Walt Disney didn't threaten Rudolph Ising to sue him for Foxy and Roxy looking too similiar to Mickey and Minnie Mouse, he just told him to "cut it out" in the most politest way possible. Though, Ising could have redesigned Foxy and Roxy to look very different, but if he did, maybe Bugs Bunny or the other Looney Tunes wouldn't have existed.

I watched Circus Capers on a 4-disc DVD compilation of public domain animated films. I was so shocked to see a version of Mickey, but not shocked to hear that they were sued for copying Mickey.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

For real! So easy to see how someone could watch one of the more blatant rip-offs and just assume it was Mickey Mouse.

@marquesgorham4226

3 ай бұрын

​@@theothervault This is neet But the part where you say Mickey Mouse is a rip-off confuses me cause there is nothing that straight up proves it sure milton mouse inspired some of mickeys themes but thats no where near rip off territory the two characters look nothing alike also the fact you basically lied about mickey having multiple ripp offs that inspired him insinuating that he is a ripp off even though these other characters came after mickey was made basically disproving your point. If Ive misunderstood this than please tell me

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

​@@marquesgorham4226 When do I call Mickey Mouse a rip-off? Yeah, I think you may have misinterpreted what I was saying at some point.

@marquesgorham4226

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervault its In the thumbnail the rips offs that inspired mickey mouse and I whacthed the full video there was a point where you said something very similar to that

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

@@marquesgorham4226 Nah. Again, you're misreading this. Read the video title again: "The Wild Rip-offs & Inspiration That Built Mickey Mouse." I'm clearly calling out rip-offs and inspiration as being 2 different and separate elements that went into establishing Mickey Mouse. In the video, I cover characters and events that inspired Disney's creations. I also cover characters other animators created that clearly rip-off Disney, and how Disney used or threatened to use the law to enforce his copyright over MM. I then ended by saying that it was these events that established MM BOTH in popular culture and in the courtroom. Nowhere did I say that I think MM is a rip-off.

This is what always happens. Whoever ends up winning popularity, their theft of ideas goes unnoticed

Well, it was during the rubberhose era. With the exception of Felix, alot of animators and artists couldn't get many of the cartoon character designs different from each other until Betty Boop's arrival (well... once she turned human).

@mraaronhd

3 ай бұрын

But why was that though? Any explanation why?

@kaylemathewcomendador6964

3 ай бұрын

@@mraaronhd Was it some kind of design trend?

@mraaronhd

3 ай бұрын

@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 idk.

@geoffreyrichards6079

3 ай бұрын

@@mraaronhd My suspicion is that it was the easiest style for teams of animators to get down back when the field of animation was still being explored. As they got increasingly better at animating the characters, they started to broaden out and animate other characters drawn in different art styles and designs.

Its nice to see people knowing about Milton Mouse

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Glad to see so many people appreciating him now. Such an unexplored pocket of history!

@Da_thebro

2 ай бұрын

Milton mouse Such a little guy 🤗🤭

@cannongod6523

2 ай бұрын

Miltonnn less goo

Foxy's gotta be my favorite of the Mickey Mouse rip-offs covered here. I like to imagine that he isn't really dead after his final cartoon, but was simply acting when he was shot. He and his girlfriend got a less Mickey-like makeover just to be safe (which turns out to be their Tiny Toons designs), but they didn't really star in any cartoons after that, and while they are remembered as a shameless attempt to cash in on Mickey and Minnie's stardom and popularity, they're still glad they helped pave the way for future Warner Bros. cartoon stars. Actually, their Tiny Toons designs seem heavily reminiscent of Yakko, Wakko and Dot. I guess this could be explained by the fact that Animaniacs was in development while the Two-Tone Town episode was being made, but I can't help but wonder if they had happened to catch a glimpse of the Warners while they were initially bringing chaos to the lot before they were captured and sealed within the Water Tower in-universe. Hmm...

They Kinda Look Like These Pizza Tower Character References Milton Mouse - Fake Peppino Mickey Mouse/SteamBoat Willie - Peppino

Its so crazy how early Mickey is nothing like the wholesome one we know now

13:11 a literal mob hit by Walt Disney lol

Oswald is public domain too.

Technically, you wouldn’t really get in trouble if you use the Mickey kind of look considering that back then that how everyone looked in the rubber hose style

@thejuicyjedijester4901

2 ай бұрын

Mickey isn't the first to use that style anyway. Krazy kat is king/queen.

Yay you know about Oswald too❤️

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

You better believe it!

Saw some of these characters on Saturday morning tv long ago. Damn, you never cease to amaze me on the research you do! I always learn something about cinema history.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

I remember seeing some of these on tv a long time ago as a kid. I just don't remember when and where.

I can't believe you don't have more subscribers. One of the absolute best pop culture channels on here. Hope you keep doing what you're doing, bro.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Wow - thanks so much! I'm just always glad when people enjoy my stuff.

And then there's Slushy the Bullfrog. Even when I offered him to the webz for free, nobody wanted him. They preferred to use Pepe for everything, even though Pepe's creator didn't like it.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Piggy the first pig star at Warner Bros. "Hittin' the trail for Hallelujah Land" is even set on a steamboat. Plus it has a scene with dancing skeletons in a graveyard. I always felt like it was a big F### you to Walt from his old team.

@geoffreyrichards6079

3 ай бұрын

I dunno. While working for separate studios, Walt and Herman/Ising seemed like they were on good terms with each other, which is why they obliged when Walt contacted them about Foxxy. Walt even hired them to direct one of his Silly Symphony shorts, “Merbabies”, out of thanks for them lending their own animators to “Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs”.

@yosefdemby8792

3 ай бұрын

Bosko wasn't the first star?

@walkerphillips2818

3 ай бұрын

@@yosefdemby8792Bosko was. A lot of people get the early history of Looney Tunes messed up. The history is as follows: Bosko begins the Looney Tunes series, Foxy started the Merrie Melodies series, got killed off, replaced with Piggy who’s retired after two shorts, eventually Goopy Geer lasts three shorts, then retired. Bosko eventually left WB due to contract issues, and Warner created Buddy in his place.

@thejuicyjedijester4901

2 ай бұрын

​@@walkerphillips2818Yeah it's pretty easy history to follow if people just pay attention.

What's funny is that Milton Mouse came first, so its funny there was even a lawsuit anyway

@wolf2912

Ай бұрын

Milton redesign look to much like Mickey and his girlfriend look like minne

Max flischer actually invented rotoscoping and the first cartoon with sound and disney stole the credit

What a great history, thank you. I'd seen a few of these shorts but this puts a lot of them into context really well.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Love hearing that this helped!

I like that you brought up the 2st cartoon since it’s my favorite of the first 3 released

Illuminating. Can't wait t find what's coming next from the Other Vault!

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Oh boy, ha-ha! Gosh, this is gonna be one swell review from my pal! Gee, thanks Other Vault! Ha-Ha! Gawrsh, they sure do gotta lotta Mickeys around here! Ahyuck!

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Hope it lived up to expectations!

@AttemptedVoices

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervault Oh, it certainly did!

Foxy and Roxy are my favorite Mickey and Minnie clones. 😊

5:59 This is fine

This video is fantastic! I keep going back to it! This whole concept and topic is just so interesting, thank you!

@theothervault

2 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed this one!

And his lost long cousin bendy still survives the copyright

The definition of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, he won't end like his bro Waldo

Time to watch this, been waiting. ❤

0:37 why he have a tail like that ain’t no mouse

Oh this is awesome! Ever since Mickey became public domain I've been researching it a lot because i didn't even know Steamboat Willie's domain was coming public. Wow, Now we all own Mickey haha pretty cool. In my research I stumbled across the first ever Mickey coin. If you're into crypto how can you not be excited about Mickey on the Ethereum blockchain! 🤓🎉

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed this!

NO!!!!!!! BRING OUR MOUSE FRIEND BACK!!!!!! WE CANT AFFORD HORROR MOVIES ABOUT HIM!!!!!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

@fork_35

2 ай бұрын

Hardcore mickey fan

Oh hi 👋 I literally came across a game called Mouse on steam today so this is perfect timing 😂

Funnily enough, all these knockoff characters are in the public domain as well.

fascinating, i'd be curious what other classic characters will be entering public domain in the next 5-10 years, and how they got their starts

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! Might have to cover this in a future video...

@notthegreatestdetective

3 ай бұрын

i'd definitely be interested in seeing in, really like your content@@theothervault

All of these are wild-

I wonder how many people will just make cartoons with Mickey Mouse in the future.

0:30 Interestingly, the mouse in this clip was from a Krazy Kat from 1916. 11-12 years before Oswald and Mickey! I'm amazed you know about this

since we can't use the name mickey (for obviously reasons),I named him cookie XD he has a son named steven 0:37 so someone turned into a fox? don't we already have foxy though? wait is foxy also public domain? I feel like he's a lost character since alot of the characters that look like mickey was considered rip offs or even stolen back in the olden days,it's hard to keep up with the look alike characters,but still I'm surprised I even remember foxy's name

I will be going to disneyland soon. And can't the disney company buy the domain back.

Æsop? That has a special character

1:14 VOLDEMORT VOLDEMORT OOH VOLDY VOLDY VOLDEMORT

I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Warner siblings, Yakko, Wakko, and Dot, from Animaniacs, since so much of their backgrounds are rooted in cartoon history. Much of their initial look comes from rubber hose characters, such as early versions of Mickey and Minnie, or Felix the Cat, or Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. Also, I'm surprised that you didn't mention Oswald, unless that's a separate video.

@Teknanam

3 ай бұрын

Did you not watch the full video? Oswald is mentioned AND shown around the 1:40-1:48 mark as part of Mickey's creation story.

Speaking of copying, compare the way Pete looks in the comic strip storyline "Mickey Mouse In Death Valley" to the cat who battles Milton at 8:20 . They both have the same kind of shirt. Am I imgaining things or did some artist at Disney take inspiration from this Milton cartoon when creating this early design for Pete?

You content is so underrated

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! I'm just glad whenever anyone like my stuff.

Can you imagine Mickey with a gun? 😂

@tecpaocelotl

3 ай бұрын

My old school leather jacket had mickey with a gun.

@OGPUEE

3 ай бұрын

Yes. He has gun in "Dognapper" (1934) and "Symphony Hour" (1942). Both made by Disney :). Also Donald Duck in "Mickey's Amateur" (1937) has a tommy gun and shoot to the audience. People forget that Old Disney shorts were wild and not very kid-friendly.

@CosmicSponge2004

3 ай бұрын

He used it often in the comics by Floyd Gottfriedson from around 1931 to The Mid-1940's

@yosefdemby8792

2 ай бұрын

There's literally a cartoon called Two Gun Mickey from 1934.

Damn I didn’t know that old cartoon have blood in it.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Totally. These older pre-code cartoons got wild!

This music at the very beginning.. .....ive heard it before. Once before. What is it?

foxy looks nice.

Just what Is that song used at the start of the video? it is a certified bop!

@theothervault

Ай бұрын

I Don't Get the Lesson - Lalinea Remix

4:28 That was actually done before in 1924.

2:03 HA CHA CHA

Milton…

I want to know if MM falling into the public domain means that some of these characters can come back. I'd really like to see more of Foxy, and I don't mean that watered-down version of him from that Tiny Toons episode.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

I think it all depends on if that specific character is still under copyright or not. The original Foxy enters the public domain in 2026, so you wouldn't have to wait very long.

@geoffreyrichards6079

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervaultNot to worry. Most of the Herman/Ising produced “Looney Tunes” and “Merrie Melodies” are in the public domain already, including all three of Foxy’s shorts. They never bothered renewing their ownership.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

@@geoffreyrichards6079 Good to know! Didn't even think to check the copyright renewal status since many of these have been included on the Looney Tunes box sets over the years. Thanks for sharing!

@yosefdemby8792

3 ай бұрын

Fun fact: Bosko was copyrighted in January 1928, before Mickey Mouse was even conceived.

Milton mouse looked like Mickey before Mickey and they still got sued what the hell?

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Wild, right? Though I'm guessing they would have been fine if they had stuck to the original designs.

What's the name of the cartoon at 0:30?

@luizfernandocanaloficial9511

3 ай бұрын

Krazy Kat and Ignatz Mouse at the Circus (1916)

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Yup! @luizfernandocanaloficial9511 called it correctly.

Foxy the pirate fox a cartoon?!

He’s been stolen.

Lucky Wabbit

#DisneyDiva

Jumpcare warning at 0:52

@tanukigamergirl3366

2 ай бұрын

Hell😊

@CJTheHaunter

2 ай бұрын

@@tanukigamergirl3366 huh? Is the emoji supposed to be the “o”?

Only the steamboat willy version

This is neet But the part where you say Mickey Mouse is a rip-off confuses me cause there is nothing that straight up proves it sure milton mouse inspired some of mickeys themes but thats no where near rip off territory the two characters look nothing alike also the fact you basically lied about mickey having multiple ripp offs that inspired him insinuating that he is a ripp off even though these other characters came after mickey was made disproving your point. If Ive miss understood this than please tell me

I love Mickey Mouse and it is okay if he was inspired by someone else great artist inspire one other Rip Walt Disney Rip Ub Iwerks

Surprised you didn’t include Bosko on the list. Then again, Bosko was created and copyrighted before Mickey.

Is this a reaupload?

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Yup - Someone pointed out a pretty bad flub that I wanted to fix.

@Enfim7072

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervault 👍

Love everything about $MICKEY Mouse

Never wait for permission to make parody or satire. Dora No More is an example of freedom of speech. Do you want to obey a policy that mandates no satires about anything, until the corporations agree? Never.

0:30 No. those are ripoffs

@thishandleistaken425

16 күн бұрын

The first one is actually older, being from an 1916 cartoon

And now mickey has his own cryptocurrency called Steamboat Willie? Incredible stuff.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Yeah - I guess that was inevitable, too...

Foxy’s girlfriend 12:47

Was Oswald actually created by Walt Disney?

@22snazario

3 ай бұрын

yes

Milky mouses

Oswald was not stolen. From the beginning he was legally owned by Universal.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Not stolen by Universal, but by his production partner who not only poached the cartoon, but also most of Walt's annimation team.

@yosefdemby8792

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervault No. They chose to leave on their own free will.

@yosefdemby8792

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervault From the start Charles Mintz was the one who legally owned the distribution rights to the series.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Hmmmm... If you're approaching the term "stolen" purely from a letter of the law legal sense, then you're right. I wasn't being quite so literal, but I'll give that to you. Or are you arguing that the takeover of Oswald (and Walt's animators) by Mintz was completely above board?

@yosefdemby8792

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervault It was underhanded, I admit.

MILTON MOUSE

13:17 NnYaAaagGGgHhh

Anyone not surprised that Mickey Mouse ripoff something else

😄 *promo sm*

6:35 actually, Krazy Kat is canonically non-binary, so calling them a “he” is kinda wrong

Its not great, its horrible. MICKEY Mouse falling into public domain is the biggest tragedy in history.

@OGPUEE

3 ай бұрын

Silence Disney executive :).

@donalddestiny9017

3 ай бұрын

Well to me, It is great. Go complain about it. Its already done and too late. Popeye, you're next.

@Pierceson-up8fs

3 ай бұрын

Actually terrible take

@Sassyjass2012

3 ай бұрын

Later versions of Mickey Mouse are still under copyright. Only the version used in “Steamboat Willie” is now in the public domain.

@TheWumpMan

3 ай бұрын

How?