The Sportification of Historic Fencing from an Asian Martial Arts Perspective [podcast]

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Today with have a collaboration with ‪@NathanaelTheAussie‬ who runs the Sengoku no Bushido club in Brisbane and we talk about the sportification of Historic fencing from an Asian perspective.
Timestamps:
0:00 - 2:52 Introductions
2:52 - 5:25 Kendo
5:25 - 7:14 Sportification of HEMA tournaments
7:14 - 13:45 Non Martial Asian Sword Arts
13:45 - 17:23 Interpretation of Asian Manuals
17:23 - 23:07 Pressure testing and Equipment
23:07 - 47:31 Tournaments and Rulesets to Prevent Sportification
47:31 - 52:37 Melee and Multiple Opponents
52:37 - 54:29 Living History
54:29 - 1:02:36 Korean Swordsmanship is Fake!
1:02:36 - 1:03:11 Outro
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  • @NathanaelTheAussie
    @NathanaelTheAussie5 ай бұрын

    Always a pleasure to chat, discuss and scheme with you on this stuff, mate. It will certainly be interesting to see how the continuous opening of historical Asian martial arts sparring in steel will contribute to and evolve within the international historical fencing community.

  • @dlatrexswords
    @dlatrexswords5 ай бұрын

    Awesome discussion guys. Covered some great topics here and I think my favorite take away was when you mentioned that “they are playing within their ruleset, whereas we are playing *against all of their rulesets*” and that’s a wonderful point if your intention is to have a genuine martial system. Cross training is so important, and really helps show what techniques are reliable and which ones are fringe.

  • @JustaBug

    @JustaBug

    5 ай бұрын

    It really is. Plus cross training means that the techniques become more defined and start becoming way cooler than those techniques that only work on people doing the same style as you (at least in my opinion)

  • @JustaBug
    @JustaBug5 ай бұрын

    Huge thanks to NateTheAussie for joining me in making this podcast style video. Check out his club if youre in Brisbane sengokubushido1545.wixsite.com/sengokunobushido

  • @NathanaelTheAussie

    @NathanaelTheAussie

    5 ай бұрын

    Cheers mate! This was a great chat to have 😀

  • @HeyyyJude
    @HeyyyJude5 ай бұрын

    42:26 only way I can imagine to get somewhat of a closer feel to reality in competition is to remove protective gear and compete with something that isn't lethal but still causes pain to create a physical reaction to being struck hard. in your example of someone being struck on their forearm so their arm is cut off and they would naturally have a reaction but armor stops that from happening all together. if hit hard enough, they will wince or even stop using that arm immediately from pain which would allow for more natural follow-ups by the fencer who had scored that striking blow initially

  • @JustaBug

    @JustaBug

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes, but I'd rather have friends than the most realistic competition. It's a technical sport and no matter how hard we try to emulate reality, we won't ever get there so I'm ok with it being a game that we play, I'd just like it to be a game that emphasises historically accurate techniques rather than a game for the sake of taking advantage of the game. I'm not one for making people go through pain in historic fencing. The sword doesn't need that much power to cut so training people to bludgeon each other with blunt weapons is far more a modern exercise than a historic one. Plus, I'd rather they have fun and go back out and do their jobs the next day without issues

  • @HeyyyJude

    @HeyyyJude

    5 ай бұрын

    @@JustaBug just like you said it’s impossible to accurately portray/recreate something without the same risks. So in terms of sport, I think what was said is the only viable answer. Who scores a hit at a scoring area without being hit themselves would be considered a point. Once a point is scored, reset the situation. If both persons hit each other at the same time, no point is awarded to either. You reset the situation and if it happens 2 or 3 times, both contestants automatically lose. Have clearly defined target areas and judges trained to recognize those areas being hit. Example: head, wrists, neck/throat, torso. Each should be considered a scoring blow that awards a point and resets the situation. If any other area is hit outside of the scoring blow, the action does not stop and continues as normal (even if in a real situation you would be severely affected. This is for entertainment not for realism). I believe the threat of disqualification/automatically losing when trading blows twice or three times would encourage skillful fencing VS people who simply play the ruleset in their favor/game the system. I think this would strike a happy medium and there’s always room to grow

  • @JustaBug

    @JustaBug

    5 ай бұрын

    @@HeyyyJude I'm quite against striking zones. I think it's takes away from the realism too much and plays into kendo land. I'd rather just accept any hit so that we have more cautious fencers. That being said, if some people enjoy the game with striking zones, so be it. That and everything I've said in the vid

  • @jackmak2980
    @jackmak29804 ай бұрын

    The best martial fencing is done outside of comps

  • @Camo.Enthusiast
    @Camo.Enthusiast5 ай бұрын

    W just a bug video

  • @Camo.Enthusiast

    @Camo.Enthusiast

    5 ай бұрын

    Used to comment this on your videos like a year ago but have since changed my name on here

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