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This is very inaccurate. The Bene gesserit didn’t just tell people to have daughters. They told JESSICA to have a daughter. It’s DUKE Leto, not king Leto. Earth is completely forgotten in the universe by everyone other than those who have endured the spice agony and have ancestral memory. Paul’s jihad doesn’t cause the fall of the empire. In fact, his son-Leto II-is god emperor for thousands of years after Paul.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

K bet, I did make a mistake with Leto. A minor oversight. But as for the rest of your comment, you either didn't listen to what I actually said in the video are are misinterpreting what I said lol

@joelsommers

7 ай бұрын

I don't think old earth is completely forgotten. Don't we have several references by non-spice consumers to how the "cradle of humanity" had been rendered unlivable, etc.?

@MidSizedSusquatch

Ай бұрын

​@@OrangeRiver some people's children, right 😂😂😂😂

Frank Herbert s Dune series has always been the most interesting books I've read in years. Especially since each succeeding book destroys any preconceptions of the last book

Great video! A small correction, the messianic figure in the Fremen religion was called Mahdi, not Muad'Dib. You can see this in the subtitles from the 2021 film at 3:29 in your video, where the group of Fremen are discussing whether they believe Paul is the Mahdi. Muad'Dib is the Fremen name Paul chose for himself. The name Muad'Dib becomes important to the Fremen religion later once Paul establishes himself as the messiah.

Cool. As a fan of both universe's it's great to see you expanding into Dune.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Glad you’re covering this. Dune is my favorite universe/story by far.

@beepboop204

7 ай бұрын

Dune and 40k were both introduced to me because of the cool brother of my other nerd friend

My personal favorite bit of head canon is that Dune and Battletech are different time periods of the same universe.

@markgray2917

6 ай бұрын

I agree...battletech is ancient history in the Dune universe👀...long lodt pre history 😅

That people don't call it the Duniverse is driving me crazy!

@Emanon...

7 ай бұрын

They do. But not us hardcore fans. It's too cute a name, I guess...

About 20 years ago I was online pointing out how I thought Dune had parallels with Oil and Islam, and someone argued that had nothing to do with Frank Herbert's writing and that I was wrong.

@genmaicha.lapsang

7 ай бұрын

It's also a parallel for the real world spice trade and tea/coffee trades as well. Also, I wouldn't call it a parallel to Islam, when the Fremen and later another group are explicitly stated to be following some form of Islam.

It was a weird shock to see a Dyson Logos map in this video. Good choice.

0:30 Getting some serious Armored Core VI vibes from this artwork.

Petition to get an Orange River Catholic Bible

The coolest thing about Frank Herbert's DUNE universe is how anchored it is in real world physics and understanding. Despite its obviously fantastical elements, the bulk of the world building still regards atomic weapons as the pinnacle of destructive power, just for instance. Also, the DUNE universe never introduces alien beings. All the factions and forces are evolved from earthly humans. DUNE lore aligns with reality in that so far, we know of no other intelligence in our galaxy. These are such fresh takes, even now, some 50 years after Frank Herbert published his first DUNE novel.

Great video. Dune has been hard for me to wrap my brain around.

@mrgreatbigmoose

6 ай бұрын

You're not the first. Great videos like this one from Orange River do help a lot!

The light going out is a perfect segue into an episode on the Matrix series.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Haha thanks! I made a video about The Matrix, but people didn't click on it smh

@RyuuKageDesu

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeRiver You did! Wasn't there a big issue with the algorithm, at that time? I'm seeing a few that I'm going back, to watch, now that I see the ones I missed.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I've gotten the impression that large swathes of my audience, bizarrely, have only ONE interest (Star Trek) lol. But I've had a few non-Trek videos break through! That one just flew under the radar, it seems XD

Many thanks for this cool video - much appreciated!

omgggg i am so excited for this one, ty orangeriver

17:33 Green River just dropped He may or maybe not be a Romulan spy though 👀

I just hope humans are still around in 20,000 years.

@totalCoolerUsername

7 ай бұрын

In fact Dune takes place even further in the future; those 20,000 years are counted after the formation of the Navigator Guild

@Emanon...

7 ай бұрын

It really depends on how we've chosen to live in our society. Federation? Hell yes. Blade Runner corporate hellscape. Fuck no. Better die out and give someone else a shot.

@motokid6008

7 ай бұрын

@@Emanon... - I think The Expanse is a great look at where we'll be in a few hundred years. New technology same problems. I believe the human condition will plague us for all time. But we can still go on. Even Star Trek has its shades of grey in its depiction of the future for humans and thats the best thing we can hope for. There will never be utopia.

@RyanHaney55

7 ай бұрын

@@Emanon... Haha, true.

@joelsommers

7 ай бұрын

I'm with you. Despite all of our flaws and tendencies toward destruction and resource depletion, humanity is still so utterly remarkable, unlike anything else we've ever seen. It is possible that intelligent life is either so rare that we never encounter any other exemplars of it, or even stranger, we may be the only instance of it in our galaxy. To quote Asimov, either possibility is stunning. We have a responsibility to try not to self-extinct and instead to propagate ourselves out across the solar system and galaxy. If we are the only game in town, then let's not play to lose.

I keep trying to get them to name the new sequel 2 Dunegerous, but for some reason the studio isn't answering any of my letters.

@joelsommers

7 ай бұрын

I wanted them to call it DUNGEROUS LIAISONS, but they ignored me too.

Great video. I read this series back in the 70's. Surprised you didn't mention the fact that much of the Warhammer 40K Universe borrows heavily from Herbert's Dune. Its even darker (MUCH darker) and more dystopian, plus it has aliens (which all humans automatically hate because we're bigots LOL).

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

I've been aware of the parallels between Dune and WH40K...would be a really interesting universe to dive into!

@WaylandYT

7 ай бұрын

It only clicked for me when he mentioned the "purge of all AI" in the distant past. I do hope there is a deep dive later on with so many parallels to draw between the galaxy spanning empires kept connected via forms of FTL that require a special connection only navigators can provide.

@genmaicha.lapsang

7 ай бұрын

@@WaylandYT Just wait until you read, "God Emperor of Dune."

@marktaylor6553

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeRiver Yeah, 40K Human Imperium makes the Dune one look like a tea party by comparison. It has layers upon layers of dark. But there is also the fantasy element - instead of 'Spice', the Guild Pilots need to make pacts with dark powers and risk going insane ('hyperspace' is literally a version of hell you have to travel through LOL). Its weird, but very well-done.

I scare people with my enthusiasm for Dune. If it gets mentioned I start yappin

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

lol

@genmaicha.lapsang

7 ай бұрын

May the God Emperor's great sacrifice me remembered always!

In antiquity, ‘melange’ was a word for ‘variety.’ In Dune, the spice melange extends life. So, variety is the spice of life? :)

Every time I see DUNE written that way I ask myself, "Why did they name it DUNC? Paul is the hero of the story, not Duncan."

@mrgreatbigmoose

6 ай бұрын

Pop forwards a few books in the series and the idea of Duncan becomes important again.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction" - Ronald Reagan. Can't say I agree with all he said, but this rings true.

Love your videos man. Great job summing all that up in 20min. Dune is a giant can of worms to open. Pun.. somewhat intended. Also the backlight sync on my monitor loves your videos too. :)

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Haha thanks!

Hey hey thanks for covering Dune! It’s a great universe: there are however a few lore errors made in the video. 1) Muad'Dib is one one of Paul’s Freman names but isn’t the name the Freman use to denote their messiah. 2) In the current story it’s true that Jessica was ordered to have a daughter, denying Duke Leto an heir but it isn’t true, as stated in the video, that Bene Gesserit only produce daughters. 3) Bene Gesserit don’t use telepathy nor telekinesis within the novel nor movie. 4) Leto isn’t a king, he’s a duke. Thanks again for the video!

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I know others have mentioned some of these facts, although I'd respond with a few counters of my own: 1) It is true that they refer to him as Mahdi initially but they do accept his usage of the name Muad'Dib. 2) By "all these important people" I was more so referring to the 10,000-year-long Bene Gesserit breeding program. 3) By invoking telekinesis and telepathy, I'm reiterating my general take on "mind powers" in science fiction (a category which The Voice falls under imo). 4) Granted, although dukes and kings are often of equivalent status ;) Some of these might be copes but there was a basis for them lol

@moeshe3746

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeRiver Hey 👋!! Thanks for replying. You make some fair points! Further, when rereading my comment it sounded more critical than I’d intended: your videos are excellent-both informative & entertaining! I particularly have enjoyed the cultural/history videos you do on some Trek species. I do have one more item to throw out there-I somehow keep getting unsubscribed to your channel. It seems to happen pretty regularly. Your videos stop being listed on my main feed as is typical right after I subscribe. I haven’t had much of a short term memory since turning 40 so I don’t notice until something reminds that I haven’t seen one of your vids in a while. This time the reminder was when I started rewatching season 3 of Picard. Anyway I checked last night and sure enough I was unsubscribed again. Sorry to bother you about the issue if it’s just me-or I’m somehow accidentally unsubscribing-but I thought maybe it was something other subscribers were experiencing as well. Thanks again for the channel and content! Take care.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm not sure what would be causing that. I do know that KZread is not recommending my videos to as many new viewers as they used to, though that comes and goes in waves. If it keeps happening, may just have to keep checking my channel page every week for new content

Orange River ends in all green. Outstanding.

Although I like aspects of Dune i do have several issues with it too. Unfortunately if I explained them then I'd give away spoilers.. Even though I've watched a few people cover the lore of Dune I really enjoyed this. It's a great introduction for those of your viewers who haven't explored Dune.

My boiiii I love me some Dune

i watched the new remake and missed a lot of this information . i didnt realize how detailed the world of dune is !

I am glad that I subscribe to Orange River thank you very much

Part 1 REALLY! Felt like a part 1 It’s a good movie I loved the Barron.

I don't have the same awe for the New movie that everyone else does. I live in Montreal Canada and the media here was reporting on the movie EVERY SINGLE DAY...I was already oversaturated by the time the 1st teaser poster came out. I know the director is French Canadian, but you'd think he was THE GREATEST DIRECTOR EVER! Sheesh. I've seen it, and I'm looking forward to the conclusion of one of my most beloved stories, just not feeling the hype like many others. Oh well. 🤘😁🖖🇨🇦

It's really amazing how much 40k completely ripped off DUNE.

@genmaicha.lapsang

7 ай бұрын

May the God Emperor's Great sacrifice be remembered always!

Oh man OrangeRiver covering Frank Herbert? I'm in ❤

To be clear, the Holtzman Effect, which is the science behind the personal shields and spacefold drives, has nothing to do with the spice melange. But in order to safely navigate space with the spacefold technology, one must be a guild navigator capable of calculating safe paths between the stars. And the guild navigators require hyper exposure to the spice to elevate their minds to level capable of the mathematics and prescience needed to navigate through those paths.

❤❤❤ I've said it before and I'll say it again. You and Quinn's ideas are the best shows on the YT.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Can you talk about Arthur c. Clarks odyssey novel series? Surprised no one even mentioned about this obscure stuff.

There is not really a pan universal religion since, Islam, Judaism and others exist and are referred to as separate things. The Dune Encyclopedia was never written by Frank Herbert.

@ 10:15 oh no, tell me the Sandworms don't fart oxygen

Love your videos, but nerd correction Duke* not King Leto Atreides. Keep up the great work!

I already know everything about the FH Dune books, but I enjoy your take on things.

Great video that mentioned real life exoplanets and how human culture would diversify over time and distance. I hit sub right after that 🎉

@ 17:38 ENGAGE BORG MODE

Thanks!

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Aw thank you!!

@sebastiandeka

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeRiver Thank YOU! Million thanks! Your videos are gold!

Love it (pause) I'll see you next time. Live long & prosper 🖖

It is not plausible to achieve quantum levels of computing on a personal level through biology alone and certainly not through eugenics... as if it was even plausible for us to desire and pursue it... Which it also isn't. To add insult to any that hold the notion, imagine ignoring math to make the perfect mathematician. Literally priceless.

Just make God Emperor

You sir have deserved a comment and a like.

The orange river runs through it.

"A species that colonized the galaxy would be peaceful, because they overcame their bigotry..." Or, they embraced their bigotry and became supreme by wiping out their enemies, then moved out into the galaxy.

@joelsommers

7 ай бұрын

Maybe a lil bit 'a both?

My only question is, "What are the Navigators?' Are saying they're human? Well that's two questions?! But your site is dedicated to the scifi public interest so I'm sure you can handle it. As for the rise and fall of empires, sounds very Battlestar Galactica! As for your cool lighting, it's perfect for your Section 31 guy!

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

They're mutated humans yep :0

The miniseries was pretty awesome. Way better than the '84 movie. I'd argue it's still better than the new movie

I loved the first two Dune novels. I actually really like the first Butlerian Jihad novel as well. Everything else, not so much.

As the worlds biggest Dune freak and the official arbiter of accurate takes on Dune, anyone saying you're being inaccurate with this video is being pedantic. Better than like 99% of the videos that try to describe the lore. Also, you get points for not going into Brian Herbert crap with the Butlarian Jihad. Original conception of it is more interesting and mysterious than the derivative terminator plot the Brian's ghost writer came up with.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much mechareaper! Yeah pedantic comments are something I brace myself for every time I upload a video LMAO

@mechareaper

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I guess you kind of have to if you're covering Star Trek lol @@OrangeRiver

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

😂

DUn€ was the only film I watched in 2021.

great video to watch before the movie

beard looks thicker than usual

@rafathegafa

7 ай бұрын

Winter coat

👍

We're did you get those Dune Starmaps? I've been looking for years...could you please send me the link, Thanks 😊

@OrangeRiver

6 ай бұрын

They're on the wiki! dune.fandom.com/wiki/Known_Universe

Another Stellar video, what about halo, could you do the same for that franchise?

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

I think Halo deserves a place on my channel! I'm not sure how soon I'd get to it though ;)

Being the Star Trek snob that I am, I almost didn't watch. But I'm glad I did. 🙂

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Me too! If only KZread would actually recommend this video to more people, that would be great too :/

Super informative. Also very entertaining. I was wondering if it would be possible, to make a vid on the aliens from the tv series Alien Nation. I loved that show growing up.

Orange is the new ... orange!

One small nitpick iirc the Butlerian Jihad was more about being enslaved by the machines and those had control of the machines. Also that last look, looks pretty good, try color grading to orange and see how that looks

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

This is accurate, although it was still preceded by what I described in the video--humans becoming integrated with technology to a worrying degree

DUKE Leto!!

Love Dune but I wish the Dune universe would show more economic struggle; like civilizations that collapse without spice melange. Because if for some reason spice just disappeared from the universe, all Dune civilizations would seem to do alright without interstellar travel. Also how computers hasn’t been reinvented one one of these planets in all this time is unbelievable.

@genmaicha.lapsang

6 ай бұрын

These very things are explored in the other 5 books. Particularly the 4-6th. Especially, "God Emperor of Dune."

Where in Dune do they mention telekinesis?

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

It's a pretty logical extension of what "The Voice" is to me. But I know Dune fans disagree

Don’t really care about Dune but I like his vibe.

Is this re-upload with modifications?

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Yep! I wanted to redo it in my main style.

@Feefa99

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeRiver cool, hopefully you'll continue in Dune videos, there are never not enough channels focus on it.

I miss all the whispers in the new movie

Humans rose up because they were enslaved by machines and cyborgs

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

This is true, but it was preceded by what I stated in the video--humans becoming integrated with technology to a worrying degree

The view that imperialism and monarchy are the "default" of humanity is shortsighted. The rise of empires and kingdoms is a fraction of human history - the entirety of our hunter/gatherer existence was one of direct democracy, mutualism, and anarchism (not the generic "chaos" kind, but the actual idea of anarchism). Kings are the anomaly, not democracy.

@genmaicha.lapsang

7 ай бұрын

Almost all tribal societies are extremally hierarchal, patriarchal and filled with endemic warfare and violence. There was no anarchism at all.

Really interesting video. I might push back against your idea that anticolonialist sci fi is somehow pessimistic. Its obviously a matter of perspective but I beleive that warning of potential pitfalls in our future by looking to examples of our past is an optomistic perspective. Its just one that comes from a sense of pragmatism and aknowledgement that utopia is a goal to strive to rather something you can ever be. Imagining that collonialism of the future will somehow be better than colonialism of the past without changing any of the mechanics that drive it in contrast seems almost distopianly pessamistic and naive to me.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video, but I hope you haven't gotten the impression that I'm somehow...in favor of colonialism (???) LOL But I do hear what you're saying though. Dune is definitely a warning against not changing our ways, just as Star Trek is a glimpse into what we could achieve 😎

here u go..?

Dude you need to go full Bruce willis ...

I tried to map out everyone's motivation in the first book, and i dont think that the Atreides were eying the throne. I think they were liberal-minded and that made them popular in the Laandstrahd (I know, I spelled that wrong). The ones with the eye on the throne are the Harkonnens but they are playing a long game. They persuade the Emperor to "favour" the Atreides by giving them Dune, only for the "jealous" Harkonnens to steal it back...all while the Emperor appears only on the sidelines. It does not go according to plan.

oh dang. thats it?

Given the source material in where the story goes, how can you even portray it with human actors?

Too bad you didn't go into the plausibility of the Honoured Matres and their dominatrix sex powers....yes the last 3 books are reallllly weird.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Haha

The world of Dune? Where is this planet? Do they use worker bees?

@titan-1802

7 ай бұрын

Dune itself is mostly set on the Fictional Desert Planet of Arrakis (also known as Dune), and accordingly it orbits the A9 II Star, Canopus. all the way in the Constellation of Carina.

that lighting is very borg of you

Great video but, King Leto?

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

I mean, a minor oversight on my part ;)

@ryanodoherty4090

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeRiver and a major promotion for Leto haha

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

lol

@jimmysmith2249

7 ай бұрын

For all intents and purposes, though, in an empire like that, the dukes would be akin to kings under the emperor.

Man. I can't wait for Dune 2

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Same. A shame that Warner Bros. is being so greedy

*Duneiverse.

Since we're already slipping into Feudalism 2.0 today, I could definitely see it tens of thousands of years from now.

Duke Leto NOT King. Mahdi NOT Maudib. Paul choose the 2nd name.

The common misrepresentation of the last 200 - 250 yrs is to call ANY STATE that uses some type of a "Representative Vote" (even if very minor or "preliminary") a "democracy". When in fact the only REAL democracy was the original democracy of Ancient Greece (i.e.: Athens & its Delian League allies). Even then only Men & Men who owned property could vote (I'm not including the small "direct democracies" of the Swiss Canton's as being so minor as to almost not count). A democracy is only a real democracy if it is a pure democracy (or "direct democracy"). Only a pure democracy can give "one man, one vote" & then the winning vote rules the day regardless of the consequences of the vote. It is this "democratic" mechanism which has been described as approaching dangerously close to the ethos of Mob Rule. America is a shinning example of how the Founding Fathers specifically rejected a "democracy" for the founding of America (stating that it would eventually devolve into mob rule) & instead chose a Representative Republic (w/ "checks & balances" to avoid a mob-like winner-takes-all democracy rule). A Republic in which local "popular voting" elects Local Politicians to represent constituents locally at their state capital & other politicians to go to D.C. & "Represent" their state (or as many back then called their state, "their country") at the national federal level. Their wisdom has been proven-out in the almost 250 yr stability of America's Representative Republic. **An illustrative difference between Republics & the more "democracy-like" states of the past is shown in the example of Nazi Germany which was much more of a PURE DEMOCRACY in the fact that the German People elected & re-elected Hitler year after year right up till the very end & never stopped supporting Hitler. If Germany had been more of a Republic they could have had checks & balances that could have checked Germany's democratic voting & support for Hitler well after it was clear that he should have not been allowed continued rule regardless of the democratic vote. This is the reason that America has an Electoral College; it is the final check AFTER a "Popular Election" for the final "approval" & certification of the winner of the Presidential Election by the chosen "electors", to make sure that "the People" have not recklessly elected a would be tyrant like Hitler would turn out to be. This is the danger of democracies; that they can often run wild & be the tool of the mob or a demagog plotting to be dictator.

@joelsommers

7 ай бұрын

But in the Germany example, the Nazi party was elected to power and then reelected not by a clear majority but by thin pluralistic minorities. Their system allowed more than two oppositional factions to compete, which meant that the winner could grab power although only garnering as little as 33 percent of the vote. It is possible to form a democratic operational model that requires the direct representatives to merge into coalitions until only two factions are competing. That way, you never risk the illegitimacy of a leader being elected with such a small pluralistic margin that the majority of the country did not want them. It's my understanding that this is similar to today's Israeli government, which many scholars of governance consider to be the world's purest operating democracy.

@joelsommers

7 ай бұрын

Also, the history of the electoral college is rather complicated. It was very much a compromise that was one of the last things agreed upon during the constitutional convention. It was a solution to the resistance mounted almost exclusively by the states that allowed slavery, and was considered acceptable because it enshrined the power of statehood separate and apart from a state's population. Today, the result is that states with threadbare populations still hold as much power as states with massive populations. This wouldn't necessarily tilt toward undemocratic outcomes, but for the fact that we have not allowed increases to the total number of congresspeople to grow alongside the US population.

@chrysopylaedesign

7 ай бұрын

​@@joelsommers Yes, excellent point re: Nazi Germany & correcting, that it was multi-party parliamentary democracy, not a one-on-one contest where the winner had the majority of voting public. My greater point though being, that however a "democratic" election is constituted (one-on-one, best-of-three, etc.), whoever "wins" the vote is past on to power w/o any checks. I am not in love w/ "democracy" as I think it is a catch-all phrase that many "lazily" use to infer the best, unimpeachable system (which it clearly is not). I can simply leave you w/ this James Madison quote that struck me, when I was an adolescent, as a self-evident truth that should never be forgotten (paraphrasing),"...as much evil can be done by an all powerful majority, as can be done by an all powerful King."

@chrysopylaedesign

7 ай бұрын

@@joelsommers There were MANY compromises needed to pass The Constitution. The main mechanism in the Electoral Collage (aside from a final check on a popular election) was allotting Electors to each state (your comment implies a more sinister implication). The reason for the Electors grew out of the fear that smaller (population) states would be out voted at ALL TIMES & they would become silent irrelevant captives of the Constitution. So allotting a more balanced number of Electors to each state (regardless of population) would ensure that ALL STATES had a say in the National Election. It was purely to address James Madison's eternal concern of the Majority trampling on the Minority. The result you might question, but the reason for giving more balanced power to the smaller states was clear to all who voted; which is why The Constitution was finally passed.

@joelsommers

7 ай бұрын

@@chrysopylaedesign I was not implying. I was saying expressly that the sticking point was about slavery and whether or not it would be allowed. There were other concerns, many to do with tariffs. But mostly, the EC arose because slave holding states viewed it as a means to perpetuate the economic engine on which those states depended.

I am surprised you didn't mention how implausible the hand to hand combat element of the DUNE universe is. You should make a whole video on that.

@stizanley3987

7 ай бұрын

@@subraxas A culture with technology advanced enough to make force-fields powerful enough to stop any projectile / bullet, can't make armor tough enough to stop a slow moving knife? Make it make sense to me, friend. I still love the new movie, I can suspend my belief with the best of them, but it really doesn't make sense.

@codename495

7 ай бұрын

@@stizanley3987Shields don’t stop projectiles, the deflect objects that impact them at more than a certain velocity. They are also designed and favored for their small size, discreet wear and ability to nullify the threat of lasgun useage considering the reactions ( nuclear explosion) when one encounters the other. Imagine living a life where you are in danger from the moment of birth to death, would you wear the lightweight shield that protects against all but a slow moving knife that you can learn to defend against, or wear armor constantly. Ease of use and comfort and important, and developing things that don’t have uses doesn’t make for big business.

@stizanley3987

7 ай бұрын

@@codename495 I get all that. But it still doesn't make sense why they can't come up with armor to stop slow moving knives. If you can invent borderline magic personal force-fields, why can't you make some type of chain-mail that can keep you from getting stabbed by a slow moving dagger? That's what I have never understood about the Dune Universe. But I get it, Frank just wanted to write a fantasy story with swords and spaceships, so he hand-waved some logic away. Sword fights are much, much more entertaining to read and watch than gun fights anyway.

While giving important warnings about AI, “Dune” shows us the fascinating “alternative future” I think. Without AI, we can’t achieve the sustainability of civilization developing beyond our intelligence. Few people want to live daily lives in the world of spectacle, thrilling & exciting action movie masterpieces. “Dune” also tells us the necessity of AI for wealth creation & distribution, plus human uplift & involvement.

There's a surprising amount of inaccuracies in this video.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Care to expound on this?

@jamielondon6436

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeRiver Off the top of my head, the explanation for the Butlerian Jihad was 'slightly off the mark' in neglecting to mention that a machine intelligence had enslaved humanity for centuries and wiped out earth. Also the Atreides were not named after the Greek 'original' but after the leader of the group of immortal humans who ruled before Omnius. Those were the biggest ones, IIRC. There was more, but I'm not going to rewatch the video to find it.

@Coridimus

7 ай бұрын

I'm not that commenter, but I'll toss you a few. For a start: Duke Leto, NOT King Leto. Additionally, the "powers" of the Bene Gesserit and others are explicitly NOT supernatural or psychic in nature. The closest one can get to that is Other Memory, but even that is couched as a form of genetic memory. Even Paul's "prescience" isn't paranormal. It is simply an ability to flip datasets with incedable accuracy. Much like the Mentats and Navigators do, but on a far grander scale. Finally, as really just a nitpick, Old Earth is mentioned explicitly. Paul is ruminating on its terrible fate early on in the book. @@OrangeRiver

@jamielondon6436

7 ай бұрын

Read some other comments, who pointed out more stuff. Remembered one more: The power behind the throne isn't the Bene Gesserit. They're there, of course, but the main one is the Navigator's Guild, because they have a complete chokehold on all interstellar traffic. They make all the major decisions.

@Coridimus

7 ай бұрын

I'm not sure how much I would consider the spacing guild to be "behind the throne". If memory serves, one of Dr. Yueh's lessons for Paul was that the political tripod of the Imperium consisted of the Emperor, the Landsraad, and the Spacing Guild. Seems to me the SG is very much center stage. Hell, the epoch of the Imperial calendar starts with the formation of the Spacing Guild. IE -10,191 A.G. (Anno Guild). The Bene Gesserit on the other hand are far more behind the scenes. @@jamielondon6436

more is better (dune)

Ww

I don’t get the technology of Dune. 1. Why do they have ‘atomic’ when a laze gun hitting a shield causes a nuke blast? 2. Now do they have electronics without computers? 3. If Caladan is a water planet and Dune is desert, why not transport water from Caladan to Dune? Trade water for Spice maybe? 4. Why is it a feudal society when there are corporations and a middle class, you’d think they’d want democracy by now. 5. Why haven’t the Ixians developed computers and AI when they produce so much other illicit technology? 6. If personal shields stop super sonic bullets then instead of blades weapons why not use subsonic 300 Blackout rounds instead?

@isaacburrows8405

7 ай бұрын

Read the book again nerd

@booombasa

7 ай бұрын

1) Maybe the enemy does not have shields, so generating an atomic blast with a las gun would be impossible 2) Electronics does not mean ''thinking machines''. 3) Cost of transport 4) Because it works (?) 5) illegal - and they do in the later books... (god emperor of dune) 6) They have such guns. Needle guns i think they are called.

@kobybarnes3035

7 ай бұрын

1. You can't really launch a laze gun and a shield like a nuke. 2. Basic computers arnt really thinking machines. 3. Caladan is mostly sea/salt water, there is enough water on arrakis to sustain life but it's just not as common as other planets. Also the ecology of the planet and the sand trout means bringing in water wouldn't really change anything. 4. Commerce has always existed side by side with feudalism. Corporations like choam and the space guild are monopolies that are backed by the imperium. There is no middle class idk why you think that. The houses all have different levels of power and influence but it's still a feudal society especially for everyday citizens. The corporation aspect really only applies to the Houses and not the citizens. 5.its stated a few times that ixians are barely scraping by the with all the technology, they are under a close eye by the rest of the imperium. 6.subsonic rounds would still be too fast

@juliangarcoa6090

7 ай бұрын

Seeing as how humanity didnt wipe itself out with nukes, i like to think that the ridiculous stockpile of nukes was distributed to all the major houses of the imperium. Hence the term "Family Atomics"

It still blows my mind that in twenty twenty three people still believe that they can leave earth. They still believe the science fiction that is shown on t v.

@codename495

7 ай бұрын

Uh, wait what.

Denis Villeneuve is a hack director. The only thing that is any good that he made is the original Blade Runner. Remember he also directed Valerian and the City of 1000 Planets, which is trash.

This annoys me Dune ain't Dune at least for Americans who seem to have a problem with the English language. Dune is June it seems Americans are almost neolithic in their pronunciation of English.. And when you hear it properly it's great until you hear someone say !!!!

TOO MUCH liberal bias on this channel

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Could you list some examples? 👀