The Supremes Talk About Dresses and Who is Actually "the Oldest Supreme" | The Dick Cavett Show
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Icons of Motown, The Supremes, visit the Dick Cavett Show to sit down between performance sets and chat about how they pick out costumes, as well as who is "the Oldest Supreme."
Date aired - June 7th 1972 - The Supremes
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Dick Cavett has been nominated for eleven Emmy awards (the most recent in 2012 for the HBO special, Mel Brooks and Dick Cavett Together Again), and won three. Spanning five decades, Dick Cavett’s television career has defined excellence in the interview format. He started at ABC in 1968, and also enjoyed success on PBS, USA, and CNBC.
His most recent television successes were the September 2014 PBS special, Dick Cavett’s Watergate, followed April 2015 by Dick Cavett’s Vietnam. He has appeared in movies, tv specials, tv commercials, and several Broadway plays. He starred in an off-Broadway production ofHellman v. McCarthy in 2014 and reprised the role at Theatre 40 in LA February 2015.
Cavett has published four books beginning with Cavett (1974) and Eye on Cavett (1983), co-authored with Christopher Porterfield. His two recent books -- Talk Show: Confrontations, Pointed Commentary, and Off-Screen Secrets (2010) and Brief Encounters: Conversations, Magic moments, and Assorted Hijinks(October 2014) are both collections of his online opinion column, written for The New York Times since 2007. Additionally, he has written for The New Yorker, TV Guide, Vanity Fair, and elsewhere.
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All 3 of them are so elegant.
@truelies9187
2 жыл бұрын
Intelligent*
@modernworldiscrap
5 ай бұрын
...and beautiful
Lady SUPREME Mary Wilson kept The Supremes in top notch in the 1970s. They had several million selling hits & gave The BEST Concerts til 1977 when Ms. Wilson went solo... Give us More More More of The Supremes! "Dick Cavett Show"!!! This was a treat..
What beautiful ladies. Talented and a joy to listen to their stories and banter. ❤
My favourite Supremes were always Flo Mary Diana. Nothing beats that soulful combination and they were the originals.
DC is still the best interviewer ever letting his guests talk asking real questions etc.
@jackjules7552
2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see all three Supremes on the panel. Toward the end of Miss Ross's time with the Supremes Miss Mary and Miss Cindy were not allowed to speak at interviews much less sit on the interview panel with Miss Ross.
The supremes are The Best hands down they changed things so much for the better and they will always be remembered and loved
They were SOOOO GORGEOUS!!!!!?
Omg, these women's talk and manner of speaking are out of this planet, these females are incredibly graceful…..
@rebar1695
9 ай бұрын
Maxine Powell was their etiquette instructor. Look her up she has a fascinating story.
Jean Terrell - Such Majestic Class- Beautiful unique speaking voice!
@anthonypatterson6619
Жыл бұрын
I agree.
Thank you for sharing this amazing clip! Please post the entire interview and performance.
Absolutely enchanted by Mary.
@fifthbusiness1678
2 жыл бұрын
Me too. Goodness.
@babakazi5818
Жыл бұрын
We all r
PLEASE!!!! Can we see the rest of this show?
@TahariBlue
2 жыл бұрын
YES PLEASE! THE ENTIRE SHOW WITH ATHE SUPREMES!!!!
I loved the Jean Terrell years, such a beautiful voice. I was shocked when Mary died so unexpectedly last year (even if she was the eldest haha!) Weird intrusion at the beginning!!
My favorite solo by Meri Wilson" You are The heart of me" and don't let the teardrops bother you...... Give Mary Wilson the right song she can knock it out the ball park
Keep in mind, this is June 7, 1972... Lynda had only been in the group for a few weeks, as Cindy Birdsong appeared with them on Merv Griffin on January 27, 1972, and Lynda was recruited sometime in April. Of course, she was just a temporary stand in while Cindy Birdsong was on maternity leave, and so 15 months later, she was gone, and Cindy was back.
@rickb1488
Жыл бұрын
Lynda Laurence was never a temp stand in. She was hired by Motown on a permanent basis. After Jean left, Mary was giving more leads to Lynda. But Lynda was also pregnant and felt that management Mary had chosen was insufficient and so she too left. That is when Cindy came back. Now when Cindy did return Mary announced that this situation was temporary, but Cindy wound up staying.
Fantastic women, love to see the whole interview if possible.
Would be great to see them perform!
Jean Terrell was Sheer Class and Grace! This lead was majestic and magnificent, with a uniquely golden voice of sheer magic! She was far beyond superficial theatrics. Instead we see class and grace, and a sublime, intelligent manner...She is possessed of a vibrant inner energy thoughtfully doled out in precious, contained movements.
@fifthbusiness1678
2 жыл бұрын
My goodness ... that’s quite a tribute.
I don’t understand why you cut it so short l wanted to see the entire interview starting with the introduction of The Supremes coming on stage l definitely want to hear both songs they sang right to the very end of their exit from the stage
They were still recording great songs after Diana left with Jean leading the way. I simply melt when I see her knowing her voice was a fixture on my record player in the early 70s.
@jackjules7552
2 жыл бұрын
That is true. However, shortly after this Dick Cavett Show and the release of their Jimmy Webb album BOTH Jean and Lynda left the group. Jean and Lynda felt that Motown no longer was promoting them. The Jimmy Webb album did not receive any promotion from anybody. I heard the Jimmy Webb album and I have to say it may have been an artistic success but it did not have any commercial appeal. It did not even sound like a Supremes album with all of the extra chorus of voices that Jimmy Webb added to many of the songs. After Lynda joined after replacing Cindy who replaced Florence I think Motown just felt it hard to maintain any loyalty to the group with all the replacements going on. If it wasn't for Mary hanging on as the only original member, I doubt that Motown would have even acknowledged the Supremes as a group at all when Sherrie and Susaye arrived.
@shyman99
2 жыл бұрын
@@jackjules7552 - Yes, "Flow Joy" and "Automatically Sunshine" were two heavyweight songs in 1972 and sadly, what I consider the end of the second golden era of the Supremes. The goal of the Jimmy Webb album was supposed to expand their audience like the original Supremes tried to do with their periodic specialty albums. But it was a costly decision that ended their streak of hit recordings after Diana left.
@jackjules7552
2 жыл бұрын
@@shyman99 I completely agree. "Floy Joy" and "Automatically Sunshine" seemed to be the last hurrah for the Supremes as a group. "Bad Weather" which was released after "Automatically Sunshine" should have been a hit but it received next to no airplay which prevented it from going any higher than #87 on the national Billboard record sales/airplay chart.
@shyman99
2 жыл бұрын
@@jackjules7552 - Although I enjoyed "Bad Weather", I think the song I gravitate towards most after their Top 40 period ended was "Your Wonderful, Sweet Sweet Love". It did fairly well by reaching #59 and was part of the magic of 1972, which I consider the final year of my childhood. It's kind of symbolic that I lost my Supremes and the joyful innocence of youth at the same time. I guess that's probably why I adopted Jean as my second mother and why she means so much to me today.
@raycurry4168
2 жыл бұрын
But odd that Mary was NEVER a lead...always a background singer...
I love that Mary was always on!
OMG that was awesome....i wish we could have seen them sing. There must be taping of them singing on this show. Is that available somewhere for review?
Florence was my all time favorite Supreme ❤️❤️❤️❤️,,,,she was real,,,and Flo could really SING 🌹🌹🌹🌹I miss her Soooooo much,,,, I have a cd of her singing lead on the supreme songs and also all of her solo recordings from 1968..... Motown berry g. Did this poor woman wrong in every way.she was a true talent 💜💜💜💜💖💖💖💖💖rest in peace my Lady
elegant ladies
LOVE This, i wish i could see this whole thing tho, They sang The Supremes 60s Medley and Tossin' And Turnin' on this show.
Classy ladies
Lynda, Mary and Jean looked very beautiful and even sounded Great 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹💜💜💜💜
Mary Wilson had just gone 28 here. Sadly she died of heart disease in Feb 2021, just before her 77th birthday ...
I want to see the entire video
Dick handled this very well. The Supremes were terrific WITH and also WITHOUT Diana Ross. Both presentations were first class.
There were only two official lead singers of the Supremes: Diana Ross and Jean Terrell, both appointed by Berry Gordy as stabilized leads. Jean remained as lead for nearly four years. Hence, it was not a revolving door at the time of this interview. When Jean left, the group suffered a major blow and record production ceased for nearly two years. Mary worked hard to restaff and redesign the group as an ensemble act with herself and two or three singers very evenly sharing leads on all lps and performances. Scherrie was not a third lead and neither was anyone else. With Jean's departure the "unique Supremes voice" projected by her and Diana was gone, and the group sounded much more commonplace.
@anthonypatterson6619
10 ай бұрын
I agree.
@moogooguypan2514
9 ай бұрын
When Florence left, they were no longer the Supremes. A new group was formed. Call diana ross and the Supremes and they were still great but not as great. When diana ross laughed, they were still a pretty good group, but there was nothing special about them. Lynda, the one on the left is very beautiful, but I don’t know what kind of toys she has. They should’ve just retired the group and diana ross laughed. She was the star, and they couldn’t find a star to take her place.
Nathan Jones is still a great record
Damn They look fine
@TheDickCavettShow I LOVED This. And it was so intriguing and funny too! But I am so disappointed that I didn't get to see and hear them SING! After all, THEY ARE "THE SUPREMES" Would you PLEASE Post them singing as well? If you can! I Sooo LOVE The Supremes with or WithOUT Ross! Miss Wilson is there! And JEAN is soooo Super EXTRAORDINARY! There will NEVER be another like her! YAH BLESS them ALL and YOU! C. J.
They aren't "together" here and you can feel it. Even the energy level is low. Also, someone was commenting on the group and its "lead singers." After Jean left, Scherrie Payne shared a lot of leads with Mary but she was definitely a lead singer: in fact, when it comes to pitch, dynamism, and control, Payne had what was probably the best voice of any Supreme. A big, powerhouse voice, full throughout its range.
@davidbetsey2437
Жыл бұрын
Payne's voice was the best for the songs they recorded of that era, just like Terrell's & Ross" voices were the best for the songs they recorded in their era.🤬
@step3892
Жыл бұрын
Payne had a strong voice, but she was a belter and sounded much more commonplace than Jean or Diana, who both had that special Supremes sound. There was never an appointed "third lead." After Jean left, they became an "ensemble" group. In truthful fact Scherrie, Mary, and Susaye shared leads on songs very, very evenly. Scherrie was not a third "lead" singer of the Supremes. You can't rewrite history.
@Branner
Жыл бұрын
@@step3892 There's nothing commonplace about Payne's voice. Her range was wide: she could be bluesy and then sound very lyrical. Some of the material they gave her was commonplace, leaning more toward disco, but when she tackles My World Is Empty or Maybe This Time, she shows what a great singer she is with a voice that can go anywhere. I saw Terrell with the group live four times. I liked her and agree she was a stylist--but by the last time I found her voice somewhat garbled and she never seemed to really focus on the audience (unlike Ross who didn't have the biggest voice but knew how to sell anything).
@step3892
Жыл бұрын
@@Branner Terrell and Ross had very unique voices that ranged from a very rich, textured, sweet, sultry sound to a glossy, highly-polished, nasal-like pitch. They sounded special and unique. Scherrie's voice was indeed powerful, but as a singer she was a typical belter like a hundred others, and much more commonplace. The lead of the group "Honeycone" (remember "Want-Ads"?) was the same type of singer, -strong and solid, but not "special."
@Branner
Жыл бұрын
@@step3892 There's a whole upper register in Payne's voice (which the Honeycone singer didn't have, sorry) that was lyrical and dulcet. What Payne needed was better material at times--but when she sang "Maybe This Time" live, she demonstrated the width and depth of her range, Neither Ross nor Terrell could have done what Payne does in that last minute of "Maybe This Time." I like Terrell and Ross' voices--in fact iIloved them when I was younger--but we don't agree: I think Payne was just a better singer--and technically, she just was.
By this time, it seemed like the Supremes had become a revolving door of unknown replacements. That should never have happened. But it seems that groups have such a hard time keeping original members, no matter how successful they are. However, the Four Tops kept all of their original members for close to 40 years until each original member met his death.
@dadevi
2 жыл бұрын
They were only unknown to people who aren't true fans of music at the time. All of the new Supremes were members of other groups before joining. And they had hits all the way up until they disbanded. Motown just stopped promoting them.
@jackjules7552
2 жыл бұрын
@@dadevi Yes, that is true. Only a fan would keep up with the names of each replacement member. However, although I was a fan of the original grouping of the Supremes and continued to be a fan as members came and went in the Supremes I had a hard time having any loyalty to Linda Lawrence, Susaye and Sherrie as they were not with the group when they were having all of their consecutive #1 hits. Susaye and Sherrie were dynamite singers but the sound of the Supremes had changed considerably as sometimes it appeared that Susaye and Sherrie were trying to out sing each other rather than maintain the elegant group harmony that characterized the original grouping of Supremes.
@jackjules7552
2 жыл бұрын
@DeVante Cooley And then Sherrie Payne replaced Jean, Cindy came back to replace Lynda, and then Cindy left again to be replaced by Susaye Green and Mary left leaving only Sherrie Payne and Susaye Green. Wow!!! Motown knew better than to replace Mary. If that isn't a revolving door I don't know what is.
@bobbyoglesby643
10 ай бұрын
@@dadevi💓💓💓💓
@user-ii3vl3zy6m
7 ай бұрын
It's not fair to compare their situation to that of a male group. Men don't get pregnant and therefore don't have to stop in their tracks. This interview is from summer 72. By then Lynda Laurence had been in the group for half a year, replacing Cindy Birdsong who had left to give birth to her baby. Lynda stayed only 18 month until she got pregnant herself. After her maternity leave, Cindy returned in late 73 or so. Of course, group dynamics played a part as well, but in general girl groups are less stable, mainly because they want to become mothers eventually. It's hard to travel all over the world with a toddler. And what about the ever-changing line-up of the Temptations after 1971? I never heard anyone calling them a revolving door. Double standards? Just saying. Btw, Mary's reaction to that troublemaker was so cool. And she looked stunning.
Oh the early 1970"'s and the early New Supremes.
These teasing clips are annoying. Carry On. This must be the best KZread account Ever.
The camera angle on Lynda Lawrence did no justice as to what a stunning woman she is.
Cindy Birdsong had replaced Florence Ballard in the late 60s, surprised she had left, I had read the Supremes had remained a group without Diana Ross until around 1977.
@davidbetsey2437
Жыл бұрын
Cindy Birdsong left the 1st time to have her baby _ by the time she came back, Mary had her husband as manager of The Supremes, & he thought Cindy was too old to be in the group (she was five years older than the rest of the girls) so he fired her & replaced her w/Susaye Greene, who is five years younger than the girls. U figure! That was a major mistake on Mary's part, but she lived to regret it.
@Tes7000
10 ай бұрын
@@davidbetsey2437 I have often wondered if Mary regretted letting Cindy go in January 1976. In Supreme Faith, Mary certainly had nothing good to say about Susaye Greene. The weight Cindy had gained wasn't noticeable to the audience, and if fitting into the gowns was an issue, they had to make major alterations to all of Cindy's gowns when Susaye joined the group. I have an out-of-the-box thought that Cindy should have rejoined the group after Mary left in the summer of 1977, but that the former Supremes should have continued on under another name.
Mary Wilson is the only "original" Supreme. They are all lovely regardless.
Does anyone know what the person was yelling from the audience?
Too funny, I looked at the thumbnail and said to myself “THOSE ARENT THE SUPREMES”!!!!😂😂😂😂 DIANA ROSS isn’t there lol
What beautiful ladies
Age ain't nothing but a number
@jackjules7552
Жыл бұрын
Age is a lot more than a number. Age is watching your body and good looks decay due to deteriorating cells. Age also includes deteriorating brain cells that impact our mental facilities. Age is not being able to dance professionally any longer or participate in sports like you used to. Age is being relegated to the old people's dating site where you will have to kiss people with false teeth, sagging bodies and shrinking libidos. Age is having to get used to being overlooked and ignored by the people you desire to be with. Age is always having to deal with some physical pain or having to spend too much time getting prescriptions refilled and attending doctor' appointments. Age is having to listen to people your own age talk incessantly about their aches and pains and doctor visits. But don't give up hope because your dog still loves you!!
@Tes7000
10 ай бұрын
Speaking of age, Jean's published age must be incorrect. If she was actually born on November 26th, 1944, then Mary was in fact the oldest Supreme in the group during this interview.
Never seen this clip. What a treat. Edit: I typed that comment before the clip played. Just the ad. But this interview is icy, icy, icy. Even before Mary said..."we have fights--often"...it was icy. Jean was annoyed by that first question about her boxing brother. Mary was startled by that unplanned gag behind the stage. And then Dick kept interrupting Mary. Energy just off. I had just watched the colorized clip of original trio murk their Mike Douglas appearance. I felt so humbled and meek. I wasn't prepared for this. Lol.
Jean looks like she gets irritated with Mary. I think their friendship was dying down even though this was 1972 Jean and the new gal Lynda would leave some months later in late 1973. In Mary's second book she speaks how Jean copped an attitude with her and wouldn't speak to her for a bit so this maybe was the time that they weren't really communicating much. I've heard how Jean could be aloof at times from fans so though she possessed so much grace and talent she wasn't aligned in the show biz light the way Mary was. In the original group Mary and Diana were aligned in the spotlight but Flo was more a home girl who wasn't caught up in the light. She and Jean were similar in aspects to this.
@andrewthornhill7042
Жыл бұрын
@Vincent50 Flo may have been a homegirl and not really comfortable with the razzamatazz of show biz, but she always seemed to love the trappings of success and adored the fans, who adored her back.
@kevinjw62
22 күн бұрын
But to Jean's defense, Mary was acting a wee bit annoying in this interview LOL. Was it really necessary to bring up Jean's age?
@Vincent50
21 күн бұрын
@@kevinjw62 I think it was a joke that went south as Jean didn't go along with it and laugh about it. You know sometimes it happens to any of us and when our joking doesn't drum up laughter well then its kind of embarrassing.
You can’t see much of Lynda as she wasn’t much of talker but she was indeed the most gorgeous of the 3
What does the guy screams? I can't understand him
@mrwritestuff1
2 жыл бұрын
Something stupid, most likely. Anyone that would barge into a show on the air and start screaming stuff isn’t going to be a stable individual.
So classy.. 😢
What was that guy shouting in the start
The one in Middle is Gorgeous 😍😍
@sarnahudane4583
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's Mary Wilson. I think at this point she was 29, she even became more exotic and beautiful in her 30s and 40s; I mean just blossomed into gorgeousness. Oh, how I miss her.
@SWDetboy
Жыл бұрын
Lady SUPREME "Mary Wilson"..RIP Queen Supreme
@andrewthornhill7042
Жыл бұрын
@@sarnahudane4583 Even the last ten years showed Our Mary as an exotic, glamorous being with one foot still definitely in razzle-dazzle of the 1960s.
Can anyone tell me who were the original Supremes please help I would like to no comments
@SWDetboy
Жыл бұрын
Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard & Diana Ross were the originals. Lady Supreme Mary Wilson kept The Supremes top notch til 1977 and went solo. They gave The BEST Concerts & had several million selling hits in the 1970s.
@davidbetsey2437
Жыл бұрын
Florence Ballard Diana Ross Mary Wilson
I thought Mary was older than Jean😮
Wow Mary Wilson looks like Kelly Rowland.
@SWDetboy
Жыл бұрын
Kelly Rowlands Looks like MARY WILSON...
@Classy4514
Жыл бұрын
@@SWDetboy Yes your absolutely right 💯
@SWDetboy
Жыл бұрын
@@Classy4514 the best to you
@Loveabounds.
4 ай бұрын
Similar even in personalities too she also stood in Diana Ross shadow
There were so many good black female groups back in the 60's and the 70's. What happened with music. I'm no boomer. I did not exist back then ;)
@andrewthornhill7042
Жыл бұрын
@Not Sure A constant changing music scene brings forth new and different styles and artists, whether talented in the traditional manner.or not. There's no denying there are plenty of gifted singers and musicians around today, but those who went before are legion.
Wow are they the origins Supremes
@andrewthornhill7042
Жыл бұрын
@Charlie Brown No, only Mary Wilson in the centre is an original Supreme. The other original members were Diana Ross (who left in early 1970), Florence Ballard (who was replaced by Cindy Birdsong in mid-1967) and, until 1962, Barbara Martin.
Diana Who?
Now Mary know she didn’t have to do that silly ass ponytail!
That’s easy, Burrito Supreme!!!
For a second there, I thought that said "The Supreme Court talks about dresses & who is the oldest supreme". This is not your father's SCOTUS.
Uhhh…where’s Diana? This the B-team
@SWDetboy
Жыл бұрын
Mary & her 70s Supremes always stayed on the A team.. They had Great million sellling hits in the 70s & gave the Best concerts til 1977 when Ms Wilson went solo..
Diana left?
@ianbauer4703
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Ross left a couple of years earlier over infighting and record company issues, as I recall.
@jl3322
2 жыл бұрын
@@ianbauer4703 Ross felt she was the sole talent of the Supremes once she orchestrated the exit of Florence Ballard (founder and 1st lead vocalist of the Supremes) and went on to a solo career but fans of the original Supremes are inclined to see Ross as an egotistical bitch who slept her way to the top.
@jackjules7552
2 жыл бұрын
yes, Diana Birdsong left.
@SWDetboy
Жыл бұрын
Lady Supreme Mary Wilson kept The Supremes top notch in the 1970s & had several million selling hits & gave the BEST concerts.
Leopards or may be more Cheetas.
@davidbetsey2437
Жыл бұрын
Your mamas
It amazes me that all 3 black women in this videos have collar bones fast forward to 2022 women are triple the size of the women in this videos and have no collar bones.
@najadiorr2501
Жыл бұрын
Oh my you're a fool if you think people weren't fat back then😂
What the H** kind of hairstyle is Mary wearing?!?!?
Now we get Cardi B and Megan the Stallion 🤦🏾
@jackjules7552
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't Cardi B an original Supreme?
Young black women today, take notes.
@bleepiestofbloops
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely not your place to say that.
@fifthbusiness1678
2 жыл бұрын
WTF? Middle-aged white woman: best keep such ignorant thoughts to yourself.
They know whitey won't know they aren't the real Supremes. lol
@andrewthornhill7042
Жыл бұрын
@Tyrone Joihnson Don't sell the white audience short. We followed these girls as closely as did the brothers.
The cheap version of the Supremes