The Great Misinterpretation: How Palestinians View Israel - Haviv Rettig Gur

This program was made possible by the Asper Center for Zionist Education at Shalem College which provides an academic platform for meaningful engagement with Zionist ideas and history. Learn more at: rb.gy/ly5cdr
This lecture was delivered in January 2024 at the Shalem College Fear No Evil Study and Solidarity Mission, a program which brought 36 North American college students to Israel for a 10-day intensive learning experience.

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  • @iskinder008
    @iskinder0084 күн бұрын

    As a non-Jew, I sure appreciated this well-delivered and interesting lecture. Thank you.

  • @lebojay

    @lebojay

    Күн бұрын

    I’m a Jew and I liked it too!

  • @ralphjohnson3396
    @ralphjohnson3396Ай бұрын

    "If you don't understand why the other side isn't stupid, you haven't done your homework." This is a great quote, and a lesson that a lot of people ought to learn.

  • @asurvila

    @asurvila

    Ай бұрын

    Stupidity was not defined.

  • @CarsInDimension

    @CarsInDimension

    Ай бұрын

    If you don't recognize that the other side can be irrational you're not living in the real world.

  • @SpencerMack

    @SpencerMack

    Ай бұрын

    🙏🙏

  • @joge2468

    @joge2468

    Ай бұрын

    This is similar to the philosopher’s credo that you allow your opponent the best possible interpretation of his argument. Then you crush him. Lol.

  • @naomiharbour7841

    @naomiharbour7841

    Ай бұрын

    @@CarsInDimension If marriage consultants would follow your premise they would constantly fail. If you want to solve a conflict, you don't refer to "rationality", but needs and wishes.

  • @bananamiriam
    @bananamiriamАй бұрын

    Awwww man! I have such deep respect for you Haviv. Your are intelligent, erudite, passionate. I wish every University student in the WORLD could hear you speak 🔥

  • @mznxbcv12345

    @mznxbcv12345

    6 күн бұрын

    On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%" -Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well' -Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband' Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023: 2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255. 2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300. 2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138. 2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30. 2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349. 2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191. 2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227. civilian deaths on the other side - 2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9 2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26 Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel. Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Oded Yinon Plan. They are following scripture, the word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”-1 Samuel 15:3 “Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.”-Jeremiah 6:11 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”-Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): "includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit." This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship." It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah: حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ» "Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries" حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ» سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ» "The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly" This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them. Stephen Langton, the writer of the Magna Carta (12th century, contemporary with the crusades for a reason) studied in the university of Paris which archives show had plenty of Arabic treatises in its procession, there can be no question about it being inspired by the "Sharia". both the renessiance and the european enlightenment were directly preceded by massive translation movements form Arabic (see the Republic of Letters by Alexander Bevilacqua, The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization By: Jonathan Lyons. The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

  • @alnon6304

    @alnon6304

    4 күн бұрын

    Say that again. 😅😅, all rubish.

  • @bananamiriam

    @bananamiriam

    4 күн бұрын

    @@alnon6304 tautoko that! 💙

  • @nonenone5413

    @nonenone5413

    16 сағат бұрын

    I wish every Uni student in the world could hear the famous scholar Prof. Nadera of Hebrew University speak, but the Israelis arrested her and are persecuting her for her academic work, so nobody can hear her.

  • @nonenone5413

    @nonenone5413

    16 сағат бұрын

    @@alnon6304 prove it

  • @firthm2
    @firthm24 күн бұрын

    As a foreigner who has lived and volunteered in the Palestinian city of Nablus, and also travelled to many other parts of the West Bank and Israel to visit Jewish, Muslim, Christian, and nonreligious friends, I am inspired by the idea offered at the end of this lecture about shifting perspectives on the conflict from a zero-sum game to a a tragic conflict with a possible solution. Recognizing valid points, grievances, and aspirations on both sides, with various forms of justice and injustice, and a willingness to compromise, then open, compassionate, and well-informed dialogue could actually lead to peace. It gives me a glimmer of hope when there is so little right now. Thanks for this knowledgeable, incisive, thought-provoking, balanced, and entertaining lecture.

  • @lebojay

    @lebojay

    Күн бұрын

    Too many people on both sides WANT it to be a zero-sum game. Hurting the other side is half the point.

  • @oremfrien

    @oremfrien

    Күн бұрын

    I struggle with how the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict could be re-evaluated as a search for more justice in the other’s paradigm. Dr. King noticed that White America conceptually believed in equality for all citizens but practically did not implement that, creating an argument that he could use to say, “Do you really believe in the equality you say is the basis of the US governmental system?” The fundamental purpose of Israel is to create Jewish self-government and the fundamental purpose of Palestine is to expel the invaders. The great justice of Israel is the success of Jews willing to create a homeland and the great justice of Palestine is restoring Arab Muslim governance and expulsion of foreign elements. These are irreconcilable visions.

  • @txdmsk

    @txdmsk

    10 сағат бұрын

    That will never happen because violence and hatred are the core of islam.

  • @ShamAmram

    @ShamAmram

    8 сағат бұрын

    The truth is there has always been a strong will compromise within Israel and the design is psyche. There is no Will for compromise amongst the Palestinian Arab population or leadership with the exception of a few individuals who have no voice or influence in that society. Be honest about that.

  • @Lancet75
    @Lancet75Ай бұрын

    Excellent lecture. Having said that, the British defense of El-Alamein wasn't primarily intended to protect the Jews of Palestine but to protect the land route to India, where the Nazis had many sympathizers among the independentists (including Gandhi). The protection of Palestine's Jews was a side effect of this mission.

  • @user-ts7ih8rv7k

    @user-ts7ih8rv7k

    Ай бұрын

    they definitly didnt do it for us. its a byproduct , a happy byproduct where otherwise the story of israel would have not existing even if the nazi still ended up losing ww2.

  • @jillfryer6699

    @jillfryer6699

    Ай бұрын

    Evidence? Or are we just supposed to take your word, eg: re Gandhi, because you have a handle to make it sound like you're a doctor?

  • @Lancet75

    @Lancet75

    Ай бұрын

    @@jillfryer6699 If you want an answer, use a less hostile tone. The information I refer to belongs to history and is freely available.

  • @Lancet75

    @Lancet75

    Ай бұрын

    @@jillfryer6699 Gandhi: "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs.... Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home." Mahatma Gandhi on Zionism and the Holocaust by Dusty Sklar, JewishCurrents, March 19, 2016

  • @dianehghzn7670

    @dianehghzn7670

    Ай бұрын

    I was allways under the impression that all Gandhi wanted was independence from G Brittain thats all and achieve a non violent way of living with not eating meat of any kind and using a fibre for weaving which was and still is an Indian natural fibre which ordenary poor people of India to make their own clothes and also by doing so undermine brittish weaving industries which were flooding the markets in india and becoming increasingly Inexcessible for the poor and Gandhi also realised by doing or achieving that goal would weaken englands hold on India and thereby easier to finnally get the brttish or push the British out of India and undermining the Brittish elites and their control over India and he did that and it cost him his life So i wouldnt talk about Gandhi so flippantly if i were you especially the constant fasting that he undertook and being dragged into prison god knows how many times and not to forget that march to collect salt with many supporters and so much more that that Saint of India did only to be betrayed by an mentally disturbed man unfortunately to be shot and died but the whole of india mourned and revered him up to today maybe not as much but there are still temples where anybody can go to pray and honour Gandhi and still has a following of loyalty for him and none of us should forget Gandhi for the sacrifices he made for his country and his achievements no matter what your belief systems are its the human spirit that prevails ( and that’s something that the jewish people have embodied. And the arabs can’t stomach or stand no matter the history or right or wrong of things The strength that the jews possess is not only military but simply not giving up like what happened during the holocaust not just October 7 th thats why the Muslim arabs wont win period !!!!! Thankyou for your provocative reply 💟☸️☮️🕉️🌹⭐️🍀🌈🌈☔️☔️🇦🇺🇦🇺🦘🦘🌻🌸🥰🙏🙏🙏💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

  • @Ozgipsy
    @OzgipsyАй бұрын

    This was outstanding. I knew a lot of the separate events but hadn’t seen them all in context happening sequentially. I really enjoyed that.👍

  • @victoriakozlovsky3550

    @victoriakozlovsky3550

    Ай бұрын

    If you can, read Exodus by Leon Uris. He does a great job weaving all the historic facts into a novel.

  • @mznxbcv12345

    @mznxbcv12345

    7 күн бұрын

    On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%" -Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well' -Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband' Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023: 2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255. 2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300. 2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138. 2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30. 2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349. 2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191. 2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227. civilian deaths on the other side - 2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9 2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26 Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel. Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Oded Yinon Plan. They are following scripture, the word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”-1 Samuel 15:3 “Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.”-Jeremiah 6:11 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”-Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): "includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit." This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship." It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah: حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ» "Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries" حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ» سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ» "The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly" This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them. Stephen Langton, the writer of the Magna Carta (12th century, contemporary with the crusades for a reason) studied in the university of Paris which archives show had plenty of Arabic treatises in its procession, there can be no question about it being inspired by the "Sharia". both the renessiance and the european enlightenment were directly preceded by massive translation movements form Arabic (see the Republic of Letters by Alexander Bevilacqua, The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization By: Jonathan Lyons. The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

  • @Elle52373

    @Elle52373

    6 күн бұрын

    @@mznxbcv12345 Quran 3:54, Allah, the best deceiver. So is Satan.

  • @mznxbcv12345

    @mznxbcv12345

    6 күн бұрын

    Thanks for posting the Verse, so others could see how deceitful that translation is, the verse says: "And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners." Indeed we can see the handiwork of the al-shaytan (actual original form of the word from which satan is a mumble of, his actual name is Iblis and his handiwork is seen in that attempt using a mistranslation.

  • @mznxbcv12345

    @mznxbcv12345

    6 күн бұрын

    The Aramaic word for God is Alaha. It's the word Isa PBUH (Jesus as his name is often misspelled due to the lack of the ayin sound in Greek, which was rendered to Iesous, coupling the nearest sound to ayin, same letter found in 'Iraq', which sounds entirely different in Arabic form 'Iran' in Arabic, with the -ous Greek suffix that Greeks typically add to their names 'HerodotOS', 'PlotinUS', 'AchelOUS' and later mumbled into a J). Sounds familiar? Written without the confusing vowels, it is A-L-H ܐ ܠܗܐ (alap-lamed-he) as found in Targum or in Tanakh (Daniel, Ezra), Syriac Aramaic (Peshitta), adducted from the Arabic original of which Aramaic is a dialect continuum of A-L-L-H (Aleph-Lam-Lam-Ha). The Yeshua rendition is KNOWN to had been taken from greek. Western Syriac also use "Isho". Western Aramaic (separate from Syriac which is a dialect of Eastern Aramaic) use "Yeshu". Western Syriac has been separate from Western Aramaic for about 1000 years. And sounds don't even match up. Syriac is a Christian liturgical language yet the four letters of the name of Jesus «ܝܫܘܥ» [ = Judeo-Babylonian Aramaic: «ישוע» ] sounds totally different in West vs East Syriac, viz. vocalized akin to Christian Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic «ܝܶܫܽܘܥ» (Yēšūʿ) in West Syriac, but pronounced more akin to Muslim Arabic Quran character name Isa in East Syriac «ܝܑܼܫܘܿܥ» (ʾĪšōʿ). The reason for this confusion is their dropping of phonemes as aforementioned. Only someone that has no idea what the letters are or how they sound would have a name ending in a pharyngeal fricative like the ayin, if it were to be used in a name it would have had to be in the beginning, thus the Arabic rendition is the correct one. In addition, The word God in hebrew is eloah, is a cognate of the Arabic I-L-H, pronounced ilah not eloah. Hebrew dropped the glottal stop and mumbled it into eloh, aramic mumbled a little less and it became elah. Infact it is written A-L-H in Arabic, it is pronounced i in Arabic cause it is an Alef with hamza below (إ أ ) They are two different forms of Alef. And it mean "a god", it is the non definitive form of A-L-L-H, in which the Alef is without a glottal stop/hamza,(ا) This kind of nuance is lost in the dialect continua. As a matter of fact, all of the knowledge needed for deciphering ancient texts and their complexity was derived from the Qur'an. It was by analyzing the syntactic structure of the Qur'an that the Arabic root system was developed. This system was first attested to in Kitab Al-Ayin, the first intralanguage dictionary of its kind, which preceded the Oxford English dictionary by 800 years. It was through this development that the concept of Arabic roots was established and later co-opted into the term 'semitic root,' allowing the decipherment of ancient scripts. In essence, they quite literally copied and pasted the entirety of the Arabic root. Hebrew had been dead, as well as all the other dialects of Arabic, until being 'revived' in a Frankensteinian fashion in the 18th and 19th centuries. The entire region spoke basically the same language, with mumbled dialect continuums spread about, and Arabic is the oldest form from which all these dialects branched off. As time passed, the language gradually became more degenerate, and then the Qur'an appeared with the oldest possible form of the language thousands of years later. This is why the Arabs of that time were challenged to produce 10 similar verses, and they couldn't. People think it's a miracle because they couldn't do it, but I think the miracle is the language itself. They had never spoken Arabic, nor has any other language before or since had this mathematical precision. And when I say mathematical, I quite literally mean mathematical. "protosemetic" Alphabet (29), Arabic Alphabet (28), Latin transliteration, hebrew (22) 𐩠 𐩡 𐩢 𐩣 𐩤 𐩥 𐩦 𐩧 𐩨 𐩩 𐩪 𐩫 𐩬 𐩭 𐩮 𐩰 𐩱 𐩲 𐩳 𐩴 𐩵 𐩶 𐩷 𐩸 𐩹 𐩺 𐩻 𐩼 ا ب ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س ش ص ض ط ظ ع غ ف ق ك ل م ن ه و ي A b t ṯ j h kh d ḏ r z s sh ṣ ḍ ṭ ẓ ʿ ġ f q k l m n h w y א ב ג ד ה ו ז ח ט י כ ל מ נ ס ע פ צ ק ר ש ת Merged phonemes in hebrew and aramaic: ح, خ (h, kh) merged into only kh consonant remain س, ش (s, sh) merged into only Shin consonant remaining ط, ظ (ṭ/teth, ẓ) merged into only ṭ/teth consonant remaining ص, ض (ṣ, ḍ/Tsad ) merged into only ḍ/Tsad consonant remaining ع, غ (3'ayn, Ghayn) merged into a reducted ayin consonant remaining ت, ث (t/taw, th) merged into only t/taw consonant remaining The reason why the protoS alphabet here is 28 and not 29, is because the supposed extra letter is simply a س written in a different position, but it was shoehorned to obfuscated. In Arabic letter shapes are different depending on whether they are in the beginning , middle or end of a word. "Semitic" is just mumbled Arabic, really. Imagine English with a third of its letters removed and simplified grammar. That's Aramaic, Hebrew, etc. For example, combine T and D into just T; there's no need to have 2 letters. The same goes for i, e, y - they should all be just y from now on, etc., etc. Arabic is the only corollary to proto-Semitic. In fact, the whole classification of Semitic languages is nonsensical for anyone with a somewhat functioning brain. Hebrew, Aramaic, and the rest of these made-up dialect continua only have 22 letters out of the 29 proto-Semitic letters. Arabic has all 29. The difference between Arabic and the other creoles and Pidgin is the same as the difference between Latin and pig Latin or Italian. "Phoenician" is an Arabic dialect continuum, and not only that, it is pidgin. It is simplified to the point of stupidity. Anyone with a basic knowledge of Arabic would see this clearly. What happened was that Arabic handicapped "scholars" saw the equivalent of Scottish Twitter spelling, with added mumbling due to phonemic mergers (22 letters, not 29), and mistakenly thought they were seeing a different language." Now how is it that the Qur'an came thousands of years later in an alphabet that had never been recorded before, and in the highest form the language had ever taken? The creator is neither bound by time nor space, therefore the names are uttered as they truly were, in a language that is lexically, syntactically, phonemically, and semantically older than the oldest recorded writing. In fact, that writing appears to have been a simplified version of it. Not only that, but it would be the equivalent of the greatest works of any particular language all appearing in one book, in a perfect script and in the highest form the language could ever take. It is so high in fact, that it had yet to be surpassed despite the fact that over the last millennium the collection of Arabic manuscripts when compared on word-per-word basis in Western Museums alone, when they are compared with the collected Greek and Latin manuscripts combined, the latter does not constitute 1 percent of the former as per German professor Frank Griffel, in addition all in a script that had never been recorded before. Thus, the enlightenment of mankind from barbarism and savagery began, and the age of reason and rationality was born from its study. God did bring down the Qur'an and Mohamed is his messenger

  • @matthaze9765
    @matthaze9765Ай бұрын

    Great breakdown of history and understanding. I did a ton of research the last 4 months, and this still managed to bring a few very new perspectives I hadn't taken into account or heard anyone mention yet! Thank you. We all need this.

  • @Bell_plejdo568p

    @Bell_plejdo568p

    Ай бұрын

    No it isn’t it just propaganda

  • @user-yz2pp9uu8f

    @user-yz2pp9uu8f

    Ай бұрын

    Great? Really? He literally spoke about literally everything except the problem: colonialism.

  • @21CENTURYLIVE

    @21CENTURYLIVE

    Ай бұрын

    I’m sorry but I don’t share your enthusiasm for this lecture… Arabs will latch onto any facts to promote their agenda

  • @smarinay

    @smarinay

    Ай бұрын

    He spoke in lengthy about colonialism, you chose not to here because it doesn't suit your agenda. The whole lecture is about colonialism and its relationship to the establishment of the state of Israel ​@user-yz2pp9uu8f

  • @alirohani2687

    @alirohani2687

    29 күн бұрын

    @@smarinay I feel like he played a trick. A very convincing one at that. His thesis is that the Arabs are wrong (with good reason he concedes) to look at zionism as a colonial project. He frames zionism and Israels existence and founding a refugee problem. Folks fleeing persecution. He mentions that it can't be colonialism because the colonial backers seemed to change so much. British, Soviet, American. He tries to say oh since the Israelis aren't all from one country it can't be colonialism they don't serve a master. But if he was being truly honest with himself he would have tackled the elephant in the room which very few zionist want to do and that is to justify refugees colonizing (taking by force others land and making it their own country I D C what you want to call it) Taking land of other people and turning them into refugees. Having said all that I still found it an interesting lecture. I just dont have that large of a blindspot to ignore what really happened on the ground to the average person. They got robbed. That's why they dont like you. It's that simple. All of these academics are jumping through hoops trying to find some way to justify and injustice.

  • @martatryzna4514
    @martatryzna4514Ай бұрын

    I love this lecture! And I love the fact that he has a powerful narrative and interactive style, provocative dialogue with the students, and he is so passionate about the subject, and he uses minimal visuals🙌🙌🙌

  • @matsinilsson9578

    @matsinilsson9578

    10 күн бұрын

    No. It is too loud and the rhetorical questions he asks loudly is more fear-inducing than engaging or thought provoking. Give the answer. Let the children/students learn from your deductions and make their own separately during test time.

  • @alnon6304

    @alnon6304

    4 күн бұрын

    All rubish....all propaganda antijudia. Catar and jamás pay for all that.

  • @_clauscarstensen
    @_clauscarstensen9 күн бұрын

    Thank you for sharing this video. So many things I did not know or just didn't put together for perspective.

  • @noahman27
    @noahman27Ай бұрын

    This was awesome. I wish we had video of the previous discussions you have with the group earlier in the trip. Thank you for this. Shalom Shalom U'mevorach

  • @emileblanche5868
    @emileblanche5868Ай бұрын

    This guy makes me want to go back to college.

  • @mdarrenu

    @mdarrenu

    Ай бұрын

    You know this guy might not be able to speak at those Ivy-Leagues any more.

  • @emileblanche5868

    @emileblanche5868

    Ай бұрын

    @@mdarrenu Stanford, UCLA, and many other universities are not Ivy League.

  • @fractalmadness9253

    @fractalmadness9253

    Ай бұрын

    UTube

  • @serpentines6356

    @serpentines6356

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@fractalmadness9253 "UTube College"...😅

  • @phyllisbarr4766

    @phyllisbarr4766

    Ай бұрын

    to argue with the professors? that would and could be the only reason, you won't learn anything from 80% of the teachers

  • @msinbalony
    @msinbalonyАй бұрын

    It would have been much more valuable if he repeated the audience's questions or they had a microphone. I feel like I'm hearing one side of a conversation.

  • @novacancy7253

    @novacancy7253

    25 күн бұрын

    Turn the volume up 🤷🏻‍♀️ there is not sides in this discourse

  • @pamelaroyce5285

    @pamelaroyce5285

    24 күн бұрын

    @@novacancy7253there is a maximum we can boost our volume. It should be habitual on the part of all public speakers to repeat the question and then answer it.

  • @nataliamundell6266

    @nataliamundell6266

    22 күн бұрын

    ​@@novacancy7253 what if it goes no louder

  • @curtvaughan2836
    @curtvaughan2836Ай бұрын

    Excellent lecture. These students will remember this for the rest of their lives.

  • @IshaqIbrahim3

    @IshaqIbrahim3

    Ай бұрын

    Is this true or false?

  • @danakaleb4882

    @danakaleb4882

    Ай бұрын

    @@IshaqIbrahim3true

  • @termination9353

    @termination9353

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@IshaqIbrahim3I'm Jewish and I say these guys speak falsehood. There is nothing Jjewish about this so called Jewish state.

  • @barrybkopicz2845

    @barrybkopicz2845

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@IshaqIbrahim3True

  • @philiprufus4427

    @philiprufus4427

    Ай бұрын

    Lets Hope So Eh !

  • @existentialvoid
    @existentialvoid27 күн бұрын

    So powerful. Your students are lucky to have such a cogent and profound teacher.

  • @Elle52373
    @Elle523736 күн бұрын

    Thank you. I thoroughly enjoyed this lecture and the one on the Israelis. They are both very informative and fascinating even for a non-Jew, who was impacted by the holocaust from reading Anne Frank as a child, later visiting her home in Amsterdam, and further enriched by Schindler’s List. Israel has the right to exist and every right to defend her existence.

  • @geertdecoster5301
    @geertdecoster53012 күн бұрын

    The problem with finding a solution with the King analogy is that he indeed started with "I'm not better than you" and not "we're all Americans"

  • @GoldSilverShop
    @GoldSilverShopАй бұрын

    One of the best and the most sober lecture on the topic with a great sense of humour. Thank you.

  • @jillfryer6699

    @jillfryer6699

    Ай бұрын

    Yes its a laugh a minute.

  • @philiprufus4427

    @philiprufus4427

    Ай бұрын

    Excellant ! As a seventy year old Brit who has read the History of the area since seeing Lawrence of Arabia in 1964 and heard so much 'mince' talked over the last few years, (one Arab kid even alluded to everything being hunky dory before 1948,had'nt heard of The Ottomans or The Brits. The Ottomans were only there for a few hundred years) I had almost given up. A Real Historian !

  • @serpentines6356

    @serpentines6356

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@philiprufus4427 Yep. I read a lot of the pro- Hamas types saying things like that online. It was all so wonderful for everyone before Israel happened... I guess I could say - "Yes, it was wonderful, that's one reason many Arabs were selling land to the Jews." 😅

  • @serpentines6356

    @serpentines6356

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@jillfryer6699 And sarcasm saves the day! 😁

  • @cardanotony1097

    @cardanotony1097

    Ай бұрын

    @@philiprufus4427alittle correction friend the ottomans protected Middle East from 1517+1917 Cheers 👍

  • @mardasman428
    @mardasman42826 күн бұрын

    Among Arabs and Palestinians there is a pervasive myth that almost all Israelis are dual citizens anyways, that they actually belong somewhere else and CAN go somewhere else. A Jordanian roommate in my dorm was complaining about Israel during a discussion and I asked her about her solution to the conflict. She plainly said that all Israeli Jews had to leave Palestine. She justified it by telling that almost all Israelis supposedly had dual citizenship anyways, so that it wouldn't actually be a big problem for them. I think it encapsulates exactly what Rettig Gur enumerated and explained well.

  • @fabioq6916

    @fabioq6916

    21 күн бұрын

    And what is the current Bibi policy for Palestinians?

  • @neshirst-ashuach1881

    @neshirst-ashuach1881

    19 күн бұрын

    "What is the current Bibi policy for Palestinians?" It Seems to be trying to give them tons of money, and a far better economy than any of the sorrounding Arab states in the belief that this will make them less interested in genocide....somehow. Its a really stupid policy, and a total failure to understand the fundamnetal desires of the Palestinians, as shown in decades of surveys - kill all the Jews, taje all the land. Its really dumb to believe that you can essentially buy off the Palestinians.

  • @AnnettSchwarz-sheepos_negros

    @AnnettSchwarz-sheepos_negros

    17 күн бұрын

    and today's reality shows: she's right, at least in parts. Look how they leave.

  • @mardasman428

    @mardasman428

    16 күн бұрын

    @@AnnettSchwarz-sheepos_negros They don't actually leave. Emigration rates are remarkably stable considering how battered the country has become. Just 50.000 have left the country and 30.000 have made aliyah and come to Israel, so the number was remarkably stable.

  • @aleejones7508

    @aleejones7508

    10 күн бұрын

    Know your own religion, The jews were told not to return to Israel, but to scatter among the other nation......

  • @Stardust475
    @Stardust475Ай бұрын

    Thank you, for uploading this. Very informative, perspectives rarely heard.

  • @shanybiran468
    @shanybiran468Ай бұрын

    Please consider adding chapters/timecodes for ease of reference. Just add the following text anywhere in the description and the timestamp for each section of the talk: Timecodes 00:00 - Intro 4:35 - 1881 The beginning of Jewish 20th century etc...

  • @drfelixcjchivandire9550

    @drfelixcjchivandire9550

    Ай бұрын

    This is free. How bout you do the time codes for ease of reference?. ;)

  • @ivanf2782

    @ivanf2782

    Ай бұрын

    ​@drfelixcjchivandire9550 even of it's free. It is great recommendation that would benefit all watchers and listeners. It neitherr difficult nor new. Let's not be afraid of giving suggestions .

  • @elqord.1118

    @elqord.1118

    29 күн бұрын

    least useful time stamps ever

  • @johnpatmos1722
    @johnpatmos1722Ай бұрын

    What is the name of the podcast?

  • @danielgoldberg9231

    @danielgoldberg9231

    11 күн бұрын

    I think he's referring to Call me Back with Dan Senor (most of the non-Haviv guests aren't that great tho)

  • @CarsInDimension
    @CarsInDimensionАй бұрын

    Rettig Gur makes a similar mistake to those that mark the beginning of the Zionist movement to BILU and also is mistaken by saying 19th Jewish immigrants to the land of Israel were not ideological. The first modern wave of aliyah began in the early 1800s with the chug of the Vilna Gaon. While we might not describe them as ideological Zionists, they made aliyah for religious, i.e. ideological, reasons. The Chovevei Zion, who predated BILU, were also religiously motivated as were proto-Zionist Rabbis Kalisher and Mohliver. The first modern Jewish settlement was Petach Tikva, founded in 1878 by members of the old yishuv, which was primarily religious. A few years before that, religious Jews from Yemen started making aliyah by foot. Yes, many of those early proto-Zionists were refugees, escaping persecution, but they didn't go just anywhere. Rettig Gur stresses how most early Jewish migrants to Palestine were refugees, not ideologues, but then makes the point how they weren't interested in going to Greece or somewhere else within the Ottoman empire - they wanted to go to Eretz Yisrael. They were refugees, but with a very specific destination in mind. His solution is for the Arabs to not see the conflict as a zero sum game, to see the Jews instead pitiful refugees, deserving of their compassion, not a free people with the right of determining their own destiny, deserving of respect. Rettig Gur doesn't mention it but the Arab world, at least least since the 1930s, under some influence from the Nazis, have seen the Jews as the power behind imperialism and communism, sort of uber imperialists who get the great powers to do the Jews bidding. That actually fits hand in glove with the idea that it is the feeling of humiliation from Islamic and Arab weakness in the face of the Jews' success, the uppity dhimmis who dare to claim title to something wakf, in Muslim domain, that continues the conflict. Perhaps the reason why the Palestinian elite has gone from seeing Russian, then British, then Communist, then British, French, and ultimately American imperialism behind the Jews is that they don't want to admit how that feeling of weakness undermines their religious faith as Muslims. Rather than address the fact that Zionism's success challenges some of their beliefs as Muslims they'd rather blame imperialism and colonialism. That those terms resonate with the academic world of the west allows them to avoid addressing those facts.

  • @taniajosefa

    @taniajosefa

    Ай бұрын

    As a Hebrew to English translator/editor I would advise you not to use transliterated Hebrew when writing in English except for proper nouns. The chug of the Vilna Gaon should be the circle of the Vilna Gaon. Making aliya should be immigrating. Eretz Yisrael should be the Land of Israel.

  • @CarsInDimension

    @CarsInDimension

    Ай бұрын

    @@taniajosefa You have a point, but what's wrong with expecting people to be somewhat literate about Jewish culture? Nobody demands that Arabic words like sharia and haj be translated. Why is it always, "The Temple Mount, what Muslims call Haram al Sharif," not "Har HaBayit, what Muslims call the Noble Sanctuary"?

  • @ef2718

    @ef2718

    Ай бұрын

    The first Zionist leader was prophet Moses AS, who led the Israelis back to Zion from Egypt some 3300 years ago. The second Zionist leader was Ezra the scriber 538 BCE.

  • @cliodyncycwatch924

    @cliodyncycwatch924

    Ай бұрын

    I appreciate your comments. I agree that it's a "false binary" to insist on exclusively either refugee or ideologue. Also good observation about Palestinian elites seeing Jews as agents and/or beneficiaries of foreign empires and ideologies. This is in alignment with the tendency for an Arab Muslim that's well educated in their history (by "Eastern" standards/traditions) to believe that the good times are when they are part of a strong caliphate. We westerners OTOH tend to "believe in" the nation-state (in a rules-based order) and consider their view retrograde.

  • @phyllisbarr4766

    @phyllisbarr4766

    Ай бұрын

    yep and we know 2 things...1. if the Jews aren't indigenous to the land of Israel then no group of people are indigenous to any land on earth 2. The land loves and responds to having its people back en masse, see how it florishes

  • @CotesDuQ
    @CotesDuQАй бұрын

    I saw him refer to much of this info in his interview on The Free Press but there is much more back story and detail here. Fascinating perspective.

  • @P_Izenberg
    @P_IzenbergАй бұрын

    great lecture and perspective. Waiting for the book!

  • @chaimhandler1
    @chaimhandler1Ай бұрын

    Were there two letters by Yusuf Khalidi in 1899, because I'm pretty certain that the letter dated March 1, 1899 was addressed to Rabbi Zadoc Kahn who was chief rabbi of France from 1889 to 1905, not to Theodor Herzl.

  • @mjcruiser4238
    @mjcruiser4238Ай бұрын

    W O W Terrific lecture -lots to think about on both sides

  • @MrMightyMido

    @MrMightyMido

    14 күн бұрын

    There are no two sides. There were innocent Jewish refugees manipulated and broken by the Imperial West and now they've picked the Imperialists baton in this delusional of self preservation is justification. Now the jailed has become the jailer. The oppressed has become the oppressor. Evil is evil. Don't get me wrong, as a Muslim I proudly say fuck Islamism and most certainly antisemitism. But what Israel is, that's just shameful.

  • @el_tejon383
    @el_tejon38320 сағат бұрын

    This lecture, especially from 1:22:00 on, and particularly about MLK at the end, is the best thing I have ever seen on KZread and the best thing I have ever listened to about the Arab-Israeli conflict.

  • @farcenter
    @farcenterАй бұрын

    Great teacher

  • @RMS255

    @RMS255

    Ай бұрын

    "great teacher" ?! Rather a stupid idiot...

  • @wolpumba4099
    @wolpumba409925 күн бұрын

    *Abstract* This lecture explores the Palestinian narrative of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, highlighting three recurring themes: betrayal by the Arab and Islamic world, the role of imperial patrons in supporting Israel, and the perception of Zionism as colonialism. The speaker argues that these themes, while not entirely accurate, are deeply ingrained in Palestinian history and understanding, shaping their strategies and hindering peace efforts. He concludes by proposing a "coercive nonviolent" approach inspired by Martin Luther King Jr., which acknowledges the validity of both sides' narratives and seeks a resolution based on mutual understanding and justice. *Palestinian Interpretation of History* * *0:41**:* The lecture aims to explain the Palestinian perspective on the conflict, emphasizing that their interpretation is not extremist, radical, or wrong, but based on their historical experiences. * *1:22**:* Three recurring themes in the Palestinian narrative are introduced: * Betrayal by the Arab and Islamic world * The role of imperial patrons in supporting Israel * The perception of Zionism as colonialism. *Theme 1: Betrayal by the Arab and Islamic World* * *25:40**:* Palestinians feel a sense of abandonment by the Arab and Islamic world, perceiving their weakness and inaction as a betrayal. * *26:18**:* This sentiment stems from the Ottoman Empire's inability to prevent Jewish immigration and the subsequent failures of Arab nations to effectively support Palestinians in conflicts with Israel. * *28:02**:* The speaker cites quotes from Ottoman leaders expressing concerns about the rising tide of Zionism and the potential threat it posed to the empire. *Theme 2: Imperial Patrons* * *1:07:16**:* Palestinians view Israel as consistently backed by powerful imperial patrons, initially the Russian Empire due to the influx of Russian Jewish immigrants. * *1:07:42**:* This perception extends to the British Empire during the Mandate period, then to Germany in the 1920s with the arrival of German-speaking Jews, and eventually to the United States from the 1970s onwards. * *1:11:37**:* The speaker discusses instances where Arab leaders attributed Israel's strength and survival to external support, such as Egypt's declaration of war in 1948 framed as a fight against "communist atheism." *Theme 3: Zionism as Colonialism* * *1:24:25**:* Palestinians perceive Zionism as a form of colonialism, drawing parallels with European imperial projects in other parts of the world. * *1:25:05**:* The speaker cites a footnote from an Israeli geographer who argues that Zionism resembles colonialism in various aspects but with key differences, such as the lack of a "colonial mother country" and the historical connection of Jews to the land. * *1:26:36**:* This perception of Zionism as colonialism fuels Palestinian resistance movements and shapes their strategies, including the BDS movement, which aims to isolate Israel on the international stage. *Towards a Resolution* * *1:31:59**:* The speaker critiques the "decolonization" rhetoric used by some activists, arguing that it misunderstands the nature of the conflict and reinforces the Palestinian misdiagnosis of Israel. * *1:32:07**:* He proposes a solution inspired by Martin Luther King Jr.'s concept of "coercive nonviolence," which involves acknowledging the legitimacy of both sides' narratives and seeking a resolution based on mutual understanding and justice. * *1:40:13**:* This approach requires a shift from a zero-sum mentality to recognizing the "tragic" nature of the conflict, where both sides have valid grievances and aspirations. * *1:42:29**:* The speaker suggests that by understanding the Jewish experience and the historical context of Zionism, Palestinians can move beyond their current narrative and engage in more constructive dialogue towards a peaceful resolution. i used gemini 1.5 pro to summarize the transcript Token count 25,277 / 1,048,576 =

  • @rashidjuma8076

    @rashidjuma8076

    20 күн бұрын

    2 point 1- Islam mentio. More than once but he never said any quote of what Islam itself said about jewish because he can't fight it . Or he do not want the student to look for it but mention leaders but why the leader or what is there teaching . 2- he put the poison in the drink and student and watcher drunk it without feeling it which is to prove without say it that jewis are the victim and only only only victim from England Germany arab . Every one solow it . Victim . Pluse he destruct the main issue which is occupation by who support who finance who armed despite he said immigrated,rescued as refuge one time and have legality to home hand and put the problem on the victim

  • @HerryNovri

    @HerryNovri

    9 күн бұрын

    ​@@rashidjuma8076you perfectly show what the lecturer said about how the Palestinians saw the conflict as zero sum... Which is actually not correct. The Jews returns to their ancestor land. This is fact, you don't agree. There is no stolen land. The land once belong to Ottomans, before that belong to other empires, after Ottoman, it was mandated to the British. It has never belong to the Palestinians. It is the fact. You don't agree. Palestinians has lived there. So they have right as well. This is fact. You only agree to this one. As long as you do not recognize that both the Jews and Arabs have rights to the land, then this is a zero sum conflict. The only solution is one of them completely cease to exist in the land. You know what? It will not be Israeli. Why? The Israelite will not leave the land before Damascus, Mecca, Cairo, Baghdad, Beirut and many other cities were also cease to exist. Why? They have nuclear weapon. Is it what Arab leaders one? If Israel have leader like Putin, they will finish the Palestinians in one week. This is the reality. You are free to reject the reality, but it will not change one. The reality is the reality. The Aborigines has effectively zero chance to remove Australia, so do the American Indians and the Palestinians. That what happened if you want to view this as zero sum conflict. If you see this as tragic conflict, and the Palestinians also do the same, then we can expect sometime in the future the solution.

  • @macbuff81
    @macbuff81Ай бұрын

    Great presentation. I loved college for these types of lectures. Nuance

  • @compovi8461
    @compovi8461Ай бұрын

    This lecturer was the first person I listened to who knew how terror organisations work and how they try to achieve their goals. And he did it with the example of martin luther king which to me was unexpected and new knowledge. That point was the hight of this lecture and I understand now why it has so much views. Many more Jews and Israelis need to listen to this lecture.

  • @joeyrufo

    @joeyrufo

    Ай бұрын

    Good news everyone! MLK fixed racism! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🙄🤦

  • @Daniel-zr9xq
    @Daniel-zr9xqАй бұрын

    Thank you Sir, its a wonderful lecture, spot on and right in every sense. bravo

  • @danielpincus221
    @danielpincus221Ай бұрын

    I'd be interested to watch a panel discussion with the scholar along with Hanan Ashrawi, Benny Morris, Ilan Pappé, and Rashid Khalidi.

  • @TheShacharZiv

    @TheShacharZiv

    Ай бұрын

    Me too, but I suspect Khalidi and Pappe will not take part in anything with Morris. For many years I've been waiting on a chance to clarify specific points of difference between them but it doesn't seem like they're interested in that.

  • @jaialaiwarrior

    @jaialaiwarrior

    Ай бұрын

    Ilan Pappe is a communist. Rashid Khalidi is very self-satisfied with his wacky colonialism (without a Metropole) narrative. Hanan Ashrawi is a politician and propagandist. Morris is the only honest one among the bunch and knows better than to indulge at least two of not all three of the others.

  • @subchan6595

    @subchan6595

    Ай бұрын

    they are not scholars. Scholars are people with a rigourous approach to historical fact, not political and emotionally driven bias.

  • @bluebee5266

    @bluebee5266

    Ай бұрын

    Seriously you put those pseudo-scholars in the same category?

  • @tim789jesus

    @tim789jesus

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@subchan6595 So who are the scholars?

  • @dannyhughes4889
    @dannyhughes4889Ай бұрын

    Such a shame that we didn't hear the audience interaction loud and clear.

  • @dialectic76
    @dialectic7622 күн бұрын

    What is the question around 43:00 where he says, I don't want to get into it, but wikipedia is your friend. It's something about the San Remo conference.

  • @Obsessedandstuff
    @Obsessedandstuff17 күн бұрын

    didn't mean to watch almost two hour long lecture rn but omg was that interesting

  • @RacetasClub
    @RacetasClub11 күн бұрын

    Seeing all of these hate comments I am fully convinced the vast majority either did not listen to the lecture or clearly did not take the time to fully grasp and understand it

  • @mznxbcv12345

    @mznxbcv12345

    6 күн бұрын

    "Mostly civilians" - Incorrect On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel They are following scripture, the word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”-1 Samuel 15:3 “Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.” -Jeremiah 6:11 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.” -Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” Another account by a chronicler and eyewitness-priest, Albert of Aachen, describes the killing of fleeing women, and depicts crusaders as:: “seizing [infants who were still suckling] by the soles of their feet from their mothers’ laps or their cradles…and dashing them against the walls or lintels of the doors and breaking their necks […] they were sparing absolutely no gentile of any age or kind.”The incoherence inherent in a stranger to Abraham calling the children of Abraham gentiles notwithstanding, this account evokes the very same Psalm 137:9 imprecation against Babylon, in Latin, “beatus qui tenebit et adlidet parvulos tuos ad petram.” This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): "includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit." This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship." It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah: حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ» "Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries" حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ» سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ» "The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly" This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them. The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.

  • @Brianbeesandbikes

    @Brianbeesandbikes

    2 күн бұрын

    I fully get this, and thats why I push this pov: Israel is the Frankenstein creation of brit, usa, 3rd reich and upperclass secular politically extremist german jews who colluded to get 60K jews installed in Arab-dominated Palestine where brit mercenaries taught those jews how to expel and terrorize Arabs with a tactic infamously documented as Rise and Kill First. Here's what Israel's founding father said of Israel's core mission to push Palestinians out: “The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war.” David Ben-Gurion, founder of Israel Amer Police get trained with IDF -How Israel Trains U.S. Police kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4OewZhmqJnVfso.html -How the US and Israel exchange tactics in violence and control. Two decades of Israeli-US police cooperation includes training in racial profiling and violent suppression of protests. www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/12/how-the-us-and-israel-exchange-tactics-in-violence-and-control -usa police received training on domestic ‘Muslim extremists’ from pro-Israel groups www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/08/us-police-agencies-idf-files-blueleaks -US and Israeli Police Share Violent and Repressive Tactics The exchange programs have been devastating for both communities of color in the US and Palestinians. truthout.org/articles/us-and-israeli-police-are-sharing-violent-and-repressive-tactics Israeli Growing Opposition to Their Genocide -Documentary on 1sraelis disillusioned by Zionist Abuses. Israelism kinema.com/films/israelism-jvor8l -Majority of Israelis mistrust Gaza resettlement plans thecradle.co/articles-id/24524 Waves of Senior Israel Army Officers Resign www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240304-israel-sees-wave-of-senior-israeli-army-officers-resign/ --Israeli Hostage Reveals Hamas Guards Protected Captive Iraelis from Bombs with Their Bodies www.palestinechronicle.com/our-guards-in-gaza-protected-us-from-bombing-with-their-bodies-freed-israeli-captive -Over 50 1sraeli S0ldiers Come Forward to Expose their Truths kzread.info/dash/bejne/pp2m18mvesbFkco.html -Israeli General Admits to How Occupation is Destroying Israel kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKNo0KSJmcrAqJc.html -How Israeli Soldiers are Dehumanized to Commit Terror kzread.info/dash/bejne/kY13s7iYmbitgqg.html - Israeli Amits Objective is to Exterminate all Palestinians kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4GNlryan8nSfsY.html -Amer Israelis have rights but Amer Palis and other nationalities have none kzread.info8p_MYB9l_LE -Israeli Teens Choose Jail and Death Threats Over Military Service kzread.infoeVnNtCUxoPs - Israeli Perspective Of Netanyahu’s Support of Hamas That’s Blown Up In Our Faces. www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces -David Ben-Gurion admits zionism 1) is secular and 2) was opposed by religious jews: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ip-uo9eOYrGtXbQ.html and www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-04-24/ty-article-opinion/.premium/secular-zionist-david-ben-gurion-the-messianic-jew/00000187-afa8-d3b7-abcf-bfecf1a80000 -Rabbi Exposes how Zionism is anti Jewish kzread.infouOvP3J3QBtU -Israeli Explains Israel’s Three Legal Levels of Discrimination facebook.com/reel/883947676410782 -Israeli Vets Describe the Horrific Crimes they Committed kzread.info/dash/bejne/ip6I2qaSpLHOntI.html -Israeli Women Soldiers Give Shocking Testimonies About Their Army Experiences kzread.info/dash/bejne/nH1q1Lainc7Meqg.html Former Israeli Soldier Exposes IDF War Crimes kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoatpMOJm8ewj8Y.html - This Is How AWFUL Israeli Settlers Really Are kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKxl0ZSGhKjdh8o.html - Traumatized IDF Soldier audio facebook.com/reel/6810986008992544?mibextid=LwY44L ++++

  • @ennisel
    @enniselАй бұрын

    The whole thing was a blaady mess for real, it started off as political where the Russian Jews who immigrated, fleeing as refugees were in fact pillared between posts really; of the Ottoman demise, which wasn’t their fault and the British, then the religious argument came in to support and validate the narrative. At this juncture in history the wise should see though, that both peoples are there to stay and should strive to live in peace like the majority of Arabs in Israel, or just stay in their territory, cause the war(s) is over and we all need to live.

  • @ef2718

    @ef2718

    Ай бұрын

    Both sides: Arabs against Jews Muslims against Jews 21 Arab countries against Israel 56 Muslim countries against Israel Islam vs. Judaism Shia vs. Sunni Iran vs. Turkey vs. KSA vs. Egypt USSR/Russia vs. USA East vs. West Partial list of drivers of this conflict

  • @el_tejon383
    @el_tejon38321 сағат бұрын

    1:25:54 what is the original footnote (is he speaking of Gideon Levy?) and the Alex Yakobson quote? Links please!

  • @cheshbon2

    @cheshbon2

    13 сағат бұрын

    This horse is a duck. Apart from the fact that it has hooves instead of crusts and mouth instead of beak and is from the mammal department and not a chicken and is the size of a horse and not a duck and has fur and not feathers - besides it is totally a duck. It really matters who invented this nonsense?

  • @el_tejon383

    @el_tejon383

    13 сағат бұрын

    @@cheshbon2 yeah, I want to see the source! Ducks have crusts?

  • @cheshbon2

    @cheshbon2

    12 сағат бұрын

    @@el_tejon383 Yes. These bastards have pieces of skin between their fingers. I swear.😀. Anyway the quote is from one guy named Alex Yacobson. Doctor of History at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Don't know exactly from where. Probably from one of his books.

  • @Lumbergh42
    @Lumbergh429 күн бұрын

    So do I crank up the audio to hear the students or do I lower it to make the speaker's yelling more bearable, hmmm

  • @jeffspicolli593

    @jeffspicolli593

    7 күн бұрын

    Distraction/projecting.

  • @daveking3494
    @daveking34945 күн бұрын

    today in Germany I just bought 20 Haas avocados from Israel and there are a lot of other fruits and vegetables from Israel on the shelves. How is it that it’s such a problem to get food to the Palestinians our Israel food supply here in Germany still works great?

  • @katherinekeyser7382

    @katherinekeyser7382

    2 күн бұрын

    One thing that I gather are the powers that be, forbid any product from Israel... Of course they're ignorant of the products used daily are Israeli. Medical etc

  • @lebojay

    @lebojay

    Күн бұрын

    The avocados got to you because you were willing to pay for them. There’s always enough food in the world to feed all the starving people, all of them. We just don’t care enough to get the food to them when we can sell it instead. To be fair, though, Hamas is incompetent. They couldn’t effectively distribute food among their people even if they wanted to, which I don’t think they do. The suffering of their own people serves Hamas’s purpose. Their leaders say that taking care of Gazans is the job of Israel and the UN, not Hamas. When those are your (elected!) leaders, you’re going to go hungry.

  • @aligned4good
    @aligned4goodАй бұрын

    Very informative. Thank you 🙏

  • @Heddyconfetti

    @Heddyconfetti

    Ай бұрын

    Informative? You mean manipulative.

  • @aligned4good

    @aligned4good

    Ай бұрын

    @@Heddyconfettitell me how?

  • @amitophir

    @amitophir

    Ай бұрын

    @@aligned4good Because he used facts and constructed a reasonable story where the Zionists are not pure evil. If you really want to learn the true history, I suggest you ignore all that Zionist propaganda and only consider pro-Palestinian sources.

  • @ethanadkins5638
    @ethanadkins563824 күн бұрын

    This is a really great lecture. I appreciate it.

  • @sandy-jn5rd
    @sandy-jn5rd3 күн бұрын

    1:02 back in college, we had to prepare for debates without knowing which side we’d take, bec we pick straws at the last minute. So we had to prep for both sides, which is eye-opening bec it forces students to shift POV either way. In the end we understand both sides a bit deeper.

  • @gypsymiller3683
    @gypsymiller3683Ай бұрын

    I had a significant shift of perspective with this lecture. It should be replayed again and again and heard by everyone playing a zero sum game.

  • @termination9353

    @termination9353

    Ай бұрын

    Revisionist history propaganda.

  • @jv004k

    @jv004k

    Ай бұрын

    @terminator you’re a knucklehead and didn’t listen to the video

  • @GardenerGeorge

    @GardenerGeorge

    Ай бұрын

    @@jv004kSorry it is very possible ( likely even , if one has no pre existing bias ) to listen to this lecture and find it lacking in logic and purposefully omitting facts .

  • @davidchin1828

    @davidchin1828

    Ай бұрын

    @@GardenerGeorge how so? just curious? He seems to work hard trying to look at issues as they were understood at the times, rather that looking a back and making broad assumptions that is a huge problem in contemporary news coverage

  • @herzl67

    @herzl67

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@termination9353Red army slogans are so dated. Totalitarian demonization tactics in absence of arguments.

  • @user-mv2nv6rd9b
    @user-mv2nv6rd9bАй бұрын

    Thank you for your introduction!! It is beautiful to hear Jews, such wonderful people & culture address our problematic present. I am a gentile. I have a reverence for Judaism. But I have deep problems with contemporary Israel. Thank you so much for allowing comments. God have mercy on us all. It will the first words from all our lips: "mercy Lord!".

  • @phyllisbarr4766

    @phyllisbarr4766

    Ай бұрын

    lol what problems do you have with "contemporary" Israel?

  • @Sl1pstreams

    @Sl1pstreams

    Ай бұрын

    @@phyllisbarr4766He is likely one of those gentiles who thinks we are beautiful and dignified when we stoically walk into the cattle cars, but has problems when we defend ourselves.

  • @thethirdchimpanzee

    @thethirdchimpanzee

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Sl1pstreams Yes. EVERYBODY who has ANY criticism of the actions of the Israeli government under Netanyahu is antisemitic, and wants to see Israel destroyed - even the many *Jews* who oppose the policies towards the Palestinians are antisemitic "self-hating Jews", even those who are *Jewish Israeli citizens* and protest the war are antisemites!! You can't just go crying "Antisemites!" everytime someone criticisms the Israeli government. Because eventually, just like the "Boy Who Cried Wolf", nobody is going to believe you anymore. "Defend ourselves". Yea, and how many more Gazan children have to die until you feel safe? Obviously the 10,000+ (probably closer to 20,000) aren't enough, so can you give me a rough estimate of how many more need die? Or maybe you are on the side of those like Jared Kushner or those within the Likud Party who want to see the IDF "Finish the job" and free up all of that "Valuable real estate" in Gaza for "development" of "Jewish settlements". Which is the literal definition of "ethnic cleansing"!!

  • @phyllisbarr4766

    @phyllisbarr4766

    Ай бұрын

    reminds me of the cartoon with the hamasshole guy holding with a sign that says kill all Jews and a baby that is hostage and an intermediary sitting between them and Netanyahu the intermediary asks Netanayahu...Can't you meet them half way? @@Sl1pstreams

  • @Undoublethinkful

    @Undoublethinkful

    Ай бұрын

    @@phyllisbarr4766 Well it was founded on massive land theft, expulsions and atrocities. And it continues inflicting atrocities, and some of its ministers now are explicitly planning and advocating seizing the rest of the land. But to recognize any of this you have to recognize the humanity of the people this was imposed upon. Zionists have a LOT of trouble recognizing the humanity of the Palestinian people.

  • @swarming1092
    @swarming10922 күн бұрын

    Watching this again for maybe the seventh time, I'm convinced that Haviv Rettig Gur should simply be put in charge of Israel for a 5-year term. Just a profound level of empathy, historical knowledge, balance and context. The Palestinians are not stupid or wrong or completely invalid! They have a legitimate claim to a state of their own! But they need a leadership capable of articulating that in a way which acknowledges that Israel is going nowhere.

  • @bottlebrushmedia
    @bottlebrushmedia9 күн бұрын

    extraordinary!!! I love Haviv.Such an amazing explainer of our history. This was outstanding.

  • @petertigchelaar1383
    @petertigchelaar1383Ай бұрын

    This is so insightful and helpful for this Canadian trying to better understand the current conflict in Israel and Gaza-so I've subscribed! Would it be possible to have future lectures include the students' comments that are off mic? They're also insightful, and not hearing them fully interrupts the flow of the lecture. Stay true!

  • @Evanroz
    @EvanrozАй бұрын

    That was a masterclass in presentation of facts and an explanation that that addresses the major points that have been repeated by the ignorant masses for 5 months. Haviv has done his duty in promoting truth, defending Judaism, revealing the weakness of Islam, and showing all the reasons and assumptions that the pro-Hamas population make as rooted in their campaign for injustice. This should be required viewing for anyone who wishes to debate the existence of the state of Israel.

  • @IshaqIbrahim3

    @IshaqIbrahim3

    Ай бұрын

    Is this true or false?

  • @ricksmithguitar

    @ricksmithguitar

    Ай бұрын

    Anyone with the agenda of defending the state of Israel is by definition presenting a biased view. Point: no state has a’right’ to exist, including Israel. Like the United States it’s a state founded a settler colonial state who expressed aim since the outset of Zionism is the expulsion of the indigenous people to form a Theocracy. Any attempt to portray it as anything else is disingenuous. Now they’ve sufficiently programmed the younger generation so that nice suburban Israeli young people drop bombs on civilians from drones and experience no guilt like a video game. Disgusting.

  • @galuhnoormalisa8349

    @galuhnoormalisa8349

    Ай бұрын

    state of israel even is just a secular capitalist state just like a mini US.. not based on Judaism. Before 1917, Palestinian consisting peaceful living palestinian Jew, palestinian muslim, Palestinian christian. And then starting milions of european refugees (some are illegal by the British) came to Palestinian Territory start to displace indigenous palestinian homes and land both by forceful and intimidating buying land or illegally stole homes.. UP UNTIL NOW. Its up to you to free yourself from chronic cognitive dissonance or comfortfully living in the Zionist Doctrine through your life, just listen the "if i say so, believe me" style with Zionist source only and stopping yourself to always question n verify everything. If you really seek the truth, its available in every form, from Britannica Ensiclopedia book or webbased, UN source, Documentary from european journalist esp DW of you like from UK and Eouropean. And theres many more. DONT STOP QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

  • @BiharyGabor

    @BiharyGabor

    Ай бұрын

    What do you mean by "defending Judaism"? What does Judaism has to do with Israel? Zionism and then Israel were founded by non-religious Jews.

  • @Silly.Old.Sisyphus

    @Silly.Old.Sisyphus

    Ай бұрын

    Judaism is not truth. It is a political myth-doctrine, derived from earlier Mesapotamian and Canaanite myth-doctrines, explained in detail in "Why Man Created God", which should be required viewing for anyone who wishes to debate the existence of the state of mind that wants to believe in an all-powerful cloud-riding warrior god. Islam is derived from Judaism, and shares all its weaknesses.

  • @dimitrioskantakouzinos8590
    @dimitrioskantakouzinos85903 күн бұрын

    In Israel, even journalists have honesty and can make sense. Very different in Europe.

  • @victorleonades4159
    @victorleonades4159Ай бұрын

    Congratulations !! Amazing historical timeline and comments..

  • @brianlevy4619
    @brianlevy4619Ай бұрын

    He has got it about right with the exception of Sinai war of 1956 which was really about Israel's nuclear project. Israel's price for participation per declassified documents was heavy water from the British !

  • @fgarrison2910

    @fgarrison2910

    17 күн бұрын

    Can you link info about this? Do you mind. Interested!

  • @godotkrull579
    @godotkrull579Ай бұрын

    thx for having this public, great speaker, very interesting content...

  • @gruweldaad
    @gruweldaadКүн бұрын

    This was so fascinating.

  • @alanlazarus5171
    @alanlazarus51716 күн бұрын

    The author Relandi[1], a real scholar, geographer, cartographer and well known philologist, spoke perfect Hebrew, Arabic and ancient Greek, as well as the European languages. The book was written in Latin. In 1695 he was sent on a sightseeing tour to Israel, at that time known as Palestina. In his travels he surveyed approximately 2500 places where people lived that were mentioned in the bible or Mishnah. His research method was interesting. He first mapped the Land of Israel. Secondly, Relandi identifies each of the places mentioned in the Mishnah or Talmud along with their original source. If the source was Jewish, he listed it together with the appropriate sentence in the Holy Scriptures. If the source was Roman or Greek he presented the connection in Greek or Latin. Thirdly, he also arranged a population survey and census of each community. His most prominent conclusions 1. Not one settlement in the Land of Israel has a name that is of Arabic origin. Most of the settlement names originate in the Hebrew, Greek, Latin or Roman languages. In fact, till today, except to Ramlah, not one Arabic settlement has an original Arabic name. Till today, most of the settlements names are of Hebrew or Greek origin, the names distorted to senseless Arabic names. There is no meaning in Arabic to names such as Acco (Acre), Haifa, Jaffa, Nablus, Gaza, or Jenin and towns named Ramallah, El Halil and El-Kuds (Jerusalem) lack historical roots or Arabic philology. In 1696, the year Relandi toured the land, Ramallah, for instance, was called Bet’allah (From the Hebrew name Beit El) and Hebron was called Hebron (Hevron) and the Arabs called Mearat HaMachpelah El Chalil, their name for the Forefather Abraham. Excerpt from "A tour and census of Palestine 1695" by Adriaan Relandi Most of the land was empty, desolate, and the inhabitants few in number and mostly concentrate in the towns Jerusalem, Acco, Tzfat, Jaffa, Tiberius and Gaza. Most of the inhabitants were Jews and the rest Christians. There were few Muslims, mostly nomad Bedouins. Nablus, known as Shchem, was exceptional, where approximately 120 people, members of the Muslim Natsha family and approximately 70 Shomronites, lived. In the Galilee capital, Nazareth, lived approximately 700 Christians and in Jerusalem approximately 5000 people, mostly Jews and some Christians. The interesting part was that Relandi mentioned the Muslims as nomad Bedouins who arrived in the area as construction and agriculture labor reinforcement, seasonal workers.

  • @roniberahaquartet477
    @roniberahaquartet477Ай бұрын

    Hm this thinking about the Soviets giving the arms .You forgot that the arms are from Nazi era in Czechoslovakia and that Tito landed some airplanes who crossed Yugoslav airspace with those arms .

  • @edithslawik6393
    @edithslawik6393Ай бұрын

    Glad that there are some teachers left in this world, eager to make others to research and learn thinking and acting upgrade in many regards. What he says about MLK is what I was scorned for 45 years ago, when I told my not white colored friends in th US-Army just the same.

  • @technopainting1010
    @technopainting101017 күн бұрын

    Such an important lecture! Should be sent to all the "Talking Heads" mumbling the same historically incorrect points on every platform.

  • @jellyrcw12
    @jellyrcw12Ай бұрын

    Incredible lecture!

  • @columlynch4229
    @columlynch4229Ай бұрын

    Reconciliation for both sides can only happen when one tries to stand in the others shoes . Even for five minutes but atleast it's a start. Might and more violence never has and never will bring peace..I get it.

  • @ef2718

    @ef2718

    Ай бұрын

    Both sides: Arabs against Jews Muslims against Jews 21 Arab countries against Israel 56 Muslim countries against Israel Islam vs. Judaism Shia vs. Sunni Iran vs. Turkey vs. KSA vs. Egypt USSR/Russia vs. USA East vs. West Partial list of drivers of this conflict

  • @ftftyffghfvghfcht6701

    @ftftyffghfvghfcht6701

    Ай бұрын

    the only obstacle to peace is israeli refusal to concessions. imagine taking 90+% of the land in that way and then calling the other side unreasonable

  • @elli6220

    @elli6220

    Ай бұрын

    @@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 Israel only wants, at most, 20% of the land.

  • @user-uz7dm6qn3y

    @user-uz7dm6qn3y

    24 күн бұрын

    @@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 The solution for peace is that the Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians," go back to being Arabs, and enjoy the 22 countries created for them by the British and French.

  • @neshirst-ashuach1881

    @neshirst-ashuach1881

    19 күн бұрын

    Lol what? This may be the most inane comment I've ever read. Israel refuses to negotiate? Israel spent decades offering Palestinians peace deals and then being spat on (and raped and murdered). Whilst the Palestinians refused to offer anything that wasn't "die please". The entire reason Israel controls more territory today (like the west bank) is that the Palestinians refused to accept any seperation of lands, and then tried to invade Israel to commit genocide against the Jews. Hell, just in the last few years we've had the Trump peace deal (very stupid, but whatever) that Israel accepted - and the Palestinians rejected without even being willing to negotiate! The same as the previous Clinton offer before that, the Omert offer etc. The entire reason Bibi got elected, and that the left wing in Israeli politics disappeared, was because Israel made insane sacrifices for peace and they backfired spectacularly. Dear lord, Israel gave up more than 75% of its territory for a peace deal with Egypt decades ago, and unilaterally pulled out of Gaza to give the Paleatinians a state! Jews were literally dragged kicking and screaming from their homes as a peace offering to the murderous Paleatinian barbarians, and yet all it bought was a Palestinian civil war, and then Gaza becoming a Muslim fanataic hellhole that constantly launches missiles at Israel - appeasment failed. The Palestinians have literally never offered a single peace deal! Not once! And yet you want Israel to offer, what, the 9th? Oh yeah, great plan! And the reason for this is incredibly simple. The Palestinians firmly believe they are winning. Its really that simple. Survey after survey, going back decades, finds 80%+ belief that Iarael will be destroyed and the Palestinians will win. Why negotiate when you're winning? Fortunately this latest war offers a glimmer of hope - belief that they will win has fallen to around 50% in the latest surveys, and not-by-coincidence, support for a two state soloution is the highest its ever been. Ironically, Israel offering yet another absurdly generous offer would be seen by Palestinians as weakness, and would massively reduce support for a peace deal.

  • @vladimirioffe4237
    @vladimirioffe4237Ай бұрын

    Very interesting presentation, but hard to listen on the internet in the way he is presenting: asking repeatedly questions from the audience; very loudly at times presenting material…. May be it is good to listen inside room, but not convenient for outside listener.

  • @kendread55

    @kendread55

    Ай бұрын

    I had exactly the same problem

  • @skybellau

    @skybellau

    Ай бұрын

    The verbal bombing was ridiculous. Worst teaching method I've EVER heard.

  • @lizberezin2919

    @lizberezin2919

    Ай бұрын

    I would be ok if we could hear what the students were saying, very difficult without this.

  • @intuitionist1

    @intuitionist1

    Ай бұрын

    It is an indoctrination technique - which apparently works quite well with these naive children

  • @Stardust475

    @Stardust475

    Ай бұрын

    Just appreciate their uploading something primarily for students. Have you seen the old JP uni lectures?

  • @gilaschannel1855
    @gilaschannel1855Ай бұрын

    Very interesting and informative.

  • @rkdb99
    @rkdb9922 күн бұрын

    Incredible, thank you Haviv.

  • @annehalpin8516
    @annehalpin851621 күн бұрын

    If you know the Palestinian story why not use that knowledge to work toward peace?

  • @eze2167

    @eze2167

    12 күн бұрын

    I agree with that but it’s just not realistically feasible. One of the issues I’ve observed is who are the people talking and willing to accept that ignorance (lack of knowledge) is present on both sides. So will I also think peace is possible the work to do so is not set in place based on current events. If anything people (youth especially) are becoming polarized. We need more voices highlighting the reconciliation approach!

  • @BigB29357

    @BigB29357

    7 күн бұрын

    Because their ideas of peace are eerily similar to the peace of the Third Reich. But steamier. As in 10.7.

  • @BigB29357

    @BigB29357

    7 күн бұрын

    What do you mean they don't know? They made MENA Jews refugees by the million! On purpose. Expecting the refugees to topple the fledgling with sheer numbers.

  • @BigB29357

    @BigB29357

    7 күн бұрын

    These Elites are no more numerous than the Jewish elites of Odessa which moved to the Land of Israel.

  • @itsacomment5991
    @itsacomment5991Ай бұрын

    Thank you for this fascinating lecture. As an American liberal who is not Jewish, but one who is a strong supporter of Israel, I am acutely aware that prevalent anti-Israel narratives ignore and distort the complicated history of the region. I've learned enough over the years to know that there is a great deal of misrepresentation of this history. There was a lot to absorb in this lecture, so I will bookmark and review it as a reference for further reading.

  • @usjtraffic

    @usjtraffic

    Ай бұрын

    Very much agree.

  • @merbst

    @merbst

    Ай бұрын

    History of Israel is not so complicated, the Zionists are the oppressors, the Palestineans are the oppressed. As the oppressors, the Zionists need hasbara lies like these to bury the shame that they suppress about the pogroms against the Palestineans.

  • @michellenorris8471

    @michellenorris8471

    Ай бұрын

    Read better history.

  • @THE-COOL-GIRL-CHANNEL

    @THE-COOL-GIRL-CHANNEL

    Ай бұрын

    TOO BAD ISRAEL ISN`T A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE JEWS., JEWS WHO THE IDF KILL FOR SPORT kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZ53ksGsp7zIhJc.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5hkj7GxfrLFkrQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/gHifk7asgbrTfNI.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGpn0M-fkqy7cqQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZeEx7SMhsq7oLQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJ57rpKBdrfNmbg.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lox-qtiJp5TZnag.html www.mintpressnews.com/newly-released-fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/258581/ kzread.info/dash/bejne/lIZ7ucaod92_j6Q.html

  • @termination9353

    @termination9353

    Ай бұрын

    Hello-Im the Moschiach. I'm willing to declare all Pallestinians descendants of Jacob's twelve sons and are therefore just as rightfully heirs to the Holy Land as equal citizens.... One State Solution.

  • @human8807
    @human880711 күн бұрын

    I agree with you that early Jews came to Palestine as refugees. However, that fact doesn't diminish the ultimate goal of "state building." Imagine Syrian refugees in Canada participating in a project to establish a Syrian state within Canada, or even attempting to take over the entire country. In such a scenario, the refugee narrative might not carry much weight in people's minds. What you've mentioned doesn't alter the reality that Palestinians were displaced from their lands, whether through coercion or other means, just as Jews residing in Arab-speaking countries faced similar challenges. I personally believe that nationalistic endeavors should be understood within their specific historical contexts, particularly in Western Europe before and during early modernity. These efforts have often failed to establish cohesive and functional nations elsewhere in the world. I think I would strongly support Israel if it transitioned towards a multicultural, non-nationalistic identity (in other words, not solely a Jewish state or engineering the demographics to achieve so). Now, regarding colonization and imperialism, it's irrelevant who the patron is if the outcome is a society that restricts immigration based on ethnicity and excludes certain ethnic groups from military service. That's not a favorable scenario. Having said that, Jews have every right to live in Israel/Palestine, as long as the country upholds the human rights of its indigenous population, whether that population is Jewish or Arab.

  • @sandy-jn5rd

    @sandy-jn5rd

    3 күн бұрын

    Syrians in Canada not analogous to Jews in Israel…. more like French Canadians going back to France and reclaiming their lost lands, if Canada persecutes them. something like that.

  • @richardmullins44
    @richardmullins4425 күн бұрын

    (clipped from Naomi Klein's book). Hitler claimed it was now Germany’s turn to engage in cleansings and mass relocations on its own frontier. “There is only one task: To set about the Germanization of the land by bringing in Germans and to regard the indigenous inhabitants as Indians,” Hitler said in 1941.

  • @user-yz2pp9uu8f
    @user-yz2pp9uu8fАй бұрын

    Funny how he left out the most important piece of context: the colonial movement in the world. Why would Ben Gurion cooperate specifically with the two largest colonial powers at the time? Literally none of what he said is important. True yes, but merely details that distract from the problem: colonialism.

  • @shamim621

    @shamim621

    Ай бұрын

    Exactly 💯

  • @kylenathan2256

    @kylenathan2256

    Ай бұрын

    You have to consider Jewish indignity in the land. The presence of Arabs in Israel/Palestine is also due to colonialism. Jews receiving aid from one colonial power in order to return to lands they lost to colonialism certainly can’t be viewed as a unique sin, unmatched by the Palestinians. Recency bias clouds judgement

  • @ef2718

    @ef2718

    Ай бұрын

    Jews colonizing Jewdea is an oxymoronic statement. De-colonization of Jewdea would be a better description.

  • @shamim621

    @shamim621

    Ай бұрын

    Even the founders of zionism knew it was a settler colonial entity.

  • @ef2718

    @ef2718

    Ай бұрын

    @@shamim621 The first leader who led the Israelis back to Zion was Prophet Moses AS, he is the founder of Zionism.

  • @gemmalee3032
    @gemmalee3032Ай бұрын

    good teacher, very engaging - has shown how strong, solid, purposive, and morally clear the Jews were, and still are.

  • @alessandramaffilippi3080
    @alessandramaffilippi3080Ай бұрын

    Lectio magistralis. You have the gift of capturing the big picture and offer an interesting and non-obvious point of view about the story. Follow you is like galloping on the back of history. I've only a question: how did Izz al-Dīn al-Qassām lead the Arab revolt if he died on November 19, 1935, killed by the British? The Arab Revolt broke out the following year, precisely following the death of al-Qassām, and although his death was a pretext because discontent had been brewing for some time, how can a dead man lead a revolt? Thanks for a reply.

  • @MaryamofShomal
    @MaryamofShomalАй бұрын

    This was the greatest lecture I’ve ever watched about Israeli history! And I didn’t know until the end that it was for American Jews on their birthright trip, that is so amazing 😍 I’m going to go read his work and watch his lectures, wow wish I had him as a professor! As an Iranian, an American, a Christian, and a human: I stand with Israel, and always will, as do my fellow Iranians. Iranians forever stand with our Israeli and Jewish brothers and sisters 🙏🏽

  • @marilepine1

    @marilepine1

    28 күн бұрын

    Iranians stand with Israel? I don't think so , they're about tô get in a war right now!

  • @ppetal1
    @ppetal1Ай бұрын

    It's the rest of the world you need to worry about now.

  • @Bell_plejdo568p

    @Bell_plejdo568p

    Ай бұрын

    What do u have to worry about the rest of the word for

  • @stephenjohnstone8812

    @stephenjohnstone8812

    18 күн бұрын

    @@Bell_plejdo568p Because the rest of the world now knows the truth about Israel, Israel will never, ever be the same again. Israel will never be at peace as long as it mistreats the indigenous people of the land it stole. Israelis are now seen as liken to Nazis and Nazi sympathisers; cruelty personified.

  • @RacetasClub

    @RacetasClub

    11 күн бұрын

    @@Bell_plejdo568p I assume the radicalization that takes place and the growing support towards terrorism and growing anti-semitic trends.

  • @gary100dm
    @gary100dmАй бұрын

    What about Kemal Ataturk and the movement for secularism?

  • @glennlgg6871

    @glennlgg6871

    Ай бұрын

    What still remains of that?

  • @zragowsk
    @zragowsk26 күн бұрын

    This is amazing - should have greater reach

  • @jonvelde5730
    @jonvelde5730Ай бұрын

    This is like hearing half of a telephone conversation. Maddening if you want to know exactly what's happening.

  • @termination9353

    @termination9353

    Ай бұрын

    Hello-Im the Moschiach. I'm willing to declare all Pallestinians descendants of Jacob's twelve sons and are therefore just as rightfully heirs to the Holy Land as equal citizens.... One State Solution.

  • @taylorbarrett384

    @taylorbarrett384

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@termination9353You didn't listen to the lecture. The Zionists didn't come because they thought God gave them the land. They were mostly agnostic secularists, refugees persecuted around the world who needed a homeland. A one state solution ignores the need for the Jews to have a safe haven (and history proves they do), as well as the fact that the Palestinians have proven themselves unwilling to live in peace alongside Jews.

  • @nousername1586

    @nousername1586

    Ай бұрын

    Oh you're an expert on the subject? Pray enlighten us what's missing.

  • @RacetasClub

    @RacetasClub

    11 күн бұрын

    @@nousername1586 He can't, bashing the side you are against is just so much more convenient

  • @Madmen604
    @Madmen604Ай бұрын

    Excellent lecture!!!

  • @adamredwine774
    @adamredwine77410 күн бұрын

    Fantastic talk. Haviv is an incredible intellect.

  • @ibrahimanan1874
    @ibrahimanan1874Ай бұрын

    Even in the novel by writer David Grossman, called (The Smile of the Lamb), which revolves around the Israeli (Uri), who serves in the Israeli army in the West Bank. He discovers the truth about the practices against Palestinian civilians and is shocked because he did not know anything about what is happening in the occupied Palestinian territories. The novel depicts the emergence of an extremist movement against Israel that is also hostile To the (Palestine Liberation Organization), but it more brutal, when there was only PLO. This novel was published in the 1983 same year in which the author gave birth to his son, Uri, who is the same name as the hero of the novel. During the Israeli war in Lebanon, David Grossman’s son, Uri, was killed by an extremist party, Hezbolla The resemblance to Hamas, which did not exist when the novel was published, is a kind of painful, rhetorical prophecy.

  • @abouzrawmd
    @abouzrawmdАй бұрын

    make arabic translation please

  • @marciateperman8811
    @marciateperman8811Ай бұрын

    Good work Avi!!!!

  • @IshaqIbrahim3

    @IshaqIbrahim3

    Ай бұрын

    Is this true or false? Unit 8200

  • @barrybkopicz2845

    @barrybkopicz2845

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@IshaqIbrahim3True

  • @nohisocitutampoc2789
    @nohisocitutampoc2789Ай бұрын

    Just amazing. I have seen the entire speech in a session. I would like to know more thing about the scholar. I insist, incredible.

  • @kincso1855
    @kincso1855Ай бұрын

    Bojler eladó! (for the algorithm ;) ) Thank you.

  • @Federico-kh4br
    @Federico-kh4brАй бұрын

    Not quite sure if you really read some of the Palestinian thinkers. . . . .

  • @BallawdeQuincewold

    @BallawdeQuincewold

    Ай бұрын

    Can you say more? What'd he get wrong

  • @Brianbeesandbikes

    @Brianbeesandbikes

    2 күн бұрын

    @@BallawdeQuincewold This: Israel is the Frankenstein creation of brit, usa, 3rd reich and upperclass secular politically extremist german jews who colluded to get 60K jews installed in Arab-dominated Palestine where brit mercenaries taught those jews how to expel and terrorize Arabs with a tactic infamously documented as Rise and Kill First. Here's what Israel's founding father said of Israel's core mission to push Palestinians out: “The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war.” David Ben-Gurion, founder of Israel Amer Police get trained with IDF -How Israel Trains U.S. Police kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4OewZhmqJnVfso.html -How the US and Israel exchange tactics in violence and control. Two decades of Israeli-US police cooperation includes training in racial profiling and violent suppression of protests. www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/12/how-the-us-and-israel-exchange-tactics-in-violence-and-control -usa police received training on domestic ‘Muslim extremists’ from pro-Israel groups www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/08/us-police-agencies-idf-files-blueleaks -US and Israeli Police Share Violent and Repressive Tactics The exchange programs have been devastating for both communities of color in the US and Palestinians. truthout.org/articles/us-and-israeli-police-are-sharing-violent-and-repressive-tactics Israeli Growing Opposition to Their Genocide -Documentary on 1sraelis disillusioned by Zionist Abuses. Israelism kinema.com/films/israelism-jvor8l -Majority of Israelis mistrust Gaza resettlement plans thecradle.co/articles-id/24524 Waves of Senior Israel Army Officers Resign www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240304-israel-sees-wave-of-senior-israeli-army-officers-resign/ --Israeli Hostage Reveals Hamas Guards Protected Captive Iraelis from Bombs with Their Bodies www.palestinechronicle.com/our-guards-in-gaza-protected-us-from-bombing-with-their-bodies-freed-israeli-captive -Over 50 1sraeli S0ldiers Come Forward to Expose their Truths kzread.info/dash/bejne/pp2m18mvesbFkco.html -Israeli General Admits to How Occupation is Destroying Israel kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKNo0KSJmcrAqJc.html -How Israeli Soldiers are Dehumanized to Commit Terror kzread.info/dash/bejne/kY13s7iYmbitgqg.html - Israeli Amits Objective is to Exterminate all Palestinians kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4GNlryan8nSfsY.html -Amer Israelis have rights but Amer Palis and other nationalities have none kzread.info8p_MYB9l_LE -Israeli Teens Choose Jail and Death Threats Over Military Service kzread.infoeVnNtCUxoPs - Israeli Perspective Of Netanyahu’s Support of Hamas That’s Blown Up In Our Faces. www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces -David Ben-Gurion admits zionism 1) is secular and 2) was opposed by religious jews: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ip-uo9eOYrGtXbQ.html and www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-04-24/ty-article-opinion/.premium/secular-zionist-david-ben-gurion-the-messianic-jew/00000187-afa8-d3b7-abcf-bfecf1a80000 -Rabbi Exposes how Zionism is anti Jewish kzread.infouOvP3J3QBtU -Israeli Explains Israel’s Three Legal Levels of Discrimination facebook.com/reel/883947676410782 -Israeli Vets Describe the Horrific Crimes they Committed kzread.info/dash/bejne/ip6I2qaSpLHOntI.html -Israeli Women Soldiers Give Shocking Testimonies About Their Army Experiences kzread.info/dash/bejne/nH1q1Lainc7Meqg.html Former Israeli Soldier Exposes IDF War Crimes kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoatpMOJm8ewj8Y.html - This Is How AWFUL Israeli Settlers Really Are kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKxl0ZSGhKjdh8o.html - Traumatized IDF Soldier audio facebook.com/reel/6810986008992544?mibextid=LwY44L ++++

  • @patriciablue2739
    @patriciablue2739Ай бұрын

    I’d like a modern equivalent, as comparison, to understand how important pride and honor are to Muslims.

  • @intuitionist1

    @intuitionist1

    Ай бұрын

    It is nothing to do with pride and honour. It has everything to do with justice.

  • @s13rr4buf3

    @s13rr4buf3

    Ай бұрын

    That goes back to just the pure religion, what they're told in the book. The only way to solve those problems is for them to move towards secularism, as most of the other religions in the world have done over the last 500 years.

  • @intuitionist1

    @intuitionist1

    Ай бұрын

    @@s13rr4buf3 So can I take it that you have read "the book" or is this just idle speculation?

  • @s13rr4buf3

    @s13rr4buf3

    Ай бұрын

    @@intuitionist1 It's a very short book, especially compared to the Bible. I do own a translated copy of the Koran. The whole thing is in huge decorative print with thick pages. It's like a children's book. It goes on and on about how to treat your captive slave women, unbelievers that you have conquered militarily, "whom your right hand possesses," whether you have to feed them or how much, and what kind of rituals you have to go through before you can force them to have sex with you. There are slightly different rules for when and how to force your wives to have sex with you. There is no concept of consent on the part of the women. It's only about going through the motions of religious ritual, to make sure that God doesn't hold your sex-having against you. You have to abstain on certain days, etc.

  • @intuitionist1

    @intuitionist1

    Ай бұрын

    @@s13rr4buf3 "No I haven't read it" would have been a more concise (and honest) answer

  • @jqyhlmnp
    @jqyhlmnp14 күн бұрын

    The more coffee and less of sleep, the harder it is to “slow it down” Listen to all the students try to ask a question and the lecturer respond so haphazardly like he’s in a 50s comedy 😭

  • @Rhinoxerox
    @RhinoxeroxАй бұрын

    What a superb talk. Brilliant.

  • @chlorophyllmorelikeboraphy6874
    @chlorophyllmorelikeboraphy687427 күн бұрын

    Informative. But if you want to know the Palestinian perspective…….maybe……try……asking them? To his credit, he mentions this.

  • @lesliegeddes7896

    @lesliegeddes7896

    23 күн бұрын

    It's absolutely necessary to provide a Palestinian voice to validate this perspective. 👀

  • @ericantes9203

    @ericantes9203

    22 күн бұрын

    Goals of individuals are different then the goals of society. The goal of the society is to conquer Israel.

  • @zeroonetime
    @zeroonetimeАй бұрын

    Thank you for the enlightenment. Now I am brighter. Thank you

  • @IshaqIbrahim3

    @IshaqIbrahim3

    Ай бұрын

    Is this true or false?

  • @Heddyconfetti

    @Heddyconfetti

    Ай бұрын

    No, you have lost a few more cells.

  • @intuitionist1

    @intuitionist1

    Ай бұрын

    Does being indoctrinated make you glow in the dark?

  • @laxmanbisht2638
    @laxmanbisht26386 күн бұрын

    Where is the first lecture?

  • @EAmir-dw7xp
    @EAmir-dw7xpАй бұрын

    Interesting with a wish for part 2,But Alon was From Achdut Haavoda and not Mapam as you said.

  • @pangean
    @pangeanАй бұрын

    El Alamein was lost according to Rommel, because the Nazis ran out of fuel. Why? The Soviet Union had seized Baku, Azerbaijan, and therefore had control over the oil that Hitler needed and had ran out of as the war progressed, in both El Alamein and Stalingrad, where they didn't have enough fuel to retreat. So..... actually it was the Soviet Union (Russian and heavily Jewish in science and engineering and intelligence (Cheka)), who had indirectly beaten the Nazis, EVEN at El Alamein

  • @keithgell8913

    @keithgell8913

    Ай бұрын

    >> El Alamein was lost according to Rommel, because the Nazis ran out of fuel. - Why? Because the Royal Navy blockaded German ports.

  • @okopnik

    @okopnik

    Ай бұрын

    Um... Cheka wasn't intelligence, and it certainly wasn't military intelligence. They were a commission created to root out counter-revolutionary activity during and after the 1917 revolution, and were dissolved in 1922. They were succeeded by OGPU, then NKVD... all of which were ministries for *interior* security. GRU was the Soviet intelligence agency in WW2.

  • @lekmirn.hintern8132

    @lekmirn.hintern8132

    Ай бұрын

    The Soviets also, btw, were pretty directly responsible for the start of WWII and therefore, indirectly, the Holocaust. If it hadn't been for the Molotov/Ribbentrop Pact, Hitler might never have started the war at all. He was desperate to avoid the two front war that had led to Germany's loss in WWI, so Germany allied with their Soviet friends, which of course made sense: they were both totalitarian countries with state-run economies, atheist ideologies, and expansionist agendas. Their alliance was so natural that when Hitler betrayed it two years in Stalin was so shocked that he was incommunicado for several days afterward. Had there been a possibility in 1939 that the Soviets would ally with the West, everything would almost certainly have been different. But of course Hitler offered them half of Eastern Europe as a de facto slave empire, and Stalin jumped at that... and as it turned out they got all of it, plus half of Germany itself, for half a century.

  • @lawrencebooth3910

    @lawrencebooth3910

    Ай бұрын

    The overall reason was that the RAF decimated Rommel's meager supply chain. Moreover, Rommel violated his orders and went way further than the Germans could supply him for. The resources were never there to take Egypt.

  • @XalphYT
    @XalphYTАй бұрын

    50:45 The part about the Arab revolt from 1936 to 1939 is completely fascinating, in that the Arab aggression turned the Jews from unstructured militias into actual fighting forces with a hierarchy and training, thus preparing the Jews for success in 1948.

  • @Brianbeesandbikes

    @Brianbeesandbikes

    2 күн бұрын

    Just as u$a does now, brit empire uses proxy states as its method to expand extortion / forever wars profits RATHER than seek collaboration and peace. Classic empire / capitalism models of exploitation.

  • @spenserkussin-gika5593
    @spenserkussin-gika55939 күн бұрын

    Haavara Agreement?

  • @ciarandoyle4349
    @ciarandoyle4349Ай бұрын

    A very interesting presentation. I appreciate the time limitations on Mr Rettig's lecture, and perhaps he will cover these subjects in some future video: Zionist Revisionism: Does the Palestinian conception of Zionism distinguish between Zionists and Revisionists? Does the Israeli conception of Zionism consider Zionism to be led, in practice, by Revisionists? Do these questions matter for the future of Israel? Israel as a Jewish refugee centre: It may be theoretically possible for Israelis to present themselves to Palestinians as people present in Palestine of necessity, but how to present the many American, British, and other Jews present purely as a convenient lifestyle choice?

  • @arlenegojocco7518
    @arlenegojocco7518Ай бұрын

    Brilliant! 😊

  • @julianholman7379
    @julianholman7379Ай бұрын

    what's an Arab ? Is the Levant in Arabia ? Or is language defining ? But if so the eastern Jews were Arabs too, n'est-ce pas ?

  • @ef2718

    @ef2718

    Ай бұрын

    Jews follow the culture of Judea, language of Judea and religion of Judea. Arabs follow the culture of Arabia, language of Arabia and religion of Arabia. Jews - Judea. Arabs - Arabia.

  • @whazzat8015

    @whazzat8015

    Ай бұрын

    @@ef2718 You can say that again

  • @amandab1064

    @amandab1064

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@ef2718 The religion of Arabia? What about the Arab Jews, Christians, Druze, Zoroastrians ....? Arabs are a semitic people whose main language is Arabic (a semitic language, like Hebrew, is where the term semitic comes from) who spread from the Arabian Peninsula to inhabit other parts of the ME and N Africa throughout thousands of years of migration. Arabs are first mentioned in Biblical and Assyrian texts of the 9th to 5th centuries BC where they inhabited parts of present-day Syria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq.

  • @pamelakoretsky336

    @pamelakoretsky336

    Ай бұрын

    @@amandab1064 You should take "Palestine" off your list. There was never a country called Palestine. It was used by the Romans, the Ottoman Empire and the British to describe a large occupied area that included the area that was biblical/historically a Jewish homeland and what is now modern day Israel. There was no Arab state ever in what is now Israel. And Arabs were not Muslims in 9th and 5th Century BC. The Muslim faith was not invented until bout 500 years after Jesus's time. The second Temple was destroyed by the Roman empire about 70 years after Jesus and the apostles would have lived. And for about 150-300 years after Jesus's life his followers considered themselves Jews and were considered by the Romans as Jews. As more gentiles were converted and practices changed this also changed...so people who converted to "Christian" were actually converting to Judaism early on. Eventually the Rabbis determined that Christian practices no longer qualified as Jewish. so those following those practices and beliefs were no longer recognized as Jews. When Constantine converted and saw a belief in one God as a way to unify Rome and to be a more dominant ruler.

  • @ThatguyRiz

    @ThatguyRiz

    Ай бұрын

    @@ef2718there no religion of Arabia. It’s Christianity, Islam, Judaism and beyond. Arabs can be of any of those religions while remaining Arabic and speaking Arabic.

  • @udeychowdhury2529
    @udeychowdhury2529Ай бұрын

    Brilliant lecture, thanks

  • @Jimo1956
    @Jimo1956Ай бұрын

    Great lecture. Learned quite a lot. Thank you. BTW, the mentionerd book by Oren Kessler is called: Palestine 1936: The Great Revolt and the Roots of the Middle East Conflict.

  • @alexgoslar4057
    @alexgoslar4057Ай бұрын

    A collision between any particle and its anti-particle partner leads to mutual obliteration. If you pursue your cause to the limit, on either side of the equation, as a divine Hamas worrier or as a committed Israeli fighter, you find yourselves on the opposite sides of this equation. The amount of energy released is usually proportional to the total mass of the collided matter and antimatter, by the notable mass-energy equivalence equation, E=mc2. A never-before amicable agreement is the only way out of this predicament.

  • @ef2718

    @ef2718

    Ай бұрын

    The Treaty of al-Hudaybiya being the template.

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