"IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911" MY HEART BLEEDS FOR ALL THE INNOCENT SOULS THAT LOST THEIR LIVES IN THAT ILLEGAL AND FALSE WAR!!! 💔

@neiltitmus9744

20 күн бұрын

That's what everyone was saying at the time but we're told there was sensitive information we could not see that confirmed that Iraq had wmd ,at that point I said to mys3lf OK but if not then you are all for it .these people still have not payed this bill and probably never will.5hen USA wanted Tony Blair to be middle east envoy you can't make this up.lol

@canadiangemstones7636

19 күн бұрын

What about the Kuwaiti’s? Your heart feel anything for them?

@Pauliewalnuts_822

19 күн бұрын

​​@@canadiangemstones7636Are you seriously taking that position still after everything the anti war movement said is, and was, 100% accurate? Give your head a wobble.

@Time12345A

19 күн бұрын

@canadiangemstones7636 What does Kuwait have to do with the fabricated Iraq war that cost more than a million innocent people their lives and homes? How do you feel so many people losing their lives/livelyhood, I wonder?

@Time12345A

19 күн бұрын

@@Pauliewalnuts_822 ♥️

Campbell hosting this particular podcast is the equivalent of Alec Baldwin being judge and jury in his own personal manslaughter trial.

How Campbell has the bare faced cheek to discuss Iraq is beyond me. He has no shame but then again, we all knew that.

@chindit6784

24 күн бұрын

Because one of the spies were literally involved in the new Iraqi government. You would complain if he had said something or said nothing.

@LowlierThanThow

22 күн бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. How preposterous; the sheer audacity of Alistair Cambell. Shamelessness taken to new levels here.

@robert-gs4ih

22 күн бұрын

@@LowlierThanThow Him, Blair and Brown should be totally embarrassed to show their faces in public.

@farzanamughal5933

22 күн бұрын

You'd rather he was silent about the topic?

@chindit6784

22 күн бұрын

@@farzanamughal5933 these people will complain whatever he says.

The quality of the guests on this podcast and the maturity of the conversations is breathtaking. It's absolutely fascinating to listen to guests of this standard being interviewed in such a capable manner.

@stephenhardy312

25 күн бұрын

I agree completely with your comments. A very articulate, well-informed and worldly contribution

@ninopavkovic9382

25 күн бұрын

Morally seen, those individuals from the British Sectret Services, are the equivalent of the agent Smith from the movie "Matrix". Only in the domestic bubble they appear like somebody positive. For the rest of the world, they are wrongdoers of the worst category.

@ghotio1927

25 күн бұрын

They're literally spies who lie and cheat for a living and you trust what they're saying ? more fool you sir

@MarkSiosal

24 күн бұрын

1:08:39 1:08:39

@CallousCarter

24 күн бұрын

​@@stephenhardy312 Thery'e certainly articulate but I don't think they're well informed or insightful. With Intel chiefs like these it doesn't surprise me that we are continuing to lurch from one self made strategic disaster to another.

I forced myself to Listen to this excellent discussion as I loathe Campbell. The brass neck of him to sit there not acknowledging his part in the lies surrounding 9/11. What a treasure Eliza is

@Thewestisthevirus

18 күн бұрын

Same here. She knows about Campbell and is giving him a slap

@amnaali2688

14 күн бұрын

They are all threat to the world. Every single one of them sitting on this panel.

@Gunni1972

13 күн бұрын

@@Thewestisthevirus You call that a slap? Once the Empirical mindset takes a foothold again, you will notice that it usually is delivered by a whip. She is afraid of trump, because he threatens to take away that whip, and use it for HIS agenda.

@colinstewart1432

11 күн бұрын

Her father was a Nuremburg judge, I believe. Her credentials are flawless.

@lw1zfog

11 күн бұрын

@@colinstewart1432 hmmmm, did he sentence Fritz ter Meer ?

I wish Alistair would admit that he was indirectly involved in the death of Dr Kelly. He has no sense of guilt.

@tommyi6667

19 күн бұрын

I agree regarding Dr Kelly but in the kindest possible way, this is a podcast and even though we may pick up on items we never knew I would assume that Alastair and moreover were and are under the Secrets Act, we will all be dead and buried and even then our great, great grandchildren possibly will not know. Is it justified regarding Dr Kelly, No but as they say"we couldn't handle the truth ".

@DavidJohnson-yg8qm

17 күн бұрын

They think we have forgotten this so called suicide.

@Gunni1972

13 күн бұрын

I wished Alistair would stop contradicting himself.1) "No. Regime change is not our aproach" Seriously? And not a minute later, he comes up with Which countries could be "added to the list" in which we did. 2) He sees Trump as a threat to NATO (When NATO is the USA's threat to everybody else) and a threat that Article 5 loses it's meaning. Well, how convenient is that? NOW, when Ukraine is losing, and actually NO one wants to support them. Same with Israel, who is slaughtering civillians, even foreign aid workers. USA is FULLY supporting it. And all because of a Pipeline from Gaza to Italy. because a certain Syrian "Dictator" did not want one built through his country. Also, Saddam had used his Chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war. They have an expiring date. So pretty much every "specialist" who knew they were used, also knew, there wouldn't be any anymore. Saddam was forced into that war by the USA, just like Zelensky. As a revenge for the revolution against their Shah. Alistair should at least tell half of the story, If he wants to "regain trust". He looks really bad. And to ethics and Morals i say: Regime change is often bloody. WHO is held accountable for such "Operations"? as it often contains MURDER, RAPE, INTIMIDATION and THEFT. And i am not even touching How the City of London, The IMF, and the ECB force nations into Debt traps,by trade agreements, which eventually leads to "certified Nutjobs" like Milei, in Argentina. Colonial Force Projection. THAT seems to have been YOUR JOB. Well hidden from Public, Alistair.

@colinstewart1432

11 күн бұрын

Many believe he leaked the name...🤔

@LeeGee

10 күн бұрын

So no proof?

You have to get Eliza back on she's so straight talking and no nonsense. It's like a breath of fresh air

@sherlockgnomes8971

22 күн бұрын

I wish we could have a PM like that 😂 not going to happen any time soon unfortunately😢

@richsan4923

21 күн бұрын

These cretins do far more harm than good and always have.

@sbwords

20 күн бұрын

I felt she had more to say about Campbell and his cohorts distorting around Iraq. He won’t have her back and the tame Tory ex-spook is too timid to push the issue.

@henrytan5588

20 күн бұрын

British Intelligence is the longest agency and one of the best. The US started with the OSS from scratch and developed into the CIA . Yet the CIA still refer to the British Intelligence Stations around the world. But the UK should not be have a person like Edgar J Hoover. The ISI of Pakistan always tell the politicians that ISI is always there but not them.

@mspenelope6874

19 күн бұрын

Straight talking double agent. Yeah right.

Virtually the whole country knew that. When Bush said "Iraq" we were all screaming at the telly "Wtf's Iraq got to do with it ?".

@frankmahoney1268

16 күн бұрын

OIL.

@davidlamb7524

16 күн бұрын

@@frankmahoney1268 Yes. And smoke-screen cover for the actual culprits.

@CYCHIATRIC

16 күн бұрын

Well they're both spies and the other two are politicians. You don't expect them to tell the truth do you?

@annalehman93941

14 күн бұрын

​@@frankmahoney1268you read my thoughts, how?

@Joe3pops

14 күн бұрын

In Canada most Canadians, including our left leaning(marxist) prime minister smelled sh!te when George in 2003 turned the shell game from Afghanistan to Iraq. So glad Canada did not become involved in Iraq 2.0 family fued. Bush versus Saddam.

Wasn’t Campbell the one who made the invasion of Iraq “sexy” and got up on Newsnight lecturing us. I wish David Kelly was here to be asked some questions. Oh wait, that was Campbells first body.

@colintook3357

23 күн бұрын

Poor David Kelly would have been a great addition to the conversation here around Iraq, would have certainly got Campbell squirming.

@denythenaysayer

22 күн бұрын

Kelly wasn't "working for the good of the country" so had to go....😉

@sherlockgnomes8971

22 күн бұрын

@@denythenaysayerHave some bleeding respect , your emoji just makes this comment very twisted.

@blondie7341

21 күн бұрын

Thank god someone else made this connection. I cannot believe Campbell is being praised here after that performance on Newsnight!! 🤬

@howwwwwyyyyy

21 күн бұрын

​@@sherlockgnomes8971I'm fairly sure David Kelly would have no problem with the use of an emoji when someone is clearly pointing out that he was murdered

Blair didn’t care that Iraq didn’t have WMDs, he just wanted to become rich and famous.

@howwwwwyyyyy

21 күн бұрын

He was already rich and famous, there's much more to it than that, one day it'll be made clear

@captain_nero

17 күн бұрын

@@howwwwwyyyyy I heard he is due to take on WEF looool

@Gunni1972

13 күн бұрын

@@howwwwwyyyyy It is clear: You can hear what he admires with the chinese: Collecting power, and Project power. He should work in an S/M studio.

@colinstewart1432

10 күн бұрын

The truth proved inconvenient to his political ambition. So one million dead Iraqis later, the undead ghoul called Tony Blair still roams the earth. He sits atop a throne of skulls.

@russmartin4888

Күн бұрын

✡️ v Muslim

It’s scary that they’re sitting there constantly avoiding the fact that ALISTAIR CAMPELL was instrumental in confusing and supporting the event that led to Iraq. Be sure to remember that all the analysis of this horrible conflict (on HIS podcast) will only seek to exonerate himself

@Lattakeoff

6 күн бұрын

You don’t think they may have supported his view at the time or been complicit in the whole sorry saga ...?

I think this is my favourite KZread video. As a Secondary School pupil, I really liked Eliza Manningham-Buller and don't care about her background. She cut through crap like a hot knife.

"Mistakes were made," said an entree in the Understatement Of The Year competition.

@TheoverseasPakistani-sz1bb

22 күн бұрын

Yeah 😂. What a bunch of lies they speak even now. They all.knew it was an illegal war back then.

@YA-hm5zy

21 күн бұрын

No mistakes all calculated and planned. With the complicity of the media.

@rob14

20 күн бұрын

Yet they continue with their stupidity with the anti trump propaganda and ignoring reality.

@c.jjohns6758

16 күн бұрын

Mistake? Sure. And Biden is just bad at his job

@colinstewart1432

10 күн бұрын

Presumably mistakes by someone. The use of the passive tense is particularly annoying.

Mistakes, millions died a mistake That's why we are hated Mistakes were made Unbelievable

@keesverhagen9227

15 күн бұрын

No mistakes. The same as what They did in Iran and Ukraine. The US and the UK combined equels Evil.

@samanthagarbettcharles4205

13 күн бұрын

They make ya sick ,a mistake ! 😢

@naijaman6639

13 күн бұрын

When you make this point, thèy call you names and try to smear you. Terrible hypocrites. Shameless KZread, I await your acts of deleting.

@luchseterna

13 күн бұрын

English are so incredibly self loathing. You should look clearly what other countries have done. Past is in the past. For me as a foreigner Great Britain was a great empire and now a great land suffering from self destroying politics.

@LeeGee

10 күн бұрын

If we were hated we'd not have problematic immigration, legal or otherwise

That is 1 reason for putting Bush jr. and Cheney in prison. It absolutely had nothing to do with 9/11

@Stillmorning

19 күн бұрын

Maybe Campbell can do a stint with them

@dougieranger

13 күн бұрын

And Tony Blair.

@rogerroger9927

10 күн бұрын

Sorry those are liars. USA and UK knew that Iraq had nothing to do with9/11 and Iraq had no WMD. They invaded Iraq for 2 raison; 1 for the oil and 2 to destroy military power ( remember that USA and UK armed Iraq against Iran).

Campbell was complicit in the great deception. His levels of self-deception are beyond measurement.

@Dcc-yk2lo

20 күн бұрын

I'm sure you have some evidence? Feel free to post it. Why was he cleared of wrongdoing in all of the Inquiries about the Iraq war?

@craigpruess5565

16 күн бұрын

@@Dcc-yk2lo- getting the gov’t to investigate itself never works, despite all the smug appearances of an “independent investigation”… 🤣🤣🤣

"Too much focus was placed on individual intelligence sources." They knew this at the time and went ahead because Blair promised Bush that British involvement in Iraq part two was a go. A million people marched in the UK....

@TheoverseasPakistani-sz1bb

22 күн бұрын

Yes absolutely, they knew it then. Now they are just trying to squirm their way out of it by twisting words and just plain lying 🤥

@howwwwwyyyyy

21 күн бұрын

Nothing new

@rosella1919

20 күн бұрын

Australia’s Prime Minister Howard, followed his fan boy; George W, into that war. We had no right to be there. 🇦🇺

@TM-rq3jp

19 күн бұрын

So many people died in iraq and afganistan and libiya as a result of war on terror. What about nuclear wealons of isreal

@owaisahmad7841

17 күн бұрын

USA was leader of gang of tugs comprising USA, UK, Australia and few others. UK went on to elect the legendary US lapdog Blair again !

This is probably the most intelligent and fascinating broadcast that The Rest is Politics has ever done.

@alanbarker2279

18 күн бұрын

It certainly had a lot do with Intelligence... 😛

😂the "nukes" threat of Iraq was Sadam's petroleum export in currencies other than the USD

@sulevisydanmaa9981

4 күн бұрын

As w Khad ...

EMB came across as knowledgeable and formidable. Glad that she was forthright in calling out the hoax that was Iraq & I noticed Alistair keeping mum at that point.

@PauloAdriano-zo2ng

23 күн бұрын

Any chance average Iraqi citizens could sue the British & American governments for reparations? 🤔

@parkgate-ub1ey

19 күн бұрын

​@PauloAdriano-zo2ng and where would that money come from? Tax payers ? Then no thanks we pay far too much

@user-wd6ni4xu4n

18 күн бұрын

These people I don’t know about the lady but laughing after being part of and causing the deaths of over 2 million civilians and I forget how many children died of starvation. The British and western media forgot to tell us. Is disgraceful. If America and British acted honestly with other countries instead of stealing their natural resource there would not be a need for spy’s. It’s the bullying that other countries can’t accept.

It is only due to the quality of these two guests that I could stomach an hour and a quarter of a conversation in which Alastair Cambell was present.

The absolute cheek of Alastair Campbell to sit there talking about Iraq and dishonesty in politics.

She didn’t fall “into” MI5 by charnce! You went to the “right” school, had the “right” family, “right” connections. You’re the establishment protecting the establishment. Someone taps me in the shoulder at a “dinner party” it’s to tell me there’s no beer left in the fridge.

@chevalierdupapillon

24 күн бұрын

Exactly. She is the daughter of a former Lord Chancellor, Viscount Dilhorne, and of his wife who was an earl's daughter. All of her eight great-grand-parents were from titled families (a duke's daughter, an earl, two earl's daughters, a baron from the younger line of a ducal family, a baron's grand-daughter, a baronet and a baronet's younger son). She then went first to Benenden School, an independent boarding school placed in a country house, and after that studied English at Oxford. All these things taken together (plus of course a million close family or friendly relationships with people in influential positions) would have made her someone whom the recruiting person could immediately have recognised as 'one of us'.

@maccamcfcflc

18 күн бұрын

Spot on man

@frankmahoney1268

16 күн бұрын

@@chevalierdupapillon one of us,umm,,,.the key for entry,,,.

@jimmy6283

7 күн бұрын

​@@chevalierdupapillonyes they all stay together, familys name is everything

@jameslong9921

21 сағат бұрын

​@@chevalierdupapillonWell said Mr Butterfly.

Wow. I loved this! We need more openness and transparent honesty! In particular Eliza, respected her bluntness and honesty.

I think the child who brought up Lumumba was spot on how confident are we that we've been on the right side of history. Also getting a job via a tap on the shoulder at dinner party wow!

@nomsashezi9775

24 күн бұрын

That tap on the shoulder really made me pause…either WOW or she is having a laugh at us

@casteretpollux

24 күн бұрын

Britain is a class society.

@kingeddiam2543

20 күн бұрын

That was a long time ago, though im sure it still probably happens to some extent

This podcast should be mandatory for secondary school students. Its so refreshing to hear intelligent people having a well thought out conversation. Great episode :)

@user-lh8lk5wk5g

24 күн бұрын

As a year 10 student, I agree

@PauloAdriano-zo2ng

23 күн бұрын

​@@user-lh8lk5wk5g 😉

@fghezelbash8731

18 күн бұрын

"intelligent people"?!!!!!

@Thewestisthevirus

18 күн бұрын

They also need to know the history of what happened

I don't know how Campbell has got the gall to sit there & discuss Iraq

@michellegilder1558

6 күн бұрын

They keep diverting when it gets too close to him …..as he squirms in his seat

Alistair sitting innocently like he never advocated for the war, never rounded up the troops

@benwilson6145

25 күн бұрын

He was not a member of hr Government, he was an advisor,

@dilonkumar4960

25 күн бұрын

@@benwilson6145oh please his hands are drenched in blood like yours ,let’s see how you would react if children are killed

@benwilson6145

25 күн бұрын

@@dilonkumar4960 Remove your head from your bottom and pretend to have a brain!

@heycidskyja4668

25 күн бұрын

@@benwilson6145 That makes his actions worse rather than excuse him.

@ftumschk

25 күн бұрын

Leaving the "advocacy" aside, he certainly never rounded up any troops.

Get the two spies their own podcast: rest is espionage?

@robc8892

25 күн бұрын

Or the the rest is classified 🤣

@suhailski

25 күн бұрын

@@robc8892 hahah, your title is way better than mine.

@DCMamvcivmEvony

24 күн бұрын

Would be awesome. A podcast along similar lines that you may enjoy is called "the hacker and the fed". A podcast where an ex black hat hacker and the FBI agent that dealt with his case and prosecuted him discuss all things hacking, cybersecurity, scams etc. Its pretty good.

@Thewestisthevirus

18 күн бұрын

Yes!

@SpiritOfMontgomery

17 күн бұрын

@@robc8892the rest is [redacted]

As Eliza insinuated the Iraq Dossier was Campbell’s (bullying) work…

The lack of shame from the 2 presenters is absolutely breathtaking. One a political propagandist who promoted the illegal invasion and the other one got to live out his victorian fantasy of being a British colonial governor as part of the illegal occupation.

@lw1zfog

11 күн бұрын

hilarious isn’t it

Loved the contrast between Eliza and John - one very clearly a straight-talking career Intelligence Officer and the other a very skilful diplomat.

Slightly confused why the quote "Iraq had nothing to with 9/11" is the thumbnail. Isn't that a bit like quoting someone as saying that on a sunny day the sky is blue? Are there really still (sane) people who are unclear about that?

@danjones4551

20 күн бұрын

I just want to add that water is wet

@Joe-og6br

17 күн бұрын

In America it was really pushed on the public that they were linked. In the UK it was WMD.

@ferozabismilla637

12 күн бұрын

​@@Joe-og6brand I am sure that only in America, do some people still think that, that is still the case

@LeeGee

10 күн бұрын

It's the source of the quote that is significant. Tsk....

@danjones4551

10 күн бұрын

It was purposely carried out in such a way so it's hard to solve. Five different events made up the attack or six if you separate the towers. You have to break the whole event down to in to parts to even start asking the real questions. I believe that the pentagon was the most important target and the towers were a distraction. People would be more likely to have this view if the pentagon was the first building to be effected that morning. I always found it odd that one of the Saudis can be heard telling the passengers that they are returning to the airport. Why would you bother saying that because it would make no difference in their aims. I know that even back then a commercial plane of that size could be flown remotely. Maybe they were framed but im sure at it would have needed at least two entities working together to carry it out. It will puzzle me forever not because I'm a conspiracy theorist but because I don't like being lied too. All the insane claims that no planes even entered the towers is so unhelpful, and discrediting.

Thanks all. Such a pleasure to listen to thoughtful people taking like adults.

Given the litany of stupidity we hear from members of the current government, it's reassuring to hear the voices of informed experts.

@ianjames3078

24 күн бұрын

And our political leaders would rubbish our public servants given a risk to their egos.

@EppingBlogger

23 күн бұрын

What a shame, then, that the security services allowed themselves to become handmaidens to the Blair lies to Parliament about a causus beli in Iraq.

@Burdetski

22 күн бұрын

Dr Kelly RIP

Amongst the best single podcast episode I've ever listened too. Thanks!

Its almost as if with this podcast they want us to believe MI5/MI6/Government are trustworthy ......so we trust them in future events. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@michellegilder1558

6 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

The way Eliza teleported out of the studio was most impressive.

@billder2655

21 күн бұрын

like yoda in episode 6😂

One of the best videos I’ve watched in a long time, glued to the video from beginning to end. Well done chaps

Rory backtracking rapidly after being called out for exaggerating was a gem.

I don´t think for one moment ex members of the British Secret Services could be either open or honest. Managed truths and lies at best. Alistair and Rory gave a very polished presentation as usual.

Been listening with ever increasing amounts of respect. So good to listen to people who'd normally never seek the limelight.

Excellent interview with incredibly interesting guests.

Campbell was wrong. I wish he would admit it.

@andrewharrison7767

24 күн бұрын

I wish he'd be as vehement in his confession as he is whenever brexit gets raised

@casteretpollux

24 күн бұрын

I wish he was in jail.

@Gazpacho8

21 күн бұрын

@@andrewharrison7767 I wonder if he regrets helping sink labour in 2019 considering how much he hates Johnston, oh dear if only there were an alternative!

Talking about difficult and interesting subjects. No screeching, no sermonizing. Just four grownups in a room talking, what a show! Maybe it will catch on...

@user-kl6os3gd5s

21 күн бұрын

Corny

Eliza is excellent. Outstanding guests. Thanks, guys.

Two brilliant guests with their feet firmly on the ground! I thought we had lost such sensible folk!

Amazing content! Keep it up lads

Really enjoyed this episode

Completely fascinating! So refreshing to listen to such high quality discussion from brilliant guests!

Utterly brilliant. Thank you so much for this amazing interview.

Interesting discussion. I keep banging on about Gaza/Israel and hoping someone, other than me, recognises that this crisis isn’t just about the Hamas atrocity; it is a continuation of events that started in the year I was born, 1948 and the Nakba. You displace a population that’s been there for hundreds of years, you steal their land, settle it with your own people; you oppress the refugees, you let Lebanese militias murder men, women and children in refugee camps, you even divert the water supplies away from their remaining land, you build walls round the small areas you’ve allowed them to retain, you let your settlers run riot, kill their animals, burn their orchards; the list goes on and on; and then, when the inevitable happens and they revolt, you murder men, women, children, foreign aid workers, medical staff; you even kill your own hostages who are trying to tell you that they are Israelis: this cycle of theft, atrocities, repression has to stop or be stopped. And if the Israeli State won’t act, won’t change; then the West has to. There are enough on both sides who recognise that the future has to be a viable Palestinian State and a viable Israeli State at peace with each other. Whether you are a Palestinian or an Israeli; that is the only humanitarian chance your children and grandchildren can have of living a decent secure life. If this isn’t sorted, and sorted soon, there will a massive war eventually in the Middle East with death and destruction on a scale far in excess of today. Now some folk will react to this by classifying me as anti-semitic. I have close friends on both sides: I grew up with friends who’s mothers and fathers survived the Concentration camps in Germany and Poland….so don’t jump to that antisemitic assumption please! It’s being used too often as a political excuse in my opinion. I am an old man and it grieves me to my soul to witness what I see happening day after day in Gaza, the West Bank and in Israel and to know just by bitter experience that it will happen again if wiser heads do not prevail…and if necessay do not enforce.

@khar12d8

24 күн бұрын

1948? The Romans burning down the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD was when it started.

@Mounhas

23 күн бұрын

I was also born in 1948 and only wish I had your clarity in expressing in what I think. For me, what has happened in Palestine is comparable to what happened to the native peoples of Australia, Canada & the USA.

@flangekiwi

22 күн бұрын

Thank you for your eloquence and humanity ❤💔❤ For all our children and grandchildren, we must do better than this #OnePlanet 🌎

@ashhowardgolf3865

22 күн бұрын

And how about the Kurds?? Always conveniently forgotten

@catinthehat906

22 күн бұрын

The problem is a significant proportion of the Palestinian population don't want "a viable Palestinian State and a viable Israeli State at peace with each other". No surprise that the one election held in Gaza in the last 20 years elected a party whose stated intention was the destruction of Israel.

This was a fantastic joint interview. My partner and I listened to it in silence during a recent car journey. It was bliss 😂 please do a part two!

I’d just like to say this was one of the most interesting and informative podcasts I’ve ever listened to. Truly excellent stuff, thank you. I have a huge amount of respect for the people who work in military intelligence and devote their lives to the protection of our nation’s values.

Fabulous interesting guests, thank you.

What I truly enjoy about this channel - parroting other comments posted here - is the quality of both guests and the “grown up” conversations being held. We’re not all deaf and dumb to the realities of real politics. Thanks for treating us like adults. 😊

Absolutely fascinating. Experience, integrity and intelligence on full display around the table. Could have listened to these wise folk for hours. Thanks to Rory & Alistair for this brilliant series.

Fabulous interview and completely fascinating. Thanks guys!

Superb. Insightful. Engaging. Thank you all. BTW, I’d never heard of Eliza before - a real gem of a human being. I wish her more influence in the future.

I like my spies being as thoughtful as these two. They have served their country well. Brava and bravo!

@realjprc

22 күн бұрын

Yeah all three spies in this episode were great

Thank you best programme for years!

Excellent interviews, thank you.

*Christopher Hitchens easily and effortlessly defeated all arguments against the 2003 liberation of Iraq.*

@Kavafy

9 күн бұрын

No he didn't.

An incredibly good interview - really fascinating stuff!

"Are you writing the Labour Manifesto Alistair?" 😂 Eliza is superb.

Been a long time since Ive been proud to be British, so listening to these dedicated, clever and decent people - products of UK education, society and values - working at the core of UK public institutions -is a real revelation and morale-booster. Thanks. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@TheSurrealWolf

21 күн бұрын

Nicer listening to these people on st George's day rather than watching thus hugs in plastic armour outside Westminster

@davidLPST

20 күн бұрын

Clearly you exclude Campbell from that statement

@TheSurrealWolf

20 күн бұрын

@@davidLPST Talking about the guests noob

@davidLPST

20 күн бұрын

@@TheSurrealWolf great, then I am with you because Campbell was up to his neck in that mess. BTW, not my first rodeo commenting on this podcast. Like many on here o can’t forgive him his role in that war.

@TheSurrealWolf

20 күн бұрын

@@davidLPST I don't think I can forgive Starmers cowardice on Gaza either

Fascinating discussion. I could have listened for hours. Thank you

best yet, brilliant, thank you

Your BEST one yet! Fantastic insight, questioning etc! Top quality, fascinating content!

You guys are spot on... Rory legend!

Best interview I have heard this year!

Amazing episode again. The quality of this podcast is unmatched. Super insightful in a short amount of time. The candidness of these individuals compared to their U.S. counterparts is very much appreciated.

Rory trying to pretend he isn't/wasn't 6 is quite funny ... :)

@jonathonjubb6626

25 күн бұрын

That answers a nagging question. It's not just me...

@robc8892

25 күн бұрын

If you read his book about walking across Afghanistan it is clear from.how he describes things he has had some sort of training by someone.....

@senorpillarblock3050

25 күн бұрын

​@markdaly1648 I'll be honest, I'm deeply confused by both of your comments. Are you Irish or American? It'll help understand your comment

@realjprc

24 күн бұрын

I always thought Rory was Mi6, why else would he have walked across Afghanistan if not for intelligence gathering? Just seemed so obvious to me that it didn’t need to be said. Also his connections worldwide.. it’s just so obvious

@markdaly1648

24 күн бұрын

​@@senorpillarblock3050I'm Irish

Fabulous discussion. Thank you!

I thought we already knew this. Such individuals interviewed are going straight to Hell, let’s not mistake ourselves thinking they performed dignified work or served the public honorably. Such dour, sour, haughty arrogance.

It's interviews like this that make this podcast so special. I am a simple middle aged woman who takes an interest in politics but is no politico, yet I find these interviews must listens. Thank you for educating me.

Listening now I find it ludicrous that there was not sufficient oversight to challenge the governments view, in order to avoid an occasion where a weapon expert felt they had to make a nuanced remark on the validity of evidence in consideration to their own assessment of Iraq's WMD capability. (The claims appeared to be quietly withdrawn as fast they were made, as if the projection in parliament was indeed for effect). The subsequent assault on public servants & institutions who basically questioned the logic were basically told 'it not in the national interest'. It therefore begged the question what was? The weakening of BBCs impartiality, to establish 'a yes men culture' arguably dismissed scrutiny to the point, the conditioning to be patronising for the listener. Tony Blair with his augments, did not make sense at the time! How to avoid conflict is supposed to be the key!

Thank you, Rory and Alistair, for this brilliant podcast and the most intelligent heads of UK.

This is a very informative podcast. Great content and very intelligent people speaking truths. Subscribed.

51:54 "...they, by and large, are exceptions" 🤣 Sawer appeared to me to be sanitising of intelligence work, and this segment just confirmed it. Manningham-Buller seemed more genuine.

@casteretpollux

24 күн бұрын

As the CIA guy said not so long ago " they taught us to lie and cheat". Secret services are by definition obliged to lie constantly.

Rare glimpse into our intelligence system....great episode.

Easily the best Leading episode so far. Astonishingly frank and open - detail included I didn't think would be okay to mention. Shame there isn't a part 2.

Interesting to listen to these first hand insights and summaries of our more recent history. Basically they agree that much was fixed in the context of Iraq. One question of many that remain is, if the UK will ever find the backbone to go against US intentions. Looking at that episode it seems quite obvious, that the intelligence services were more a tool to rectify than to investigate thoroughly. To remain measured the latter seems a more sane approach as we in Europe are more often than not suffering the consequences of actions.

@RobBCactive

25 күн бұрын

Like passing on the Vietnam war and protesting against the US invasion of Grenada?

@oliverbergfeld1606

25 күн бұрын

@@RobBCactive was the baton really passed on though or was it eagerly grasped by the US..? Not sure and honestly do not really care all that much. As for Grenada, the Monroe Doctrine did that for you

@casteretpollux

24 күн бұрын

US strategy since the end of the USSR has been " Disaggregation of Europe". The negative outcomes of US actions on Europe / the UK, can't be assumed to be accidental. Europe, severed from Russian gas and oil, is now a set of vassal states to the US. Gaza as well as the Ukraine war is being wrecked in part in the struggle fro control of oil. .

I was on a run ashore in Brixham from Courageous in 75. We were a sneaky boat. A young chap from MI5 joined us. Stood out like a sore thumb. (His mission was to find out how much of a security risk we were when drunk. Which is why he stood many rounds. Which was nice).

Best vlog cast I’ve seen in a while

Wonderful conversation! Fantastic hosting of fantastically interesting guests!

Absolutely brilliant

Fantastic podcast. Wonderful to listen. It was a great pleasure. Keep up the good work.

Really incredible interview

Invading Iraq was the biggest political discredit to the USA and the UK. Please, listen to France at least from time to time.

This is one of the best conversations we have had. And I've got the pleasure of listening to.

They should be asking the host why he created the dossier to influence the papers.

@DJWESG1

21 күн бұрын

It was from America, they lifted it from a students essay apparently and everything else hung on that. The fact our own ppl are so easily led and misled shows that none can be trusted. Even if they mean well. They put us all at risk.

This was fantastic. Thank you for sharing

Fantastic episode. Refreshing to hear such grown up discussion.

Regime change, illegal war and interference in due process exerted by the US (51:49) From someone who pays relatively little attention, here’s is a list I’ve made myself, of places where I know the US have exerted illegal influence, if not all out war and regime change. Cold War and onward: Iraq Afghanistan Chile Granada Cuba Vietnam Guam Mexico The Philippines Hawaii Panama Honduras Nicaragua Haiti The Dominican Republic El Salvador WW2: Japan Korea East China Germany Italy Now I’m not saying that their support for the allies in WW2 was a problem. Although even here, and immediately after WW2 the style of operations of the US as a conquering force was certainly designed to effect the changes that suited their own political interests throughout, as was the case, to a lesser extent with the UK as well. For John Sawyers to suggest at 51:49 that these are exceptions, seems rather a stretch, when it really looks more like a long term strategy is behind this pattern of policy operations, rather than it being merely a few exceptions.

@thepoweroflove3281

6 күн бұрын

And Yugoslavia NATO aircraft bombed Yugoslavia from March to June 1999 without the approval of the UN Security Council. The operation, which lasted 11 weeks, was called "Allied Force". More than 2 thousand civilians and 1 thousand military personnel became victims, more than 5 thousand people were injured, more than 1 thousand were missing.

Great discussion, well done for getting these two intelligence big beasts in a joint interview. Thanks.

Very interesting discussion, thank you everyone.

Great interview gentlemen. My thanks to you both, and your very interesting guests, for the interview and to all for your public service over the years.

I like the little boy who asked about Patrice Lumumba (I am from South Africa) ❤

Fabulous and insightful as always - I just wish that all political discourse could be this intelligent and well mannered. I think more people would be engaged. Keep it up chaps!