Diana Ross and Florence Ballard probably drove Mary Wilson crazy being that they were both extreme and she felt a loyalty to them both since their preteens...

@vegetaprince5112

4 жыл бұрын

It was like she's the middle. It breaks my heart for them all. Especially Mary, I know she feels this the most.

@Dion_Mustard

4 жыл бұрын

@@vegetaprince5112 Mary has way more feeling than Diana. You can just tell. Mary is REAL. She has kept the legacy alive for Flo's memory. Diana barely mentions the group that made her a star. And she isn't especially friendly with Mary. Very sad considering they all started out in the same boat.

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

@Alain Quartermaine well that's stupid opinion. but you're wrong. to have the Supremes legacy behind you - the most successful group Motown produced - is a HUGE legacy. People listen to their music every day. It still plays on radios. They are still inspirations for girl groups of today HENCE Mary is still VERY relevant. Diana is not. She is false, cruel, two faced and a cow.

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

@Elegant Oprah I do not care about selfish false people like Diana who is all me me me me me me...Mary is more grounded and has had an amazing career..more than can be said for you..now go away you're boring.

@jaajaarogers9101

3 жыл бұрын

Very true Mary very beautiful attractive one

R.I.P. Florence Ballard. 😢

Anyone with a brain knows Diana Ross was the real pain in the backside in those early days. She wanted full control and full attention hence why she slowly worked her way up to being the star. If Berry had not been interested in her things would have turned out VERY different. The only other person interested in Diana was Smokey Robinson because they were friends. I feel sorry for Mary and Flo. So sad that their legacy is tainted by Diana ruling the roost. There is no denying Diana is talented, beautiful looking and a great singer, but had she not had the backing by Berry Gordy she would've disappeared into the background. This is all in the past now so there's no point blaming anyone. The Supremes made great songs regardless and nothing Diana does can change that. Mary and Flo are VERY relevant even today.

@teemadarif8243

3 жыл бұрын

But we gotta admit nothing came free , boss lady put in extra work for that stardom

@SunsetBoulevardez

2 жыл бұрын

Honey Diana Ross wasn’t like that. I’ve heard story of how Diana would go to the studio just to pave her way to becoming an artist on Motown’s Label. Really it was Diana who actually gotten them signed to Motown because she knew Smoky Robinson. But anyways, Diana recalled saying that the girls treated her with indifference and she didn’t even know about the change.

@shihlin1

Жыл бұрын

The difference was Gordy. Diana knew from very early on and worked on Berry Gordy to get what she wanted. It's still shocking today very little repercussions from Diana and Gordy's Motown love affair. Diana pretty much got away with every dirty trick she pulled at Motown.

OF COURSE JUST EVERYTHING BEING TAKING FROM HER, HER VIRGINITY TO HER MUSIC CAREER....DAMN I WISH THINGS WAS BETTER FOR HER

@exysness

2 ай бұрын

OKAY

She was a Diva because Berry Gordy was working the piss out of her. Flo and Mary BOTH confirmed that he worked her the hardest. Flo even spoke of having to visit her in the hospital after she fell out and had a breakdown during a show. Despite all of the fantasies about her sleeping with him and "magically" becoming a star, most Motown insiders concede that she WORKED HARD. Even the ones who can't stand her said that she showed up early, stayed late, and took her job seriously. Berry put a LOT of responsibility on her. I can imagine him telling her over and over again that she was responsible for the group success or failure. Imagine carrying all of THAT on your shoulders in your early 20's. No wonder she acted like a bitch sometimes.

@richardrichard9631

3 жыл бұрын

At last someone who has read all the stuff written and puts it together. All three ladies have a story to tell and only by reading them do you get the true picture. Diana Mary and Florence paid for their fame. I wish her life ended better for Florence. Mary seemed in a good place before she passed. Maybe others will look into all this and maybe see like you have that Diana was not a bad person just sometimes made decisions like we all have that we can not see where they will finally lead. Also she is rarely acknowledged for the good decisions she made. I believe the best was to leave the Supremes. It allowed her to grow and develope. It allowed the group to grow and their sound to develop. I truly love Stoned love and up the ladder to the roof. I don't think that sound could be made with Diana still there. Also Diana could not have made Aint no mountain high enough as a Supreme.

@MrMystri

3 жыл бұрын

She weren't that traumatised by hard work cos she still slept with him and had a child Mary Wilson said when they first auditioned at Motown Diana quoted "I'm gonna get him" Referring to Berry Gordy! So it would seem even at that young age she knew what she wanted and was planning on how she was gonna get it! By laying down with the boss!

@richardrichard9631

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrMystri well let's think. Diana said it about Berry and Mary said it about Tom Jones. The only difference is when Tom Jones wife found out she threatened to hurt Mary and she ran away. So neither women have a good track record.

@MrMystri

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardrichard9631 Yes you're right Saw a documentary on that other day 😝😝😝 Seems like they were all at it Lollllll

@ceeceetracey9839

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMystri RIGHT. And she was scheming on a grown man as a teenager. That always bugs me out.

🤔 I think “Diane” had insecurities from childhood that made her so determined to be seen (or a ⭐️ ). She once talked about how her father had a picture of her and her siblings and labeled her elder sis, Barbara, *”the beautiful one.”* I also think Barb got more attention because she achieved more academically and eventually became a doctor 🥼, causing her dad to act as if Diane’s singing aspirations were subpar. 👎🏾 I think Diana’s dad unknowingly caused her to feel less loved/important, which made her fiercely aggressive when trying to prove that she was just as valuable as her older sister, even if that feeling mainly came from Berry, the industry, and a crowd of people she never knew. 😕🤷🏽‍♀️

@erichill612

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Diana Ross was a very insecure person, that's why she behaved the way she did. I wish Florence was still alive to tell her story.

@thegospel391

3 жыл бұрын

Most celebrities come with demons because of rejection and abandonment from childhood, wantin attention from lots of people still won't fill that void, ask all the dead artists

@inah4923

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense , her sister is very clever and accomplished

@teemadarif8243

3 жыл бұрын

I can totally see it

@Pkg597

2 жыл бұрын

Also the fact that she was a black girl in the 60s……what y’all think playing mr nice guy is gonna get u somewhere

All is fair in love and war... Ross knew that and was willing to pay that price for stardom ... she’s now in her 70s, I hope it was worth it

@mattrussillo4587

3 жыл бұрын

That's not terribly impressive considering she didn't sacrifice anything. She basically threw the other two away And didn't see through getting a realistic inheritance to the children of her professional partner and 1/3 of the tro when she died.. Arrogance and unnecessary self-preservation are nothing to be applauded, particularly at that cost. When she gave herself to Barry he reduced her and Mary Wells to nothing more than background whereas in the beginning, they were an equal trio. That's just ruthless and sleazy and theres no other word for it.

@richardrichard9631

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattrussillo4587 how do you know what Diana Ross sacrificed. It is well known that Diana had nervous breakdowns when she was a Supreme. Read Mary's book. She documents Diana having to be carried off stage in tears as she and Florence looked at each other. There is always a price to pay for success. Unfortunately every one wants to paint Ross as the bitch in this story because every good story needs one. I think she was wiser than some others. Also Florence left the Supremes with more money than any of the others (including Ross) so ask the question, how did she spend or invest that money.

@URSF75

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattrussillo4587 I think you mean Mary Wilson.

@punkanellylovejoy702

Жыл бұрын

@@URSF75 No, he was referring to Diane Ernestine with zero doubt.

@shihlin1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and Ross outlived both Flo and Mary too with both now passed. That's the way the ball bounces, the winner takes it all

She "Diane" had more Berry Gordy DNA inside her than he has himself.

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

You are obsessed with Diana and Berrys relationship and project you own low class nasty thoughts on them Damn

@fatimahaidara5064

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfaooooo

@blessingunique6872

3 жыл бұрын

U must be a hoe that stay on ur knees and legs open whore

@punkanellylovejoy702

3 жыл бұрын

I have read your comment many times. But when I go back and read some of these threads, I still burst out laughing at your comment. What a cheeky little sassy brat you are 😂

@SassyBratt1

3 жыл бұрын

@@punkanellylovejoy702 ;-) you're welcome. BURP! ;-)

God bless Florence

Barry was letting her have her way. If she had a problem with anybody she would go tell Barry. If something was wrong in the sound booth she got tell Barry. Poor Florence, I felt so sorry for her. Diana would tell her she was fat. She was never a diva to me. Diana was and still is a spoiled brat because of Barry.

@ceeceetracey9839

Жыл бұрын

FLorence was sexy as hell and diana couldnt stand it. The men loved her.

@AlkalineInsides

3 ай бұрын

And being called skinny doesn’t offend a smaller person?

If it wasn't for Florence, Diana and Mary wouldn't have been a Supreme.

Diana Ross had so much stress as the lead. The success and failure of the group was literally on her shoulders.

@d-staxworldwidestax7112

2 жыл бұрын

She let her ego get the best of her.

Florence loved Diana. Flo was outspoken but not hateful.

@MauriceRivers415

5 жыл бұрын

See, you get it. She might've been initially upset that Diana was getting all the limelight, but she enjoyed the fruits of the group success. After all, she chose the group name. And when Flo died, Diana promised Flo's twin girls $10K apiece, which was a fortune in the 70's. Whether they actually got it when they turned 18, who knows.

@TheInsaneBEAST1

5 жыл бұрын

Flo resented Berry, not Diana. As of 1975, Florence described her fallout with Diana as "two sisters having friction". When Flo sued Motown, she made it a point to name Berry Gordy as the main party her attorney must go after. Berry's decision to make Diana lead is what created the friction. She went on record to say Berry was someone who wanted to control you otherwise he'd want nothing to do with you. At first he set his sights on Flo until she consciously or unconsciously rejected him. That's when he turned on her, from taking her lead "People" away from her to making remarks about her weight. All of that was done to spite her, Mary would tell Flo to turn the other cheek until Diana left in 1970 but as you said, Flo was too prideful and outspoken to simply brush off ANY mistreatment. The rest was history after that.

@reealitychick

5 жыл бұрын

@@MauriceRivers415 NO THE MONEY WAS GONE--- HER CHILDREN HAVE TESTIFIED TO THAT?? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY??? DID THEIR DAD SPEND IT?

@davidcleaver2473

5 жыл бұрын

Tank4u Mary and Florence could have been what Gayle is to Oprah

@rgs6236

5 жыл бұрын

That's your version. Ross has a history of being a bitch and nothing not even a coverup can change or cape that

If possible could someone please post the entire showing of this. Would love to see it!! Thank you!

No one can deny Diana Ross was the voice of the supremes that’s for sure! But Florence and Mary had a voice too and it seemed they were very limited to get there voices heard also! They too had beautiful singing abilities to share Barry Gordy however didn’t let it happen as much as it should have and that was not fair at all! I’m so glad to this day that the Temptations stood there ground that no one is bigger than the group I commend them For that Barry made Diana the chosen supreme! They were romantically linked and that makes a big big difference! Mary chose to put up and shut up we’re Flo wasn’t about to take any crap at all! I still say to this day any royalties from any earlier supreme album sales or anything involving Florence being in anything with the supremes there daughters at least deserve to be paid for cause there mother sure wasn’t compensated for it!

@barbarawebb7185

5 жыл бұрын

rich santia THEIR daughters

@marlobarfield4425

4 жыл бұрын

Up dea

@sufundasamuels431

4 жыл бұрын

rich santia Diana really wasn't so talented. Mary and Florence could sing just as good or better than she could. Diana was the petite one with the big bedroom eyes and Berry was in her crosshair and she dove all the way in with a married man and basically became a diva-bitch. Florence struggled tremendously after Motown released her and just couldn't get her footing. Florence's daughters shouldn't be struggling, but they are and it's a damn shame! Diana will forever live comfortably due to sleeping her way to the top. She obviously didn't care about Berry's wife to do the things she did and Berry definitely caused a lot of other singers hell too that's why Mr. Eddie Kendricks left the Temptations....people need to get real and call the shit for what it was. Hell, her oldest daughter Rhonda is by Berry Gordy.

@rosaworksrosaworks9410

4 жыл бұрын

@Ronald McFondle Stop blaming mary, berry could have given them there mother's royalty payments. It's not like berry couldn't afford it.

@monicahorton9725

3 жыл бұрын

Diana Ross wasn't the prettiest or the talented ...her eyes was bucked scary.

The most important lesson Mary and Flo didn't understand was the power balance had long shifted to Diana and Berry Gordy got Diana's back. With that power dynamic, it was a no-win situation for the two girls. Mary at least understood what was going on. But in Flo's mind they were still the same three girls from the Detroit projects from 10 years ago. Diana Ross (or "Diane" as she was often referred to by Mary) had long left that little girl from the projects behind. She was now THE DIVA who asked and GOT what she requested. Tragic situation for Mary and Flo, who are now both gone. Diana remains healthy and living her ultra glamorous life

If it wasn't for Flo they wouldn't be no Supremes

@petebrowne9918

3 жыл бұрын

You don't know any of that to be true! You don't know what series of events would have taken place and that doesn't mean that there would have never been a Diana Ross. It was Diana Ross that got them to be seen by Berry Gordy, not Flo. As ambitious as Diana Ross was, she would have gotten herself seen by Berry Gordy through another group or just by herself and Berry always like Diana's voice. She just did it through that group, because she happened to be in that group at the time.

I want a mother who stood up for herself and not to let no punk mogul tell.her what to do. That's why I'm keeping my heart for Florence e. She's an aunt with a serious mother wit. I had saw her daughter Denise Tracee walking with a friend at a mall in Goldsboro NC in1993. Flo is very tough and wiseful.

What I can fault Diana Ross and even Mary Wilson for is not talking. Florence Ballard, right or wrong, never hid her feelings. She said exactly how she felt, called everything as she saw it. Diana and Mary did the exact opposite. They didn't talk to each other, really, and Mary would privately agree with some of what Flo was saying but never stand with her when they were with others like Berry Gordy. They stood by and watched Flo just disintegrate when just talking straight up with each other, listening, trying to see where the other girl is coming from, trying to compromise, would have gone a long way and made a difference in all their relationships. Diana clearly knew Flo was unhappy and because Flo was very direct about the cause of her unhappiness, Diana also knew that what she was doing was a part of that. It seemed to matter very little to her. And Mary's feelings seemed unimportant to her as well, as she never talked with her about how she felt about all the changes, and she certainly never consulted Mary or Flo before she made decisions (changing her name to "Diana", for example). They are the ultimate cautionary tale about friendships, honesty, listening, and being empathetic.

@ladymusic7425

5 жыл бұрын

The truth is all three girls were too young to really comprehend the dynamics within the group. Meanwhile their record company saw the extraordinary potential of Ross and didn´t know what to do with Wilson and Ballard who were very talented in different ways. For a new black corporation as Motown it was impossible to develop all three Supremes so they concentrated on Ross and it payed off. It´s all history now.

@ceeceetracey9839

Жыл бұрын

You are right and this is one of the reasons I'm not trying to hear anyone saying diana ross was a hardworker, or aggressive, or talented or any of that. All I see is a cold callous selfish woman who wanted it all and didnt care who she had to walk all over to get it. I'm sorry. I just dont see much else.

@lamoneal

Жыл бұрын

@@ladymusic7425 The most insightful and intelligent analysis of the Supremes I've read so far on this page.

I've always thought of Diana Ross in this light, but during my lifetime, we didn't have access to sights such as KZread, Twitter, etc., we only knew what was printed in the magazines.

I guess all the people talking negative things about Diana Ross here and everywhere else would reject a good job offer in order to please their friends. Berry Gordy was a businessman first and above all. He knew where the money was and who had the most marketable voice. 12 number one singles with the Supremes and 6 more as a solo artist plus an Oscar nomination and a gazillion of other achievements are proof of that. He believed in her more that she even believed in herself. Business is all about money so, their relationship was second to that. There are trains that only come once in a lifetime. If Diana Ross was a guy, we would be thinking of her as a powerful, important man instead of a bitch. Take that offer, you are not offending anyone. If you don't take it, another person will take it for you. They are not going to feel sorry for you, right? Life is hard so, if someone believes in you, don't deny that opportunity.

@ej13012010

3 жыл бұрын

Flo made the group flo made the name it was flos voice that got them in berry was sleeping with Diana which pushed her to the front it was a snake and it was Diana that wanted what flo brought who one day be friends with someone then next be the devil talk about you knowing what u been through call her fat and a drunk then try to fire her knowing she was raped and it affected her snakes man snakes and then leave her financially broke

@punkanellylovejoy702

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no no sweetie, did you forget what happened at Motown 25? Ross PUSHED Mary. And why? Because she wanted them to stay in the back. Which proves that it wasn't berry's doing, it was Ross's doing. That's how she wanted it.. Why wasn't she thrilled to have them singing side by side again? I'll tell you why : because it was all her doing from the very start. A woman with all the star quality that Ross is alleged to possess would never have to hide her bandmates in the background to make herself standout. The fans liked them equally and it killed her that she couldn't have it all to herself. So she started pushing them into the background so that she COULD have it all to herself. And that was the scheme she pulled to stand out. And at the risk of coming off as slightly vulgar, i reckon she'll most certainly stand out once her first-class one-way non-stop flight touches down in that tropical resort kingdom called West Hell, where miss Ross is sure to be heard screeching for forgiveness, along with some high pitched shrieks for dry ice and rock salt to help her to fight off that more permanent type of climate change in her new environment. But those demands will be flatly denied. As she won't be able to have her way there. And if she ever makes the mistake of crawling off into Satan's bed to bang up some preferential treatment, she'll never make that mistake again. His fiery hot lava will do more than fertilize her eggs, it will fry them sunny side up, affording her no love child to be used as barter to get air-conditioning or more cozy and accommodating quarters in the bowels of West Hell. That kind of strategy may have worked for her on planet earth but Satan will have a completely different set of rules for the Doomed Diva to abide by. And in a side note, I strongly suggest she consult her stylist and see if he can find any weaves made of asbestos or any sort of heat retardant material to sew into her tracks. Cuz rumor has it that all human and synthetic hair tend to caramelize much faster upon the heads of it's wearers down there in the pits of West Hell in such a violent and relentless climate. But as I said, she'll certainly get to stand out there, she'll be the hottest thing around, as I have a sneaking suspicion that ol' crafty Satan has got a special fire set at a special temperature just for the likes of the Dirty Diva of Devilish Deeds. Yes our dear and precious Miss Ross thought that she was so slick and conniving for so long. She may have pulled the wool over berry Gordy's eyes, but she'll never out slick her new boss, Satan. Satan invented slickery and devilry. She can't play her little come on games with him. In fact, if my Bible study lessons serve me correctly, it states: "think not that you are craftier than Satan upon your arrival into his dark kingdom. Any attempt to seduce Satan, will bring about great howling and gnashing of teeth upon insertion". Especially if she resorts to her earthly stunt of spread-eagling for material gain.. A heartless creature of Satan's demeanor will have not one iota of guilt or sympathy for her. She won't be able to use it to manipulate her way into cooler accommodations in hell and that's for sure. She made a deal with the devil in those long but not forgotten days of Motown and now the time has come to honor the contract. There's no reneging on this agreement. The stipulations were that Satan would give her the music world on a silver platter in exchange for her integrity, self respect and the loyalty that she should have kept for her friends.

@ceeceetracey9839

Жыл бұрын

@@punkanellylovejoy702 b erry gordy and diana ross are equally guilty, and quiet as church mice

@punkanellylovejoy702

Жыл бұрын

@@ceeceetracey9839 church RATS

@ceeceetracey9839

Жыл бұрын

@@punkanellylovejoy702 that too!!

Trust me, if Diana didn't work so hard after she departed Motown, her club bookings would look like Mary Wilson. When you hit 74 years young, and can still pull in 17,000 people (The Hollywood Bowl), and be asked back to the Wynn (Vegas) by the owner for the 3rd time. What word am I looking for? hmmmm..oh..STAR!!!!

@sweetpea5907

6 жыл бұрын

trust me--Mary is doing QUITE well--and just as many bookings as Diana has--so does Mary --plus she is a star in her own damn right. I didn't see HER in the documentary--nor do I see her fighting to get artists their royalties from the 1960's until 1972---did see Smokey Robinson , Dionne Warwick--other artists--oh and MARY Wilson on Capitol Hill fighting for artists rights---but yep--she is a STAR--gotta give her that one--oh and let me add this here--I wonder did Diana make a contribution to Supreme Faith--for Cindy Birdsong's medical expenses..Nope I am not bashing her--just stating some facts...

@motownmondays1892

6 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding me? Mary Wilson sometimes does 2-3 times more shows/bookings than Diana Ross in a year.

@motownmondays1892

6 жыл бұрын

Mary Wilson is the BOMB! I would go see her any chance I get!

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

That is not true. Diana Ross cannot draw large crowds . At the Essence Festival a year or so ago, her show had the lowest attendance of all artists that participated. If she sold a lot of tickets at the Hollywood Bowl, then there must have been a high number of gay people in the vicinity. She's in an oldies act.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@design17 Please excuse the Ross-haters. They need to delude themselves into the false narrative that anything that Wilson's done is on the same level as what Diana Ross is doing. Their bookings and record sales state otherwise.

Well there you have it 😁 Ross was a pis of work. ( treacherous, scheming, a spy, demanding, fake ass, sleeping with the boss and lying! ) There is a catalog of other choice words I could use. It is well documented how she was. Other artists have said she was at times a conniving @?%$. I put this all down to Rosses insecurity and immature. Ross her self said she was a bitch back then. There will be Queens out there who were not even born when this group started out and will defend Rosses behaviour insisting she made the group. ( a joke! ) It is good to be ambitious but to play with other people lives achieving that goal. NO! RIP Flo 🙏

@olie171

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I couldn't have said it better. Her fans (especially the gay ones) are the worst. They would justify her behavior and it sickens me. I wonder what her feminist daughter Tracee Ellis Ross thinks about her mother's past behavior towards other women? P. S. I am gay myself just in case people think I am a homophobe for calling out Diana's toxic gay fans.

@markk2101

4 жыл бұрын

Ronald McFondle I love your comment

@markk2101

4 жыл бұрын

Ronald McFondle Yep I agree Ross there’s most likely so much that happened behind the scenes and in her personal life that she hasn’t brought out.

Book excerpt: HARVEY FUQUA Formerly of the group The Moonglows, Harvey Fuqua brought Marvin Gaye to Motown and became one of the most important figures in the success of the company as a producer. After leaving Motown, he had a strong hand in guiding the career of Sylvester, and returned to work with Gaye on his comeback album, Midnight Love. An active philanthropist, Fuqua passed in 2010. HARVEY FUQUA :"There was definitely tension about how much work was being heaped on Diana, but the fact is that she always rose to the occasion. There just wasn’t any limit to what she could do. The other fact is that Mary and Flo-and I loved them-but the fact is that they were not workers. They would be at rehearsals late or unprepared. Here’s what I mean. We could give Diana three songs to learn, and we could give Mary and Flo one to learn. The next day, Diana’d have them down, but Mary and Flo would not have mastered the one song. Diana was the ideal working partner. She had the talent to do absolutely anything. "

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@DivaNdreaDz Thank you for your contribution to this page. Mr. Fuqua's statement echos many others of successful Motown legends, as well as outside producers, directors, choreographers, etc. Here's a quote from Cholly Atkins, legendary Motown choreographer(as featured in the Ross biography, "Diana Ross:THE American Dreamgirl", by Tom Adrahtas), regarding the preparations for The Supremes' first Copa engagement: "There was a lot of dancing, and a lot of complaining, mostly from Florence, who felt that the choreography was unnatural. There was a hat trick at the end of one of the production numbers, "Rockaby Your Baby with A Dixie Melody", that Diana had a helluva time with. She went out and bought a practice hat and, every time I turned around, she was in the corner somewhere, practicing this hat trick to the point that she learned it so well, she could do it in her sleep."

@DivaNdreaDz

6 жыл бұрын

TheReturnofStephan1 Thank you too. Everything you write I can verify with my own research.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@DivaNdreaDz And that makes ALL the difference. Until next time, be well.:)

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

He said that because he fucked her.

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

How do you know? Mary Wilson is still a headliner today and plays pretty the same or similar venues that Diana Ross plays. You Diana Ross fans make me laugh because you want everyone to think that she was more special and worked harder than Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson which I and others know isn't true. She was just the lead singer, singing lyrics that were written for the groups songs and taught to her. Mary and Florence had to learn all the background vocal parts as well as the individual choreography devised for each song. That takes a lot of work as well. Diane was the bosses girlfriend so we know she did not have to work harder than the others. It took the complete focus and resources of Motown Records to make her a star. I did not say it.....Berry Gordy did! He went further to day that he did it out of love because he never even broke even on Diana Ross' recordings. The fact that she was allowed to make so many recordings does not in anyway mean that she was more talented than Mary and Flo or any of the women at Motown.

And.. these type's of arguments (comments) is how the Surpremes broke up....one thinking the other is better and more deserving than the other. But I would have loved to have seen them together. Money, Power and fan base has alot to do with who feels they deserve the biggest Star. Diana just happened to want fame more than the other girls and was willing to do whatever it takes to have it. It was fun to the other girls and a great way to make a living doing what you love to do.. singing with your friends. They couldn't understand why Diana was so driven and hungry. Didn't make her a bad person.. just a person that had her own agenda and they were not included. As the saying goes nothing personal... just buisness... happens with alot of groups. I'm sure they all look back with some regrets and sadness regarding their choses in regards to the Supremes. They were truly a Supreme Act!!!👩🏽‍🎤👩🏽‍🎤👩🏽‍🎤

@reealitychick

5 жыл бұрын

DEBRA HILL YOU are so full of bull shit---- say that to Sinatra--- Martin -- Sammy///

@missfit8650

5 жыл бұрын

I would have to agree with you. If you listen to the stories it was DIANA who was making the first moves to get the Supremes in the door at Motown. She knew smokey and convinced him to get the group an audition. Berry rejected them but she kept going to Motown on the weekends, worked there during the summer and was in his face everyday until he signed them. She was the only one who took the finishing school seriously. Never took vacations and was always ready. She was determined to be successful.

Wow I scrolled down and some one said that Diana had a baby by Smokey Robinson when she was 14 and that baby was Michael Jackson--on what planet did this take place? Smokey had children by his WIFE --their first son was born in 1968. Diana NEVER had no child by no Smokey Robinson--and truly not Michael Jackson--any body can see he looks like his parents--especially Joe. Diana's FIRST child was Rhonda and trust me Diana was well over 14 when she had her. Folks need to stop making up stuff like this. If you truly love Diana like you say--you would not even allow that messy rumor to go any further--now that is a shame right there

@markk2101

5 жыл бұрын

I saw something like that when I was watching Diana Ross True Hollywood Story

What seems pretty clear to me is that you cannot understand the story of The Supremes without Florence's death.

The dressing room scene is a bit too much!!

@MiamiPush2theLimit

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

For Diane to request her own dressing room and Flo and Mary had to share there's, that says it all. It tells you what kind of person Diane really was. It is pretty transparent after hearing that everybody should know Diane was the major cause of the Supremes demise.

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

DianA outgrew the Supremes plus she was the star Diana Ross and the Supremes...so she gets her own dressing room.

@punkanellylovejoy702

4 жыл бұрын

@@mic6434 she was not a legitimate star. She had someone that she was sleeping with who put her in the lead. She was no star. She was an imposter

@LisaLisaCJ

3 жыл бұрын

she said in an interview it was because of how they were treating her and it stressed her out, so Berry separated them. She said on Oprah how they wouldnt speak to her

@MiamiPush2theLimit

3 жыл бұрын

@@LisaLisaCJ She treated them like shit.

@brodocbetty4856

2 жыл бұрын

Whenever you have an ego out of control in a team or group then you're going to have a problem.

Please show this show again!

Hi edagdwg thanks for sharing this history of a special group love this story of what happens when you have a chance to talk to her about anything now you know how she was feeling Diane was doing what she wants because of Barry let her sad Linda j.☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️

I'm still wondering in the wake of Mary's death, why Diane/ Diana has not said more beyond that quick message she posted the day of Mary's death. It seemed, to me, incomplete and not fully heartfelt. She was also visibly absent when Michael Jackson died. Just wondering..

@schoolgyrl6

3 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯

@MiamiPush2theLimit

3 жыл бұрын

Diana is a narcissist. She only cares about herself. She was absent from Michael’s funeral. She was absent went The Supremes were inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and when they got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. She has issues.

I can't begin to imagine the stress Florence and Mary was under due to Diana having her way all the time...especially Florence. Hell, Diana was screwing Berry, a married man to get what she wanted and she did, but the group suffered and far as I'm concerned, the mistreatment and heartbreak led to Florence's demise. I believe Diana was a real bitch towards Florence and Mary and they just went along to get along until Florence couldn't take the bullshit anymore and Berry didn't like her mouthing back and eventually Motown, Berry Gordy crushed Florence indefinitely.

@FabledRomance

4 жыл бұрын

According to Mary Wilson (group member)..the Supremes benefitted greatly from Di’s soecial attention from Gordy. Sorry that hurts your negative narrative doesn’t it?

@sufundasamuels431

4 жыл бұрын

@@FabledRomance okay, so what? That still doesn't take away the fact that Diana benefitted even more by sleeping with the boss and no, your comment is not hurting my narrative which is the truth....it is what it is and Diana was a total bitch towards those ladies. That's just my honest opinion whether you like it or not. Thank you.

@punkanellylovejoy702

4 жыл бұрын

@@FabledRomance they benefited until she wanted everything for herself. Sorry to blast your little half truth to smithereens.

@DESSEII

3 жыл бұрын

@@FabledRomance I mean you just proved what diana was doing so...... The reason the benefited greatly is because they would go to diana who would go to Berry. If they(Flo and Mary) went to Berry directly I highly doubt they would've got what they wanted. So you basically contradicted yourself, and prove the very person you tried to prove wrong right... 🤷🏾‍♀️

@MiamiPush2theLimit

3 жыл бұрын

Berry neglected all Motown artists because he was obsessed with Diana. Even the Jackson 5!!

Does anyone know where The Whole Documentary Can Be Found ? I enjoyed This Preview 💯

@DetroitLives313

4 жыл бұрын

It use to be on KZread, but Diana Ross' fans had it taken down.

@ccjammy5270

3 жыл бұрын

Tubi tv, it's free😊

@DESSEII

3 жыл бұрын

@@DetroitLives313 of course they did with their delusional arses

@punkanellylovejoy702

3 жыл бұрын

@@DESSEII 😂 delusional aint the word for some of them

The separation was that was her plan to go solo.

@petebrowne9918

3 жыл бұрын

Diana Ross didn't run the group on her own, not that early in her career. What you fail to see is that Flo was jealous, right or wrong, and Mary followed. Barry did that to establish control of the group, but more so of Diana Ross so that she would follow his vision. Remember, they were friends so keeping them together could influence Diana Ross and that would have adverse impact on Berry's vision. He didn't have to separate the girls so that Diana Ross could go solo; he could have done that earlier.

Flo has the voice , plus the looks with Mary. ,..

@ceeceetracey9839

Жыл бұрын

and diana knew this. this is why she WORKED SO HARD

After over 50 years people still attempt to diminish Miss Ross as the Supreme Supreme. Show business is just that a business and people are going to make money off the artist or artists that they can. It is somewhat ridiculous at this point since Miss Ross was, is and will forever be the one and only Miss Diana Ross.

@motownmondays1892

6 жыл бұрын

But see it wasn't 50 years for all those that were around when she was fucking the boss. It's been said that Diana Ross laid down to get on top! Facts!

@lorenzolopez5400

6 жыл бұрын

You were not there and I was not there so who cares, she is the Superstar, the Megastar and the rest is history, so what is your point?

@krisbunting4057

6 жыл бұрын

the point is Florence died on welfare. how do you come up and leave the people you came up with to die in poverty.... wasn't there enough fame/ money for all 3 ladies? Flo had an amazing voice that we never got to hear because she was pushed into the background.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@kurt bunting All three women were paid equally. The lead singer is always the focus of any group. Flo died on welfare because she refused to work and mismanaged her money. That's her fault. Flo's solo voice was heard at each of their concerts and on many of their albums. If her voice was so amazing, her "fans" would have bought her albums in droves. They didn't.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@Lorenzo Lopez Ross-haters' "point" is that they identify with other people who fail and, as in their miserable real "lives", blame the successful for their misery. They target Diana Ross, specifically, because she's everything that they will never be: successful, beautiful, sensual, talented, sexy and smart.

Diana Ross was not running the Motown label. It seems as if she gets blamed for everything that happened at Motown with the Supremes and other artist. Diana Ross was seen as a unique voice and talented beyond words. Berry Gordy saw these qualities and made Diana the lead of the group. It seems like some people are envious of her star power and thats simply wrong. Give Diana credit for her talent and vocal abilities. Without Diana Ross, the Supremes would have not been the biggest girl group of all time.

@YouBigDummy

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Robinson if it were not for Florence there wouldn't be a Diana Ross. See how that works.

@motownmondays1892

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah but Diana Ross had Mr. Gordy's penis up her sleeve. She held a great advantage over others because of it!

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

That is exactly right Yandrsuperme!

@AnAmericanScheme

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel come see my new Diana Video lol.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@Damien Lu Were it not for Diana Ross, you'd never have heard of Florence Ballard.

Where can I see this documentary in its entirety?

Diana has her sun sign in Aries ....

@Nicky-de4ez

5 жыл бұрын

@Clockwork You don't have to tell me what that means cause i know ...

@punkanellylovejoy702

4 жыл бұрын

And her Moon in Gordy's face

@MiamiPush2theLimit

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Which means aggressive and selfish.

This video contains a lot of BS for just 3 minutes, so, here are a few truths that are sure to delight the honest and enrage the bitter/deceitful: *Without Diana Ross' "attitude", The Supremes would never have existed, as it was her moxie and talent that made them stars. *People ask me all the time 'how did you get along with her attitude?' Diana had no attitude. She's just a girl who spoke her mind. I have a lot of respect for Diana Ross..." -Gladys Horton, lead singer of The Marvelettes *Of course, no one in the show is willing to hold Florence Ballard accountable for her contribution to her misery. *Mary Wilson "bit her tongue" until that person's back was turned, according to Florence Ballard. *Diana Ross HAD to get her own dressing room, as the other two were treating her spitefully. *Milton Jenkins(manager of The Primes), not Florence Ballard, founded The Primettes. *Florence Ballard was NEVER the group's leader. Initially, the group shared leads, until Mr. Gordy took the necessary step of making Diana Ross the group's permanent lead singer. *Ross and Gordy didn't hook up until June, 1965, one full year following his divorce from his second wife and after the group had five number one hits, according to both his and Wilson's autobiographies.

@krisbunting4057

6 жыл бұрын

you mean until Diana started sleeping with the boss and became the lead singer.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

LOL Diana Ross became the group's lead singer in 1963. She and Mr. Gordy didn't become intimate until June, 1965, according to both his and Mary Wilson's autobiographies.

@krisbunting4057

6 жыл бұрын

is that when she was sleeping with the other Married Man Smokey Robinson who was producing the group at the time?

@motownmondays1892

6 жыл бұрын

No, no everyone knows it was Diana Ross fucking the boss that got her to where she is. Calm down, no need to create fake news over this. It's just a fact that she had to screw the boss to stand out from all of the other talented ladies at Motown.

@krisbunting4057

6 жыл бұрын

here is your "fake" news from the horses mouth himself kzread.info/dash/bejne/ga5-qMmgose9oJs.html

DR got special treatment, grooming and more than the other 2 in the beginning. She was hungry and ready to do anything as she has honestly stated. BG saw that and played her - heck they played each other. She delivered, basically slept her way to the top of the label to BG and then worked her skirt. She whored and scored and had a Love Child to boot. Now after all of that body and soul selling she got her title- at a cost :>)

@TheReturnOfStephan1

5 жыл бұрын

@Harlem Swing Dance HOT JAzz Diana Ross took herself to extra modeling and cosmetology classes, long before she ever went to Motown. Nothing stopped the other two from doing the same. They were LAZY. Berry Gordy didn't "play" Diana Ross. He supported her dreams, she supported and fulfilled his vision. Diana Ross had 5 #1 hits under her belt before she became intimate with Berry Gordy, according to his and Mary Wilson's autobiographies. The facts don't support your false narrative.

@s.rhockenhull1168

5 жыл бұрын

If she was "hard working" why would it be done in secret? (Motive) Why didn't she invite the other two? (Out for self) Why weren't Mary's and Flo's wishes of having a Tutor from Wayne state U to travel with them be denied? (Nobody could advance in the company that would upset the C average graduate) That doesn't suggest Laziness. Just your sour revision suited for the myth of "hard work" you promote. The autobiography of Mary Wilson would also document that it was Diane's intention of "getting" Gordy. It was preplanned on her part all along.

It's showbiz.its not Bible study...as teens, u don't know that, and the lack of knowledge perishes u. Plain and simple. U either wise up and roll with the flow, or u leave 💯

Where can I see the whole documentary to this seems interesting.

Legend

Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson were not satisfied with being the most famous background singers. Diana Ross was the star. There were no Supremes without her. A hard pill to swallow, but the truth.

What was this from

Mary RIP My favourite and Speciàl and Supremes

Leave it to rest. They were just young. Imagine holding a grudge against u for something u did at 21.

@MauriceRivers415

5 жыл бұрын

True, especially when they ALL enjoyed the same lifestyle as superstars from 1964-1970.

Diane and Berry definitely drove Flo to drink. They we're two snakes in the grass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@reealitychick

5 жыл бұрын

ROBERT both gordy ross-- were naive'' about who gets what!!! after demising Flo s career---- read ALL about what happened to them along the way..'' there are forces that are watching out for the entertainers... unseen... Gordy -- failed in the movies--- failed in the tv--- failed in the Motown... GORDY SHULD HAVE HUNG ON TO THE 3 ORIGINAL SUPREME S he would have fared so much better -- personality -- reputation and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and more!!! RESPECT!!!

@roberta.lofgrenjr.9182

5 жыл бұрын

@@reealitychick I agree. Gordy got it up the ass, but what about Diane? Is she going to get it as well that bitch?

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

@@reealitychick Oh please gordy is worth over 300 million dollars how you figure he failed and the 3 movies he produced went on to be classics in the black community Diana and Berry changed music around the globe. That is a legacy of success and today a 50 million Motown entertainment complex is being built in Detroit right now...does that sound like failure?

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

@@roberta.lofgrenjr.9182 Ha ha ha don't you hate looking at Diana's family and how successful they are and how she still sells out wherever she goes. Like last year 2 nights at the Hollywood Bowl 18,000 people each night. Don't that make you made that she didn't end up a failure like Mary and Flo...don't that just make you want to spit...???

@roberta.lofgrenjr.9182

4 жыл бұрын

@@mic6434 NO!

is there a pt.2 ?

Flo's situation was not the fault of Diana Ross and lets not forget it was she who set up education funds for Flo's daughters. Mary made a career of bashing Diana Ross. I understand it because she needed to keep the fans interested in The Supremes, so she had to fuel this one-sided feud between her and Diana Ross. I love the fact that in all of these years Diana has refused to entertain all of the negativity.

@MiamiPush2theLimit

3 жыл бұрын

Diana lives in a fantasy. Even Jackie Kennedy thought she was insane after talking to her about writing her autobiography.

@curtismichael4703

3 жыл бұрын

@@MiamiPush2theLimit Lives in a fantasy in what way? I would say that she's living her best life and certainly is not concerned with any haters opinions. Anyone from the Kennedy clan are the last to question anyone's sanity or moral compass.

She was at first a Motown groupie hanger on and then slept her way to the top while degrading and belittling Flo and destroying her life!!!

War... War never changes.

Friends look out for each other…. Diana didn’t wanna be friends anymore….

Legend has it Diana Ross wanted to sing at Flo's funeral. Anyone know if this actually happened and was Ross allowed to attend ?

Flo 💛

Mary Wilson Make up your mind!! One day you love Diana The next you trash her Advice to Miss Ross Forget about Wilson and any reunion!!! You don’t need hypocrites!!! You are a star!!!!!

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

How dare you speak of Miss Wilson like that in regards to that old street whore Diana Ross!

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@DeVante Cooley Wilson trashes Ross every chance she gets, then, acts surprised when Ross thinks twice before working with her. Read Tom Adratas' Ross biography:"A Lifetime to Get Here: Diana Ross: The American Dreamgirl": www.amazon.com/Lifetime-Get-Here-American-Dreamgirl/dp/1425971407/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=

@MrStyle23

6 жыл бұрын

What you see is Mary Wilson wants to be a friend but I guess the truth hurts Miss Ross but the truth is the truth.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@MrStyle23 Mary Wilson spreads nothing but lies about Diana Ross. How is that "wanting to be a friend"? What's really sad is how many of Wilson's lies have been so easily debunked Even Florence Ballard is on the record stating that Wilson "says one thing, then does another". Wilson's pissed because she wants to be Diana Ross. She's, basically, Salieri to Diana Ross' Mozart.

@jackanthony976

6 жыл бұрын

Love and hate go together.

Where’s the full video? Why did y’all fold and let them force you to take it down? It’s history and should be seen by the public💯

The interviews were put together from different stages and spliced together. They weren't necessarily referring to Diana Ross. It's a sham.

If you watch the “entire” Reelz episode of “Breaking the band” you would have a different perspective of Diana. Flo was the lead singer of the Supreme’s for 6 years & not one song made the charts just as the Temptations. Barry made an executive decision & switched Diana to lead same with David Ruffin & the record sale soared! The jealousy & probably mixed with ego caused the division but for 6 years they had top chart hits with Diana. Flo unfortunately could not handle the fact that she was not the lead regardless of the success with Diana leading, she wanted to sabotage the success with drinking, not showing up to gigs, poking her stomach out to appear overweight etc..it would either be the demise of the group or replace her. Now in my opinion if she felt she should’ve been the lead, move on start another group because though she started this group as “The Primettes” Barry owned the name “Supremes”. If her voice had the ability to sale she could’ve been just as successful solo or in another female group. She did make a few songs to my understanding after leaving the Supremes that didn’t make the charts. Not to throw shade or disrespect the dead nor discredit her voice but but but! If it was Diana’s voice that took the group to the top & ya’ll eating & are successful why let jealousy or the need to be in lead destroy everything you worked for. Maybe she did change to a Diva but all 3 of you were in your own right. She knew it was her voice that changed the game & she took her spot like it or hate it, there would be no success without Diana taking the lead period!

@MiamiPush2theLimit

3 жыл бұрын

They all sang lead for those first few years. Some of the songs Diana sung lead on weren’t successful either. Berry just felt she had a more commercial sound so he made her lead and he made HDH write songs specifically to suit her voice. Berry specifically wanted to destroy Florence after she turned him down. He literally said “I’m gonna break that bitch”. He is a cruel man. Even Diana said in her book that he was emotionally abusive. He went too far. And Flo was not equipped to deal with that abuse.

@divinewilliams3055

2 жыл бұрын

flo was not the lead singer. all 3 took turns depending on the style of the song. only 1 single was released with flo on leads, berry didnt like it so it wasnt promoted. the 'no hit supremes' tag was started because all the recordings released with ROSS on lead failed to chart, until the pairing with HDH, who were instructed to write songs with her voice in mind. both florence and mary had much more versatile voices than diana

@zedmak

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiamiPush2theLimit I thought they said her voice was too churchy.. and that the wanted a different type of sound.

@gracegreen1859

2 жыл бұрын

@@zedmak yes that’s my understanding

@Jasper7182009

Жыл бұрын

@@divinewilliams3055 …. And that one song that Florence sang the lead on, that was a song that Berry Gordy himself wrote. And that song, buttered popcorn, is a trip!!

florence was a great singer but so were marthe reeves, gladys horton from the marvalettes had flo stayed the lead singer the supremes probably would have faded like the marvalettes and the vandellas. it was dianas voice that was different and set the supremes apart from other groups. record buyers made baby love and where did our love go #1 hits before they knew what the supremes even lookedlike and it was becsuse of the uniqeness of dianas voice that was different. it takes more tp make it than just being a good singer. you have to have your own sound. and that what ross has florence had a strong soulful voice that didnt set it that far apart from martha. gladys or even aretha but ross sounded different and thats what sold. gordy knew that!!!

@dangerislander

4 жыл бұрын

Its cause dianas voice was the most white sounding

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

@@dangerislander what's your point? That because she not screaming the house down she doesn't sound black? Stereotypes

@bethechangeusee

4 жыл бұрын

@@mic6434 no their point is that non-soulful voices are more marketable to white audiences, who were the majority of the US population back then. Pushing the most marketable black woman to the forefront is is nothing new.

@dbrown9495

4 жыл бұрын

@@dangerislander no, it more jazzier! You can tell she was black!!

@FabledRomance

4 жыл бұрын

Except Aretha sold tons during that era so your argument is moot. Diana sold and stood out because her voice was unique and GOOD. Deal with the number ones..

FULL EPISODE!??!

No matter what Diana says she was always jealous if Mary Wells and that's why she went after Berry Gordy she knew what she was doing I don't have alot of money but I'll tell you one thing I would do what ever I could to help the people' she so called her friends she will have to answer one day like all of us but the money she has is really Gordy daughters

I love all the Supremes. They were 3 talented ladies. They are still the number one girl group of all times as of 2018. 1. Some had more talent in movies and singing, while others had more talent in writing best selling books. 2. Of course Diana Ross got the big head when she was lead singer. It is well documented that she got Gladys Knight and the Pips thrown off a tour headlining the Supremes. Why? because Gladys was upstaging the final act. She was throwing down and the crowd was going crazy. Other incidents are written in "All that Glittered, My life with the Supremes" by Tony Turner. DR got many people fired when you pissed her off. Even when the fault was really her fault. Read the incidents with her dogs in his book. 3. Later on Diana apologized to Gladys saying...(paraphrasing)" I was young and very insecure. We all had to grow up" meaning that human spirits come to earth to learn lessons in love. The spirits evolve, expand, and grow up to a Christ-like consciousness. The meaning of life is simple...LOVE. Love is the fulfillment of the Law. 4. Tony spills the tea on all 3 women. he called Mary the Motown Ho because she slept with White married men who did nothing to help further he career. Tom Jones, Steve McQueen, etc. Maybe she was young and naive.. 5.. He applauds Diana Ross who went after men who could help her career. Guys like Smokey Robinson, one of the Holland Dozier guys, etc. This man's wife came down to the studio to beat Dr's butt and Florence had to step in to protect skinny Diana. Then later on DR landed the Biggest Fish, Berry Gordy. Gordy had many affairs with other women at Motown. That's in the book also. 6. Unfortunately Berry Gordy , who is 15 years older than Diana, decided he would concentrate most of his energy and money on developing Diana's talent. He decided he would not allow Florence and Mary to sing any leads on the B sides of the hit records. 7. Naturally, Florence and Mary were hurt. Florence decided to act out and challenge the boss. Wrong move. Gordy fired her. 7. Mary handled this very well even though she was young. She kept quiet and made no waves. Where else could a young black girl make that kind of money and have that kind of exposure. She decided she would ride this train until it stopped. Smart move on her part. 8. Mary made lemonade out of the lemons she was given. She is worth at least 8 Million dollars. Not bad for a young black girl growing up in the projects. I am sure she had more fun doing this than working in an office. 9. Diana had the most singing talent and became an icon. Hopefully by now, Diana has apologized to others like she did to Gladys Knight.

@keensterd3654

5 жыл бұрын

Well said. I like that you were pretty objective too. I'm a Diana fan but I know she's no angel especially when she was younger she surely was a piece of work but she did have the talent and drive to be a star. There's no short cut for hard work and I can't remember who it was, but someone who worked on "Motown" was interviewed a few years ago and said that Diana was the hardest working person at "Motown". She earned her fame and success. I love Mary and Flo too and I do feel bad for what they went through especially Flo, but let's be honest, Diana had more of an "it" factor than either. The group wouldn't have been as such if anyone other than Diana was lead singer.

@barbarawebb7185

5 жыл бұрын

Gladys Knight always had a lot more talent than Diana.

@reealitychick

5 жыл бұрын

@@keensterd3654 AGAIN BULL shit SUGAR KEENster---- all 3 had THE MAGIC... you were not there--- we were... Mary and Flo were NOT really given the chance.. DO YOU NOT GET IT.. YES DIANA HAD THAT VOICE ''' but it was the 3 together ---who sang--- did their moves and dance--- looks and smiles that made them so SPECIAL... EVEN ROBIN SEYMORE OF SWINGING TIME SAID THE SUPREME S WERE JUST AS LEGENDARY AS THE ''ANDREW SISTERS AND THE MAGUIRE SISTERS what a great compliment and this was said in 1966,,,,, TO BERRY GORDIE... ((((little did anyone know -well maybe ross knew)))) HE was going to destroy the Supreme s//

@FabledRomance

4 жыл бұрын

Singing harder doesn’t equal more talent. Without a Song, Unchained Melody..these aren’t even DR’s songs and they display her ability. Quite well..

Whilst I am probably the most hugest and most obsessed fan of Florence who looks up to her, I will open-handedly admit there are things I disagree with her doing, such as resorting to alcoholism and smoking, 2 things of which I witnessed my Grandad do after losing his parents at the age of 4. But however, no one is perfect, it doesn't mean Diana, neither even Mary were 100% innocent, everyone had a part to play in this, including Berry Gordy himself. But I hope when I see the full story, it's not a load of conjured up BS that is pretty much been put together to cause more conspiracies and fake facts. Peter's interview however is the most and only thing I will believe what I hear on this.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@FlorenceBallardA3060 Unfortunately, from the looks of things, this program will be all about bashing Diana Ross, a favorite activity of also-rans, complete with plenty of Flo-victimizing.

@sweetpea5907

6 жыл бұрын

no one is bashing Diana Ross---they are telling the story of how it was--albeit some of it was a bit much--Florence was a victim and so was Mary and even Diana--cause she was used to get that hit group--that is what BG wanted and he got it---some folks even said he was the puppet master--from controlling how people looked to how they sounded

@saintjay8058

6 жыл бұрын

Remember she did try to get help but nobody took her seriously in the mental institution

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

Anytime you say anything remotely controversial concerning Diane Ross her nutty fans just loose it! Diana Ross mistreated both Mary and Flo. She was sleeping with their boss. She had his ear on everything. She could have spoke up for both Mary and Flo to Berry, but did the opposite!

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This old bastard, Shelly Berger here in this clip always had a chip on his shoulder when it came to Flo, I cannot stand his old crusty ass. She did not always have a drinking problem

I can't wait for a Pink Floyd doc

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

www.reddit.com/r/pinkfloyd/comments/2sx64i/any_good_pink_floyd_documentaries/

we really are just dust in the wind. it all fades away.

The title of this should be Diana was definitely THE STAR of the Supremes. We should be showing young girls that determination, focus and hard work does pay off. Not the opposite.

@Dion_Mustard

4 жыл бұрын

yes thats true but the other side of the coin is that the other ladies were neglected and pushed aside. and if that happened to you, you'd be pissed off. fact.

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard last time I looked its called show business and if you don't have the talent you will fall to the way side. If Berry thought either one of them could make him some money he would has supported them but neither had "it". You can't buy it or learn it....Diana had/has "it."

@Dion_Mustard

4 жыл бұрын

@@mic6434 actually in the beginning Berry wasn't impressed with Diane's voice - in fact he wasn't blown away by any of them, that was why he sent them away to finish education. If he saw that spark in Diana right away, he would've taken her to the microphone right away. Berry also asked Smokey to give Flo some lead songs and Mary too in the beginning. It was when HDH took control of The Supremes that they had hits. There is no denying they all had talent. Flo had the gospel soulful voice and the attitude. Mary also had a lovely deep soothing voice suited for many songs of that era. Mary has survived the business and done extremely well. Talent comes in many forms. Diana can't play an instrument, she just sings, so many would say she isn't that talented. I like to think all 3 ladies were very talented.

@classanddignity

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Dion_Mustard Diana Ross as lead OUTSOLD every ARTIST, Black and White in the 60’s, to be only rivaled by Elvis and the Beatles. Diana landed the group’s major hit with “Where did our love go”, which Eddie Holland favored Mary to sing (AS IT WAS IN A LOWER KEY). Yet, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, & Berry favored Diana. Diana did not even want to record that song, but WAS FORCED. It was a hit for her in 1964. That’s when Eddie started to come around for he WITNESSED Diana SING THAT SONG PROPERLY without even trying. That’s when he realized & began to think she also should be the lead, esp. when those consecutive hits came that were modeled in similar style. It was all about executing Berry’s vision with the POP sound and a versatile sound, which no other Black female artist really had (esp. Flo); so definitely not Flo or Mary. Mary was not the lead even when Diana left the group, or when Jean left, so sex did not make those hits; TALENT did.

@Dion_Mustard

4 жыл бұрын

@@classanddignity all 3 ladies were talented. all 3 ladies had beautiful voices. diana was pushed forward and eventually flo and mary tossed aside as though they were worthless - SO - regardless of who had most talent etc , mary and flo were treated unfairly. as with groups such as destinys child - beyonce became the focus and the lead on most of the songs BUT michelle and kelly were treated as important. michelle and kelly got to speak during interviews. michelle and kelly shared their dressing rooms with beyonce. that was fair. and that group worked just fine. BUT with the supremes - regardless of whose voice was most suited - mary and flo had amazing voices and should have been allowed to sing more lead especially on tour. success is not everything - and often the most successful in life are the most corrupt (diana). end of.

Diana Ross didn't carry Florence and Mary on her back they WERE THE SUPREMES... Berry Gordy sieged the opportunity to make that group his top #1 group and did with diane (who's name was CHANGED to Diana) lead singer. SHE WAS A CASH COW but didn't bank the money she earned. She still lived in Brewsters project's right along with Mary and Florence. They only got about $100 or so a piece. Supreme Florence struggled to her death, Supreme Mary lives but managed, and Yes Diana Ross went on to be who she is today...

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

You sound crazy.

Sorry simple fact. I would not have followed the Supremes if Flo was the lead singer and I doubt if the group would still be talked about today if that were the case. Love her or loath her I cannot see how anyone who can doubt that Diana Ross brought something to the sound of the supremes that was different and resonated with the record buying public

@thomasstafford7313

5 жыл бұрын

John London who cares .

@jonldn

5 жыл бұрын

Thomas Stafford obviously you do... you replied.... don’t care don’t comment

@thomasstafford7313

5 жыл бұрын

John London i am a supreme fan.after Diana left the group Mary and Cindy still had hits as Supremes with out Mrs Ross

@jonldn

5 жыл бұрын

Thomas Stafford I can’t see where I said that they didn’t. The original supremes were all extremely talented ladies but I think that the vitriol towards Diana Ross needs to be balanced . She has a quality that appeals to many.

When the Boss has a hidden agenda and a playground of these girls doing whatever to get on the group couldn't survive all members let alone people brought in by ownership in all groups and with artists to hook them on drugs and poor decision making to get them at the mercy of the CEO

I can't stand no Diana ross! She was the diva because she was sleeping with the boss a married berry Gordy

I WOULD DRINK TOO IF I HAD TO DEAL WITH ROSS. WHO I CAN"T STAND AND DON'T...GOD BLESS FLORENCE!

@Ostine8333

4 жыл бұрын

Damo Trent oh shut the hell up

@LoveTheKay

4 жыл бұрын

Damo Trent she had the best voice

@LoveTheKay

4 жыл бұрын

Damo Trent DIANA CANT SING LMFAOOOO. flo sounded good soulful so she didn’t sell lol. Diana sounded more like a white women singing pop. Know your supremes history

@LoveTheKay

4 жыл бұрын

Damo Trent lmfao bitch I said she sounded white. Only reason why she was pushed to the front. Everyone knows flo and Mary were better singers lol

@LoveTheKay

4 жыл бұрын

Damo Trent like I said she sounded white lmao. She can’t even sing. She used backup singers in her songs💀💀💀. And she never won a Grammy. She’s washed up.

no sound.

@blogshagify

5 жыл бұрын

Because your sound card is shit

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Diana wasn’t no damn good!!! Barry wasn’t either

@ceeceetracey9839

Жыл бұрын

thats all

Thus is so biased against Diana. Thus is so bad. A male bashing against women

@quentellthomas4003

5 жыл бұрын

tbyjb it was facts

The guy is talking about Flo's drinking then he say's "she was pissed" not meaning inebriated, sossled or tanked up.........meaning that she was fed up, annoyed or angry ....... He was really saying that Flo was "Pissed Off"!

Florence's speaking voice sounds like Aretha

Ms.Ross was definiatly the correct choice to lead the 'Supremes'...Berry Gordy musical ear was 100% correct, he would have worked out the tone of the vocalists voices alongside the musical arrangement, as regards sound & texture of the recordings...I still rate the Supremes as the finest female vocal group of all time...The music/recordings have stood the test of time...Mr. Gordy was/is a true genius...

there is no doubt that diana was pushed to the forefront so to speak and all the attention put on her. both berry and smokey were fond of her talent and beauty and they wanted to make her a star. hence the other girls were virtually tossed aside. it's very tragic indeed because before fame and fortune, diana was just a regular girl. but as we know money and fame = corruption. in my opinion, the supremes consisted of 3 amazingly talented ladies each gave their own unique style and voice to the group. but sadly mary and flo were not given the chance.

This is TOO FUNNY!!😂😂😂😂

Sorry about Flo. But, Diana has a right to be Diana and enjoy the fruit of her labor.

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

no she doesn't. DR is a horrible woman. i care not about her success.

@MajorMovieStar

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard You say that as if your opinion is the last word. It’s a done deal. Diana had great success and is living a happy life with another generation of fans and family.🤷🏾‍♀️

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

@@MajorMovieStar as i said, i care not about her success - nor do many millions of others. she has had her karma too. alcoholism and losing many loved ones. the woman was a cow in her youth and i do not like disingenuine people.

@Danlovar

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard I also don't care about Diana's success, but my God 1980's Diana, what an album produced by Chic, and Chain Reaction, what an incredible song made by the Bee Gees.

@punkanellylovejoy702

3 жыл бұрын

If she was reaping the fruits of her labor, she'd be burning in West Hell right about now

THE SUPREMES as they're inducted into history and music royalty at THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM are Ms Florence Ballard, Ms Mary Wilson and Miss Diane Ross. Never inducted as DRATS (Diane Ross And The Supremes) the manufacture magic carpet ride, designed by her lover and benefactor Motown CEO Berry Gordy once Diane got inside his pants and their SEX FOR STARDOM alliance took root in 1965. By 1969 Berry Gordy will delivered Diane Ross her solo career, followed in the 1970's by three Hollywood movie roles, LSTB, Mahogany and The Wiz. After that their welcome in Hollywood was overstated and Diane's acting became Television roles. Where movie stars go to fade away.

Sad

We all know what Diana did if it wasn't for Gordy she wouldn't be where she is now I love Diana it just wasn't fair and it wasn't only diana many very musical people were screwed by Gordy even men but at least now he knows what an ass he was bk in the day but that's show biz over half even more is the reason Diana has the money she has after all she had is child she knew what to do but breaking up a marriage that's sad but who knows

i like the girls who play mary and flo they look hot. Peter Benjamin is shocked Flo wasnt in a mental institution? Her phone number was listed anyone could call her she didnt even have the money to get an unlisted number

Everybody says that Diana Ross worked hard so why is that no one has a great story to say about her from Gladys Knight Patti LaBelle Wilson Pickett etc... she was a backstabber and for herself. All of this she was a hard worker is cute but when she played out of bounds like sleeping with the boss cause that was not a relationship especially when the boss is married you can’t do those things especially when you are in a group that has three lead singers. She railroad her friends used them to make her a star and didn’t reach back. And now because of Diana Ross the supremes legacy is tainted due to her mistakes that she knows she tainted. But it’s no different now with black people we quick to jump for crossover success to be accepted by white folks fuck crossing over there is power in the black dollar . If she was so it at the time of the supremes she should’ve left in the 60s don’t use your used to be friends for your own success simple. Everybody on here talking about how this and that she was then why not leave and do your thang and let the supremes do what they have to do but Diana wasn’t going to do that cause if Florence’s or Mary took lead and the hits would’ve kept coming Diana wouldn’t have been able to sustain a solo career. Niggas got that bad just to be accepted by white folks and when it’s all said and done they still see us for color as it is showing in 2019 with this asshole of a president. So kill all that crossover shit

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

Gladys is jealous. Patti Is jealous. How come we never hear negative stories about them? Because nobody cares about them...but folk like you care about Diana...

@DetroitLives313

4 жыл бұрын

@Anthony Smith Right on! You can add Martha Reeves, Bettye Lavette and Dionne Warwick and many others to your list of people that know how bitchy Diana Ross really is.

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

Anthony where do you get this stuff from with your ignorant self? Do you think this stuff up in that fever swamp in your mind?? She has stepped over people like you who have that strong jealousy inside them for her whole career.

@sufundasamuels431

4 жыл бұрын

Anthony Smith exactly! So many people don't want to call Diana what she was or possibly still is and that's a bitch. She got so high and mighty that she treated Florence and Mary like peasants. She should have the best of everything, she did screw around with Berry and eventually had his baby. Diana's oldest daughter is by Berry Gordy and her name is Rhonda Ross-Kendricks.

@punkanellylovejoy702

3 жыл бұрын

@@mic6434 😂 Good try sweetie. But I don't think ANYONE is buying THAT truckload of dung!

Mary was the instigator.

@vivianvandella8406

5 жыл бұрын

Miss Mary LIVES off the Legacy of EVERY OTHER Supreme

@missfit8650

5 жыл бұрын

I think so too. Something about her seems sneaky. when Diana left the Supremes she would still go to their concerts and support them and promote them in her interviews. when Mary did her first solo concert Diana was sitting right in the front row holding Mary's baby while she performed on stage. She even helped Mary financially...soooo I always thought Mary's behavior was odd.

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

@Punkanelly Lovejoy I would have kicked Gladys off too. Showbiz rule number one you never show up the headliner....I would kick her ass off with a quickness. And Gladys is so jealous of Diana that 50 yrs later she is telling that story to anyone who will listen. Diana doesn't mention any of the haters that dog her like Patti and Gladys and of coarse Mary whose chin implant looks like a russet potato

@punkanellylovejoy702

4 жыл бұрын

@@vivianvandella8406 no sweetie, Mary is living off the legacy of her own legend as a Supreme. And despite never having had even one hit single as a solo artist, she still gets paid at least a million dollars a year because of her very own legacy.

@DESSEII

3 жыл бұрын

Or...... maybe she was trying to be neutral. She didn't want to choose sides. She wanted to keep the peace.

Diana era una trepa que se lió con Gordy para triunfar en solitario.

Tell us more! Video is too short and is such a teaser.

In a way, the Supremes let Diana get her way by staying silent, giving her control to do what she wanted, talent or not, nice ppl treat each other cordial, if your mature.

@Dion_Mustard

4 жыл бұрын

agree

@FlyyGirl1000

3 жыл бұрын

How pitiful 🥴💀 couldn’t be me, that’s all I’m saying

The Supremes were NEVER "Equal", it took DIANA ROSS to put the 3 on Top, Diana never got a Penny more than the other Girls (and never asked). Diana was (is) EXCEPTIONAL. History has Proven that.

@thomasstafford7313

5 жыл бұрын

Vivian Vandella how do you know all this? Are you 75 years old? All hear say not facts

@vivianvandella8406

5 жыл бұрын

The "Facts" are, Diana Ross is a Legend & Superstar all these things are Common knowledge & have been published Numerous times.@@thomasstafford7313

@jonsa270

5 жыл бұрын

@@thomasstafford7313 It's been well documented that Diana got equal pay to the others, and never a cent more, despite the fact that she worked a whole load harder than the others. Martha Reeves said that "no one worked harder than Ross" and this was echoed by many at Motown. When she left Gordy and Motown she wasn't even rich because Diana, like all the other artists there, was robbed of millions by Gordy, and he even took back gifts that he'd given to her.

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasstafford7313 What Vivian said doesn't require confirmation all you had to do is look...its obvious

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

@Punkanelly Lovejoy No honey it took an exceptional singer to put those songs at the top of the charts...so say what you will you can't change history. Plus Diana today is a superstar in every country on the globe....because of her voice...

I thought Diva was a name like Queen or a lady. Once I read about the many rich or men that were popular Divas slept with, I started realizing what it really meant.

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Diana Ross was, is and will forever be The Supreme Supreme and OG Diva. Period, point blank. Berry Gordy said it himself. It was through Diana Ross that he was able to achieve every dream he had for Motown from prestigious clubs like the Copa, to Broadway, to Television all the way up til the silver screen. Diana Ross is a legend and I'm thankful for her life and career. She inspires me personally as well as millions of others around the world.

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

Berry Gordy said it himself, an ex street pimp from off of John R. in Detroit! Humpf! LOL!

@ceeceetracey9839

6 жыл бұрын

When Berry Gordy tried to bring the Supremes back to the Copa without Flo, the Copa owner - Jules Podell - wouldn't even allow them go on stage without Flo. They had to bring her back. And thats a fact. I didn't only read this in the thousands of Supremes books I read in my younger days. I read this in a post from a relative of Mr. Podell, telling people how he loved Florence, loved her singing, thought she was hilarious with great comedic timing and loved that she was gorgeous and sexy.

@DetroitLives313

6 жыл бұрын

CeeCee, that is exactly true and thank you! These "Diana Ross fans only" either don't know or forgot that the public fell in love with THREE Supremes , not one. That is why the Supremes are one of few groups where each one was well known by their name. When Florence died it was Worldwide news. It was the same thing when Mary Wilson had that tragic accident. The Supremes will always be bigger than Diana Ross solo artist.

@TheReturnOfStephan1

6 жыл бұрын

@Cee Cee Tracey Jules Podell wanted the exact same three girls who wowed his club the first time, regardless of who they were. This is very common in show business. Had Miss Barlow performed at the first run of shows, he'd have demanded she return for the second. Had he "loved" Ballard so much, he would have given her a solo show at The Copacabana after she left the group, as he ran the club until 1973. He didn't. I guess he, or the audience, didn't "love" ballard as much as they profess.

@ceeceetracey9839

6 жыл бұрын

@@TheReturnOfStephan1 But Marlene BARROW didn't so that comment is irrelevant. It was FLORENCE BALLARD that Mr Podell loved.

You can say what you want. Berry Gordy cause this riff between these girls when he secretly direct the producers to give the lead sheet to Diana instead of letting the girls take lead on some of the Supremettes songs.

@mic6434

4 жыл бұрын

What do you mean "he secretly directed the producers to give her the lead" That is some bullcrap...Berry Gordy was the boss and cut the checks he didn't have to do anything in secret especially when he determined who should do what. If either of them had sung lead on any of their 12 number ones they would have flopped.

The?Supremes Are?Legends

so folks going KZread and listen to flow balance video tapes everything Mary said in her book was true by Diana Ross cuz slow validated in her own words and her own voice before she passed away Ross and your ass beat