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@brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882

3 ай бұрын

But I already paid the data brookers to expose my personal information already, you should have emailed me earlier.

Tim Burton made the world. Henry Selick and his team brought the world to life. Danny Elfman gave it a voice. And all three made it immortal.

@ZigZagtheWasteland

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't say it any better.

The youtube algorithm makes no sense. How is it not promoting this video more, its ridiculous.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! I'm just glad to see that you and others who do watch are enjoying it!

It's annoying that Disney wanted no association with this movie. But when it went from being just a movie with a cult following, to a very successful IP years later, and they saw the potential to milk this every Halloween for the rest of eternity, Disney was more than willing to slap their name on it. Especially considering Disney didn't really have a trademark Halloween IP to oversaturate the market with. And in the 90's, Halloween was quickly becoming the #2 commercial holiday. It's like how Shaq's biological father was never in his life. But once he became a successful NBA player, he wanted back into his life.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

YES. Never in 1,000 years would I guess that I'd ever read a comparison of Nightmare Before Christmas to Shaq, but here we are...

@toffyflame0

3 ай бұрын

@@theothervault Watchaaa Classic Shaq Fu power play

So the "Tim Burton's" part of the title is like the "Bram Stoker's" in "Bram Stoker's Dracula". Bram Stoker didn't direct the movie, but it's based on his idea. I can see why Selick would be annoyed, though, as the marketing made it appear as if Tim Burton directed the movie.

I went from being equal parts terrified and intrigued to absolutely head over heels for this movie. I can’t watch it anymore unfortunately due to some trauma that happened and the movie was a harmless bystander but I really did love TNBC. I’ve been thinking about watching it again recently as a therapeutic thing to hopefully help break the issue I’m having, it’s just tough for me.

@mkaylor121

2 ай бұрын

I'm so sorry that this movie was ruined for you. I truly hope that you overcome your trauma. Peace be with you

I think people recognize that it sucks that Henry Selick doesn't get the recognition he deserves as director of this movie. And it's sadly so common in Hollywood for creatives to get screwed over (plus some people really being down on Burton with the later half of his career) that it causes people to want to overcorrect to the point I've seen people advocate for Burton's name being removed and try to make it seem like Burton basically had nothing to do with the film.

At the end of the day, it's not Selick's, or Burton's movie. It's Disney's. Just like how Elon didn't create Tesla or Twitter those are his companies, because he owns them. Disney didn't create ABC, Star Wars, Marvel, ESPN, Hulu, or Fox. It doesn't matter who created them, because they belong to Disney.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

True story. We're here arguing about who's film Nightmare is while Disney's just counting all the profit it's made off of it..

@I_WANT_MY_SLAW

3 ай бұрын

@@Scorpio.Incubus did you build your house? Did you build your car? Did you build your phone? If not, then by your logic, they're not yours.

@I_WANT_MY_SLAW

3 ай бұрын

@@Scorpio.Incubus because it makes perfect sense by your own logic. The car you buy is the designer's vision. So by your logic, your car that you buy isn't yours, since you had no part in the creative process. That's what you said. You're just mad that I'm using your own example against you as ammunition, and you can't cope with that fact.

@bunwithgun1587

3 ай бұрын

​@@I_WANT_MY_SLAW Ownership is not the same as credit for creating something. I might own a book I bought, but I didn't create the book myself.

@user-ph2ql2vg1d

3 ай бұрын

@@bunwithgun1587 but if you owned the rights, you could put "bunwithgun's" overt the title

It's no different than watching Stephen King's IT or Dr. Seuss' The Cat in the Hat. The writer/creator gets the credit, until you can coast like Burton because you're the producer. LOL

It always baffles me how this film wasn’t initially liked by young audiences. My little played the movie at 4 or 5 & LOVED it! And she was a standard Disney Princess kinda girl. When we finally went to Disney World when she was 5, the only people we waited in line to see was Jack & Sally! And this was ALL her, she was NOT missing her moment to meet them!

Tim made the story (it was a book before a movie), Henry directed the film, that's what I've heard all these years as a TNBC fan

FANTASTIC!! I can’t believe the meticulous research that goes into your compelling stories of the world of Disney - and Hollywood - history. When do you sleep?

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

Thanks man, really enjoy your content

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! So glad you're enjoying everything!

I appreciate you for still cooking your videos and going if some fare well more then they otheres but they’re all are very well researched,,, you’re good at picking things I’ve never seen discussed or discussed to this amount of detail YURT

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks - I really appreciate that. So awesome that people still enjoy my stuff and keep on coming back for more!

2 ай бұрын

An ESL student, perhaps?

Proud of the sponsor! Keep up the good stuff!!

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Couldn't have done it without all of you!

I cant imagine this movie without Edward Gorey and Edgar Alan Poe

I’ll have to share this for tomorrow but I’m looking forward to watching it❤

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoy!

SPECTACULAR fun and so informative! I'll follow your voice anywhere...

@theothervault

2 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it!

if you ask me, it is like the topic of anime films or projects in which is the mangaka creation, but the animation provided by the technical artists that even deserve the credit, case in point, Rumiko Takahashi's Urusei Yatsura the anime, directed by mainly Mamoru Oshii, makes interesting sense?

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Totally!

Not sure if this is relevant or not as it's mildly off topic: But this video weirdly reminded me of a question from a Disney trivia PC game from the late 1990s, The D-Show: Who Directed The Nightmare Before Christmas? There were four choices. Two out of the four choices were Tim Burton and the other was Henry Selick. I had originally chosen Henry Selick as my answer, but the game said it was wrong. The answer the game gave was Tim Burton. 🤣 Keep in mind, that the D-Show game was consulted with Walt Disney Imagineering and (the now late) Dave Smith with the Walt Disney Archives. So... Discounting WDI, it kinda goes back to where Walt Disney Archives who said who directed the film? Can't really ask Dave Smith as he's not around.

Fascinating story! Thank you for going over clickbait titles calmly and fairly and explaining everyone's contribution. My fave part of the movie is definitely the soundtrack and Danny surely deserves more light on him every time the movie comes up! But everyone did an amazing job to bring the story to life and Disney can go choke on a candy cane for it's treatment of creators.

@theothervault

2 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed this one!

It's always a team effort

Let's just go with it's a group effort and that's that

music=danny art=tim story=tim screenplay=caroline sculptor=henry animator=henry director=henry

a sponsored video!! this channel is getting bigger and bigger! love the content man keep it up!

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! I'm always terrified that viewers will be turned off to them, so I appreciate the love!

This whole situation reminds me of Animaniacs and Tiny Toons, where Spielberg gets the majority of the credit, despite for example, not creating the Warners. Seriously, Tom Ruegger doesn't get enough credit.

Whether he was there to hover and look over everyones shoulder or do something else because he trusts the team isn't of the question. The movie was his brain-child and his leadership style doesn't put into question whether the story or character designs would ever exist without him directly coming up with them himself. I dont think Henry would be happy with your answer that all of them made the movie.

No acknowledgement of The nightmare before Christmas in kingdom hearts? :-)

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

I acknowledge it in my Oogie's Revenge video (kinda)...

What’s this? What’s this? This video is quite a treat! But look, the algorithm kept it from me! Unfair! I missed my chance, to do my dance, and then be able to give off a, goofy quip… (sigh.) what’s this?!

@theothervault

15 күн бұрын

No worries - Just glad you were able to find this one!

@AttemptedVoices

15 күн бұрын

@@theothervault And I was glad it was Tim Burton themed I’ve been holding that one in for a WHILE!

It was Agatha all along🎉

Id love to see a Forbidden Zone video

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

That would be a WILD deep dive!

Did growing up in Southern California just make people weird?

This is what you get when you turn your name into a "brand"

7:27 16:40

Agreed. Henry Seleck needs to accept that Tim created the material for his film. The film is his, but the foundation for his film belongs to Tim Burton. Just add underneath a film by director HENRY SELECK and move on SHEESH

American McGee. END OF STORY

No, it's still Tim's. Film is, by its very nature, a collaborative medium. So, there are always people without whom a film would be very different, yet it is not "their film". It might be a lead actor, it might be the score's composer or it might be the hired-gun director working for someone else. Tim was in charge. If he wanted something changed, it was changed. If Selick wanted something and Tim didn't, who would get their way? Tim. It's Tim Burton's film and both Danny Elfman and Henry Selick were instrumental in making Tim's film as good as it could possibly be.

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

So you're saying that Tim being in charge is what makes Nightmare his? Do you extend that logic to the Disney execs, who greenlit the film, as well?

only 43 likes is criminal

@theothervault

3 ай бұрын

Ha! I'm just glad to hear that you enjoyed this one!

All three did the work I don't see what there talking about I see tim make the art, mister animation copy his work and direct it and mister Danny Elfman did his music...that about it. No point of adding anything to it

Wow, Elfman was lucky he didn't get dragged to holiday events. Oh how wonderful to be a child and NOT have to be forced to hang with toxic family members. You didn't miss anything Elfman. X-mas is not what its publicized as.

Burton is a hack - he hasn't done anything good for years and years and years - and the reason this movie is good is because of Henry!

THIS IS A TIM BURTON ORIGINAL AND THAT'S IT! DISNEY GAVE THE CREDIT TO THE ONE AND ONLY MASTER MIND BEHIND IT. I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS

Henry Selick is a great director but he is jelous of Tim Burton talent.