Join our F1 Mailing List! 👉 driver61.mailchimpsites.com

@marble25

2 жыл бұрын

On what mail you're gonna try to sell me something?

@TK4491TK

2 жыл бұрын

Great analysis of this topic, but the solution provided at the end of the video (also the same as wtf1's opinion) I don't think is the solution. If the DRS detection line was moved to the exit of turn 27 and I was in this situation, I would try and take a very high and wide entry to turn 27 allowing for a couple of cars width on the inside of the corner, in the hope the driver following would fill the gap down the inside and exit the corner slightly ahead therefore not gaining DRS for the pit straight..

@TSDT97

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the DRS detection line needs to be moved. Both in Bahrain and here the problem occured becaused of the DRS zones were chained together. I think with these new cars only a single DRS in each track would be enough.

@uncleelias

2 жыл бұрын

The International Sporting Code Appendix L, Chapter 4, Section 2e forbids what they did. Both should have been penalized. The rules are already in place. The FIA simply does not enforce their rules consistently. There is where the fault lies. The FIA needs to be changed. Apply the rules consistently at all times. Yes, initially people will complain that the rules are getting in the way of good racing. However, eventually as drivers and teams learn that they will lose out if they don't follow the rules, the racing will return and the stewards' job will be made easier. We fans will feel that the races are being called fairly and that there are no shenanigans.

@ctdesing

2 жыл бұрын

So when Leclerc does it you call him intelligent and when Verstappen does it you call him dangerous, what a biased opinion.

From memory... Those strategies existed from the start when they introduced DRS... I remember some drivers doing it during Canada 2013, even if the detection line was on a acceleration zone. But I remember clearly some cars "slowling down" to get behind on the detection line. So the issue is not really new for me. Now it's just more visible as we have regularly duels in the front for 2 years where even the smallest advantage can make the difference.

@HateCrewReaper

2 жыл бұрын

my thoughts exactly and did we already forget Hamilton vs Verstappen at this very same circuit and corner from last year🤔🤔🤔

@MrPuddles3331

2 жыл бұрын

It was Lewis and Alonso if I remember correctly.

@Scorch158

2 жыл бұрын

Alonso vs Hamilton, 2011 Canada

@elghiffarihidayat6534

2 жыл бұрын

yeah true, and I think they can consider to remove some of the zones. Considering for me, DRS is to compensate the disadvantage of dirty air and has been reduced a lot by the new bodywork

@rumblefish9

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scorch158 Nope 2013 Canadian GP.

"Is it dangerous?" Remembering the Verstappen-Hamilton version of DRS chicken game from last year: yeah, it can be!

@martimxavier9690

2 жыл бұрын

If two drivers are of sync like Max and Lewis were last year. Yes. If they both know eachother, it just happens like yesterday

@RafaHuel

2 жыл бұрын

@@martimxavier9690 or maybe if the car behind isnt dumb enough to keep behind a car nearly stopping, it works

@oexw4884

2 жыл бұрын

It can be if the car behind is an idiot that positions the car directly behind the lead car

@hiran4935

2 жыл бұрын

That was because Lewis did not understand what Max was trying to do and kept his car behind Max knowing he is going to brake deep to DRS detection line and blamed Max for "brake checking" him. But Leclerc and Max seem to understand the games they play with each other very well.

@ston3c01d

2 жыл бұрын

@@hiran4935 It seems it takes at least 8 F1 DWC titles to be intuitively able to pass a slow car in front

I’m enjoying watching drivers have to consider this as part of their on track tactics, and I don’t believe they’d be doing it with a third car involved in the battle anyway as it’d put them at risk of giving up 2nd place as well as 1st, so the danger for surrounding drivers seems like a fairly moot point to me

@sangokwho

2 жыл бұрын

Case in point with the Alonso/Ocon battle where they had Botts/KMag behind

@amansinghrathore2344

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, but what about backmarkers under blue flags. They need to get out of the way for the leaders, but the leaders don’t want to speed up to pass them. There’s a way to get around this safely as well, but it would better if they put in a regulation that allows DRS antics, but safely

@wmyates17

2 жыл бұрын

@@amansinghrathore2344 if they deem that the dirty air reduction is good enough from the new regulations, they could probably just say no DRS off backmarkers. But if the reduction is enough they might just say no more DRS, which I don’t want 😅

@amansinghrathore2344

2 жыл бұрын

@@wmyates17 Yeah, I agree. Either keep DRS as it is now or remove the entire thing. DRS off backmarkers is an interesting aspect of the strategies as well. And they probably won’t remove it, we haven’t even seen these cars at tracks where it’s difficult to overtake

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

Same, I like it but it's not the DNA of F1, F1 prides pure racing so this has to be canned.

DRS was brought in to overcome the time lost from following another car through corners. If that problem has been greatly reduced but the advantage from DRS is unchanged then it just become an overtake button. I think the DRS detection zones should be on the straight slightly before where you can deploy it, not before the corner.

@2639theboss

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, they could actually go the indycar route and make an overtake button with a limited use that the drivers can choose to strategically deploy for better or for worse.

@ericd2311

Жыл бұрын

@@2639theboss Isn’t that what ERS is?

tbh. I enjoyed watching them play DRS chicken.

@ALPHABYTE64

2 жыл бұрын

It was stupid, no true Racing

@gabrielmoralesgonzalez6471

2 жыл бұрын

I missed that part because I fell asleep.

@MyloSkeng

2 жыл бұрын

@@ALPHABYTE64 I agree with you. I kinda see how some people find it fun, but at the end of the day F1 is not a game

@mariodriessen9740

2 жыл бұрын

@@ALPHABYTE64 : Agreed, but apparently this is what they need to do to win races. So something needs to be changed imo. Unfortunately, I don’t think we should get rid of the DRS zones. Leave them away and you would’ve seen a pretty boring race. But maybe they could reduce the number of DRS zones and change the detection points? 🤷🏻‍♂️

I actually loved the big brain moves and surely want more

@JBVXR

2 жыл бұрын

Finally the races are more exciting and people already complaining about how to make it more boring again. DRS games are only a thing when both cars on are their own, at which point it's predictable anyway because it's obvious where the advantage is (crossing 2nd over the DRS line if there is a subsequent DRS straight). People moaning for the sake of moaning.

@wanderingjuniper

2 жыл бұрын

@@JBVXR that reads like a moan

@Chris-xl6pd

2 жыл бұрын

@@JBVXR So what do you make rules about it now? Only DRS games are allowed when 2 cars are away from the pack? Do nothing and then everyone starts pushing the limits of DRS games in traffic until something crazy happens? I aint saying you are one but the amount of people that have been crying because DRS is fake overtaking and now because the cars can follow better they are just abusing the power of the DRS playing these games, somehow this is now a real overtake? I like the games because it shows the talent of these kids to think of extra stuff whilst on the edge of a cars ability but this is a disaster waiting to happen if they dont bring some kind of ruling on it. The simplest fix is literally what driver61 said, put the DRS zone detection after the corner, then there is no reason to take a corner dishonestly to try and gain DRS advantage. This is still going to generate fantastic racing and thats what real racing is about, not gamesmanship at 200 mph.

@max1milly

2 жыл бұрын

the biggest big brain move was when Max made Charles take a different line into the first corner, resulting in Leclerc on the back foot for that lap allowing Max to gain the time advantage he needed to gain a good enough lead

@JBVXR

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-xl6pd I don't think anything needs done, leave it the way it is. It's exiciting, if you want maybe make a rule that you can't be a dick on racing line so if the lead car intends to slow down they have to be off-line. I dunno, I just don't think a new dynamic to the racing needs to be fixed just because it's a new dynamic.

Just make the DRS detection directly before the DRS zone

@peigen7151

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah why is it not like this? Would like an explanation to why it is designed they way it is now.

@andynother4900

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense

@kpubemka

2 жыл бұрын

The point of DRS is to undo gained advantage by dirty air from the leading car. Cars are affected the most in the corners. So moving the detection zone AFTER the corner, where the following car is losing the most time, you could not combat this problem ( ._.)

@Rifat-21

2 жыл бұрын

It takes time to detect, send signal to the computer and to open the rear wing Pls have a mind

@BaioWithMayo

2 жыл бұрын

@@kpubemka which is why I liked the idea of it being directly after the corner, before dirty air can take effect. could still have the issue of negating a "switcheroo" by having the dive bomber be ahead with a worse drive, get drs, and make up the deep dive with the drs

The problem with moving the DRS detection point onto the main straight, as suggested in the video, is that nobody would want to pass into the final corner. I think the answer here is that we need greater separation between DRS zones. Just having one corner in between (which we effectively had in Bahrain too, since turns 2 and 3 are easily flat out) means there's always an incentive to stay behind at the detection point. We don't need three DRS zones per lap anyway.

@thorvex

2 жыл бұрын

or move the detection line right before the drs zone? no one will slow down to let the other one pass when they are already full throttle on a straight. but I guess you could try an allow the behind car to pass you before the previous corner.

@spikyone79

2 жыл бұрын

@metronomband That's exactly what we're talking about trying to do - prevent the faking, and the ridiculous situation where drivers are trying *not* to overtake each other. If you remove the DRS zone along the start/finish straight in Saudi (and from turn 3 to 4 in Bahrain), there's no faking because there's no benefit in being behind. At the same time, there is still the chance for a driver that has just been passed to stay close enough to make a non-DRS pass into the next corner.

You can also reduce the power of DRS on any particular straight by changing where the activation zone begins to make them longer or shorter as required. It's been done before where the DRS zone at a track was reduced in length/power by pushing the start point by 50m or so. Also, *if* this type of situation is something we want to remove, and we *don't* want to get rid of DRS, I was also wondering that changing the detection line to after the turn instead of before it would accomplish that, but also would that perhaps introduce any other issues?

@tallesttreeintheforest

2 жыл бұрын

or just ban it on certain tracks and make it available on others.. you do not need DRS on tracks like SPA, it destroys the race. in monaco, not so much.

@Paul-pj5qu

2 жыл бұрын

Your last question is a very important one. I think F1 has made a number of rule changes over time that just substitute one problem for another because it hasn't been thoroughly thought through. They don't ask that last question or give it serious enough consideration.

@Cloxxki

2 жыл бұрын

@@tallesttreeintheforest Bingo. Do we even need the former zone with the latter? They might also make it TWO detection zones, need both to get DRS. Or play with the ultra arbitrary 1 secomd. Easier to follow? Reduce it to 0.7 s. Could be depending on circuit and zone.

@valentinjakob2109

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cloxxki I like the idea to use two Detection zones. How about doing this and allowing DRS only if you are behind within 1 sec for the whole time between the first and second one... And I also thought about introducing a minimum time you have to be behind, so you cannot drive next to the other driver and do the braking maneuvers next to the driver before.

@bocahdongo7769

2 жыл бұрын

I can do better How about... We can activated DRS at anytime but only at limited overall time? It will work pretty much like push-to-pass on IndyCar but without pumping extra fuel

I am a fan of Charles, and I want Charles to win the WDC this year. But I want more of those on-track battles and mind games. Also, about the DRS, I think I have to agree with what Sainz said. DRS are still needed to make a pass or to keep up, it should be shorter than what it is now. The cars are easier to follow, but without DRS it will be difficult to pass. So they won’t need that much DRS as the previous generation of cars, but they will need some DRS. And I think those DRS games are okay, only if there are no cars closing in from behind.

Leclerc: "......." Max: "......" Driver61: "That's some dangerous driving man!" Great video, as always!

@nixonthuo808

2 жыл бұрын

i think i know someone else who said those words 😂

@johnnycab8986

2 жыл бұрын

Lewis punts Verstappen off at 150mph Driver61: "it was a simple racing incident" Lewis drives into the back of Verstappen because.... Driver 61: Verstappen was probably at fault here this channel hates Verstappen

@damjanule9083

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnycab8986 I wouldn't agree. Driver61 is one of the most unbiased f1 related content creators. It's all about racing here and analyzing racing moves from perspective of a professional driver.

@TomBoss123

2 жыл бұрын

@@damjanule9083 Driver61 is british, thus biased by default. Maybe not as much as the general bong media but the bias is still there.

@e3k701

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnycab8986 he said Silverstone was Hamilton's fault

I feel like this has been going on for a while, it just seems much more prominent and common now. Definitely making things interesting, and I'm curious if/how f1 will respond

Loving the battles in the first 2 races. Hope it stays that way each week.

Nothing should change. Seeing driver strategy develop in this way along with each teams tactics in regards to tyre preservation is what will make this season more interesting

@michaeltrumph121

2 жыл бұрын

Everybody should be able to use DRS whenever they want. Or there should be no DRS at all.

Another strategy is for both teams to have their second driver figure out how to pick up the pace so they can't afford to slow down.

Some incredible wheel to wheel racing! That was a treat.

It's necessary, the DRS really helps overtaking, otherwise we have to deal with no overtaking at all, e.g the Italian Formula 4, not so many overtakes despite they are the same chassis and the dirty air doesn't affect performance too much. If you see a race in these categories the draft effect is almost unnoticeable

@PazLeBon

2 жыл бұрын

its like trying to educate brits mate, it wont work

@geirskjo

2 жыл бұрын

not like this.. this is not overtaking.. passing each other mid straight.

@ynehus

2 жыл бұрын

It is almost as if overtaking should not be easy, as if it is a set of skills that require effort.

For the first time since the introduction of DRS it is actually a strategic tool that drivers can use. It requires clever use, understanding of the track and then tricking your opponent in using his at the wrong time. At this track i don't have the feeling DRS was too powerful. It did create all kinds of interesting battles that looked like proper racing (not the BS we had since introduction). In my opinion, leave it as in, but have the FIA calculate where the DRS zones need to be and how long, and where the DRS line should be. Keep it in this sweet spot and you will have one of the most interesting and driver oriented seasons in the last decades, If we don't want DRS anymore, make a power boost button that drivers can use along the track at their own discretion, it would result in the same mind games between drivers and thus good fights on track

@jameshomepro6974

2 жыл бұрын

They were doing this in canada 2013. It's not new

@qvor1996

2 жыл бұрын

They already have the power boost button.

These have been 2 of the most entertaining battles ever back to back weekends… more of this plz

Subscribed! You guys enjoy me often with different interesting topics

My solutions: 1) Detection line should be in the apex of the previous turn to DRS zone. I don't think anyone would risk exit speed of a corner. 2) Detection should be a zone, a large one.

@ericd2311

Жыл бұрын

When you say detection “zone” how would that work?

The Best racing in 25 years or more. Keep DRS right where it's at.

@Obi-WanKannabis

2 жыл бұрын

It's far from the best racing, all they're doing is overtaking in a straight line.

@nickhofstede7613

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Obi-WanKannabis this would still be the case without drs because on the straight you gain speed by following the car, while you lose speed when following a car through corners.

The one racing channel on KZread that I always seem to agree with 100%. Great content , thank you 👍

It's amazing!! What other motorsport can you find such driver tactics!! Offense and defense is so important and decision that can be made lap to lap!! Super entertaining!

The "comeback" DRS might be required to be within 0.5 and 1.0 seconds behind, to prevent the "close" DRS steal. Do cars even NEED any DRS when they are that close to begin with? If there was a 0.5 s minimum there, LEC would not have tried to play.

@ABC97613

2 жыл бұрын

Verstappen would've played to be in the 0.5 sec range

@swe223

2 жыл бұрын

@@ABC97613 Ok but then it's much more difficult to overtake than when you're one tire length behind. It wouldn't be a free and guaranteed overtake like it is now, just a way to close the gap.

@imo098765

2 жыл бұрын

@@swe223 your last point is what we should want. We dont want a button saying, OVERTAKE on it but rather here you can try something rather than the driver in front is a sitting duck

@Cloxxki

2 жыл бұрын

@@ABC97613 Then he'd have to make up half a second while LEC was going fast as possible. Or do you like race car drivers going slow and "after you, sir" because DRS is too darn powerful? In any case, the duration of DRS can be reduced to make it less effective.

Short answer: no Long answer: no

It was really exciting to watch and intriguing to watch the drivers thinking tactically about racing in a new way. I really enjoyed it. I hope they don't change it BUT I can see why they would if they do. Can see a similar situation unfolding to the Tuscan GP with the huge crash after Bottas lead the pack into safety car restart, cars braking, accelerating, and mis-reading the situation ahead of them

I have outsmarted your outsmarting that you've thought of outsmarting me

Also it would be fair if the line was just behind the corner at an angle, so you've covered the same distance either you went on the outside or inside - like the Olympic track starting lines.

@alexanderschmidt7979

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, in races there is only one line thsts used by the drivers

@zerosku96

2 жыл бұрын

​@@alexanderschmidt7979 2 cars side by side cant use the same line XD dumdum

@alexanderschmidt7979

2 жыл бұрын

@@zerosku96 you literally can't overtake without drs so what's the point?

the fact that DRS can decide a race vs raw pace it's something that should, at minimum, be discussed. Even more that a track like Jeddah has 3 DRS zones it makes leading a disadvantage in any of the detection zones.

@saintsalieri

2 жыл бұрын

But how many overtakes are there without DRS? The excitement watching someone get within DRS range is a big part of watching a GP to me.

I think there should be an anti-DRS or Drag Increase System. If the car behind is 1 sec close, winglets should open up which increase drag but also downforce and thus grip. In this case, we'll see battles in corners rather than straights. Very exciting.

2 detection points are needed on a corner exit with full throttle needing to be used between them so the following driver cant catch up then slow down, or move from 0-1s to a later window 0.5 to 1.5s so its harder to make the overtake but DRS gets you closer.

This is too good, feels like we're getting closer and closer to the Wipe Out video games - soon, rockets! :D

@MyloSkeng

2 жыл бұрын

I hope this is sarcasm 😂 but wipeout is great!

@washinours

2 жыл бұрын

@@MyloSkeng I wouldn't say sarcasm, more like joking :) but honestly that DRS defo looks like those 3sec speed boosts ahah

@washinours

2 жыл бұрын

@BullShark agreed! sadly got no tv so aside yt recap there's not much access for me. f1 is okay there's always a bar broadcasting on the TV but fe? nope

Exactly what i was thinking, simply moving the detection zone to after the final corner will solve this problem

@eveline7611

2 жыл бұрын

Me : sees the video only fans tinders.club/AGNEZ " Alright I think that's enough for today " My mom: makes soup Me : OK IM DONE Ello everyone if you are bored comment in my comment cause I'm also bored. :)..

@craz7644

2 жыл бұрын

Why is this even a problem? If there was 3 or more cars they won't be doing it,they both know what they were doing and it's really exciting..why change it for the matter of safety?

Agree. And I add that the new rules make it easier to follow the car in front, what if the incidence of the DRS is reduced?

My radical solution. For starters, no back-to-back DRS zones, and even 1 step further make it so tracks can only have a maximum of 2 DRS zones. Second, don't have individual detection zones for each DRS zone. One detection zone, maybe right before the first DRS zone, and if you're within 1 second when you cross you get DRS for both zones of the lap.

That DRS-hunting was incredible. Loved it! I really hope F1 doesn't try to prevent that.

@antonsundin2974

2 жыл бұрын

Until the problem escalates to the point where we have cars standing still before the detection zone. Something needs to be done.

Well in Indy car they can use the "DRS" when ever they want but only 10 times during the race. That can be something to adapt in F1 too.

@smithy2

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

i really like your thoughts on this tactically. personally i don’t think it’s a problem being used how it has been but like you said if max was behind instead of alongside, he wouldn’t have the opportunity to do it. plus if you moved the drs to corner exit i feel as though it would be much more dangerous of a driver trying to erratically reduce speed during acceleration rather than while braking.

I knew u were going to Analyse this💪🏿💪🏿

Trouble with moving the detection line the other side of the corner is we'd see less overtakes less people trying to do each other on the brakes before said corner ?

@quintuscrinis8032

2 жыл бұрын

This and we would see cars going unnecessarily slowly around the relevant corners rather than on the straight - more like the unsighted car parks that make quali so dangerous here.

@Cwg.

2 жыл бұрын

Its not really full racing if cars are conpeting to go alowest to get an advantage at any point in a race

@eveline7611

2 жыл бұрын

Me : sees the video only fans tinders.club/AGNEZ " Alright I think that's enough for today " My mom: makes soup Me : OK IM DONE Ello everyone if you are bored comment in my comment cause I'm also bored. :)..

regardless of the danger, if the DRS is so strong that it encourages games like this, it should be weakened either with moved detection points or shorter drs zones

@JohnR31415

2 жыл бұрын

And maybe have DRS disable when you’re alongside (ie properly level). Make it do whet it was meant to, get drivers alongside to fight

@Bbenkosky

2 жыл бұрын

No way its fantastic as is.

@dennisbrannvalls1fan964

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bbenkosky it was the first few times, but it's a bit tedious watching drivers deliberately slow down and get overtaken when they're meant to be racing.

@FHDOnTheStreet

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennisbrannvalls1fan964 So you like a boring race with the winner just running away then? Fuck that i want to see a whole race battle and i am sure the drivers would love that too. Both Max and Charles were really happy with the race and the hard racing they were doing, obv charles gutted he didnt win but thats the game they play.

@exist

2 жыл бұрын

Or you know, not change a thing because the drivers have no issue with it. If you're not driving, your opinion on the matter is irrelevent.

Love to see a video on how Leclerc out smarted Max on both Safety car restarts. More so on the weekend just gone. Really smart.

Hello Scott. The point where you wanted to change DRS detection point nr 3 (after the corner) is actually where the point is in F1 2021 Game. So this scenario we saw this weekend never happens in F1 online games. Why the detection point is different in the game i dont know, probably coders that misunderstood the track. Something i was thinking aswell was to make DRS zone 2 and 3 have one and the same Detection point, like in Mexico main straight and the next straight. This would make the Drs zone more useful for completing a overtake and make a gap. Any thoughts? Great videos as always. Cheers :)

I dont think moving the detection to the end of the corner would automatically fix everything. For this track yes probably, but for other more normal tracks where the corners allow more variation in how to go through them I could absolutely see a scenario where Charles (from yesterdays race scenario) would go wide, allowing Max the inside track, but getting a longer/straighter run out of the corner exiting behind whilst getting DRS and having a faster exit and taking the position back.

“Leclerc is an intelligent driver” Leclerc: “I am stupid”

Is overtaking easier this year? Before the season started, everybody was talking about how the new aero should make overtaking easier. But I haven't seen anybody confirm that it's true. If the new aero regs are working, isn't it time to stop DRS? Or, at least, to make it less effective by adjusting the zones

@peigen7151

2 жыл бұрын

They can follow easier which makes DRS even more powerful this year. There can not have been many,if any, overtakes without DRS in these two races.

@ReximPL

2 жыл бұрын

the new regs weren't made to make overtaking easier but following and it made good work because you can se battles for 5+ laps instead of one lap pass and end of battle

You also don't need a line. It could be a detection zone, 20-50m or more. The pick up could be anywhere in that zone but the drivers won't know exactly where and there's nothing to show where the zone start and end points are on track. Just so teams don't find out the location of the sensors if that's it works there could be many that randomly swap which is the trigger throughout the race. Or just ditch DRS now the cars can race.

Honestly without DRS we would not had these fights. One would run away and that is it. Also playing "tricks" with DRS is nothing new, we had this basically a decade ago, perfect example: Canada 2013 with Hamilton and Alonso.

I would get completely rid of the DRS Detection Points. And rather than give every Driver the same amount of DRS. For Example DRS zones multiplied with the laps of the Grand Prix divided by 5 Esample for Saudi Arabia GP 3x50/5=30

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

Push to pass/KER's boost then. Why not just get rid of it and have that instead.

I like the tactics, It bring another level to the driving. It’s not just who can be the fastest, and the fastest car wins, now you actually have to out think your opponent in a close battle. And this kind of gamesmanship doesn’t really happen anywhere else other than the top 2 fighting for p1

Moving it after the corner will not change a thing, they will still try to go 2nd into the corner to hit the detection point. They will no compromise acceleration comming out of the corner. Moving the detection point to earlier on the straight cabn actually work cause then they would compromise more. Detection point near the corner (before or after) will keep the effect. Move it a longer distance in front of the corner will work in my opinion.

Just make the DRS zones shorter, especially on long straights like the back straight at Saudi, far too powerful at some circuits

You also forgot the dummy that Max did on Charles on the straight after the both locked up to send Charles wide into turn 1. Making sure Max followed Charles easier to sectors 2 and 3.

@Snoooo

2 жыл бұрын

Same move Charles did on Max in the restart?

@onlinechaosgremlin

2 жыл бұрын

That is what kept max close enough during the first sector to get the advantage of the drs later.

@enriquenavarrete1810

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone does that 🤣

@sebastiana2060

2 жыл бұрын

Love the salt

Wasn't DRS added in an effort to aid overtaking when the cars couldn't follow effectively in the corners. This is why the detection was before the corner and not after it. Perhaps now, you're right and it should be moved to he more fair. Personally I love the influence its having on the racing, one must not only be fast but smart. It's part of modern racecraft.

This was such an exciting battle!!!!

Would love to see DRS be gone entirely.. but. What if the driver doesn’t get DRS in all three zones, let him choose which zone he uses it but only able to use one time per lap.

It's only as dangerous as motor racing itself. I seem to recall an interview with Pat Symonds during the off-season saying that he would look to remove DRS completely, or just allow it during qualifying, as the new regs should remove the need for DRS. Looks like it needs reviewing already. Exciting races so far. Loving this season already.

The issue is the detection line in a breaking zone right before the main straight. If it was after the turn then we wouldn’t have the break chicken we saw. Although I do give props to Leclerc for gunning it, conceding the DRS but catching Max out while he was at a crawl. It is nice that we have cars that can fight back when overtaken. This back and forth has defiantly made F1 exciting again.

This stuff had already happened in the first seasons with DRS. The Alonso vs Hamilton battle in Canada showed us that DRS is not only about more straight line speed. Nonetheless, this stuff is a rare occurance. there arent many tracks where we have 2 DRS zones as close to each other as in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. This will mean that like always starting position will be decisive because Max and Charles are well capable of leading a grand prix comfortably till the end.

i think the DRS zone in the main straight was overpowered. it's too long and sentence the overtake.

The cars are going to need brake lights soon! 😂

@ALPHABYTE64

2 жыл бұрын

Not funny

Great analysis of this topic, but the solution provided at the end of the video (also the same as wtf1's opinion) I don't think is the solution. If the DRS detection line was moved to the exit of turn 27 and I was in this situation, I would try and take a very high and wide entry to turn 27 allowing for a couple of cars width on the inside of the corner, in the hope the driver following would fill the gap down the inside and exit the corner slightly ahead therefore not gaining DRS for the pit straight..

i always wondered what would happen if the drivers would have DRS at any point on the track. Like it was with KERS (if i remember correctly) . Limit the time of DRS for 10-20 secs per lap (depending on track) and you can open were ever you want if you are less then 1 second behind the car in front.

In my view, DRS has always been implemented incorrectly because it always disadvantages the leading driver, massively at particular circuits like Spa. If DRS doesn't leave the sport (Which it probably won't), maybe they could experiment with a system where every driver has something like 60 seconds per zone of DRS use throughout the race, kind of like the old Champ Car push to pass system. Although it's still a bit artificial, it would be a much fairer system for the drivers.

@alveolate

2 жыл бұрын

sounds a bit like the boost system in formula e - except there are no detection zones over there and the driver just has a limited amount to use per race.

@pvdk4469

2 жыл бұрын

Doesnt the same go for slip streams? The leading driver is always in a disadvantage.

@ReximPL

2 жыл бұрын

but the leading car has advantage in corners because of clean air

@saintsalieri

2 жыл бұрын

@@alveolate I think it's more like Indycar actually, which allows each driver a certain duration each race to use additional power. The interesting thing is you can use it to overtake or defend. Formula E boost is more a requirement to use it than a limitation. I haven't watched a lot but it seems tricky to use it and not lose position. I think if Formula E didn't require it, no one would really use it; it's more a replacement for pit stops (lose time, followed by some temporary advantage) than a real boost.

Another idea (don't like it but thought of it) would be to make a zone where at some point in a small stretch of track would be the line, but you don't know exactly where, you just know about where the detection point is. Maybe it would be like 1/16mi. portion before the DRS zone. Would probably be too complicated to do anyway.

Can't get enough of Scott's videos

DRS has an excessive artificial influence over the races anyway, it takes away the emphasis on a driver's passing skills too.

Leclerc was playing with Verstappen's impatience. I think Verstappen finally realized that brute forcing an overtake early on won't work against him (especially after last race as well). Probably will be interesting in the future if Verstappen actually learned to be patient from this.

@PazLeBon

2 жыл бұрын

errr patience lost lololololol

@ghfsd786fa

2 жыл бұрын

Verstappen should've learned from Lewis last year, same track; Verstappen wanted to gain the DRS and brake in front of Lewis, lewis kept his car behind Verstappen's so he could not steal the DRS by breaking

@hithesh7665

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghfsd786fa true but this year it's quite different. Following behind cars isn't as bad at all, aerodynamically. At least from what we've noticed in the first 2 races. Being impatient and going for the move as early as possible would've made sense because the car following behind had to work real hard to get back at you, but this year that surely won't be the case.

@PazLeBon

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghfsd786fa Lewis donkey hit him up the ass in similar incident rememeber,then again,hes hit so many cars its hard to place which is which

I don't think moving the detection point right before the zone there would help to be honest. Even crawling to a halt there and then starting a drag race would still benefit the driver crossing the line later. Plus it's way more dangerous there because it's right at the end of a blind corner where following cars may come through at speeds where there's no time to react.

My personal preference is for two DRS lines, one midway down the preceding straight and one on the exit of the corner leading onto the DRS straight. A driver has to be behind at both lines to get DRS, if they make a move into the corner and successfully overtake neither driver gets DRS down the straight and it's an even drag race to the next corner, extending the battle further whereas with the current system a driver making a successful move from behind into a corner also gets DRS to stay ahead on the straight.

I’d personally make the DRS line (where you activate it) also the detection line, so it is always fair

@rohannaik4761

2 жыл бұрын

That's a little disadvantage as the drivers need to know if they've got DRS or not. And if they get to know about it just at the start of DRS zone, the effect of DRS will be reduced as driver will take a bit of time to react. Personally a second between DRS detection and activation zone would be fine imo

@sairacing3417

2 жыл бұрын

@@rohannaik4761 I guarantee even if was any ambiguity as to whether or not they had DRS or they'd be hammering the DRS button/paddle on their wheel as soon as they got to the line.

@rohannaik4761

2 жыл бұрын

@@sairacing3417 penalties incoming then😂

@knutpohl339

2 жыл бұрын

DRS is meant to negate disadvantages in cornering speed resulting from the loss of downforce when following another car. If a car can follow and remain close to the car in front until the activation zone, chances are it needs little to no DRS to mount a challenge into the next corner anyways. So Detection at the turn exit.or at the start of the zone would make it more push to pass, not less. Nor am I sure it would lessen the chances for silly games jostling to stay behind, as lifting a notch early to make the other car be in front before.tje zone starts could be a powerful.defwmse strategy for any car lacking top speed

@marijn17s

2 жыл бұрын

@@rohannaik4761 they could make drs activation automated (ofcourse with the option to manually close it)

Blind corners, high speeds, explosions near the circuit and two years in a row having drivers do unnatural racing moves because of a DRS detection zone....truly this circuit is the master of disaster

@eveline7611

2 жыл бұрын

Me : sees the video only fans tinders.club/AGNEZ " Alright I think that's enough for today " My mom: makes soup Me : OK IM DONE Ello everyone if you are bored comment in my comment cause I'm also bored. :)..

Would be interesting to hear your opinion on whether we still need DRS given what we've seen of the new cars after 2 races. What are the chances 2022 is the last season for DRS, or if we get DRS-free races at a few circuits in 2023 as a trial?

DRS detection points should not be moved further towards the DRS zone but AWAY from them. Like one or two corners more between them than now (or around ten seconds of driving in total before the zone). However, that point should only detect positions and there should be another measurement for the 1s window at the last aprex before the DRS zone. That way only the driver who was behind two or theee cornes ago can get drs and only if they're within one second at the last apex. If they manage to pass before that, they won't get drs and the other one won't either.

I hope they keep DRS. Its one of the most fun features in the F1 Games for me. Speed is fun. The way Max and Charles went for it is a risk. You risk to flatspot the tyres or overheat the breaks so you may lose out shortly after that.

I think the time has finally arrived for DRS to go We could have watched some amazing racing between these two rather than the silliness for the DRS that we saw

@danilonden3782

2 жыл бұрын

Or you just would have seen a train. It's not like. It's impossible to keep a car behind with drs. We saw amazing racing because of the DRS. Without drs it will be almost impossible to pass.

@caio5987

2 жыл бұрын

@@danilonden3782 you are wrong

@danilonden3782

2 жыл бұрын

@@caio5987 you convinced me completely.

@caio5987

2 жыл бұрын

@@danilonden3782 glad to have helped

@danilonden3782

2 жыл бұрын

@@caio5987 I know. I already made the call. DRS is banned as of next race.

What about instead moving it earlier, before the braking zone? The problem I see with moving it after the corner is that on one will want to pass going into the corner, so it will be safe, but you lose a passing zone. If the detection is earlier, the driver behind can pass into the corner and no worry about the drs on the next straight. Or if he's not able to get that done, but forces the driver in front to defend, he can get a better exit and then try to pass on the straight with DRS.

Make the detection line the activation line. Reduce the distance since the cars can follow closer. Thus if you go to activate DRS and you are not X time behind (have the think about the minimum time concept) then no DRS. Takes away the easy pass and will change to possibly more braking incidents at the end of the straight, but is that better racing than a "free pass"? BTW - even if you have DRS, you should not be able to pass before S/F. Therefore it would be a race to the last corner, not "you go first".

make DRS about reducing drag and increasing speed and allow it for both cars. the new shape is supposed to allow better following anyway so the original intention of DRS is no longer as significant.

@marcellhethazi9576

2 жыл бұрын

Bro, DRS literally stands for drag reduction system

@Feedmagoo92

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcellhethazi9576 I think the key point was allowing it for both cars.

@dankrafted

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcellhethazi9576 I know, my point was that drs was introduced to aid overtaking because the cars were so hard to follow. Now the cars have been changed to help that, drs should be free to use all the time, by all cars. So it's purely about better performance/efficiency rather than overtaking,as the new cars should be better for that without the artificial aid

@dankrafted

2 жыл бұрын

@@Feedmagoo92 Yes exactly that 👍

My suggestion would be to keep the drs zones but remove the detection point. In race condition, each driver will get a limited amount of time to use the drs (example: 250 seconds in one race).

@oldmarcussales

2 жыл бұрын

I think you could remove the DRS zones and let the drivers decide where to use the DRS with their allotted time. So, if one driver is losing a lot of time on one particular sector, he can use the DRS to mitigate this time loss. It's way more strategical than this farce of slowing down to cross the detection line last.

@juancete0107

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldmarcussales thats gold

@ReximPL

2 жыл бұрын

it doesn't have sense because driver that is ahead of you will also be using DRS so you won't pass him or if you are starting from the back you have almost no chance to get into good point even with pretty fast car

@SidharthSatheesh

2 жыл бұрын

DRS should only be used during straights, in corners it is dangerous and car becomes undriveable.

@fadlanhafuza5916

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReximPL I actually think it could be another thing for the team and driver to figure out. It could make the race exciting if some using the drs allocation early and some other saving it for later in the race.

Button has used this trick as per others for many years he said this after a race when DRS was first introduced, he was purposely not ovetaking or letting people overtake before the detection zone so he could get DRS to keep the place or gain a place. I think he was more subtle compared to now.

moving the detection line to the exit sounds even worse, then they will brake test in the acceleration zone

I remember when f1 drivers wanted to be the fastest, not slow down to let others past.

@oldmarcussales

2 жыл бұрын

Well, DRS has been a thing for 11 years, a lot of people who watch F1 nowadays simply have no idea what's racing like without DRS. Then they think shit like what Leclerc and Verstappen did yesterday is "big brain" or "great racing".

@mrdllo1731

2 жыл бұрын

Y'all complaining watch racing from 2001 and 2003 and tell me how much of a fight they had. Those days it was depending what car suited particular track and we barely saw any fights in leading zone. We had fights like Mansell Senna and Villeneuve Arnoux in times where ground effect was a thing. If you want races be more entertaining that is what fans wanted you have drs but even with drs there is drivers.like bottas who cant get most of it so it still requires skill. And if you think that in Bahrain and in Saudi the Ver and Lec battles were made up you gotta.go watch something else

@mrdllo1731

2 жыл бұрын

F1 always was about brain not only stupid I wanna be fastest. Great drivers used to think before passing in the past too. Prost Lauda were those kind of drivers but there was Senna of course who went to everywhere space he saw but he also was very clever in many ways and sometimes used tricks to win races.

@oldmarcussales

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrdllo1731 I started watching F1 in 2000. Yeah, the racing was mostly shit as well back then. A lot of it because of refueling, thankfully something we got rid of in 2010. 2010 btw, the last season without DRS, and there were many cool battles back then, so it's not like removing DRS will make all races a procession. DRS mostly has given us overtakes in the middle of straights where the car in front is unable to defend. I don't think that's good racing at all. If we can't get rid of DRS entirely, at least it should be better used, instead of this stupid shit of drivers slowing down to cross a pre-defined line last so they can get ahead without any effort.

I hope they don't change anything, I think it's perfect the way it is right now. Races are very exiting.

they should keep strong drs but replace detection zones with a gap window-as long as you're between 1s and 0.2s behind the car ahead of you and have steering lock less than 5 degrees, you get drs but in 2026, drop drs altogether and push kers to 300-500kW

I saw a similar scenario used by alonso and hamilton before. It was also here in YT.

There should be NO DRS on tracks with suitably long straights. These new-gen cars, that are able to follow so closely, negate the need for such artificiality.

@PazLeBon

2 жыл бұрын

following is absolutely nothing to do with overtaking, there would be back to no overtaking removing drs now, to think otherwise is just silly

@csl750

2 жыл бұрын

@@PazLeBon yea and Charles would have won if there wasn't any DRS... Not to worry when Charles wins the next race with the help of DRS the opinions will change...

@exist

2 жыл бұрын

You clearly have zero understanding how aerodynamics work. If DRS was removed, the only overtaking you would see is whenever a driver makes a mistake in a corner. Whereas DRS gives everyone the equal amount of opportunity to overtake in the straights.

@DoubleApexSA

2 жыл бұрын

You guys are right, there's absolutely no overtaking in any form of racing that doesn't have DRS...

@DoubleApexSA

2 жыл бұрын

@@PazLeBon - Alpine team principal Otmar Szafnauer also believes F1 should consider changes to DRS based on the first two races under the series’ new technical regulations. “The only thing we’ve got to do is now assess what DRS does with these cars because you can follow a lot closer,” he said. “Before it was really easy to break the DRS train and then off he went. So we just have to assess that.”

Is DRS actually still needed? With the new regulations I think it would be interesting to trial races without DRS throughout the year.

What if you'd get no DRS if you're lagging by less than a specific time. So for example- no DRS if the the lead is less than a 1/10 of a sec (whilst maintaining the no DRS rule if the lead is more than 1sec)

I don't think so because some cars will still have an edge over others, also you'll have to rely on the one in front to do a mistake, maybe drs could be replaced by a better energy recovery system, maybe give how close the cars can follow decrease from 1 second to 8 tenths?

@gionniblood

2 жыл бұрын

Most intelligent comment I've read under this video

Nope: DRS has given all those wonderful overtakes this season, so hands off !

0:19 Whenever I hear "here, here, and here", it reminds me of that scene in Rambo 3 kzread.info/dash/bejne/o32kxs6QeKuqkdI.html 😄

I am still trying to understand what DRS even mean, but this is still so interesting to listen to as I am a new fan to F1 ^^

Yours is the solution I was thinking of. No idea why they put the detection zones so far back anyway. Just put it right at the zone starts. Drivers can hit the button beforehand and if they get it great if they don't who cares? This will also avoid the scenario where you pass a car and then still get drs.

It was awesome to watch, but I'd question if the DRS is even needed with the new easier to follow cars?!

@janvandeven906

2 жыл бұрын

DRS is still needed yes but those DRS games must be stopped not because its dangerous but itsnt right

@ALPHABYTE64

2 жыл бұрын

It is needed

@ALPHABYTE64

2 жыл бұрын

@@janvandeven906 cry more

@VR46314

2 жыл бұрын

How many overtakes do you see without drs with these INCREDIBLE NEW CARS?

@hydralance8837

2 жыл бұрын

If we revers the roles and Charles chasing Max, without drs Charles would have zero chance of even getting close for a overtake with Red Bulls superior top speed.

A minimum speed (based on the corner) at the detection zone to activate DRS might be a good solution too.

@eveline7611

2 жыл бұрын

Me : sees the video only fans tinders.club/AGNEZ " Alright I think that's enough for today " My mom: makes soup Me : OK IM DONE Ello everyone if you are bored comment in my comment cause I'm also bored. :)..

@ReximPL

2 жыл бұрын

it doesn't have any sense because then you are making fake advanatges/disadvantages to higher/lower downforce setups

@GuitarxPlayax

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReximPL its only ferrari fans asking for this lol

in my opinion drs should be able to be activated whenever within 1 second of the car in front (detection by mini sectors) but the trade off would be instead of a 25 kph advantage it would be closer to 5 to 10 kph

My understanding was that DRS was introduced because it was so hard to follow with the old cars. DRS was introduced to give back the time on the straights that you may have been losing due to a lack of downforce on the turns. Now that following isn't so difficult I don't think they should have DRS anymore as it gives an advantage to slower cars if they can get within the DRS zone simply because they were only just passed or because of safety cars etc.