The fact that you cant get 32 gb of ram unless you spend $2.7k is atrocious lol

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

Technically you can in SOME regions. The RTX 4060 spec technically allows it. But it'll still cost you....

@bwztec

13 күн бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks fair enough, didnt know that! In the us you cannot (i believe). still feels like a way to make you get the next step up and pay more than you want to. but regardless, if it wasn't soldered it wouldnt be an issue.

@jeremyflowers8908

13 күн бұрын

If you think that is bad.. go look at Razer 18. You can't have QHD drive if you want 64GB memory, largest m.2 SSD or the Mercury fiinish case... And you can't even get Windows 11 Pro when purchasing.

@UltrasonicNostalgia

13 күн бұрын

Apple's fault. Fcking trendsetters on the priceladder strategy. Now a lot of these PC brands start to think they can also get away with it.

@bwztec

13 күн бұрын

@@jeremyflowers8908 nah they are just as bad lol. totally agree.

Asus never figures it out. I have Scar 17 2023 with 7945HX and it's still a buggy mess with zero fixes. Worst experience I've had with any laptop in years, and those bugs are universal to all users.

@whitest_kyle

13 күн бұрын

My 2022 Flow X16 still has software bugs too. I often have the keyboard and mouse stop working or the screen change orientation because of how it handles accelerometer input.

@OblivionPrime

13 күн бұрын

My Asus g15 advantage edition had many problems, but it was the best laptop at is price range when i got so i just dealt with it...

@ThroughFallenEyes

13 күн бұрын

We fixed essentially all the issues with my wife's 2022 g14 by uninstalling armory crate and getting an open source version. Took 2 years before I found it, but very worth it. That thing was a disaster before we uninstalled it. I cannot believe Asus continues to push that garbage software.

@Mido_

13 күн бұрын

what bugs are you talking about?

@Gallardo994

13 күн бұрын

@@Mido_ the device won't wake up from sleep unless you disable literally everything related to sleep. Sometimes keyboard will be unresponsive for several seconds. Sometimes GPU fan will go full blast for no reason reporting 0 RPM. Loud coil whine. The list goes on and on.

2022-2023 models are the best options in 2024 so far.

@yeepchiu2510

13 күн бұрын

especially 2023 m16, it has 2upgradable ram💯💯

@mcslender2965

13 күн бұрын

Eh. The m16 has terrible battery life and the g14 2023 is awfully close to it in performance

@KelvinCrag

13 күн бұрын

​@@mcslender2965 I easily get 5-6 hours of screen time on medium use (80%-20%)

@Andorski

13 күн бұрын

2022 and 2023 has terrible battery. 2024 had soldered RAM. It's always one step forward, one step backward with Asus.

@ppbomber_

13 күн бұрын

@@Andorski2023 has 8h battery my guy ur crazy

I wouldn't mind soldered RAM if they actually sold every unit with 32gb minimum at a reasonable price. Maybe in 10yrs it should be 64gb minimum, maybe, but right now it should be 32gb. I mean what is the point of even making 16gb? If you work AND play on the same machine you need at least double than what YT vids on "how much RAM do you actually need for gaming (only)?" say because you might want to keep some apps open in the background. Even on a CPU without eCores I don't see a difference benchmarking/playing Total War or Skylines etc with two Excel spreadsheets and Chrome open or not at 32gb, so it really is way more a matter of RAM than core count+power.

@andyH_England

13 күн бұрын

The problem gaming OEMs had with modular RAM was that people were buying the base and upgrading themselves. This means OEMs suffer drops in margins and in a highly competitive market can be devastating for the business. The other unforeseen consequence is that market data suggests the majority of people buy 16GB or 32GB versions, hence why they do not offer higher RAM configs in soldered variants. So, to compensate for buyers getting the cheapest RAM versions OEMs have had to increase prices, and another knock-on for consumers is that as few people bought 64GB (as they were upgrading themselves), many OEMs no longer offer that amount. That is why I am in favour of soldered RAM. If people accepted it then prices would settle down and we would get higher specs. Sadly, looking through comment sections, people still want to buy cheap and upgrade themselves and that has repercussions as we must accept an equilibrium between consumers and OEMs for both to fairly exist.

@AnujeetRoy09

13 күн бұрын

@@andyH_England you have used two separately sourced problems to conflate into an anti-consumer behavior. Soldered ram isn't inherently bad, but they are offered the way they are simply as an extension of the business practice that Apple standardized... getting customers through the gate and making them comfortable with unreasonably priced upgrades with the subconscious argument that "if you are going to spend this much already, then might as well get the one with the higher memory, etc" There is no effective difference in an OEM offering their models with completely custom RAM through SODIMM slots. The entire argument about customers upgrading base models and upgrading is a narrative to gain sympathy for an otherwise malicious business practice. In a proper business spec, the products shouldn't be differentiated based on trivial differences. The trivial difference should simply add the additional cost for it and not require an update to other core specifications. In this case, Asus would have lost nothing if they allowed people to buy laptops with as much RAM as they want on whichever model they wanted, thus leveraging a sense of Choice Deprivation bias to force people into hardware spec they do not need or want.

@gorjy9610

12 күн бұрын

@@andyH_England margins can be excuse in cheapest lineup of laptops, not here.

@pi4795

12 күн бұрын

It's a disgusting practice that is specially visible with RAM and storage in PCs, but this happens everywhere. We can't have nice things without being ripped off it seems

Is every laptop this year a downgrade or what??

@atypicalnihilist

13 күн бұрын

Pretty much. No new GPUs, new CPUs are just rebranded and higher wattage versions of older ones, excluding ultra H ones which have this unreliability issue and cause cpu bottleneck in several games. So the only selling point was "sleekness" and OLED display which comes with higher temps, lower wattage limits (which defeat the purpose of newer gen CPUs) and extremely high cost.

@XieRH1988

13 күн бұрын

Even if its not a downgrade, its likely a ripoff due to no new GPU models. With GPUs being the main bottleneck for gaming, a new gaming laptop doesn't properly live up to being 'new' unless it also comes with a new GPU model. This is why CES at the beginning of the year will usually serve as an indicator of whether to even consider a new gaming laptop released during that year, because if no new GPU models are announced, then you might as well just buy last year's models. Heck even if new GPU models are announced, if they are incremental upgrades (i.e. like Ti or Super models) with no architectural change, it is likely still more economical to go for last year's models.

@CJTheTokay

13 күн бұрын

Eh the 2024 g14 is the perfect laptop for me personally

@heliumfreak5364

13 күн бұрын

If you don't release a stinker then how are you meant to make your next product seem awesome.. Like the Nvidia 20 series to the 30 series

@crestofhonor2349

13 күн бұрын

The Lenovo and Razer blade laptops aren’t that different from last year

I have a G16 2023 model. RAM slot was such a lifeline. The very first thing I did after unboxing was to add another 32GB stick to make my laptop a 48GB model. I need that for my machine learning workflow. also ports on 2023 model is far better vs 2024 model. Why no one is mentioning the missing ethernet port.

@valeriikb

11 күн бұрын

Which type of memory in it? DDR4 or DDR5?

@karanvora2674

11 күн бұрын

@@valeriikb DDR4.

recently got the g16 with 32gbram, 1tbssd, ultra9 185h, rtx4060 in white, upgraded from a lenovo legion 5 pro with amd5800h, rtx3070 and MAN this laptop is insane for media consumption, and some "light" gaming. its so portable and I LOVE it.

@Burbanana

13 күн бұрын

oled or ips? getting 32gb here in west eu is expensive af

@PKperformanceEU

13 күн бұрын

Its a peice of shit especially next to any 16inch macbook pro👑.

@plaintext7288

13 күн бұрын

​@@PKperformanceEUbro's asking for beef

@PKperformanceEU

13 күн бұрын

@@plaintext7288 no beef, i win 10/10 times 👑

@ArturPawowski-uz2zv

13 күн бұрын

I just bought today in Thailand the same with RTX 4060 and 32GB for around 2100 USD. I will get extra tax refund for it on airport so finaly around 2000 USD. Much more better price than in US or EU

The fact that g14 come close and sometimes outperform the g16 in overall aspect is pretty impressive for the g14, considering the smaller size

I never experienced any of the issues you did on my G16 (4090 model). And that was 2+ months of heavy use daily driving, benchmarking, etc. I also cross-referenced my benchmarks with other owners on Reddit to make sure they were in line, so I’m definitely puzzled! Did you run all your benchmarks in dGPU mode or Optimus? Did you poll any other G16 reviewers to see if they experienced something similar? The only weird quirk I found is that sometimes my benchmarks in Optimus were higher than they were in dGPU mode. This also seems to translate to the Alienware X16 with the same CPU, so there very well could be some optimization missing on the Intel Core Ultra, which could just be an Intel thing, not too sure. However, like others have pointed out, 99% of everything here would be fixed by simply uninstalling Armoury Crate and using G-Helper instead. I did every benchmark multiple times with both AC and then again after installing G-Helper to verify both were identical. No major disparities. But to anyone having issues, I’m sure that would be all they needed. But yeah, this just caught my attention since I’ve had nothing but positive experiences with the laptop so figured I’d drop a comment for those concerned!

@tsung-hanlin6150

13 күн бұрын

Josh we need your review asap!

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

@@tsung-hanlin6150 yeah this has definitely motivated me to get it done as soon as possible! It will be a much different tone, I took an extremely deep dive into this laptop!

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

I think we have fundamentally different approaches, not to mention laptops. If you grab a 4070 or 4080 version you'll notice the RTX 4090 firmware path is very different. We tried both Optimus and dGPU (otherwise known as Ultimate) without any difference since this is a fundamental CPU centric power bottleneck that randomly pops up. We have reached out to others and most simply haven't tested enough to answer. Since these are loaners we can't verify either since they've (for the most part) been sent back. That said ASUS themselves confirmed our findings, after which we were issued two custom (not publicly available) firmwares which solved nothing and triggered many comments you see in the video. We always give manufacturers a right of response. This video is not different. You might believe GHelper would change things but it doesn't. We tried. It uses the same backend firmware communications as Armory Crate so the fundamental comms hiccups and successes are carried over en masse. Hope that helps. If you want to discuss more we love to hear from you. Reach out over Twitter. ♥️

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks I’ll try and look into this further, I do believe something is awry here but idk about how there would be a difference between the 4080 and 4090 model especially when the CPU seems to be the culprit of the issue. And I feel like it would be a good idea to also talk to Alienware X16 owners which have the same setup, because what if this is simply an Intel or Nvidia thing? Appreciate the reply though! I’ll reach out on Twitter with anything else

@HardwareCanucks

11 күн бұрын

@@JoshCravesTech I think you're missing the major point in a number of our posts: ASUS has been able to recreate our findings with a number of their 4070 / 4080 lab samples. Our hope is they'll issue a fix in the future. Perhaps BIOS 319 was a first attempt but it didn't have any effect. Secondarily, if you need to use third party software to fix first party issues in an app that's mission critical for a lot of the system's functionality....well, that causes the G16 to fail even harder. Though its nice to know there's a fallback plan for people who spent over two grand.

I got mad with Asus givin us just one upgradable RAM slot that I just bought Razer. Razer is expensive but at least they always give me all da options. Asus gave us one slot in 2022 and now 2024 again. like wtf?

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

Agreed but the G16 is a much thinner and lighter laptop. Basically like a MacBook in comparison. I think they should’ve still continued with the 2023 M16 design for those who wanted upgradeable ram but still have a thin-ish design.

@SJZ00

12 күн бұрын

so youre telling me, instead of paying for the Asus with max Ram options, which is not that much more, you went and shell out thousand more for a Razer? LMAO =))) what a dumb argument. Razer isnt without its problem, Razer is known to have crappy software as well, ask anyone using their Synapse app =)))). Overprice piece of junk.

@dhineshkumars8007

12 күн бұрын

In my country only one variant available, Core 7 ultra with RTX 4070 and 16GB RAM IPS display.

@mcslender2965

12 күн бұрын

That's even worse. If you don't need portability just get sth from Lenovo or sth

@why_tho_

12 күн бұрын

@@SJZ00 ikr? Lenovo makes a lot more sense in regards to upgradeability and price. Though they do have their share of problems/caveats.

Things to fix next year: 1. Thicker Chassis for cooling 2. Lower Prices 3. Give 32Gb of RAM in more regions

@pedro4205

13 күн бұрын

32GB should be baseline for soldered ram

@ali_leo7868

13 күн бұрын

16G is enough for years.

@alyousuf

13 күн бұрын

​@@ali_leo7868my phone has 16GB and yes its enough, not for a laptop unless all you do is browse.

@pedro4205

13 күн бұрын

@@ali_leo7868 I run over 16GB easily playing Baldur's Gate 3 with not much opened in the background

@rakeshravindran3147

13 күн бұрын

Noway. For me, nowadays I am looking for 64G memory. For an engineer running few containers and at times another Linux VM, I hover between 20G - 38G. I was hoping there would be Laptop this year to get out of the Mac ecosystem.

It's annoying when OEMs push out products that are "unfinished" to say the least. I'd be interested in seeing a follow-up video on this G16 to see when/how they fix the issues.

Never had any of these mentioned issues while using G-Helper. I switched pretty early from Armoury Crate and it's done wonders compared to everyone out there complaining about power issues and temperature problems. Really wish Asus's software wasn't so buggy all the time because this laptop truly is incredible, especially with the vapor chamber in the 4080.

@TheRonBarcelo

13 күн бұрын

never even used AC, just changed to G helper from the get-go, not an issue in the world, actually one of the best laptops I ever owned, it runs games to my standard and its portable as hell.. And the scree...omg...the screen... so yeah as this comment said, just use G Helper

@soldarknezz

13 күн бұрын

This. After getting my G14 2022 I did a fresh install and went with G-Helper right away and never looked back.

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

We tried. This is an intrinsic Firmware / Root driver issue that G-Helper cannot fix.

@TheRonBarcelo

13 күн бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks a new BIOS came in yesterday for me , 319 dont know if that has something to do with my stable sistem

@Os_E_L

12 күн бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks I wonder why I haven't experienced any of these problems then. Your tests showed this problem exists in both the 4070 and 4090 models. If it really is a root problem, I'll take this as a chance to look into whether there really is a minor variance in performance that I am not noticing.

wouldnt uninstalling armory crate, disabling it in the BIOS, and installing ghelper help solve the tug of war you described? Also I saw posts about flashing the bios with a bios from a higher wattage machine that provided more performacnce than the original 125 watt limit.

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

Not YET. Because G Helper has issues recognizing the GPU Mux on this laptop and also exhibits power plan conflicts. G Helper is a simplified version of the program, it doesn't completely rewrite it, nor does it change baseline firmware issues. We have however reached out to see if the G Helper devs have any insight. This isn't about overall performance either, so a BIOS flash likely wouldn't solve it (though ASUS did send us other BIOS files)

@NIkon32x-om8dy

13 күн бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks I have the 2024 G16 w/4090 & 32mb ram. I flashed the vbios with that of the 2024 Strix Scar 4090 and was able to get a Time Spy score of 18390 by a mixture of undervolting and overclocking at 175w fully unlocked. That being said, its not sustainable for long-term gaming fully maxed out like that. I find it much more sustainable around 150w and undervolted to play games that are very graphic intensive to keep the fan speed down. Armoury Crate is horrible, full stop. G-Helper does work significantly better for the dgpu, but yeah I haven't been adjusting the CPU at all. I think turbo mode really only impacts fan speed and settings you can preset. If you can show me where turbo mode changes anything else I'd be surprised. I just have to disagree with your take that this ruined the G16 series. This laptop is a huge step towards cooling technology and efficiency. It's a laptop that can get 9-10hrs battery life off-power for productivity work, come home and get massive fps for gaming when plugged in at 4k, and it weighs 4.30lbs. I will say that doing all the fine tuning myself took a lot of time, but I'm getting very similar performance of much more expensive laptops, and have the portability of a macbook.

@AMALJITH.A

13 күн бұрын

​@@HardwareCanucks as far as i know ghelper dev said it's best to not poke around the powerplan while using GHELPER. The app should run with default windows powerplan to properly work. You guys should try a clean windows install and try using GHELPER from the start

@wtfamidoingwithmylife1569

13 күн бұрын

G-helper uses the same ArmouryCrate service that Armoury crate uses. Unless asus does something about the service, G-helper will give the same damn issues.

@NIkon32x-om8dy

13 күн бұрын

@@wtfamidoingwithmylife1569 I went from 13800 stock Time Spy to 18390. That's over 33% performance improvement by doing all I did. After trying to tweak with AC. It's multiple factors here, but just has a lot of bloatware so I uninstalled it and opted for G-Helper.

Wanna point out that the thermal paste on the gpu is very bad on my m16 2022 rtx3070ti After repasting both cpu and gpu with ptm7950, performance increased tremendously. Do Check the temps of gpu and gpu clock while gaming

@AnujeetRoy09

13 күн бұрын

I JUST returned my M16 2022 because the fans were ramping up strangely and the laptop would immediately thermal throttle when trying to play any games. Probably going to follow the news on the 2024 G16, and see if I wanna buy it in a few years.

Hi, Did you have issue with high DPC latency? I seem to have it especially on battery power and silent mode. I started using Ghelper instead of Armoury Crate which seems to make the machine more reliable but maybe its just placebo.

is coil whine normal? my laptop also has but here is a thing i got thermal paste applied on that grey colored square box just above cpu chip and gpu chips on motherbooard. the grey thing which acts as powersupply for both chips. please let us know your thoughts is it my luck that whine disappeared or its logical ? please please answer. love from india

@gorjy9610

12 күн бұрын

Not logical as temperature rarely influence coil whine inside inductors (little "grey things" :)) but cooling them can only help prolonging life od the laptop. Something Asus should take care about during design, not you as end user but...bright new world we're living in.

It would be really nice if you could swap armory crate for G-Helper and do the tests again. G-Helper is basically a life saver for the G devices ...

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

It is and we tried it but no difference. Remember the devs of GHelper straight out say it doesn't change any baseline firmware hooks.

@mcslender2965

12 күн бұрын

​@@HardwareCanucksthe main GHelper dev just claimed in the comments section that he has never received contact from you guys though

I got a 2021 G14 a few years ago and I had a ton of issues, especially when Windows 11 first released (I waited until after they released the patch for AMD CPUs’ performance issues). I had crashes, I had this weird issue where the display would have like a white ring around it sometimes, and some other issues. Needless to say, after that, I kinda decided that, when it’s time to upgrade, I’ll probably try another brand to see if their driver support is any better. Also, kinda annoying I have to install third party software because Armory Crate is so jank.

Please try getting rid of armory crate and setting power profile through windows only. Would love to see the results.

How does the 4070 model compare with Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i? Especially in terms of speakers, performance, and fan noise under load and when idle? I think this would be a nice comparison because both are thin and light and have great screens and speakers. Asus has OLED with better colors and deep blacks, but Lenovo has higher brightness and resolution. Asus has a nice, centered keyboard, whereas Lenovo has a perfect numpad with Home, End, PgUp, PgDwn buttons at proper locations.

got the 4080 G16 Really enjoying it so far. My only gripe is actually in the fact that the Fn keys can't be swapped with media keys meaning I have to hold down the FN key every time I want to dim the keyboard/screen or pause/play media. Other than that the performance has been great and it's also very quiet in day to day use. for a 16" it also fits in much smaller bags than I would have imagined.

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

Install G-Helper, there’s an FN lock!

Well, I guess Lenovo wins again.

@falgunprajapati5273

13 күн бұрын

Still, confused between legion 7i vs ROG G14, pricing is kind of same, in Australia, with student discounts. But leaning towards G14, just because of portability.. and legion being too noisy, especially handling HX processors.. still a suggestion would be much better

Would love to see an update on this laptop in like a month or two regarding the issues about the "tug of war" between armory crate and the system and the fan issues.

I had one but had too many bugs and issues when playing games or doing things on external monitors...if you only use the descrete gpu then its fine but on external monitors using the integrated and switching to descrete is an issue. Dont even think of using a TB4 dock...I have the Caldigit TS4 and it kept trying to charge the laptop while it already had charger in the laptop. It also does not charge it at the top level it needs to perform fully so its annoying using it unless doing light tasks. After a week of having it, I loved looking at it and playing games on its OLED screen but when using for real productivity on an external monitor it was annoying. I ended up trading it for a 4080 Super and 7800X3D desktop build...I only really need a laptop for light web development not gaming so I will prolly get an LG Gram 17 inch or something for that...

I have one on order and have a week to decide with out return hassle! I was reading you can disable Armoury crate and use G-helper? Anyone’s thoughts on any other Asus laptops? Using for mobile unreal engine work.

@ethanj4479

13 күн бұрын

I picked mine up like 3 weeks ago. It is a big purchase but I was searching for 2 months because I want powerful laptop that would last a while since my 2018 spectre crapped out. So far I say there is no problem with mine. I have the 4060 32gb g16 and it’s fine. Fan noise isn’t that loud, games run fine, screen is amazing as well as keyboard and speakers. It does get hot but not a problem you will feel as the keyboard isn’t affected. The purpose I got mine for is light gaming and data analysis and so it’s amazing. Assuming you are wearing headphones I’m sure you’ll be fine.

@ethanj4479

13 күн бұрын

At the end of the day all these reviewers still need clicks. Their information is def valid but best you can do is open it up, make sure there is no factory defects, uninstall uneeded programs, and stress test with high demanding games and decide from there.

@ryanantonio3145

Күн бұрын

Returned the G16 and Bought the G14 on sale! Super happy with it!

Is the G14 4070 32GB RAM (2024) still worth it? Because I just ordered one and it's currently in the mail

Can you disable the e-cores? That might help with performance consistency.

What about G14, is your view still the same about that or it has changed too like G16???

finally the only reviewer that dont gatekeep concerning data. I also did many test and had the same problems, going from 4.41lb to 4.30lb is not even 10% and all the compromises are not worth it, if someone really needs for some reason something thinner than a 2023 g16 that is already thin enough for wathever reason, even a macbook is a better option even for battery, having bad gaming experience is worse that not having it at all im really concerned about the longevity, those aggresive ups and downs in performance tells us everything we need to know about this one, sad part its that lots of ppl will love the design and the cycle will come back when they see that their 2500ish usd laptops gets outpermored by way cheaper and older models, i would preffer a 2023/22 model and pair it with a big oled screen. thanks for the honest review, lots of resellers appreciate this kind of reviews

I got one of these a few weeks ago and really wanted to love it, but it had 5 bluescreens within the first week and constant annoying coil whine, which made me not even consider getting a replacement device.

I wouldn't mind the non-upgradable ram at all if only they had 32 gb of ram by default and had a 64gb variant and most other issues do seem to be fixable easily. This laptop was so close to being the perfect sleek gaming laptop

Thanks for your video, very nice. At the end of the day, do you recommend this laptop or suggest another one

What would you recommend otherwise instead of it if i want something as slim with as good or better battery life n good build quality and screen good for photography editing and 3d rendering n gaming?

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

Razer Blade 16....but you'll pay for it. Otherwise the Legion 7 series is a great option, just get it with a good add on warranty.

I would like to hear more about the power plan conflicts. Does the power allocated to the CPU and GPU change randomly over time? Or do you get unexpected power limits when you change a power plan only? The fps results you showed don't seem that bad. Given that it is thinner and lighter than many other laptops, one expects some compromise in performance. Does the power plan issue exist in the G14 as well? Also, it would be nice to hear the fan noise of the two models (with 4070 and 4070) to hear the difference between the 3-fan design and the vapor chamber. Are they both high-pitched compared to other laptops like Razer Blade 16? What about the fan noise during light use?

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

I tested this laptop (4090) for over two months with none of the issues mentioned in the video. I also cross referenced my benchmarks with other owners on Reddit and no one I know had a these issues either. So I’m not sure if it was his review units or something else! I used both Armoury Crate and G-Helper and found no differences or disparities

@aras_aras_aras_aras

12 күн бұрын

@@JoshCravesTech Good to hear this. Will you upload a review video for G16?

@JoshCravesTech

12 күн бұрын

@@aras_aras_aras_aras I will be very soon, yes!

Gj, and thanks for all hard work to make this review asngood as it is! Just one question, have you tried to uninstall Armory crate and install G-helper instead?...mby that solves porformance issues.

Does it come with 32GB of fast RAM? And does it run Linux?

Hey there HC, I did just purchase a G16 4070 version a few weeks ago. I'm not sure if this helps but in only 3 weeks I've already had 3 BIOS updates from ASUS via MyAsus. Currently I'm sitting on version .319 ... wondering if you guys used the same BIOS version for this testing? if not, perhaps you can repeat and let us know please?

@HardwareCanucks

12 күн бұрын

We tried official and unofficial versions but can confirm 319 was the latest public version we tried.

Nice to see a review that breaks away from the mold. Appreciate the work, folks!

I did buy this laptop. A couple of questions. How do you enable vrr? And do you think the armoury crate updates will come to this laptop? Or just the next one

You use armory crate, so you already have a big problem there. Every Zephyrus laptop owner who knows how to setup their device install G Helper instead to mitigate most of the problems you point out. I know you have to review devices "out of the box", but you could at least have mentionned it.

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

G Helper does not overcome fundamental firmware related communication issues between software and hardware. They use the same firmware hooks as Armory Crate, though in a streamlined format.

is the HDMI port hooked up only to the dGPU?

Turned my 2021 Zeph 14 with 6900HS + RTX 3060 into my OTG Linux gaming laptop, and havent had any issues since getting rid of Windows.

I have G16 4070 and I just received BIOS update v319. Maybe this will help.

how would be gaming on the 16gb ram variant?? I want gaming performance to be the best , but do i really need to spend 700$ more for 32 gb ram??

I just got the I7 4070 version with 32 gb RAM (1999 euro incl tax). Your main gripe seems to be in how the I9 interacts with armory crate leading to all sorts of evil. However, do you think this may be very different in an I7 version? I havent seen any reviews on the I7 but so far no complaints, was playing Total War Warhammer 3 and it was a delight.

I’m actually looking for 2023 G16, with 4060, is the battery any good?

@karanvora2674

13 күн бұрын

Its decent. I have the same model

How are others "playing it safe"? The Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i has the same Intel Core Ultra 9 185H with Nvidia 40 series GPU. What do you mean at 1:31?

@cameronbosch1213

9 күн бұрын

And 64 GB of RAM as an option.

so is the blade 16 4090 worth it to avoid the headaches?

i got the g16 2024 32gb ram 1tb 4060 rtx i had an issue when sometimes my screen flickers out of nowhere, im always bothers me i updated windows and my gpu still ocassionaly does that

I took mine back and got the Lenovo 7i 16. I had huge issues with Lightroom lagging and chrome constant crashes. Protools wouldn't function at all.

I missed not having the Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i 2024 in this comparison as it has the same ultra9 and 4070 option.

I wonder what the pixel substructure is like on these laptop OLEDs? RGB? Triangle? Certainly not QD OLED. Noone seems to mention this...

@MKR3238

13 күн бұрын

similiar to qd oled, rgb but a different layout with a very big blue subpixel

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

S-Stripe. It is apparently one of the best for text clarity and burn-in prevention from what I hear

What's an acceptable price for the 4080 model? May grab on BF

I have an Asus ROG Strix G531GT from a few years ago. It's been a pretty good laptop overall with some caveats. I have a similar issue with Armory Crate and windows power options fighting each other often. Every reboot reverts the windows power option to Power Saver and all power plan options are missing until I create a custom plan then switch back to High Performance. I have a USB mouse connected to it and when moving it the laptop always emits a kind of whine or something which could be coil whine but I don't know. The fans in it are decent but selecting High Performance in Armory Crate lets the fans get pretty loud and if I select Turbo then all hell breaks loose. I've considered getting a higher spec gaming laptop recently but gaming laptops just seem to have too many compromises especially with noise levels. It just doesn't seem worth it to me.

Still using my 2021 G15, 5900hs+3080, no reason to upgrade, mayyybe when rtx 5000 series come out. Thanks for review.

I just got my g16 4080 model the other day and I must say this laptop is more of a productivity and everyday use laptop. Light gaming is possible and media consumption is by far the best part about this laptop. The screen is hands down the best laptop screen on the market currently. I got this laptop for school and productivity purposes, if your main use for this laptop is gaming I would stick to something more gaming focused such as the strix series.

@andyH_England

13 күн бұрын

I agree, and I think that is where ASUS is pushing it now. Competing in the Macbook demographic covering creators, pros workflows and people that will pay extra for a premium laptop. There are many better gaming laptops or even a desktop if your user case allows it.

@cameronbosch1213

9 күн бұрын

The Strix series has piss poor battery life though.

can someone please tell me how to find the video playing on the screen in the background 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Which processor is better Ryzen 9 8945HS or Core ultra 9 185H ??

I know you guys have to test these things with the software they have out of the box, but I recently found G-Helper for ASUS laptops. It seems to stop any of the power option issues stemming from Armoury Crate and also has a much better interface for tweaking settings. You can even set a temp limit and manually adjust fan curves. I had a STRIX G15 Advantage that ran great until the liquid metal TIM shorted out the GPU. ASUS replaced it WELL outside of warranty with a TUF F15, awesome customer support. Pretty decent upgrade from my old machine too, but sometimes the performance was lacking. Even when plugged in the power settings would act up and I'd be CPU limited like crazy, resulting in lower performance than the machine it replaced. Armoury Crate is the worst software on the market and ASUS should adopt something simpler and lightweight like G-Helper.

Can they make G16 with AMD then its a buy. Asus should reduce their product lines (like Apple) and so the engineer can really spend time to refine the software

@SCA84

12 күн бұрын

They will according to the Computex leaks. But it'll only be available up to the 4070 model.

@NinjaKirikoJedi

11 күн бұрын

@@SCA84 great news, hopefully there a 32g option with the 4070

@SCA84

11 күн бұрын

@@NinjaKirikoJedi It will come with 32GB of RAM according to a leaked South African listing.

@cameronbosch1213

9 күн бұрын

​@@SCA84 Can ANYBODY make a good 4080 laptop this year!?

As someone who has an original g14 from 2020 that still has (and will continue to have) major battery and dgpu issues with a history of a thousand different bugs etc., I am not surprised by this one having software issues.

please make a video in case they fix these problems i am considering buying this amazing loptop but now im a bit worried

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

I’ve never had any of the issues he experienced. I’ve also cross-referenced with many other owners and this is the first I’ve heard of it was this review

@MHRSHXD

13 күн бұрын

​ @JoshCravesTech what about the web cam sound jittering problem cuz i do a lot of video call and meetings that's one of the most concerning issues for me and you say the processor is ok and there isn't that much of a problem?

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

@@MHRSHXD yeah never experienced that either, and yeah processor was never a problem

I bought this laptop, and I am still within the return period since I have 90 days. My experience has been super laggy. Even just when turning on the computer and starting to do tasks, the computer just lags . I'm not sure what to do, I have disabled everything that is not needed. Don't know if I have a bad sample.

The lack of upgradable option or atleast ram slot is an easy skip. Guess i have to stick with lenovo thinkpad p16

Should I get ASUS - ROG Zephyrus G16 (2024) 16" OLED with 32 gb of ram and the 4090 or should i get the Alienware x16 R2 Gaming Laptop with the Intel core ultra i9 processor 185H , 4090 with 16 GB GDDR6 , 32 Gb of RAM, 2 TB of storage

That's not how you show a correlation. We don't see anything with bar graphs. I suggest a scatter plot with the x axis being the power [W] and the y axis being the frame rate [FPS]. Each point on the plot represents a run then you put a dotted line to show the upward correlation

I own the 2024 4080 g16 model and am not experiencing these issues at all. Performance has been great and consistent, I set my windows default power modes all to max and just make sure it open armory crate after booting and switch to turbo. Not a concern for me, it’s just like toggling icue on my tower

Interesting. I bought the 32gb 4070 model with the core ultra 9 185 and it works flawlessly . I run benchmark tests using time spy, cinebench r23 and cinbebench r24 with various power modes and they're quite consistent. Done 2-3 of each mode so far over the last few weeks. No high pitch whine anywhere to be found. I get a timespy score of around 11900+- on turbo (sometimes will get to 12050 or so, but mostly hovers around 11900), cinebench I forget the scores but they were consistent. Overall, I'm extremely satisfied; I love this laptop

The performance issue sounds easily addressable with driver updates, right? they can fix the Windows fighting with the armory crate for performance right?

@JoshCravesTech

13 күн бұрын

They may have already. Never experienced any of this on my unit

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

We remained updated with Asus (who were able to reproduce our issues) until a few days before this video went live. There were no changes. We've been at this for the better part of 15 years now and we understand when there is an inherent Windows / AMD / Intel issue that a good partner doesn't want to divulge. This has all the hallmarks of that....

Hey there, firstly, thanks for this in-depth review! I always enjoy these type of quality reviews. I have to say, I am a bit confused with this review, though. It feels like the verdict is quite negative (title says it all, lol). On the other hand, no real competitor in this 16inch thin gaming segment gets mentioned to be superior. The verdict seems a bit too harsh in my opinion. Especially since the only real alternative is a Blade 16, which costs even more and is tank in comparison. Yes, the wobbly screen and some armoury crate issues are known. But the performance issues you faced seem super odd to me. I have literally watched every review about this device on YT, and this is by far the most different one when it comes to performance evaluation. I am wondering whether you got two bad units or every other channel is not telling the truth in their review about said performance evaluation. According to you, what would be a better alternative? After all, there are no real competitors to this device but the Blade. The build quality, display and performance in this form factor is practically unbeaten - Hence why I think the title is a bit too harsh ...

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

We're glad you brought this up. The 16" thin gaming segment is very much an emerging category that won't be fully fleshed out until well into 2025 with Strix Point and Lunar Lake laptops. We have to remember 16" 16-10 screens are still in their infancy so it will take a while for the market itself to catch up. Right now you have a few options. The Legion 7/5, Zephyrus G16, Blade 16 or Omen Transcend. None of which we would recommend due to the leaps forward coming later this year into next year on the CPU side. Hope that helps!

Does G helper fix this issue? Anyone know?

No mention about yoga pro 9i in your intro ? It’s def not the only device with Ultra + 40 RTX series This device definitely has competitors, they are just less advertised

It is nice that Asus put all fast ports on this device. I've seen some high end laptops this year with usb c ports at 3.2 gen1 speed, which is unacceptable for a usb c port, nevermind usb a. So the fact that even the usb a ports are all at gen2 speeds, and we get uhs-ii speed on the sd card reader, AND it's a full size reader; that is all refreshing. What isn't refreshing is the fact that you gave Asus multiple weeks to give a substantive response to the power management issues in games, and they came up with crickets? You would think they would send another sample, but they must know that the issue is not unit specific but rather persistent across all units. And I agree with you that it feels like Asus got so much positive publicity from the early reviews of this device that that is good enough for them, and they are on to developing and testing for the next generation instead of fixing whatever issue may be occurring with this device. And the fact that it is a software issue that seems to be fixable, that is a quite disheartening....

is the issue been fixed?

I don't understand the drive toward really thin laptops - especially when it seems to come at the expense of expandability (i.e. memory, WIFI, etc).

@andyH_England

12 күн бұрын

Some people value thinner and lighter over upgradeability. It seems perverse that people want upgradeability to get faster RAM and storage in five years. Yet, if performance is essential, the bottleneck for performance after five years will be far more significant on the older CPU, GPU and neural engine!

@cameronbosch1213

9 күн бұрын

​@andyH_England CAMM2 though. And there's a point of diminishing returns. Just look how badly consumers are treating the 2024 XPS lineup, and for good reason!

So what laptop is still good rn? Compared to this like 2k max for edits and little games

@karanvora2674

13 күн бұрын

2023 G16 or M16

@samsara7598

13 күн бұрын

@@karanvora2674 i dont like noise tho

@karanvora2674

13 күн бұрын

@samsara7598 I mean yeah but that's some compromise you'll need to mas

I got the G16, and love it. I got it to replace my MacBook Pro for work. The subtle design, impeccable display and build, perhaps the best speakers, and a very familiar keyboard makes it a productivity powerhouse. The battery lasts a good deal too for work… I haven’t even charged it in 2 days and it still has some juice (only used it for 3 hours each day though). Gaming is a bit disappointing (but I know that the 4070 is disappointing to begin with)- but not impossible or bad. Was averaging 60FPS on RT High at native resolution CP77 without frame gen. I got it mainly for casual games like sims 4 on the go, and get 120+FPS. I never saw a dip from 140FPS in COD at balanced settings, native resolution. Heck I am also averaging 80+ FPS in Flight Simulator at Ultra 1600p. Now in no way is this my gaming machine, I got it for its portability and power. I already have a 4090 desktop. But it’s still respectable in performance, and will more than suit my needs when I’m away from home on trips and travel. In summary - the G14 and G16 are both MacBook killers in the office and school workspace. And they also do gaming which is far fetched on a productivity machine even running windows, let alone macOS

Why I can't customizate my order for 4070 + vapor chamber?..

I bough Asus ROG Zephyrus G16 (2022) in December and I am more than happy with the choice. Sometimes a bit louder. But cooling system works and I can play basicay everything. On it's 16" display I don't need every DLSS+ sh*t's ON in RDR2 or something like that. For my work and web browsing and playing games it works still amazing. I was sceptical at first, because I never had a laptop before. But due to my job and traveling I just had to. Happy with my choice so far and I would not change my pick if I could. Only negatives are for me heating loud system. But it works. Yes, it's hot af in the center right abow the keyboard when you play something that requires power. But everywhere else it's cooling really well. And for this reason I have another negative and it's USB slots. You get only two of'em. One on each side. So you can plug in mouse, then headphones and that's it. But nothing some poor reduction cannot solve. Dsiplay, sound, power, it's all really good. I understand there are people withh money who need the best option every single year. But not me I guess. Not for 3K or even 4. And another thing was that in my country they are not selling 2024 models and you was not able to find 2023 models as well. Only M14 models I think.

Hello! Have you tried G-helper instead of AC? To me - G-helper works better for my zephyrus 2023 model. That might be the case for 2024 model as well.

@blessingadi7181

13 күн бұрын

Could I get your settings I have the same model

@HardwareCanucks

13 күн бұрын

Yes we tried G Helper which didn't work and even reached out to the developers back in March.

@merweeshannel5190

6 күн бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks That's a shame. Been thinking for a while to upgrade for that aluminium case with the 4070 or 4080 and the difference between the two is around 1200 dollars which is a lot but with these problems i'll probably just stick to 2023 edition and wait for rtx 5000 series

@merweeshannel5190

6 күн бұрын

@@blessingadi7181 i just stick to gpu mode to ultra and if i am going to work then just change it to stardart. That way i can minimise the lag and the game experience is overall becomes better. As for cpu - it doesn't really matter. Mine doesn't take more that 50-55 wats of power. In games i just stick to turbo with undervolted gpu and +1000 to memory clock speed and cpu limit to 80w and cpu boost to agressive (which it will never reach) that way it stays relatively cool and moderately loud. When it's just light load then stick to balance or quiet mode with no boost to cpu and 65w p1 limit.

BIOS version 319 has been released. Did you test it with that version?

@HardwareCanucks

10 күн бұрын

As mentioned numerous times, yes.

Do you really think they'll showcase a refresh in Computex this year? I don't think that's what Asus usually does.

Seeing how virtually every gaming laptop producer and workstation laptop producer has been shooting themselves in the foot lately, it makes me even more happy to have gone for a framework 16. This thing is absolutely amazing and has no forced RGB gimmicks either.

maybe sth to include in these benchmark situations is the standard deviation value

Shame it has these issues, and there have been some similar complaints. At least in my region there is a 32gb 4060 version. Seems like the g14 is ironed out and this is rough around the edges. Potentially still fixable but seems unlikely

Do a comparison with Lenovo Yoga 9i Pro

I bought the G14 2024 model instead because I found the G16 screen to be too wobbly and the battery life wasn't as good I am guessing because of the Intel CPU they opted for.

Soldered ddr5 x RAM, this happens with all Asus products. The armory crate is always in a battle. If you uninstall it then you lose certain capabilities. I have a 12700H with the 3070. I run multiple benchmarks in the same exact issue is happening. The only way I've been able to control it is to use the Intel utility, which overrides the armory crate. But Windows continues to step in. So I'm using Intel utility MSI afterburner and fan control. In lieu of using armory crate.

You prefer g14 or g16?

Asus may add an AMD sku of the g16 later this year. That may be the perfect version of this laptop. Appreciate the review guys.

I have 56gb of ram in my g14 2022. I am not giving up upgradeable RAM until 5000s GPUs.

Soldered RAM makes it a hard pass for me. I know several companies are doing that, but that's not a small loss in terms of flexibility and future proofing.

This is why I don’t buy a laptop until it’s reviewed by Hardware Canucks! ❤

@master_uniquely_xd7998

13 күн бұрын

That's true

That RAM situation is a big bummer, hopfully they fix that and other performance issues so i can upgrage from my g15 advantage

I understand the latency and speed benefits of LPDDR5X, but for a gaming laptop, I think that I would easily sacrifice the small framerate improvements for user upgradable ram. Any gaming laptop over 2000 USD should automatically come with 32GB of RAM IMO. (most people would probably argue that at an even lower price point).

I just got the 4090 model, I sent one back due to QC issue that causes poor GPU performance. However, my new model works perfectly but is significantly weaker than the 4090 blade 16 by about a 20 percent margin.

I bought one 2 months ago. I bought it to use it as a developer machine for AI/Machine Learning projects so I wanted to run Linux as my main OS flavor. However, there was poor driver support and I ended up returning the laptop. On Windows I thought things were good *after* a BIOS update. BIOS update fixed some of the annoyances. I also did a full fresh install of Windows 11.

@CristianTacoronteRivero

5 күн бұрын

have you tried linux again? I was just thinking about buying this laptop to develop data and ML projects

I've been trying to find a laptop and I've had a couple Meteor Lake Intel chips and they have given me a lot of issues. I personally wouldn't recommend them

my strix g15 with a 3070 & a 5900hx died two weeks ago, it boots up & stays in windows for a few minutes & then freezes and the screen turns black & nothing fixes it always the same thing.. even after formatting it freezes during windows installation i got a different ssd with windows installed on it and still five minutes in freezes and i have to force it off.. i tried everything even changing the ram sticks, removing the battery, changing the ssd hell i even replaced the wifi card not to mention repasting both the cpu & gpu and the vrms around them even though it never overheated in the first place. i actually lost my first job just a few days ago cuz i relied on the machine to do my work.. sucks how i spent all my savings on it and now i have laptop that doesn’t work.. never getting an asus laptop again

@andyH_England

12 күн бұрын

I had issues with ASUS and no longer consider them a sensible purchase. They get a lot of fans due to being of more value (in the past), but lower prices can mean lesser QC, so many of us need to learn the hard way.