This and That: 2023 World Figure Skating Championships Preview & Russian Show Program Competition
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This week, the top skaters in the world head to Japan for the 2023 World Figure Skating Championships. We break down all of the events and predict whether Kaori Sakamoto, Mai Mihara or Loena Hendrickx will win gold. We analyze the chances of Shoma Uno, Ilia Malinin and Jason Brown. Then, we debate whether Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier will be able to defend their title against Riku Miura and Ryuichi Kihara, and whether Madison Chock and Evan Bates or Piper Gilles and Paul Poirier will finally win worlds. Plus, we break down the fever dream that was the Russian show program competition and break down our feelings on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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Hi Dave! I love your channel so much. I became a figure skating fan about 3 years ago and around the same time I came to the US as an international student. At the beginning I could understand about 60% of what you are saying partially because I was relatively new to figure skating and partially because English is my second language. But now I understand everything in the video without the need for subtitles! Your channel not only provides information on figure skating that I’m fascinated about, it also improves my English! Thank you so much for doing this. I hope your channel will be more and more successful.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!
If the junior ice dance extended lift thing is true, it's actually so upsetting for the british team. It may not matter for a big fed like Canada but here in the UK funding for sports is directly related to winning medals, and a WORLD medal in figure skating for GB could have significantly contributed to an increase in funding for our skaters :( It doesn't just affect Phebe and James but all our other young skaters who have so much potential (see Ash & Atl) but are restricted from getting there because of money.
Thank you Dave and Jonathan, love your discussion as always!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I just want gold for Piper/Paul and any medal for Jason, Deanna/Max and a Korean single skater. That would make a perfect World Championships for me this year.
@marycoyne1889
Жыл бұрын
Jason for silver or gold !!!!
At the Russian Championships 2023 in the women's singles in the short program, four 3A jumps were performed, in the free program three 3A, six 4T and one 4S, a total of 14 ultra-c jumps
Julie Marcotte is already a choreographer of World Champions with Duhamel and Radford. I hear you and agree we’ve seen seemingly the program to the same music over and over. I wish Bruno’s teams would mix it up.
I so agree with you on Alexa and Brandon! This timing, the situation with Todd Sand is so drama filled. I am so emotionally activated by this situation!
Yes, Dave! I felt the same. Jonathan is cheering for the Japanese 😂 Thank you both for the show! ❤
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I agree 1996 Worlds was dreamy! So dreamy in fact I have relived it on KZread at least every year for the past decade. 😆
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I am for Madison and Evan ALL of the way..for so many reasons..
Lu Chen vs. Michelle at 1996 Worlds is my moment of the week.
Kimmy Repond for a bronze medal ? Did Dave hit himself on his head recently? She finished 7th in Junior Worlds and has only scored over 190 once. A score of over 200 is a requirement for a podium spot with this field. There are three Japanese girls, three Koreans, two Americans, Loena and Anastasiia, all capable of scoring over this threshold. I think she has the potential to sneak into top 8 status. Personally, I think she gets underscored. But, a podium spot? Really?
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
It was more of a claim that others have been very inconsistent lately. I don't know that I see Loena or isabeau on the podium,. I haven't thought about the bronze too much.
Just so you know, not all Canadian fans enjoy how cheesy some of our media can be at times. It can also make me want to vomit 😂❤🤮
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I'm hoping Deanna and Max come through. Great show as always, Dave! 🤗
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I actually loved the guy that did the zagitova, liza flight attendant show program. 😂 he really went for it, including the tutu and I loved that. He was the real queen of that show.
Praying for Jason!!!!♥️♥️♥️
2023 WORLD CHAMPION JASON BROWN!!!!!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
🙏🙏
@SonOfAGun1814
Жыл бұрын
@Kathy Kojimoto WHO?!
Noooooooo Dave, Not Kimmy in 3rd! Those teeny weeny jumps....no, no, no
@strawberrylime33
Жыл бұрын
I don't think she'll get the points. Based on how she was scored at Jr world, and the fact that she's never scored in the high 60s for her sp, it'll be too tough. I like her, though.
Chock and Bates have the momentum. The Canadians have not competed since last December
I am with Dave on bringing Greene & Parsons 22 free dance. PLEASE DEAR GOD.
I think there's some kind of protocol re:calling another team being misscored. Didn't Bobrova/Soloviev pull this on Cappellini/Lanote at Europeans years ago? The Italians led after the short but the Russians watched them all year get sloppy and waited for them to hold this kind of freeform lifting section too long and got them called on an illegal lift? There was a deduction or something and the Russians ended up leading after the short.
34:47 Whaaaaaaat?!? I had no idea. Poor Bekker & Hernandez.
Zhenyas personality will always shine through ❤
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Does anyone know if Peacock will be only be showing live ISU worlds or will have recordings too?
@GayleFalkenthal
Жыл бұрын
Peacock announced it will make recordings available for 48 hours after competition concludes. Yay!!
I hope ice dance brings drama. although I’m rooting for Chock and Bates to edge out the win.
Yagudin was really good I have to admit I was there. It was like a spectacle but when he did a triple everybody freaked out, it was so exiting. Crowd reaction was really loud on him and then on Medvedeva (she gave us small task to sing and light up the phones so everybody felt included it was cute). Vetlugin was robbed.
@darthvader8810
Жыл бұрын
Trankov has great body for 39 y.o good for him
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
Medvedeva is a shame, my gold was stolen....5 years ago
@darthvader8810
Жыл бұрын
@@butterfly6546 now she is mad about this competition results (the marks for her weren’t the highest)
@martaszczesiak6606
Жыл бұрын
I'm Medvedeva's fan but I have to admit this was a disappointment.
@darthvader8810
Жыл бұрын
@@martaszczesiak6606 I had opposite situation. I don’t like Yagudin (I mean personality) but had to join standing ovations 🤪
Fascinating analysis, except why would it be unfortunate (37:46) for the Italians to get on the ice dance podium now and stay around until 2026? Wouldn’t it be good news for the sport for the hosts to have a team in contention at Milan?
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
That depends if you find them to be imaginative and engaging or not.
Jonathan re Sin/Kats: "I don't think I've ever seen anyone wear a mask in a Russian arena." MEOW.
@user-pz5yx4pb3e
Жыл бұрын
Жулин пояснил, что это была аллегория хирургической операции. Типа, водолазы нашли Муму и вот Герасим, пробравшись в морг, пытается её реанимировать. В процессе чего пары формалина вызывают у него различные слуховые и зрительные галлюцинации.
@DeserveGold
Жыл бұрын
@@user-pz5yx4pb3e спасли муму? или она в итоге превратилась в анну каренину?
@user-pz5yx4pb3e
Жыл бұрын
@@DeserveGold Муму дышит, двигается и даже издаёт звуки (напоминающие, как говорят, пение Zivert). Но мозг, увы, спасти не удалось.
@user-mj3uc7de4b
Жыл бұрын
@@user-pz5yx4pb3e Мозга у МЖ никогда не было.
@olgasmirnova4588
Жыл бұрын
Мозгов не было у АЗ.
Keegan CANNOT retire the year before Montreal worlds! Just NO😂😢
So, what IS the (real) story behind Isabeau's mysterious disappearing act?
@cyntmacz
Жыл бұрын
Is there even a story? That is the real question. I have been in Colorado twice in my life and I got sick both times. I was in Denver once and CS once. I also had a wicked nose bleed one time. It was cold but the elevation- ugh. How is she all of a sudden a head case? What implosion are they referring to? Where did they get that? Is it some type of insider thing? I have my doubts at this point. Her last short program was decent and she did not fall apart after it. No one is expecting the Americans to do much of anything at worlds. Where is the opinion on Amber? They skipped right over it.
Wait: I need to change my moment of the week. Nicole Bobek in Lausanne but certainly Nicole in anything she did in figure skating! And Nicole’s Czech mother shaking her head in mild disgust at 1996 Nationals.
One day when you have nothing to do..LOL..pull up skating scores..4 continents 2022 men's sp..and tell me what you see..then pull up Nebelhorn FS this yr and look at the identities of the 2 judges who lowballed Kazuki in steps and choreo sequence and figure out why and for whom..
I don’t think Kimmy Repond can get the GOE’s w her very small jumps to make the podium
David and Jonathan any of you watch the gymnastics winter cup with the men and women? It was so refreshing hear sam and Jonathan and not Tim dagget
I've found the ladies field to be much more enjoyable this year! Kaori has two of my favorite programs ever with amazing goe & choreography, Loena is delivering a fun short program & is kicking the ice, Rika, Bradie & Mai coming back after disappointments last season, the rise of Isabeau, etc. Beyond Anna, Sasha, Alena & Liza, there weren't many personalities in the Russian ladies field that stood out to me, and I'm guessing that Liza would have been the only one competing internationally this season. Also, it's really interesting to see the mens field sort itself out -- I think it's very solid for the first year of the quad, with a ton of skaters who might medal. Pairs is certainly lacking without the Russians & Chinese, but I do love the skating skills of the Japanese (even if I am praying that they'll work with another choreographer next year). Lots of teams stuck around in dance, so it sort of feels like a half baked version of last quad, but the juniors have been amazing. Lajoie/Lagha, Kaganovskaya/Angelopol & Green/Parsons all really stood out to me as future stars last season, but have had different circumstances that have kept them from international relevance this season.
@joeyartk
Жыл бұрын
How does Kaori get such high GOE on her lutz and flip with such bad technique on her takeoffs(pre-rotation & flawed pick, plus wrong edge on lutz )? She has many strengths, but overlooking her weaknesses takes away from the competition.
@evanperilstein5308
Жыл бұрын
@@joeyartk The Russian girls got GOE that was just as high, if not higher, for jumps using similar technique that were smaller with less speed and flow in and out.
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
@@evanperilstein5308 yes, the Russians can too.....😂
@joeyartk
Жыл бұрын
@@evanperilstein5308Yes, they were just as bad as Kaori, why dont I hear all the complaints now that I did then? At least they were attempting quads and 3As. Kaori has some of the least challenging content, but relies on friendly judging of her flawed/cheated jumps.
@flywings111
Жыл бұрын
@@joeyartk She is not a villain like the Russians in the eyes of the propagandists, even if she admitted not long ago that her flutz isn't called and that she is overscored.
Dear Dave and Jonathan, what do you think about the show program of Kaganovskaya and Angelopol this Sunday on Russian Challenge?
I know Americans get a lot of crap about “America is the greatest country on earth“. And I hear that, I accept that, I do not dispute how obnoxious that is. But I just have to say, Canadians are really into being Canadians! Say what you will about us, but I do not remember Meryl Davis and Charlie White receiving an award like the one Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir received. Do they do that every year? Does anyone remember that Canadian awards show that was just like the Oscars with nominees for different achievement in different categories of Canadian greatness? I’m not hating, I just think it’s interesting. I hope they can get their politics right in order to pull off two medals at this world championships! 🍁 🇨🇦
@melissawhite218
Жыл бұрын
I agree! I love how much we celebrate our athletes!
@rachelgates509
Жыл бұрын
Sure, it’s cool. But what I saw wasn’t just celebrating athletes, it was everything. Doctors, scientists, teachers,etc. an awards show like the Oscar’s but for normal Canadian people, not the movies.
Todd has been transported back to a CA hospital from Calgary.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Young You isn’t here! You mean Yelim Kim and you like her short program! I was laughing with you both
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I will not stand for Tonia Kwiatkowski slander on this channel. Her Black Cat and Marilyn programs are iconic and stand the test of time in the pantheon of professional skating 🙃
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
😂😂
There is not enough ISU money to pay for Yuzu to come back, they would go bankrupt lol. Can you imagine how much money he makes from his Prologue, GIFT and notte stellata shows, his Sekkisei and other endorsements and projects? Yeah, ISU could never. Besides, they had Yuzu until last year and in the past years they did everything to underscore him and make sure he turns his back to amateur skating. If they couldn't respect him when he was competing, would they respect him if he came back? Of course not. They would use him to prop up the new shiny US jumper and JSF would also continue to support only their darlings, Shoma or if Kagiyama returns, him. In the meantime, his fans are enjoying his incredibly high quality shows where he skates to 12 programs in 2 hours, or watch his KZread videos where he shows he still can skate to 5-quad programs including 4Lo, and have a good laugh about half empty competition arenas or shows where organisers can't even fill up a small arena with Chen, Uno or Kagiyama performing there (The Ice, last summer, to give you an example).
@bobuddy3513
Жыл бұрын
I pray every day he doesn't come back. My worst nightmare. Please enjoy him at your ice shows and keep him away from competition. He retired a year too late and was already past his prime. The absence of the Russians is a huge factor this season, along with the multiple retirements.
@elisabethanderson7124
Жыл бұрын
Yuzuru is great, but he was never underscored! And few skaters have received so much respect as he has. The reason he was second to Nathan for several years was simply that Nathan was better (at least technically), not that Yuzuru was ever underscored.
@flywings111
Жыл бұрын
@@bobuddy3513 You have a lot of free time if you pray every day for such a thing.😂 He still isn't past his prime, if he is able to skate to 12 programs in a one man show in the quality he does and jumps quads including 4Lo left and right. But it was his decision to move on which is completely understandable. The Russians are a big factor, and Yuzu, of course, but not other retirements.
@flywings111
Жыл бұрын
@@elisabethanderson7124 He was underscored many times and Nathan heavily overscored which was crystal clear over the years. Yuzu mentioned he felt he wasn't needed anymore and even his skating got better since 2015 this wasn't shown in the scores. He probably knows better than you. They tried everything to push him out of the sport and they succeeded.
@bobuddy3513
Жыл бұрын
I have a long prayer list. He gets 10 seconds of it.
I am rooting for Alexa and Brandon w every fiber of my being..and I like the Japanese team..a lot..I think Todd and Jenni are terrific ..and I want A/B to win for them..and if Alexa is retiring..let her go out w a win..No apologies from me..
Matvei Vetlugin 😱😂
I just hope Paul doesn’t show up with frosted tips. What’s next bronzer and two polo collars quaffed up?? An Ed Hardy costume??
So I’m not sure why, but i have the feeling that the CanaDanes are going to be world champions.
The Word champion is start this week??
Zhulin said that in S/K number Nikita is a doctor and Vika is a soul of a patient in a coma. In the end, Vika returns to the body and patient comes back to her senses. Happy End!
OMG Dave I have been FUMING since JW with the Dance Judging. Please put your video out ASAP. I didn't dispute James held the Lift too long but that they got far too low PCS when it was the cleanest and most Artistic FD of the night. Jonathan it's obvious you've never even watched them yet you claim to love Artistic skating. Dave please do a video about InfrontSports who manage ISU Media output. They block every video now, even the 37th ranked British girl's SP but they don't put up a video of it. You have to search the livestream. And they wonder why Competition Skating has only diehard fans watching. More British folk saw Olivia Smart win Dancing on Ice than skate at Olympics. This week InfrontSports even put a block on my video of James & Phebe FD from British Championships claiming it is ISU copyright! Please expose these vile killers of the sport we love. I wrote to Ted during JW, he told me to email ISU Media. I tried but no reply. They care zero about fans.
@ddjr6673
Жыл бұрын
💯 agree - it is so depressing here in the UK to have to really search for *any* form of figure skating to build from the bottom up - we are *not* a well funded federation La Rhumba’s channel has been a life line to see *anything* British related.
In Dance I’m team Piper and Paul. I love their FD.
For ice dance, I would like Papadakis/Cizeron to come back next year. I miss them
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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@pg5470
Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling they will. They think they deserve double Olympic gold and will try to get it
@christinethorp3684
Жыл бұрын
@@pg5470 They ABSOLUTELY deserve double Olympic gold! They are the GOATs of ice dance.
@pg5470
Жыл бұрын
@@christinethorp3684 I agree!
@audra9166
Жыл бұрын
I think they’ll be back. If the worlds in Montreal had not been cancelled due to Covid, maybe not. But they love Montreal and want to skate for worlds there. God, I miss them.
Ganbare, Kazuki!!!!🥰🦇
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Okay where can I watch this Russian pro thing
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
This channel. m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/e4GMq8alpdrMlag.html
@ScoutFinch713
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson thanks Dave!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
@@ScoutFinch713
Jonathan rooting for Yelim to win the bronze is so predictable, kinda sweet, endearing and definitely wrong. ♥️🙏🏻✨
Chock & Bates are the best in the field!!! I’m hoping they win gold. 🥇🥇👍🇺🇸
I literally was just zipping thru that Russian show program thing, it was extra. Radionova was enjoyable doing Shakira and always like seeing Zhenya. Zagitova as Marilyn was cringey. I am looking forward to Worlds despite lots of names missing.
I think people are confusing the absence of all the retired skaters with the absence of the Russian skaters. It just so happens that both occurred simultaneously.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
I am not confused.
@Iwatchstuff1000
Жыл бұрын
Dance & men’s is retirements more than Russian absence, but ladies & pairs is down to the Russian ban
@Jeremy-wp4yh
Жыл бұрын
@@Iwatchstuff1000 I think the ISU is to blame for ladies. They've pushed the Russians above other talented skaters. And now they're rewarding those skaters they've neglected for years. But many have already retired.
@JoshuaFazeli
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Dave, you are a Pisces and never confused ♥️😂💪🏼🙏🏻
The ISU will never do something like the Russian show program because 1) it cost money 2)so many of the current competing skaters lack personality (or at least they don’t show it in their skating). Maybe if they do it retired skaters only (basically pro skating) it could work
Pls can you make merch with Johnathans quote “i’m that bi*ch from new york” 😂
Aljona and Robin won 5 World titles
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
Lets be real and honest - Jonathan is rooting for the Japanese ;)
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I thought Petr gumennik music choice must have been triggering to poor kamilla cuz the whole time I was thinking of her disastrous performance at the Olympics
I thought Anna S. show program was boring as heck. Can't she do anything other than the same lyrical programs? She literally uses the same 3 faces
@natesanti
10 ай бұрын
just fast forward 🙄 others, like me, actually enjoy her programs.
Kind of hoping Gilles and Poirier have a Papadakis/Cizeron moment circa 2016 where they were absent most of the season but ended up winning worlds at Boston! Apparently they have been training but just not competing since surgery. Fingers crossed.
@davidillouz7216
Жыл бұрын
Gilles and Poirier only missed one international event and their programs are way better than chock and bates
@3l3llala13
Жыл бұрын
@@davidillouz7216 According to you.
@twinkleplansx
Жыл бұрын
@@davidillouz7216 they also missed Nationals. They haven't competed since GPF and they are nowhere near Papadakis/Cizeron's level and one also have to remember that their training mates were also unbeaten but at jr worlds, their training mates weren't able to win the title. And because they haven't competed since GPF days, no one really knows if the judges would still love their program or prop them up.
@starsmoon0216
Жыл бұрын
Gilles & Poitier are not even close to Chock & Bates. What world are you in???
@davidillouz7216
Жыл бұрын
@@starsmoon0216 lol what
23:14 and 23:44 I am just saying.
Hi, I haven't been keeping up with the zagitova/medvedeva thing, is there really a media push to show alina as a "dunce" or the "dumb model who should shut up" ? I thought she had lots of fans. Why is the media on zhenya's side after calling her a traitor? Does the majority just see zhenya as the talent, the charisma, the star? I'm so confused. Please explain!
@elzakun
Жыл бұрын
It's not really a media push, she's just been doing a lot, a some of it was really cringey so it makes clickbaity headlines easy and all those websites need something to post. She still has a lot of fans who worship anything she does and will probably continue with her tv project cause somebody must love her at that tv channel. Zhenya seems to be better with media and the way she presents herself, at least to my personal taste, more sense of humour about the project she does, but still a lot of people ready to pick her apart for anything.
@user-mj3uc7de4b
Жыл бұрын
Majority In Mother - Russia doesn't see any charisma or talent by Medvedeva, actually she is not interesting, no possible to sold tickets at the ice show with Medvedeva and no one count Medvedeva than she is a star. Star In Mother Russia Alina. . Alina 1000 times more popular. Tickets everytime sold out, Best TV host, media written everyday about her....
I'm going to be lighting every candle for Kaori this week. I've been rooting for her all season and I know she's capable and ready. I do worry about the nerves, however, especially with this being a home worlds for her and she'll be defending her title. I also think it'd be good for the sport to have a back-to-back women's world champion. We haven't had one in a while. For the men I feel confident in Shoma's ability to deliver now more than ever. I think his free skate is stunning. I'm also looking forward to Jun-hwan, Kazuki, and Adam but more than anything I'm so so excited to see Jason. It really is the impossible dream to see him stand on the podium. Having Tracy tell Jason what a beautiful skater he is once he gets off the ice is always a highlight. For dance I feel like the judges may go with Chock & Bates but I'm rooting for Piper & Paul a bit more, I prefer their FD. Haven't paid a lot of attention to the pairs but I think Alexa and Brandon got this in the bag. What a strange season this has been but watching this has me excited for worlds!!
Jonathan - they will hold it together, you must BELIEVE!!! 📣📣📣Go Alexa & B :)
35:00 I knew the British were robbed!!!!!!
Anna was a cutie pie 🥰
Choc and Bates for the Gold.❤
Blades of Glory Marilyn anyone?
If Zhenya is on the ice & skating, it’s always going to be special. Her Silver in the Olympics was a disgrace to the Art of figure skating. Stacking jumps goes against everything that makes FS beautiful & an art. Evegenia Medvedeva is in a class by herself. Her landings were so lite, like a butterfly. Zagitova was super athletic & she’s very beautiful, but she doesn’t have the complete package. Funny that I see more advertisements with Evegenia than Alaina, but that’s probably algorithms. Both girls hit home runs financially & I hope they both skate for many years. I really like ice dance too. It’s all personality & 10% athletic. Must be really smart & so precise to pull it off.
@evanperilstein5308
Жыл бұрын
Medvedeva’s landings were light at the Olympics??? Were we watching the same skater? She wasn’t fully recovered from a serious injury. She did everything, but her landings were very heavy and she muscled the jumps even more than she usually did. Those were low GOE jumps and spins. Everything looked like work.
@olgasmirnova4588
Жыл бұрын
And now, because of her injury, Zhenya immediately became a bad figure skater ?! We say you can't waste talent! So, at the Olympic Games, she showed class, even with a broken foot and a sore back!
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
look again at Medvedeva's jumps they were heavy
So Kamila Valieva's program was about the Sami people, and being a Sami shaman. (Not sure why she was making it rain though.) That show...sooo much amazing schlock! Bring it on, Worlds. Should be a good one!
@KamilaValieva-fan
Жыл бұрын
As a Shaman, Kamila prayed for the rain to save people from the drought
@aliecatze4922
Жыл бұрын
@@KamilaValieva-fan While standing on a couple of inches of frozen water. hmm.
@user-ym5ep7kr4t
Жыл бұрын
@alie catze there was a projection of a desert on the ice in the beginning.
It’s ok Jonathan we’re both rooting for the Japanese pair team. Better than that pretentious program from Alexa and Brandon ☕️
Is Isabeau competin?
@laurenklaric-re7my
Жыл бұрын
Competing?
@andreagoldstein4070
Жыл бұрын
Yes, she is on the team and hasn't withdrawn.
@wotanworld5504
Жыл бұрын
@@andreagoldstein4070 yet!
@cyntmacz
Жыл бұрын
@@wotanworld5504 What happened? They were talking about Amber and then switched to Isabeau without mentioning her name. An implosion? That seems very extreme. What are they thinking about?
LOL guys!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Russian Show Program will end up being 10x more fun and entertaining than Worlds. I laughed, I cried, I cringed - Bless those Russians.
@wotanworld5504
Жыл бұрын
The event didn't even happen yet. What is wrong with you?
@Jeremy-wp4yh
Жыл бұрын
If the Russians never had regular competitions this might be true. But they've had the same competitions against the same skaters with the same people on the podium. I doubt it would be interesting. For this reason theyre doing a "show".
@janvdb9258
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Yes support the dopers...wonderful disposition
@ingai7014
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😂:stop whining:nobody missing orcs
@Atur27
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@@ingai7014 Dave himself said he missed them, and Jonathan agreed 😉
Anna Sherb had a strange fall right as she came onto the ice for her performance at the show 😅
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
She did!
These two obviously do not want Alexa and Brandon to do well. For thou dost protest too much. I am for A&B 100%. No apologies ftom me either. I love their programs .
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
I clearly said I thought they were going to win…
At 19:44, the real answer is skating is boring now. I said two years ago that when Nathan Chen went back to school, the leftover men would go back to skating 2-3 quads in a LP with most of them toe loops and sals. The average men's total score would drop about 35 points to the low 280's with lots of falls, and that's what has happened. The men are skating like it's 2008 again. With the Russian ladies gone, the women are skating like it's 1998 again. Skaters who would never have made the podium are now winning gold medals on the Grand Prix circuit. Since Nathan went back to school, only Ilia has skated 5 clean quads in a LP once. With Nathan back to school, Hanyu retired and no rivalry happening between them, the Russians banned from competition, Kagiyama (who was supposed to create a new rivalry with Ilia) out with injury, and Papadakis & Cizeron gone and likely retiring, virtually ALL the energy was sucked out of figure skating at the end of the 21-22 season. At no other time in my decades of watching have I seen such an immense amount of talent leave the sport all at once. As such, I've had little interest in watching this year. Ilia should be much improved next year after his freshmen season this year. With Kagiyama back, those two should inject some real excitement into the sport as the next big rivalry. Regardless of how anyone feels about Russian politics, figure skating is diminished without the Russians competing. Since they have the top skaters in all the disciplines except the men, their absence has been deeply felt this season, even if people don't want to openly admit. Skating is better with the Russians in it, and I hope they're back next year. They have as little control over what their government does as the rest of us do over our governments, so I hope the athletes that weren't involved in doping are allowed back next season. When they do come back, they're going straight to the top of ladies, pairs, and dance, and that should add additional energy to next season.
@helenaprout1061
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I don't know how many of TSL's videos you've seen, but they've covered the history of doping in Russia quite extensively. Tamara Moskvina openly admitted that athletes doped decades ago, but just not at competitions. Dr Shvetsky has been developing xenon gas, which is a hard-to-detect but banned PED. Tuktamysheva admitted taking meldonium when it was legal, and Bobrova tested positive for it when it was banned (administered by Shvetsky). That's just the start of it- there is extensive evidence that many, if not all Russian athletes are doped up. Its not like other nations, where the individuals make a choice to break the rules. In Russia (as well as other dictatorships like it), the decision to cheat is made from the top, as it's a point of national pride that they have to win, no matter what. What I'm trying to say is, it's unlikely that any Russian athletes are truly clean (as in have never taken an illegal PED). The doctors are incredibly sophisticated at calculating washout periods- what happened with Valieva was a one-off error because they miscalculated.
@noran7809
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What a smart comment, @L1623VP ! 🤍
@L1623VP
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@@noran7809 Thanks!
If we swap out Kamila’s trimetazidine laced water for an Ayahuasca smoothie, we may be able to manifest 96 worlds!
Daniel Szemko was stabbed in the metro in Moscow and according to an interview he gave to a newspaper, he doesn't know what was happening around him, but the metro was full of people when he suddenly felt his thigh hurt and noticed it was bleeding. He went to the hospital where he needed a few stitches. I read his mother's comment too before this interview was published, where she said the media blew up things, they wrote things that weren't true and the stab wasn't that bad. Szemko is Ukrainian from Odessa but he left the country already in 2014, it was at that time when Ukrainians killed and tortured Russians left and right in the city. He went to Hungary, he learnt the difficult language and became a citizen in 2017. His new partner is Russian, and they train with both Hungarian and Russian coaches. He said they focus on work, and competing and didn't mention they had any conflicts about the political situation. About Worlds he said he is a Hungarian terminator and whatever happens, he will go there even with one leg lol.
@evanperilstein5308
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I see that you have completely bought into Russian propaganda about Ukraine.
@flywings111
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@@evanperilstein5308 I live in the neighbourhood of Ukraine and I probably know a lot more about the situation then you who iirc lives in the US and has zero knowledge about what is happening here in Eastern Europe and you only believe what the US propaganda spoonfeeds you.
So no Leona and Isabou on the podium?
@alexac3098
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Leona, *maybe*, if she doesn't implode (this year's pressure has been waaaaaaay more than she's ever dealt with before). Isabeau? No way is she podiuming.
@cyntmacz
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@@alexac3098 She has as good as a chance as Leona but I am doubting the Americans are going to do much.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Not with how Isabeau has been practicing at home and laying on the ice.
Please ! Evelyn Grossman was worse as European champion 😂
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
She was a beautiful girl.
I don’t think piper and Paul can win with the lack of training
@davidillouz7216
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They said they have had uninterrupted training for 2 months, this whole appendectomy is overblown, sinkats had all sorts of health issues 2 years ago and they won easy
@skaterboy-cz9wj
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@@davidillouz7216 I hope so but with Chock and Bates and Team MF behind them I am not so sure. I really like their programs this year and I find CB kind of thrown together.
@davidillouz7216
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@@skaterboy-cz9wj Marie France could not beat the Czech team at world juniors a small fed, I think her power is overblown and she will politic hard for the canadanes too which could hurt chock and bates
The figure skating sport has become boring to watch, not only because of the retirement of the big characters, but because the performance score is being devalued and the technical aspect inflated. The score is based almost solely on the number of quads performed, and almost nonexistent choreography (minus perhaps the Japanese). With the system like this, a big chunk of the soul is out of the sport, there’s no WOW factor anymore. And obviously Hanyu took it with him, since tens of thousands are fighting for tickets to his shows and ISU not being able to fill up small skating arenas. It’s just not exciting to watch anymore, with the Japanese perhaps being the exception. Shoma and Kagyama may not have Hanyu’s personality, but they both can deliver beautiful skating. Hanyu is just on another level, being perhaps not only the best skater in the history of the sport, his skills as an artist,communicator and storyteller are exceptional. So, it’s perhaps no wonder it feels kind of soulless and empty right now.
Tbh there are skaters who are technical so more advanced and cleaner then the Russians but they all lack the big personality factor and that makes it boring …. :/
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Very true.
@evanperilstein5308
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I wouldn’t say most of the Russian girls have the big personality factor either.
@KiffiStinkt
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@@evanperilstein5308 the newer ones definetly Not
@SergejKrolik
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In women/girls categories? No. You can't compete with Russian ladies in TES without quads.
@rosie94204
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Technical content of the Russian women is of the highest level. I'm not interested in personalities!! It's a sport not a reality show!! The Russian pairs are highest quality Technically and artistically! I don't know what planet you're on! 😂!! Daft comment!!
If zagitova wouldn’t have won the gold and if there wouldn’t be this big confrontation Medvedeva vs Zagitova, she would have already been forgotten that’s for sure. No passion no emotion just calculated, robotic skating with no artistry … change my mind 😴
@Jeremy-wp4yh
Жыл бұрын
Disagree. Zagitova had the signature triple lutz triple loop which other skaters were not really doing. Not to mention the viral lutz and x5 loops that went viral at the Olympic training. Many people preferred her because shes a stronger jumper than evgenia
@KiffiStinkt
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@@Jeremy-wp4yh yes as I said if she wouldn’t have won against evgenia she would be irrelevant. There’s nothing But the cringe that makes her artistically special
@Jeremy-wp4yh
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@@KiffiStinkt she had strong programmes and a not so nice childhood that makes anybody support her hardwork. Figure skating doesn't have to be pantomime. That's all evgenia's programmes. I see they're making Kamilla do the same with her new programmes.
@KiffiStinkt
Жыл бұрын
@@Jeremy-wp4yh none of those girls had a nice childhood ( Eteri made sure of this 🤡) it’s not about pantomime it’s about expressiveness, artistically, musicality and so on (Alina didn’t beat zhenya in PCs btw). Now the technique of both is failing and not there anymore and what stays is the artistic aspects. That’s why Alina is lacking so hard rn. I mean just watch her monroe program 🥴
@Jeremy-wp4yh
Жыл бұрын
@@KiffiStinkt ofcourse alina cannot skate now. But she's better off than evgenia with the permanent spinal injury. And she's got her Olympic Gold
she is a lot and he is less - could be any AS pairing ever
@wotanworld5504
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There is room for the third pair next year and they don't have a decent pair to send, so Aliona and RObin thought they could rekindle a little bit of the old flame. And that could open them doors to be invited on the lucrative shows etc. No one is fooled!
My dream podiums: 🥇Kaori 🥈Mai 🥉Leona and 🥇Adam 🥈Shoma 🥉Jun
This sport is circling the toilet bowl these days. :/
Does anyone know if Nikita / Victoria and Ivan Bukin / Stepanova retired lol. They didn’t compete at all in the fake Russian Competitions.
@veronicaweinstein5863
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All four were in this year’s season of Ice Age, so yes, their competitive careers are finished.
@nicnoodles
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@@veronicaweinstein5863 I read today that Bukin and Stepanova are changing coaches seems like they are still continuing. But Victoria and Nikita is probably who you meant anyhow lol
@nicnoodles
Жыл бұрын
Omg Stepanova had a baby! I didn’t even know she was pregnant. And she’s still returning to skate wow.
To me the news of the week was that Joshua Farris is choreographing the next free program for Sihyeong Lee who is def ready to get into the last group. Russians: I was impressed by Totmianina/Marinin who used to skate like robots during their competitive days and here they were just terrific. Shcherbakova, Akateva, Vetlugin and Kaganovskaia/Angelopol were good too. The rest of it was just a cringetown -- with the WTF moment of the day being the finale of the Volosozhar/Trankov number. Worlds: Women: 1. Hendrickx, 2. Sakamoto, 3. Tennell (audacious prediction I know, and while I like Yelim Kim the most, it is not her year. Mihara should be relegated back to juniors IMO!), Men: 1. Uno, 2. Siao Him Fa, 3. Malinin, although I'd like to see Messing, Aymoz, Brown and -Lee- Hwa in the mix. Ice dance: 1. Chock/Bates, 2. Gilles/Poirier, 3. Guignard/Fabbri... It's politics, and Chock/Bates are, I guess, calling it quits after the Worlds. The best programs and the most impressive this year were Fournier-Baudry/Sorensen, Lopareva/Brissaud and Turkkila/Versluis, but most of all I expect Mrazkova and Mrazek to storm the ice dance competitions next season. Pairs: 1. 2. 3. couldn't care less. It's stupid they didn't let the 2nd Italian pair compete. They could only make the competition more appealing...
@maryloureiff6489
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Lee is not going to Worlds..
@wotanworld5504
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@@maryloureiff6489 Ta! True. We'll see him skate next season and Joshua Farris next to him in K&C! :)
@maryloureiff6489
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@@wotanworld5504 Ben Agosto did his other program.
@wotanworld5504
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@@maryloureiff6489 That too is excellent news! Ta for that.
Yagudin who ?World number one Homophobe ?
Ok :tell me when its about World skating :not ruzzian