What do you like more, dedicated streaming PC builds or start doing more single PC streaming setups?

@ItsDimoOMG

4 жыл бұрын

Single pc streaimg setup

@SaberrMaui

4 жыл бұрын

I would like to see a vid on a single pc streaming setup Great vid tho👍👍

@JetpackRescue

4 жыл бұрын

Both, did you hear the rumors around the new ryzen architecture coming out in 2020? Single PC streaming setups are going to be even better along with what's being said about the new gtx card series

@Mustach92.

4 жыл бұрын

single pc builds since I haven't made that switch to gaming on pc yet

@NoxyYT

4 жыл бұрын

Truth being told, having 2nd streaming PC always felt a bit weird since the only thing that forced us to do that was the fact that software didnt handle GPUs correctly (100% gpu 'bug'). Hardware was ready for single pc setups for a long time already ^_^

Uhhh just a heads up, "Low Latency" in the Nvenc settings doesn't actually improve your latency to Twitch and only trashes quality. Pls don't.

@hareeshkumar3266

4 жыл бұрын

Dude tell me Ryzen 1600 + 1660super ...Nvec streaming can I get 60hz gaming's at 1080P and streaming live with all bells and whistles like streamlabs themes at 720P with recording at 720 p or even 1080P.I can add 2600 or 1700...

@hareeshkumar3266

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr Cloud HD am up for Nvec streaming... Will 1600 be good enough? Am opting for 1600 as it's cheaper now and has 6cores

@hareeshkumar3266

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr Cloud HD what could be the draw back with 1600

@dino-kira6996

4 жыл бұрын

@@hareeshkumar3266 It depends if its the 1600af then thats basically just a $85 dollar 2600. So yeah if you can overclock it it will perform basically the same as the 2600.

@MrJokster666

4 жыл бұрын

Mr Cloud HD did you even watch the video ?

Finally! You have brought clarity to my eyes. Thank you! Have been trying to set my build straight for gaming/streaming/production and this has been the best guide!

Ok, I'm so glad I didn't click of before the outro! The component explanation was top notch!

Her explaining the parts at the end was just... she tried so hard, and it was adorable.

Bro your wife at the end!😂🤣 that was the best thing I’ve seen on your channel yet!👍

@juanclarissa

4 жыл бұрын

I like the guessing.

@kunaldevsingh5514

4 жыл бұрын

Simp

Informative and easy to understand. Outstanding job, as always!

The metal cage description was epic. Loved the awkwardness of it. Haha.

This video was made before the 1650 super came out a few days ago. But the 1650 super has the encoder as well and the starting cost is around $149.99.

@srstrix2609

2 жыл бұрын

That used to be so good, too Bad that its more than 300$ now 😂

Thinking about starting a stream with my uncle and these help so much. Thank you!!!

I personally love having a dual PC setup. Being able to troubleshoot problems on a gaming PC while live and do reboots saves me from splitting up streams, losing out on hosts, viewer #'s from previous hosts, etc. etc. I don't have to alt tab to make small and quick changes, my macro boards are dedicated to the streaming PC and don't interfere with my gaming PC commands, etc. etc. Does it over complicate audio? Yup. Extra heat and cost? Yup. But those couple key points i mentioned heavily outweigh everything else, at least in my situation.

I was streaming with new NVENC codec and it's not even close to be good as Medium / Slow CPU preset in OBS. :( NVENC codec can't handle fast-paced game image - it looks so blurry. If you play Sims , Minecraft or World of Warcraft then it's not a big deal.

@lyejingxuan9457

3 жыл бұрын

Hi tsm Danucd!

@daffaalghifari8683

3 жыл бұрын

Im gonna take a note of that, thanks!

@JoelPlay

3 жыл бұрын

You're most likely downscaling your quality then. Because I was playing apex legends and couldn't tell and difference between the 2 at 144 fps

As always this is an awesome, engaging, entertaining, fun, interesting & insightful video Harris. 😁 👌 Cheers man! 🍻

Thank you so much for this video! It was very helpful and informative. New subscriber :)

Bro. Wish this vid was out about a week earlier lol. Just built a monster streaming rig with the advice from your last streaming build vid. Thanks dude!

@WhoDneeGaming

4 жыл бұрын

x264 is by far superior. This is actually really bad tech advice. Go watch medium x264 vs NVEC. There is a difference at speed.

bro! i respect how brave you are.. last part of the video getting all touchy with a working machine, not afraid of the static discharges here and there 🤣

Great video! You should do a similar test without the Nvidia GPU and with the H264 encoding to see which CPU you need to not drop any frames

Hey Harris! Thanks for being one of the top stream doctors on YT. I was curious as to where / what is the Motherboard mount that use that is shown here @4:00

End was best 10.1 for it, for rest 10+ :) good job mate ! :)

I just built my PC this year with the R5 3600 and the RTX 2060. These videos got me streaming fast! Thanks!

quick question I have a i5 4690k 16 gb ram and a gtx970 gpu thiking abot upgrading it as much as I can . SO looking at a 4790k and 1660 ti or super would this be worth it for streaming or would it be better and more cost effective to build a 2nd pc for streaming . I know this is older stuff but kind of on a budget just looking for advice on the best way to go . Thanks btw love all of your content always very informative and entertaining .

just a heads up; "Turing" is the GPU architecture of the current generation of 16/20 series Nvidia cards, while "NVENC" is the physical encoder integrated since the 600 series. I stream to FB at 720p encoded in NVENC with a GTX 770

@C0d0ps

4 жыл бұрын

NVENC and NVENC (new) are nothing like each other. NVENC uses your gpu to stream without a dedicated stream encoder aka gpus before 1650 super and the quality is around x264 very fast I would guess. NVENC (new) is an option for gpus like 1650 super and newer which means the quality is closer to x264 medium (again I'm guessing but this would be easy to look up). The new nvenc uses a dedicated streaming encoder aka not being used by games or anything else so it's a lot harder to overload this

Great comparison! Good job man!

This a real nice video demonstrating this, however, how well does the 3600 or even 3200G handle when in comes to streaming VR content to a headset? I'm currently running a 2600X on a B450-F Gaming, coupled with a 2080Super. I use Virtual Desktop to stream Oculus and Steam Games to my Oculus Quest over 5GHz WiFi. I gotta say that I'm very surprised with the quality, and between plugging in via Oculus Link and streaming over wifi, there's not that much different. I do get around 20ms latency though which is very noticeable in games like Beat Saber, but that is to be expected. My question is, will upgrading my CPU (to a 3900X), will this improve any issues with latency I have? Or is this purely network latency?

I just bought a ryzen 2700x for an encoding rig, should i have watched this video first? I'm probably going to run the encoder on slow though :D

Hey I'm intending to do music production livestreams. I'm currently using a 3400g with 16 gb ram. Would it be a good purchase to get a 1650 super and run the streaming process with the nvenc, and leave the 3400g to run ableton?

What you think about using AMD Ryzen 5 2600 + AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB(later addon) + 16BG ram both for streaming and gaming as single box? I did a small benchmark and while I generally run 80-90FPS for some reason I drop to around 60FPS seemingly at random. When FPS drops it also drops few frames, before jumping back to 80FPS. Doesn't seem to link to high CPU/GPU usage. Not sure what could be causing it. My PC isn't designed for streaming in mind. I do some youtube stuff + some game element rendering but was thinking to try streaming just for fun.

Great video! But I haven’t seen one I didn’t like. I laughed when you mentioned the 1660 and Ryzen 5 2600. I ordered my parts a few days ago and already have 2600 in hand. I went with the 1660 Super because of the DDR6 RAM which may or may not help with the encode. The neat part is this rig will pull double service. It will function as a gaming rig for my awesome wife when not streaming and work horse encoder when I am streaming. Very excited to stress test this configuration! Thank you very much for all the knowledge, support and good vibes that you provide to the community!!

@xixjordan23

4 жыл бұрын

Iron Bandit have you completed your build yet?? If so, how are the results? Interested to hear :)

@IronBandit_

4 жыл бұрын

@@xixjordan23 had to postpone the build for another week. I had an IT emergency and had to do a recase and repair of my main rig. Trying to get the ryzen build done in the next week.

So what type of performance can we expect from a GTX 1650 super for gaming and streaming?

i have an old optiplex with an i3 4130 and 16gb ddr3 ram but in my gaming pc i just upgraded to an Rtx 2080 and have a 1660ti lying around so do u think if i used nvenc i could use my 1660ti with the 4130 and stream at 1080p or 720p 60fps?

Yeah this would be true if anyone could tell the different between pre turing cards and post but they can't on live streams only in recorded video where a lossless video on x264 is noticeable.

I love these pc builds keep doing them plz

What about using the 4k60 pro mk.2 from Elgato as your capture card and using the feature(s) that allow you to record at native 1440p (for example) while streaming 1080p or 720p? I'm about to buy one of those capture cards (Friday when it drops down to $200 btw) but the vague system requirements section on the product page recommends a 6th gen Core i7 or better - thoughts? Is that really needed? Can we get away with a 3rd gen Ryzen series 5 and a GTX 1660?

@Topher-Gopher

4 жыл бұрын

Im in the same boat as you...

It probably would have been more helpful if you switched OBS settings back and forth between x.264 encoding and NVENC while gaming for the comparison.

Hello, question for you. I have a dedicated streaming pc using the cpu ryzen 5 5600G as the encoder ( no gpu ) the stream looks pretty good. I can buy a gtx 1060 for $50. But is it worth the $50 to go from x264 to nvenc?

Hey Harris, nice video but I was wondering if you could answer or make a video based on a question I am researching right now which could benefit a lot of budget streamers: how good will the performance be of a Ryzen 2400g/3400g as a dedicated streaming pc because these processors do not require a dedicated graphics card. Specially on a mini itx motherboard on a mini itx case. Not only would I save a TON of desk space I would also be able to save money by not spending on a graphics card and since mini itx motherboards have spot for only one pcie card I can use a pcie capture card like the elgato hd 60 pro. I think this could make dual pc setup streaming viable for budget streamers. And when not streaming from this pc the capture card can be swapped out for a graphics card making the tiny streaming pc a portable gaming machine. How it actually performs real world is something that very few people have touched so would be great if you did. Thanks.

Okay this is my first build ever going to do. Getting the GRX 1650 super and AMD Ryzen 5. What mother board should I buy and is there anything else that I need?

So is this video a one pc setup or dual pc setup and how do you get to 0 frames drops!! I have a 7700k and 2060

would it work with a GTX 1070 with 720p 60fps streaming & Local Recording at tha same time my streaming PC includes a Ryzen 5 3600, a GTX 1070 and 16gb of DDR4 at 3200mhz

Can you have 2 nvidia gpus in your system? Say for example u have an 1080ti but you want to leverage the new turing's nvenc codec for example since the encoder in turing is better.

Would nvenc in GPU work with helping when using tools such as Zoom or Skype ?

With the current price of the GPUs right now, is getting the ryzen 3700x better with cpu encoding rather than buy the 1660 and above for NVENC? Or will the ryzen 3600 run just fine with cpu encoding while streaming? I have my gtx 908 ti as my gpu btw.

I have a gaming pc and a gaming notebook... I tried to use the notebook to be my streaming pc but it could only handle 720p (I dont really need more right now but it wasnt great) , now im thinking... use the gaming pc to stream, it has a ryzen 2600x and a rtx 2060... Would that work?

If that is a Schecter Avenger SLS in the background, this is probably the most jealous of you I have ever been! And you have a lot of enviable equipment! haha

Hey it looks like you stream using ultrawide? Do you use your native resolution at 21:9 cropped or do you play your games in 16:9 with black bars for you and normal view for your audience?

Love your videos m8

Been running with a Streaming PC with nvenc encoding. 1660 gtx, ryzen 2700x and Elgato 4k capture card. Works flawless. Gaming on 1440p and could potentially stream on 1440p if the platform support it (Mixer does not give transcoding for 1440p even if partner.. but it's possible to run and looks great).

Happy I just got the GTX 1660...my wife's reaction would have been like yours, maybe a bit more animated! Thank you for the insight, helped me validate the purchase I made for streaming.

this has helped me a lot for my stream

but can we just use a 3200G whit the onboard gpu on motherboard for streaming pc?

what are those lights attached to your wall called? the blue and purple ones

It would be great to have a single pc setup but for my setup at least, I've found that if you do want to get a bit more "fancy" with it, with lots of browser sources it's just not going to work while gaming as well which is sad as I bought the Ryzen 7 1800X because it was advertised as the streaming pc CPU, so for now I have to keep it pretty plain to not spike CPU usage.

Now I need to run Character Animator on the stream box in addition to all of that. It looks like I need an R5 or R7.

Hi, if I'm only doing some live streaming, without gaming, is it still better to get higher CPU?

i want to replace my Amd 5700xt graphics card which Nvidia card should i get i use streamlabs obs and facebook to stream??

Thats all great.. but can these CPU's handle this PLUS recording replays so we can put that content on youtube? Im interested in that.

@ts6603

4 жыл бұрын

use quicksync for recording while streaming with nvenc. only available if you have intel cpu

We run a very intense stream setup. I wonder what would happen if you ran the same test on our set up. 2+ cameras, 2 gaming PCs, music player, a couple of bots, discord, and more depending on what we are streaming.

im interested in what happens when you record clips at high quality from sources while streaming. How the CPU holds up then.

@vrphotoatlanta

4 жыл бұрын

THIS!!

@justaweeb2138

4 жыл бұрын

astwise upgrade to rtx 2060

@Embattled5211

3 жыл бұрын

@@astweiss Not an old PC, but I still have a 4790k so it depends on who you ask. Go for a CPU upgrade. The newer Ryzen chips have better single-threaded performance and if your motherboard supports Ryzen 5000 that would be a huge step up even if you still have the same number of cores. If you can't do Ryzen 5000, the 3000 chips are going to be cheap soon second-hand as others upgrade. "Lagging Issues" isn't very descriptive. If you're dropping frames try to change either the render settings or the game settings so that the CPU isn't hit as hard (V-Sync or a framerate limiter to limit frames to 60, increasing graphics settings while decreasing physics settings like ragdolls). If you just care about the streaming then running above 60 would be unnecessarily harder on your PC. You could also be dropping frames if your upload connection is unsteady or too slow for the bitrate, but that's less likely. If this is the problem then making sure you have a good internet connection (Wired instead of WiFi) would be the simplest fix. If your frames are dropping below 60 then that's not a hardware problem just a resource management problem. The game settings are set to high or your streaming settings are set too aggressive. Most of the time this is a GPU problem with the solution being to turn down the graphics settings (shadows are a big one). You could also check to see if your GPU utilization is at 100% (Don't use task manager for this, use something else like MSI Afterburner). If your GPU is not at 100% when playing a game then the CPU is holding you back and an easy solution is to just make the encode settings faster.

Any difference what capture card to use?

Just to be clear, this is for a single-PC streaming setup right?

What about streaming AND recording?

Just built another pc yesterday. Ryzen 3700x, 64gb ram, gtx 1080 hybrid, 1tb Samsung nvme it's glorious. Not a streaming PC, both of them are for gaming, the laptop with the Intel 6 core 8350 and gtx 1070 will be used to stream both together.

@PITERPENN

4 жыл бұрын

64gigs for gaming with 1080. oh yeah, complete waste

These tests were a single pc setup or 2 pc setup? I might have missed it

Can do video what tools will need for streaming art and video games?

So what would you suggest for someone who games and streams using the same pc?

what are you using to pull up your cpu usage on the left side of your screen?

What should our bitrate be for affiliate if not 6,000?

Super useful thanks, confirmed my build! Was going for 3600 and 1660 Super, although I might get a 5600X for the price they are at now as 3600 just as expensive due to low availability

I would love to see this but with some other stuff like Discord / Spotify / Chrome running as well

@Nogxme

3 жыл бұрын

On your streaming pc , if you're running a dual pc stream. Chrome will never be opened cause chrome will easily take 80% of the cpu cause of it's guidlines. Discord will mainly be used for your main pc as you already know i guess. Spotify takes little to no percentage. So i'd say the only scary things are the animated overlays or any animated alerts.

@Limbaugh_

3 жыл бұрын

None of those should use gpu

Is a second pc necessary for only recording, not streaming? If you want to record 1080p60fps, to edit and upload let's plays/reviews, do you need a secondary pc?

@bkstandukar

4 жыл бұрын

depends on your cpu or gpu. If your gpu is gtx 16-series and higher, you can use gpu to encode, else if your cpu has 8 cores, encode with cpu.

Would this work with the GTX 1060 3GB as well? or is this NVENC only available for thsi 1660 series or above?

@C0d0ps

4 жыл бұрын

Gpus who have this option is gtx 1550 super and above so I'm pretty sure 1060 falls under this. Go google if you are unsure but I think it works!

Hi can you try to stress test ryzen 2600 vs 3300x streaming & editing test to see how would it perform.

Do you have more info on *single* PC systems? I very much believe the large majority stream and game with one PC, the GPU is likely already being used massively.

Ryzen have a new encoder can you test out streaming in only 1 pc? Is better nvenc or ryzen encoder?

Good video man, GTX 1650 Super + 9100f + Capturecard = winning in 2020 it'll suck spending as much on a Avermedia Live Gamer 4k as the entire CPU and GPU together lol x264 slow is still the best looking though...

Alpha gaming is a beautiful community! you got my support

Great video! Would love to see the same tests done with AMD card using their encoder. Specifically a 5700xt.

@YaNeK92

3 жыл бұрын

I was actually thinking of doing that video myself 😆👌🏼

@brandonchurch2734

3 жыл бұрын

@@YaNeK92 I wouldn't bother now. The 5000 series AMD gpus are dead.

Great stuff!

is the 1060 6gb nvenc option better than the 264?

do all rtx cards come with the encoding chip?

Is it nvenc that he uses for 1660 & r5 3600 test stream?

Hey Harris some further insight. I have a really high end PC, 2080ti and an i9 (I know over kill for streaming) but I game and stream on it at the same time with settings maxed out for most games and while streaming recording and gaming at the same time, my CPU never goes above 18% honestly this only proves at least for a while that dont need a 2nd PC for streaming. PS. to furher this olive branch on why I have a PC like this is because im learning animation with Blender in my spare time.

I need to know what the big led stick in your background is

@joshl9294

4 жыл бұрын

Hardline.dk thanks

I wish you would’ve done tests with an old 1070 or something because that’s the gpu generation just before Nvenc new came out, and that’s what I use as a gpu encoder.

@Pantera_NP

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Anderson I have a liquid cooled 1080 that I haven’t tested yet in a dual setup. What settings do you use?

So are all the resolutions, fps, and other encoding specifics all the same? Cuz there are other channels that do this testing infinitely more in depth.

for this nvenc setup would you still recommend getting a capture card??

@juanclarissa

4 жыл бұрын

Capture card is good for a console. You could probably get away with NDI scan converter with a Gaming PC.

hello im new to this, are you playing and streaming using the same pc? also, does this mean i can just purchase ryzen 5 instead of ryzen 7 for streaming and gaming?

@therowboatt9012

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@katzenbieber9885

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

Does the GTX 1660 has this new Turing encoder or only the GTX 1660 super and TI?

@ghostcoffee1099

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it does

I have with NDI a Streaming PC, Ryzen 3 2200G / 8GB and 1650 Super on the way :)

I have a question? So I built my wife PCRyzen 3600, 1660Ti, 32GB RAM 3200Mhz on a B550 motherboard. We were having really bad skipped frames, with gaming and OBS showed CPU at 44% OBS CPU usage was 9-10% Gaming was 44-50%. using NVENV New encoder Any Ideas?

You didn't overpower it, you future proofed it.

should i get the Ryzen 2700x or Ryzen 5 3600 for streaming and gaming 1 PC build?

@streakzzchannel4429

4 жыл бұрын

3600

i7-7700K, 1080ti single PC here. New encoder has done wonders for my channel.

pls use hardwareacceleration for animations and videofiles played in your overlay! it stops the cpu spikes because the gpu is much more efficient using its acceleration you can also plug the 2nd monitor where your obs is on into your intel cpu and use the hardwareacceleration of intel gpu. pls consider hardwareacceleration its good

was this gaming and streaming from the same pc or tow pc?

Just got a 5700 XT, does anyone know if AMF encoder issues were fixed for Navi?

@EhrgeizTV

4 жыл бұрын

Don't think they have been.

I have a 1080ti and it also has an encoding chip on it, presumably it's not as fancy as the ones on the turing cards, but it still runs the New NVENC codec

@NovaDoll

4 жыл бұрын

The 10 cards can "run" the new encoder but it still looks like dog crap. Those cards don't have the new chip. Which looks really good.

I'm using OBS and when I set the encoder to envanc on my 1060 card I'm seeing similar results but not listing the 1060 as having the nvanc It is Cuda core instead of turning but it looks like the encoding still works on the 1060

@revvilo

4 жыл бұрын

The 1060 does have NVENC, which is the same technology but not the same version as these new 20 series cards have (from what I understand) - _Source: I have a 1060_

@GGONZ4L

4 жыл бұрын

@@revvilo Turing GPUs have a dedicated NVENC Chip, the older series rely on using the CUDA Cores as NVENC

So NVENC was on the whole time , and still there was quite some CPU usage ? good to know thanks for the video.

I can stream/record with a super old CPU. I am using a Intel Core2 Quad Q8400, overclocked. And a rtx 3060, with 6gb ddr2. And it can keep up. I am using the GPU to encode. The CPU does struggle with OBS open, and gaming at the same time. But it does work.