I'm in bondage to opioids please pray for Jesus to Deliver me, I am Desperate

@meadow9166

Жыл бұрын

Father in the name above all names Yeshua ..I ask you..set Sherry free from this opioid addiction. Your will is not bondage but freedom. Open doors..guide her so that she will get the help and support she needs. Give her the strength she needs the determination to over come. Help her Lord! In Yeshua's name. Be strong..cry out to the Lord ..have faith..you can do this.

@FESpecialties

Жыл бұрын

Thy Will Be done! Crucify yourself and submit to Christ! Not your will but Gods will be done in your life! Through submission, true Faith is realized! You will be delivered!

This is such an important topic brother. When I look back on my pre trib days, I’m ashamed to say I was so hard hearted. My attitude was it doesn’t matter Jesus is coming anyway, an attitude that’s rampant in pretribbers🥺 I’m so grateful for your ministry. The Lord opened my eyes and softened my heart to the world He gave His life for 🙏🏽

We need to stand and endure to the end! Amen 🙏

@eswn1816

Жыл бұрын

I find that pre-tribbers don't understand the purpose of suffering... Instead, they turn & twist the scriptures in an attempt to avoid it... Hebrews 5:8: "Jesus, though He was a Son, learned obedience by the things that he suffered..."

Can someone who sees this comment please pray for me? God knows why and I can't pray anymore at this moment but I need prayer in a bad way. Thank you. Many blessings to you.❤

@gregskaggs9593

Жыл бұрын

Just seeing your post…praying for you now.

Their is no easy way out, that's why we are to endure till the return of Christ. ❤️

@jewelsbroun5867

Жыл бұрын

If you follow Jesus into sin and death that will happen, but if you accept Jesus's free gift of the Holy Spirit you will be raptured, and escape all those things to come.... By the way, most of these YT channels are controlled opposition, they want you to be left behind in the Great Tribulation with the rest of the luke warm bible worshipers, and those that took the Mark of the Beast Injections. Why do people nullify Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, to try and become a tortured and martyred bible worshiper, that rejects Jesus with his free gift of the Holy Spirit? WHY?

@stunnedmulletblah9714

Жыл бұрын

They will come to hate us for not believing in it...

Well said. Hard evidence cannot be refuted. I’ve had pastors get upset that I am against Pre-trib. When I get responses that are almost visceral, I have to think they are not sold on pre-trib, or fearful of truth. One pastor ridicule my pre-wrath views in front of others. I’m not the type to argue, or show up anyone. I only said in response, if I’m wrong that’s great , if I’m right, your flock and others will have hard questions , and many will fall away. Well done, Joel. Your burden for this is evident❤

@mytwocents777

Жыл бұрын

I believe there's an agenda behind it being pushed by seminary schools.

@dlove9034

Жыл бұрын

Well done, standing up for the truth. That flock will most definitely be asking questions.

@ww3659

Жыл бұрын

I am so grateful that Joel & Dalton started this series. It was so obvious to me in scripture that I used it as a guage to tell how people really sought after truth. I've moved from "let's agree to disagree" and "hope for the best--plan for the worst" to "YOU ARE TEACHING FALSE DOCTRINE!" No one likes their worldviews challenged, but Jesus is Truth, and lovers of the truth have no problem admitting that they're wrong--they thank the person who corrected their misunderstanding.

@dlove9034

Жыл бұрын

@@ww3659 absolutely man, this is false doctrine indeed

@ww3659

Жыл бұрын

@@dlove9034 It’s strange to see how they get all glossy-eyed, deer-in-the-headlights stare when you point out passages like 2 Thes 2-whether they realize it or not, I think they are deeply petrified of the notion that they may actually have to go through the tribulation. Recently Ps Tom Huges took my 2 Thes 2 question from the chat and tried to answer it on the fly-he stumbled and mumbled his way through it.

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -John 14:6

Thanks Joel, for doing and sharing this research with us. 🙏

I think people read and hear through their preconceptions and fears. I was always taught post-trib rapture, so it has never been difficult to accept the post-trib view. Plus Paul is constantly encouraging people to persevere. The bible shows many instances of people having to endure hardship. They don't magically get taken out of it. I also believe, as you have indicated that we will be guided through those times. I don't think we get through unscathed but that we don't get crushed through it either. It will be like the guys in the furnace when they say - our God will deliver us, but even if He doesn't, we won't serve another god. Maranatha.

@jewelsbroun5867

Жыл бұрын

Why do people nullify Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, to try and become a tortured and martyred bible worshiper that then rejects Jesus and his free gift of the Holy Spirit? WHY?

@houseontherock8345

Жыл бұрын

@@jewelsbroun5867nobody is nullifying his sacrifice. But suffering happens even now. It’s part of life.

@grandpaimtired

Жыл бұрын

Enoch got out. He never died once, who do you think Enoch typifies? Persevere and enduring hardships? yes, Daniel's 70th Week? no. There are plenty of warnings and plenty of passages telling you it will be days of vengeance, wrath, and great tribulation. Paul doesn't tell you you'll be like the guys in the furnace lol he constantly tells you to comfort each other, edify one another, why? God hath not appointed you to wrath but to obtain salvation, whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

@RachelNichols-writer

11 ай бұрын

@@grandpaimtired being raised from the dead IS escape from death. One escape the Bible clearly promises. Just like Jesus Who proceeded us. The First Born of the resurrected. There are a lot of passages about the Resurrection of the Dead in the New Testament. Yet there are so few who mention this glorious promise among believers.

These guys have been attemping to distort the record of history for years now. It's actually quite odd. They act as if the writings of The Early Church Fathers aren't in the public domain and readily available for anyone to read. Most of these early Christian leaders were premillennial. And there lies the confusion. In the minds of many Christians, premillennial is synonymous with pretribulational. Thanks for this study Joel. The Early Church Fathers truly drive the nails into the pre-trib coffin.

@Joel Richardson, I completely trust your teachings. I have been following your channel now for about 6 months. I have been getting caught up with prior videos. I have learned so much from you. Much I already knew but your in depth teaching just confirms what I already suspect. I have to admit that 23 years ago I was caught up (pardon the pun) in the Left Behind agenda. But after graduating from Christ for the Nations in Dallas in 2002, I did a more extensive study on my own with no influences. I just let the Bible prove the Bible. But, man, do you have some deep things for me to ponder. God bless!

💗to truth and all that choose it. Amen God is Love 🙏amen

I did a quick scan of The Shepherd of Hermas and the second and fourth visions are the only passages that even come close to addressing the tribulation--Thanks Joel for outing the hucksters. "And when you have done everything to stand, stand firm."

Good for you for exposing their false doctrine , I've heard them on AFR ( Jan Markel's show ) ,I often wonder how they think they will lead anyone to endure til the end with their nonsense ! Thank you brother

@mas2988

Жыл бұрын

They call us mockers...because we call out the false pre trib rapture 😮

@heknows5418

14 күн бұрын

Then explain how the Bride in Rev 19 is in heaven preparing to return with Christ, if no rapture how and when did the Bride get into heaven?

Yes, The Main Issue To Prepare Believers For Persecution, instead, Not Being Ready, to Suffer for Name of Y'SHUA THE MESSIAH

Worst that can happen is you physically, spiritually & mentally prepare for a pre-wrath rapture & if surprise, you’re blissfully wrong… your unbelieving neighbors will have a stockpile of food, water, bibles & biblical literature ❤

@jewelsbroun5867

Жыл бұрын

Tribulation is everyday life and its a Pre-GREAT TRIBULATION rapture. Besides, why do most people nullify Jesus's sacrifice on the cross to try and become a tortured and martyred bible worshiper, which then rejects Jesus and his free gift of the Holy Spirit? WHY?

@cdye7003

Жыл бұрын

@@jewelsbroun5867 So, you’re essentially a midtrib?

@glasgato5770

Жыл бұрын

No @Jewels Broun is not midtrib, judging by her other replies to comments on this video I would say she's more of a thorn then anything else.

@RachelNichols-writer

11 ай бұрын

@@jewelsbroun5867 strawmanning. Martyrdom does not earn us a place in Heaven. Nor is offering our sinful persons up to God that way a nullification or denial of the Atonement of the perfect Lamb of God. It's a sacrifice of thanksgiving and love. Not atonement. I don't look forward to it at all. But God's will be done.

For what it’s worth, Amir said that post trib/pre wrath believers believers are attacking faith. Praying for him truly. I’ll never understand how they read was past or explain away Jesus saying, “After the tribulation,” in three different gospel accounts.

@JoelRichardson

Жыл бұрын

Exposing lies is "attacking the faith"? Very sad.

This was wonderful, Joel you really do your research and come with facts! I grew up die hard pre trib, learning from FAI and reading the bible myself I no longer believe that, and feel I have the knowledge and strength to endure If I go through the tribulation. I keep seeing pre trib people say the fear going through the tribulation, and then say "then I realized, God doesnt give us a spirit of fear" as if saying God wouldn't do that. I come to find that we dont fear because we know we have eternal life, it doesnt matter what happens in this world. This isnt the end of everything. That statement seems to contradict so much of the bible. Pre trib really is like a cult, its heartbreaking

Praise our Refiner!

Speaking of reality, when has YHWH ever given out free passes? In addition, what about the Spiritual Warfare? Aren't we as believers and followers of Yeshua required to participate in that to the bitter end? The more I think about this pre-tribulation nonsense, the more I get heated over the issue. The understanding that shepherds are leading their flocks toward a cliff is almost unbearable. If they fail on the Tribulation, what else might fail on? 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ ✝️🙏❤️

Don't forget John McArthur and David Jeremiah. They also teach a pre trib rapture. They have taught this for many years. They are wrong of course. I was once in that camp. I guess like most people, I don't like pain and tend to avoid it. The pre trib position sounds so good. It appeals to the senses. Jesus said we would suffer if we follow him. We are supposed to take up our cross and follow him. These messages are sort of glossed over or forgotten these days. We are supposed to endure to the end. I intend to.

At the last trumpet is when we meet in the sky

Very interesting informative and compelling. I believe many will fall away because they will face the Beast and realize they have been wrong teaching this erroneous idea but i don’t believe its “cultic” for there are many good pastors who sincerely believe in the pre-trip rapture

@luciparadise6781

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Pre Tribulation was invented in the 1800s. In my humble opinion, Pre tribulation is backed by fear, pride, and vanity. Revelations is pretty clear about how things will go down.

@mytwocents777

Жыл бұрын

I believe many will lose faith and accept the "mark" when persecution breaks down their doors in the form of the Woke police looking for Bibles and other "religious extremist paraphernalia" and Jesus has not evacuated them beforehand. I am sure no Christian enduring tribulation right now in Nigeria or North Korea is a pretrib rapturist.

@jewelsbroun5867

Жыл бұрын

If you follow Jesus into sin and death that will happen, but if you accept Jesus's free gift of the Holy Spirit you will be raptured, and escape all those things to come.... By the way, most of these YT channels are controlled opposition, they want you to be left behind in the Great Tribulation with the rest of the luke warm bible worshipers, and those that took the Mark of the Beast Injections. So, why do most people nullify Jesus's sacrifice on the cross to try and become a tortured and martyred bible worshiper, which then rejects Jesus and his free gift of the Holy Spirit? WHY?

Thanks Joel so much for your faithfulness in teaching the real TRUTH! I was brought up in the pre trib era as well but the last 2 years the Lord has blessed me with the wonderful teaching from you especially on so many fronts but especially the false teaching of the pre trib rapture. When one take scripture and looks at what is being said it is very plain that it is not pretrib. You are an awesome servant of our Lord and we pray for you often and your wonderful ministry and your wife Amy! Thanks for fighting the good fight of faith. 🙏😊

Bravo! Excellent presentation!

Brother, we live in a time where many are going to be offended by the truth, and those who expose the lies will be deemed as 'mean'. Just remember that we are exposing all of this to glorify God and open the eyes of our brothers and sisters. Even if people get 'offended' by coming to the truth and realizing the lies that they have been taught for generations. Very thankful for you Joel, and all that you do. Maranatha!

@jewelsbroun5867

Жыл бұрын

Why do people nullify Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, to try and become a tortured and martyred bible worshiper that then rejects Jesus and his free gift of the Holy Spirit? WHY?

@eastofmars6413

Жыл бұрын

​@@jewelsbroun5867 no one that I know of is nullifying what Jesus did for us. No where in the bible does it say that christians will not experience tribulation. And that includes the tribulation that happens just before his return.

@rocco9611

Жыл бұрын

​@@jewelsbroun5867 People claim to be followers of Yeshua but when persecution comes they will do whatever they can to save themselves. The Bible is quite clear that the patriarchs, prophets, Yeshua, (Jesus), the apostles and the early church all suffered greatly for their faith and obedience to YAHUAH, (GOD). Even today many Christian believers located in the Middle East, China, the Africa's etc, etc have and are currently suffering greatly. I bring this up because pre tribulation believers today say things like, " Jesus is not going to let his bride get beat up before the wedding." Personally, I believe this is a ridicules argument because we are consistently reminded to remain faithful and to endure, to love our enemies to do good to those who PERSECUTE us for His name sake. So... The question is what make pre tribulation believers think that they are so special that they deserve to escape what others have and some continue to endure? This deserves to be addressed because by not doing so it could potentially add to the great falling away?

@studygodsword5937

Жыл бұрын

@@eastofmars6413 Will this guy believe everything the devil tells him ???

@stunnedmulletblah9714

Жыл бұрын

From what I have read they're going to do a lot more than call us " mean "

Very well said!!

I don't see you as being a jerk at all Joel. You stated the importance of the matter and I agree. Thank you for all you do for the body of Messiah. Truth does matter. I would like to hear some thoughts on how to prepare for what's coming. ❤

Thanks for the references to the Ante Nicene Fathers writings.

Thank you Joel for doing this series. Thanks for your boldness also for calling these teachers out.

PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVE IT JOEL....😊

Good job Joel!

Bless you bless you 🙏

I used to believe pretrib rapture..until I heard a true scriptural study about this through rabbi greg Hershberg from BYI and Getzel and FAI and even David Pawson..thankyou for teaching the truth...Maranatha❤

Thanks for the truth

As a Catholic, I thank you for preaching the truth. God bless you 🙏

I can't like this enough!

@heknows5418

13 күн бұрын

Even though Joel is completely wrong, if there is no pre tribulation rapture then explain in Rev19 the Bride is in heaven preparing to return with Christ , so question how and when did the Bride get to heaven, answer pre tribulation rapture, the word says we the Bride are not appointed unto wrath, so if we have to go thru the wrath of God that makes Jesus a wife beater, how ridiculously is that

I’ve heard Mike Golay say the great falling away is people no longer believing in the pre-trib rapture.

@rivstg13

Жыл бұрын

That would a be a very wrong assumption

@luciparadise6781

Жыл бұрын

@@rivstg13 Exactly ✝️🙏❤️

@bairfreedom

Жыл бұрын

That is just SILLY. Makes no sense

@PeterFour22

Жыл бұрын

No, it will happen due to God prolonging the deferment of the "blessed hope" until they get so fed up they turn away.

@houseontherock8345

Жыл бұрын

Pure manipulation

God has never been shy about His allowance of suffering. Pre-trib doesn't make any sense, when weighed against the lore.

It would not be possible for any of the early church fathers to teach anything other than what the Lord Jesus taught regarding His second coming and the timing of it. I believe most all, if not all teachers of a pre trib rapture theory, knowingly teach a false doctrine. They read the same scriptures anyone does, yet they are determined to explain away the clear teachings of Christ and twist what the apostles taught.

Joel is accurate. Pre-tribbers have mistaken the attitude of immanence displayed by the early church as a proof of their position. “And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly” (Romans 16:20) typifies the attitude of the 1st century Church. As the years wore on some began to doubt, and by the second century Origen’s hyper-allegorizing teachings were increasing in popularity. But remember, Peter taught of Jesus that “ . . heaven must receive (Jesus) until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:20). It seems to me that there must be a gap between the 69th week of Daniel and the 17th, and this week (which has been nearly 2000 years long) allowed for the ingathering of the Gentiles and the rebuilding of a third temple, at which time the Final seven years of Daniels prophecy will resume. One thing is certain… The Preterists are wrong and the Church (as scripture has repeatedly told us) WILL go through the tribulation-

Do you have any teachings on the pre wrath and would love to hear your hybrid version of it because I too have flight difference from traditional pre wrath

The thing that bugs me the most about most pre trib believers is that they LOVE Israel. But then they have no issues with being yanked into heaven whilel Israel goes through their hardest trial ever. They always say thats not for us thats for the Jews. Lots of Americans cant wait for Isreal to build their temple or sacrifice some animals because they know that its a sign that Jesus is closer. But somehow his return has no need for anything prophetic because his return is imminent. I know this comment is a little harsh but i dont know how else to express my feelings on the pre trib teaching. Pre trib teaches that you wont feel any pain. Its like going to the Dr. as a kid and they say the needle wont hurt before they jab you. I can imagine millions of christians falling away because they were taught "this wont hurt". And no! Im not saying i want to go through the tribulation or be a martyr. Im just saying the Bible does not teach a pre tribulation rapture.

@jaimefernandes73

Жыл бұрын

Well, it is called the time of Jacob's trouble for a reason. Well, there's a reason the Bible says 'We are not appointed to God's wrath'--which is poured out during the time of Jacob's trouble. Well, there's a reason the Bible says 'Because thou has kept the word of my patience, I will keep you from the hour of temptation, which is to come upon the WHOLE WORLD'. I could do this all day!..😂 You guys need to Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth, instead of following the opinions of man!

@eastofmars6413

Жыл бұрын

@@jaimefernandes73 Where does the bible say that God's wrath starts at the first seal? If you shew yourself Rev 6:15-17 your told rather plan and clear when God's wrath begins.

@scott596

Жыл бұрын

​@@jaimefernandes73how will Jesus Christ be keeping you from the hour's of temptation ? I thought he has been doing that all along ?

@scott596

Жыл бұрын

The Tribulation is not the Wrath, Jesus Christ Return's in His Wrath ! When Jesus Christ Said Immediately After The Tribulation of those Days, before His Wrath.

@scott596

Жыл бұрын

​@@jaimefernandes73Persecution of Christian's. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppOF0ttpnbvNaLw.html

It's very clear it's last trumpet. Corinthians and revelation. But we do get persecuted. And they say time and times and half time is 7 years , but a day is a 1000 years and a 1000 years is one day, could be the whole 7000 years of earth.

@rocco9611

Жыл бұрын

We are approaching the beginning of the fourteenth heavenly day or the 14000 earthly day which is the Sabbath. Notice that Yahuah only deals with sin following the melliannel reign.

@seanc2788

Жыл бұрын

We are 5,990 years since Adam and Eve fell. When we hit 6,000 that will end the 6th cosmic day. The Millennial Reign will begin and that will be the final 1,000 years of this earth. So that means we are three years away from the rapture and the Tribulation beginning.

Love your heart and passion to get the truth of scripture on this topic, my only comment is the use of the word Liar, I don't believe they are lying in the truest sense of the word being intentionally misleading, I do think they have misinterpreted what they read but honestly believe what they are teaching. Love your work Joel

The mark of God is God's name on your forehead , we need it so we do not get mark of beast. It's obeying the commandments including Saturday sabbath, that is God's mark. Love thy Lord with all your heart mind and soul first and greatest commandment. And love your neighborhood. Walk in Love be kind God is your revenger. God bless everyone who is my brother and sister we are God's children when you need him call Abba and he is there for you. Love you all conquer in fairh

@rocco9611

Жыл бұрын

Much love and Shalom sister, blessings.

@seanc2788

Жыл бұрын

That only applies to the 144,000 Jewish men who give their lives to Christ somewhere between the rapture and the Tribulation beginning.

@rocco9611

Жыл бұрын

​@@seanc2788 Here are two verses in the Bible that refer to a “seal of God” (John 6:27; 2 Timothy 2:19) and these have nothing to do with the 144,000 but everything to do with true believers. Revelation 7:9-14 also talks about a great multitude which no one could number and had come out of the great tribulation, they had washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

@seanc2788

Жыл бұрын

@@rocco9611 Unfortunately John 6:27; 2 Timothy 2:19 are not in Revelation so they don't speak to the End Times. John 6:27- The seal of approval from the Father is his Son. When you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit. All Christians have that. You don't have to do anything special for that to happen. But it doesn't save your hide if you get hit by a bus. 2 Timothy 2:19- reinforces the concept in John 6:27. When you accept Jesus your soul belongs to God. When you die, you go straight to heaven. No longer sitting in Abraham's bosom waiting to be rescued. Again nothing to do with the 7 year Tribulation. Rev 7:9-14: This group is not part of the 144,000 that were sealed in verses 1-8, and they are not part of the church that was raptured in Rev 4:1. They are a group of believers who were saved during the Tribulation and martyred during the last half, 3.5 years, of the Tribulation. The 144,000 is responsible for this great multitude because they are charged with going into all the world and preaching the gospel after the rapture. Think about it. Why would God cause 144,000 Jews to get saved to preach the gospel in all the world, if there are a billion Christians on the planet already. That makes no sense. It's because there are no Christians that this group has to be raised so that God can scoop up another couple billion people after the church is raptured. That's why the Tribulation lasts 7 years, because our God is still loving and merciful and he doesn't want to lose anyone. He gives man another 7 years to repent, but sadly Revelation 16:9 says most refuse to repent. The other give away that this is a different group is the type of robes they are wearing. The church gets fine white linen garment. The martyrs get a victors robe. They are also waving palm leaves, which shows their allegiance to God since they weren't believers before the rapture occurred. Notice that John is looking at this group and they are separate from the 24 elders (who represent the church). So we are all looking at this group of souls, they don't have bodies like those who were raptured (1 Thess 4:17). They are incomplete and they don't get their bodies back until Rev 20:4 when we all come back together.

Joel! Come to Virginia bro!

Can’t say that I agree with some of your other interpretations regarding who the antichrist will be, but, I DO wholeheartedly agree with your stance here. Why would God allow those poor Christians in the early centuries to undergo such HORRIFIC persecution and then let us have a “get out of jail free” card? Does that seem just? God appears to value our suffering and our loyalty to Him. Christ’s words, “take up your cross and follow me”, are a pretty big indication of what He expects of us. I have yet to find a scripture that declares the Christian will be spared from heartbreak, physical suffering or persecution. Golly, all but 2 of his dear disciples died horrible deaths. You’d think if there would be a snatching up of anyone, it would be them, right? No, we are going to deal with heinous evil, but we will be spared the outpouring of God’s wrath, just as Noah and Lot. God repeats his mode of dealing with sin, why would it be any different in the final time before His return? People, don’t be afraid! Be ANGRY! Hate evil, be a warrior! Wear the armor of Christ with valiant hearts knowing that one day soon, you will be called home to be with our Lord forever.🌹

@scott596

Жыл бұрын

Almost all of the apostles were Killed Beheaded Crucified and Burnt Alive, just like the 600 Million Christian's have been Killed Beheaded Crucified and Burnt Alive Ever since Jesus Christ Ascended into the Cloud's of Heaven, and the Christian's continue to be Killed Beheaded Crucified and Burnt Alive today, and the Tribulation of those Days has not started Yet. God Bless you

The truth is in scripture, not with men in big church buildings or on KZread videos. I believe Joel is sincere and correct. We do need to know the truth. I no longer watch pretrib pastors because I'm tired of hearing them say, "You don't have to worry because we won't be here. We'll be out of here before that happens." One pastor during a sermon as he was reading commented, "we can stop right here, we really dont need to continue reading on because we'll be gone before then. It makes me cringe to hear that now because I don't recall anywhere in scripture that says we don't need to worry because won't be here. Instead, we're called to put on the whole armor of God so that we may be able to withstand in the evil day and having done all, to stand (paraphrasing).

I had a pretribber tell me God told him only strong christians will be raptured and the rest will be left behind and their only means of salvation will be beheading. Two people said this. I asked is this a common teaching or did God tell you. He started to think I was someone to watch out for and told me all post trib teachers are either incorrect or serving the devil. I said wow I have been post trib my whole life but have experienced Jesus. I guess we will never know till we experience but it seems so unbiblical unless I am missing something.

@houseontherock8345

Жыл бұрын

Seems pretty judgemental and manipulative on their part no? That’s usually how it goes when they disagree. They can’t bear the thought of suffering and have a high opinion of themselves as if they just don’t deserve it. It takes more strength and faith (same thing I suppose) to keep his name in the face of such persecution as did the early disciples who were murdered.

@rocco9611

Жыл бұрын

I'm very, very cautious when I hear people using the words, "GOD told me" because false prophets are in abundance. They are either willingly or unwillingly tools of Satan's deception. Some narcissistically invoke the name GOD just to try and convince people to accept their particular narrative, you will know them by their fruits.

@seanc2788

Жыл бұрын

I heard a pre-tribber tell me that he believes God will grant you the desire of your heart. If you want to get raptured then you will. If you want to stay behind and see if you can survive, then he will allow you to do that.

@rocco9611

Жыл бұрын

@@seanc2788 That's not scripture based theology, it's someone, (Which there are many) who worships the god they created in their own mind and not the true living Yahuah, (GOD) of the Bible.

@seanc2788

Жыл бұрын

@@rocco9611 There are all kinds of crazy beliefs out there. Everyone has created their own personal theology. We don't have any real Jewish leaders who can interpret Revelation for us like God originally intended. So us Gentiles are out here trying to guesstimate what it is actually going to be like. I sort of like that idea that you can go either way. If you believe in the rapture, then you go in that. If you are hard core and you want to prove your loyalty to God you can try to survive the 7 year Tribulation that will kill 99% of the population on the planet. That is really hard core. But I know there are Alpha's out there that think they can conquer the challenge.

Most people accept Jesus as savior but won't follow him through the great tribulation because they can't imagine that they will be saved from God's wrath! You can save me as long as I don't have to endure to the end! As long as don't have to trust you during the tribulation!

I've heard a lot of Christians say it doesn't really matter when the rapture happens because it isn't salvational, but I disagree with that.

@scott596

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It's a Salvation issue only if the person becomes part of the Falling Away Comes First.

My friend AI saiid there are no historical writers declaring pretrib beyond the 19th century

Satan isn't bothered about our flesh. He knows that's done for anyway. He won that battle. He's concerned for your eternal destiny.

I often ask a simple question about these verses 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 ​ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. I ask where it says we won't see the rise of the antichrist. They will like the post but NEVER answer it. Of course, they can't. How open to deception this makes them. When he comes they won't believe it is him because they are still here. 😢 One well known member of their number said this on his telegram channel today.(A certain person can't be the antichrist as we won't be here when he is revealed). I hate to say it, bit but am increasingly convinced this is a case of tickled ears. No one wants to suffer. But repeating a falsehood will never make it true.

@grandpaimtired

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"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." "Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace," "Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work."

@lepajelena7441

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That makes so much sense. They won’t believe the Antichrist is the Antichrist because they won’t believe they would be here to witness him. That’s a great deception.

I knew this before AI said it though. Been through scriptures many times, never found it.

@jewelsbroun5867

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You Bible Worshipers sound vaccinated and deluded, because Earth is not our home, so what would you be fighting for? Luke 21:36 and Revelation 3:10 applies to those that have the Holy Spirit and is raptured just before the Great Tribulation. Don't play Lucifer's game, and if you didnt vaccinate, make a quick end of it, and leave this plane of existence!

@scott596

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​@@jewelsbroun5867Rapture is when Jesus Christ Said Immediately After The Tribulation of those Days After The Sun is Darkened and the Moon No Longer gives Her Light and the Star's Fall from Heaven and are Rolled up like a Scroll then you will see the Sign of the Son of Man Coming in the Cloud's of Heaven with a Great Shout in the Voice of the Archangel and the Sound of the Trumpet Shofar Sounding and then Jesus Christ Sends His Angel's to Gather His Elect Bride Believer's Saint's Church Brethren Israel from the Uttermost Part of Heaven to the Uttermost Part of the Earth to Meet Him in the Air Cloud's of Heaven to Return with Him for the Wrath of the Lamb Jesus Christ

35:55min.Perfect Joel hate to say it , though you have a fair point. So be fixed in the word & saved. Amen. kdagPlymouthUK

Hibbs is on a campaign to convince the church of pre tribulation. Why? He is on fire with this lately. He even said he is teaching in it because HE didn’t think he would be seeing things these days. Yet he doesn’t realize he may be wrong. He thinks we can fly any day. Nothing has to happen. He even said Israel has the ashes. They don’t to my knowledge. The heifers are not ready yet? He is a faithful pastor but he is wrong too. 😢

@rocco9611

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I follow Jack Hibbs too but I started noticing that he cherry picks the scriptures consistently which allows him to take their meaning out of context. He never use to be this way but ever since he's become somewhat famous he along with Jan Merkell, Amir Tsarfati and many others they all twist scripture to fit their particular beliefs. I always pause video's now and read several verses before and after, I seek the truth and not deception. Eve didn't get a free pass in the garden when Satan deceived her and we won't get one either. Rest assure false teachers will be held accountable for every false word they teach.

@richardcarle786

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I love Hibbs but yes he is wrong as far as I see it.

Have you utilized the Biblical position of the persecution of the saints? The Bible is quite clear that the patriarchs, prophets, Yeshua, (Jesus), the apostles and the early church all suffered greatly for their faith and obedience to YAHUAH, (GOD). Even today many Christian believers located in the Middle East, China, the Africa's etc, etc have and are currently suffering greatly. I bring this up because pre tribulation believers today say things like, " Jesus is not going to let his bride get beat up before the wedding." Personally, I believe this is a ridicules argument because we are consistently reminded to remain faithful and to endure, to love our enemies to do good to those who PERSECUTE us for His name sake. It deserves to be addressed because by not doing so it could potentially add to the great falling away. History has proven that people say one thing but when self preservation kicks in or the preservation of the family unit especially for our children, people will naturally submit to tyranny or oppression. They talk the talk but fail to walk the walk. Look no further that Matthew 10:34-39, Luke 14:25-33 and 1Peter 1: 7 which teaches that as believers we also have to be followers and that we must prepare ourselves both spiritually and mentally for the coming persecution. So... The question is what make pre tribulation believers think that they are so special that they deserve to escape what others have and some continue to endure?

@grandpaimtired

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Back during the Dark Ages, thousands and millions of Christians ranging from all ages were persecuted. Why did they get martyred? Because they refuse to accept the Catholic's "work system" for salvation, they died because they believe it's faith and faith alone. Pre-tribulation doctrine does not teach that you are safe from enduring tribulation or safe from all persecution. Daniel's 70th Week, as Jesus had said many times, are days of vengeance, wrath, and great tribulation. The Lamb himself opens the first seal, and out comes the Antichrist. It is simple, there still will be a post tribulation rapture as seen in scripture at Matthew 24:31, but we believe as Paul had said there will be a rapture before the start/beginning of the end times tribulation for the church. Saved Christians are the only ones that have the holy Spirit indwelling them. Why? We are the body of Christ. During the time period of Daniel's 70th Week we see that salvation is different than the salvation of a saved Christian today -grace by faith in Christ alone and nothing else. Daniel's 70th Week requires both faith and works to endure through, we know that doesn't apply to Christians. We can see many warnings stressing that it will be times of great deception that even the elect will be deceived. I believe there are many evidences that point that God is not a liar, He hath not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation by our saviour Lord Jesus Christ.

@rocco9611

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@@grandpaimtired ​ @imjchnda It's with love and kindness that I respond to your comment, I hope you'll take the time to study it. I'll address work position on the calling away, (Rapture) first. Yeshua never once said HIS followers would endure the wrath of YAH. Nowhere in scripture does it teach that there is more than one calling away, (rapture) its another deception taught by deceived people. That event only happens when Yeshua returns which is referred to as the day of Adonai, (the Lord) Paul never made any claim that there would be a calling away before the Great Tribulation because he would have known what Yeshua taught in Matthew 24. A lot of people twist Pauls words teachings in order to make them fit their own personal beliefs. In 2 Peter 3:14-16 Peter even states that Pauls teachings are difficult to understand but one thing is for certain they have always been inline with Torah and Yeshua because he seen Yeshua throughout the Tanakh. Did Yeshua not tell His apostles to go out and teach all the nations all that He had taught them? Does Yeshua teach anywhere that one part its to be taught to the Jew and another is for the Gentile? The answer is No, all followers are of Yeshua are grafted into one olive tree called Israel. Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 all describe, (The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age) and (The Great Tribulation) followed by (The Coming of the Son of Man). In John 11:23-25 Even Martha knew the resurrection was on the last day. Next let's address what you said about works. Nowhere brother/sister in scripture does it teach that the early church didn't believe in good works. They were taught from the very beginning by hearing the Law of Moses read every Sabbath in the synagogues and by the apostles, as taught in Acts 13:14-16 and Acts15:12-21. In James 2:14-26 James proclaimed the following message and I'll paraphrase for brevity: "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?" " For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." Your statement and I quote, "Daniel's 70th Week requires both faith and works to endure through, we know that doesn't apply to Christians." That is not true, saying a prayer and living ones life without change does not mean a person has salvation. True salvation produces an outward change in those who truly give themselves over to Yahuah. When this happens it naturally produces good works which bear witness to ones salvation. Faith itself is works, love, honesty, compassion, empathy, being a cheerful giver, gratitude etc, etc... all good works as a result of true salvation. Yeshua Himself taught works in the following books. (Matthew 10:37-39; Mark 8:34-38; Luke 9:23-27) Lets look at Matthew... "Then said Yeshua, (Jesus) unto His disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and FOLLOW Me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of His Father with his angels; and then He shall reward every man according to his WORKS. This is the same message in Mark and Luke and works based salvation is present throughout the scriptures. We cannot have one without the other and its James in chapter 2:14-26 who said it best. From everything I just presented I hope you can see that your premise that works based faith is a catholic concept is now made completely nonsensical. Blessings and shalom

@grandpaimtired

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@@rocco9611 Thank you so much for your love and kindness, I truly appreciate your response. You said, "Nowhere in scripture does it teach that there is more than one calling away" 2 Kings 2:11, "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." Gen 5:24, "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." Heb 11:5, "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Acts 1:9-11, "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." ---These are some raptures that have occurred before the end times tribulation. Now for scripture that says there are more than one rapture: 1 Cor 15:22, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." ---This is no doubt talking about a rapture. Rapture for what? 1 Cor 15:21, "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead." ---This verse pertains to the "first resurrection" found in Rev 20. verse 23, "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." verse 24, "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." ---There is an order to this "first resurrection". We can see 3 seperate raptures for this resurrection. 1) "Christ the firstfruits" (OT saints) at Matt 27:50-54, Eph 4:8-12 2) afterward "they that are Christ's" at his coming (Christians) at 1 Cor 15:49-53, 1 Thes 4:13-18 3) then cometh "the end" (Tribulation saints) at Matt 24, Rev 11 also known as: 1) Firstfruits, the first part which you pick when it gets ripe 2) Harvest, the part that ripens later on 3) Gleanings, the part that ripens at the end all three parts are mentioned in Deut 16:16, they are marked by three Jewish feasts, given to the Jews. ---Yes, the bible does talk about a rapture after or sometime in the great tribulation, but the bible also talks about a rapture before the great tribulation. What does that mean? You must rightly divide the raptures. There is a rapture for the Tribulation saints and there is a rapture for the Christian saints. It's like there's a testament for Jews and a testament for Christians; OT and NT.

@grandpaimtired

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@rocco9611 You said, "Does Yeshua teach anywhere that one part its to be taught to the Jew and another is for the Gentile? The answer is No, all followers are of Yeshua are grafted into one olive tree called Israel." ---He does. Mat 10:5-7, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." ---This was a command. Jesus said, "Do not go to the Gentiles, go only to Israel and preach the gospel of the kingdom." Mat 24:45, "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?" ---Many forgot whom the faithful and wise servant is that the Master left to be ruler over his household. Gal 2:9, "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." ---Paul is speaking here and he tells us that, "me and Barnabas should go unto the heathen," meaning Paul and Barnabas should go unto the Gentiles. "And they unto the circumcision," meaning James, Cephas, and John will go unto the Jews. It's clear where Christians get their doctrines from, the Pauline epistles. Our gospel is Paul's gospel. You said, "In John 11:23-25 Even Martha knew the resurrection was on the last day." John 11:23-24, "Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day." ---Martha knew only about the general resurrection and general judgment. Watch Jesus correct her. verse 25, "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" ---There are two resurrections -of the dead and from the dead. Two distinct resurrections separated by 1,000 years. Dan 12:2, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Acts 24:15, "And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust." ---In Rev 11:12, we saw how the "first resurrection" was not completed until the end of the Tribulation, which is where we find ourselves in Rev 20. That is why the Holy Spirit does not say, "This is the first resurrection" until all three parts are concluded.

@grandpaimtired

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@@rocco9611 Gal 2:14, "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" Gal 3:1, "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?" ---Paul is saying to the Galatians, "Jesus Christ died in our place. We are without excuse. Who tricked and bewitched you?" Gal 3:2, "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?" ---How did the Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit in Acts 10? It was through faith. Gal 3:3, "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" ---Paul calls them 'foolish' twice now. He is asking again, in the beginning how did they receive the Holy Spirit, was it by works or by faith? It was by faith, so why did they 'change' all of a sudden? Paul says, if you begun in the Spirit; which is by faith, "are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" meaning now "I'm perfecting my faith with works". ---To say you have 'real faith', when you have 'genuine faith', when you have 'works' is not correct doctrine. Paul says no, if you begun in faith then it ends in faith. It's not genuine faith if you need works to perfect it. James 2:17, "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." ---Keep in mind what Paul said at Gal 3. It seems like the wording here contradicts what Paul said in Gal, we will keep reading on. James 2:18, "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." ---James is insisting that, "my(Jame's) real faith will have works in it." James 2:22, "Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?" ---James is clearly teaching faith and works here for salvation. Paul said in Gal 3:3, if you begin with faith why do you insist the works are there to perfect your faith? That's a plain contradiction. What do we do? We should take the verse as it says. James: 1) James 1:1, James is speaking to the twelve tribes of Israel. 2) James 5:3, it's the great tribulation time period. 3) In conclusion, these are to the Jews in the tribulation; it matches with Rev 14:12, "Here is the patience of the saints(Tribulation saints): here are they that keep the commandments of God (under the law), and the faith of Jesus." Paul: 1) In Gal 3:3, Paul is speaking to Christians to the church today. This has no application to the great tribulation timeline. 2) Gal 3:4, Paul is saying, "all the suffering that you went through was for nothing, 'if it be yet in vain', if we insist that the faith is vain." What is the point of all the suffering that we went through, if what we teach and preach is for nothing? If you truly believe works do count for salvation, then what was the point for all the suffering that the early Christians went through? What was the point for all the bloody martyrs if they did not believe faith for salvation not by works? They were persecuted because they did not agree with the Roman Catholic's salvation plan, their "work" system. Hundreds of years of torture. Jesus Christ said, "don't forget your first love". 3) Gal 3:5, This passage is speaking of a person or preacher, who is responsible for your salvation, who gave you the Holy Spirit, and worketh miracles (apostolic signs) among you; did they do it because of salvation by works or salvation by faith? It was by the hearing of faith not by the works of the law, salvation by faith. I understand what you are trying to say, but there's a fine line between what you mean and what Catholics believe and teach. They believe you will be damned and lose salvation if you don't have works, that is not salvation by grace that individuals today receive, when they become saved. Going back to that point, the end times tribulation period will be a time where works are conditioned for salvation. You must not follow the reign of the Antichrist and you must not take the mark, or else you will be crossing over a line that you cannot come back from. I can see your zeal that you have for the Lord, but I have zeal for right doctrine. It's just not biblical for the Body of Christ to go through Daniel's 70th Week, that has been determined for the nation of Israel until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. It's not biblical for Christians who are saved by grace-by-faith-in-Christ alone, plus nothing, to be put through wrath when God already said He hath not appointed us.

Maybe the “escape” is from the wrath of the holy living God

@scott596

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Jesus Christ is the Wrath, when Jesus Christ Return's in His Wrath ! When Jesus Christ Said Immediately After The Tribulation of those Days. The Tribulation of those Days is Divided Up between Tribulation and then the Wrath of Jesus Christ ! Only question is when does the Tribulation End and the Wrath start ? When Jesus Christ Return's to Gather His Elect Bride Believer's Saint's Church Brethren Israel, then as the Old Testament says The Lord Our God Jesus Christ is Coming in the Cloud's with ALL HIS SAINT'S, NOT SOME OF HIS SAINT'S, All His Saint's, for the Wrath of Jesus Christ

@scott596

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When do you think The Wrath of Jesus Christ Starts ? I think it's in-between the 6th Seal and the 7th Seal ! But when do you think it will be ?

The 144000 are the first fruits redeemed from the earth and they get sealed through the trib so that they are not harmed. Therefore no others can go before them.

How to rebuttal people especially premillennialist Christians who say that we will not go through the tribulation, because that is of Works. They argue that it's Works based salvation instead of Grace if you resist the mark of the beast.

@michellebehr7669

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Then how do they explain the saints in Revelation? God has a sudden change from grace back to works? They have to say works instead of persecution to sell their Left Behind books and movies

@Stephen.Israel

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@@michellebehr7669 that's a good point.

@patriciadavid3197

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There are several ways I answer: one is they say God wouldn’t let Christians go thru that- I say, then why from the Disciples to now they had to endure beatings/stonings/ crucifixtion/ death by govts etc? Two: ALL the verses used for ‘rapture’ Re phrases, ‘The Day of Lord/Son of man coming/That Day (generally the Thessalonians verses & Corinthians) - if you look up all verses, OldT, THE DAY OF THE LORD = Terrible, Wrath, Destruction, vengeance, cruel w/fury & burning anger etc - To me this is not the 3.5 yrs of Great Trib of Beast’s reign, but the WRATH = Bowl Judgments. I think it correlates w/SIXTH SEAL= Sun darkened, moon blood, stars fall etc the Heavens roll up like scroll - abt the time of Jesus’ RETURN, which starts the Day of Lord. I also think Sixth Seal is the SIGN of Jesus’ RETURN. Mainly just read around, for context, those verses so they are clear in your mind & can debate them. & of course ask the Lord for confirmation. Blessings!

@luciparadise6781

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If they expect to be around while the Beast is here and busy, they will most assuredly be experiencing the Tribulation. Those folks are great at missing the obvious.

@mytwocents777

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@@luciparadise6781 We have been in the great tribulation since 67 A.D. The First Antichrist Beast has been here for nearly 1,500 years. The Second (which is also the First) emerged about 250 years ago. The futurist eschatology was devised in 1590 by agents of the First Beast to blind people to this reality.

Christians are divided over this, when the truth is, the rapture, pre or post trib, is not what saves a person, it’s Christ. And his will was for us to be 1 in him.

Could it be all of these biblical historians, that you referenced? Perhaps they did not separate the nation of Israel from the body of Christ, which is the bride of Christ and so the bride of Christ will not go through the tribulation, but the nation of Israel will? And I’m saying this out of curiosity not because I disagree with what you were saying, but because I wish to have a solid answer on the subject.

@kakapkaper4750

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1 Corinthians 12:31 kjv For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Jews believers and the church is one body in Christ and of the same heirs. The marriage supper of the Lamb happens when the new earth is established after Jesus' 2nd coming. Revelation 21:1 Revelation 21:9-10 kjv And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Jerusalem was where the Jews ate the Passovers. New Jerusalem will be the venue for the wedding feast. Luke 22:13-18 kjv And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. 14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. The first resurrection is for the rightheous that means all beleievers including the OT choosen people. The second resurrection is for the wicked and they will be judged according to their deeds/works, Revelation 20:11-15.

@rocco9611

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@@kakapkaper4750 Well said and it shines a light on the lie that believers go to heaven when they die! If they did then who's dead being resurrected at the last day?

@stryker1999

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@@rocco9611 Wherever we go, we go to be with the Lord. It may be Heaven, or it may be somewhere where we wait with Jesus for the Resurrection. But this is what Scripture says on that. II Corinthians 5: 6-8 (NKJV) So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Philippians 1: 21-24 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you. John 14: 2-3 In My Father’s house are many dwellings; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. Luke 23: 42-43 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

@rocco9611

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@@stryker1999 You may want to go back and read 1 Corinthians 15 in its entirety and also, PLEASE REVIEW THESE SCRIPTURES Revelation 6:9-11, Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalm 146:4, Isaiah 38:18-19, John 11:11-13. As for Luke 23:42-43 I know that there is an explanation for grammatical translation based error for this verse, that approach gives us a different meaning, (Yeshua, "Jesus" answered him, “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.) These grammatical are common in many translations of the written word, biblical or not. Even if it wasn't a grammatical we know that Yeshua was not in paradise that day because HE and had not ascended to the FATHER until 3 days later according to, (John 20:17) Maybe Sheol is considered to be paradise because when a believer dies they are completely unaware and the next time they open them they are in the presence of Yeshua, (Jesus). Personally I'm on the fence about the whole thing. I have a hare time believing Yahuah, (GOD) is so sadistic the HE would continuously inflict excruciating mental and physical torture on man as a punishment. I believe The punishment is the second death where the body and soul are forever separated from the grace of Yahuah and cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6, Revelation 21:8 and in Revelation 20:14-15. Luke 12:4-5 and Matthew 10:28. Shalom and blessings

@grandpaimtired

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@@rocco9611 You are onto something there brother, I encourage you to continue studying scripture. There is no such thing as soul sleep. If you are on the fence, that's good -keep on reading and studying.

What do you do with - Christians will not go through the Wrath of GOD..?

@houseontherock8345

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Pretty simple…tribulation is not the same as wrath, even if it’s great. If it was the same thing, than Christians attacked by ISIS were receiving wrath as was those under Nero.

@scott596

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What do you do with the more than 600 Million Christian's that have already been Killed Beheaded Crucified and Burnt Alive for Faith in Jesus Christ and the Word of God and Continue to be so every day every year ? History. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppOF0ttpnbvNaLw.html

They teach rapture so we are not prepared.

Im getting so confused,theres a woman I think her name is Brenda on utube,that says there's many raptures,kinda like if you miss one bus,u catch the next one.???

@luciparadise6781

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Lies. I'd like to see the Bible passages she's twisting to come up with that.

@pattiliba8188

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@@corrinelorne9712 Thanks for your input,I too listened a few times,and read comments that were very praiseworthy of her,but it didn't sit well with me.and it is sad.

If no pre tribulation rapture then how does John see in Rev 19 the Bride in heaven preparing to return to earth with Jesus, no rapture how and when did the Bride get there?

Joel-specific question, please. Are you saying re the narrator (14 minutes in) that he represents the church AND the bride dressed in white like a lady COMING FROM her BRIDAL CHAMBER) BOTH represent the church? He faces the beast, she doesn’t, but you think they are both “the church”? We are not entering a commune, but a kingdom. Some are declared righteous/ready after being refined as gold during this life (Rev 3 Philadelphia bride), some are still mixed/Babylonian/wordly when He comes as a thief in the night & must purify themselves as gold DURING great tribulation (Rev 3 Laodecians) to be declared Luke 12:36 & Revelation 3:20 faithful servants during tribulation, then some (see Zechariah 12) deny Yeshua whom they have pierced until they see Him at the beginning of the last Day (Day of the Lord) gathering the dead/alive now-purified /righteous to the clouds before the 7th trumpet, when the elect (saved in flesh) must reject the mark warned of by the angel before the 5th trumpet & possibly lose their lives to be raised up (Rev 20:3-4) or they enter the kingdom from the nations by the angels gathering the elect from the 4 corners of the earth (Matthew 24), saved in flesh with the Joel 2:28 outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon all flesh. Bottom line? 3 groups (at least): 1. bride (& kids) gets ready/purified & is “kept” from travail/great tribulation as in Shepherd of Hermes chamber (Isaiah 26:20) 2. Barley/Wheat harvest (of which 144k is firstfruits) gets redeemed at the 3rd seal (Rev 6:6) & put in safety in the (Matthew 13) “barn” until the last day rapture 3. Those, esp in Jerusalem who deny Yeshua & have to face/refuse the mark & beast worship (Rev 13) & die will be raised to life (Rev 20:3-4) & those who see Him who they pierced (Zechariah 12) & repent will be saved in flesh, brought through the fire of tribulation, refined as gold (Zechariah 13:8) Shalom shalom! Each of us often knows & speaks of our own destiny, don’t forget others may have different callings/positions in the kingdom like Esther vs Mordecai, Elijah vs Elisha. In the first paragraph of Enoch 1, we are told that the book was written for the 2 groups, the RIGHTEOUS (some translations say holy) & ELECT living in the last days when the wicked & godless are removed from the earth. Read it!

@rocco9611

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People claim to be followers of Yeshua but when persecution comes they will do whatever they can to save themselves. The Bible is quite clear that the patriarchs, prophets, Yeshua, (Jesus), the apostles and the early church all suffered greatly for their faith and obedience to YAHUAH, (GOD). Even today many Christian believers located in the Middle East, China, the Africa's etc, etc have and are currently suffering greatly even death for their belief in Yeshua. I bring this up because you pre tribulation believers say things like, " Jesus is not going to let his bride get beat up before the wedding." Personally, I believe this is a ridicules argument because we are consistently reminded to remain faithful, persevere and to endure, to love our enemies to do good to those who PERSECUTE us for His name sake. So... The question is what make you pre tribulation believers think that you are so special that you deserve to escape what others have and some continue to endure? This deserves to be addressed because by not doing so it could potentially add to the great apostasy, (falling away)?

@Islandgirl4444

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@@rocco9611 I’m not a pre-tribulation believer, please read again above. Bride & kids are Philadelphia, Rev 3:10 “kept from the hour of testing”, Laodecia is not ready, is spewed out & chastened/refined during tribulation (Rev 3) & the elect are described in Zechariah 13:8 saved in flesh after the 6th trumpet resurrection/Rapture has happened & those have been glorified… I would also challenge you to find 2 scriptural witnesses of 7 years of great tribulation (or 3.5) & try to match it to Jacob’s trouble in Jeremiah 30. The whole straw man argument of pre vs post goes away when you realize how fast/suddenly this will all take place - think Noah & Lot, shalom!

@rocco9611

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@@Islandgirl4444 First off Jacob’s trouble in Jeremiah 30 is a shadow of Yeshua's return and Yeshua HIMSELF said this in: Matthew 24: 21-22 21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matthew 24: 29-31 29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Look at the correlation between Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 6: 9-17, (5th and 6th Seals)? These chapters and verses use the same language to describe the same event, the calling away or rapture. Now look at 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 1 Corinthians 15:50 all these scripture use the same language to describe the same event and its timing which follows the tribulation period. I think you need to go back and re-read Revelation 3 because you cherry picked one small part of the scripture to fit your narrative and completely ignored these statements, "for you have a little strength" and "Because you have kept My command to persevere" What command did they preserve? Why are we constantly warned throughout scripture to endure, persevere, and overcome trials, tribulations, sufferings etc, etc? The Bible is quite clear that the patriarchs, prophets, Yeshua, (Jesus), the apostles and the early church all suffered greatly for their faith and obedience to YAHUAH, (GOD). Even today many Christian believers located in the Middle East, China, the Africa's etc, etc have and are currently suffering greatly. The question is what make you think that you are so special that you deserve to escape what so many others have had and some continue to have to endure? Sorry, but I find your entire argument to be purely conjecture and not biblical.

So what does The Elect mean?

Pretrib claims, 👉1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is the rapture of the church :) so let's see what the Bible says in verse 16, mkayy.... 1 Thessalonians 4:16 kjv For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: So how can they reconcile 👉1 Thessalonians 4:16👈.... 👉with the words of Jesus when he said that "He will resurrect Lazarus at the last day"? John 11:23-24 kjv Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto Him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. none of the pretribs can honestly answer when is the last day :) They don't even consider that Lazarus is "dead in Christ" lols. John 6:39-40 kjv And this is the Father"s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasthing life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

@kakapkaper4750

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@@MrThatWatchman No such thing as tribulation saints nor pretrib saints. The saints are the believers of Christ, Jews and Gentiles ........... 1 Corinthians 12:13 (kjv) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. You obviously don't understand what Biblical tribulation meant.. it means, when you are afflicted because of your faith and for that you will be in prison or beaten up to death just like what happened to the 12 apostles of Jesus.

@jewelsbroun5867

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@kakapkaper4750

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@@jewelsbroun5867 i got 3 accounts :) and this one is my good boy account, lols.

@kakapkaper4750

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@@MrThatWatchman so when is the last day spoken of by John? is Lazarus considered "Dead in Christ"??

@luciparadise6781

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@@kakapkaper4750 Most certainly. He was a follower of Yeshua but is now dead and awaiting his resurrection and assent to Heaven.

Jesus said for us to preach the gospel and make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15), not to quibble about a pre-trib or post-trib rapture. No wonder the Church is in the condition it is today!!!

@houseontherock8345

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When you understand the importance of it, it changes your view. It’s important that we discuss these issues and prepare our hearts, but there really is one side that resorts to attacks. It’s mostly the pre-trib side. I agree we shouldn’t fight, but we do need to talk about it. The early church spoke on the issue and there’s a belief out their that is contradicting it and it’s dangerous.

Pretrib or not..that isn't what determines if we go to Heaven. Either way, the saved will go to Heaven.

@rocco9611

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Followers of Yeshua will get caught up to a heaven but that doesn't mean we go to live with Yahuah in HIS kingdom. We return to the earth for the millennial reign according the scripture.

The notes for this video are for the last video, video 16

I look to Exodus for the biblical pattern. The Israelites remained in Egypt (Goshen) when the Pharaoh that enslaved them. The exodus happened AFTER the 10 plagues what is remembered during Pesach. That was tribulation and serves as a biblical pattern for all tribulations that followed including in Revelation. Getting chased to the edge of the Red Sea then through it by the mighty hand of Adonai is a pattern of "rapture" in a sense (although not complete)

They'll need to accept the consequences for knowingly playing on people's hopes & emotions. It's a shame that so many choose to blindly be as gullible & desperate as they are. I think it may be that they don't feel that they can endure in their faith lasting to the end.

Pre trib doctrine IS a salvation issue. Those who believe it will fall away quickly if alive when the 42 month tribulation of the saints starts

What I find strange is that the early church fathers faced the persecution of nero, Claudius, and Dioclecian then believed in the escape of the anti christ persecution by rapture

What is the purpose of the Bride of CHRIST, His Church, His Body nearly getting beat to death Before the Wedding?

@houseontherock8345

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If that’s the case then he needs to apologize to the church under Nero and our family attacked by ISIS. I don’t say this meaning he actually needs to, but to make a point. In 3 separate gospels, Jesus said after the tribulation. Besides, I myself have been beet up a lot in and by life. The purpose of the church is to minister to and declare the kingdom even amidst suffering.

@dustinnoel8371

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Are brothers and sisters in Christ, that live in Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries that are persecuted and killed even as I type this right now part of the bride of Christ? If so, then why are they dying for their belief in Christ? What makes you so special or anyone in America (where mainly pretribbers are, not many other countries even believe in that) so special that you get raptured out of here but all these other people are dying right now because of their belief in Christ? If they are the body of Christ also, which they should be, why are they being beaten up and killed? Maybe start thinking about that instead of believing the lie of the pre trib rapture.

@Littleangel_-jp4xb

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Purification comes through fire. you are thinking in the flesh. No flesh will enter the kingdom of God. We will have glorified bodies before we even meet Him. There are believers who have died horrific deaths. What would you say about those people? Are they not worthy in your eyes? The great tribulation is Satan's war on the saints. It wouldn't be the first time someone has been persecuted and killed for their faith.

@houseontherock8345

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@@dustinnoel8371lease pray for us in America. Many will either be caught unaware at what happens in Israel during the tribulation or we’re gonna get hit hard and unprepared in hearts shall the some trouble happens here.

@scott596

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​@@Littleangel_-jp4xb Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. However We will be Changed Transformed into Eternal Physical Body of Flesh Bone and Spirit Forever to be with the Lord Our God Jesus Christ, as Jesus Christ Said when you see Him as He is you will be like Him. Eternal Physical Body of Flesh Bone and Spirit Forever.

If we are supposed to get raptured out BEFORE the great tribulation, then who is going to get tribulated lol

@seanc2788

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The people group who rejected Jesus the first time he came around.

@scott596

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Rapture Gathering Up together with the Dead in Christ is when Jesus Christ Said Immediately After The Tribulation of those Days before the Wrath of Jesus Christ

Unfortunately for a lot of Pre-trib celebrity Pastors Teachers are heavily invested in their teaching. $$$

I wonder what they will do when the pre trib rapture doesn't happen 🤔 what will they say then ???

Though I commented earlier, it might be useful to consider this issue from another direction. The "pre-trib rapture is a RESURRECTION. Every one is familiar with the famous verses in 1 Thessalonians 4 where we meet our Lord and loved ones in the air in our resurrected bodies. There are (as far as I know) only two general resurrections, the first at Christ's coming (Revelation 20:4-6) and the second in Revelation 20:12, 13. Adding a secret THIRD resurrection annihilates Christianity's core doctrines as we have known and taught them for 2000 years. Certainly one of Joel's concerns is the potential sense of betrayal and abandonment felt by pre-tribbers when they face persecution and the Antichrist after being told repeatedly they would not. . “But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.” (John 16:4) Wanting to escape persecution is very NATURAL. But the scripture is replete with warnings that we will not. Remember too that we cannot triumph by mere human will and resolve, but are “... kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1:5)

@grandpaimtired

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1. Resurrection of the widow's son in Zarepath? 2. The Shumite's son? 3. Man thrown into Elisha's grave? 4. Jairus' daughter? 5. Young man at Nain? 6. Lazarus? 7. Christ himself? 8. Tabitha? 9. Eutychus? 10. Two Witnesses? Also if those that hold onto the pretribulation rapture doctrine "ends up" being in Daniel's 70th Week, why do you think we would be so bitter after knowing what we know to run and accept the Antichrist? You do know and understand that salvation during Daniel's 70th Week is not the same as the age of grace we are in right? If anyone follows the rule of the Antichrist or take the mark, it doesn't matter if you are saved or unsaved, you go to hell. It's not about escapism, it's not a cop-out, it's not about suffering less. It's just impossible if we are the body of Christ? Eph 5:30, "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." ---God hath not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation by our saviour Lord Jesus Christ. God is not going to put parts, chunks, or any part of the body of his beloved Son in hell again -Christ Lord already went through hell once. We are to obtain salvation by Christ, our gathering and catching up to Jesus Christ.

@Steblu74

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@@grandpaimtired Thanks for the comment brother! Remember I said there are only two "general elections". I am so thankful for the truth of God's ability to raise the dead, for one day that number will include us! And I appreciate your listing of specific accounts of this power. Here are my answers to you: You said "You do know and understand that salvation during Daniel's 70th Week is not the same as the age of grace we are in right?" You are presupposing that your understanding is correct. Do you know what I mean? I was pre-trib for years and am familiar with the "end of the age of grace" premise that characterizes dispensationalism. I just don't believe that God's grace is removed in the 70th Week. Remember, a "vast multitude no man could number" (Rev 7:9) are saved during these times . . without the grace of God and the Holy Spirit which was removed with the Church? I can't see how this could be. You said: "I anyone follows the rule of the Antichrist or take the mark, it doesn't matter if you are saved or unsaved, you go to hell." I would phrase that differently. The text says that "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names were not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev 13:8), meaning that the Elect, the Saints will NOT take it. We often don't know who the Elect are, but God does, and keeps them by His own power. I agree with you that it's "impossible if we are the body of Christ". And on a final level it really doesn't matter what anyone's position is here, as this is not a matter of salvation, but of rightly dividing the Word. If the pre-tribbers are right, the post-tribbers will be raptured at the same time, and if the post-tribbers are right, they will be here teaching believers during the tribulation that Jesus didn't fail them at all, everything is falling out just as the Lord has said. God bless you friend-

@grandpaimtired

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@@Steblu74 "You do know and understand that salvation during Daniel's 70th Week is not the same as the age of grace we are in right?" ---Doesn't imply that one cannot come to salvation during that time period. Those lost sinners will experience the grace and long suffering of God when they cry out His name. What I am saying is that they are not saved by grace-by-faith-in-Christ, alone as individuals today. We know for a fact that those that came out of Tribulation, are saved by both faith and works. Again, that's not the same as Christians today in the age of grace. The body of Christ are the only ones that the holy Spirit indwells. We can see that it is a different story or situation, for those that come to salvation on earth during the end times tribulation time period. Rev 13:8, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." ---Who will this apply to? verse 7, "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." ---This is for Tribulation saints; nation of Israel and Gentiles. Mat 24:24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." ---Again, your statement, "meaning that the Elect, the Saints will NOT take it." is not true. "If the pre-tribbers are right, the post-tribbers will be raptured at the same time, and if the post-tribbers are right, they will be here teaching believers during the tribulation that Jesus didn't fail them at all" ---This is why communication is difficult. You do not understand the consequences of teaching "the Body of Christ must go through Daniel's 70th Week." You think if you are wrong, then it's all good. But woe unto us if we are wrong -we will be damned. That's not the point, you are causing fear amongst the brethren and you are teaching Christians to look away from Christ -to look for the Antichrist. You are teaching saved Christians to ignore the finished works of Christ at Calvary, God is made a liar, and they can potentially lose the easiest reward -crown of righteousness. May God bless you too!

@Steblu74

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@@grandpaimtired Oh my! You’ve totally misunderstood me. But that’s OK, I can see you have a heart for God

The Shepherd od Hermas has problems, such as a misunderstanding of the nature of Christ, that baptism is necessary for salvation including concern regarding sins committed after baptism, it refers to the Holy Spirit as the Son of God. Will we then take a cue from such writers regarding the rapture or anything else?

Joel--hope you're still reading comments. Ran across Ps Jack Hibbs' recent podcasts and frankly have lost a lot of respect for him. He's putting out these weird ideas like there are various classes of saints based on the clothing they get (e.g., white robe vs. fine linen), and that Post-tribbers are just prideful and it takes more faith to be a Pre-tribber, etc. Beyond that, some of his off-the-cuff remarks are simply meanspirited, which is more of a reflection on his heart. Honestly, my spidey sense tells me you can only reject the truth for so long before God gives you over to a debased mind. Just wanted to give you a heads-up and maybe you could address in a future episode.

@grandpaimtired

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Weird? Mean spirited? Spidey senses? Sorry man, if you have a problem with that then you will probably have a hard time reading your Bible. That terrifying Book will knock the spidey senses out of you.

Joel, here is something i noticed in my own study and would like your opinion on. Romans 11:25 “25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” Since all Israel can’t be saved until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, the appearance of “tribulation saints” begs the question; Did God not consider them as accepting His call before “pre-trib” rapturing the church? I have been in discussions with a Pastor friend who sticks to the “tribulation saints” point of view. I also asked him about, Rev 5:3 and why the angel looked …under the earth…for someone worthy. I believe this refers to those still in the grave and if so…according to pre-trib…should already be in heaven.

@houseontherock8345

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I’ll answer a little here. There is no place in scripture where the phrase “tribulation saints” occurs. It’s literally a made up term.

@scott596

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When does Jesus Christ Return ? When the Tribe's of Israel Repent and Call upon the Name of the Holy Messiah Yeshua Hamashiac Jesus Christ and then they shall look upon Him whom they Pierced and be Saved through Faith in Jesus Christ and the Word of God

Obviously the pre trib theory is preferable, but its important to be realistic. Also cant help feeling abit sore about christians that get to pass in relative peace now.

Do you agree with Kent hovind that we are in the beginning of the tribulation right now?

@cdye7003

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It feels like we’re in the first 2 seals & the 3rd is steadily approaching, but this could also be “Braxton hicks” rather than the beginning of birthing pains simply because the signing of the covenant between the antichrist & Israel hasn’t taken place (as far as I’m aware) yet… I think once it does & the first seal is truly opened, it will be closer to the effect of world war 3 along with major food shortages & an increase in false prophets like never before, and then the pestilence will come. Just thoughts & feelings of course. I hope this is the beginning though. ❤

@houseontherock8345

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We might be. It’s hard to say because the early part of the Olivet discourse is fairly vague. The definitive sign in my opinion is the emergence of a third temple with sacrifices being performed. And even more definitive is the abomination of desolation being set up there. Right now there many wars and rumors of wars specifically in the Bible lands.

@Stephen.Israel

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@@houseontherock8345 I agree with your viewpoint. They already have red heifers in Israel, and the zionists said that they plan on sacrificing the red heifer in April or June of 2024. Do you think that will be the sign that we should look out for? Or could always just be a false sign as Satan counterfeits things in the Bible.

@houseontherock8345

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@@Stephen.IsraelWell, Sacrifices don’t have to start with the red heifer right? However, I know that sacrifices will signify 2300 days until the temple is cleansed and it’s not quite seven years. The tribulation could start a bit earlier as in this fall…maybe. I also see Daniel 8 as being potentially all future. So we’d see Turkey attack Iran in that scenario…again maybe. But if that officially starts next spring than I’d say yes for sure it’s a sign. I’d be all about it if that’s the case.

@scott596

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Birth Pangs still

Hmmmm.... lying in my view is intentional in nature...Misleading can be non intentional on the part of an otherwise orthodox Christian. I get very upset if people call me a liar... especially as I sincerely am not given to lying. If I have a blindspot...If I am in error on the rapture...You might call me Misleading. That is much more likely to be correct of an unintended and mistaken view.

Chosen by God for eternal life...interesting! Thought we saved ourselves by "excepting Jesus".🤔

There's avoiding your emails because they scurred

The Apostle Paul went around preaching about the Resurrection. Not the "Rapture." A good thing since all those people died. Death is not the end for Christians.

“the great persecution” is incorrect, its “the great tribulation”.

No Man of God in Scripture ever said nor taught that Jesus is Coming back again before the Tribulation! But we do read of False Prophets Deceiving people by saying that Jesus has Come before the Tribulation as well as during the Tribulation and Jesus makes it Clear! Do not believe them and do not follow after them as the Christ they speak of is False Christs who will come to deceive many before the Real Christs Post Tribulation Coming! Pretty simple really! Lets believe the Men of God in Scripture not the False Prophets!

Why do you think people want to preach the erroneous teaching, especially concerning rapture?

Thank you Joel. Appreciate your heart for the Church. But, your arguments seem to indicate that all the saints who died over the last 2,000 years won’t be in heaven because the were not purified by the fires of the Great Tribulation. That cannot be true. We also know that when God, in the past, when showing his wrath as with Noah and Lot, removed his people from harm prior to His wrath. The Angel even said to Lot, “ we can do nothing until you are gone”. And thanks for having the courage to allow comments. Maranatha!

Once again, the pre tribulation rapture theory hinges on this apparent secret coming of Christ in the air. There is NO such thing. If you get over that hurdle, you cannot believe in any rapture theory that does not abide by what Christ taught of His second coming and the when of it.

White meat or dark meat ?

I'm so grossed out by the blatant deception. I can't even stomach listening to some of those teachers anymore.

While I am not a Christian who subscribes to a belief in a pre-trib rapture, I do not think for one second that believing in a pre-trib rapture keeps you out of heaven. It's speculative at best. It has zero to do with whether or not you go to heaven when you die. Believing in in a pretribulation rapture, while not biblically supported only results in people finding out that it's not going to happen that way. None of us know exactly how it will play out anyway. Maybe you think you know the events of the end times, but know one knows what that will look like in the spirit realm. It's just not a make or break belief. Sooner of later everyone will know and see they are not "raptured" out of the tribulation. The best thing anyone can and should do is to stay as close to Jesus as we possible can.

@rocco9611

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So the question is this: What is the dangers of believing in a pre tribulation rapture opposed to believing in a post tribulation rapture? Believing in a post tribulation rapture means believers are preparing themselves both spiritually and mentally for the coming persecution and even possibly the death of themselves and their young family members. Can the same be said for the pre tribulation rapture believers? I think not because they are focused on escaping and not perseverance which is taught consistently in scripture.

@seanc2788

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I think you have some wisdom here. I would go further to say that the rapture has nothing to do with redeeming your spiritual life. Jesus did that at the cross of Calvary. The minute you believe and trust in him you are spiritually saved. The rapture has everything to do with redeeming your physical life. 1 Thess 4:16 says the bodies (not spirits) will come out of the graves. They get reconnected with the spiritual being that is currently in heaven. Then 1 Thess 4:17 says those who are alive (body and spirit) will be transformed to meet the previous group in the air. So when you actually study the Bible, the word of God tells us that the rapture is all about redeeming your physical body. Jesus already took care of your spirit at the cross. I wish more Christians would understand this concept better and that might help to explain the purpose of the rapture, and also the purpose of the Tribulation.