The No Sympathy story is pretty easy. Kick that player and move on with your life. It’s most important that your villain has logic to it. Even if he’s crazy and stupid they need follow their own line of reasoning to maintain consistency.

@garygallimore4620

Ай бұрын

I love to invert the trope where it’s actually a completely irredeemable villain posing as one that has sympathetic ideas. The main villain of my current campaign literally only wants to give the world over to a eldritch god of flesh so he can become a god of the reborn world. But he’s posing as a largely altruistic philanthropist who tries to play by the rules in an industrializing world. He’s playing both sides of the board waiting to strike. I’m hoping I’m doing it right because it’d be the best of both worlds. The act of sympathy and even attempt to get the party to aid him then revealing it all was a lie to achieve his goals.

@nonchip

Ай бұрын

yeah that's like "Exhibit A" for someone who can't tell the game/characters from the players, and we've all seen where that leads...

@Jermbot15

Ай бұрын

The reveal on stupid big bads are the best. Especially if you give them a coherent reason for being the big bad, either the blessing of a luck God or being the patsy for a surprise villain. But then when the players finally come face to face with this monstrous Warlord who has weaved through opportunities and calamities to carve up 5 kingdoms only to learn... he's just completely stupid and freakishly lucky.

Genuinely worried about the sister. Her logic of "gay bad" "Diddler not their fault" speaks to potential past trauma, or a sick mindset, or trying to make excuses for someone else. None of these are good and all require distance and therapy.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

I assume "gay bad" is her true mindset while "diddler not their fault" was just an excuse to deny satisfying justice to her pet OC assaulting his gay character.

@micahfoley9572

Ай бұрын

just normal religion things tbh. somehow pretending that someone else's differences are only because they're sick or injured or unwillfully ignorant provides the necessary justification to be completely fucking awful to them without having to acknowledge the immorality inherent in their own behavior. it's the same way they they treat trans people or people of other religions or people who have justified doubts and questions about their beliefs. just yesterday i had a literal child, at least 20 years my junior, who hadn't yet graduated from high school tell me "it's okay, i've been where you are". i hadn't said anything personal about myself or my beliefs yet, i was just asking them questions about what they believe and why. when i pointed this out, they cut all contact lol

@etcetera1995

22 күн бұрын

No, that's just a normal "never examined their biases" flavor of bad person.

Honestly I have never seen an asexual spend so much time talking about CoC.

@conspiracypanda1200

Ай бұрын

hehe, 🐓

It is kinda gross that a 30 year old has to rp domestic life with their sibling. And the homophobia? And then the crying when OP stopped? I would definitely stop roleplaying with her and going low contact. Something is very wrong with the sister

@TheDuchessFox

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I play DND with my sister, but we have very clear boundaries. That scenario is fucking weird, and the sister really needs to reflect on herself and why she thinks is appropriate to reflect those actions in a positive light. And the op needs to get the hell away from her

@kaylawoodbury2308

Ай бұрын

It's giving strong "attempted incestuous grooming" vibes to say the least...

@BAVy11037

Ай бұрын

> It is kinda gross that a 30 year old has to rp domestic life with their sibling. What's gross about it? Like, the non-concentual stuff is gross. The stuff involving children is gross. The homophobia is gross. But what is gross about two siblings playing a roleplaying game together?

@kaylawoodbury2308

Ай бұрын

@@BAVy11037 Did you not listen to the damn video? She was literally grooming op using sex roleplay...

@pippo17173

Ай бұрын

@BAVy11037 ya that part I don't get but the rest, op should just go no contact. Always believe what they show you in personality.

OP's sister is a real piece of work. What's more, no one should defend over the line behavior.

"NOOO 😭 YOU CAN'T MAKE A SUPERVILLAIN WITH A TRAGIC BACKSTORY 😭 THAT'S TOO COMPLEX AND I DON'T LIKE IT" It's weird to me that he got hung up on this premise because it's essentially the same as most quests: stop the immortal bad guy from destroying the world by figuring out how to ice him.

@BAVy11037

Ай бұрын

I feel like this is down to session zero Different campaigns have different vibes For example, it would be weird for a murderhobo evil campaign to have a sympathetic villain, don't you think? Just the way the player reacted was out of hand (yelling at the DM? what the hell)

@pointbreak0433

Ай бұрын

Guess I am the true villian. The villian in my campaign lost his daughter in a great calamity and now wants to replace the gods seeing them as unfit for the world.

@HeroOfTheHolySword

Ай бұрын

Honestly I disagree with the OP's feelings about the idea of immortality, but I can definitely see how it could potentially lead to a person like their villain. I would have told the rage-quitter to fucking leave tho.

@alphons1456o

Ай бұрын

Someone else wrote this in another comment section, but this player sounds like the same kind of player that got pissed off at being tricked by bandits, because "bandits can't be anything more than angry warriors looking to rush you for a few copper pieces"

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

@@BAVy11037 We unfortunately know nothing of the campaign besides the tragic immortal BBEG, just that one problem player at the table vocally hated the idea of a sympathetic villain while everyone else sided with DM.

Obviously, being cursed with immortality doesn't excuse trying to wipe out a civilization. The point of sympathetic villains is to show the audience how they themselves are not immune to villainy. Whether by being put in a desperate situation, blindly following a flawed ideology, or other circumstances, anyone can be driven to harm others. That's all besides the point though: that player must have assumed the absolute worst of OP to lash out like that, which is not the kind of energy they need at their table. I know its easy for me to say "just kick 'em," but seriously...

@kaylawoodbury2308

Ай бұрын

I was gonna say, there's a difference between a complex villain and a sympathetic one but people conflate the two a lot largely due to the over saturation of villain redemption stories. Especially the redemption stories that should be irredeemable like genocide. A villain can be complex and layered with a tragic explanation for their actions but thats not the same as a sympathetic villain using the backstory as a fully justified excuse. One of my favorite villains is a perfect example of how both nature and nurture can shape a person, he has experienced tragedy but he is still undoubtedly an irredeemable monster you aren't meant to sympathize with from the moment he murders his father.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

Sounded like OP mixed up tragic with sympathetic, which a lot of people do. Fortunately it didn't sound like the group was supposed to side with that BBEG, just understand he's not evil for the sake of it.

@Cadaveralien

Ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan tragic/ˈtrajik/ adjective: 1. causing or characterized by extreme distress or sorrow. sym·pa·thy /ˈsimpəTHē/ noun: 1.feelings of pity and sorrow for someone else's misfortune.

@emberfist8347

Ай бұрын

@@kaylawoodbury2308 And yet people who attempt genocide are still given redemption stories *cough*Loki*cough*.

@tonydanatop4912

Ай бұрын

@@kaylawoodbury2308I’m gonna guess DIO ??

As someone who basically had to cut off parts of her extended family after coming out i can speak from personal experience that family or not your better off without some types of people in your life.

Stan wants to escape from the real world where people call him out for being obsessed with SA I guess.

I've only played call of cthulu once and the funniest thing was that we didn't take sanity damage because we all kept failing our investigation rolls.

@claressadubs

Ай бұрын

Too dumb to go crazy. That's pretty awesome actually

@George_M_

Ай бұрын

That's a whole build method. High Power, Low Intelligence. Everyone in my group thinks of excuses to build their characters with that.

@emberfist8347

Ай бұрын

@@George_M_ Remember the epic tale of Old Man Henderson. He is someone every CoC Investigator should aspire to be.

I think that the most important thing about writing a villain is writing a villain that can be understood, AVATAR is actually good example we understand Zuko as a villain and are able to sympathise and understand his redemption, but we also understand Ozai and why he cannot be redeemed only stopped.

@conspiracypanda1200

Ай бұрын

There's also Azula, who you can feel bad for and must understand she is still unfixable despite that.

Anyone else giggle every time Crispy said CoC?

13:03 Crispy sitting like a queen while reading horror stories is iconic as hell.

"Stan" ... has a child. That's the true horror story, here. No Outer God and eldritch things needed. Jeebus. Edit: I hope the sister in the final story NEVER meets "Stan."

Surely there's a better way to shorten Call of Ctulhu than COC(K) 😭

I've never heard an asexual say so much about CoC

For me, a good villain needs two things: a style that clicks with the story (players included), and to make sense. Not make good calls or have good ideas. Just an internal logic. The Empire in Star Wars is REALLY clearly evil and wrong, but they think they make sense.

@lolitabubbles26

Ай бұрын

And the Empire is not a monolith. It is large enough to find pockets of sympathetic characters, resistances, spies, turncoats, and then the CLEARLY evil mofos that have a god complex or use force lightning arbitrarily.. or both.

@grumpygoosegg3514

Ай бұрын

And something that I think gets put by the wayside in a lot of media and discourse about Star Wars is how much the average person could see benefits under the Empire. Bureaucracy that prevented people from living decent lives under the Republic went away. It went away because the Empire exploited millions of people but it just adds internal logic to people who believed in the Empire’s cause. And I always find that really interesting

Among everything else Stan did, the blasphemy against Bast is unappreciated! x)

That last story is terrifying

For the afk story I do sort of understand leaving without a notice. Sometimes nature calls and you can't wait, or you have been waiting and there's never a good moment to call a break. When doing our online campaign, I rarely say anything when I go because I don't want to interrupt the group's flow. I quick "sorry I went to the bathroom while you were talking, did I miss anything important" usually suffices, and sometimes I just don't say anything and gather what happened from context. It's not always due to a lack of respect or lack of interest. This is more for the DM's side of things, since it doesn't apply to Steve- If he doesn't say anything, he doesn't have the right to get angry when he misses important information. Just apologize and move on.

This may be the last comment I ever leave on KZread as I've found myself in a horrible situation, I've lost means to get to work and thus rely on Uber, it's been a struggle...but I just found out my account was hacked and I lost a lot of money, I only have enough left to get to work tomorrow and will likely lose my job the following day, crispy I just wanna say thank you so much for providing me with hours of entertainment,your a very kind and funny soul,and you've meant so much to me lately and given me something to relax with and enjoy even when dealing with hardships, I wish you the best and hope one day I can post again on your comments if Im not homeless....thanks for being a spark of light in the dark

What kind of villains you like could be a good thing to bring up in session 0. I've never thought of it before, but if your players hate a complex or tragic villain and just want to kill faceless goons, (or vice versa, if the DM leans toward basic evil villains and the players want to engage more with drama) it's probably going to save everyone a headache to clear that up at the beginning.

And call the cops on stan expeditiously

i've just realized that i can't remember the last time i heard about someone being arbitrarily cruel that didn't involve their god and it's ostensible wishes.

Thanks again for reading my story! (CoS one)

10:32 Crispy does not know how to make abbreviations

i want immortality. not to take over the world or anything. but to just live to see where humanity is going to.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

Like DCAU Lex Luthor was talking about to Amazo.

6:13 Thank for clarifying it wasn't corruption of champions. 😂

24:40 I - No. I suppose it’s not always a PDFfile’s fault they are the way they are. However, suppose I was brainwashed as a child to believe human life is worthless and everyone is better off dead. It wouldn’t be my fault I thought that way, exactly. I’m still culpable if I commit murder, though! Yeesh. Definitely A CONCERNING SISTER!

10:43 absolutely love Crispy’s confidence in saying CoC with a (audio) straight face. I’m too immature xD

10:35 depends on the CoC...

For the only reachable by boat thing from CoC. I checked and Beunos Aires didn't have any airport until 1947. Also a commerical flight would be done on what is called a flying boat since the range of piston engine aircraft meant they would frequently need to stop at prepared islands to refuel. For some context, going from San Franciso to China in the 1930s by plane meant stopping at Hawaii, Midway Atoll, Wake Island, and then Shanghai.

No crispys were harmed during the making of this program (well... not physically at lease)

@CrispysTavern

Ай бұрын

A rare thing

that cthulhu one sure is... special. i run a VTM game with a lot of the personal horror aspect and "stains on your humanity" happen multiple times a session, and the worst thing that happened to a kid so far was... being slightly grumpily asked for directions by a player character. and the morally worst thing that happened in general probably was when they scared an NPC so hard (faded-to-black) they had to leave town, to protect the masquerade :P you can play bad people without actively reveling in being bad people yourself, that's kinda the whole point of horror.

It’s been a while since I’ve seen your content and LOVE the mini sketches, especially the first one about making a dark backstory 😂😁

If you're going to pronounce CoC as...that, then to be fair, you should also start calling DnD "Dund", and Matt Colville's company "McDamn".

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

D&D.

I've heard a few of these stories on other channels but I really enjoy listening to both your take on them and seeing your skits around them. Keep up the good work Crispy!

I only started playing early this year, with a group of people I didn’t know before. But I feel so incredibly lucky. They’re an awesome bunch, there have been no red (or even orange) flags and they’ve been really supportive of a newbie, even when I realise after a session that I misused a spell or something.

That insert at 0:28 was so random but I loved it so much

They asked for call of Chtulhu and DM decided to run Kult: divinity lost. Without the skill required to run it. Or the consent checks.

Absolutely loved this episode! I’m a huge fan of CoC!

@jadedoptimistt

Ай бұрын

I read that the way he read Coc in the vid lol

I get a bit tired of "who wants to be immortal" ... it's a valid story... but it gets tiring when it is the only trope applied to immortality. The fun-loving immortal guy in Sandman was such a breath of fresh air.

@Xhumed

Ай бұрын

Yeah, even when he was at his lowest, he still didn't want to give up his immortality. Then again, he had the "doesn't age" version of immortality.

I’m someone who likes to make a lot of jokes and poke fun at friends, but I’m always sure to get to know people well before doing so and to never take shots at sensitive spots.

The No Sympathy story LMAO. I know a few people who use DnD as an escape from the complexity of life, and I feel like OP had a hardcore case of that. Faced with the horrifying ordeal of NUANCE, they just had a meltdown. I hope they stuck to their villain in the end.

People say that being immortal sucks because you'll see everyone you love die and won't be able to open up to people. As if normal human relationships tend to actually last a full lifetime and people don't move on.

8:42 *"Oh come on! That doesn't even have an H!"* -Brian Griffin

No sympathy reminds me of the main villain of Arcanum: Of Steamworks & Magick Obscura. In that game the villain wants to end all life because existence is painful and there’s an objectively real afterlife that is free of suffering, so he wants to put the world out of its collective misery.

@emberfist8347

Ай бұрын

Which is still a terrible motivation. I mean you can't really excuse genocide.

@theemperormoth5089

Ай бұрын

@@emberfist8347 The pacifist option for dealing with the villain is passing a speech check to make him realize that what he wants for himself shouldn’t be imposed on everyone in Arcanum, not everyone in life is suffering and not every soul wants to stay dead.

2:01 DM: I've always viewed immortality as the worst curse one can have upon oneself Hob Gadling: Skill issue

I snort laughed at the "I quickly became homophobic" cut. But seriously, don't be homophobic, guys. Thats's cringe. Edit: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE SISTER?!

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

Sounded like the sister really wanted to spite the homosexual character while denying satisfying justice. The way she did it was still stupidly hypocritical and I'd recommend finding new superior players.

For OP of the No Sympathy story. Villains with simple motivations that aren't sympathetic are actually less like cartoons than more complex villains. Greed, Bigotry or anger are enough to drive many people do terrible things.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

True, but they may not always be as fun to write or play.

sympathetic villain - like, the player who stormed out could stay out tbh.

Reminds me of my own stories involving a GM that was… problematic.

Théoden is Eówyn's uncle. He raised her like a father, but yeah. Funny skit, though. Also, the *what* mythos?

5:26 One of my favorite villains in fiction is Grand Admiral Thrawn from the Star Wars Legacy EU. He's absolutely not sympathetic one bit. But what he is, is *INTERESTING.*

I'm a simple viewer. If I see "D&D" in the title, I click "Do not recommend." Crispy, you are just about the ONLY channel who gets an exception to that, EVER, because I like you. But when I see "RPG" in there instead of hasbro gaming... I watch.

The fact that the sister not only did THAT, but was emotionally manipulative and abusive when the other sibling tried to set a boundary about it says some REALLY fucked up things about them. Either they faced some SERIOUS trauma, or they are a TERRIBLE person. Either way, if I was OP, I'd distance myself from this sister and let them know outright just HOW fucked up what they suggested was and tell her she NEEDS to see a therapist. After that, I'd just go no contact for a while for my own mental health. I know that easier said than done, but I've done it with my own sister, and it actually helped out our relationship a ton because the next time I saw her, she was a LOT gentler with me, and generally not abusive anymore. She's been doing even better since seeing a therapist. Sometimes the only way to get a sibling to see just how much their behaviors affected you is to just go without them for a bit. It doesn't always work, but it does help YOU for sure!

5:26 I see you're a man of culture

My god, I just can’t even with those examples. People who insist on such “humor” or extreme topics in a RPG need freaking therapy big time

For that first story, he just needs to take five looks at that "Cool motive, still murder" meme from Brooklyn 99.

S,A, and torture are on my hard no list. If they come up in game, I'm gone.

Nah bro after hearing the last story, op should considered cutting out her toxic sister. Something tell me that her homophobic side is legit showing what her true character is always been. Believe what they show you and leave.

honestly I'd be fucking worried over the kid of that CoC DM, that's rather goulish.

I would bet good money that the "your villain character is terrible" guy is an anti-woke media critic. People who get unreasonably angry when stories are told in a way they don't like and doesn't specially cater to their tastes. Instead of calmly accepting that not everything that exists will be for them, they make their denial everyone else's problem. On a side note, reading the line "normal for CoC", and not laughing must have taken will power.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

I was guessing the "No Sympathy" problem player may have had a bad reaction to hearing the topic of "self deletion". Still could have handled it better than cursing out the DM while only saying it's because it wrecks a power fantasy.

@emberfist8347

Ай бұрын

You are pointing at something that isn't there. After all we don't know the whole story and knowing about bad writing the sympathic backstory was tacked on after the villain did something irredeemable.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

@@emberfist8347 We don't know whether or not the villain was just a generic BBEG who had tragedy tacked on at the last minute. Feels like people assume the complaining player was disagreeing on how sympathetic the BBEG is rather than being mad there was any attempt at sympathy.

@Chaosqueenngami

Ай бұрын

@@emberfist8347 Sure I'm making assumptions based off of observed behavior of other people who act the same way for the same reasons. But does knowing the whole story make that guy's response justifiable or acceptable? Is having a tantrum and ruining everyone else's night the appropriate response to hearing something you don't like? Sometimes the whole story is just that someone is being an asshole. Maybe that guy was the simplistic villain he was looking for all along.

So the No Sympathy villain is Salem from RWBY.

He runs WHAT???

The giveaway that it's a good story: This isn't as bad as the other stories you've read... 😂

I actually had similar idea as a villain for the No Sympathy story. The players are all the gallant, talk this out, save their rage for only the truly monstrous, sort of party. Well, what's the best anti-thesis for that, someone who can't be killed, can't be talked down, and most importantly, can't be saved. A piteous wreck who was the one that killed their entire civilization by making such a Faustian bargain. I even worked sympathy into their powers, binding themselves to other people so he and they share damage, he gets up after a while, they do not. Seeing this reaction, is really a bit weird. I tend to really like characters with complex motivations and non-standard approaches to good and evil. But at least I'm prepared now for how badly someone could take it.

The Lotus Casino was done best in the books, I think. The one from the movie wasn’t that great, and I’ve never seen the show

@CrispysTavern

Ай бұрын

The book's version still holds up. Haven't read Percy Jackson since it came out, but the chapter still hits as an adult.

@brianvance1178

Ай бұрын

@@CrispysTavern bro, I own the entire PJO series of books and the HoO sequel series, it’s some pretty lit stuff. I even have a few of the Magnus Chase books, and the first one of those was pretty awesome too. The second book of that series even introduced a gender-fluid child of Loki, which is an interesting trait really, and it’s done pretty well, and also because in mythology Loki is known for shape shifting, sometimes into animals and sometimes just swapping sexes on the fly

I'm working on building up a villain that's a fallen hero. He's comvinced himself that he's still working for the greater good and could be argued to be, even if he's going about it the wrong way. I want the conflict to be between whether the ends justify the means or if he's deluding himself in pursuit of power. I only just introduced my party to the idea of a BBEG working behind the scenes a few days ago so the payoff is a long way away

Love how the Antagonists reasoning and Goal is literally just Aatrox from league of legends

@Hucksterjoe

Ай бұрын

yeah i noticed that too lol

just quick correction, it irked me - the GM of CoC is called Keeper, which is short for Keeper of arcane lore. but no one says "lorekeeper". and yeah, obviously he was a a bad one. besides the obvious, he did apparently not even understood the game and the "stories" sound nothing like CoC. and the books tell you plenty of the 20s btw. planes were a thing, just commercial ones slowly started to become a thing around '30.

I also forgot about the age from the start and really thought it's some teen bullshit and uhh... OP.... you gotta talk to your sister about it... it's easy to say to "cut randoms from your life" but with your family you can put some work in and maybe you can potentially reach her. Cause that's crazy asf, imagine a person like this around your kids, or around her own kids, that's dangerous

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

I'd argue for an intervention with more family, but that'd risk them turning on OP for playing homosexuals as something okay (assuming they taught sister her homophobia).

someone please clip the "foop me in the a$$ or else" bit. That slaughtered me

Just so you know, Argentina had commercial flights since 1928, but flights at that time were extremely expensive no matter where you lived. Think of private jets kind of expensive.

A concerning sister.

that last story is just... what?

4:12 Maybe suicidal ideation is a touchy subject for him and the anger is secondary to something else.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

That's definitely a possibility, though it could have been handled better by the player.

11:20 My same reaction.

You called the FBI ON ME!? hahahaha best.

warcraft 3 i had sympathy for sylvanas maybe even as far as about wrath sylvanaas post wrath that sympathy dries up and its completely gone when she kills Saurfang the Elder

A concerning sister

In the story, right after the intro, the guy who stormed out, because the big bad evil guy was sympathetic, just came across to me as extremely entitled. It’s like if you’re reading a book, and it ends on a twist you didn’t like, you can rage quit if you want… But stories aren’t always going to go your way, and everyone it will disagree on what the appropriate ending should be in a popular series. Like if someone loves a book, and then wants to scream at the author for ruining the ending, well, then just don’t read it. It’s not your book. Goodbye.

A concerning sister...

11:47 as a local argentino it happens pasa a menudo sobretodo de noche pero no en capital unless it's on the province part of it

@camiloperezluque1574

Ай бұрын

Guedeci vos xq vivirás refugiado en algún lugarcito de Palermo pero en capital pasa todo el tiempo. Por bajo flores, la estación de once, villa soldati, la boca y así.

a concerning sister

I'm honestly pretty shocked by this episode. The mayor thing is super fucked up.

Oh wow…hmmm yeah the lore keeper can just fall into the abyss now

A concerning sister. 😅

CoC Mythos

If that's how Stan wants to run his games, fine. In a mature content system, fine. But he HAS to employ safety tools and actually TELL his players what wants to include, otherwise its negligent, irresponsible and disrespectful. Which tells me that Stan just wants to have power over other people, same as other predators.

Intro wasn't so bad, at least

Oh shit, hey Crispy.

Imagine getting mad because the villain is complex.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

Sounded like a tragic villain either ruined a power fantasy or possibly offended someone against "self deletion" as a topic.

@emberfist8347

Ай бұрын

More like a failed attempt to be complex.

@ArcCaravan

Ай бұрын

@@emberfist8347 Was complex enough to get that player whining about sympathetic villains ever existing. Being better written wouldn't have prevented the raging response.

@M_Alexander

Ай бұрын

@@emberfist8347 I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of it. That or you only like villains whose motivation is that they're evil

@emberfist8347

Ай бұрын

@@M_Alexander Nice strawman. I just dislike bad writing.

A CONCERNING SISTER ....

How to deal with an immortal villain who wants to die: Step one: defeat the villain. Step two: chop the villain into tiny pieces. Step 3: Place the villain pieces in Leomund's Secret Chest. Step four: Send the chest to the ethereal plane. Step five: Destroy the recall chest. Step six: Laugh maniacally, as the still immortal , villain is trapped (in pieces) in a chest that is irretrievably lost in the multiverse.

BASED PLAYER

IRL horrors are okay in horror games. It is a horror game after all. But you ABSOLUTELY should discuss these beforehand and don't throw giant spiders at arachnophobic player, unless they specifically mentioned they want to fight giant spiders for some internal reasons (like, yk, kill giant spiders with fire in a safe environment)

Never sit straight, Queer King

the cocc mythos

The concept of immortality as a curse is nonsense. Yeah, you are going to loose loved ones and drift away from others. But the important question is: how is that any different from normal mortal life? You lose people, you grieve for a time and eventually move on, you make new connections and likely lose again. The only thing immortality changes is that you can keep going in the cycle, be able to learn, create and meet new people, forever. It is a matter of perspective. Immortality is not a curse, unless the immortal makes it one themselves. In which case they don't need to die, they need therapy. All right, once all other intelligent life has died and you are looking at an eternity of boredom, then immortality could be a curse.