[TF2] The Zombie Fortress Tier List
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Not to be confused with The Zombie Escape Tier List, an entirely different game mode.
Zombie Fortress follows the gameplay style of L4D2, Survivors need to search and scavenge for weapons while Zombies attempt to eat their flesh with some supportive help from special infected.
The video was a pain to make more so than usual so showing some support or love would be appreciated.
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:50 Gamemode Basics
3:35 Sniper
7:18 Engineer
12:56 Medic
16:49 Soldier
21:04 Heavy
24:13 Demo
27:59 Spy
31:05 Pyro
34:51 Scout
39:20 Zombie Introduction
40:23 Zombie Soldier
40:56 Zombie Sniper
41:44 Charger
43:15 Zombie Engineer
44:08 Zombie Demo
45:15 Jockey
46:17 Screamer
47:05 Boomer
47:54 Zombie Medic
48:35 Smoker
49:33 Zombie Heavy
50:13 Zombie Pyro
51:00 Zombie Spy
52:20 Spitter
53:18 Zombie Scout
54:16 Tank
55:17 Hunter
56:45 Outro
57:40 Credits
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Servers That Host the Game
BlackWonder Zombie Fortress IP Address:
85.117.240.52:27010
BlackWonder BR Zombie Fortress IP Address:
177.54.157.73:27060
Flux.TF Super Zombie Fortress IP Address:
85.117.240.63:27000
Updated Things Not in the Video
- Manntreads give 15% faster movement speed
- Vitasaw gives 10% faster Uber-Rate
- Ubersaw gives 10 Uber on hit
- Eyelander has -15% movement speed, cancelled out by getting heads though
Пікірлер: 680
That transition from the Engie laugh to the realisation is so smooth.
@phagesuffersatgaming.3797
Жыл бұрын
Where?
@thanoid2373
Жыл бұрын
@@phagesuffersatgaming.3797 3:11
The alliteration has improved drastically, it flows so much into your sentences that sometimes I hardly notice it
@TaRAAASHBAGS
11 ай бұрын
It's supremely distracting and reeks of someone desperate to sound witty. Whoa, who would have thought a language of 170,000 words and 26 letters would have some that start with the same consonant sounds?
@beartheconfused6798
11 ай бұрын
@@TaRAAASHBAGSeh.
The alliteration is still badass ngl. Down right impressive.
@jehooft8569
Жыл бұрын
there's an insane amount of similes as well
@Tulad_Shorts
Жыл бұрын
The amount of alliteration is incredible
@noobanimates2727
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: each introduction of a class has alliteration.
@HuonPiper-ir4yj
5 ай бұрын
@@noobanimates2727 i only started noticing from heavy somehow
My absolute favorite TF2 mod. More people need to play Zombie Fortress.
@wearenumberone1111
Жыл бұрын
in which servers can I find this mode I want to pley
@niVin.
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@raffihakim278
Жыл бұрын
It's a Shame that the gamemode was horribly overshadowed by Zombie Escape though.
@MostlyJustWhipGaming
Жыл бұрын
Also love this server, I wish they brought back SG
@Mista_demi
Жыл бұрын
The best fan made mode
Thank you for making these videos on these arguably obscure game modes!
@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
Жыл бұрын
this channel is so small why are you trying to farm likes on it
@scoutdude4455
Жыл бұрын
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I wanna kiss engineer on the lips
@louisperry6138
Жыл бұрын
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 sir it has 44k subs it’s not small
@maksymbohoslavets
Жыл бұрын
@@scoutdude4455 😳
@TheTroll10
Жыл бұрын
@@scoutdude4455 based
Wow, first time I see a zombies gamemode that sounds actually fun.
@zer0_674
Жыл бұрын
Its TF2 Left For Dead 2 and LFD2 is very fun I say 2nd or 3rd best horde shooter behind Payday 2 and maybe OG Doom
@deaglan6641
Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely a unique thing that’s quite fun. Tf2 is free too which makes it better (minus how hard it is to get unlocks)
playing L4D2 in TF2 on Serious Sam maps looks like a pinnacle of videogaming,i love it!
@somedesertdude1308
Жыл бұрын
jup played on the map its kinda hard
@apollyon5069
7 ай бұрын
More like Zombie Panic
And now a random cinematic story script: *The Tank marches up, it's squad of medics keeping it strong and healthy as it begins tearing apart barriers like tissue paper* Medic: ALL IS LOST! WE CAN'T FIGHT IT! Engi: Damnit! My sentry just ain't got what it takes! Heavy: We will die fighting! *revving his minigun* *As the mercs all line up, weapons drawn, Demoman pauses as he hears a spectral voice* "Give em hell boys!" *He looks behind himself, seeing a familiar lost face: Soldier, charging into battle like he did before his falling, using a grenade as a suicide technique to kill some of the horde from before* Demo: Lads...it's been fun. *he hands his last unopened skrumpy bottle to Heavy, reaching into his vest and pulling out the Caber* Heavy: No...Demo, NOO! Medic: What is happening?! Scout: THE FREAKING DEMOMAN IS GONNA KILL HIMSELF! Demo: It's for Soldier! *With every step Demo took, another barrier is ripped through by the Tank, but soon, the light shines through, showing the Tank and Demo, mere meters apart* Demo: *Taking his last breath* LEEEEEEET'S DO IIIIIIIIT! *The Tank roars out and charges, Demo doing the same, the hulking fist and the Caber making contact. And as the ligh shines bright for the mercs, Demo sees Soldier, holding a hand out* Soldier: Come here, cupcake! *after a moment of pause, Demo laughs and runs to Soldier, hugging him tightly* *Through the deafening buzz after, the mercs only see the ashy remains and decimated corpses, and while a few stragglers were quickly mowed down, the team sat there, now safe from the horde for now...but at the cost of yet another valued friend.* I got this idea from when you talked about the Caber and if anyone wants to animate this, you have my fullest permission
@TheBANKO1
11 ай бұрын
if they ever do i want to see it.
@twinzzlers
11 ай бұрын
*CRINGE*
@th1v5
11 ай бұрын
@@twinzzlers hes havin fun
@Biggest2
11 ай бұрын
I can see this is a reference to the sacrifice chapter in lfd2
@vyrus5587
11 ай бұрын
@@twinzzlers guess you dont like good stories.
To add to that morale thing, as someone who has played szf for a while, it changes based on events not just kills. The most important things to note are 1: tanks drop your morale hard. It becomes really difficult to kill a tank due to this reduced damage. 2: Capturing objectives cause your morale to go up. That’s one of the reason why many maps use objectives when not needed, that morale boost is important. 3: special infected kills increase your morale more and more likely to. 4: Melee gains increased damage benefits from morale. To talk about melee for a second it is the second most powerful tool in a survivor’s arsenal. It does bonus damage in the beginning of the game until the first frenzy. And it note ally does way more damage against, of all things, tanks. This isn’t some ok neat last leg thing , this is it is better for me to run at this tank with my melee instead of my shotgun. Yeah it’s like 100% more damage. The most important tool in a survivor’s arsenal is, ironically, the ability to run away from your problems (zombies). Yeah cowardice is really powerful, except for demo because demo is god in szf Jesus Christ come at me. The medic is the funniest class in but heavily map dependent due to the maps sometimes having guaranteed Mediguns. Spy has the advantages of being annoying with dead ringer and cloak. Scout’s speed is, believe me, negligible since his double jump is so much stronger in a mode that if you get surrounded by two zombies you are bringing your own coffin. The ability to be fast is completely useless when your last stand without the force of nature or soda popper because you are going to be forced from the point. Trust me I have seen gods of Szf die a scout last stand because they were always being pressured by the stronger infected. Infected are equal to survivors. Even tank vs a heavy with brass beast only is limited by the slow on hit the tank has. If tank gets the jump on a heavy, it usually is over for a good chunk of the survivors. But remember that melee damage. A single surv can beat the living shit out of a tank if they have backup. The tank becomes so weak with the battle back up it is insane. A tank can one shot a soldier. A tank must 10 hit a last stand battle back up soldier. But when a tank dies without getting a kill the zombies get frenzied, which is often stronger than a tank. A tank can do nothing, but a frenzy obliterates the entire team including whoever gets the last stand. That is the end of my rant. (Edit) some things to add is that zoldier is the opposite of Dezo in that instead of hard offense, it is focused on hard defense instead. The increased health is one thing but there is another thing that is really important to zoldier. When zoldier is assisting the horde, if on one survivor, the entire horde becomes stronger. The reason is due to the mobility of zoldier, the hit box of zoldier, and the increased health of zoldier. For example, if a scout tried to fire into a 3 strong horde, most of the horde will be hurt pretty badly. When a soldier is there, only the soldier gets hurt leaving the rest mostly untouched. The zoldier is also the strongest manual pressure (other than gas) that the Zombies have in abundance. To put it simply, a soldier can distract a heavy, demo, engine, whatever incredibly effectively than the others because if your don’t finish a zoldier, their power level soars to being able to move as fast as a scout while doing above average damage.
@meem6154
Жыл бұрын
@Thiện An Giáp depends on the map, but usually no. If there is capture blocking then the cap itself is pretty fast. And it mostly applies to last caps.
im glad that there is a video on this so that servers can now actually be somewhat alive.
I've posted in the description some other minor details I missed/were updated in additon to the Blackwonder Server IP Adress for the gamemode. There's another server that hosts it by the name of Flux however their listed IP doesn't seem to work.
@scoutdude4455
Жыл бұрын
Zombies?
@cmcfly6722
Жыл бұрын
Why non binary people and kids in particular?
@NabbyLloyd
Жыл бұрын
their*
@SpaceGuyOnline
Жыл бұрын
@@NabbyLloyd If you're going to try and correct a grammar mistake, it helps to not try and fix a proper sentence by making it incomprehensible
@NabbyLloyd
Жыл бұрын
@@SpaceGuyOnline I've posted in the description some other minor details I missed/were updated in additon to the Blackwonder Server IP Address for the gamemode. There's another server that hosts it by the name of Flux however their listed IP doesn't seem to work.*
I love the fact how the charger buff he recently received would move him up to A tier
Dude your videos have such a cozy vibe reminding me of 2014 yt good job on the vids!
@cmc4448
Жыл бұрын
so true king
@reimuhakurei2123
Жыл бұрын
Ikr
I suppose I should mention that the eureka effects wrench gives passive metal to engineers at the cost of getting less from ammo pack. It's use is niche but is useful when you get those rare maps that have very little ammo. Also the candy cane is updated that it gives 20% damage vulnerability to the scout. Man treads now is really good since you can run fast and not fall behind as much.
Listen to while at work, and watched later, video is fantastic, great sfm work as always and another great video to add the the list
I love the tank line of being inclusive about your victims. “Your pronouns are valid but your life is over.”
@fetch7312
Жыл бұрын
"I now pronouns you dead" -some person on tumblr idk
@El_chara
Жыл бұрын
"your pronouns are now was/were human"
@some_shitposting_idiot3023
Жыл бұрын
@@El_chara just like 41% of them
@zalduna
Жыл бұрын
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 lol
@Naz1Killer
Жыл бұрын
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 lol
I like the gamemode, The 2013 incident is a big incident that shook spaceguy really bad, he murdered milk lovers in order to not leave any proofs, but some survived and said the truth. We decided to keep it a secret but don't be fooled it is a real incident, if you see spaceguy with a knife which has a white liquid, run he has arrived for you
@scoutdude4455
Жыл бұрын
Space guys lust for blood has led him in endless circles. He will soon awnser for his crimes. Noone can escape from their past, including him, the milk incident is no different
@drillbitz2816
Жыл бұрын
One day, he may do something dangerous. Never leave him by himself.
Back when I first heard of this mode, I didn't know what it was and had no idea what L4D was Now I know both so I'll have to try it out
I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this gamemode before lmao.
*The return of the king* Thanks for continuing to make amazing content and managing to make the intro for each character start with the same letter TerrainTransAmish
I’ve never seen this mode it’s so cool that they actually translated the special infected view models and character models but making them look like mercenaries and seeing the TF2 version of dead center was awesome
Yooo thank you for making this!! I love this gamemode!
I'm so glad someone made a video now the servers are gonna grow. Thanks, man
Absolutely amazed at his ability to assemble sentences so abely
Zombie fortress deserves so much love, please keep making more videos like this!
17:48 RAWKIT LAWNCHAIR Thank you so much for adding that
great video! enjoyed it throughout
This is something I been waiting for since the zombie escape tier list
love your vids mate keep up the good work
I remember playing OG ZF back in 2010! Seeing asylum awakened old memories. Old ZF was just normal tf2 but with class restrictions - zombies were scout, heavy and spy and that was it, no special infected. Survivors couldn't be those classes but they were able to take various perks. For example, I remember one of them being called stir crazy, which would give you damage bonuses while strafing
Been watching ever since I randomly found you in a match I got, been loving the content ever since dude. Much love.
Wow! This looks amazing how have I not heard of this game mode before.
Thanks for making these tierlists
nice video dude i really liked it
ISTG, Spaceguy these alliterations during your videos are great
Thank you for making this video, this ended up getting me into SZF, it's fun as hell and I've met some cool people
You forgot to mention about the jokey passive ability. He has 100% (or I believe 200%) air control. Meaning when you jump, if you strafe you actually move SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER. You’ll be surprised how fast you can go so even scouts can not run away from you :).
@twitterhaha
Жыл бұрын
bhopping
22:21 "Come on Heavy, we need to get the hell out of here!" "Negative, I have gun."
This video is great! I remember playing this game mode years ago. It was some of the most fun I’ve had in TF2.
Nice to see some light on this gamemode. Especially now with the removal of class limitations.
Les goooooooooooooooooooooooooo also i like this where time lines and you're animations is improving
The Stalker Zombie has a longer blackout effect than Common Infected Spies, so there you go They're more dangerous and annoying to deal with
@Luka-prisma-ravencroft
Жыл бұрын
I love that a l4d mode has at least one killing floor enemy
@ralsei-plays
Жыл бұрын
@@Luka-prisma-ravencroft funny thing is, the gamemode has a killing floor map Biotics Lab
Great vid. Always cool to hear stuff about how people change TF2 into an entirely different game mode. Should try it myself at sum point
Very interesting, despite i never played the mode before. Also, those transitions are great
Well, you've convinced me to give this a shot. Seems like fun!
Jesus your alliterations are godly dude. I love it
Love the animation tidbits you do
Here are some fun tips that you didn't mention for anybody wanting to play this mode after this video: 1) Jockey is secretly the ultimate counter to scout, even if you don't move them while grabbing on, you can still make them easy Tank and swarm bait. 2) Charger is good as a distraction, although not the best, he can bait somebody into looking at him falling so that his team mates can avenge his failed kamikaze strategy, also you can completely screw with scouts by cornering them which is still as hard as it is to one shot them. 3) Infected Spy is actually kinda good for picking off survivors, punishing the team for abandoning them by adding them to their side, so target those who will fall behind. 4) Infected Soldier is better when you need an all around class, he is not too slow, can move faster to get a free hit, and is more effective on maps where you can strategically take damage for a slight speed boost when tailing the survivors. 5) If you are playing spitter or smoker, it might be worth it to rush in if you know the survivors are holding on by a thread to help swarm and contain them. 6) You can attack while on top of someone with both the hunter and Jockey, also similar tip is that screamer can still attack and is far from weak, meaning if you swarming with your team, remember that you can get physically involved. 7) DONT FORGET THAT MOST SERVERS PROVIDE !rtv TO CHANGE MAPS! 8) Let the Solider whip you, even if you have to back peddal, it has the potential to save both of you while going faster, versus going slower and leaving the guy who trusted you to be beaten alive by a swarm of rabid drunks. 9) Bionics Lab is the best map I've played so far, fair both sides and forces everyone on both ends to work together to win.
@bluefirefoxowo
Жыл бұрын
Bro he didn’t list alcoholism as a pro for demo
@MostlyJustWhipGaming
Жыл бұрын
Nah the best map is mandrill maze
@-AAA-147
8 ай бұрын
i think the best maps are the ones from actual l4d campaigns since, y'know, they were designed around that particular gameplay loop in mind
@meem6154
4 ай бұрын
@@-AAA-147most don’t actually translate well to tf2, they have to be changed by adding lengthy control points because they are extremely linear.
Finally it is here great video can't wait for people to join on this server now!
this vid is amazing thx for showing off such a cool game mode in such an amazing way
52:22 that was oddly smooth, good job!
Hey, I was there for a bit while you were recording!
It's always funny to me that the Gas Passer is awful in everything except for gamemodes like infection and mvm
nice video. SZF is such an underrated gamemode. Also, recent update made: - Eureka Effect regen metal - Holiday Punch can do its stun from punching the back as well as a triple punch a la Gunslinger style
thanks for the info. also I didn’t expect you to use the old rocket jumper model.
Huh, I had played an mvm variant of this game mode before but never the real deal, that's fun! Thank you for making discover yet another zombie fortress game mode
The bison is finally not the worst weapon in the game!
@storyfellchara416
Жыл бұрын
At least not in this game mode
oh I thought this was a video of the recently added zombie survival gamemode
@louctendo1321
8 ай бұрын
Same
Amazing alliterative autiovisual activity. Always appreciated.
Im very thankful for these community game mode tier lists
I should try this gamemode, your slender fortress video got me into that mode as well
I’m a regular on the Blackwonder SZF Server, I’ve spotted you playing a few times. Glad to finally see the finished product. I usually play Sniper myself, I find it as good aim practice. I personally like picking up the Huntsman, it’s a pretty fun weapon though it does demand a pretty reliable team when the going gets tough.
another hidden fact: morale is now affected by infliction (human to zombie ratio) meaning that the more zombies there are, the more damage humans deal and less they take (and vice versa), which *seems(?)* to stack with the old (now hidden for some reason) morale system that changed with kills and deaths dynamically
About Medic, many of the most popular maps have Medigun spawns hard-set in certain areas, so with some map knowledge Medic can become the absolutely best option to pick
Thanks space man very cool
21:26 best joke ive heard in a while
Here's a thing to consider If there's a gun for a slot that is empty you should still pick it up so you at least have something in that slot. No matter what it is.
Great mod and the boss maps are really fun
wish this was more popular
24:16 Demoman pours scrumpy into his eye socket
I started playing this gamemode after I saw the video and I got some weird and funny moments here are they : 1. I dominated 10 people with soldier, it was a weird match, I got last survivor buff when my last teammate was alive so probably it was bugged and somehow I managed to gain health on hit on the tank with the conch and what rocket launcher I was using ? The « 🇺🇸🗽🦅 » 2. How to make the entire zombie team fear you ( a server with a lot of people in ) : Step 1 : use the batalions backup, Step 2 : no rocket launcher spawns in Step 3 : you melee 2 tank Step 4 : die to common infected Side not : if you are playing on a server with a few people in just use the bataillon. 3.It was an Alysium match, I was the jocky, I grab the medic, they didn’t come to save him, I was going to the cliff, he die att the moment he fall, I wasted the jocky ( My lawyer told me to not swear online ) So these was some high moment when I played this game mode and I’m still playing it, and here’s a tier list based on the fun you get by playing some class : C Tier : - Engineer : not fun to play, I feel like I’m in walking dead stupidity but the zombies are from l4d or the last of us. - Sniper : Skill issue - Spy : Skill issue and I’m not destroying the horde I’m just being a coward and miss a all my backstab Now the B tier : - Medic, high moments only if you are the last survivor with the blood succer or have a medigun - Scout : run shoot, run shoot, run and die because of skill issue - Heavy : Not a bad class but, just the overused joke but stronger. And Now the A/S tier : - Demoman a.k.a Demoknitgh : just watch Solar tf2. - Pyro : doing combo’s than just being brainless - Solder : I melee 2 tank and survived I don’t even need a rocket launcher I just need the batallion and that’s it they f fear me. So why are you still reading the comments go play it !
Intro was dope
I am definitely gonna look into this gamemode
I sign the oath
I’ve never heard of this game mode but I’m gonna try it ASAP
Just a bit of extra historical context for people new to the zombie gamemodes: this is *Super* Zombie Fortress. Zombie Fortress is much different, and is much more primitive, than Super Zombie Fortress. In ZF, only Scout, Spy, and Heavy can be zombies. ZF also lacks a lot of the L4D inspired abilities, such as weapon pickups.
This is what 6 years of no update dose to a community
ate with my dinner very good video
you've upped your figurative language game up!
This version of Zombie Fortress helped me make my best TF2 friend, so this game has always been my favorite
fell asleep halfway through this and woke up watching the zombie escape video and was so confused
One small note of the Hunter Scream, it is as equally terrifying as a Cloaker scream
Nice video i cant belive i just found it Im a heavy main in zombie fortress usually i use any minigun, family business and the normal boxing gloves
you have my sub!
One notable thing about this gamemode, as far as I can tell from the footage, is how it’s like Zombie Escape (ZE) with L4D Special Infected (S.I) in the mix. And since *said* S.Is are made with specific purposes for a 4v4 gamemode, not for ZE and its generally huge player pool, it’s unsurprising that Jockeys and Charger, 2 of L4D’s pick classes, suck in a huge player environment.
@SpaceGuyOnline
Жыл бұрын
The only reason why Jockey sucks so much is because the person you're riding can actively attack back, you could theoretically do a lot more if that wasn't the case especially with killing stragglers Charger sucks for a lot of reasons, his health pool is nowhere near L4d's just being Demo's standard, his charge doesn't do any damage at all and just tickles nor is there any follow up damage upon hitting a wall and then you obviously have the fact the person you hit can fight back as well. He would be better off just being a demoknight, getting a crit after the charge nears it end and dealing massive damage to one person rather than the curling broom thing he's got now
bro the little animations that happen are FUNNY i like the one at 34:07
I think something to take in note for scout is that zombie fortress is an OLD MOD and in the older versions of it, you couldn't play scout as a survivor. So most of the maps made for this gamemode did not have scout as a survivor in mind. When the gamemode got revamped, and allowed all classes to play as both survivors and zombies, scout was very strong, as he could easily out outmanoeuvre any zombie, and could get into hard to reach to almost impossible places on maps unless you were a zombie scout.
@partyanimaI
Жыл бұрын
Also while I do agree scout is VERY strong in zombie fortress, he is probably one of the weaker last survivor classes, solely for the fact that a lot of zombie fortress maps require you to stand on a point to win, and if that point is small, and not in a big area, it's hard for him to get much done due to him only really being able to target one zombie at a time. He is still arguably the strongest class in this gamemode though.
Thanks for the video, just watched it though.
I used to play on a server all the time with a less polished version of this in like 2012. You could take perks with toxic being a strong zombie one and vindictive being my favourite because you got attack and defence for every human you killed
I've never read a better summary for how much trouble you're in from a particular sound cue than with "YOU'RE FUCKED.MP3"
Something to note with the videos age is that charger is better now, he now scares people when he hits them in his charge and it lasts a little after the charge aswell. Still not great but it would take him into B tier maybe below smoker since now he can atleast prevent a large group of people from firing for like 3 seconds which can give him time to finish his charge which may actually result in someones death.
The alliteration, rhyming, similes and metaphors, reminds me of CK/VIC youtuber AlzboHD and I LOVE IT
Imma pray for the old rushy servers regulars. Y’all were fun to play with
loved that alliteration
I frankly found this video to be fucking fantastic, finally a funny film that made time fly by
I've played thousands of hours on TF2 casual and community servers pretty equally but not once have i heard of zombie fortress, gonna give it a try :D
You forgot the vita-saw (But lets be honest it would be a parasite because it’s benefit is literally useless since you can’t respawn as a human in this game mode)
@superiornicholas412
Жыл бұрын
@Аркадий Афанасьев doesn’t it decrease your health (well by like 10 but that still less damage the zombies have to deal to you to kill you) or is that con not in zombie fortress?
I do recall back in golden slag gaming days, when scout, heavy and spy were exclusive classes for zombies
Man, a LOT of the game modes just make scout hella OP xD
@starmaker75
Жыл бұрын
Well it goes to show that speed is the most important stat in most game(or atleast second)
@TheRealClaylex
Жыл бұрын
@@starmaker75 Oh yeah 100% agreed!
@calsalitra4689
Жыл бұрын
@@starmaker75 In this case, it doesn't really help that Scout seems to have increased health for no apparent reason and a Fan O'War/Wrap Assassin boosted to ridiculous extremes. Like seriously, why does Scout need two insane buffs and increased health like this when he's already fast, in a game mode filled with melee Zombies? Especially considering the arguably undeserved nerfs that Heavy and Engineer got.
I like the Bill reference with the tank.