It’s interesting how pyro went from being the worst class without question in versus saxton hale to being actually pretty good just by having airblast not add to Hales charge.

@korhol2065

5 ай бұрын

Why was that feature added anyway?

@simplysmiley4670

5 ай бұрын

@@korhol2065 to prevent pyro from shutting down hale which, eh demoknights and engineers already did

@yourdemiseishere

5 ай бұрын

Me when the slowest gamemode ever has been fixed by letting saxton do ANYTHING but crawl at the nearest person and stun them.

@JoshButterballs

5 ай бұрын

? critswitch pyro used to deal highest damage for a while

@JoshButterballs

5 ай бұрын

? critswitch pyro used to deal highest damage for a while

I absolutely love how KZread age restricted the original video but they have absolutely no problem with people uploading half-naked yoga without any restrictions.

@ramannoodles.

5 ай бұрын

3 words: Low Hanging Fruit

@Gandalf-The-Gay

5 ай бұрын

@@ramannoodles. That's usually the tastiest kind of fruit.

@TheTundraTerror

5 ай бұрын

>half

@insanityleech

5 ай бұрын

Its not bad if its "educational"

@THE_MrNoob

5 ай бұрын

They still haven’t gotten rid of “Who touched my Pepsi”

we love KZread restriction policies

Once again, the original version didn't deserved to be age-restricted. I need to say this, but KZread better THINK before age-restricting.

@flamingscar5263

5 ай бұрын

How do you expect an AI to think? And before you say "yotube ahould have real people in charge of age restrictions" youtube is WAYYY to massive for that, litterally weeks worth of content uploaded per second, let's say the average video is 5 minutes, that would mean you'd need, youtube would need at least 2,500 people watching videos 24/7, with full time shifts that's 10,000 people needed

@anthonyriego659

5 ай бұрын

@@flamingscar5263 *facepalm*

@Dutchyuri

5 ай бұрын

They need to make the ai better duh

@zebruhmoment

5 ай бұрын

@@flamingscar5263 As mentioned before you can make the ai better. Secondly, you only need to hire people for appeals, and only the time stamp the AI marked for age restriction, no the whole video.

@walugusgrudenburg3068

5 ай бұрын

​@@flamingscar5263It's fine to have robots age-restrict things, after all it's not very feasible to check every single video by hand. BUT! Appeals exist. They should be handled by actual humans who actually care, and they really aren't! A bogus age-restriction should be resolvable in a few hours at most by submitting one (1) appeal.

"i killed your last medic what are you gonna do now?" the half zat (and drunk) demo: "eyyyy" *charges into hale*

Saxton hale cannot be stopped, no matter how much KZread can try

@demoman5864

5 ай бұрын

Australian justice!

@terrifichorse369

4 ай бұрын

Control Point: allow me to introduce myself

This is the 3rd VSH tier list you’ve ever uploaded. You are truly the VSH tier list king.

still a very important video for the 5 people who still play VSH

@mr.monkey354

29 күн бұрын

There are still full vsh servers. Hell, I get them half the time in casual when queueing for other modes

I like using the Hitman's Heatmaker a lot in VSH mainly because of the quieter shots. Hale players will most likely target the Sniper if they hear their shot echo through the open map, so having one that's quiet gives you a bigger chance of remaining undetected, at least for my experience.

I feel you kinda just glossed over the tiny little buff the widow maker has, it deals bonus damage to the same target as your sentry. In normal games this is complete doodoo poop fart but when your sentry is only gonna be targeting this one guy it actually makes the damage buff noticeable

@terrifichorse369

4 ай бұрын

“complete doodoo poop fart” This shouldn’t be as funny as it was 😭

For those who wonder what the song in the intro is, it's called: find your one way. from the guilty gear strive ost, it's specifically sol badguys theme.

"One does not simply make a TF2 tier list." -Boromir

@Amarenamann

5 ай бұрын

Without getting age restricted...

Tbh. The only nerf I wish Hale got is to make his punches deal 130 damage. Unlike the community mod version, in Vscript he got a ton of extra damage damage from ground pound and charge punch which already deal significantly alot more damage then running to someone and punch them, he can keep the power up punch being a full 195 and sentry destroying capability but regular attack should only deal 130.

@DataDrain02

5 ай бұрын

On top of that, maybe Heavy needs some additional damage resistance like what Medic had? Maybe he should be able to take 3 hits (4 with overheal). I mean, he's the TANK class. Why is Medic about as tanky as a Heavy?

@aibadenshi

5 ай бұрын

@@DataDrain02 That also accounted if Hale fist was nerfed to 130 damage since Hale need to 3 punch to kill a heavy. This doesn`t include other ability hale got tho.

@DataDrain02

5 ай бұрын

@@aibadenshi Ah, fair enough. And if Hale had this nerf... Medic wouldn't need that innate damage resistance. Since he would be 2 shot like before.

(This comment is copied over from the original video before it got taken down. I am reposting to see if anyone wants to discuss this) The video was generally pretty good with solid advice and pretty decent ratings for most things. HOWEVER you both undersold some weapons and classes and completely ignored others. One weapon I'm super surprised you didn't bring up at all was the reserve shooter. In VSH v-script the reserve shooter does full crits anytime Hale is in the air because of his jumps. It used to be anytime he was off the ground but that was nerfed. The reserve shooter is probably the most consistent damage soldier and pyro can output, especially pyro because it allows him to get decent damage with the crit airshots while Hale is out of range of the flamethrower and moving to much for the flare guns. And on top of that, it has a faster switch speed meaning that when you see Hale in the air you can just swap to it and get some easy shotgun crits on him. All if these things combined make it incredibly powerful and a shame and a blessing more people don't use it in VSH. Another weapon I feel was undersold was the Force-a-Nature. Most of my time playing VSH has been relegated to scout as he is the class I am most comfortable with and the weapon I consistently get the best results with is the FaN. The extra mobility of having extra jumps and corrections mid-air while still having your primary weapon out is insane and allows for more dodges and jukes from the scouts end. Plus the knockback means that either the Hale is going to have to put way more effort in to killing a FaN scout than a babyface's blaster scout. Because with the babyface all Hale has to do to effectively counter you is do a slam in your area and then you are slowed down to a crawl meaning the Hale can either punch you or finish you off with a charge. With the FaN you still have access to double jumping, and it doesn't negatively affect your movement speed. These things alone make even the stock just as good as babyface however with the knockback and the extra jump, this puts it far and away the best scattergun. You can use it to help push Hale off important teammates, jump up to harder to reach and hit places, allows you to stall Hale so long as you don't miss shots. With all of these things along side scouts innate movement and the even more movement utility that wall climbing gives means that you will get to do the most damage possible with maintaining great survivability. From experience I have reached the last three surviving team members almost every time which means that you also get mini-crits and if left alive long enough full crits meaning the already great knockback is further increased due to the increase in damage. And with fewer teammates alive, you can more freely shove Hale around wherever you need him to go to ensure survivability. Pair the FaN with the Sandman and even if the Hale knows how to avoid most of the slowdown you can be sure that with the extra 50 damage the ball brings you are also getting more long range damage as well as slowing the Hale down for at least a second before the start to realize they need to counter the slowdown. In my opinion these weapons are hugely powerful and impactful. Now if we talk about good Hale players there isn't much any class can do but as you said in the video going off of normal Hale players they both get insane value for just having them.

@sev1120

5 ай бұрын

Another note is he didn't really talk about the Direct Hit for the soldier, simply decrying it as bad and moving on, but it actually has a niche no other rocket launcher can fill as effectively consistently: Support. With rockets that move faster and deal more damage to Saxton, but the same damage to a soldier who uses them to rocket jump, you can build up banners faster than with any other launcher (except maybe the air strike with a maxed out clip) The smaller radius and mini-crits on super jumping saxtons is also good, the the latter moreso than the former. Smaller blast radius' mean that, whilst you can't deal with crowds as well, against Saxton you're only dealing with one guy so that's not as bad, plus with a decent engineer you can offset the ammo used by missing (which is just as bad with every other launcher) The mini-crits on airborne saxtons allows you to limit an entire axis of movement for him, which is INCREDIBLY good in a gamemode like VSH. All in all, the Direct Hit works best when you go for a more supporting playstyle with a banner and probably the disciplinary action too, not when you're going for a pure damage role.

@cewla3348

5 ай бұрын

as someone who loves BFB scout, have fun catching my opinion!

The old thumbnail was so much better. Why cant KZread be less of a dumbass

11:20 you forgot to bring up side strafes with the bonk atomic lunch. Literally the sandman slow but self applied.

@corncob5198

5 ай бұрын

bonk atomic lunch 🐱👍

@littlebadassgaming

5 ай бұрын

@@corncob5198 Ye. That stuff is my lunch.

What i love about vsh is how different the meta is from other casual modes. If there is a tf3 in the future I hope it returns

Time to rewatch this for the algorithm boost. I got your back SpaceGuy

Watched it once, may aswell watch it again! Great and informative content as usual. Shame about KZread being silly

Wait, how are the miniguns bad? They deal pretty big damages and- oh. They've been artificially nerfed to the grave....

I’m honestly impressed with how much better you’ve gotten at the SFM segments

Gotta say, nice music. Ggst sound track is wild. Now, onto the rest of the video XD

Nice list! I think you nailed most of the placements, and this is coming from a vscript VSH enjoyer that's played hundreds of hours. It's not easy covering almost every weapon, and do it well. My only major gripes are Soldier/Trolldier/Spy placement, and you're missing a very important VSH mechanic. 1:14:50 Market gardens and backstabs do the same amount of base damage. The reason the two hits you compared didn't do the same amount of damage is because they probably didn't. Damage in VSH is calculated by not only the amount of players, but also the amount of teammates who've died. So when you got the 1000 damage backstab it probably took you longer, and more of your team was dead than when you got the 750 MG. Anyways, maybe I wont have to see scouts with that garbage cleaver or gift wrap anymore, so thanks. If you ever make an updated list please just scream MAD MILK 200x over the scout section.

funny how two of the top 4 in the og list are now so far down due to map design differences and making sniper require effort

Great teir list and completely agree on the pain train part

Greetings, citizen! I saw some mudcrabs by the water recently; I stay clear of them. Nasty creatures, but I hear their meat is rather tasty.

9:45 LISA mentioned? LISA mentioned? LISA mentioned?

I literally just watched the original one yesterday, guess I gotta watch it again.

I will now watch another 1:20:35 video to counter the need for a reupload

Isn't buff banner zatoichi soldier neigh unkillable, due to the damage resistance and health buff?

@cheesywithers

4 ай бұрын

God soldier

Used find your one way in the introm respect earned. Hello (hopefully) fellow sol main

29:00 From what I've found testing the Axetinguisher, you actually DON'T get the speed boost when hitting Hale. So it doesn't even have that going for it.

Maybe this is just placebo. But, doesn't the stock melee for Demo have more knockback than the swords? I feel like when I was messing around with Demopan. I knockes Hale away more often. But... again, could just be placebo. Also... not sure why you're so angry about the Pain Train. If a Hale LETS you cap. That's his fault. He's so flipping OP. Something that actually gives your team a SLIGHT advantage isn't the end of the world. Plus give it time, the Pain Train will probably be nerfed like all the other tactics from the past. Remember when 2 Ubersaw hits gave you full Uber?

@SpaceGuyOnline

5 ай бұрын

Swords have less knockback yes, although technically I think hitting Hale at the maximum sword range + the knockback it deals is equal or close to the same stock bottles. My issue with the pain train and capping in general is how it completely removes the VS part of Versus Saxton Hale. You gotta realize that all the maps are designed with the point in the middle, aka the best place to stand and be, resulting in people capping a lot more than should be Obviously there are valid times to cap, but that really only happens if the last 3 guys are turtling Engineer's or Spy and Scout.

@sirchris6047

5 ай бұрын

​@@SpaceGuyOnlineCry some more 😢

@th1v5

5 ай бұрын

​@@sirchris6047 i doubt he really cares about one guy insulting him, although i do understandnthere are some problems with his points

Cool video!

tierlist man is back

I remember seeing you in game spacey, I’d put a link as proof to a screenshot but my comment got removed when I did 💀, but its good to see ya uploading again

I sure do love it when youtube restricts videos for no f**kin reason

its been some time since I played VSH (don't even know if people are still playing it), but as medic I used to run the amputator because I hated having 3 or more people with almost no hp looking at me asking for heal, and only being able to slowly heal one at a time. So I preferred to risk doing the taunt with the amputador and try to heal everyone rather than deal with this shit situation with only the medgun

@mr.monkey354

29 күн бұрын

Yes, finding full lobbies is incredibly common

that intro's a banger

I like the direct hit in vs saxton hale :( it taught me how to hit air shots

Dude, why was your "threatening" voice weirdly hypnotic?

Welcome back

Lets go yet another VSH tierlist but for official VSH this time

Wait I just realized I came back later to finish this video and I’m in it 💀

What? I thought I already watched this, guess I gotta watch it again

Man, MegaPieMan’s Saxton voice is pretty spot on.

I don’t mind watching this again

32:48 best sentry save of all time (poor bastard exploded)

lmaoooo. having a beggars downside be “reduced mobility” is hilarious to me

I think you undervalue the Reserve Shooter INSANELY HARD on soldier. Playing with the liberty launcher or even the rocket jumper with the reserve shooter makes you an impossible to catch mosquito that constantly pumps out 40-50 damage hits from really long ranges. While it’s not the best thing you can do, it’s certainly worth a try and DEFINITELY worth at least a mention. Edit: Pyro too? For shame.

i love playing with sydney sleeper, it's amazing when u time the mini crits right

how did this even get age restricted? it's literally just gamers discussing game strats

@swift7842

5 ай бұрын

The current theory is that it could have been the thumbnail. But we don’t know for certain since YT didn’t give any justification for the restriction

Actually we comprised a team full of only medics and destroyed Saxton. So, Medic should get his own tier.

God has blessed us with a spathiest hr long tf2 video!

Love the righteous bison section

Alright now we're back

Saw this guy on SCP: Secret Lab. Just wanted to say I talked with the admins, and they were looking into that guy 👍

LETS GOOOO

Hey the gg ost at the start lesss gooo

Hale hid all those bodies under a pile of rocks, hes got that sigma mindset

With saxtons speed the flairguns have the same issue as the rockets. The man melter deals good damage has a faster projectile speed meaning you can aim easier and is a good combo tool.

What did youtube say about the last one this time...

9:45 heheheheh lisa status effects

@youtubeisawebsite7484

5 ай бұрын

crazy how memorable they are. it's been years for me and it instantly took me back

13:17 is that the old model?

I don't really play tf2 that much anymore so I'm not very experienced in Saxton hale but I would've thought the shotguns would be better. Like it could give Pyro some safe medium range hitscan, and soldier can use it when he needs to reload.

The base jumper can also make it easier to hit gardens for new troldiers as a crutch

Maybe a way to buff heavy could be giving him damage resistance and making him faster and take more knowback the less hp he has

9:20 wrap assasian, flying guillotine and BFB lets you have constant full boost

hell yeah

Disciplinary action sounds like it could be a looney tunes skit.

The Sun on a stick might be more useful than usual because Saxton's one opponent versus many, and that could mean he'd be on fire more often.

@michaeljonathan9715

5 ай бұрын

Isn't Sun on a stick only upside is 100% critical damage vs burning player and 25% fire resistance while active ? The stock bat (which is the worst stock melee in raw DPS, even the stock shovel have 25% more DPS) is better than this due to almost all melees are crit-boosted which include stock bat. Lizard of Oz propably forgot this melee exist because popular bad weapon videos only cover bison, classic, syringe guns, etc (or doesn't know how to buff it to not be borderline overpowered like eyelander & half-zatoichi)

@danielhuelsman76

5 ай бұрын

@@michaeljonathan9715 I think the Spy's knife might be worse if you suck at being a spy.

I paused watching this last night and then it gets reuploaded lol

Strats I use against Hale (the one with complex moveset): Scout - Baby Face's Blaster with cleaver and wrap assassin for Bleed. Very annoying yet too fast (literally, not even low hp Saxton should be able to catch up unless caught by suprise and now suddenly close up). You'll only be in big trouble if it is just you vs Hale when point is unlocked. Soldier - Katana + Battalion that gives +20 more HP. Bonus points if you got a medic pocket. Pyro - Anything can work techically on the Hale that doesnt get rage if being airblasted. Go nuts. Engineer - Either Turtling or Widowmaker can work I suppose. Heavy - Honestly up to you, I don't really use it. But if going for memes, it would be the xmas gloves. Demoman - Demoknight. Spy - Can use anything, just expect to die a lot. Medic - Anything works, just think about what synergy you bring to other players that have their own kits. Sniper - Works but hindered in compact maps. You are better off using other classes in compact maps. Favorite Map? - The one where it has the room with cameras to show locations and broadcasts VC to both teams. Too many fun moments like the FNAF moments caused by players with microphones AND plus the scout strat works wonders there with multiple routes to lose Saxton Hale hot on your tracks.

Hope he remembered to mention the goat of the Basejumper 🧐

I just about had a heart attack at thst intro

Who would’ve guessed, the better classes are the ones who can get up close to Saxton Hale, and Live

22:05 Saxton is completely immune to the crocodile pit in Skirmish, airblasting him in there is absolutely pointless

You forgot that the Base jumper combined with the market gardener is unholy

I'm so glad this wasn't an actual tier list tbh

Oh, nice video Only one problem, you forgot THE AMBASSADOR!

@kinggrim2376

5 ай бұрын

too bad it got overshadow by *THE* *AMBASSADOR*

Spaceguyonline got good music tastes. Its literally the theme i use in the background when i play vsh

Idk if it's really that bad about the Beggar's Bazooka, i got really good at it, but it's hit or miss really, you can still land most rockets if you aim properly, because it's predictable that the rockets will be going the way you shoot a bit higher on the crosshair, so you aim lower to hit Saxton, i could land 3 rockets on him depending on the situation, or not hit a single one because i was still reloading lol.

Im pretty sure the original upload was age restricted because the "sax" part of "saxton hale" sounds like "sex" and you say "saxton hale" quite a few times over the course of the video

9:26 Tbh, there are some very fun moments with the Boston Basher. My favorite is the medic+scout Boston crasher: You Ubercharge a scout and he runs in crit swinging with the bleed. It’s a fun and extremely satisfying dumbass strategy, and it’s fantastic when you have a medic pocket. You also build ubercharge faster too lol 38:30 I love the FE music playing the background, I love the singing as I SWINGING and gaining health player or even the eye lander to RUSH B.

Can somebody holiday punch, and then get a telaporter underneath him and have somebody go through?

The combo of the baby face and sandman garuntee you to constantly slow saxton down while still keeping your distance running. Only problem is that you need to hit the sandman balls accurately

I love the family guy Death pose haha

31:18 Captain SpaceGuy is incredibly cursed

It's just ridiculous that Heavy got a huge damage nerf across the board with his Miniguns. They should have been removed, considering Heavy is risky af.

Using snake eater for spy is amazing considering he literally has a cosmetic set based on ocelot's dedign from mgs3

Nice their list! (ZI Time!)

ever wondered what happens when you get 5 engineers in the croc room, I've had 3 in there and Saxton couldn't do anything as he got pinned to the corner

I did not expect to be jumpscared by Guilty Gear upon opening this video, but I was pleasantly surprised

Quick tip for sniper on skirmish, yknow that tree people use to get on the bridge? Jump on in and stay there. If you have any use some darker camo cosmetics. Genuinely every single time I’ve done it I’ve ended up with around 5k and being last player standing.

Guilty gear music in the intro? Respect.

You forgot to mention the Reserve Shooter.

1:07:03 as a wise chubby electron man once said "it's better to NOT get shot, then to get shot and have protection." (paraphrasing of course)

Omfg! I show up in this video 5:16 I can't get over that 😂

One thing to note about the basher: free ubercharge for any medic teammates if you happen to have a buddy to work with.

the fact you called it the flying gill o teen is so... just...