I want to be clear I'm not undermining anyone else's work. I wanted to put this video out there because I often see far too many times someone will watch or read 1 review which will show product X is faster than product Y and declare that as a definitive WIN. But looking around at other reviews with different testing methodologies, will have a different conclusion.

@pf100andahalf

8 ай бұрын

@DannyzReviews Anyone who takes your video the wrong way needs to re-evaluate what they're doing. You made perfect sense.

@NGreedia

8 ай бұрын

LTT has fall down the list of trustable sources for proper benchmarks and tests. It’s best to look at a wider variety of sources before making a decision

I love comparing my tuned/OC'd parts to the stock benchmarks and there's so much free performance left on the table. Super happy with my 14700K at 5.7P/5.0R/4.4E, water cooled 3080 12G and tuned DDR5 7000C32

@eggsdooley

8 ай бұрын

I undervolted all cores -10 and then got scared and changed it back only to never open bios again. I don’t belong there.

@oscar21781

8 ай бұрын

@@eggsdooley its really daunting at first but looking up guides or asking questions in forums can usually get you going. It's really time consuming to achieve stability so it might not be worth it to a lot of people.

@jjlw2378

8 ай бұрын

​@eggsdooley It does take time to learn but don't be afraid. Take it slow at first and don't worry about breaking things. The BIOS can always be reset and there are alot of safety measures put in place to prevent you from hurting anything. Try to have fun with it and enjoy yourself. PCs are meant to be tuned! A PC with "out of the box" settings is a just a more expensive console and consoles suck.

@eggsdooley

8 ай бұрын

I’m finishing my install of entirely unnecessary Noctua AF14 3000rpm case fans today (that I will no doubt run at less than 50% all the time!) and then I’m thinking of putting a 420mm rad in the front and then I will try some bios-y business. It’s all not needed tho, my setup works fine. Just want to practice building and learning!

I understand that some people (majority) rely on the ‘out of the box’ settings from reviewers as they know the minimum performance they can expect out of their hardware by the manufacturer. I also understand that some people (minority) want to tap into the best performance out of their system they can get and will tweak their settings in bios/software accordingly. However, ‘out of the box’ settings tell you what to expect regardless of the situation ….. whereas tweaking your pc is dependant upon your knowledge, how far you’re willing to push your pc hardware and the silicon quality has soooo many variables affecting what performance it can potentially provide. I personally tweak some things on the cpu and GPU front minimally for quick and easy performance gain and not put in the hours / days to gain the extra few percentage points of performance and hyper tweak my pc to within an inch of its life. Having a baseline of the product lets you know what you’re minimally going to achieve and imo is a valid thing.

Yet another good video. Thanks for sharing. I love this kind of videos with personal take on subjects.

The biggest change in performance for me was turning of Core Isolation in Win 11. Sure my system is now a bit less secure, but it does make a difference in gaming performance.

very useful information! You should have 100k subs by this point!

Great video Danny

i undervolt mine, whats the lowest power consumption while being almost the same performance is the best for me

HUB benchmarked at 3Ghz ring and I tried running Pubg with that, it sucked. It gave the feeling of playing against 100ms players. Put it back to 4.5Ghz and it was playing on a 40ms ping server again(ofc ping stayed the same). Arcitecture internal delays is way outside what even HUB guys tests and they even need Buildzoid to get 7200Mhz tuned ram setup to work. HUB is making so many wierd desicions now just to stay relewant with their huge outdated benchmark routine. Atleast they are transparant with it but its not enough when 90% of their audience dont understand what ring speed even is. They just go around saying the Intel processors suck when infact they still can be better. To top it all off all the benchmarks of the new 14th gen had no overclocking segments even though its an K part. They just dont have the skill to tune all the voltages involves now to get it working in time for when a review have to be published.

@NatrajChaturvedi

8 ай бұрын

One problem with channels like the Hub and Gamers Nexus is that you can tell that they are not actual gamers themselves. So they don't always test appropriately. That is why, I especially never even touch videos from such guys talking about something like the optimization of some new game or any topic like that. They are just doing it for the clicks, having very little clue of what they are talking about from an experience point of view at least.

@Treeck57

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is why I no longer watch HUB and GN for benchmarks. I just do test and research my own. They're also trying to make AMD looks good on the benchmarks. You'd think people will buy AMD by look at their benchmarks, however some people do absolutely know NOTHING about GPU, CPU, RAM, and etc as if they build their own gaming PC for the first time and expect the same numbers from their benchmarks compared to the HUB/GN benchmarks. I don't think the numbers would matched exactly.

i just discovered your channel & you're so right about people not wanting to get into game settings anymore & optimizing it themselves. also, you should start game optimizing videos like hardware unboxed. i think that'll be great!

If a tech tuber runs an automated bench run they are doing it wrong, u should always run it yourself and more than 30sec. For instance when it comes to mp games u will have to run several runs, to get to know how low the fps can go during and how the system perform on avg in a normal session. When u run at high fps either because of low settings at low res and/or with high end cpu/ram with tweaked settings u will always experience more uneven fps perf so to speak. for instance if you look at the sky or similar(ie a scene in the game where the game system is not gpu bound) and then when u look down or the scene becomes more gpu bound because of stuff happening on the screen the fps can be very high and feel like a stutter. Anyway remember that gn uses 12700k with 6000xmp sticks for the gpu benchmarks, ie they limit the perf of the high end nvidia gpus compared to amd ones. Hardware unboxed are better as when they do cpu comparisons they use 7200mt/s but yeah.. they are also not that great when they do more indepth testing like ddr4 vs ddr5 or when they tested the ipc of 12, 13 and 13 gen as they gimped the cpus with 3ghz ringbus instead of letting it go to at least 4.5ghz which all lga1700 "k-skus" can hit with ease.

Thanks for the advice. Another thing reviewers don’t often do is test games on an a ultra wide monitor. I use a 34”, 3440x1440p monitor. For the immersion. 🙂

Do reviewers not include details of their hardware status and test settings? Or is this video for folks who are new to PC gaming? Please enlighten me, because I feel I'm missing the point of this video.

I see many benchmarks of cpus with 4090 in test setup, but I would like to see how different would those tested cpus place when with top Radeon (7900xtx). Either there would be no different results, or the reason is just because 4090 is simply currently fastest gpu and also Nvidia has still bigger market share. IMHO its also kind of Nvidia marketing.. The most interesting thing would be AI calculated benchmark to tell you expected performance for certain setup, game and settings. As I play only pair of online games ( higher specs World of warships) and none of them is included on benchmarks, I have to guess only the results depending on old custom pc build tests, benchmarked games running on same engine and finally guess how it would run with rest of my hardware. Fun fact: I tried old Quake 1 (gl Quake) on my i3-10100f 6650xt, it is 20+y after game release, 4K "ultra" 600or 800 fps, 1280x720 or even FHD 2500fps. Well, you don't need 4090, you need "optimized game" Who cares HD textures and raytracing when you get frag?

Great video

The main difference I see is the areas in games where TechTubers benchmark. Some use built in benchmarks while most use custom runs. Providing the locations of the benchmarks would help immensely for those looking to compare.

My problem is how they have given the impression to the unitiated or the unthinking that the FPS counter is everything and that you should strive to squeeze every last drop of FPS in every game. I at least am not the kind of guy that can feel a significant difference between something like 100 - 120 fps and 160 - 240 fps. If its a slower singleplayer game or especially a top down game, I don't care about running that game at 200 fps! 60 fps is just fine.

I am glad you made this video a 1 1/2 minute benchmark does not tell the whole story take the game and game for 2 to 4 hours and see what its like is it smooth does it crash or freeze after a 1 1/2 minute benchmark you can't tell that and it will make you upset with the reviews you saw so before judging a product use it first.

Hand reveal! 😮

Should I upgrade my 4070 ti to to a 4090 with a 5900x? Or should I wait, and upgrade my mother board and cpu to a ryzen 7000 series and prepare for the 5000 series nvida gpus ?

@jjlw2378

8 ай бұрын

Personally, I would wait. 4090s are even more expensive than usual right now and the 5900x will definitely bottleneck it. Enjoy the 4070ti for a year or so and save your money. If you buy a 4090 now you'll just wish you would have waited when the 5090 launches. Zen5 X3D and Intel ArrowLake are coming soon too so either late 2024 or early 2025 will be an incredible time to build a new high-end system.

@Itsyoungsaturn

8 ай бұрын

@@jjlw2378 great advice thank you

@NatrajChaturvedi

8 ай бұрын

But why brother? What kind of display are you running that you need even more performance? If your at 1440p or 1080p, thats plenty of performance with that gpu, cpu combo you have. Plenty of people can make do with the performance it will give at 4k as well. What will you even do with the extra FPS?

@Itsyoungsaturn

8 ай бұрын

@@NatrajChaturvedi you are right, I play in 4k and playing 4K in some older game titles is great! but the newer games at 4k max Settings especially with ray tracing has me thinking ahead about a upgrade since my card was mainly built for 1440 p, I got it in a pre built

@NatrajChaturvedi

8 ай бұрын

@@Itsyoungsaturn Well even in that case the leaks and punditry about the 5000 series from Nvidia suggest that the upgrade could be well worth it this time unlike with the 4000 series. The 70 series next time around could give close to 4090 performance and enough vram too. There could be even be 4000 Super refresh. You should sit tight for at least 1 or 1.5 years and then look at your options.

I am not interested in true benchmark numbers as there is no such thing. Relative numbers are important though to see which cpu/gpu/etc is faster running certain apps.

@Vfl666

8 ай бұрын

There is no relative performance between 2 different gpus, cpus and completly different architecture.

@mkatakm

8 ай бұрын

@@Vfl666 Relative means comparative, such as this gpu runs this game 30% faster than that gpu. Or more concretely, so that even you can understand (hopefully), the average performance of the 7800 XT card of brand A is 10% faster than the performance of the RTX 4070 card of brand B, which is a relative performance statement. And on the contrary, the relative performances of two identical items are not important as they're expected to be the same.

I know a guy that won't judge a product until he has used it for a month.

I'm tired of the people who complaining about the Alan Wake 2 performance just lower the settings in the past there where always games that pushes the hardware.

@pf100andahalf

8 ай бұрын

You can't turn off ray traced global illumination though. That can be a problem for a lot of people.

@Keyaerts

8 ай бұрын

I do think that Alan Wake 2 looks like a next gen game, so the requirements to run it will be higher. However I do also think that for most current gaming pc's under lets say $1200 and consoles Alan Wake 2 will not run on high refresh rates. For me the sweet spot is at like 90fps for very smooth gameplay, don't think that I will hit that number on my current setup (R7 5700X + RX 7800 XT). Not an outdated or slow pc but still not fast enough... Ultra settings is not for playing but taking screenshots, would like to play on medium/high and get good fps.

@pf100andahalf

8 ай бұрын

@@Keyaerts It rubs me the wrong way when people say to quit complaining about AW2's performance when people with a setup like yours can't get decent frame rates. I have a 4090 and still defend people like you. I think the majority of people care only about themselves, probably. It sure seems like it.

@Greez1337

8 ай бұрын

People complain that the visual bump is not worth it. The game is hard to run, yet has frick all for gameplay and interactivity.

@wulfone5961

8 ай бұрын

It's because it's poorly optimized trash. It's also a boring walking simulator. Most of the games released recently have been poorly optimized garbage that rely on DLSS too much. A game should be able to run at a steady 60 fps at 1080 on all high settings these days. If it can't it's because it's poorly optimized trash. It has nothing to do with people's hardware being bad or whatever shit tards like to spew. 1080p is no longer a big deal. It's the standard these days. Most monitors being used are 1080p. If the game can't run at 1080p 60 fps then it's an optimization issue.

It's funny how DDR4 beyond 3600 C16/C18 was basically never in a techtube benchmark. Yet now, HUB is benchmarking with tuned 7200 DDR5. Which I think is a nice change... but imagine if normies saw what some 3600C14 on Zen, and at least 3800C14 on intel could do.. there'd be a bit more nuance to simply moving to DDR5. It's a nightmare to get stable, so it really pays to be an X3D chip. AMD's saving grace....

Can you come over to my place and make my Microsoft Flight Simulator VR settings work? kthxbye

Just max them out then test them

I dislike how tech influencers really skew expectation and makes consumers chase for the wrong tree or believe straight up bs. I particularly dislike TV/monitor reviewers and how incredibly stupid their pixel response time race is when it really doesn't matter that much when it comes to motion performance at all .vs other variables, and this affected the monitor industry for the worse, to the point where TVs are now by far objectively the best displays for gaming and not the "gaming" monitors. Ppl are wasting thousands on literal plastic garbage, it hurts.

I think a lot should be said that some benchmarks were or are, sponsored in one way or another which does indeed cater favortism. Apple. They lie about everything.

This is why people buy PS5's & Xbox's. No tuning required! lol!

@oscar21781

8 ай бұрын

I built a PC for my brother in law and he never has time to sit in front of it because of his kids, but he can have his PS5 hooked up to the living room so it gets more use.

@wulfone5961

8 ай бұрын

PC players get better frame rates. Better looking games. We don't have to pay to use the internet we already pay for. We can play online for free. PC is better. If you can't take like 30 seconds to tweak the settings for your game then that's on you. It's not that hard. There are plenty of channels that explain the graphics settings for games. Most of the time it's keep textures on ultra and everything else gets turned down till you get the performance you want. It's been that way with PC gaming for about 20 years now. Things have gotten better though. In the past if your turned settings down the game could look pretty bad. These days you can use medium settings any the games will still look pretty good. In the past anything below ultra or high and the games started to look like crap.

@jjlw2378

8 ай бұрын

An untuned PC is just a more expensive console. I think the tech community needs to do a better job of educating viewers on the basics of undervolting, overclocking, and troubleshooting.

clearly amd cpu should used amd gpu .. more efficient

I got scammed listening to that 6 cores is enough for gaming bs for that one guy now in 12 cores lol

@Keyaerts

8 ай бұрын

Lots of tech reviewers give a recommandation for a 6 core CPU (R5 5600X or 7600X for example), for most games this is more than enough. An 8 or 12 core will give you more fps but it will not be worlds different. In my opinion a six core is good as an entry point and will let you game at high refresh rates. On an 8 core R7 5700X myself because I do have that little extra cash left to make the upgrade from 6 to 8 cores.