all in perspective.

John's development is too often missed by many people. He's such a great character and we can understand how much he suffered during his outlaw life and after. In rdr1 too he talks about how he suffered for his crimes and the crimes of the gang. I don't really know if in rdr1 he really was meant to not remember this girl, but i suppose in rdr1 he did remember, when he says "people don't forget" he probably also is one of those who don't forget, as hard as he wishes he could. I say that, but they even made john says that he is still trying to forget 0:24 Just to say, i like the way john says "who? " 0:02 , close enough to the first mission about the gunslingers in rdr2 (- jim boy calloway. THE jim boy calloway. - who ? )

I will never understand why Dutch gravitated towards trusting Micah. He never gave any value besides being ruthless was the way.

@kingque9704

21 күн бұрын

It really didn’t make sense for him to turn on the two men he raised for someone that was only part of the gang for 6 months why did he put so much trust in Micah when given the chance Micah probably would’ve killed Dutch and took the gang for himself

@saltnpepperpupper947

20 күн бұрын

I think it's because Dutch is very egotistical. John seemed to be questioning Dutch for a while during the game. Then Arthur started doing the same a lot towards the end of the game, rightfully so, though. While Micah seemed to be doing the opposite. I think of when they captured Bronte and he made the huge mistake of saying things to Dutch, like that he was nothing and does nothing, then bets his men wouldn't even be loyal. That's what I think made Dutch become so brutal after Bronte says that stuff.

@nightmarepegasus4141

20 күн бұрын

Tbh, it's one of the reasons i don't have a high opinion about dutch's character in rdr2. Dutch always was crazy in a way and quite a manipulator, but in rdr2, he seems to be easy to manipulate, and micah is hated by the whole gang, since the beginning of the game arthur told his doubts to dutch about blackwater being an embuch while being micah's idea... Just that i think it's not that well made

@ivex91

19 күн бұрын

Because Micah said things he wanted to hear, while Arthur said things he didn't want to hear.

@AndreiPopescu

19 күн бұрын

Some people mistake ass kissing for friendship and criticism for hatred. Micah kept telling Dutch what he liked to hear while his real friends kept pointing out his mistakes. Dutch was one of those people so he saw Micah as his friend and everyone else who didn't kiss his ass whenever he did something wrong as traitors.

John experienced PTSD.

John is depressed.

@saghariqbal7607

24 күн бұрын

You again 😭💀

@kleinin

24 күн бұрын

Johnny sounds emo asf👁️👄👁️🫦👅🖤🖤

@T60_knight_Exiles259

24 күн бұрын

​@@kleininshut the hell up

@srteo0

22 күн бұрын

sigma lone wolf

@gwensstacy442

19 күн бұрын

No john talks about that girl because she was a mother and john have family too

Thats why high honor is canon arthur The gang does a huge thing about the innocent girl dying in cold blood No way a low honor Arthur that kills lots of innocent folks is CANON

@Ronuk1996

17 күн бұрын

Well it was also ways Dutch who told Arthur not to kill folk. Low Arthur sees Dutch as Hipocritcal. He slowy becomes more selfish with low honour

@3rddegree986

7 күн бұрын

Y’all can have low honor from robbing and still stick to the code of never killing women or innocent men not in outlaw life and never rob poor people

@MegasXRL

7 күн бұрын

@@3rddegree986 yeah.. thats why low honor arthur would still be more honorable than micah for example

I love this mystery surrounding the Blackwater heist. I hope they don't show what happened in RDR3 like some people think should happen.

@nightmarepegasus4141

20 күн бұрын

Yeah, i totally agree If rdr3 is about dutch's gang, i personally wish it will be during its golden age

@therookie5714

17 күн бұрын

@@nightmarepegasus4141I think a Landon rickets game would be best

@nightmarepegasus4141

16 күн бұрын

@@therookie5714 yeah, it would be great. They also could do another game than a rd redemption for ricketts

@josay3394

12 күн бұрын

​@@therookie5714 nah. Better option would be to play as that member of the gang that was voted to get killed off. The ending could be him getting killed, but also setting in that doubt that led to the fallout of RDR2

Man i can't believe on my first playthrough i missed so much stuff like this, i didn't know if you just hang around camp you'll get to hear some really neat conversations and such, making sure to take my time and take it very slow this second play. Such a fantastic masterpiece of a game

And u gonna sit next to john

"I gave you all I had... I did." - Arthur to the people he gave the stolen money to.

The way John acts throughout the final chapter is the peak of character development.

And it happened all over again when Dutch killed the girl in RDR 1. Strange man was his conscience trying to tell him how evil he is

Poor Hattie McCort, she didn't deserve to go out like that 😥

Sometimes I wondered just how much John really forgot and how much he acted like he forgot.

Спасибо за этот диалог, ни разу не встречала его за 3 прохождения, а он касается основы сюжета

I wish they at least let us keep johns orginal hair

Awesome video! Thank you

2 scenes that could be great that rockstar had failed to deliver on, the blackwater massacre, and between 1907 and 1911 when the feds raid Beecher's hope to kidnap Abigail and Jack. How did they do it? How did uncle make it?

When I think of “Strange Man”, is it possible that it could be his guilty conscious?

@nightmarepegasus4141

20 күн бұрын

It clearly is possible, that's one of the theories about strange man since rdr1 came out

@kaj7135

18 күн бұрын

“Damn you!” “Yes, many have.” I think that one line proves he’s a manifestation of John’s conscience.

@doge8606

17 күн бұрын

Meet John, 38 years old fed up with life and the way things are going He decides to hunt down his old gang members But on his journey he has a sudden change of heart And suddenly His conscience comes into play thought of that when I heard guilty conscience lmao arthur would be dre micah would be eminem fr

@syteanric

15 күн бұрын

That's exactly what he is "I hope my son turns out just like you John"..... That line is John knowing, In his head, full well what's going to happen to him, then to Jack

@mannyafcarsensl-rc6vv

8 күн бұрын

Nah cuz arthur sees him too so he cant just be in johns mind also he is mentioned by other people

Weird, I got this encounter in chapter 3

It's No Coincidence that things turned out The Way they did. Everything turned to shit once Micha turned up.

I like how they used to give away the money that they stole, that actually sounds kind actually, wonder what changed with Dutch

We need a game during the gangs golden age.

@jackmills7758

24 күн бұрын

yeah, the first and second games are about the end of the gang, rdr1 being its absolute end and rdr2 being about the downfall. they need to make rdr3 about the gang's golden prime days from mac callander's perspective.

@nomadichippie1930

24 күн бұрын

It should be from Dutch’s perspective

@joaqu7002

24 күн бұрын

@@nomadichippie1930then it can’t be about redemption.

@FunnyRedemption

24 күн бұрын

It doesn't have anything to do with redemption, besides we already know everything about the gang. All you have to do is listen to the camp conversations.

@nomadichippie1930

24 күн бұрын

@@joaqu7002 it could be about the failure to redeem yourself

I can't imagine Dutch shot her for no reason, things must have been desperate there. Guess we have to wait for Rdr3 to see what really went down on the ferry.

@williamfranklin860

15 күн бұрын

Dutch shoots an innocent woman whilst escaping from John in RDR1. Since themes often repeat in media, I can only assume that the gang was about to be caught, the woman was a hostage, and Dutch shot her out of revenge from almost being caught or to create more chaos which was used to escape.

I think that Heidi Mccourt is friends with Annabelle Dutches old Lover N knows about the Gang prior thats why Micah encouraged it in RDR1 that other Girl was just a Hostage but Dutch didnt want her to Rat out to the Pinkertons but guess who beat her to it? Yes Micah... Hoseas trying to make sense of all this the Gang didnt want Micah there before Blackwater Mac & Davey told Arthur something about Breaking Free before the Heist &.... Micah is Pinkertons Pet Rat(cause he was Captured so now he used the Gang for Leverage)

Arthur Morgan and John Marston are basically like either Jesse Pinkman or Christopher Moltisanti to Dutch's Walter White or Tony Soprano. You know what I'm saying?

When and where in game was this?

I need a tally of how many innocent people Arthur and John killed in RDR2

@maybetomorrowmaybe

24 күн бұрын

I don't think Arthur or John canonically killed many innocent people

@TheJasonJackson84

24 күн бұрын

@@maybetomorrowmaybe are you serious??? So when robbing a bank none of the lawmen are innocent??? Just because the Van Der Linde gang decided to commit crimes that makes all of the people doing their job guilty of something??? What about the old lady's house that Arthur goes to and kills her 3 sons or even kills her??? I guess the entire group of miners were guilty too since the boss didn't pay that ladies son for his work??? Getting Micah out of jail, all of those lawmen were guilty of something??? You start the game off killing mostly innocent people. Arthur does have a change of heart about midway but that's after killing people for their wagons and money.

@FunnyRedemption

24 күн бұрын

​@@maybetomorrowmaybeThe lawmen? The pinkertons? They were all innocent people trying to do their jobs in stopping crimes.

@JFTSwiertz

21 күн бұрын

​by their definition of innocent, they shoot back at people shooting at them.@@maybetomorrowmaybe

Did John get shot on the ferry? Or did they retcon that to when he was shot off the train? Or was it both?

@Friril

11 күн бұрын

Both

00:56 fart

Can someone simplify what that means? What did Dutch do? Please and thank you.

Who was the mystery man in the beginning?

@AshwinY

11 күн бұрын

Strange man

@LoneWolfe_XX

11 күн бұрын

@@AshwinY thank you brother, any conspiracy theories about him?

Why is John kissing the camera?

So crazy being arthur realizing at the end, dutch had more than enough money to get them all goin..... He just didnt want to stop being an outlaw and living that lifestyle.

@ggggloveking9419

23 күн бұрын

I think Arthur is realizing something bigger than that. I think he's noticing how the entire dynamic of the gang has changed, going from charitable Robin Hood types, to more murderous and selfish thugs. And I think he starts to see the reason why

He lied he knew her name definitely

@rahsaanrobinson9433

24 күн бұрын

True, but he wasn’t gonna flat out admit that to a total stranger

@darthtenebrous8750

24 күн бұрын

Nah, its clear he remembers the girl was but I doubt he ever got to learn her name, there wouldn't have been any way for him to know unless he tracked down her grave after returning to Blackwater in the Epilogue

@CorruptedYT

24 күн бұрын

@@darthtenebrous8750all he had to do was read a newspaper about it lol