From a TRIP point of view, it is important to hear and listen to as many different perspectives as possible. Find some of our other videos on the matter here: - A View From a Liberal Israeli: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a6WV2ruKodDgeco.htmlfeature=shared - The Palestinian Perspective: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c6inttV8dtvYfqw.htmlfeature=shared

@knyazhefilms2154

7 ай бұрын

This is the worst explanation I ever heard. Facts are wrong , nuances are missing and twisting the story. Who started the war in 1948? Who accepted UN proposal about two states and who did not in 1948? When PLO was created? How “occupation” appears after 1967 and not before1967 when it was under Jordan / Egypt control? Why new arab state was not created during 20 years of such control ? Your “great explanation” somehow forgot to mention those issues.

@strongaesthetics

7 ай бұрын

@@knyazhefilms2154you‘re totally right, I mentioned it somewhere below. Thank you for pointing it out.

@MaxTom-cx8ur

7 ай бұрын

What do you mean by a TRIP point of view? Googled but couldn't find an explanation!

@cazche270

7 ай бұрын

@@MaxTom-cx8ur Have you seen the name of the podcast...?

@MaxTom-cx8ur

7 ай бұрын

@@cazche270 hahaha doh! Thanks

As a committed "Not Tory" voter for 40 odd years, I alarmingly find myself thinking again how good it would be to have Rory as PM. Well informed, thoughtful, nuanced and realistic, here as ever. I probably don't agree with some of his political views, but I do see intelligence, integrity, and good motives. It's usually interesting listening to you both.

@daverothery9713

7 ай бұрын

Crazy to think he’s what they could have had, instead they chose Bojo the clown, Truss… at least the mask finally came off and now the country can see what they’re really about.

@philipmulville8218

7 ай бұрын

I couldn’t agree more.

@ibablo

7 ай бұрын

OMG!! I was just about to type same comments. (I'm not a Tory voter though and I've never been) Thank you so much for articulating my thoughts even much better. Peace ✌🏽

@paulorocky

7 ай бұрын

Guys like Rory will never get further than preselection. Honesty and intelligence are not qualities valued in the political sphere. Backstabbing, sucking up to donors and media moguls, looking good on TV, those are the qualities that get you far.

@Weakeyedominant

7 ай бұрын

It's why he never would have made it as PM.

From someone who is from Belfast and knowing what sectarianism can do to communities and how evil operates. I sympathise with all those innocent people. On both sides.

@whitetroutchannel

7 ай бұрын

its grim mate, thou the middle east well out dates our issues its still mental, could you imagine howitzers pounding the shankill or falls to flush out the uvfers or ra

@PoldarkGodzilla

7 ай бұрын

But it’s easy to condemn hamas for killing babies and children ! But the left seems to deflect from that , and sounds like trump and says I sympathise with both sides … sad and chilling

@peterc9568

7 ай бұрын

Islamic extremism is far worse than Christian extremism.

@artseosamhogriobhta

7 ай бұрын

wow some fine banality and platitude. Tell me, do you wish they could all just get along?

@peterc9568

7 ай бұрын

@@artseosamhogriobhta not whilst the parties of God are in charge. Cough cough, Hamas, cough cough Zionism.

Great explanation by Mr. Stewart. I'd been looking for a concise and clear explanation of this complicated issue, and I finally found it. Thanks.

@ciararespect4296

6 ай бұрын

Clear as mud. Skirted over sykes picot and Balfour declaration

@Itaivarochik

6 ай бұрын

As reliable as the BBC😂

@theselector4733

5 ай бұрын

Not really. He left way too many important details out.

@theliardian4723

3 ай бұрын

The Invention of the Land of Israel From Holy Land to Homeland, Shlomo Sand: "Would anyone today consider encouraging an Arab demand to settle in the Iberian Peninsula to establish a Muslim state there simply because their ancestors were expelled from the region during the Reconquista? Why should the descendants of the Puritans, who were forced to leave England centuries ago, not attempt to return en masse to the land of their forefathers in order to establish the heavenly kingdom? Would any sane person support Native American demands to assume territorial possession of Manhattan and to expel its white, black, Asian, and Latino inhabitants? And somewhat more recently, are we obligated to assist the Serbs in returning to Kosovo and reasserting control over the region because of the sacred heroic battle of 1389, or because Orthodox Christians who spoke a Serbian dialect constituted a decisive majority of the local population a mere two hundred years ago? In this spirit, we can easily imagine a march of folly initiated by the assertion and recognition of countless “ancient rights,” sending us back into the depths of history and sowing general chaos." It is incorrect that all Jews living in Israel today are descended from the Jews who lived in Judea around 70 AD. The majority of the current residents are descended from people who converted to Judaism centuries later, mostly Khazars. Incorrect is further that the Romans succeeded in expelling all Jews from Judea, as Shlomo Sand mentioned earlier, convincingly argues.

@tamaramousley8597

23 сағат бұрын

@@theliardian4723 They expelled them but many lived in the area from then on. The land was taken over by many other empires after the Roman Empire but the area was always occupied by Jews even when many people were displaced like Armenians etc. The Jews no matter where they were pushed many still stayed in the geographical area.

'Going back 3000 years ...' Rory, you are an absolute star and this should be required listening for everyone. Thank you both for opening a little window of sanity in a world of madness.

@stephena1196

6 ай бұрын

One just need go back to the power vacuum left by the fall of the Ottoman Empire in WW1. In 1915 Britain promised to support the call for independence of former Ottoman territories to enlist their support against the Ottoman Empire (the Great Arab Revolt). While in 1916 Britain, France and Russia had secret talks, the Sykes-Picot Agreement, to carve up the Middle East into spheres of influence. Russia's Bolshevik government published it 1917 when they seized power. The 1918 Anglo-French Declaration promised to support independence to territories of the Ottoman Empire, included Palestine. Britain "got behind" the Balfour Declaration because they wanted the sphere of influence, they sought with Sykes-Picot.

@timcookson9879

6 ай бұрын

I'd wondered if '3000 years ago' was tongue in cheek? after that a fair summary.

@FoziyahNel

6 ай бұрын

He's leaving too many things out.conveniently

@FoziyahNel

6 ай бұрын

One sided talk cos he's scared to speak the trugh

@environm3ntalist549

6 ай бұрын

what is the truth then?@@FoziyahNel

I so wish we had serious, measured and professional people like Rory in government. Quite a few MP's could learn a lot from his morals and the way he presents himself. Keep up the good work Rory and Alastair. 💙❤

@cynthiamartini8982

7 ай бұрын

Rory just gave a complete Ahistorical account of the region which only propagates the problem. He should learn something about it before giving a lesson full of propaganda and lies that keep circulating.

@only1kingofsing

7 ай бұрын

Lol... Alistair Campbell and Blair ruined this country...

@Captain2Pig

7 ай бұрын

I find Rory Stewart to be well informed and balanced. I really struggle to refund any trust or respect for alastair after the Iraq shame

@SteveSingerFowkes

6 ай бұрын

Tories kicked Tory out Probably because he was too professional for them Says it all

@cuebj

6 ай бұрын

They have both learned a lot since they were involved in government. Tbf, Stewart was learning on the job and realised limitations of assumptions before he was kicked out of Neo-Tory party. Almost want people like this to get life experience, go into politics to learn, leave politics to reflect and explore deeper nuances, go back into politics

How refreshing to have a space which acknowledges both sides in this conflict and applies an intelligent understanding in interpreting events there.

@grrr.9998

7 ай бұрын

Can you imagine if these pair of scoundrels had applied the same efforts in their political careers as in this podcast instead of being lying, money-minded machine men?

@ShahidKhan-ke8fe

7 ай бұрын

and factually incorrect.

@rhobatbrynjones7374

7 ай бұрын

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe Most summaries are. Which facts do you contest?

@ShahidKhan-ke8fe

7 ай бұрын

@@rhobatbrynjones7374 the ones I've listed in my earlier post.

@rhobatbrynjones7374

7 ай бұрын

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe which can be found where exactly?

Appreciate the nuanced and rational discussion of this difficult topic. Happy to see that 1.3 million people have listened and wish that several billion more would…

@youssefdirani

5 ай бұрын

I believe we should call for a referendum. The most rightful thing is a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Otherwise, the immigrants who stole the land should go back to where they came from.

@GA-sn1hn

2 ай бұрын

That would be 1.3 millions views not viewers, watched at least 30 seconds. Sorry to be so pedantic.

@Chiara-fh4op

13 күн бұрын

The Palestinianns were not the "original inhabitants". If the Jews had not been under attack from rhe Arabs continously they wouldn't have needed their own homeland. Also, didn't the Arabs also displace many Christians and other nationalities through their conquering phases in Europe, Near, Middle and Far East and Africa. If HAMAS had not organises so many suicide bombers then Israel and Egypt wouldn't have blocked their entry into their countries. They play victim but those in Gaza are also perpetrators of evil and horrific violence.

@harrydestaffano565

12 күн бұрын

@@youssefdirani Hmmm, did you miss the start of the video, who were the true owners of the land, oh the Jews were the true owners of the land, said Rory! The video ignores some basic facts like the 1947 UN vote for 2 states, the 5 Arab armies who launched a genocidal war to drive the Jews in to the sea an hour after Israel declared it's independence, spoiler alert, the Arabs lost that war and lost territory too (that happens when you loose a war). The video also ignores the Jordanian annexation of the so called West Bank and Jerusalem, Jordan gave all the Arabs living their Jordanian citizenship, children received Jordanian birth certificates, whilst Egypt took control of Gaza and children born their received Egyptian birth certificates. I bet you knew none of these facts! There was no call then for a Palestinian state. Jordan and Egypt too the land. The people were Arabs, not Palestinians. That changed in 1964 when the Soviet Union, wanting to have more influence over the United States in the area, created the PLO and made an Egyptian Arafat its' leader. I bet you knew none of these facts either! The problem is most of the Arab leaders are just greedy selfish people, skimming millions for themselves and their families, holding on to power through force bribery and corruption. Hamas leadership in Qatar has a net worth of 11 Billion Dollars, mostly earned from taxes on Gazans. T

@youssefdirani

12 күн бұрын

@@harrydestaffano565 How do you think natives considered Z people coming to historical Palestine after WWI ? Welcomed or by-force guests ?

This is one of the best descriptions of the situations I've seen full stop!

Thank you gentlemen. This discussion is exactly what I need hear. What a mess. My heart bleeds for the innocent men, women and children from both "sides" who are experiencing suffering beyond my comprehension.

@topbanana4013

7 ай бұрын

if someone killed your family over the wk end and someone kills them people who did it. are you going to say you feel sorry for them. i dont think you will sir

@somniumisdreaming

7 ай бұрын

I wouldn't want babies bombed.

@danamarie8718

7 ай бұрын

@@topbanana4013The comment was about the innocent people on both sides. It was not about feeling sorry for the Hamas terrorists.

@beniteztheconman

7 ай бұрын

Iraq ? Campbell and bliar

@user-ut4ce1fd8f

7 ай бұрын

Totally agree it was a balanced insight, im sure all the religious extremists will beg to differ because there indoctrinated into hate from day one! And still the innocent suffer, such a shame.

I’m glad Rory left frontline politics, he was too good for the swamp and this way he kept his hands clean. He’s of much greater service as a thinker, educator and advisor. That’s his real talent - to counsel and advise, using his considerable talents of being able to analyze the journey from A to B. He can see the journey both past and future, and therefore provide very useful predictions that can help to figure out the best actions to take.

@andrewrichards9176

7 ай бұрын

Yes, but the real question is whether the people who matter would actually listen to him. Keir Starmer could do much worse than appoint him, via the House of Lords, to be his Foreign Secretary after the next election.

@AndrewRedman01

7 ай бұрын

That's an interesting perspective. I mean, on the face of it I 100% agree... but surely on subjects as important as this, shouldn't ALL politicians be able to understand the journey from A to B, now more than ever? I sometimes wonder if there should be basic qualifications, perhaps a "license to practice" required for politicians; to ensure a base level of competence. After all, the politicians have now required that of anyone wanting to come and live in this country!

@lawrencew3703

6 ай бұрын

Lefts right

@geralddaish754

6 ай бұрын

Perhaps the UK political landscape would be less of a festering swamp if Rory Stewart would return to service. I think it's a tragedy that he's not our Prime Minister, or at least in the HoC. Interesting idea below of Starmer recruiting him for Foreign Secretary...

@julietsolomon9429

6 ай бұрын

Not if he gets it wrong from the start, which he did.

Rory , what a superb summary of the Israel/ Palestine conflict ,balanced , clear and plenty of hair rearranging. Thank you .

@dawnjohnson3263

6 ай бұрын

Smile😂

Hi Rory, I admire your work so much. I’m so glad you are educating us on the Middle East.

Thank you for explaining such a difficult history so lucidly. My heart aches for every innocent involved.

@willowbell3756

7 ай бұрын

He explained nothing, read your history. There was no real states then and Israel was tiny and the Jews were not always persecuted, it depended on the dynasty. Also Britain and the Zionists including bin Gurian, can't remember spelling, did not lift a finger to help. The first camp was set up in the 1920s, Jews like Rothschild had lots of money. Forgot but Britain killed loads of Jews on the boats too.

@willowbell3756

7 ай бұрын

He excluded the whole antique history.

@leambayu5988

7 ай бұрын

@najmaalikhan watch the video "RIght wing gov a gift to israel settlers" 5:82 a jew talk about to kill a billion people who oppose jews, decapitating other tribes Thbe current generation of Jews are barbaric and uncivilised.

@binsarm9026

7 ай бұрын

@@willowbell3756for a 10 minute TOTAL summary, it was sufficiently touched on for people to explore further on their own - any more would start going into "biblical claims" which would be less useful in understanding the *present* situation.

@JonathanBarnes

7 ай бұрын

No it isn't difficult only your tiny brains ability to think is. Judaism predates Islam by 1000 years and the original peiople living in Palestine/Israel were Jews. Because Islam is a pathetic violent ideology based on a Jew killing child raping warlord called Mohammed the Jews in Israel were displaced by the Palestinians. All Religious buildings in Israel predate the 7th century and the formation of an ideology the World would be better off without.

My god, Rory was such a loss to UK politics... Seems like a really nice, honest and fair man. Such a shame politicians like him just have to get out.

@fyank1

7 ай бұрын

Sadly there is no place for decent, intelligent and honest politicians like Rory in Westminster.

@naughtynightlifeasia857

7 ай бұрын

Another self-entitled posh boy!

@STORMDAME

7 ай бұрын

He was my MP for years and though he was a Tory, and I am very much not, I always found him to be dedicated and hard working. While I had/have many complaints against his party and their policies I don't have many against him.

@philthewriter

7 ай бұрын

The problem when people vote for charisma over intelligence.

@IntelligentArtefact

7 ай бұрын

@@philthewriter You mean the scruffy liar over the nice guy?

THank you for sharing. Never was there a more critical need for facts, trust, truth and transparency.

Subscribed off the back of this conversation thanks very much. Always learning 💪🏼

I’ve been meaning to catch your podcasts for literally months, but this is the 1st I’ve managed - helped for me by the KZread format! I think Alastair hit the nail on the head at the start when he says that the situation requires nuance that is lacking in mainstream media coverage. I was dimly aware that there was history, but Rory’s summary explains it very well, and I also love that he is at pains to say that other people will see things differently. It is very refreshing to have experts stating their understanding of a situation/ subject and simultaneously recognising that this is not the whole story. Thank you both.

@DunningKrugerJnr

2 ай бұрын

I’ve always thought that the issue with Western media’s coverage of the current genocide is the lack of nuance 🙄

Rory is very knowledgeable and smart, and the discussion was well balanced. Good work guys.

Thank you both...nice to hear some balanced and reasonable perspectives as well as usefully informative summaries on the history of a toxic situation which all reasonable people hope finds a peaceful solution as soon as possible

Excellent. I hope this overview reaches as many as possible.

The settlers encroaching on Palestinian owned land, aided by an ultra rightwing government, have really made the dire situation in the region worse

@marktill1197

7 ай бұрын

Have you not listened to anything in this podcast

@samishah1947

7 ай бұрын

@@marktill1197 watch alot of cnn do you ?

@welshgruff

7 ай бұрын

It's not surprising if you recreate a state that hasn't existed for 2000 years and put it in a place that's been the land of others for that period and you make many of them refugees that continuing violence results. Britain and the UN have some responsibility. Too many people in that region believe their god has given them the land as their right, makes it so difficult to get a 2 state solution.

@moalllivesmatter

7 ай бұрын

Why is Hamas being labelled terrorist and Israel isn't? Why should Ukraine be supported against Putin and Palestinians don't have the same right as Ukraine? So now one religion believes from 3,000 should supercede our current reality? What a shame.... after a visit to Israel, I came back as an atheist so I do not want to associate myself with a religion or a book that's just based on word of mouth and that which has been legalised by world leaders to kill a fellow human.... I will continue to say it, I stand with Palestine 🇵🇸

@TheAlbinoskunk

7 ай бұрын

The settlements in Gaza were dismantled and it led to more war and death. Why would the West Bank be any different?

Keep filming and recording these; they are informative and enjoyable !!!

@lobintool

7 ай бұрын

"Enjoyable"? Really? What exactly do you enjoy about witnessing the misery of your fellow human beings?

@JamesCarter-ok9nl

7 ай бұрын

Im talking about the podcasts @@lobintool

@lobintool

7 ай бұрын

@@JamesCarter-ok9nl So what? Does a podcast disolve you from humanity?

@NoLefTurnUnStoned.

7 ай бұрын

@@lobintool You should probably go and lie down dear.

@lobintool

7 ай бұрын

@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Care to elaborate?

Thank you for providing a balanced perspective of a very complicated issue

As someone who has lived in Israel for 43 years, and having developed strong connections with both Israelies and Palestinians, I found it very heartening to hear such a sensible, balanced presentation of the painful, heart breaking situation we are now in. Many thanks.

This podcast is my favourite. I started with the rest is history years ago and I’m only now putting faces to voices. Thank you for all your amazing work.

Rory Stewart is a national treasure. The Conservative party should have voted him as leader. Manages to sum up a 3,000 year old subject in about 10 minutes!👌👏.x

@michaelparkinson3439

7 ай бұрын

He went from 1000 Bc to 1800 ad, the idea that Ashkenazi have any right of return in the land between the Mediterranean and the jordan river is farcical. You may as well say that catholic people born in Manila have the right to live in Western Europe.

@villhelm

7 ай бұрын

Ah! Someone who actually knows about the Khazar conversion in the 9th century… most Ashkenazi aren’t even semitic people!

@hgsb1229

7 ай бұрын

He forgot to add that the Palestinian Arabs weren't merely displaced before 1948 but actually village inhabitants were massacred throughout the land. Amazing to think their national minister ben gvir has been charged with supporting a terrorist organisation and for inciting racism.

@mingkalli1716

7 ай бұрын

I have told, there was no jewish state, as their gods cursed them for not following moses teaching and their worship of a golden calf. Thus their diaspora around the world. And a sect of jewish people never wanted state of israel until the coming of their messiah. Everyone in the media is gluttoned with jewish narratives.

@HENJAM48

7 ай бұрын

If only... The Boris years would have been avoided, and I would be talking to my parents today.

That was a very succinct description of Israel from1900s to present day. Yes I see similarity with Apsrteid in South Africa Thank you

In Rory’s account of the steps leading to the State of Israel, he failed to mention the Sykes/Pico agreement which was a carve up by Britain and France of the remainder (excluding Turkey) of the Ottoman Empire following the World War 1. These custodial arrangements were to be given the blessings of the League of Nations as temporary stages on their way to statehood. Unfortunately the League self dissolved and the British were left holding a very difficult baby in Palestine.

@fcb9950

4 ай бұрын

The agreement also promised Arab independence from Ottoman empire if Arabs helped the allies in WW1 defeat The ottomans who were on the side of the Germans but alas renaged on their promise

@ChuckAmadi

4 ай бұрын

​@@fcb9950 Hence the 2 Nation State. It's a State but not to the Arabs liking. Here we are today.

@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0

2 ай бұрын

​@@ChuckAmadi What's ur point

@nickjung7394

6 күн бұрын

And, of course, finding itself in a no win situation, with their position being undermined by the French, the US and the UN the British, under Atlee withdrew and handed things over to others....and I don't blame them!

This is delightful. Thank you Mr Stewart for so much insight and for a much needed space for nuanced debate.

@cockoffgewgle4993

7 ай бұрын

"Mr Stewart" is a war criminal and responsible for at least a million dead Iraqis and Afghanis. Him hosting a discussion on the Middle East is like Ted Bundy hosting a discussion on domestic violence.

@formulaic78

7 ай бұрын

I wrote a book about the full history of this conflict. Rory is pretty much bang on in his history and his interpretation.

@eranronen573

7 ай бұрын

​@formulaic78 what's the name of the book?

@formulaic78

7 ай бұрын

@@eranronen573 It's called Bullied. I actually delisted it on amazon cos it's impossible to publicize it as a no name writer and publishers felt there was no market for an allegorical retelling of the war (I'm certain there would be if it was put on shelves but I've no control over that). If you were interested I could relist it for you though even at free.

Rory Stewart, a man that is always worth listening to no matter if you agree with him or not

Thank you so much for clearly advising me on such a difficult matter.

Informative, clear and concice. Excellent job, thank you!

How a people that suffered so much in the past can make another people suffer so much in the present,goes beyond my understanding.

@joannecheekes2396

7 ай бұрын

That is what I find so difficult to understand

@markcynic808

7 ай бұрын

It's quite simple, a tiny country - about the size of Wales in the UK - and its people who all its surrounding Arab countries want exterminated has, and is, standing up and fighting.

@hoodwiser7652

7 ай бұрын

@@markcynic808does standing up and fighting mean restricting movement, water supply, food supply, shelter, etc etc of legal citizens? What a great outlook.

@nawkali

7 ай бұрын

@@markcynic808actually when someone steal someone's else land and home lives in fear . Always watching its back to not get caught. A thief can never live openly in peace .

@markcynic808

7 ай бұрын

@nawkali It wasn't stolen. It was won. You tried waging war time and time again, you lost every time. You're going to lose again. Give it up, you terrorist sympathiser. Oh, and pack your bags and find someone else's land to live on.

Thank you another excellent nuanced, thoughtful discussion. In a way relieved that Rory escaped the insanity of being PM. And so he now has space to think and reflect. Just wish we had more politicians like him.

Thank you for explaining this to me. I have lived in Belfast all my life and just thankful for the GFA.

Excellent explainer. Thank you Rory 👍

Very helpful and timely show. You present the issues clearly and perhaps as objectively as is possible. Thank you.

@normanthrelfall2646

7 ай бұрын

Here is some genuine information not widely known to the world populace: The Russians became concerned about how friendly America was becoming with Israel in 1963. So they contacted Yasser Arafat who became the PLO leader in 1964. At that time there was no Palestinian nation in the so-called occupied land. The Russians brought in Yasser Arafat to work for them, in order to populate the area and to create a Palestinian nation. Jordan is 80% Palestinian where these people mostly came from, then you have Lebanon and Syria. There was no Palestinian nation prior to 1964. The Jewish people have paid for every bit of that land which they inherited. The truth is the Palestinians are occupying land which does not belong to them. There has always been a two state solution: Jordan and Israel. The Jewish people want to live in peace and are prepared to share some of their land with the Palestinians so they can live in peace. The truth is Yasser Arafat never truly wanted peace with Israel, nor do Hamas now. If they had their way they would wipe out the State of Israel as a nation. When Israel became a recognized nation in 1948 they inherited a dust ball, and they have had to work the land since that time, so that it became the fertile place it is today, exporting its goods around the world. If it was not for the Jewish people that land would still be a dust ball today!

First time I’ve listened to this podcast. A very good explainer for someone like me who didn’t know the roots of the present situation. It’s a real shame Rory left politics, but I understand why.

@janedeacondeacon9832

7 ай бұрын

HE LEFT OUT THAT ISREAL HAS ILEGALY SETTLED THE WEST BANK I THINK NOW THERE 400 000 JEWS THERE SO THEY NEED TO LEAVE.

@YusriSalleh

7 ай бұрын

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@najmaalikhan

7 ай бұрын

You still left in the dark about this , he has left out lots details and context. He doesn't tell why the Arab countries attacked Israel. ( 1967 war) . It was in response to massive attack that Israel did on Palestinians in 1946, on the day of its inauguration. That is what triggered the Arab countries to response. And this truth was presented in a twisted way to make it look as if Palestinians did not want exist. There's more but this only comment section as it also needs supporting evidence and sources. But if I did that I would be censored.

@FallenLegend

7 ай бұрын

You still dont know anything, in first that was an oversimplification on beneficial of israel image, because there wasn't said the keywors of displacement, occupation, apartheit... you should not think that you know anything yet dude, keep digging. Israel is work throught and through, with crimes on the scale of crimes agaisnt man kind. Israel exists because the movement of holocaust? they are doing the same agaisnt palestinians. Israel is the same as Nazis in some points!

@Jojotonks

7 ай бұрын

@@najmaalikhan He had a limited time in which to summarise and explain the history, which he does, in a balanced and nuanced way. I think you have not fully understood his points, and I don’t understand what you can possibly mean by “this truth was presented in a twisted way to make it look as if Palestinians did not want exist.”

Thankyou for doing this. Wonderful incite

Thank you for explaining this and breaking it down for me.

Exceptional discussion. How Rory can articulate such complex history so clearly is a marker of his intellect. A brilliant episode about something horrifying

@vm5954

7 ай бұрын

So why was the state initially meant to be created in the south of sudan then?🙄

@JD-se2rt

7 ай бұрын

Rory is absolutley incorrect to say a "Ben Gurion led military assault" led to the creation of Israel. The United Nations established Israel. *(as above)*In 1947, the United Nations took a significant step that led to the establishment of Israel. The UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 181, also known as the Partition Plan for Palestine, on November 29, 1947. This plan proposed the partition of Mandatory Palestine into two separate states: one Jewish and one Arab, with the city of Jerusalem under international administration due to its religious significance to Jews, Christians, and Muslims. The proposed partition was a result of the UN Special Committee on Palestine's recommendations, which sought a solution to the ongoing Jewish-Arab conflict in the region. The Jewish leadership in Palestine accepted the partition plan, but it was rejected by the Arab leadership, both in Palestine and the broader Arab world. The adoption of the UN resolution did not immediately create the State of Israel but set the stage for its declaration on May 14, 1948, which was followed by the first Arab-Israeli war.

@Meme-dp9gn

7 ай бұрын

While Rory’s explanation was Brilliant,and I applaud him for it . Perhaps due to time constraints, there where aspect’s that where not covered and you’ve rightly pointed out that the Arab side has rejected the 2 state arrangement , and in fact this has happened on 2 different occasions some years apart , also they did not discuss when talking about the Gaza Strip . There is also the border to Egypt . So when saying there’s nowhere to go that is not correct. But Egyptian authorities have closed the border and consistently refused to allow access. The Arab world is huge ( as we are witnessing on many major cities across the world including. Britain and particularly London where demonstrations are going on that are intimidating to Londoners and this is not being managed at all well ,with current suggestions by met police for Jewish residents to stay at home ? ) Going back to Egypt , what have they been reluctant to relive some of the tensions in Gaza. As a brother Arab state this is a question that is not being asked for some reason . This situation is dangerous for the world at large , if the Israeli population where to do as the Hamas and Palestinian side would like , and vacate the country as a whole ,where would they go the whole point of the Balfour declaration was made in part as there was recognition at that time immediately following the Second World War , that displaced people needed a place to feel safe , the Israeli population have been very vocal I. Their distrust of Mr Netenyaho’s government and it actions in increasing settlements ,and ideally do not want the current government to continue In power as there are corruption charges being brought against the P.M as the country is predominantly secular ,and liberal where as the right has become more and more extreme. The people demonstrate but cannot change anything and now their will have to be put aside for the time being , the many many Palestinians are being trapped I am situation that they have no power over due to the control of Hamas . On both sides people will die I. The coming war that many don’t want this is a disaster for them and this could very well escalate as it seems clear that Iran have been instrumental in helping set this conflict up so what is the world watching happen is this the start of WW3 . There will be no winners if that’s the case Imo

@thisisabsolutelystup

7 ай бұрын

Kicked out of the Tory party for being too intelligent.

@odineinmann5299

7 ай бұрын

​@@JD-se2rt because in an interview Ben Gurion bragged about open firing and killing Palestine citizens prior to 1948 and talked about how he wanted to force them out of their own cities....

Such a relief to see/hear such a responsible and sensitive discussion on the issue. Thank you.

Great explanation. Thanks, Rory

It’s sad that Rory is no longer a politician as he is always so calm ! Never been a fan of Alistair, but I found this very interesting!

Thank you for such a nuanced explanation of whats going on in Israel. It's becoming increasingly difficult to find a perspective that isn't biased or sensationalized in some way. It's strange that to get the news these days, I can no longer watch the "news" on mainstream media. So thank you.

@asingh7874

7 ай бұрын

Can't watch the news but can watch a bloke who created a fake dossier that led to almost 1m innocent Iraqis dying ..the friggin shameful hypocrisy of it all

@jclwhite

7 ай бұрын

There is no bias or sensationalization in saying Israel is an occupational state. They stole Palestinian land in recent history.

@pablopablo3834

7 ай бұрын

@@jclwhite It was given to them for a reason but of course that doesn't fit your narrative. After what the Nazi's did it was the only logical solution to relocate them to the Jewish holy land so they could take their fate in their own hands and be ruled by themselves. It still doesn't take away that Hamas are ISIS just by a different name. You can defend them all you want they would still kill you without hesitation. If you are American even more so than Israel they are funded by Iran after all. It sucks for the Palestinians who don't support Hamas but for the others they chose this. You play with fire you get burnt.

@mufasasdaughter4831

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you completely

@mansoormalik6787

4 ай бұрын

While, on the surface, this seems like a balanced presentation, the flaws in this summary, in particular the "benign" presentation of British involvement, can be dispelled by reading the best-selling and arguably most authoritative work written on the history of Modern Palestine: The Hundred Years' War on Palestine, by Professor Rashid Khalid of Columbia University

Rory, excellent as always. More people should listen to him.

This is by far the most clear and unbiased summary of the conflict thumbs up

It's important to mention that Jews have lived in historical Palestine before Zionism. Jerusalem was more than a third Jewish in the 19th century. Also, not all Jews emigrating to Palestine were European. Half of the current population in Israel come from Arab/Muslim countries where they were persecuted and expelled from.

Thankyou Rory for showing exceptional diplomacy and skill in explaining the situation by stating simple facts and showing empathy to all sides, a true humanitarian. My wife and I had a long discussion about how history is littered with examples of groups of people believing that they are somehow chosen or ordained. By its very definition this creates a schism, and that almost inevitably leads to the suffering of innocent people. It seems to be the tragedy of humanity, and as Bob Marley said "Until the philosophy which hold one race superior and another Inferior is finally and permanently discredited snd abandoned - everywhere is war". My thoughts and prayers are with all the innocents caught up in this.

@christopher9727

7 ай бұрын

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

@starloszelson4541

7 ай бұрын

Why are you being a black man into this?

@AngeloBetrulas

7 ай бұрын

Of course, he'll retract this after constant slavering cries of "antisemite!" from the Zionist lobby! He always does, ffs!

@aclark903

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, but God did choose the Jews. End of.

@augusthome9860

7 ай бұрын

@@aclark903 God is man-made. Man was the puppeteer and god his puppet.

Just love the way you can tackle such difficult topics. Wish others could have similar insights. keep it going guys

@beniteztheconman

7 ай бұрын

Ask al about Iraq?

Rory thanks for your 10min fast track explanation I have now passed onto my family what's app group as I tried and failed with what you just did so brilliantly.

This explanation was very kind to GB.

Thank you to Alastair and Rory, for demonstrating to us what the fundamentals of a functioning democracy are. Two intelligent, informed individuals, with integrity, discussing and debating fully-formed and nuanced ideas. Agreeing and disagreeing, all the while respecting each other’s right to different political positions. We really need to get back to a place where this is happening among the leadership of this country and not just on podcasts. Perhaps then it would filter through to wider society. I agree with an earlier comment, I’m not fully aligned with Conservative politics but I would be rejoicing to have Rory as PM, not just right now, but at any point. We need leaders we can respect, whatever our stripes.

@stephenderry9488

7 ай бұрын

Both of them reviled by their party establishments over the years for being too centrist.

@russellwright5141

7 ай бұрын

Campbell has integrity? You're joking. Stewart does but makes bad decisions, like being on this pod with Campbell.

I think Rory's explanation absolutely spot on. Fair, balanced and very informative. Well done

@AlwaysRetr0

7 ай бұрын

You didn't sense a whiff of pro-Israel agenda?

@alanharmon9970

7 ай бұрын

In his fast forwardz he did miss out a lot of relevant esseetial detail .like offering a the opportunity of an independent state .That was refused because because they wanted much more Try looking it up to confirm it's a point much overlookrd

@DaddyWorthers

7 ай бұрын

Well if someone occupied your house, you'd want it all back

@willowbell3756

7 ай бұрын

Pardon, history in one paragraph is a nonsense.

@PoldarkGodzilla

7 ай бұрын

Did he condemn Hamas ? 😂

Alastair, thank you for providing a platform to Rory Stewart, our lost statesman premier, whose clarity of intellect is a refreshing sitrep on the asymetric conflict between Zionism and Palestinian ghettos. Keith (Philly's dad).

Two quick comments:1. The state of Israel was recognized by the UN before the 1948 war. After Israel was recognized by the UN, it declared independence. Then the Arab countries declared war on Israel involving armies from Jordan and Egypt all the way to Iraq. Israel won this war of independence, which is referred to by the Arabs as the Nakba and resulted in some 700,000 Palestinians being displaced. 2. Another very important reason for saying that the Middle East was the safest it has ever been was relationship normalization between Israel and leading Gulf states. These are called the Abraham Acords. Many experts in the Middle East believe this to be one of the catalysts for the 7.10.2023 Hamas attack on Israel.

@rahimdeishinie3697

2 ай бұрын

Only that the Abraham accords was sabotaged by Israeli politicians, notably Netanyahu. He's not shy of boasting about it

Thanks guys for the calm and respectful conversation . Much appreciated .

Thank you both for such an informed, intelligent, nuanced and decent breakdown of the situation. It is badly needed in a world that looks like it is going completely berserk. Thoroughly enjoy watching/listening to the two of you from across the Channel. Sincere compliments and kind regards from the Netherlands.

@user-we4ih1tp7n

7 ай бұрын

yeah actually way more balanced than many guides i have seen popping up online since the war broke out. he had the sincerity not to start his discussion in 1917,and i guess other crucial points he didnt mention were missing due to lack of time.

@Pincer88

7 ай бұрын

@@user-we4ih1tp7n True. There's an entire history preceding few, if any know about of Israelites being prosecuted, mass assassinated, marginalized and even downright (attempted) eradicated. I'm also sick and tired of people who act as if Hamas were in the right: its leadership has vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, despite Israel having seceded its presence there when the peace process was still in working order. A point often conveniently 'overlooked' by apologists.

thank you gents very educational

I have a strong opinion on this - this measured cautious calm balanced discussion is helpful in and of itself while also showing us how to think about this difficult issues.

Little detail Rory missed out, which I think is also very important to note is that in 2006, the international community led by the US, pressed for democratic elections in Palestine, which Hamas decisively won. But seeing how the results were not what Israel and America had hoped for, all attempts were made to prevent Hamas from forming a government. I feel this was a missed opportunity.

@ItigertigerI

7 ай бұрын

He omitted a lot of historical facts that do not put Israel in a good light.

@iago9711

7 ай бұрын

Because in Hamas' charter they explicitly said that their intentions were genocidal and that they didnt want a single breathing jew left between the river Jordan and the sea. The Americans and Israelis had to essentially accept the fact that democracy in Palestine just wasn't in the cards despite the rose tinted view that Bush had about the civilizing force that democracy had.

@dermolado3351

7 ай бұрын

@@iago9711 I often find that political organisations, whether it be the IRA, the ANC or Hamas often threaten some form of armageddon when they are trying to demonstrate how serious they are. The reality is that they often act very differently when they are in government. This is a risk that I feel America and Israel should have taken in 2006 if they were truly serious about democracy and peace in the middle east.

@arjan2777

7 ай бұрын

@@dermolado3351 Maybe that would have been better but the Israeli live there and they are vulnerable. They are not inclined to take that kind of risks.

@AsphodeliaD

7 ай бұрын

Maybe because Hamas ran on an agenda which called for the eradication of Israel? That's a difficult thing for the world to get behind don't you think?

Shared this on Twitter - quite possibly the single most useful thing I’ve read / watched today.

Thank you, very helpful

Excellent debate by Rory Stewart, calm, verbose, and his knowledge quite exceptional. Worth listening too.I must add as a one time Tory voter, ( no more) it was a great loss that he did not win the conservative leadership!Anyway, a brilliant interview.

First time listener. Rory is amazing. His talent of explaining extremely complicated issues into understandable lessons is epic. I will be back for more.

@elizabethannedevaney8411

7 ай бұрын

Agreed

@marygib2939

7 ай бұрын

Was the downfall of England when he was not voted Prime Minister. Too honest for the House of Parliament.

@strongaesthetics

7 ай бұрын

Well, in his simplification he didn’t tell two important facts: - the offer of a two state solution right before the foundation of Israel (Arabs declined it) - neighboring Arab nations attacking the new founded state Israel in 1948 Sounds too convenient to let this out…

@richardjoyce7198

7 ай бұрын

He also didn't mention HAGANAH, or the stern gang

@user-gn7ej6vt6b

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I concur, Rory is so eloquent and well read. Glad he left politics - excellent educator/advisor. I could listen to him for some time.

This has been the best most reasonable informative debate I've seen on this subject to date. This needs to be widely seen in main stream media outlets!

@BoomsRiddico4868

7 ай бұрын

except for the way he breezes over WHY and HOW Britain got involved (Balfour treaty etc). Meddling and needing allies to aid influence in the Middle East and globally. Also brushes over the Zionist movement as though it was all done in a positive light!! A bit like how England delicately tiptoed into Ireland, quashed its people, language, deforested the Island for the Navy and royal houses around England etc etc. British people need to educate themselves!

@uwograd4045

7 ай бұрын

They mentioned that say NO Israeli government intends to dismantle settlements in occupied land beyond 1967 and on the contrary, they are adding to them.. can anyone PLEASE answer what hope do Palestinians have even if they totally give up any hint of resistance??? Why do all commentators who claim to be objective seem to ignore this fundamental question. What would they say to a Palestinian youth if they ask them about their future. Very sad

@JonathanBarnes

7 ай бұрын

Its been the most one sided ridiculous stupid argument I've ever seen.

@bordedup546

7 ай бұрын

​@@JonathanBarnesHow so?

@mattc7561

7 ай бұрын

It is incredibly pro palistinian It is incredibly pro Israel Depending on ones biases

Rory is such a clear and concise speaker! Alaistair & Rory, both held such a simple yet accurate discussion!

Thank you for this helpful and factual summary

So informative, thank you. You both delivered that with such respect and honesty. Very well done.

Just listened to all of that and felt, like almost everyone else who have commented, that this is just about the only place to find an intelligent and unbiased assessment of an horrific situation. Most of us wouldn't dream of taking in a two-line tweet from the likes of Farage and, by the look of it - without being able to listen to every word - Starmer's response wouldn't begin to live alongside Stewart's obviously deeply caring and detailed analysis. Stand in Lewisham East and you'd get my vote, Rory.

@bradhombre6912

7 ай бұрын

Fully agree. Even some of the people I usually find reasonable have struggled to stay even keeled on this. Pod Save the World has also done a good job.

@petercordwell2258

7 ай бұрын

Thanks Brad. Great name, the other one!@@bradhombre6912

@leambayu5988

7 ай бұрын

@@bradhombre6912 how about this for nuance watch the video "RIght wing gov a gift to israel settlers" 5:82 a jew talk about to kill a billion people who oppose jews, decapitating other tribes Thbe current generation of Jews are barbaric and uncivilised.

Thank you Rory.

I appreciated the efforts for respect: thank you brothers Rory and Alistair! Raza :)

A very honest, balanced and informative delivery of a complex and volatile issue. Great work, guys.❤

So good to hear such an emotive and complicated situation discussed calmly and objectively, giving a fair analysis of historical events leading to this dreadful slaughter of so many innocent people on both sides.

@ShahidKhan-ke8fe

7 ай бұрын

and totally inaccurate - even Israelis would say that.

@mr.meatsoup5639

7 ай бұрын

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe oh please do tell what are the inaccuracies?

@Challenger160

7 ай бұрын

​@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe I would also like to know the inaccuracies you've highlighted.

@ShahidKhan-ke8fe

7 ай бұрын

There was no STATE of Israel before the Romans. There was a KINGDOM of Israel. He completely leaves out that by the time of the Balfour Declaration around 90% of the inhabitants of Palestine were Muslim or Christian Arabs. In 1967 there was no attack on Israel by Egypt and Syria. Even Israel's supporters accept that Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt and Syria. He then goes back and talks about giving up the Mandate having just spoken about how the State of Israel was declared. Not exactly chronological. The UN did not recognise Israel, Israel applied to join the UN and it was admitted that was in the 1950s. There were no 1948 'borders', there were Armistice Ceasefire lines agreed in 1949. He skips the first Intifada in 1988 as though that wasn't important. He skips the PLO's recognition of Israel in 1988. There wasn't a Palestinian Authority in West Bank and another in Gaza. There was one Palestinan National Authority which governed both places. Neither 'emerged' they were created by the agreements between Israel and the PLO. The settlements weren't just built by settlers, they were built for the most part by the Israeli government. He completely skips the Second Intifada and goes straight to the withdrawal from Gaza. Hamas didn't take over the Gaza Strip, they won an election but they weren't recognised. He says there were then 'intifadas', the intifada had been going on for five years at that point. Hezbollah in Lebanon had nothing to do with Intifada. He leaves out Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000. He then skips 18 years of history - the massive growth of Israeli settlements which have made a two-state solution basically impossible. Absolutely appalling.@@Challenger160

@ShahidKhan-ke8fe

7 ай бұрын

There was no STATE of Israel before the Romans. There was a KINGDOM of Israel. He completely leaves out that by the time of the Balfour Declaration around 90% of the inhabitants of Palestine were Muslim or Christian Arabs. In 1967 there was no attack on Israel by Egypt and Syria. Even Israel's supporters accept that Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt and Syria. He then goes back and talks about giving up the Mandate having just spoken about how the State of Israel was declared. Not exactly chronological. The UN did not recognise Israel, Israel applied to join the UN and it was admitted that was in the 1950s. There were no 1948 'borders', there were Armistice Ceasefire lines agreed in 1949. He skips the first Intifada in 1988 as though that wasn't important. He skips the PLO's recognition of Israel in 1988. There wasn't a Palestinian Authority in West Bank and another in Gaza. There was one Palestinan National Authority which governed both places. Neither 'emerged' they were created by the agreements between Israel and the PLO. The settlements weren't just built by settlers, they were built for the most part by the Israeli government. He completely skips the Second Intifada and goes straight to the withdrawal from Gaza. Hamas didn't take over the Gaza Strip, they won an election but they weren't recognised. He says there were then 'intifadas', the intifada had been going on for five years at that point. Hezbollah in Lebanon had nothing to do with Intifada. He leaves out Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000. He then skips 18 years of history - the massive growth of Israeli settlements which have made a two-state solution basically impossible. Absolutely appalling@@mr.meatsoup5639

What an excellent objective analysis. Thank you.

Thank you. Excellent insightful work. Rory Stewart is exceptional..

Thank you for helping me understand the background here. Great to hear discussion and debate without party politics! I look forward to listening to more from you…

Listened to this in the car and found it fascinating. Appreciate you can’t cover thousands of years in 10 minutes but it’s been incredibly helpful as a guide and a starting point to investigate in detail. The additional image references are very helpful too. An incredibly complex and difficult discussion with very heated views but you helped many of us understand a little better. Thank you.

@bsahmed1

7 ай бұрын

The last paradox is that the tale of Palestine from the beginning until today is a simple story of colonialism and dispossession, yet the world treats it as a multifaceted and complex story hard to understand and even harder to solve.

The most balanced and comprehensive take on the issue..brilliant !

Rory did an amazing job articulating this very, very difficult subject/issue...decades ...historical, political, cultural etc. etc. Thank you Rory Stewart.

Thank you both for one of the only balanced and considered opinions of this horrendous situation! I have children and many grandchildren in Israel, although I'm not Jewish! Even sadder in many ways, is the loss to the British nation of two of its best known and informative political champions! Really appreciate all that you both contribute to our world dilemma!

@christopher9727

7 ай бұрын

Only Jesus Christ blood can cleanse us of are sins come to Jesus Christ today Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void. The Holy Spirit can lead you guide and confort you through it all Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

@whenpigsfly3271

7 ай бұрын

Helen Thomas had the correct solution.

@iknow2145

7 ай бұрын

oh yes, the british are everywhere, like an infestation.

Rory Stewert ….the finest prime minister we NEVER had . His history of Afghanistan is incredible, I’m not a particularly educated man but the amount of knowledge I’ve acquired from his videos has been invaluable to me Thanks Rory.

@brigidann23

7 ай бұрын

Perhaps the very reason he is so fair-minded and decent is because he never became prime minister.

@andrewdutton-nx3dh

7 ай бұрын

You want to listen to Russell brand .this must be heard . A Holocaust survivor speaks out two years ago on Israel and Palestine

@andrewdutton-nx3dh

7 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention hammas didn't take over they were elected in

@andrewdutton-nx3dh

7 ай бұрын

Just listen to Holocaust survivor two years s. Ago in Russell brand latest. This must be heard . Better than this flawed history and inaccurate in parts but he twisted the words to suit . I mean what you expect from a podcast of a war criminal and leftie loonatic ex mp

@robmetcalfe

7 ай бұрын

Rory's voting record??

Always considered and intelligent analysis. No cheap headline grabbing nonsense. BRAVO

Thank you.

The seemingly immortal stalemate that has engulfed the question of Israel and Palestine for over seven decades now may be a complicated one, but just how complicated is really an unknown quantity. In assessing the situation, scholars, politicians, activists, journalists and victims alike present their views and the public, largely ignorant of all the facts and highly susceptible to the dangers of prejudice, assumption and emotional reaction, either chose a side or retreat from the topic in apathy. We hear of Palestinian militants launching rockets over the border and we shake our heads in indignation. Then we see Israel retaliate with disproportionate brutality and wonder how such a thing can possibly be justified. When the dust settles, both sides accuse the other of premeditated murder and the whole thing begins again. The problem with this apparent catch-22 is that it is a superficial conundrum; a perpetual cycle of violence that cannot be interrupted by dialogue or mediation because its roots run far deeper than most people understand. I am not talking about the historical events which led us here. These are well documented and serve only to explain the general air of distrust and mutual suspicion between the two factions involved. If this were the sole reason things appeared so impossible to solve, the international community would have made far more headway by now than it has. The real issue, the 900 pound gorilla attending every effort at negotiation to this day, is one of territorial sovereignty. By this I don’t mean the periodic incursions by the IDF into Gaza or the West Bank. The question of Israel’s “right to defend itself” is a legitimate one, even if the means employed to achieve it are not always mired in temperance. What I am talking about is the right of Palestine to exist as a single, defined territory, unbroken and undivided by the arbitrary appropriation of land by its neighbor. Unlike the myriad of other questions involved, this one is clear and unambiguous. The IDF may feel it has a right to cross the Palestinian border - and under certain conditions I agree that it does - but that is not the issue. The issue is permanent settlement by Israeli citizens within the borders of Palestine. Of all the moral decadence, reactionary upheaval and misguided action in the region, the question of settlements and its many disastrous ramifications, is one for which Israel alone is responsible. No Palestinian government will ever succeed in quelling its own radical factions, nor achieve any wide consensus among its own people in putting an end to violent reaction, until this indignity is rectified. Human nature simply doesn’t have the capacity to endure a humiliation of this magnitude, and nor should it have to. The truth is that nothing Israel says or does in the name of peace or reconciliation will have any meaning as long as it continuous not only to allow this practice, but actively support it. Therefore every other argument is secondary to this one by necessity, if not inclination. You simply cannot claim to desire something while actively working to make that thing impossible. No nation on Earth would stand for an arrangement in which its own lands are divided arbitrarily by a foreign power and permanently occupied by citizens of that power. Palestine, as it exists today, is not a nation, as so should not be expected to function as one. One need only look at a map to see what the effects of the current situation are. It is not a country at all, but a piece of land dissected by concrete walls and the threat of force into a patchwork of disconnected territories that stifle the possibility of free movement within. In any sense of the term, Palestine is not a nation. It is not a distinct geographical entity. It enjoys no real sovereign rights, be they judicial, military or political. To pretend it is a nation and accuse it as such of belligerence, negligence or collusion is the height of both irresponsibility and hypocrisy. You don’t need to be schooled in the details or the history of the region to appreciate why little will come of any effort until this fundamental issue is addressed. And by addressed I mean that Israel must withdraw its claim on Palestinian land down to the last settlement. Not as a gesture of goodwill, or a concession to peace, but in recognition of the fact that to abuse the right of a people to exist as such without let or hindrance is to provoke in them all the violence and hatred of which humans are capable. This is not a question of individual responsibility for acts of violence. Murder is murder. No civilized society allows for the killing of one person by another, regardless of motivation. But to be civilized, a society must have the freedom to develop and support those institutions which safeguard it against anarchy and unsanctioned violence. There is no society in Palestine today, nor will there ever be unless the roots of self-determination are allowed to take hold and grow. I wrote this on Medium in August of 2014 and nothing has happened since that would make me change my mind.

@pablopablo3834

7 ай бұрын

Very biased. Would any country put up with unguided rockets being launched into their territory periodically? Most countries on Earth would have done worse to Palestinians decades ago. The Israeli's are supposed to just let Hamas constantly fire rockets at them? Oh I forgot its allowed because they had to create the Iron dome. So retaliation is disproportionate because most get intercepted. Moron. Hamas would kill you and rape your mother because you are not Muslim and fun fact they were doing that to other Muslims in Syria. Weird right? Also I wonder why Egypt isn't letting Palestinian refugees in? Funny that its almost like they know something you don't. Almost like you have no idea what you are talking about. Wait you are stupid? No way!

@amandadassonville4043

7 ай бұрын

4:16 I agree completely I just don't get how the world stood by for so long and refused to see this. I think Israels time is running out now. We are taking note of what is happening still in Palestine. And, our patience with Israel is running out and we see them for the monsters they are. 🐝

@leonjohnson6709

7 ай бұрын

Isn't a big part of the issue the ideology of Hamas, which incudes the extinction of Jews. Land or no land they want the Jews off the planet.

@timmurray9543

7 ай бұрын

Well said! So do you think Stewart's analysis is distorted then?

@antoniofarinaccio541

7 ай бұрын

It is not that complex at all, If Israel has the right to exist then by the same taken so is Palestine. The problem is Religion, in the ancient Aramaic language so I hare read not a expert, " The Devil is the one that divides." By the same token, Religion is the Devil. People should come to their senses, to live and let live. It really is that simple but...

It's brillant having video's like this. Thank you Rory and David.

@jellybeans4249

7 ай бұрын

Alistair*

@rorykeegan1895

7 ай бұрын

Who's David?

@kicka11

7 ай бұрын

@@jellybeans4249Alastair**

@andytc4840

7 ай бұрын

Thanks David

Morning Philip great review, it's a very thought provoking series that also forces the reader to question their outlook on many topics. One important note it's not a series for Audible as you need to be very aware of who's who and the many story arcs.

Amazingly concise explanation. Thanks

As ever, a great and informative overview by Rory and an attempt to clarify the impossible by Alastair, is well worth listening to - Thanks

Wonderfull discussion. Thank you. Sharing this on my social media because it is so important that people realize that several things can be true at once and both sides have a lot of blood on their hands. And being able to have empathy for innocent civilians both in Israel and Gaza does not mean that we are choosing sides.

What do Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell think this week? Now there are 10,000 + dead Palestinians and 4 - 5,000 children. Has the response of Israel improved the situation or worsened it?

@sookibeulah9331

9 күн бұрын

The key word in your comment is “response”. Did Hamas think the situation of the Palestinians would improve by them killing, raping and kidnapping 2000 Israelis? When planning the attack did Hamas think Israel’s response would be anything less than what it’s been?

Brilliant episode.

A truly educational and unbiased account of both the history and current-events in Palestine & Israel etc from Rory Stewart - probably the best synopsis I've ever heard. Well done Rory and well done Mr Interviewer - Campbell. We need more of this sensible, objective, and TRUTHFUL discussion from the British-Media with reference to any events whether they be here, or, about anywhere else in the World!? :)

@sparkle6462

7 ай бұрын

It's not unbiased, Rory skips the part where Israel don't have any rights to the land.

@rashidtemuri3419

7 ай бұрын

I disagree. It’s biased and incomplete explanation

@jamesthomas7928

7 ай бұрын

Of course you disagree @@rashidtemuri3419 But you are wrong.

@wr9209

7 ай бұрын

He literally skips over the whole ‘Britain promises Arabs and Jews Palestine for help to win WW1 then breaks it’ part of it, which tbh is probably the biggest point in all this.

@craigdoc6656

7 ай бұрын

​@@sparkle6462but weren't the Israeli's there first before the Romans chased them out. To be fair nothing will change while both sides believe in the fairy tale that is god and teach their children to hate the other side, it's going to constantly go around in circles

I know it's off topic but Rory Stewart did a brilliant documentary called Afghanistan : The Great Game. I'd highly recommend it to anyone with an interest that part of the world. Edit : First time listening to this channel and I have to say I was impressed by the balanced and informative discussion. Subscribed.

@leedavis6000

7 ай бұрын

I watched it bud, absolutely brilliant.

@yuval1716

7 ай бұрын

The History of the imaginary Palestinian state: 1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state 2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state. 4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state. 5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state. 6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state. 7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state. 12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state. 13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state. 14. Before Alexander's empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state. 17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was no kingdom of Israel in the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state. 19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. 20. In fact, in this plot of land kingdoms fell and fell .. But there was never a Palestinian state or a people.....

@bustabloodvessel5327

7 ай бұрын

@@leedavis6000 Yeah great documentary and it even got me to go and buy a couple of books on the history of the Great Game to find out more. Not sure if he made any more documentaries but if not, he should because he's got a great insight into the history of that region.

@stukei

7 ай бұрын

@@yuval1716 Never a Palestinian people? Really? The concept of "a people" is a lot harder to pin down than "state", surely. Aren't the Kurds a people? The Basques?

@idreeskhan8885

7 ай бұрын

@@yuval1716Yh you can keep going on about semantics you took Palestine but it was full of Muslims of which they kindly allowed Jews to live there too while they were getting slaughtered by Europeans. You then invaded and forced your way in there and European and American Jews kicked the Palestinians out of their land and founded a state based on being Jewish- a state which gives people citizenship from all across the world as long as they have same religion-what sort of fascist nonsense is this?. While giving the remaining bad land to the Palestinians. You have now continued to take away more and more of the Palestinians land while giving citizenship to Europeans and Americans because they’re Jewish. They had enough.

I really like Mr Stewart, he talks a lot of sense, I don't agree with his politics but as a politcian and a man he makes a lot of the other look dismal. Just bought his book looking forward to reading it

Fascinating. Thankyou

@restispolitics

Ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

Very good discussion and very informative. I will need to watch this again. I have myself become very concerned about the tendency to insist that one must chose a side in this conflict. I have no difficulty in identifying Hamas as an extremist terrorist organisation committed to the destruction of Israel and intent on preventing any peaceful solution. I also have no difficulty in condemning the ongoing war of attrition conducted by the Israeli authorities intent on eventually wiping out the Palestinian people. Both are driven by religious extremism which actively dehumanises the other side. This conflict has gone on all my life (I'm sixty-six) and I fear it will continue long after I am gone. I believe that Palestinians and Israelis are more than willing to live in harmony but that the leadership on both sides are intent on preventing that. It is the people on both sides that inevitably suffer.

@pardeeptandon

7 ай бұрын

The actual villains of this conflict were Christians of Europe who banished Jews from Europe and settled them on Muslim lands.

@karencowrie

7 ай бұрын

This is an excellent synopsis. But I have been curious about the Jewish Isrealis. We have heard about the racism the Palestinians experience in their day to day life. Isreal has created an apartheid state. So the question is can you say definitively that the Isreali Jewish population want to live in peace with the Palestinians and are they against the treatment the Palestinians have received over the years or do they share the beliefs of their govt.

@gregsmith1070

7 ай бұрын

I'm the opposite of an expert on this, but my take is essentially both sides need better leaders, they don't represent most people, especially with Hamas whom many Palestines despise.

@Alun49

7 ай бұрын

@@karencowrie A very good question. I would qualify my statement (which is suppositional, I acknowledge) I think that humans by nature prefer peace to conflict. However, people can be manipulated by powerful groups intent on conflict for personal gain. Religious factions on both sides have taken power in recent years and pushed their own agenda. The aim of the Israeli authorities would seem to wish to dehumanise the Palestinians and through apartheid ensure that there is no integration of the two groups. Hamas have done the same, and they clearly knew what the response of Israel would be to the atrocities committed last week. They don't care about the Palestinian people either, and want to ensure that they nurture hatred as they sacrifice the people of Gaza to an inevitable and unspeakable tragedy. More moderate leadership on both sides would almost certainly have encouraged peaceful agreements and a settled two State solution. I clearly cannot state definitively that the Israeli people want peaceful coexistence, but the flip side of that would be that it would be impossible to say that the Palestinian people collectively wish to annihilate Israel and its people. This is the agenda of Hamas, and the one they wish to embed in the people of Palestine, just as the Israeli authorities and religious factions wish to embed the belief that Israel can only be for Israelis and that Palestinians and indeed all muslims are barbaric animals.

@emac1968

7 ай бұрын

There was a program a while ago where Palestinians met Israelis where both had lost children or close family in attacks and the group organizing were trying to bring reconciliation and had succeeded in cases. Both parties tried to understand and support each other. There is hope but it has to be cared for.@@karencowrie

Very valuable analysis. I very much agree with Alastair Campbell's comment in the last two minutes. We have to be able to acknowledge atrocity and at the same time actively and genuinely seek a solution. Polarised angry positions get us nowhere in the long term - except more bloodshed.

@wales123100

7 ай бұрын

Shame he didn't try solutions when him and buddy Blair unleashed a war in Iraq alongside their mate bush

@adam7802

7 ай бұрын

Twitter is unfortunately a place where people feel instead of think.

This will never be over.