Use code BELLULARWARCRAFT at the link below to get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan: incogni.com/bellularwarcraft Sponsored by Incogni.

@POTATOEMPN

19 күн бұрын

Big Crystal? I think you mean the point of Sargeras' sword?

Botani vs the Scourge. Unstoppable tide of life vs unending tide of unlife. Aaaaaand go!

@aster4jaden

19 күн бұрын

I mentioned this on Reddit years ago, the Corpses can be harvested to create Infested but quite a few people did not like the idea.

@howardhavardramberg7160

19 күн бұрын

It doesn't even seem close! If Life can literally overcome a timeline where the Titans win over their enemies yet lose to Life itself, the undead Scourge would eventually be conquered by Botani, IF, they are successful in evolving Genesaur armies. Life seems too OP to me

@id2k.

19 күн бұрын

So the flood, wow edition.

@BurningFreesias

19 күн бұрын

@@aster4jaden They gotta' broaden their perspective because corpses would make the perfect compost, even undead ones!

@Fortjul

19 күн бұрын

Plants vs zombies

We saw a Genesaur in Legion too! In the Antorus Eonar boss fight there's one wandering around below us.

Ulderoth gives me Zerus vibes. The natural Zerg homeworld from Starcraft. A world teaming with untamed life where survival of the fittest was taken to the extreme.

@Nerubico

14 күн бұрын

"...they fight... they kill... they . . . evolve !" 😍

Have we all forgotten about the the Botani and Saberon that managed to use the portal to escape Draenor seen running away into Northern Barrens after the Mag'har Orc Allied Race quest?

@TaliesinMyrddin

19 күн бұрын

I never did. Half of why I want a world revamp is to see the Botani turn Wailing Caverns (and the Barrens) into a rainforested fortress with the Saberon taking over southern Barrens.

@swarmX

19 күн бұрын

he mentions it in the video lol

@TeddyBerry

19 күн бұрын

Why not finish the video before commenting lmao, he mentions it

@AccidentlyHero

19 күн бұрын

@@TeddyBerry because what's understood doesn't need to be explained.

Given how much we've seen Nature get abused in WoW such as corruption by Fel and the Emerald Nightmare, i'm all for seeing Life strike back with vengeance.

@electricwizard5747

17 күн бұрын

no that's not nature's style. the good guys are always defensive, always. unless we get some new type of corrupted nature villain. DAMN!!!!!

@aster4jaden

16 күн бұрын

@@electricwizard5747 The Sporemounds might return.

@eternallegacy89

13 күн бұрын

​@@aster4jadenbut what about the Devourers? They literally had access to Zereth Mortis and were left unchecked with them invading and consuming there... They literally have alien-like humanoids that are not technologically or magically advanced but literally cosmic forces advanced as whatever they eat they absorb yet they were just forgotten and possibly could be coming into Azeroth given how Khadgar literally showed us that there is a canon portal or way into the Shadowlands still open and we aren't concerned with a force that was causing problems even for the Jailer?

Another Azeroth ending threat??? (Stares in surprised pikachu face)

@Jacketpotatos1

19 күн бұрын

Last one was 8 years ago, what you mean?

@Leemann9

19 күн бұрын

WoW another person that just wants to complain.

@DarkScreamGames

19 күн бұрын

better than world of hugcraft

@bosssavage3325

19 күн бұрын

After all we’ve been thru… the only danger is an Azeroth ending threat. It’s not surprising. The Kobold with a big candle at the end of the cave won’t be the main storyline for the expac.

@iamlegion3093

19 күн бұрын

NO COMPLAINING OR DISAGREEMENT WILL EVER BE ALLOWED@@Leemann9

2:16 😊

@garrettkrahn1828

19 күн бұрын

The hero of heroes

I think it's pretty clear that they are establishing that all six of the primal forces need to be in balance for things to be OK. I mean, it's pretty easy to see that a world with Death, Disorder, or Void ascendant is pretty bad. And you can easily imagine the problems of Order ascendant - you'd have a world of stasis, where nothing ever changes. But it's easy to think that a world of Life would be pretty neat. I mean, we're life, right? The Everbloom and Ulderoth shows that that's not true. And while we haven't seen Light ascendant, I think the whole bit with Xe'ra and Illidan shows that it would not be all that pleasant.

These generaurs/botani came to azeroth with mag'har orcs from AU draenor when they came to durotar through that giant teleport during BFA and espaced to wilderness and because of game restrictions it looks like it was only few mag'har and others who were transferred but somewhere it was stated that blizz doesn't have exact numbers but a significant fighting force arrived (mag'har)

@henrikmygren

19 күн бұрын

Yeah was gonna write that too. Saw your post though👍 Don't remember the scene exactly but did saber and AU ogres also join us? I mean atleast som AU ogres who joined AU Garrosh against the lightforged think we saw some once the AU orcs joined us back?

@HeavyYeti

19 күн бұрын

​@@henrikmygrenogres and ogron too, I believe

@henrikmygren

19 күн бұрын

@@HeavyYeti I have a vague memory of something like that but was not 100%

@That_kind_of_orc

19 күн бұрын

@@henrikmygren yeah plenty of races came through with the mag'har orcs like goren, genesaurs, ogres, ogron, gronn and saberon too if im correct but genesaurs and goren escaped to wilderness in durotar I'm not sure maybe there was other races too which escaped to wilds

Dont forget about the one Saberon and One Botani that came back through the portal with us and immediately disappeared.

@1301Marko

19 күн бұрын

What?? When did this happen

@JBnights1

19 күн бұрын

@@1301Marko and I didnt realize it but there is more the one of each kind running away

@simpleman3898

19 күн бұрын

Really? I love the saderon. That would be cool😊

You realise the life spores are the curse of flesh, literally turning stone to flesh

I love how muscular Eonar is.

Man a cool Caverns of Time Dungeons could have been us dealing with the infinities on some alt timeline azeroth where the botani got loose and became an unchecked problem.

The orcs have their own origin story that tells a different story, but comes to the same conclusion. The orcs have their own curse of flesh that came from the sporemound Botan. Quite interesting!

I wonder if the Annihilan (Pit Lords) are just demon tainted Genesaurs. Their models are very close to each other.

@Sossingro

18 күн бұрын

Unless they retcon it, no they aren't. I agree that they do have similarities, the horns on the head, in addition to the limbs.

@lennyvalentin6485

17 күн бұрын

@@Sossingro Blizzard recycles character model rigs all the time because of how work intensive it is to design them and all their attached animations (which are done by hand.) Like, how ogres and moonkin share the same rig, and how druid ancient form is the male orc rig and so on. So Annihilan and Genesaurs looking similar is just a labor-saving shortcut almost certainly, and not some unstated tidbit of hidden lore. :)

The backlore from Draenor in the second Chronicle book was easily one of the best stuff they added. Great stuff.

@nickmessner700

18 күн бұрын

I still maintain that if they delivered on all the promise that WoD had, it would have been an all time great xpac. They just cut sooooo much stuff. Gimme my ogre empire continent.

It certainly would be a major problem if the Botani that escaped through the portal to the Barrens, managed to take hold in the Stagnant Oasis or the Overgrowth. By the time it is noticed, I imagine the whole of the Barrens would be changed to something as lush as Stranglethorn Vale.

How does Bellular or any of the script writers not know of the massive Genesaur walking at the bottom of the Elunarian Sanctuary (on Elunaria, supposed home of Eonar) inside of Antorus, The Burning Throne raid from Legion patch 7.3? Feels like a thread almost criminally negligent to miss.

@reptilizer

19 күн бұрын

And the presence of spore infested automa in Zereth Mortis.

@Junebug89

18 күн бұрын

It's a good thread to bring up, but I am sure there is a way to do it that does not sound so unnecessarily hostile to the video creators...

@reptilizer

18 күн бұрын

@@Junebug89 Yeah that's fair. It was just blowing my mind and I got a little carried away because they set a high standard for themselves. No harm intended.

I rememeber a quest in WOD which gave you a follower (I believe) that was activating some sort of mechanism to kill a genasaur outside of a cave. You had to go inside and activate it. Pretty cool to see this guys again.

Strike from History actually showed one of Yogg-Saron’s tentacles. But the vine is a good guess.

Having the Botani pose a The Flood-like existential risk could be an interesting plot piece. Especially with modern graphics.

I immediately though of ungoro crater, sholozar basin. Titan facilities all in areas of mass overgrowth. There's definitely something to that

Perfect quartet for mortals to exist. Life/Death and Light with Order in control of the balance.

There are Genesaurs or placeholders for similar beings on Elunaria fighting Dragons!

I mean if you need to know the scale of grond Just look at gorgrond all the way south to the throne of the elements in nagrand. That is his body.

Broooooo yes. Give me more Botani and Genesaurs, I felt like they were such an interesting enemy that got neglected.

One thing to note, shrine of storms under water section also had these root like structures in the swim section, everyone assumed it was nzoth but at the time of the story he is locked away. And all old god tentacles wriggle not remain stationary like the roots do.

There were Genesaurs that came with the Mag’har to Azeroth when they got teleported

Wowhead just datamined a "Nerubian War Beast" npc model. It kinda looks like a Genesaur with wings and a spikey carapace.

I imagine the Genesaurs are an extension of the Life sector of the WoW Cosmology Chart. The Titans are pure Order - even Eonar, the Titan closest to Life, was still more loyal to Order and the other Titans than she was to Life. And let's not forget that each of the six points of the Cosmology Chart are ever working against each other in a bid to claim dominance of reality, even against the points adjacent to them. So when Kairozdormu connected our "Main Timeline" to the alternate WoD one, perhaps all six points of Cosmology took notice and renewed their efforts. We know Chaos was immediately involved, with the immediate heavy demon presence. Thanks to the Mag'har allied race recruitment quests, we know the Light has taken notice and started making efforts through alternate Draenor. And as mentioned in the video, the Genesaurs started invading the main Azeroth from alternate Draenor. So perhaps the Genesaur in the War Within alpha is a small hint that we'll be seeing gathering forces not just of Shadow, but of every point of Cosmology gathering to fight for control over Azeroth herself. (whom is heavily hinted to not even be a Titan, but something far more powerful, and something thus far Cosmologically neutral)

16:04 This is not a vine, but a tentacle of Yogg-Saron.

We also saw them on Elunaria

Makes me wonder how that Genesaur ended up in the Ringing Deeps. Could have something to do with those massive roots.

My takeaway from this video is the WoD zones still look great.

The thing is, that the Chronicles are HEAVILY biased due to their author, Odyn, being a complete and utter bell-end of a bastard. Odds are, Draenor may not have been at risk of collapse, Aggramar just saw a world overflowing with a rival Power, Life, and created a servant to fight it back, catalogue the world and buy time until the Titans could send suitable servants to the world to reshape and 'perfect' it, but that got derailed when Sargeras drank the Fel Kool-Aid. Consider that Grond looked nothing like a normal Titanic servant, being far more brutal and savage-looking, probably because he was a rush-job.

@laertesindeed

19 күн бұрын

Odyn was not the author of the chronicles.

Still waiting for blizz to show some massive jungle that formed in Durotar due to the Botani coming through, and a saberon camp

They should at one point in the game introduce a Natural Catastrophe thats threatening the World. And the worst and most damaging Catastrophe is a Blizzard, referencing themselves destroying the game and acknowledgning not knowing if we as players can survive it.

Why does the pulling of the tree sound exactly like the pulling of the old god....

@keeganz1029

18 күн бұрын

I'm starting to believe that the Titans accidently created the Old Gods, and the Old Gods were originally Life-based entities.

He Will turn Azeroth in a giant lettuce

The whole ripping a tree out sure similar to ripping an old God out

The placement of the roots also would make sense if elune’ahir was once where Ungoro is currently. Probably closer to Ungoro then Pandaria.

Aman'thul is showing to be more and more like the greater scope villain. Wanting nothing but order, and only order, throws the balance of all things out of the window.

@laertesindeed

19 күн бұрын

The lore says the exact opposite of that.

Plant Zerg expansion would have been dope

its a better question in warcraft lore to ask what *isnt* a world ending threat

very interesting!

Could you guys just make a lore recap video from the alpha? Would love to know what’s going on.

EVERY EXPANSION is a azeroth ending event.

Huge Missed opportunity with alternate Draenor, Blizzard should’ve taken the planet and thrust it into our timeline. The plot possibilities would’ve been amazing to see.

woah how groundbreaking never seen an azeroth ending threat before

great content

There's also something deeper going on Draenors' past: the presence of an Old God on the world which was caused by the Void Lords blindly tossing Old Gods out into the cosmos hoping to find a World Soul to devour and corrupt to create a Void Titan. This nameless Old God would land on Primordial Draenor and it's presence would have resulted in the rise of the Evergrowth through the corrupting effects of The Void Lords on the local wildlife to drive it in the goal of devouring the entire biosphere: similar to how The Old Gods on Azeroth had created The Black Empire by corrupting the Aqir. After Aggramar showed up and created Grond to defeat the Evergrowth; this same Old God responsible for corrupting the Botani would then go dormant until it came into contact with the local Wild Gods that formed from the battle between The Evergrowth and The Breakers and corrupt Sethekk to it's cause no different than what happened with Neltharion when N'Zoth whispered to him. This detail is shown within Burning Crusade where a group of Arakkoa are seen in Shadowmoon Valley on Outland trying to commune with an Old God: Shadowmoon Valley in Warlords of Draenor was to the northeast of Spires of Arak, and if we remember our Arakkoa Archaeology: The Outcast Dreamcatcher has this noteworthy blurb for it: _"Outcast Arakkoa have repurposed the dreamcatcher not to ward off the Curse of Sethe, but to capture and harvest tiny amounts of essences from their lost gods. Rumors persist of an ever-growing mass of swirling energy buried deep beneath Skettis, whispering promises of power to any who will listen..."_ Chances are, the Old God presence beneath Draenor had likely found a means to transcend spacetime through the Mag'har Recruitment Scenario and is likely working alongside Xal'Atath in order to fulfill it's grand design of corrupting a World Soul.

@laertesindeed

19 күн бұрын

Not sure what you mean. The Everbloom was caused by cosmic team Life, not void. Moreover, there was never a world soul in Draenor.

@0hvist

19 күн бұрын

@@laertesindeed What part about _"The Void Lords blindly tossing Old Gods out into the cosmos hoping to find a World Soul to devour"_ did you miss?

@laertesindeed

19 күн бұрын

@@0hvist There isn't any evidence for an old god on Draenor at all (interestingly the quest in shadowmoon valley with arrakoa during BC seems to be them attempting to summon one into the world from somewhere else...but they failed when we stop them) . Meanwhile, the Everbloom was created by cosmic team Life.

@0hvist

19 күн бұрын

@@laertesindeed not all powers are created equally, nor are they mutually-exclusive to being used or manipulated by another force: cite the fact that the Twilight Hammer Cult has a number of former Paladins and Priests among their number who once valued The Holy Light, or The Druids of The Flame who once fought for the sake of Nature and Life instead following down the path of the Elemental Lords and submitting themselves to Fire Lord Ragnaros. Is it really that much of a stretch of the imagination that at some point an Old God would have driven plant life to insanity to worship it and follow its' goals?

To me, it's quite clear: They're setting up for what happens when the titans are dealt with in The Last Titan. Avaloren sporemound expansion in 2030 let's go

honestly, I'd like to revisit Draenor at some point to deal with the light taint caused by Yrel

I found that creature earlier when browsing the alpha datamined npcs. It is labelled as a verdant hulk currently so unsure if they will gain a unique model, same to genesaur or something different entirely. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I am curious about the roots and the potential allied race troll/elf people. We did also see a genesaur in the maldraxxus arena.

Which stone drake was that? 3:27 I’ve always wanted one can’t get the last achievement cracking skulls done they nerfed the rez sickness debuff rate before I was going to get it so now I need a lower level toon thanks blizzard! Anyways obviously the one on this vid is dynamic flight. So it’s newer I’m guessing?

Idk man. Ya know the only type of plant that lives until you rip the roots out is a weed....typically not a story element that is synonymous with things that are good. Plus we still don't know which perspective is the truth cause didn't time daddy also "rip out" Y'Sharrj

that would be nice

I actually really liked the botani part of Warlords of Draenor. I thought it was disappointing that this storyline didn't go further. It was an interesting threat because it wasn't a mustache-twirling villain. It has no morals. It's just a life form whose desire to grow and thrive is so strong that it's dangerous to everyone who comes across it. I'm interested to see where they go with this.

This gives me hope for a Farahlon patch, ngl

"The World Soul was in a really bad state" while Azeroth's world soul during the black empire just having peaceful dreams with no sign of corruption upon the soul xD

If we could turn the Evergrowth, Zang, Naanu, Botaan, and the another unnamed Sporemound into Old gods , how would they be and what powers could they have

Given that the Aman’Thul card released with a new version of Yogg-Saron, I’m pretty sure those “vines” are actually just Yogg-Saron (you can also tell by the flaky tips of his tentacles in the background)

@BurningFreesias

19 күн бұрын

Those definitely have to be Old God tentacles, but it's interesting how they also very much look like plant vines! Wonder if that's a deliberate choice.

all i can think of is "can you not be under a world ending threat FOR FIVE MINUTES?!"

@arceptor

19 күн бұрын

we havent been for an entire expansion

I mean we have Draenor Podlings in the Dream already!!

The relation between the titens is like a mexican love tv drama

The roots remind me of kirin tor eyeball a bit

You mean the writers' room at Blizzard?

Gimme Yrel on a crusade to trim some bushes 😊

I'm curious since blizzard actually remembered the Botani exist (and dipped after the Alt Draenor), but I wonder what happened to the Saberon?

If the Titans defeat the void forces, then they might end up fighting amongst themselves over what to do with Azeroth, and Eonar might favor Life over Order, looks like she might win too

Remember, BFA islands? wanna Bet the life forces we fought there came from here?

There is one on Elunaria

I may be wrong but the HS art of Aman'thul looks like its striking the tentacles of Yogg Saron? Not some vines.

I wonder how/if this ties together with the same imagery of Aman'Thul ripping Y'shaarj from Azeroth.

Is any of this new stuff taking place in this 'Avalorn' place that was mentioned in some lootable books in DF pre-patch? The place that Odin wanted to go to because it had 'rebels' with good defences etc Is that the Isle of Dorn and the new Earthen or still a place yet to be looked into?

@ShadowsOfThePast

7 күн бұрын

Avalorn is speculated to be patch-content in TWW or in the later expansions.

@Shaabhekh

7 күн бұрын

@@ShadowsOfThePast - ah ok, so Avalorn isnt the landmass that TWW is set on as a whole then?

@ShadowsOfThePast

7 күн бұрын

@@Shaabhekh yes I'm pretty sure it's not. Not sure what it's called if not Isle of Dorn because I think that's the starting zone and the rest are below it going deeper and deeper.

@Shaabhekh

7 күн бұрын

@@ShadowsOfThePast - Thnx for the info :) appreciated. Have you come across any more info about Avalorn in-game at all since the Uldaman books? Seems to have no more mention really. I did spot a book in Emerald Dream about a green(?) dragon who explored past the sea of storms though - cant remember if they came back, if not im fully expecting a green dragon in this new area, haha

@ShadowsOfThePast

7 күн бұрын

@@Shaabhekh No I haven't found any info really. I mostly get all my info from watching a bunch of WoW content creators 🤔 and from reading sites like MMO-champion etc. It's an interesting time to be playing WoW though with the World Soul saga and beyond. I feel like WoW is moving to a better direction again after Shadowlands with DF being a good start and hopefully TWW will keep it going 👍🏻

9:22 those are roots forming the kirin tor symbol which means we will be fighting time traveling parallel universe jumping spore infested humans! 😂😂😂

Threat level MIDNIGHT

thanks bellular .... u make me so happy that i am on a Pserver ... and not on retail .. TY!

Why am I feeling The Last Titan is going to be a Titan Civil War over Azeroth? With Tyr and Eonar on our side, and AmanThul, Odin, etc as our enemies

@laertesindeed

19 күн бұрын

But Eonar and Odyn are not on our side...... Tyr and Aman'thul are on our side.

Doesn't Eonar has some kind of frozen genesuar in Elunaria?

I'm sad they forgot about all the Botani, Genesaurs and all the generic intelligent fauna that crossed with the Mag'har at the end of WoD.

When I saw it my brain very quickly went "Isn't that a genesaur? Wouldn't that be an extinction level event to have that just walking about?" But then I was like "Nah, they're probably just reusing the model." And that's the last I thought if it. The whole thing must have lasted half a second.

Is this really the best Blizzard can do? Put the War back in Warcraft already!

Bellular, you do realize that thing in the "strike from history" card in Hearthstone is likely just a Yogg-Saron tentacle, yeah? Legit looks the same and is colored the same.

FINALLY THOSE FUCKING BOTANI COMING THREW ALTERNATE DRENOR IS PAYING OFF

ANOTHER AZEROTH ENDING THREAT. LET’S GET TEN RANDOM PEOPLE.

Elun'Ahir is in Un'goro Crater right? Or under but you are telling us we only have four or so zones in TWW southwest of Pandaria is the Isle of Dorn that leads into the underground yet it somehow travels sw of Pandaria and somehow all the way to Kalimdor and under Un'goro Crater? That's a lot of land just for four or so zones.

are we forgetting the turning stone to flesh part? i think Yogg used his connection to the dream to release the "curse of flesh tu us humans etc."

@sirkkusalomaa4644

16 күн бұрын

that connection was established after the curse of flesh

The roots under a giant hole that a giant tree could have been then built over by earthens. hmmmm.

@BurningFreesias

19 күн бұрын

Trying to hide Elune and Eonar's shame, surely. Lol.

Cant wait for the video about Manor Lords and how it puts to shame AAA game developers and especially strategy game developers.

Did we not see one during Antorius?

As a hunter main, I'd like to tame them.

World of Warcraft: Heart of Thorns

Without these videos I would go on thinking dungeons and bosses are just there to be cool and be killed :p

"This"

Bellular do you feel wow wipe is down? because im super hype for WoW in general retail and classic

@weevil8025

19 күн бұрын

@Koopyspappy Moron.

What’s the video that we won’t look at ToS the again?

So someone who can master time , doesn't know the roots still exist. What is with all these timelords who cant see anything.

I really hope there won't be another alternate timeline I'm really sick of these expansive and stories.