I adore this movie, and constantly rented it as a kid. I loved being scared by it, and I liked that it felt closer to the books which I also read constantly.

@socialmoth4974

5 ай бұрын

Yep, the creepiness is what makes it so good.

@zombietrash416

5 ай бұрын

Faruza Balk!

@ransakreject5221

5 ай бұрын

The best sequels change genre. Terminator and alien went from horror/sci-fi to being strait action sci-fi. It’s tricky to do sequels but u can’t outdo a classic. You need some of Rte sane characters and settings but gotta change something so genre is bestv

@TheRaven8

5 ай бұрын

Same. I kept coming back but was so scared. I couldn’t look away though because it was so visceral to my heart

@lizfletcher5258

4 ай бұрын

This movie makes me cry buckets when Aunt Em brings her to the clinic and when they find Dorothy in the woods, Ozma coming back to Oz out of the mirror it's the best, I'm sick and tired people dissing it saying it's horrible well you know what then don't watch it and you all don't know good movies and when I found my DVD Copy it was the best day of my life

Return to Oz is seriously underrated I loved it as a child. Pure nightmare fuel but I loved it.

@AllGoodOutside

2 ай бұрын

I'm getting to genuinely hate that relatively new term "nightmare fuel" I wish someone would start another phrase trend like "Parasomnia Petrol" or something similar 🤮🤌

@CeticWales

2 ай бұрын

​@@AllGoodOutside Return to Oz is seriously underrated I loved it as a child. Pure Parasomnia Petrol but I loved it.

@AllGoodOutside

2 ай бұрын

@@CeticWales Bü-JA- GrandMA! 👋🤣👍 Thank you for the reply!

I saw this first before The Wizard of Oz and got fascinated eversince. The Flight of the Navigator, Return to Oz, Tron, The Black Cauldron, and so many others that bombed somehow in the theaters but I really, really enjoyed as a kid back then

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Totally! That whole era of Disney cranked out some of my favorites as well. Flight of the Navigator's entire 1st act still holds up!

@Notsram77

5 ай бұрын

I feel this so much.

@giacamalo8177

4 ай бұрын

Return to Oz and Flight of the Navigator are fucking awesome!!!

@foreignparticle1320

4 ай бұрын

Flight of the Navigator... MAN I loved that film!

@SiccDeville

4 ай бұрын

i loved Flight of the Navigator as a young kid and had the VHS tape.... compliance!

HOW IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PRODUCTION VALUE. you rock dude, feels like I am watching a docu-series TV show bravo.

@theothervault

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! Definitely something that I put a lot of effort into, so it's great to hear that you're enjoying it!

I was a kid when this came out and I LOVED it. Great introduction to horror concepts, and the special effects are soo good for the time.

@jeremyriley1238

4 ай бұрын

That is true. Plus, unlike the original movie released by MGM, Return to Oz was closer to the source material that was the original books, making me view Return to Oz as its own film instead of a sequel of any kind.

Return to Oz was one of my fav movies when I was a kid. That, The Labyrinth, The Never-Ending Story & The Dark Crystal

I was the kid who got scared from it but watched it multiple times. Also, I liked the Wiz.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

I pretty much had the exact same expereince!

i still remember the first time i saw this movie i was a bit too young for it and it really freaked me out, i appreciate its oddball nature today, its sorta a time capsule of what you can do with a story if you let loose, but i see very much why it failed

Return to Oz is and always will be my favorite Oz movie.

What I would really like to see is the Wizard of Oz series in an animated format that closely matches the tone of the books. I know there’s a 90s series, a Muppet Babies like cartoon, and one from a few years back that’s more aimed towards a younger audience, but I would like to see a show that’s more in line with an age group that’s in line with Gravity Falls.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

YES! A really well done Oz animated series would be amazing!

@SeasideDetective2

5 ай бұрын

I think what would have been ideal is a release in 1939 of an animated adaptation by either Disney or the Fleischer Brothers. They might even have commissioned the same composer and songwriters. The movie could well have been pretty much the same, but richer in narrative and not hampered by the special effects limitations of the day.

@theflyingninja1

5 ай бұрын

There's a decent anime from the 80s.

@sailor_gaia

5 ай бұрын

I used to long for that as well but hope that if it ever happens, it will be in the hands of folks who don't want to alter every detail to suit their "modern" selves or because they feel like something was "wrong" with the story and needing fixing. Return to Oz, in spite of being done by Disney, is one of my favorite films, period. I love everything about it. It successfully forged together two of the books plots, aligned itself to fit within MGM film lore and distinguished itself entirely from both. I don't necessarily mind changing details for television or movies (because not many things translate perfectly from page to screen) as long as the core is still there. The characters and the world are as magical and whimsical as they are in the books (and they leaned into the horror aspect that is present when you translate characters and situations directly from their source, just like fairy tales). That combined with one of my favorite film scores, it certainly made a lasting impression on me. If anyone actually takes on the series, I certainly hope it wouldn't just stuck within the "Wizard of Oz" realm, like we've had for over 40 years now, rewriting the same ONE novel in different ways (::cough WICKED cough::). Personally, I think one of the Oz-adjacent stories (like "Sky Island") would be a great concept for a film. It's got those wonderfully Baum-esq dark side to it as well. I would just love to see Baum's entire world explored more and I recommend them to every young reader I can.

@trevorross2401

5 ай бұрын

There is a faithful full-length animated version of The Wizard of Oz that is close to the book it's by Paramount and it is 80 minutes long

I'm a huge Oz geek, and as such I appreciate thoughtful videos like this. I like the bait and switch of "starting at the beginning with the '39 film" before talking about the books and some.if the earlier adaptations. While I enjoy the MGM film, and appreciate it for keeping the tale in the public consciousness, I have to admit that I'm bothered by the number of people who think that that is all there is to Oz. While Return to Oz has its flaws, I enjoy that it dared to adapt material from later books. As a Minnesotan, I will always love Judy's performance in the MGM film, but Fairuza Balk is probably my second favorite Dorothy.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed this one!

Nice to see Wonderful Land of Oz get mentioned. Thankfully the good people at Rifftrax have greatly improved it (and it's free on their KZread channel)

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Ha! Rifftrax and MST3K is the best when it comes to discovering hidden gems like this.

When I watched this on VHS as a little kid, I was deeply intrigued. There was so much going on that felt so grand and went over my head. I loved it, because I hadn't seen the original. Many years later I saw the original and was ... a bit weirded out by the bright colors and naivety. But later I understood, what it meant for the people who loved it. 'Return' was a very typical product of the 80's with their dark, gritty fantasy, horror and Sci fi themes, constantly pushing the boundaries of what's seen as suitable for kids. I'm glad to learn so much about that film's troubled history

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Happy to hear you enjoyed learning about this!

@SeasideDetective2

5 ай бұрын

Another example of going gritty was a remake of BABES IN TOYLAND released the very next year, starring a very young Drew Barrymore and Keanu Reeves in one of his first roles, as well as THE KARATE KID's Pat Morita(!) as Santa Claus. They made a fair effort, but their budget was obviously brutally low and the proceedings come off as vaguely dreary. And the villains are more sinister than in the original, looking more like characters from THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW.

@ct6852

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I saw this one before the classic too. Really don't know how that happened.

Absolubtly underrated classic, Perfect amount of magic wonder and horror! The beautiful dark.

Absolutely love this movie as well as The Wiz. Loved how this was much truer to the spirit of the books, and got over the whole making it still seem like she dreamed it with the Kansas citizens doubling as Oz citizens. The Wheelers weren't really scary for me, however many of my peers really were frightened by them. The whole presentation of Mombi and the heads stayed with me for some time though. Oz the Great And Powerful is the Oz prequel that we definitely needed.

I'm a little surprised that you included the obscure Aussie Oz movie (NOBODY acknowledges that one!) and skipped Shirley Temple's 1960 TV special The Land of Oz, which has a few of the same elements as Return to Oz. I didn't know it existed until recently, and it's kind of interesting. I'm among the few who saw the original Return release. It wasn't what me or my family expected at all, and I was traumatized by Mombi's hall-of-heads, but I still loved it. All of those dark Disney films from that era were kind of awesome. I'm grateful that the execs didn't meddle with the director's vision of this one like they did with Watcher in the Woods and Something Wicked This Way Comes, which don't hold up as well today.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Yeah - outside of the occasional throwaway joke refference, I tried to keep this one focused on both Disney and theatrical Oz. Could have gotten wild if I included TV entries.

If you read the books, you know this movie was directed flawlessly. How Walter Murch pulled this off is nothing short of amazing.

Frank Baum would have adored this film. Despite mashing up several books, the characterizations, the imagery, the tonality are completely within the original Baum Oz books.

Return to Oz is my favorite Oz film simply because it's so close to the dark themes of the Baum books. His books are very twisted and dark in many ways, and honestly his need to write them simply for money comes through, you can tell he wasn't loving it by how the characters are and how they interact with others, Dorothy especially. I think by the end Baum absolutely hated Oz and Dorothy lol. But still, I love how dark the books can get and love that the movie Return to Oz encapsulated that.

This movie is insane and actually more closer to the actual books than the original movie with the yellowbrick road. Its weird and strange but also amazing.

@jeremyriley1238

4 ай бұрын

That is true, which is why I do view this as its own movie instead of a sequel.

Funny enough, I never grew up with the MGM classic; I actually grew up with the Filmation animated film then Return to Oz. Those were my main and only introductions to the Land of Oz stories, then later on I read the "Wicked" book and saw the musical inspired by it. It would be till late 2006 when I finally saw the MGM movie and at first it caught me off guard with how colorful it was since in my mind Oz was grittier and darker, but ended up loving it as one of my favorite movies ever as well as musical.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Woah - Oz in reverse must have been wild!

@pap64

5 ай бұрын

@@theothervault It was! Going from Green Elephants stampeding through everything , through Dorothy running away from a headless witch, to Idina Menzel belting it out alongside Kirstin Chenoweth...to the super MGM colorful musical. It was a journey! And the reason I STILL remember "Oz the Great and Powerful" was because the first time I saw it was on a flight to Orlando...in the middle of a storm...with severe turbulence. So the tornado scene became a motion simulator that lasted the film's runtime, and in order for me to prevent going full panic mode, I glued my eyes into that small TV and watch EVERY SECOND OF IT till we landed safely. So now I associate Oz with turbulence...lawl

I loved this one so much! Saw it in the theater with grandma in 85. I loved being terrified by it! This was a great video/analysis!

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

This is one of my favorite movies. It's hauntingly ethereal and you will never forget it.

we need to make this channel bigger it’s easy as liking the video and telling your friends about it 😂

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Slowly but surely we're get there!

@user-vw9ip6cq7b

4 ай бұрын

YES!!!

I love the movie, it was filmed here in England and the Jim Henson crew were involved. It even had a presenter from a show I watched on TV playing Tik Tok, at least the movement at least. And the wiz has a soft spot as the makeup was done by one of my heroes, Stan Winston.

Before I saw this movie as a kid, I was already a fan of animations like the Sleepy Hollow Headless Horseman stuff, Night on Bald Mountain, Pinocchio, Henson's Dark Crystal, and Bluth's Secret of Nimh. So I actually thought it was more cool than scary.

@melissacooper8724

4 ай бұрын

Have you ever seen Labarynth?

I was born in 86 but I remember seeing it on TV when I was a Lil older and I liked this version

I read every single book and it was clear that he had no intention of making more than two. Later books had to address plot holes, inconsistencies and questions about the characters. Saying that, I would like to see a series adaption that's faithful to the books.

This is be a very large margin the absolute best OZ visual media. It's not even close

I will say this. I actually love Return to OZ, ever since I first saw it as a little kid. Many people say that Disney's Return to OZ is too dark and scary for an OZ movie, but what most people don't realize is that the original OZ stories by L. Frank Baum were not like the 1939 movie. They were actually very dark, violent, and scary. For instance in the first book, the Tin Man kills a large pack of wolves from attacking by cutting off each of there heads with his axe, or in one sequel book, the wizard lobotomizes a cats' brains out and replacing them with glass ones. And bare in mind, those are just a couple of examples of what the original L. Frank Baum OZ stories are like. People, like myself, believe that Disney's Return to OZ fully captures the feel of L. Frank Baum's original dark vision of OZ. It got the tone of the land of OZ right. And on a personal level, I really hope that Disney makes a prequel to Return to OZ to tie in to it, and have it end with Dorothy beginning stages of her depressive state we see her at the beginning of Return to OZ not long after she returns home.

The real Oz is somewhere between the 39 and 80's flick. Colorful and fun mixed with your worst nightmares and making them digestible. And still has the best Santa Clause backstory despite no intention. I mean if classic Tim Burton were colorful and had a little more of the living, he was kinda the modern Baum of the time.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

I mean, I'd definitely check this out.

@chevyblaze3773

5 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a tim Burton Oz interpretation

This was a great video! I was curious about the different oz adaptations, and this video collected and explained them better than any other I've come across!

@theothervault

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! So glad you enjoyed this one!

I have seen the 1939 film, THE WIZ, OZ THE GREAT AND POWERFUL, one of the animated adaptations, and (although I can just barely remember doing so) RETURN TO OZ. Of all of them, OZ THE GREAT AND POWERFUL has satisfied me the most. But none of them have truly done the classic book justice. I think of L. Frank Baum as a sort of proto-J.R.R. Tolkien, and Oz as a precursor to Middle Earth. The Oz mythology works best in the books, where we're free to use our imaginations to the fullest.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

The Tolkien - Baum comparison is a pretty interesting one. For the longest time it was thought that The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings could never be be fully adapted, too.

My mom had this recorded on VHS, and my siblings and I loved watching it.

Man how do you not have at least 2 million subscribers? Your videos are fantastic! Thank you for your works!

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks - really appreciate the support! I'm just happy to see that people are enjoying my stuff.

I love the research and depth that comes to your videos, happy holidays everyone. .

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Thanks - I really appreciate that! So great to hear that you're really enjoying my format. Happy Holidays to you, too!

I loved this movie when I was a kid! We taped it when they showed it on The Disney Channel back in the 1980s. Years later I got it on DVD and I still enjoy it! I like this movie better than the MGM musical because it is more faithful to the books.

I just discovered your channel. Great video and I'm eager to see more!

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Happy to hear that you're enjoying everything!

Just stumbled across your channel! Great vids and ideas! Keep rocking bro! 🤟😝

@theothervault

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Lots more to come!

Return To Oz is nothing more than a basic template for MK Ultra mind control

Great review! Thank you. I grew up with Wizard of Oz and watching Return to Oz as a kid gave me nightmares. But I loved it.

@theothervault

4 ай бұрын

You're so very welcome!

Your voice is amazing! I’m a first timer and now a new sub! ❤

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

This is one of my favorite films of all time. I grew up on the books. I adore the 1939 film. I collect 39 film stuff. However, THIS film is Baum's Oz, not Hollywood. I was 28 years old when I saw it at the theater. I was blown away to see the real thing. I still love it and watch it often. I love the 39 film on it's own merits - a treat for both eyes and ears and as a part of the collective pop culture we have today. This film is it's own thing, but it is what was written by the author and a clever use of two different books. One can love them both for different reasons.

Aesome, well crafted video. I haven't seen this movie since I was a wee lad and this brought back a lot of memories (mostly of being frightened by this film!). P.S. you have a phenomenal voice for narration!

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it!

I remember reading the original Oz books as a kid at my grandma's house, and recall thinking how odd the books were compared to the movie, which has become a standard Disney trope by then.

you got yourself a sub my dood. love the channel,.

@theothervault

4 ай бұрын

Really appreciate it!

Love the OZ Disney drama connection made vivid & fun. Dazzling FX animation!

This production is wonderful. It is much more satisfying than the musical. I really enjoy the homage to the darkness of the Brother’s Grimm pall of danger and evil. The spirit and the celebration of self reliance is nice to see

When I was very young my older sister rented this and it scared the hell out of me. It was a few years later I dared to rent the same tape from the same video store and watch it again. After that I rented it out several times a year for the next few years. It was, and still to this day one of the best movies I have ever seen in my entire life. One of my top 10, up there with the likes of T2 and Alien. I have a copy on my laptop I still enjoy watching regularly.

Just gained a new subscriber here! Honstly, bc I don't have much experience in technology and such, I simply don't realize just what goes into making/producing media like this. Then, as I'm watching this after just watching your Tim Burton "Hansel and Gretel" piece...sometimes it becomes abundantly clear how much must go into this😮 Seriously professional and absolutely impressive!!

@theothervault

2 ай бұрын

Thanks - I really appreciate that. These are all definitely a labor of love!

Return to Oz will always be my favorite. It’s so,ingrained in my childhood that one of my favorite memories is the childhood frustration of my mom seemingly using the movie to time cooking dinner. Countless times right at the exact same moment, when Tick Tock is first found and he’s looking out the door for the wheelers, my mom would proclaim “Dinner’s ready. Turn off the movie”. We’d always finish it after dinner.

Return to Oz is 100% more re-watchable to me. I'm one of those 'creepy' kids from the 80s who preferred the darker stuff - dark crystal, black cauldron, secret of nimh etc - and I also loved The Wiz growing up too. I was never a fan of the original, but at least I can at least appreciate it now for what it is. Very interesting to hear all this, now I have to go watch Return 😆

@marilyncunningham3216

4 ай бұрын

I wasn't a fan of the og Oz movie either but loved Return to Oz!

@Blood-Magic

Ай бұрын

Ur not the only one😅

I saw Return To Oz when I was 7. I laughed my head off. For me, it was a macabre comedy classic like The Adams Family. Scary was the last word I would have used to describe it. It is probably because I had already seen movies like Gremlins, The Blob, Child’s Play, Ghostbusters, Halloween and Alligator. If you wanna talk horror, Return To Oz is pretty laughable compared to those movies.

I went to see this in cinema back in the day as a kid and loved it.

I remember watching this movie a lot as a small child and I loved it!❤

When I was little I would love when this would come on t.v. looooved it!

One of my favorites as a child and still love this movie

It scared the crap out of us in bits but most 80's kids loved it!!

As someone who grew up in the 80s... this movie was nothing compared to the horrors we encountered in real life

Ooh, Return to Oz. The secret origin of the Pumpkin King! And even better, an The Other Vault video! (In the tune of Jack's Lament. The "and since I am dead!" part) ♪~"AND SINCE HE IS BACK, I CAN SIT AND RELAX! AND WATCH HIM REVIEW A FILM UNHEARD OF... UNDERRATED OR SCORNED! IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT WAS FORMED! HE WILL MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER IT AND THEN SOME. "~♪

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Fantastic, as always!

@AttemptedVoices

5 ай бұрын

I say the same thing about your videos, you wonderful creator! Keep up the amazing work and I will always do my best to show up and make a funny parody! @@theothervault

Cosby sounded drunk on that hot air balloon 😂

LOVED this movie! So much closer to the feel of the books!

You may have forgotten that there’s a Phineas and Ferb special of the Wizard of Odd .

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was really trying to avoid this from becomeing an all inclusive Oz list. Fun episode, though!

I love this movie! I saw it in the theater when it came out. I liked it better than the MGM version, but I was a kid that loved everything spooky. I love the character design!

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! Agreed - the design throughout the movie is pretty incredible.

return to oz is such a gem

I loved Return To Oz as a kid, the special effects were great for the time and the characters very realistic. i loved the darker tone and the fact it wasnt a musical. I do remember finding the headless witch and the wheelers mildly scary but we were tuff in the 80's unlike modern kids.

@marty639

4 ай бұрын

No. Oz films set horrific examples for all children. All entertainment towards children for that matter. Gives them a false sense of hope which doesnt exist in the real world... for women especially. Girls believe they are princesses and as women... believe they should be treated as such. We need to do away will all forms of entertainment for children and reveal to them how harsh, cruel, wicked, and often meaningless the real world is.

I loved this film as a kid, and we rented the video multiple times. Even though it scared me, I found everything about it compelling.

Thanks!

@theothervault

2 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

It's a shame, really, as this movie is another fantastic entry in the children's dark fantasy genre of the 80s. I think part of the reason it did so poorly is for the same reason the 2005 Charlie & the Chocolate Factory remake was panned, in that it stuck TOO close to the source material and was unrecognizable from the beloved original. My mum for example, is a HUGE Wizard of Oz fan, so I showed her Return to Oz and her reaction was basically "why is it so different. This doesn't look anything like the '39 version". But honestly, that's why I love it. It's such a fascinating world to explore

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree and your experience is a perfect example. Thanks so much for sharing!

Although not Disney, a nod to how Wicked made a HUGE success by turning the story on it's ear, proving that there is still a market for the Oz story, would have been a nice footnote to the Disney saga.

I will gladly return to this film before I would watch the original one. Return to Oz has managed to stick in my mind.

this movie scared the shit out of me when I was a kid

I was a bit nonplussed that the DVD I bought of this film had very jolly-looking packaging, as if to deceive the customer that Return to Oz is something other than a twisted, gothic nightmare. It’s one of my favourite films. I have previously described it as a sequel not to its 30s precursor, but a sequel to the very dark circumstances of the previous film. I am astonished that mindless studio execs didn’t kill it. It’s a postmodern masterpiece.

As a kid in the 90s I loved the original and LOVED this movie. I never understood why ppl didn't like it. It's so creative and fun. The characters are interesting and charming. The art design is otherworldly in the best way. I will always love this movie.

I haven’t watched the og since I was a child but I’ve watched return to oz many many times since I was a child

One of my favourite movies as a child

This movie scared me as a kid it was dark and creepy My Friends the Scarecrow Woodman and Lion were turned into abominations

This movie scared the crap out of me but I still kept rewatching it. Kid's movies were definitely alot different back then.

This movie terrified me as a child, I have very few memories of it though.

i absolutely LOVED return to oz... i was not able to see it as much as i wanted as a kid because they did not air it often and basically could only rent it.

Say what you will, but I love this movie. Lots of Childhood Trauma came out of this for me too.

I Return to Oz. I was obsessed with all things Oz as a kid, this included. I think it's spectacular. It deserves more credit because it's very close to the source material as far as fantasy goes. People complain that it's incredibly creepy, which it is, but so were the original books.

When I watched Return To Oz when I was 8 years old, I had already seen The Wizard Of Oz probably about 10 times by then. However, even at 8 years old, I knew that they were different movies and that I had to like Return on it's own terms, not comparing it to Wizard. Even at 8, I knew that for myself, nobody had to tell me that. Most adult critics at the time could just not grasp this concept.

Return to Oz is a masterpiece. It's tone, and risky choices is great. But I can see why people were disappointed if they were expecting 'The Wizard of Oz 2'.

I loved this movie as a kid!

love love this movie and i saw it when i was little in the 80's

Hearing Diana Ross and Michael Jackson singing “Ease on Down the Road” always puts a smile on my face. I love The Wiz!! I also have a great love for Return to Oz. Mombi taking off her head scared the hell out of me as a kid, but Jack and Tik Tok bring nostalgic feelings to me when I watch the film as an adult. I love the sequence where they’re trying to find green things in the collection while the Gnome King gets pissed. And of course an egg being his downfall definitely makes me giggle even to this day. One thing I never understood is why the doctor’s nurse got arrested at the end when she was clearly trying to save Dorothy from the flood! LOL I’m definitely a weirdo, though because so many of those Disney flops you talk about in the 80s are movies I love to this day, like The Devil and Max Devlin!!

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Great point about the ending!

This was great and laughed at "Walter had friends in high places". He certainly deserved a guardian angel or two looking out for him! Both Return to Oz and Oz The Great & Powerful are enjoyable films and its a shame they are dismissed because they aren't musicals.

I'd read a ton of Oz books as a kid so when this movie came out it didn't even register to me that people would find it so shocking. To me it all made sense - I recognised where the original plot elements were coming from and the twists needed to sort-of fit them into movie continuity were logical. I owned the novelisation too (back in the day when it wasn't so easy to get hold of a movie to watch it again so there was excitement in buying the book version with pictures from the movie in it!) I still struggle with the mental disconnect of remembering that most people only know the MGM film and have no idea about Cap'n Bill and Trot, or Eureka, or the Glass Cat, or the Hungry Tiger, or....

It's my kids FAVORITE Oz movie, & I really love it, too.

I love this era of special effects films.

To be clear, they were making a film that adapted the next few books (which I think they did successfully) but this is NOT a sequel.

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

Sure - not a sequel. But maybe a follow-up? Seems like they were definitely trying to build off of everyone's love and knowledge of the classic MGM version...

I loved how creepy & weird it was! I was probably around 10 when it came out and loved it. But we Gen Xers were built different. Black Cauldron, Watership Down, Secret of NIMH - we were raised on darkness

Return to Oz, followed by the Wiz are probably my favorites. I honestly can never sit down and watch more then a few minutes of the Original.

Up there with predator 2 for most under-rated sequel ever

@theothervault

5 ай бұрын

"Okay p****face, it's your move!"

Funny story. As a kid in Nigeria in 2001, i first watched the original Wizard of Oz on TCM and fell in love with the movie. A year later, as i came from school and was channel skipping for stuff to watch, i saw Return to Oz playing and just thought it looked cool and familiar abd decided to watch it😂 It was weird and scary! But so memorable. I had no idea it was a sequel.

Love the Wiz and Return to Oz.

Also the 2011 miniseries “Witches of Oz” and its 2012 feature film version “Dorothy and the Witches of Oz” - starring among others Billy Boyd (Lord of the Rings), Mia Sara, and Christopher Lloyd.

I honestly like this movie better than Wizard. The live action Disney movies from about 1975 to 1990, when they were just throwing stuff at the wall to see what would happen, are one of my favorite eras in film history.

I like the movie quite a bit, though I'm less sold on some of the voice work. But the real star to my mind is the incredibly expressive clay animation done by Will Vinton. Those rock faces were so subtly expressive, you could tell what they were thinking.