Timestamp (in progress) 0:27 Golden Spin - no replay, no video - Brief mention of Bradie, Danny/Ellie (his new partner), Camden 1:59 Sandra Bezic / Val Bezic and his wife Pam 8:31 Jonathan’s holiday party Women’s Events - 19:52 Women GPF - 20:34 Karoi Sakamoto - 23:18 Jonathan want Shoma has this SP - 24:49 back to Kaori - 26:28 Yelim Kim - 27:02 Loena Hendrickx - 27:19 KFS burning out their athletes - 27:36 Yuna Kim - 27:48 Yelim - 29:45 back to Loena - 35:50 back to Kaori - 38:00 Mai Mihara - 40:09 back to Yelim - 41:47 Isabeau - 41:56 interview with isabeau and her coach - Women - JGPF - 48:54 Mao Shimada - 49:20 Jia Shin - 51:08 back to Mao - 51:52 Rika Kihira might be dark horse in Japanese National - 52:12 side mention of Marin Honda Men’s Events - 52:38 Senior Men - 53:11 Ilia Malilin - 59:35 Shoma Uno - 1:04:43 side mention on Yuma Kagiyama - 1:05:45 Sota Yamamoto - 1:06:25 Junior Men - 1:06:27 Nikolaj Memola - 1:07:59 Lucas Broussard Dance’s Events - 1:08:21 Senior Dance - 1:09:04 Power of Referee - 1:09:50 Why Hawayek/Baker was judged in this event - 1:11:22 How judges judge in RD - 1:12:21 Fear/Gibson - 1:13:58 FD Judging - 1:14:09 back to Hawakey/Baker - 1:14:52 Fear/Gibson - 1:17:53 Chock/Bates - 1:19:17 Gilles/Poirier - 1:19:43 back to Chock/Bates FD - 1:22:28 Italian

@hsiu-chuanlee3800

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Thank you!

@bettybleu12

Жыл бұрын

Love it. Thanks!

@KL-pv7cl

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sooooo much. You are awesome

Moment of the week: the sign that said "Shoma what you got"

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@BethH992

Жыл бұрын

I also enjoyed "be still Mai heart"

@alexandraantonovitch428

Жыл бұрын

That made me giggle haha 😂

I agree with Dave: Shoma has a quality that distinguishes him from other skaters (and makes him at his best more exceptional than Nathan and Yuzu). While most skaters skate to music, Shoma's movements (and passion) give vividness to music to the extent that he literally brings music to life. He does what good musicians do!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

💯

@meganmorris5105

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you. Shoma becomes the instrument when he skates.

@kimNataly

Жыл бұрын

More exceptional than Nathan and Yuzu no. Sorty but no

@elisabethanderson7124

Жыл бұрын

@@kimNataly Agree. Shoma has been fantastic this season but he is nowhere near the level of Nathan or Yuzuru. Those two are exceptional and it may be many years before we see a skater who compares to them.

@kimNataly

Жыл бұрын

@@elisabethanderson7124 I totally agree

Shoma was just phenomenal! He is so special, for me even more exceptional than Yuzu and Nathan. When he moves on the ice, it's like he is creating the music. The Free is a masterpiece. But I do also enjoy the choreo in SP - the long twizzles in the step sequence are just fire 🔥

@karolinap4498

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the skating commentary AND the skating tea ☕ 😎

@jolandamelville3233

Жыл бұрын

Please no! Shoma don't have half on Nathan and Yuzu, bad jumps, stiff body, obviously he is the best in competition but don't compare with the FS greats

@Berpsi

Жыл бұрын

You need glasses, dear. Those jumps of his are just hideous.

@meganmorris5105

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I think Shoma could be on the same level as Nathan if he gets more consistent with his jumps. Shoma better artistically, and Nathan appears to be more of a contemporary skater.

@karolinap4498

Жыл бұрын

@@jolandamelville3233 true, Yuzu did have a bit of a stiff body and often looked down when he skated. But he was the most consistent for a while. He's skating was very powerful, and he won so many titles, so I get it why he's so popular. But the reason I prefer Shoma is that he's an artist, the honesty and raw feelings in his skating are unmatchable. The way he uses edges and hand movements 💕 The way his eyes sparkle, the way he carries this difficult classical music, superb.

I have always liked Shoma's skating over Yuzu's. Yuzu is a beautiful skater, to be sure, but he doesn't move me. He always came across to me as cool and smooth and calm, with very low key emotion. Shoma just has a spark inside of him. Whether he's trying to communicate having fun, or being sexy, or sad, I feel that it comes across. I'm so glad he's getting his time in the sun.

I am Team Nathan all the way but what you guys said about Shomo is spot on. His performance quality is on another level. I could happily watch him do an entire program of step sequence and crossovers and be content. And his arms are magnificent. He actually knows how to use them a la Michelle Kwan. ❤ (although that flip is a little dicey, as Dave says)

I loved loved Kaori's short program but was so sad to see things fall apart in the free. I really appreciate that she's trying something so different choreographically this season and I'm totally on board with her whole new thing this year. It's clearly been a challenge for her to put it all together in competition so far this season. It'll be difficult and I do worry about the pressure (being reigning world champion, olympic burnout, I also believe it's gonna be a home worlds for her this year) but idk I'm just praying to the skating gods that she can deliver when the time comes because I think it would be such an epic moment and she's capable of making it happen. And tbh she's just my favorite this year and I'm rooting for her lol. So thrilled for Shoma, his free skate is his best ever imo. I could watch him skate all day. Sad for the junior Czech ice dancers. They're so captivating and to see them fall not once but twice broke my heart. But they're so young and they have time to become more controlled and refined and I look forward to seeing them develop.

@Essylte

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I expected the Czech team to win, too, but hey, they have a year to go before seniors, and there is still Junior Worlds to win.

I think with Shoma, he just doesn't have the "idol" personality and therefore, he has less "extreme" fans. Add to it that he is currently alienating some of his most extreme Japanese fans by dating Marin officially, they really don't like that he went public about dating her (official website announcement) and did some ice shows together with her during the summer. For those extreme fans it's obvious when he's spending time with her and they really don't like that to the point of not wanting to support him by going to his shows or competitions anymore. He has strong sponsors in both Toyota and Mizuno, but they're pretty relaxed with him. Yeah he did some PR things for them (especially after Olys) but after the pandemic they are pretty chill. Shoma never... he doesn't have much grievances to have the type of fans who goes to "defend" and "fight" for him against injustice or some other evil shady things in FS. He doesn't complain much about his scores or some questionable UR calls. He's very selective of giving interviews when it's not in the context of competition (the Olympic Channel features seem to be the lone exception). He's fine with any kind of support, including silent fans who don't buy any tickets or merchandise. He asks fans to respect other skaters even though fans may not like them. He has a strong support team, great coaches (Ghislain was seen working pretty extensively with him at GPF, and they look pretty friendly with each other), and have a pretty good relationship with Japanese coaches and officials from JSF, so there's like no particular reason his fans need to show how they "support" him. Oh and he has a cordial relationship with his old coaches too, Machiko Yamada has repeatedly supported him in public, and his current EX program is made by Mihoko Higuchi, so no bad blood there and there's no need to blame his old coaches for his 2019 slump... He's also pretty cool with almost all competitors. There's no "perpetual victim" angle with him for his fans to really get into it. He also doesn't starve his fans of content, there's always the daily puppy video with a short update on what he's doing or an update by his personal trainer on where they at and what his condition is. So there's no particular hysteria or panic there either, he's always somewhere and his fans can keep track of him easily. TL;DR Shoma's not a poor meow meow, and after both Dai and Yuzuru, he just seems so... low maintenance. So most of his fans (actual Shoma fans, not extreme Dai and Mao fans pretending to be Shoma fans to hate on Yuzuru) are pretty silent and calm... and well-adjusted too. Plenty of them chose to not go to NHK to watch live due to COVID-19 concerns and/or big expenses (NHK is in Sapporo, Hokkaido which is pretty far and expensive to reach from the main island). And plenty of them didn't go to GPF because they have work and it's not allowed to ask for leave to go overseas in some companies. So yeah, his fans is pretty solid but they're not extreme. I think the most they did recently was to complain to TV Tokyo, the broadcasting channel and organizer of Japan Open/Carnival on Ice during late summer because they were making a "Most Memorable Moments at Japan Open" TV Program and asked fans to vote which performances they most remember of, and at first there was no Shoma performance for fans to vote to, despite him attending Japan Open 6 times already and was about to go for his 7th appearance. It got picked up as "Shoma fans complaining". But at the end the voting manner got adjusted, TV Tokyo apologized and Shoma fans came to Japan Open. So... not a lot of grudge there either. I think with idols and superstars you need to have a phenomenon to project onto, something "bigger" than life to obsess about and feel better from. And Shoma just doesn't have that. He's a normal person and he's honest (to his own detriment). Even when he's being marketed as the idiot airhead (because of his straightforward answers) it soon became clear that he's clearly not just that. But it makes him even harder to be marketed, because he's good enough to be ahead of everyone, but not good enough to be better than Yuzuru. So he's kind of stuck in between, not old enough to be seen as the underdog senior trying to keep up with the younger skaters, but not young enough to be seen as the underdog junior trying to break through the top ranks.

@miaontheloose

Жыл бұрын

As a Shoma fan (and a very laid back Yuzu fan) you are spot on! I always have work when competitions are going on and besides, it's so hard to buy tickets 🤣

@kuilaychua6265

Жыл бұрын

Difficult to get tickets? Well, I saw empty arena at NHK and GPF 2022 competitions🤪That's just a lame excuse lol!

@luluszahir

Жыл бұрын

@@miaontheloose Hard to get tickets? For ANY competition nowadays? For any show nowadays? (Except for Yuzuru's shows everything else is like 50-75% empty how is it difficult for you not to support Shoma? Just say you don't feel like going (a VERY common sentiment in FS fans aside from Yuzu-fans)

@flwr534

Жыл бұрын

@@luluszahir It's actually really difficult for foreign fans to buy tickets to watch shows and competitions in Japan (except big competitions like Worlds that do allocate tickets specifically sold for foreigners, but not by a lot), I did it in 2019 for Shoma's ice shows and I needed help from people who live there who are not FS fans, and when I got there the Japanese fans were looking at me like they saw an alien lol. They didn't expect foreign fans to be able to buy tickets. To be honest, now I don't have the money to spend for traveling to the competitions and buying the tickets, but Shoma has said that he is thankful for any kind of support, including silent support. Considering how... ISU and JSF as well as Japan mainstream media have behaved lately (and honestly... Skate Canada and Italian Fed), I think it's better this way. I'm supporting Shoma, not the people who are getting the money :)

@flwr534

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@@luluszahir Oh, and now knowing Italian Fed supported Daniel training at Sambo 70 with Eteri and her team... I'm glad their 2022 GPF at Turin was empty and the tickets didn't sell that well, that means less money to fund his training in Russia with coaches who are involved in a doping test scandal that ruined the Olympic experience. Who knows, it may be the money from the 2019 GPF that was fully attended by Yuzuru fans that's being used to support Daniel in Russia and cooperate with the Russian Fed.

Lorrie Parker giving Shoma Uno 8.25 on Compositon and 8.25 on Presentation just resurrected the ghost of Alla from Sochi 2014. That woman can go to any lengths to push US skaters and drag others down for no reason whatsoever. Doing the lord's work for USFS.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

She is a master at what she does.

@corgeousgeorge

Жыл бұрын

The LORD'S work? More like Lord of Darnkess! BWA HA HA HA!!

I'm sadly pretty sure that Isabeau will burn out by 17. And controversial oppinion Ilia will burn out by 20.

I lived in Munich and was at Worlds in 1991. Paul Wylie’s free skate was all that! The Ladies Sweep, Surya Bonaly’s Quad toe and turning around snd splattering!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

🙏❤️💯

Isabeau's coach very much makes me concerned for Isabeau. The woman literally worships Eteri (gushing about how she's "the best coach in the world") and is clearly teaching that similar "spinning on the ice" jump technique to Isabeau. I really don't think Isabeau's bad technique will carry her past this season if she doesn't make any changes (I can also see a back injury coming with the way she heavily relies on her back for the lutz and flip). Yulia also saying how she knows Isabeau even better than her mother also raises a red flag to me. If it's true that she stormed out of that Philadelphia competition in August when Isabeau only narrowly beat Lindsay, that's honestly disgusting. Lindsay is also a very talented young girl (and with even better jumping technique).

If you look at the NHK trophy (where the stands were full) there were so many Shoma fans with banners, which was really good to see. The hate he (and Ilia and Nathan) get online is really disheartening and so unnecessary.

@trudyisaacs840

Жыл бұрын

Where online are they getting hate? To those people I say, "If you can do better, get your fata$$ out there on the ice, and prove it. If you can't, then STFU".

Loved this episode! And the description of Jonathan’s party…the best!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

After watching the Final, I was really looking forward to getting the This and That take, and y'all did not disappoint. Very insightful and entertaining show! My only content comment for today is about the Chock and Bates program. It seems they are using the the relationship between fire and fuel/air as a metaphor for the dynamics of their relationship on ice and perhaps off. When you think about how many people comment on the strong emotional presence of Madison, I see them as saying that her ability to bring the "fire" comes from the fuel (strength, skill, love) that Evan provides. What made this interpretation click for me is the flame motif of Madison's new costume. With the color of Evan's costume as the base, it literally looks like flame is rising out from him particularly in those spectacular lifts. So that's the story I'm going with until I hear differently. One other thing is that I'm not sure they need to get rid of the music entirely, but I think they should consider maybe taking the vocals out and pumping up the building drama of the instrumentals. Just a thought. Thank you as always for the great programming you put out week after week.It's a highlight of my week.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

❤️🙏

regarding korea's woes; i think it all comes down to some sort of cultural hold over. like adversity makes you better type of thing. we see it all the time especially in the early kpop mini documentaries. they practice until the early hours of the morning and repeat it the next day. the only good thing is that they know how to take care of their voices; like if they're sick/ have a tired voice, they should rest. but heaven forbid your body is tired when the big to do is only a week away! so i guess, it might be similar in korean skating. unless they're sick/injured, they might be expected to just grind through it. i don't know why it's not connecting to them -- fatigue is connected to performance and injuries after all. about the fan groups in japan. yeah yuzu has a popstar level appeal in japan but shoma has a dedicated fanbase too! but i do agree that yuzu got the momentum of myth-making behind him.

I feel badly for Yelim Kim - I agree they should have given her a bye for the ranking comp. The women's FS was hard to watch, I've never seen Kaori skate that badly. Still love her though. Mai has been the most consistent of all of them, so I predicted her win. Lol, Adam and Jorik ARE the Eurotrash version of Mark and Peter and their "method."

@evanperilstein5308

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I would say that Loena has better skating skills than Mark and Peter's students tho

@xmyza

Жыл бұрын

Do not agree. She is slow and heavy. (Just to be sure everyone understands, I am not talking about her weight).

Thank you for this, I look forward to watching! I'm loving the holiday sweater Dave!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

❤️🙏

Even with Sakamoto not doing well at the GPF her worlds spot is likely secure. Japan has depth, but not to the level of leaving their world champ at home. With that being said Mihara has her spot locked too. Which is going to make Japanese women’s nationals the event to watch. Between Kihira, Kawabe, Watanabe, and Sumiyoshi the battle for the 3rd spot will be the interesting to watch. Edited because I can’t spell 😂

@Ale_ER

Жыл бұрын

I still hope the JSF pushes for Kaori but they always decide their team at Nationals so I hope she pulls through and gets a medal even if she doesn’t win

@erikhai1

Жыл бұрын

If Rino Matsuike is at 100%, she will be a contender too. Right now, I'm rooting mainly for Rion because I really want to see her skate her FS clean, it is my favourite FS program this season.

Let's go! Waiting for it!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

May I suggest a reply (more like a rant) on why their stadium was so empty? PRICES...180 euros (+10 of commissions) is a LOT of money for us (the average salary in this forgotten place is 1300 euros). "Under12" tickets were 170 which are the people we need to get involved in skating but can you imagine a family spending that much?!! And the prices of the other seats were a lot of money anyway. I know a lot of people who couldn't afford it and sadly missed a rare opportunity. I was so pissed off when I saw the prices because without Russians and most Japanese fans I knew it would be half empty. It was so heartbreaking (FISG was also upset) to see the stadium like that especially now that the Italians' podium placements are celebrated everywhere in the italian's media. On a more positive note...it was a great event and the first I had the media pass so I really soaked in the atmosphere! Seeing Shoma live so close, the victories of our athletes, the heartbreak of the senior ladies... a lot of emotions!

@etherealtb6021

Жыл бұрын

Yeesh. That's expensive!

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

Didn't FISG decide about the prices? They shouldn't be upset if the tickets cost so much money, they should have known there won't be any Russians and Japanese fans.

@etherealtb6021

Жыл бұрын

@@tsmith908 It is a pity there are no more great Japanese skaters for fans to follow. 🙄

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 People don't pay thousands of dollars and a lot of time to fly around the world to cheer for skaters they don't care for that much. If you want to mock Hanyu fans, then ask Shoma, Kaori, Kao, Shun, Rinka etc fans to follow their favorites around the world - but they won't because they don't have as many fans who are willing to pay and spend so much time on figure skating competitions. Hanyu has the draw so people follow him everywhere.

@etherealtb6021

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@@tsmith908 I'm not mocking, I'm saying Shoma, Kaori and the others deserve as much loyal fan following from the quality of their skating. Shoma is every bit as talented as Hanyu. But we all knew Fanyus didn't really care about skating at all - they only cared about one person's skating because they were obsessed with him personally. 🙄 And I *was* going to pay to see Shoma in Vegas last year, but my company cancelled all vacations due to COVID that month. I'm still pissed, as that was probably my last chance to see him, as I can't afford to travel further than that, unfortunately. He's one of three greatest skaters who's ever lived and if well-healed Fanyus can't see that, it is their loss!

At this point, after seeing the same results over several years, It seems obvious to me the the KSU needs to stop these required ranking competitions just before a big event. Kim Ye-lim is this years sad example, simply worn out. Kwon Min-sol and Shin Jia skated both the previous weekends. Min-sol's best performance of the three was the 1st one 2 weeks ago.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

Went to see it live. Some thoughts: Empty Seats: the prices were crazy. Something like €280 for good seats per day! €180 for the sides or higher up. €400+ for the whole event. It’s nuts! As the result i think they only had 1/3 seats filled and the atmosphere was non-existent. Ladies Short: was my favorite event. I loved everybody. All my favorite underdogs together, only they are not underdogs anymore. Elim had the only mistake of the night, but I still emotionally connected with her program the most seeing it live, it was sublime.

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

Tickets were so pricey. I expect Europeans in Finland to be dead empty too, emptier than GPF.

@QQ-wl6yt

Жыл бұрын

neoliberal ISU with sport commodified to death... those are some grotesque prices. I thought Skate America's $300 tickets were insane because of the vulture capitalist hellscape but at least there was the excuse of the tiny venue in tyranical Suburbia; no reason to have even more insane prices at an Olympic arena for a final hosted by a second-tier Federation that's gonna host the next Olympics. Agree with the Barcelona crowd, they are the best public for all sorts of sports -- watch any Rhythmic Gymastics events held in Spain and it's like they're diehard fans for every gymnast of every country... I've seen gymnasts moved to tears by the cheering public.

@JR-wj1mz

Жыл бұрын

I'm lucky enough to live a couple of hours train ride from the venue, but when I checked on the price of tickets, as a more casual fan I really couldn't justify it. I was sad to see how empty the stadium was. Poor competitors. How do they justify such prices?

@robamell4216

Жыл бұрын

i went as well. was my first time at a live event and was reallly disappointed .

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

@@JR-wj1mz To be fair prices for Worlds 2018 in Milan and GPF 2019 in the same arena cost even more money, but then organisers counted on Russians and Hanyu fans from around the world who were willing to pay all the money. This year was different, Russians and Hanyu fans are gone and mainly the local fans went or those who live in Europe. But with the ongoing energy crisis and the inflation and a weaker field compared to the previous years the tickets were way too expensive. The field will be even weaker at Europeans which won't be better than any Challenger events, and with Finland being such an expensive country I think the arena will be even emptier.

I'm new to watching figure skating. I want to like Hawayek/Baker, especially when I saw a lot of praise for their free dance. But when I watched it, I couldn't see what everyone else was praising. It's pretty, but that's all I get. I was happy hearing your discussion about it because at least I know I'm not the only one who was bored by their free dance.

@AlisonLam

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious to know who you liked

I'm with Jonathan. Nothing was sadder than my Czech junior team having those falls. It kind of reminded me that they were both new to ice dancing from singles just 2-2.5 years ago, which is wild considering how good they are. I definitely think they are the best when they're y'know, not having 4 falls in a competition. The speed and command of the baby Czechs are on another level, even compared to some of the senior teams. And judging by the scores, it's evident that the judges feel it too seeing how close they were to the top 2 despite the falls. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to stay another season in juniors considering B/B age out and they're both still fairly new to ID, especially if they don't win jr worlds.

That’s exactly what was so special about Evgenia Medvedeva. Her mental game and consistency was next level and till now can’t be matched. Even though her technique was flawed she always delivered.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

She really did.

@xmyza

Жыл бұрын

I felt so sorry for her when everyone went for her because of the wrong edge on lutz. I actually think it was difficult for her due to her anatomy (X legs). It is not something that can be fixed.

@KiffiStinkt

Жыл бұрын

@@xmyza not to forget that they all acted as if she was the only one when in fact lots and lots of big figure skating names have a flutz ( for example legendary Mao Asada)

Thank you for addressing that interview with Isabeau’s coach. I love Isabeau but that interview with the coach left a very bad taste in my mouth.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

The women event was disappointing I don’t care about ultra c elements but the quality of the triple or combos wasn’t good, and all of the skaters seemed to give up mid program

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

It was not a good event.

A lot of us are here equally for the "dribble" as we are the event recaps. You can fast forward if it's not to your liking.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

I went 0 for 3 on the women’s podium which is on brand. Even with the falls at the GPF it’s interesting when, going in, all 6 can legitimately medal. Is there a backstory to why the US team didn’t have any corporate sponsorship on their warmup gear?

judges tried so hard to get the czechs to win even with four falls. justice for the german team who deserved the bronze

The women’s short programs were so great. I was sad the longs were such a mess for everyone.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

🥲

I have never been a fan of the Italians and they got me with this program, cause the are the most innovative in terms of how they grab each other.... They have hundreds positions

@etherealtb6021

Жыл бұрын

I never liked them before either, but these programs work for me!

11:45 - this sounds like the perfect christmas party, not gonna lie XD

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

🤣❤️

I was there and it's impossible not to cheer for anyone, included Isabeau, even tho I'm not her biggest fan. She's lovely, her spins are beautiful and so is the way she moves her arms and her twizzles. The jumps tho. I could see it on tv, but live, where you don't have the camera following the athlete, she really almost stops before jumping and the program dies there every single time. She does what Jun does before the 3A axel before every single jump, even her 2A. It's a pity if they don't fix it. Also I was so sad she was sad after she finished, come on you're at the gpf girl!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the final!

@cyntmacz

Жыл бұрын

Do you have any idea the pressure this kid is under? She is literally still a kid- she can be emotional!

Re David Wilson and his nice programs. He said in an interview once that when he first met Yuna he didn't know what she could do. So he choreographed The Lark Ascending because it was it was quite generic and anyone could manage it. It was only after he saw her do her SP at world's, which I believe Tom Dickson choreographed, that he realised what he was working with. he probably takes that approach with all new clients. About the Korean thing and overtraining their athletes, I think it is their culture. I mean they hammer academics into kids,, they drill their K-Pop bands like it's an army. They did a doco on skating in career after Yuna made it popular and someone said parents and coaches are basically turning skating into another Korean pressure cooker system, where the kids have to practice for hours and hours and hours a day, just like some kids have to study for hours and hours and hours a day.

@yohanes2034

Жыл бұрын

The problem with overcompeting is not overtraining. You can overtrain yourself even if you are not competing. The problem is that you simply can't peak too much and too often. The adrenaline that you get from competitions can't be sustained, the travels and time difference as well. KSU need to learn about pacing and how to prepare their athletes well. You just can't force them to compete in domestic comps a week before the most important competition of the 1st half of the season.

@MsJubjubbird

Жыл бұрын

@@yohanes2034 i totally agree. And these are still teens and young adults who are growing physically and mentally. Perhaps because Yuna trained in Canada (and also was the pioneer) there wasn't that same culture that she had to overtrain. By the time she went back to Korea she was an adult and knew how she operated.

Ted shady? Exuse me, but in the french television, it was Nathalie Pechelat who was interviewing Barbara and she was dragging about "what memories she has when she is in the same arena where she participated during THE olympics". And you could see that Barbara didn't want to go there but Nathalie insisted a few times. I mean for me it was a moment! Especially knowing Nathalie for her political side a generally strong opinions ;)

Yelim herself went: I had 4 competitions in 6 weeks, I'm tired. Jfc, Korea, stop!! These stupid internal comps all the time for no reason...

Gilles and Poirier were brilliant I will be very happy when they win the world title they bring the emotion.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

My first time seeing Loena live. She is so athletic! Her jumps look great, fantastic spins, good speed, she can definitely follow the intricate choreo, I’m very impressed! But she doesn’t emote anything. Her short seemed quite contrived for a fun dynamic program. Her free - I absolutely hated all season and it’s no better in person, even after 3 changes. The music is an abomination and the whole angel/stripper look is not doing it for me. I can’t wait for her to ditch it.

@lc4822

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. I found the last minute of her free very compelling. The music is so dramatic and she is giving every movement her ALL.

@joejoematic8206

Жыл бұрын

Horrible FS...

@tranquilitytranquility1407

Жыл бұрын

@@lc4822 yes, the last minute of the FS is where she emotes the most of the 2 programs. She looked really pissed off and it went well wity the music. Maybe she should try some darker programs.

@carlingtedesco3933

Жыл бұрын

what part of her free costume was suggesting stripper? If it's because of the cutouts -- may I introduce you to every other figure skating costume on the planet?

@tranquilitytranquility1407

Жыл бұрын

@@carlingtedesco3933 Mostly the skirt situation. Really doesn’t go with the lyrical “angel” part of the program. She’s changed the program and the dress several times and both are still bad.

Always grateful to you guys for your insights - thank you 🙏

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

David, you are so right about Loena in this.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

❤️🙏

Alexa/Brandon have better pair elements than the Japanese for sure. But for me, it was clear the Japanese won, especially the free. Both pairs had two total mistakes on SBS jumps, but for A/B it was B making both mistakes for them, while the Japanese took one each. When I was watching the competition, I automatically watch the person who had just struggled on a SBS when they head into the next one. I think that’s why it felt like the Americans had more obvious mistakes, because I had been watching him specifically to see how he does on the second jumping pass. The Japanese were a bit off on the twist, but after some other pair had an even worse twist, it felt redeemable. So their mistakes were comparable, but I’d give the edge to the Japanese because of their skating skills and program. Obviously, I wish they had a program to let their joy be there for the whole four-minute skate, but I didn’t particularly mind the first 2/3 of their program. It was generic for a special team, but because of their lovely knee bend it was acceptable. And of course, the last 20 seconds when they allowed their smiles to break out was wonderful. For Alexa/Brandon, I felt their free wasn’t that good. The music is too slow for them especially in the beginning, and they can’t really match the energy. They would need more powerful, slow strokes that somehow generate more speed, like Sui and Han. Their movements were too fast for the music. Their short program was definitely more suited to them. Overall and in hindsight, I think Alexa/Brandon lost their chance to win when they lost the short, because that was their better program. The Japanese free passed really quickly for me, and I think the overall “smoothness” of their skating skills and emotions made it easier for the judges to go with them.

I really liked the new version of the chock/Bates free. I was nervous that they weren't skipping the final, but I really thought they should've won the free here really surprised Gilles/Porier won that segment on PCS... but that's ice dance

@JoshuaFazeli

Жыл бұрын

Chock and Bates were only 3.7 points behind. Piper and Paul might have peaked.

@kimmietooshoes

Жыл бұрын

C/B definitely should’ve won the rhythm dance. I’m side eyeing the level 1 call on their midline step in the free.

@thesupremediva

Жыл бұрын

Canada is hard at work here for their top team, and the USFS as always is asleep at the wheel. We finally have a clear top team after years of settling for podium after Meryl and Charlie, and instead of getting behind them and making sure they're on track, they've left them in the hands of MFD and her vanity projects. A team that should have been a clear favorite for a World title is losing ground because their coaches are trying to elevate other couples in their own training camp. ALL the IAM teams look tired and homogeneous this year - C/B can do better and deserve better.

@JoshuaFazeli

Жыл бұрын

@@thesupremediva 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@debbied2715

Жыл бұрын

So agree! C/B free was a work of art(even Ben Agosto said so!) G/P were inspired but it just doesn't do anything for me. I'm still pissed that they got the gold

Congratulations to the Australian pairs team in the JGP. They were amazing! Timely, however. The ABC just screened a documentary called Harley & Katya which is so incredibly tragic about the last Australian team to win a junior world championship. If anyone is questioning the reason for the increase in senior minimum age limits, this absolutely addresses this issue head on.

@larhumba4233

Жыл бұрын

Can we watch it anywhere outside Oz?

@carolinedavis6557

Жыл бұрын

@@larhumba4233 looks like you might need a vpn and register for a free iview account.

Where are people watching the Ice Dance and Pairs? My favorites! There’s nothing on KZread, no reruns on Peacock, and just mens and women on NBC.

@lollypop2414

Жыл бұрын

Using a VPN to watch it on the ISU KZread channel.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Opera browser. Set VPN to europe.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Then go on the skating ISU channel.

@janetwatkinson745

Жыл бұрын

Discovery +

Vocal music sucks for competitions. The difference with Janet Lynn is she could emote the melody and phrases in the piece. Her Afternoon of a Faun, for example, with no vocal reference to menstruation necessary.

Thanks for another wonderful show! Dave- I've gotta know where your sweater is from, its perfect!!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

It is my boyfriend’s. It is from Abercrombie and Fitch. He is older than I am ;)

@meganhayes6449

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson thank you!!

This is the second competition in a row that the French judge gave Christina + Anthony 121+ in the free dance. If 4 other judges can get behind it, they could be contenders for the world team.

Thank you, Dave, for saying what I have been about the pairs, that Alexa and Brandon were a little cleaner in the free skate, and should have won. Both teams were scored so closely in the short program that it's not as if you could tell them that they just couldn't dig themselves out of the hole that they were in. I really didn't think that they were going to let the Japanese win, and it's really annoying to me. I've never been as big a fan of Alexa as you guys are, but facts are facts. It's like Ted saying that Mai's jumps were all called clean at the exact same time as they're showing her under rotated jump on the screen in slow motion. The truth is right in front of us, people.

Okay so I know everyone hates Russians and like go off on eteri. But the biggest loss without them is pairs. I miss seeing moskvina peeking over the boards😭

@levinsky3597

Жыл бұрын

Everyone hates Russians...

@alexac3098

Жыл бұрын

@@levinsky3597everyone loves Moskvina though.

@elenamastiukova2787

Жыл бұрын

You can always watch Russian Grand Prix then)) Moskvina and her couples are competing there. They tried out incredible ultra-Cs at Jumping tournament which are not usually performed during competitions. And you don’t have to hate Russians with “everyone “, set your own trends😊

@elenamastiukova2787

Жыл бұрын

You can always watch Russian Grand Prix then)) Moskvina and her couples are competing there. They tried out incredible ultra-Cs at Jumping tournament which are not usually performed during competitions. And you don’t have to hate Russians with “everyone “, set your own trends😊

Fascinating to hear Jonathan’s take on Jia Shin. I found her sp to be my favorite performance of the junior event. The fluidity and smoothness was unmatched

@yohanes2034

Жыл бұрын

Ikr? But I agree that Jia needs to stretch her knee because it looked bend on spins and spirals

The top two pairs were beautiful and very high quality, but I fully agree Alexa and Brandon were a little better here. Their GOE on a few elements in the free skate weren't high enough compared to Miura/Kihara. Their throws were much higher and better landed, and M/K scored too close to them with smaller throws and multiple hands down, three to be exact. Very exciting competition for gold, but I wish the result went the other way. Alexa had a phenomenal skate, she's incredible when she's on like that.

@lkhrquowhgfs

Жыл бұрын

K/F made a mistake in the short program. M/K was clean. And yet there was no point difference. In total, I think M/K won. But both pairs deserved the gold!

@yohanes2034

Жыл бұрын

Please the pcs difference between 2 of them is too close for both programs. You just can't compare M/K Skating skills with K/F

@deirdrekiely6187

Жыл бұрын

Alexa was in the zone in the free program. She nailed her stuff. I've rarely seen her that sharp and focused. Her side by side triples looked effortless.

@yohanes2034

Жыл бұрын

Alexa was great on her sbs and her position on lift is better than Riku but ngl the footwork during stsq, just doing the transitions, etc you cannot say that K/F are better than M/K even on PCS imo they should have been separated more. Give K/F higher on their throws and twist but PCS like SS and CO M/K should have come on top. M/K is noticeably faster, have better flow, knee bend, and their lift is also fast and cover lot of ice. K/F on the other hand, I can't really enjoy their basic skating

I am so disappointed with programs this year. What kind of music were they using? Also love seeing both of you.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Love your work as always! But Dave you did insist Chock & Bates sit this out, only to be proven wrong by their superb outing here. I don’t think such call should be just brushed off by attributing their result to solely politics. I find their Bowie RD fabulous, and they made improvements as reflected on the TES. The FD is growing on me, as Jonathan and @cmh1324 said ❤. Meanwhile totally agree about Mai’s generic loveliness and Kaori’s unique SP. I’m rooting for Mana! She’s got such strong foundation, with awesome triple axel and programs!!!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

I felt their skating looked much better. I don’t find their programs to be fabulous yet.

@davidreign9247

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson couldn’t disagree with you More!!!! These Programs are Fire!!!!! Madison Chock & Evan Bates, Bravo! Madison is something Special, I was hypnotized watching her Skate!

happy holidays, TSL!!!! when are we getting sandra's brother and ex skating partner val and sandra's sister in law pam on this and rhat?

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Parabéns.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

One of the things that stood out to me while watching the women's event at the JGP Final is that raising the eligibility age by two years is going to result in some really long-running junior rivalries amongst prodigies in that category. We're set for Mao 2.0 vs. Jia for three full seasons before the latter can have a chance to move up to senior.

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

The real competition will be in the juniors, who will compete for 4 years and not 2 years before going to the seniors. By the time they will go to seniors many will be injured or burned out since the competition for the junior spots will be twice as big as before. More junior skaters=more difficult technical elements=more injuries/burn out.

@ColonelGreen

Жыл бұрын

@@tsmith908 Disagree, because the raised eligibility will much more strongly incentivize having lasting technique and not burning out by your mid-teens. It will obviously also make junior spots a bit scarcer than they otherwise might be.

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

@@ColonelGreen I disagree, when Russians will be back they will find a way for women so get in best form by not age 15 but age 17 where they can win Olympics and retire, just like Shcherbakova and Trusova did when they were 17.

Dave lease can you please stop spread rumors about Yuna, first Yuna's spirals have created some of the most iconic, memorable moment in skating history. e.g. the spiral in her legendary Homage to Korea program. Always the most marveled/watched spiral moment by fans globally, can't you hear the roar of the live audience, and her Chinese spiral profile in her Gershwin program has been used as symbols to represent women's skating in many occasions and her little spiral in SITC stsq, it made the commentator aww. Spiral is a dynamic movement (not the synonyms of overly extended legs), it has speed, ice coverage, phrasing etc. Yuna's spiral has all those in spades, although Yuna does not max her spiral's flexibility but the images she created is always beautiful and suited for the program/music. With Yuna, every vocabulary of figure skating, be it spiral, ina bauer, or even cross overs are used effectively, meaningfully, integrated to serve the program as a whole, never used as gimmicky to wow the audience. Second, Yuna does not has special treatment by KSU as well. In her time, even she is the only Korean skater competitive internationally, she has to do those ranking competitions. even when her back is heavily injured, she still has to do those Korean domestic competitions. It is always the same for every skaters in KSU.

Regarding Yelim Kim before the free, I don’t know what they showed on the stream, but she had a bad fall, then was just skating in circles looking totally dejected, ignoring her coach. She definitely didn’t look like she was ready to go and kill it.

@yohanes2034

Жыл бұрын

In interview she said she felt tired after doing 4 competitions in 6 weeks. KSU is basically self sabotaging their skaters by forcing them to skate that Korean Rank competition. Skaters who compete in gp series and even qualify for the final should have gotten a bye. KsU can use the int. scores they got in gp series to replace that domestic competition.

@candycane9694

Жыл бұрын

@@yohanes2034 I don't even know what's the point of it if they hold korean nationals not so long after the ranking competition.

@yohanes2034

Жыл бұрын

@@candycane9694 KSU have this convoluted point system to determine who can go to 4CC and World based on combined total score from ranking and nats. It's just stupid cause any other big federations out there only have 1 national level competition per year. If KSU need other ways to assess performance they can use body of work obtain from international competitions just like any other feds.

@renarune

Жыл бұрын

@@yohanes2034 Ranking is for 4CC, nationals is for Worlds and combined is for the National team

@yohanes2034

Жыл бұрын

@@renarune that's what I meant by convoluted and unnecessary. Other federations just use nationals and body of work to determine who got into national team, who sent to Euro/4CC, and world. It's just simply unrealistic to expect athletes to peak many times during a season. The adrenaline crash and fatigue alone would prevent optimal performance. Not to mention time zone / jet lag. KSU is basically sabotaging their skaters

Gosh, I could not disagree more about Hawayek's and Baker's free dance and the Japanese's free skate. I LOVE them both. With both of them I'm mesmerized start to finish. So, I didn't find Alexa and Brandon to be better here (even though I like them) because I found the Japanese so much more compelling to watch, and their errors were more minor. I love their flow. (And I still hate Alexa's and Brandon's music cut.) Agreed on pretty much everything else. But what I'm really mad about is the inconsistency of the calling of underrotations and edges. Isabeau only being called on her lutz in the short and not the long? (To be honest I think she should always be called.) Rinka's underrotations on her combo in the short, showed plain and clear in the replay but not called at all?

I read on Japan news that Kaori Sakamoto was more focus this semester into finish her university program, that she had less time for training, so that could be why she is not that consistance and well prepare for competitions. I do not undersatand why did she took this decision, right after worlds she need it to be come concistend with her programs the oportunity is here, her couches do not know how or what happend with this idea, I mean school is not going anywere she can always go back and focus on her studies, but the time to pik and build your way in this sport is so limited and precise, I really do not undersant this decision. I really hope she can rearange her streinght and be mentally prepare for the changes and improvements she needs to do.

@dianasky8975

Жыл бұрын

Not everyone can do what Nathan did

@TheFlowMind

Жыл бұрын

University will still be there once she retires. I can understand Nathan making that choice but definitely not the best for Kaori. This was the season to take everything without baby Russians and their inflated scores.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

It is strange considering this is her one chance to be reigning world champion. It does seem possible that is also provides a built-in excuse from the pressure...

@emmax4806

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLessonDegree is very very important in Asia countries😂 Tatsuki Machida withdrew from 2015 Worlds for his thesis.

These are the things I need to know heading into worlds for Ice Dance: 1. Who’s going to 4CC? 2. Are Chock and Bates making enough changes to the free dance for the 3 of the 5 judges not behind them now to get behind them? 3. Is Jennifer Mast going to be the caller at worlds?

@davidillouz7216

Жыл бұрын

Chock and bates have no chance to win with that awful free dance the level 1 on the step sequence in the fd, is the clearest indication.

@JoshuaFazeli

Жыл бұрын

@@davidillouz7216If they got the silver here with throwing this program together after their long ass tour and MF and Patrice are holding up all their teams for whatever reason they have, then they should get better results over the course of the season. The problem is program choices and I blame the coaches mostly for this. The step sequence will be figured out by Nationals. It’s the content and MF and Patrice should know better.

The most important thing out of all of this is... Did Lindsay Thorngren's mom or team or whatever contact Dave to get the Sandra contact info?! Lindsay would be SOOOOO good under a Sandra program. She has all the skills and tools that Sandra can really bring out!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

They did not.

@corgeousgeorge

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Ugh! how dare they?! With Queen Sandra at the ready for a Dave Lease introduction? The nerve! I hope they reach out maybe at the end of the season?!

I always thought Kaori's sp dress was gold and black.

@mainaalmeida4246

Жыл бұрын

I see gold and black too

What is the most difficult element in your program Dave?

I got into Rinka (even with mistakes) and the junior canadian dance team where neither partner is canadian but everything else gave me depression

@deirdrekiely6187

Жыл бұрын

Shoma rising to the occasion was great to see here.

Love the sweater Dave! You guys always look so sharp. Love the discussions!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

Hilarious and true about the “bad spiral”

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

💯

Dave, I disagree: I’ve seen Hawayek and Baker twice this season. Their FD is really amazing and NOT dull. ✨✨✨ Kthxbye

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

It’s ok that you are openly wrong.

@JoshuaFazeli

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLessonyou’ve never met me in person. Just my references. I’m NEVER wrong. ✨😎✨

@Rachel-rs7jn

Жыл бұрын

I saw it at Skate America and I agree with you 100%. I LOVE it.

when isabeau skates , it hurts because it's so beautiful.

It's YEH-lim!

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Wet dead seaweed I can't 😂

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Look at it again!

I wonder if because we haven't had a GPF in 3 (?) years and so we haven't had a full season in what feels like forever, that just didn't help the women.

Well the answer to how Yuzu retiring would affect the sport is being answered. Organizers need to realize that the sport no longer has a skater with fans that are willing to go broke over and focus on attracting more casual fans. No casual fan is going to pay exuberant prices to see a live competition they aren't all that invested in. I went to several skate america and the prices for me were affordable but now that am following the sport in a casual way, i will never shell out for the prices i saw were being charged for this event. I paid (and get refunded) almost $900 USD for 2020 Worlds and I felt that was a good price for such a big event but a grand prix final with limited skaters who aren't big names charging hundreds for the full event....

btw Thorngren's Golden Spin total would have been good enough for GPF bronze ☠☠

@MrChaseBlue

Жыл бұрын

The scoring in the gpf was largely low and the tech panel was more critical here than in most competitions

@JoshuaFazeli

Жыл бұрын

I would still fire Julia RIGHT NOW.

@stuckin2003

Жыл бұрын

The point is the level at GPF was abysmal, and Lindsay is still in it, despite a rough Grand Prix.

@stuckin2003

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaFazeli Sacrilege! At least Lautowa always serves looks in the K&C, which is really all that matters 😉

@JoshuaFazeli

Жыл бұрын

@@stuckin2003 looks meaning wearing eye bags for days in the kiss and cry in Espoo? Julia is the Maggie Haney of drag, I mean figure skating. 😎

Jon's party 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

Mai is light as a feather, but good lord, her music choices ruin her skating for me. So boring.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

Anyone else also tired of another one of Ted’s expressions, “has to take the fall” ?

Baram and Tioumentsev (USA Jr pairs national champions) are the team getting screwed by the new age rules changes. They can't skate juniors next year because he'll be too old (21). And they can't skate senior because she just turned 14 and will continue to be a year behind the increasing minimum age rule until the year after she turns 17. This really is a problem, and an unintended consequence of the age rules change. Ted did say on the stream that the ISU was looking at the issue, so hopefully it can work out a solution. Would really be a shame for them to have to split up or be ineligible to compete for the next 3 years. I've been really impressed with them since last year as a team with the potential technical skill to compete with the Russian teams.

@My-hat

Жыл бұрын

Should a 14 yr old be skating with a 21 yr old anyway. They were skating when she was 13 and 20. I don’t know how long they’ve been together. A child and a grown man, that’s not right. Potential for abuse and just sheer bullying / dominating etc is too high. The mindset/ maturity is too different between those years.

@aliecatze4922

Жыл бұрын

@@My-hat Well, that's the question. To be accurate, he won't turn 21 until March. They have a solid respectful pair partnership and an excellent coaching situation. But that's not always been true for others. Even in seniors, the Japanese GP champs have an almost ten year difference in their ages, she's 20 and he's 30, which presents its own problems from a longevity perspective.

@quintupleaxel

Жыл бұрын

Even without the change in age limit they'd still not be able to compete internationally for a couple of years. What do you think the ISU should do? Allow even older men to compete as juniors? Or let girls compete as seniors at a younger age, but only for Pairs? What message do you think that would send out... the ISU claims to have raised the age in an attempt to protect the wellbeing of young skaters.. but doesn't deem young female Pair skaters worthy of that protection.. The age change has been on the horizon for a while. Putting them together as a team was pretty stupid if they want them have longevity as team... but who knows if that was the intention..? Maybe he's not planning on competing much longer?

Sapporo Olympics is the mother load of unseen footage.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

💯

Dave, you're really onto something with Avatar for Chock and Bates! Just watch their free dance from Torino, mute the sound, and play the Avatar theme instead, and it's GREAT. And that's without the cool cuts that could be done, and other pieces of music from the soundtrack... use your clout and get them to change the darn music!! It's definitely better here, but they could be undeniably better than the Canadians if they would just change it (and keep the current costumes - they're Avatar enough!)!

I’ve noted that you guys haven’t talked about Shun at all this season. Too irrelevant to the grand scheme of things?

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

There were so many skaters to discuss at the final. I find that he has solid technique, but his skating lacks imagination and impact.

I am using opera browser just to watch the full programs in isu channel because of geo block. I don't understand why ISU is blocking these videos to other countries. They are really limiting the sport to skating countries only??? Is this how they intend to promote it?

@lindaallison5338

Жыл бұрын

They only geoblock to countries that have a TV network that has bought the rights - if there’s no local channel, you get the ISU feed. They are protecting the investment that the networks have made. For example SBS Australia has the rights to ISU comps, but they didn’t live stream it so I used the vpn. I can watch the replay on SBS but not on KZread because it is geoblocked. Given VPNs are so accessible I think the business model for tv rights is screwed.

What is the story they are telling in Evita? I’m so bored, watching it in person and on tv. I’m Seriously confused. Just give Paul his medal so he can go off in the sunset with his frosted tips.

What check boy?

@alexal.8184

Жыл бұрын

the boy in mrazeka/mrazek - they're a czech team

Why so many empty seats? It's obvious. We are crashed with the upcoming recession. Great recession. Yuzu is just one factor. Money is the real thing. Maybe Fanyus is more dedicating or have superior financial status. But as Shoma fan in Asia, I can say that I can't afford as much as I could in the past. Plus, the VISA granting processed was insane. Too long to wait and not sure to obtain. Sometimes last minute. So sad.

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

Yuzu fans are very dedicated. His shows in Yokohama and Hachinohe were completely sold out.

@aeyomu

Жыл бұрын

@@tsmith908 Yeah, I think so. According to my experience, Yuzu fan seems easier to spend money. Yuzu himself also has more idol potential in marketing aspect.

@tsmith908

Жыл бұрын

@@aeyomu His following is huge and even if there are many of them who aren't that well off but there is a portion of his fans who are willing to spend so much money on him. No matter where his shows are they are all sold out and more than 90% who applied to tickets lost the lottery for his shows. It's not a surprise he was asked to perform in Tokyo Dome which has 55k capacity, he will be able to sell out even that huge stadium.

would Flo show some videos on patreon in a zoom? he could show whatever he wants

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Let us pray and beg him @floskate

What really makes no sense to me about that ranking competition was Jia Shin and Minsol kwon- at least Chaeyeon Kim was age eligible for a 4CC spot (and managed to get one) so it was worth her competing. But that's so close to the JGPF and no benefit for the younger 2..

i disagree that K/F twist was better, you can see in both the short and the long that the catch is off for them, Alexa’s face n bent leg on the place down says it all

Yuna also has a big flower on her head and a choker for her senior debut tango program, I think the flower for isabeau's sp is okayish but the choker is too much. A smaller choker like yuna's could enhance her neck aesthetics more effectively. And isabeau's dress is indeed a bit too long. i think a modernized minimal tutu dress for isabeau would be lovely for an American ballet program.

Way to take what Isabeau said out of context. I don't know what to think about the coach but the interview I saw was literally in Russian.

Gosh, I love Shoma but not Michelle Kwan level love ❤… (Wendy Williams tea sip)

@JosedeJezeus

Жыл бұрын

Tea spiked with alcohol

Given the lack of power of the two top dance teams (here) Madison and Zac could fall and still win - their power and the passion that creates is greatly missed!

I wish that instead of Ted, they could broadcast David imitating Ted instead.

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

🤣

Melissa and Denis were not at Skate America 2005//pre Torino Oly..neither were G and G..

@TheSkatingLesson

Жыл бұрын

Skate Canada, sorry!

@maryloureiff6489

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@@TheSkatingLesson 2005 St. John's Canada Marie-France Dubreuil / Patrice Lauzon Ukraine Elena Grushina / Ruslan Goncharov United States Melissa Gregory / Denis Petukhov

As is, Ice Dance is an irrefutable influence-pedaling cartel -- i.e., how can there be no conflicts of interest when there are academies where a huge number of federations have their ice dancers training?

TBH, after the women SP I bet with a friend Mihara was gonna be Gold. I won big cause my friend was so sure about Kaori...

Dick button did not commentate to 1972 Olympics I believe it was Peggy Fleming for NBC

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Interesting!

I wonder if the KSU is copy pasting from short track where racing a lot is more useful, and they have a tonne of strong skaters and success there? But for whatever reason, it's ridiculous and really hurting their figure skaters.