Now I perfectly understand why people want to have a Red Dead Redemption remaster. So that they can throw in Arthur Morgan and have certain characters talk about his influence and his actions as a protagonist.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it would be great, but heard the coding is a mess of that game

@KC.45

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy Rockstar even had to hire another developer for extra help.

@burnthetrolls5971

Жыл бұрын

@@KC.45 isn't there a way they could make a full remake with RDR2 engine and mechanics and incorporate the RDR1 story?

@notthespy4484

Жыл бұрын

@@burnthetrolls5971 They could but it's not as profitable as gta online (which playerbase they barely care about anyway)

@John_Kramer6

Жыл бұрын

But first we need to see the history of Mac Callender

I think the best explanation regarding John’s silence on Arthur is when he reunites with Mary Beth after the end of the game and says that he THINKS about Arthur all the time, but he doesn’t TALK about him very much. Arthur is effectively his brother who’d saved him multiple times but he could never save in return, only avenge 😔

@sebastianlauri9622

Жыл бұрын

That's a theory but i don't think it was intended

@valeria262

Жыл бұрын

I think the best explanation is that he didn't exist yet

@mkultra2456

Жыл бұрын

@@sebastianlauri9622 I love me some theories but yah in reality Arthur's character simply wasn't written during the making of RDR1.

@gregrobinette8620

Жыл бұрын

​@@sebastianlauri9622 well theres the real reason, and then theres lore. The real reason is there wasnt 23 gang members thought of, just 6 or 7. In lore, its because John thinks about Arthur but doesnt like talking about him because it is painful.

@Fishinhat

Жыл бұрын

@@mkultra2456 I read somewhere from one of the devs that Arthur was created before John but they wanted to flesh out Arthur’s story a lot more so they waited. I can’t find it anywhere tho so it may have just been fake

I kinda “like” that he’s never mentioned. It makes it more painful, to know that he’s basically “forgotten” by John or that he doesn’t want to relieve those memories cause they’re too strong, makes me miss and love Arthur even more. Makes the legend more hurtful

@DZsWill12321

Жыл бұрын

Theres some epilogue dialogue where jack remembers the fishing trip and abigail says not to mention it because john doesnt like thinking about those times

@nikolasbananaguyy

Жыл бұрын

​​@@DZsWill12321 Here's the interaction: Jack: Uncle Arthur... He saved us didn't he? Abigail: Yes! You remember that? Jack: Not too much, I was only little. from then on I don't remember the dialogue but Abigail says something along the lines of "Your pa don't like talking about them times anymore". Then if you greet Jack, John says something like "I saved you a little too!", if you greet Abigail, John says "Why'd you tell that to the boy? I'll talk about him, just what is there to say?". So John: 1. Is sort of jealous that Arthur saved HIS family. 2. It pains him to remember Arthur, like having lost a brother (which he basically had).

@DanielSmith-te3df

Жыл бұрын

@@nikolasbananaguyy or it’s that he left Arthur to die, or he was reliant on a man with terminal tb for his family

@JohnMkrv

Жыл бұрын

@@DanielSmith-te3df Right here, we see a guy who haven't played both games

@DanielSmith-te3df

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnMkrv deadass just have a different view but be a petty mf

1:00-When John desperately says to Arthur “We aint got time for this! Not now” was the most sad moment for me in RDR2.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was definitely one of them

@McToasty421

Жыл бұрын

imo its when Arthur is talking to the sister and says "I'm afraid"

@wetube6513

Жыл бұрын

Drama queens

@Mamuff5

Жыл бұрын

@@McToasty421 I cry every single time, Arthur show his true emotions

@Mamuff5

Жыл бұрын

@@wetube6513 why comment if you're gonna be unpleasent

i like how Arthur smiles when giving John his hat. it's a really sweet detail that shows how much Arthur likes John, despite their differences.

@Protantagonist

9 ай бұрын

In RDR1 at the beginning when Bonnie comes to visit John after his injury.....he notices his hat missing and the first thing he does is asks for his hat. These little details makes these games a masterpiece

It makes sense to me that John wouldn't like talking about Arthur in RDR1. Those memories would almost certainly be staggeringly painful... But, if they did remake RDR1, I would like to see scenes like these re-voiced. Not rewritten, per se, but retaken to add hesitant pauses and the like to hint at the idea that John is remembering Arthur in conversations like this. I don't want blatant mentions and conversations about him, at least outside of characters that were in the gang during that time. But even then, I don't want full blown conversations about the man. Quick mentions at most, maybe using his memory as a way to jab at John during fights... But Arthur's presence in a RDR1 remake should be subtle, but noticable to the perceptive.

@xrayeblaquediamonds4440

Жыл бұрын

I agree but I don't at the same time only because legend/lore wise because of Dutch's gang it would make since for Arthur to be mentioned in some degree. They've mentioned the legend of Red Harlow from Red Dead Revolver in both of the RDR games.

@SomeAngryGuy1997

Жыл бұрын

@@xrayeblaquediamonds4440 It's even been hinted that Red Harlow is Uncle

@xrayeblaquediamonds4440

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeAngryGuy1997 Exactly 💯

@one1848

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeAngryGuy1997 Red Harlow and Uncle are not the same person. Dan Houser confirmed years ago that Red Dead Revolver takes place in a totally separate universe from the Redemption universe. Red Harlow exists only as a folklore legend in RDR1 and RDR2, nothing more.

@SomeAngryGuy1997

Жыл бұрын

@@one1848 Yeah, to be fair, Uncle doesn't even have the scars on his face

I took my sweet time playing RDR2 with Arthur. I started November 2018 and finished January 2022. I did a lot of fishing, traveling, hunting, hanging out at the camp, going back out. Of course I'd switch intermittentenly to other games but I'd always come back to RDR2. That being said, nothing could compare to the emotions I felt when I used Buell, the veterans horse for Arthur's last ride. It was almost a perfect ending. For those who haven't done the side mission yet, do it!

@loompsterproductions

Жыл бұрын

wow! you did it for almost four years. did you treat it like a tv show and treat the chapters like seasons?

@McSliksOnline

Жыл бұрын

I'll tell you one thing, I hunted with Arthur whilst playing him. We fought Grizzly Bears, Wolves, ducked from Bounty Hunters, piss*ing off Bounty Hunters, envading private properties. Oh yeah we had one heck of a golden time, YEE HAA!

@243Abolerz

Жыл бұрын

@@loompsterproductions yeah basically. I did a lot of walking, hunting, fishing, bothering town folks with Greet Greet Antagonize. A story beat here and there and then back to doing outdoorsy stuff.

@kostarossides5062

Жыл бұрын

And to think I finished this game in a week lol

@Noogie666

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes, I switched to Buel too after I completed Veteran quest. And to witness everything that happened ; to Arthur, the Veteran and the horse... It makes things much dramatic & sadder in the end, at least in my opinion. I think Buel will actually make the perfect horse for the story plot.

when arthur gave john his hat, i couldn't hold in the tears of sadness i started crying uncontrollably

@ryanthereaper5032

Жыл бұрын

It's not that sad

@Livinghopefulandhonest

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanthereaper5032 if that's not sad then John's death is not sad

@ryanthereaper5032

Жыл бұрын

@@Livinghopefulandhonest his death didn't make me cry either I expected it to happen he was the only one left out of the whole gang and you know they didn't seem like trustworthy people

@Livinghopefulandhonest

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanthereaper5032 I didn't find either deaths sad but even then I did find it sad how arthur sacraficed his life tho still not sad but nigga you sound and look like you won't even be sad at anything, what the f**k

@CJNG_1

Жыл бұрын

Really you cry for this shit? 😂 poor person u are..

What makes this scene even more beautiful is that Arthur and John were raised as brothers and learned how to live together. They spent all that time together and it just makes some of these things so much more beautiful 🥲

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah bro

@raziredding7390

9 ай бұрын

Arthur wasn’t a created character at the time. Don’t fall for this

@saber-tooth_ryan3619

9 ай бұрын

@@raziredding7390yeah but when making rdr2 they based those events off of rdr1 so that John would be shown in rdr1 talking about Arthur or thinking of him. At the end of the game, his last words he says to his family are the same as Arthur’s. This is an example of when they took elements of rdr1 into rdr2, effectively taking elements of rdr2 into rdr1, as well.

@cro3678

7 ай бұрын

@@saber-tooth_ryan3619💯

@weedbong9659

6 ай бұрын

This never happened in rd1, and they ain't going to put it in the game if they do remastered rd1

The saddest part for me was the way Dutch looked at Arthur before he died,you can tell in his face that he realized he failed the gang as Arthur is dying

@moonbeeps

11 ай бұрын

I think he didn't. He would've shot Micah and stand with his friend if he thought Arthur was right, but he left him to die alone.

@kaiwick338

11 ай бұрын

@@moonbeeps well he was so dam crazy at that point he wasn’t going to stop being an out law,and he probably didn’t want to watch his closest friend die of TB

@Sh1ryyu

11 ай бұрын

@@moonbeeps he was conflicted

@bustinarant

9 ай бұрын

​@@Sh1ryyuHe was a bad guy that would kill any one of his "family" to keep being in charge.. but at least his last plan was a good one.

@valentinosky9435

6 ай бұрын

Never will understand Dutch standing on the Gun Arthur nearly had his hands on to kill Micah that broke me more about Dutch 20 years with this man Arthur wasted Micah 6 months who would you believe in in the end if you were dutch i would have believed my son, brother Arthur Dutch is mentally deranged at the end and a sick man. Micah well he was always evil from day one if you look closely.

John took the "go, don't look back" from arthur very seriously, in fact he even says the same words in the end, he's literaly honoring his friend by not mentioning him which is what arthur would always want to, to see john have a normal life and delete that past life, even if that meant forgetting his best friend.

@ryanthereaper5032

Жыл бұрын

Or he's just literally saying go don't come back like a normal person should

@360eradaryl7

Жыл бұрын

nah you took it too far

@AmineKhamla

Жыл бұрын

nah arthur didn't exist when they made rdr

@pablowoods9886

10 ай бұрын

he never forgot him, just kept it inside his mind

@Uragaking

Ай бұрын

Nah john looked back

"While there's guns and money there won't be no peace." I think Arthur's death changed him more than Authur's life ever could.

@Just_a_Piano_

Жыл бұрын

how did you manage to type his name correctly then fuck it up like 2 seconds later?

@growgang_lc1978

Жыл бұрын

@@Just_a_Piano_auto-correct ?

@Suffinex

7 ай бұрын

@@Just_a_Piano_ Don't be that guy. Mistakes can happen.

@Just_a_Piano_

7 ай бұрын

@@Suffinex it's been 7 months who cares

@Suffinex

7 ай бұрын

@@Just_a_Piano_ Seems like you care if you have the time to wanna respond to me.

If you only played RDR2, you really did miss out on an absolutely masterfully told story in RDR1.

@nerddd701

Жыл бұрын

I cant play the first one except they made the pc version

@Borgolii

Жыл бұрын

I ain't buying a console just for 1 game no matter how much of a masterpiece it is

@SWali-df5gr

10 ай бұрын

​@@BorgoliiIts worth it my guy

@TheGameCapsule

10 ай бұрын

​@@Borgoliiit's on the Switch bro

@naqwillz1089

9 ай бұрын

I Was Lucky Enough To Play RDR 1 Before RDR 2 I Remember Seeing The First Teaser And Rdr2 Made Me Appreciate That I Was Lucky Enough To Play A Old Console Exclusive Rockstar Game

I think the perfect reason why John barely talks about Arthur in the Epilogue beyond the missions and further into the story of RD1 is largely because of how he handles his grief of what happened to the man that practically became his brother in everything but blood. Sometimes a man's name doesn't need to be evoked to know that his actions still influence those who are still around, and John clearly learned a lot more from Arthur then he lets on, especially when comparing the him to RD2 and RD1, it may not seem that drastic, but Arthur definitely helped influence the maturity and honor that John would embody.

@lioninthesun

7 ай бұрын

They didn’t talk about him because he wasn’t in the story yet

One of the reasons I kind of hope they don't do a remake and ad moments of them talking about Arthur is because I think it make sense they don't talk about Arthur because for John it would hurt too much to to talk about him and he would rather forget about puff probably everything about his past so we can move on with the future and the characters of Bill and Javier and Dutch they would of blamed Arthur of for the reason the gang broke up so they would hate to bring him up into conversation

@FemboyKaiSaku

Жыл бұрын

they obviously would bring him up though, dutch most definitely would.

@JesusEffingChrist602

Жыл бұрын

Yea but theres more than just Arthur. Ross could (and probably would) bring up Milton ALOT, same with Dutch and Micah or Hosea, and obviously he would bring up Arthur alot to try and get into John's head. Plus a remake would allow them to tie up some loose ends over characters whose fates were left unknown like Sadie or Charles. Maybe a letter from one of them or a newspaper article on how one of them either struck gold (metaphorically) or died. Above all, the gameplay would benefit ENORMOUSLY from a remake, cus aside from the fact RDR1 is inherently a buggy mess (tho that does make it more fun 90% of the time), once youve played it a few times, especially after playing 2, it really does become apparent how stale the game is as you realise it lacks so much content *compared to what it could be*.

@giffnard8261

Жыл бұрын

Hey buddy, quick question: how would you have felt if you did not eat breakfast this morning?

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

😯

@razaahmed9241

Жыл бұрын

It Was Micah Who Destroyed The Gang ONLY A RAT

This also could be a parallel to when John decided to stay near the end of the game to let his family be able to get out safe.

@jacenskywalker507

Жыл бұрын

He stayed behind to save those he loved, and to hold off the villains for as long as he could to allow those loved ones to escape...just like Arthur before him. #RestInPeaceArthurMorganAnAbsoluteLegendOfTheEastAndTheWestLostButNotForgotten 😭😭😭

@one1848

Жыл бұрын

@@jacenskywalker507 Arthur is the Legend of the East. John is the Legend of the West. I get that you like Arthur but give John the credit he’s due.

So sad Arthur's name never mentioned in RDR1.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

But his acts do

@BPintheroom

Жыл бұрын

Let's just say Arthur wasn't planned...

@alboorts

Жыл бұрын

@@BPintheroom BUT ROCKSTAR HAS A PLAN

@mikeysavage9041

Жыл бұрын

@@alboorts dutch: *stares intensely.*

@TheGamingRobin-cm8hs

Жыл бұрын

@@alboorts WE JUST NEED AOME GODAM FAITH

Id say Arthur is a true iconic legend and anti hero for several reasons but its his final stand at the end of the game where he receives true righteousness respect honor and redemption and Glory for giving his life for another person and for giving john time to get away and with every ounce of his last breath taking as many enemies with him before he goes

@one1848

Жыл бұрын

And John is worthy of that exact same praise considering he does the same thing for Abigail and Jack. The difference is that Arthur had nothing to lose because he was already dying. John had everything to live for but still chose to sacrifice himself for his family. In my opinion this makes John’s redemption even greater.

@hinatahyuga9311

Жыл бұрын

@@one1848 true but i say both received redemption in the end because they both showed strength and compassion for what they love and believe in plus john saw arthur as a brother and family and a best friend plus john and his family wouldn't have survived if arthur didn't do what he did plus they both gave a final stand and fought to the death for there loved ones to get away John for abi to get away and Arthur for John plus with there final breath took as many enemies with them before they wet

@ryanthereaper5032

Жыл бұрын

​@@hinatahyuga9311 um I'm pretty sure John could of made it out of that situation just fine without Arthur he is a pretty good gunslinger

@irecordwithaphone1856

9 ай бұрын

​@ryanthereaper5032 Even if John made it out they would keep sending more and more men until he was dead. There's a line in RDR1 from Dutch about how they have to justify their wages John sacrificed himself because he knew Ross wouldn't stop, and even if Ross got replaced they'd probably come after him too

This is the most reallistic thing in the game when someone once had important role to your life, you'll remember them but sooner or later you'll forget them and it will be a past

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

True that

@cowzze923

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that true for everything in life

@3mer4ld_p1tch

Жыл бұрын

"Forget them" isn't really accurate unless they didn't have that much impact to begin with. More like you just don't have a reason to bring them up.

@marceloalejandro6752

Жыл бұрын

Forget the important ones or those who had a big impact?. i hardly think so. "People dont forget" John marston. He also said "nothing gets forgiven"

@suburbanindie

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he's forgotten so much as surpressed. Painful memories

Indo, bro. In that same mission John Marston mentions that the gang spoke about going there years ago. If you look at Arthur's journal (first pages) you can read about this.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I heard that as well

@killvader1001

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but that's retroactive. Something in RDR2 designed to match RDR1. It's cool but it doesn't mean that it was the original intention. They hadn't written rdr2 or conceptualised Arthur yet. Nothing wrong with that either

@KC.45

Жыл бұрын

@@killvader1001 No one has said that.

@WanderingKumquat

Жыл бұрын

@@killvader1001 no fucking shit

@MrDiddyboyish

Жыл бұрын

@@killvader1001 ok?

Playing after the epilogue and walked into the living room in Beecher's Hope. Jack goes "Arthur saved us didn't he?" Abigail: "Yes yes he did, but your Pa doesn't like to talk about it, right John?" John: "The past is the past, its over(or something like that)"

The scene with Dutch, Micah, and Arthur is very powerful. You can see when Arthur says “I gave you everything I had” Dutch knows he had lost his way. Dutch turned into a bad person but watching Arthur die you can tell messed with him.

@itsburoo

Жыл бұрын

yea you can see it click in his mind, that arthur was right the whole time, but he didn’t realize it till it was too late.

@ichangedmyusernamebecausei2551

11 ай бұрын

Yeah Hosea’s and Arthur’s death fully made him go crazy. Hosea was his longtime friend and Arthur was basically his adopted son. He watched them both die in front of him and he realized how he could’ve saved the gang if he listened to both of them.

Arthur was never the type to look at the past. He left things that he didn’t want touched the way they were too. I think John’s the same way they both were raised by the same man, so ofc he isn’t gonna think about Arthur without thinking about Dutch and Hosea, but people never really think about how things start or try to forget how they started, but they’ll never forget how bad something ended.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

They kind of the same

@killingfields6599

Жыл бұрын

And Arthur hates revenge.

hold on... bonnie here says that she is 27 years old (the year is 1911). so while red dead online takes place (1898) she is 14.. damn

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

That doesn’t make sense tbh 😂

@BurceVanUnenLOL

Жыл бұрын

Oddly weird

@Tom-is-not-human

Жыл бұрын

I mean if you ask me RDR online isn't canon

@I_JetFuture_I

Жыл бұрын

@Tom 26 hopefully it isn't. If it wasn't cannon, they could do more with it that wouldn't influence the story

@wetube6513

Жыл бұрын

Whoopsie daisy ROCKSTAR.

John desperately trying to get Arthur to go with him is what really got me, it shows the friendship between the two and John really didn't want Arthur to die, and Arthur really cared for John and his family

God I love rdr2, it's genuinely the best story ever written

@winstonthecuttlefish5352

Жыл бұрын

100%, tbh I didn't really enjoy RDR1 and thought it was a little boring, I didn't play RDR2 until recently because I didn't think I'd like it, but damn I was so wrong. It's much better than RDR1 and I had never played a game that's as emotionally engaging.

@360eradaryl7

Жыл бұрын

it’s really not, its just average at best

@360eradaryl7

Жыл бұрын

@@winstonthecuttlefish5352its legit not☠️ rdr is way more fun than 2, 2 literally downgraded in gameplay lol

@cursedbeans5560

Жыл бұрын

@@360eradaryl7I guess it’s based around preference

@P1T4Bot

11 ай бұрын

After RDR1 ..

The pain and chills that run to my body thinking I’ll never get in touch with a game character they say the brain doesn’t know the difference of feeling when it comes to fictional death and real death and I think this was a perfect example this hit so hard

@cxx23

Жыл бұрын

I'm late, but same. I thought I was saddened by John's death, and I was. But Arthur's death actually felt real. Absolutely mind blowing.

@NJ-uu6dz

Жыл бұрын

@@cxx23 i was 14 when i played RDR1 and it was my favorite game. When John died it was hardcore intense for me

@copeyy42

Жыл бұрын

try the last of us u will get in touch with those characters 2, cried from that game many times dont recommend the second one

@360eradaryl7

Жыл бұрын

dude must be on some shrooms☠️

They didn't have the idea of Arthur back when this game was developed, idk why people can't comprehend that?

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

But they made him based of events that happened in rdr 2, otherwise a prequel doesn’t make sense

@skxlter5747

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy the story was made in 2012 a few years after RDR 1, alot of people would argue that some continuity don't make sense like how there's a lot of character that aren't referenced in RDR 1 like Hosea, Lenny and other gang members. I considered RDR 2 as a soft reboot and it made sense how they wanted to remake the game.

@earnem4175

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy No. It's a dialogue, Arthur wasn't in the game, Rockstar is just using lines, and connecting the dots in the timeline. So it's a afterthought

@skxlter5747

Жыл бұрын

@@earnem4175 it's just lazy retconning at this point

@kckillakrack9714

Жыл бұрын

He is in a newspaper in rdr1 only time he is mentioned

One of the few video game endings that made me tear up

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@stanleybochenek1862

Жыл бұрын

😭

@A_Final_Hit

Жыл бұрын

The *only* one for me. From the time Arthur starts his final ride, to thanking his horse, right up until the very end, the tears are flowing.

@one1848

Жыл бұрын

@@A_Final_Hit someone never played RDR1 apparently.

@A_Final_Hit

Жыл бұрын

@@one1848 No, I played it. It just wasn't as immersive and emotional as RDR2 is.

My grandma lost her son (my uncle, obviously) almost 30 years ago. Even though my mom (her daughter) does, not even once in my 34 years I saw my grandma mentioning him. Mom says that has been like this since his death.

A stretch but fair

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

😮

I kinda see this as something from the gang’s fate rather than Arthur himself. The gang was doing okay but forces outside always got in their way no matter how much they tried to stay

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

👌

I know that there are no references to 2 in 1 for obvious reasons but I like to think they wrote scenes like the second one here with rdr1 quotes in mind.

I love how everyone is contemplating why his name is never spoken of… bruh it’s because they didn’t have a storyline set up for rdr2 when they made the first game lol. Arthur wasn’t a thought in a developers head until after rdr1

@spitfirespatial

9 ай бұрын

And they managed to tie the story together to rdr2 in development.

I think he is talking about himself staying with Abigail after doubting Jack's parentage. He ran for a year...

might be a coincidence but I always get goosebumps when I watch arthur's end

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

😮 😞

I honestly hope the next Red Dead Redemption is either a new story or an honest sequel. Give us a whole new, unknown story. Don't give us a prequel where we have to be sad because we know what's gonna end up happening to certain characters.

@earnem4175

Жыл бұрын

A story about Dutch and Colms backstory.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

I would like to have another prequel

@Dunki113

Жыл бұрын

A sequel won't happen because jack hung up his hat after getting rid of Ross and became a writer. I think they need to make a new "red dead" game but with a new gang and characters so that Rockstar can be a little more creative without the shackles of forcing the story to line up to the previous one.

@bulletploofgrass

Жыл бұрын

The story is over we don’t need another sequel.

@nowayfriend

Жыл бұрын

a sequel wouldnt make sense tbh, what would be cool would be a prequel about how the gang united, and most likely ending with the blackwater massacre

I know John said he doesn’t bring up Arthur (even though he talks about him to the strangers) but there’s no way Dutch or bill wouldn’t bring him up. Or hell, Ross may bring him or Micah up. This is why RDR1 should get a remake tbh

@ashmyblunt

Жыл бұрын

Would you really pay full price for a game you’ve already played to have them throw in some additional voice lines, or would you rather have a new read dead game all together?

@Varun37251

Жыл бұрын

@@ashmyblunt well it wouldn’t be just additional voice lines. Better graphics, mechanics, customization, and rockstar can do things with the original game that they couldn’t have back then

@ashmyblunt

Жыл бұрын

@@Varun37251 that’s all true. But a new game would have all of that and much more. All new content

@Varun37251

Жыл бұрын

@@ashmyblunt who’s to say we can’t have both?

@ashmyblunt

Жыл бұрын

@@Varun37251 time. These red dead games aren’t quick to make, I wouldn’t expect to see another red dead till around 2030, so I’d rather it be a good one.

John loved Aurther. But he also resented him. Not for what Arthur did to John. But for what he did for John. This is truly what it feels like to have a brother. Someone that you love so deep to the bone that you would die for without question. That you resent for all the things he did right and you did wrong. And the person you cant bring your self to talk about because you cant apologize because now hes gone.

John and Arthur were great legends in their own rights

I think that line comes from John always having been on the run. Whenever something bad happened he and the gang would get as far away as they could. That was his life for many years. Him living on the farm so long is what is the challenge, knowing that if there's trouble and he runs or loses he will lose everything.

That's quite a stretch my friend

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

?

Damn that almost made me cry… some amazing acting and directing right there

Thats is the reason why john doesnt want to talk about Arthur, and thats the reason he tryes to find redemption on the first game

That ending will always get me, a video game never made me emotional 🥲

Even the Stange Man will call out on John, that he has forgotten far more important people than himself

This is probably the most tenuous connection I’ve ever seen.

We will not deny the fact that Arthur Morgan wasn't written yet at the time and we shall never deny the fact that we're glad that he was added in the story. One of the best if not the best character in all of gaming so far.

@360eradaryl7

Жыл бұрын

nah i wish they just stuck to john they didnt even try with arthur. They legit didnt care about anything besides money when they made rdr2

@Bug504

11 ай бұрын

​@@360eradaryl7gotta be some rage bait

@Suffinex

7 ай бұрын

@@Bug504 what I'm saying fr

John never literally talks about Arthur in part 1 for obvious reasons. But you can just tell that something profound must have happened to him to convert him from a life of crime to becoming a family man. Well, that "something" was Arthur. His existence is implied by John's life in part 1.

Started playing RDR2 again and it brought me back to this video again it hits the heart strings 😢

"get the hell out of here and be a goddamn man" brings a tear to my eye every time i hear it

Man I thought this was released like 3 years ago Surprised u still make rdr2 and rdr videoes keep it up

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy

@CheezDoodlezz

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy no prob mr J

He could also be referring to the fact he abandoned Abigail and Jack and took off from the gang

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Could be

@ghostofyourmom

Жыл бұрын

​@@IndoJordyI mean, no, not 'could be'. That's what it is. There's ZERO ZIP NO mention of Arthur in RDR1. Sorry, sucks to suck, don't it 😅 This is a clickbait video. Pathetic.

Years later I still tear up at this scene.

The way he takes his hat off and say we ain’t both gone make it. Makes me tear up

Author is such a amazing character to play as in red dead 2 can’t believe rockstar killed him 😢

Fun fact, there's a cut dialogue where John LITERALLY talked about Arthur, he was talking to Landon in the scene but rarely any players talk about it

@niggamymelon

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because it does not exist and it's a lie to make other people believe stuff that never happened in the first place, unless you have some sort of source or proof to prove otherwise?

@MrFusion

Жыл бұрын

Dawg unless he name drops Arthur, it doesn't count

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@NorthTexasNewYork

Жыл бұрын

@@niggamymelon I found it in the files myself, its kinda hard to find tho

@BeatleHarrison

Жыл бұрын

Bro stfu and stop lying lmao, Arthur was not a thing yet. You didn’t find anything in the game files

1:52 I felt pain hearing Arthur shoot the uncleaned cattleman revolver

"You're my brother" hits the feels everytime

John is definitely not talking about Arthur in that clip, but that's okay.

I mean...that was actually a really good throw back even tho Arthur wasn't even a thing in their mind.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

But rdr 2 is based on the events of rdr 1

@cunningfox831

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordyArthur didn’t exist at the time of making rdr1

@WellMarbleCam

Жыл бұрын

@@cunningfox831 yea but they could have made the rdr2 scene based on what john said

Man thanks for posting this I fucking love red dead

'strength to stay than run' that words made us rethink he aint forgotten arthur

To be fair, there were a lot of characters that weren’t mentioned in the first one: Sean, Micah, Hosea, Lenny, Molly, Sadie, Charles, and so on.

To be fair, Arthur at this point has been deceased for 12 years. I can't think of anyone (with the exception of my family members) in my past that I would reference in my current life having not seen them for over a decade. A nod to Arthur would have been nice but it also makes it more tragic that there is nothing to remember him by (except for a sign in Saint Denis 😥)

John doesn’t mention Arthur, because that night is one he wants to forget

i never felt so close to a game character ever in my life but red dead changed that r.i.p Arthur

yall just cant accept the fact that arthur was NOT a character that was even thought of when rdr1 was released.

When he said "brother" I took my hat off, especially how John made sure author heard what he said clearly.... And just to see how author actually was towards him... Ffs it was like having an actual little brother that would always get into some sh*t and the big brother would actually come get his ass 🤣🤣🤣

In RDR2 you can find a dead guy by a boat with a lost love letter addressed to Bonnie McFarlane, There are so many little references to characters from the original game in the 2nd game too, There is mention of Landon Ricketts the gunslinger you meet in Mexico in the first game, The dude who falls off the cliff and dies with his flying machine is mentioned as well as you can find one of his wrecked machines and of course the strange man can be found in a picture frame in a shop in armadillo playing as John.

"You are my brother" "I know that" ♥️

I have never finished a game with a heart as broken as I did with Rdr 2 but it is still a masterpiece

YEAH I KNOW.....I KNOW

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

😮

@AbdenourMahmoud

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy you can't hate this game

@cooleyYT

Жыл бұрын

@@AbdenourMahmoud whos hating on it? are you serious?

@AbdenourMahmoud

Жыл бұрын

@@cooleyYT I've never said someone in hating on it

@cooleyYT

Жыл бұрын

you litterally said in your own words: "you cant hate on this game" what are you on?

Playing red dead 2010 hits different now mane for real, rd2 still classic

John says in the epilogue of RDR 2 that “he rarely mentions him, (Arthur) but he’s always thinking about him.”

I favorite part is when he talks about Arthur.

Clickbait title but still a legendary game

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Clickbait ?

@Luka2000_

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy john never talks about arthur in rdr1

I just recently played RDR2, and it was one of the most fascinating games i have ever played. I didn't knew much about RDR in general. I knew they were great games, meaning RDR and RDR2, but never played them, the only thing i knew was that the main characther died in RDR , little i would imagine that character was John Marston, damn...

Goddamn its been 5 years and that scene with Arthur and John on the hill strings brings a tear to my eyes...

Normally retcons like this usually hurts the story, but because the character of Arthur and his story in RDR2 are so well written, it actually adds to the history. Although, it would benefit a remake to have actual references, even if Arthur isn’t mentioned by name.

Have some goddamn faith JAHN !!

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

There is a lot of emotions when he place the hat on John head

This right here is proof Bonnie is 14/15 in RDO/RDR2. So many people think she's like the same age as John when she's only like 9 years older than Jack.

Guys, he doesn't talk about Arthur, period Arthur didn't exist in that time

@spitfirespatial

9 ай бұрын

Red dead redemption 2s story takes place before red dead redemption 1s story...

@spitfirespatial

9 ай бұрын

@@s_g_101 Factual information! Rockstar was better back then, they thought of good storys so easily!

"The moment John talks about Arthur in RDR part 1" *doesn't talk about arthur* I knew it was clickbait bullshit yet I'm still disappointed

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

How doesn’t he talk about Arthur here ? About who is he talking than ?

@aidankeogh9994

Жыл бұрын

​@@IndoJordy Here John is just talking with Bonnie about how the grass isn't always greener on the other side, and how it might take and be telling of more strength to stay where she is and plant her roots. Us, the players eight whole years later, being able to coincidentally connect bits of dialogue to events in the prequel doesn't mean the two necessarily have any relation. I am certain that the idea of Arthur Morgan didn't even exist back in 2010, otherwise he would've been a character referenced by Dutch who never stops talking about the gang's old days. This scene was written to be one thing and one thing only, John and Bonnie chatting about _her_ circumstances. Considering on that fateful night Arthur was _running away_ from Dutch and the Pinkertons after confronting Dutch went nowhere, its more a testament to how gracefully Red Dead 2's postgame bridged the gap between itself and Red Dead 1 that we can loosely associate these scenes between games. There's dialogue in Red Dead 2's postgame where Abigail notes that John doesn't like talking about Arthur, to which he responds "The past is gone. We've left that behind."

After my dad passed away I never talked about him to anyone, but I still remember him, I still love him and sometimes I feel the need to Cry but I don’t, just because my dad wouldn’t want that… And that’s the same thing that happens to John, if he was a real person it would be the same thing, and I’m pretty sure about that. He just lives by his code and no one, not even Abigail, Jack and Uncle need to know that, only him and his brother Arthur. Thats why he never mentioned Arthur in RDR1 and mentioned a few times in the Epilogue in RDR2

I think it's incredible that Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2 were released in different times, but the writers made sure to make the story of RDR2 match and add up with the writing that was in RDR1.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

True that

@BeatleHarrison

Жыл бұрын

No they didn’t, rdr2 is filled with plot holes and retcons to the original rdr1 lore that simply don’t make sense and ruin rdr1 in a way

@AndreiHarkov

Жыл бұрын

@@BeatleHarrison care to mention the plot holes? I'm interested since I never played rdr1

@BeatleHarrison

Жыл бұрын

@@AndreiHarkov Arthur is one since in rdr1 John is described as Dutch’s favorite son and his main enforcer while in rdr2 he’s just another camp member, Javier in rdr1 was implied to be a horrible man by John when he was in the gang while in 2 he’s the nicest person in the camp, Bill in rdr2 is hinted at being gay while in 1 he kills and rapes a bunch of women. John tells Javier that Abigail always thought he was a creep yet in rdr2 they barely have any interactions to imply that and again he’s the nicest person in the camp. Javier tells John that he hopes him and his children rot in hell yet in rdr2 it’s just Jack who’s born so how would he know about John’s daughter? Sadie, Charles and again Arthur are retcons since John says that everyone in the gang had gone crazy anyhow and that everyone left him to die which isn’t true since they helped him leave the gang. Abigail tells John he was left to die because unlike everyone he knew the truth while in rdr2 he was left to die because Micah told Dutch to do it. Abigail in rdr1 tells John he wanted to be a farmer while in rdr2 it’s her who wanted to be a farmer. John says during a hidden dialogue exchange that the only times the gang ever needed him was when he had prostitutes hinting that he wasn’t in the gang at all and that he was originally a pimp who brought Abigail to the gang. John says he’s never been to NA in rdr1 which isn’t true since in rdr2 you do a mission there, a stranger mission and John is forced to go there in order to collect dinosaur bones and legendary animals for 100% completion. There are WAYYYY to many buildings, railroad tracks and bridges missing in the rdr1 map in rdr2 for it to be considered realistic that the epilogue takes place 4 years before, Blackwater has different buildings and shapes in rdr2 than how they appear in rdr1 as well as houses being made of bricks instead of wood like in rdr1. John in rdr1 is constantly talking about the “man he used to be” when threatening people but in rdr2 he’s just an angry cowboy who gets captured a lot. In rdr1 John talks down on people who cheat or abandon their spouses and family yet in rdr2 he does the same making him a hypocrite. Not only does John in rdr1 not mention Arthur or Hosea or any of the other people in rdr2… but literally NOBODY in the gang mentions them either making them retcons as well. John morphing into Arthur in the epilogue by having his same exact body type, hair and now having left parted black hair instead of dark brown right parted hair like in the main rdr2 chapters and rdr1 is another issue as well as his clothes looking ugly af only for them to change shape and size. There’s way more but these are what I can think of rn

@Just_a_Piano_

Жыл бұрын

@@AndreiHarkov funny how he doesn't mention any lmao

john doesnt talk about arthur why would be he has no reason to

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

He saved his life

@DeadX2

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy and? doesnt mean you gotta mention arthur 24/7 to people that you meet

@earnem4175

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy And John does not need saving in rdr2. He makes it to his family nonetheless

@DeadX2

Жыл бұрын

​@@earnem4175 ong bro fanboys always say that shit

And john stays true to these words at his end too

Bruh i forgot about the hat scene shit smacked like a ton of bricks

Bruh . Arthur character or name is not even exist when they make RDR1 . The other things you do is . RDR2 using a reference from RDR1

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

But they made several events happened so it makes sense, like Dutch betraying John in rdr 2

@cunningfox831

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordyNO IT DOESN’T DUDE. Use your brain. Just because one thing is the same, does not mean all of it is. The game director Dan Houser has confirmed that Arthur was not even created when they made RDR1.

Evil clickbait. However I clearly remember a dialogue in Red Dead Redemption where John says "A friend helped me escape" and Dutch mentioning to John that Arthur believed in him, at which John responded "Don't you dare talk about him!". Ask The Gods.

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

It’s not even clickbait

@profeta4177

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordy, talking about someone isn't what John is doing there: he is "quoting" Arthur.

@cunningfox831

Жыл бұрын

@@IndoJordyIt absolutely is clickbait

@Nexius7839

Жыл бұрын

that never happens profeta

@profeta4177

Жыл бұрын

@@Nexius7839, in two occasions: one was when riding around in a mission with Bonnie, Abraham or Landon where John starts talking about his past, and the second is when chasing Dutch into his mountain. It could be that they had been removed too with a patch when the production of Red Dead Redemption 2 started in 2012 to create more freedom of creativity or mystery. However I clearly remember one of the two, that's why I wasn't surprised to see Arthur in 2018 and said it in the official Rockstar's channel. I have divine memory.

"You are my brother" "I know, I know" Two men showing respect and love to each other without actions.

Arthur is the G.O.A.T, my all time fav character of any game ever.

First

@IndoJordy

Жыл бұрын

🥇🏆

@SpankZorOwnsYa

Жыл бұрын

Ah, the classic 'first' comment. It's like getting a participation trophy for showing up to a game you didn't even play. Congratulations on achieving absolutely nothing.

Just got this for the switch fckn love it makes me wanna Be twenty again 🤣 back when video fans were good

When john says "Youre my brother" its almost like hes apologizing for not seeing it/being a better brother to arthur. Like hes sorry for leaving him behind for that year. And he hates having to leave him now. Arthurs "i know" is him essentially saying john had nothing to apologize for. He always knew johns heart.

"You look like a man who has been in the mill." "Uh thank you"

The "You're my brother" hits hard every time! 🥺 I don't think this was foreshadowing, but it just aligns perfecly. ✊️

I love things that do prequels because when you watch/play the the original thing set after you get to make head canon moments and have fun with speculating if lines work or not