I’m not even Jewish or Arab and I love hearing this kind of lecture.

@novacancy7253

Ай бұрын

Me too!

@jimmyjames7941

28 күн бұрын

Same here a Christian American

@peteredwards667

3 күн бұрын

This is a great article about

@peteredwards667

3 күн бұрын

How 😢we got to this point

Gur is brilliant. Loved hearing him get so amped up, he's usually very measured.

@CashCowz962

2 ай бұрын

Bro is great

The dichotomy of psychology is really profound between "I will be good and pleasing to others, I won't make waves, I won't be bad or difficult, so that I can be loved/accepted/wanted/safe;" versus, "I am worthy and valuable and inherently loved, just because I exist, and I don't need anyone's approval to justify my existence."

@Tas2270

Ай бұрын

Well that explains the Palestinians in WestBank. Why should they be good victims and allow to be displaced and killed and be unwanted.

@angelasophia3705

Ай бұрын

@@Tas2270 if they believed that they are worthy and valuable and inherently loved, they wouldn't want to murder jews nor kill themselves in the process. They don't love themselves. No one is asking them to justify their existence. If they valued themselves and their lives, and the lives of others and wanted peace, if they would be partners for peace, rather than destructive, there would have been a successful two state solution decades ago. They aren't victims. They make themselves into martyrs for a cause - the eradication of Israel. If they dropped this genocidal cause, everyone would live together beautifully.

@PatrickPease

24 күн бұрын

Who is displacing them? 20% of Israel's population is Palestinians who choose to treat jews as equals. Those guys in Gaza and West Bank refuse to accept a jew as an equal.

@gg_rider

22 күн бұрын

​​​@@Tas2270 the Palestinians were offered a country in 1936, 90/10 split. Not only was there the refugee issue from Europe, There were local indigenous Jews who never left, and there were refugees from Arab countries. Jews had purchased land from Arabs to the extent that some of the Arabs persecuted (to death) 150 other Arab leaders for selling Islamic holy lands that Muhammad (actually, Umar) conquered in 637. Rather than make a deal on a 90/10 split, the response was the Arab Revolt and the refusal to establish an independent state in the land of Palestine. This would be the second Palestinian Arab State because the British created the first Arab Palestinian state in 1921, the Emirate of transjordan. They had worked on it with local Arab villagers and mini Kings for 5 years. Prince bandar bin sultan spoke for over 3 hours about all the efforts of Saudi diplomats over several decades pressuring Americans and attempting to help Palestinians have their own state, but every time it was this close to a final signature, the top representative who was Yasser Arafat either rejected the deal or in one case he made an excuse to disappear for 3 months. I assume you know that the Arabs of Palestine also refused to establish a state and turned to violence instead in 1947. Is escalated to all out war in 1948 to 1949. I don't know if it's ignorance or conscience propaganda, but people seem to believe that a mass expulsion of Arabs from Israeli cities occurred on May 14th, 1948. That may be because the campaign to totally annihilate the Jews and destroy their state began on May 15th, 1948. Those two things blended together, perhaps, but it was the war that launched people fleeing or being expelled, for various reasons and depending on which historian you listen to. People fleeing War and mass expulsion, that's normal. Look at Syria and Syrian refugees. Even without outright War, there was Jewish mass expulsion from Yemen and Iraq to Morocco and Tunisia and Egypt, as well as Syria and other Muslim states. The people of Israel did not invite the people who just tried to slaughter them to come back and live in the neighborhood. Most israelis, except for probably some religious extremists, would have been overjoyed if the land for peace swaps had resulted in stable peaceful relations with sovereign Arabic, but what happened instead was some combination of terror attacks, for the first Intifada .. AS THE RESPONSE TO THE PEACE NEGOTIATIONS. October 7th was the response to diplomatic negotiations of the Abraham Accords, in which Hamas hoped to disrupt a warming relationship between Israel and other countries like UAE and Saudi Arabia. Not to discount other strategic plans that were laid out in the 1988 Hamas Declaration of existence and purpose. That includes no to any negotiated peace, same as the Arab League three nos in the 1951 Khartoum resolution, no peace, no recognition, etc. They can't have a state which has borders with Israel because that would end the war and would concede that Israel exists, is legitimized, and has borders. After October 7th, the government of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank published orders instructing mosques to begin preaching the Gharqad Tree verse which is Article 7 of the 1988 Hamas Declaration and also is Surah 2922 in the book of Hadiths that is authenticated as Sahih Muslim. That's the verse that calls for total annihilation of Jews and makes it a prerequisite to getting into heaven, a prerequisite to end times and judgment Day. So that is the government that was projected to be the responsible peaceful rulers of a sovereign Palestine nation state, but over and above any commitment to building a nation, the obsession is annihilation of the nation next door.

@Tas2270

22 күн бұрын

@@gg_rider wow for such a long worded responses you seem to be the one peddling propaganda. Let me see here getting 10% of shitty land for double the population of Arab is a good deal that they should take happily? Not surprising that is what they tried to do in Canada with Indigenous people. Nakba is a propaganda and of course people leave when they are massacred and that is normal. It’s only when it’s Europeans that it gets enshrined in booked and taught as gospel. The pre-emptive war of Israel was Arabs fault because the baddies just couldn’t be trusted. And somehow Imams are preaching hate 😂😂 dude which Hasbara telegram did you copy and paste this from?

I see Haviv & I click on. A simple rubric which has never let me down 🥂

@trainerdisability

Ай бұрын

I just ground him. I’m Now looking for everything. Amazing.

A brilliant analysis of basic historys and realities of American and Israeli Jewery. Amazing and profound.

@harlanglass

Ай бұрын

Said so well. Thank you.

@shelleylingamfelter3265

10 күн бұрын

😢​@@harlanglass

I thought I knew jewish history. This class was amazing!!!

Excellent speaker. Fascinating and moving lecture. Before this I only knew of him as a journalist.

Haviv has such a dynamic presentation and did an amazing job with this ❤

Wonderful lecture, heartbreaking. He is really good at delivering the message. I really felt the pain of these people.

I'm envious. As a Greek I wish we had someone to explain our modern history to us like that guy did for you. Instead we get BS after BS.

@Jjjjjk1001

2 ай бұрын

I fear that So much of your beautiful culture, the best culture, was purposefully destroyed by the genocidal Ottoman Turks

@LOPEKJJJ

2 ай бұрын

He’s mostly wrong, but he makes a brilliant argument.

@jaialaiwarrior

2 ай бұрын

Lol. You've got communists like Yanis Vanoufakis! But don't feel too bad. Jews have idiotic self-hating commies among their ranks too

@OffbeatsMusic

2 ай бұрын

@@LOPEKJJJ Share a video of your historical talks please, to elucidate?

@CashCowz962

2 ай бұрын

Yes..school and mainstream media is total garbage 🗑....they don't teach the truth and all the ugly facts...everything is made up

Wow, this guy is a really great lecturer. As an Israeli Jew, whose grandparents all fled Iraq, I agree - most of us are refugees and descendants of refugees. It's something we just almost never think about.

@deskset7436

24 күн бұрын

Whenever people complain about Israeli democracy, I ask them “How many Israelis immigrated from democratic countries?” The answer is almost zero. Czarist Russia, Imperial Germany, Nazi Germany, Yemen, Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Morocco, the USSR”. You’ve got every system of autocratic government imaginable. Autocracy is easy. Religious fundamentalism is easy. Hating others is easy. Democracy is hard. It’s not natural, it takes time, and you have to learn by doing. Give this tiny post-colonial state a fucking break, just like you give every other messed up post-colonial state a break. And when the Palestinians have a state, trust me, it will be an equally messed up post-colonial state. I’m not saying don’t fight for democracy and peace - please do. Just - understand that Israel (and the PA and Iraq and Afghanistan and Malaysia and India and Pakistan) are not America, France, Germany, Britain or Australia. Not because if “cultural differences” or “Western values” but because it took hundreds of years for those nations to establish the kind of democracies they have today, EVEN WHILE they controlled most of the power, money and resources available globally.

@hadaslevy220

6 күн бұрын

I think Zionism places a huge emphasis on not having a "victim mentality" which did prove very fruitful in the project of state-building, but of course that also had its downsides.

Looking forward to lecture number 2!

@SuperMCFIVE

2 ай бұрын

This came out on YT a few days ago: The Great Misinterpretation: How Palestinians View Israel - Haviv Rettig Gur

As a proud Iranian who was born in Iran, I love my people so so so much and I’m proud to be part of the oldest surviving civilization in the world - but it is with no hyperbole that I say, in my book, the Jewish people are arguably the greatest people who have ever lived. I just pray that more American Jews realize how much of a miracle and blessing from God the modern State of Israel is, both for the Jewish people and for the entire world. God bless and protect Israel, and grant her a swift and total victory over her enemies 🙏🏽 Long live Israel 🇮🇱 Long live Shah Reza Pahlavi II 👑

@ronshatzmiller3683

2 ай бұрын

Why are Iranians so effing cool? THank you for your words. I hope we can all get rid of the Ayatollahs soon and you can get your country back!

@martinmartinmartin2996

2 ай бұрын

I too am immensely proud of the Israeli Jews , in 1969 I left the USA , where I was born, and became an Israeli-American , Today I live in Israel near Haifa . Israelis are the children, and grandchildren of the survivors of the Holocaust, the survivors of "dimmis" the Arab Middle East, even Jews from India. The Israelis are unique tough and sweet , like the sabra plant.

@MaryamofShomal

2 ай бұрын

@@martinmartinmartin2996 SMART MAN 🫶🏽 God bless you for seeing the beauty in your people and your homeland. If I wasn’t so certain that my people back home in Iran are going to soon be liberated from the demonic Islamic regime, I would choose to live in Israel in a heartbeat over anywhere else in the world. As a Christian, I’m always warmed by the miracle that is the modern state of Israel and I thank God that I get to live during a time when the Jewish state of ISRAEL exists. Once we send these demonic mullahs and their terrorist praetorian guard the IRGC back to the deepest, darkest pits oh Hell, I will be moving back to Iran and our two peoples will be close friends and allies once again 🫶🏽 God bless Israel 🇮🇱

@shoshanabaer

Ай бұрын

Thank you, you're awesome! Happy New Years, I believe?

@DevorahC

Ай бұрын

It brings tears to my eyes to hear your generous words. I guess we are hungry for support. Iranian culture is beautiful. So sad the fundamentalists have suppressed your prosperity. May modern ' liberalism' rise again in the world. (note: this use of liberal is not about American political parties but rather freedom and choice, and participation in govt. Thus it includes both Republicans and Democrats in U.S. )

What an amazing lecture. Haviv is awesome. I’m not Jewish, just interested in the history and background. Haviv is such a magnetic and passionate speaker, and he does such an excellent job picking up on underlying themes and making them concrete. If he ever stops writing for the Times of Israel, he could easily pick up a job as a college professor and people would love his courses and analysis

American jewery for years: "what if israel loses its legitimacy?" Me, non jew, for all those years: "If israel has any risk of losing its legitimacy, every country around it lost a long time ago, and so did you."

Gur, you are my campus. I wish I could digest and spew knowledge like you do. ALUF!

@ArtU4All

Ай бұрын

Keep studying and practicing. Memorize a few passages and see how your tongue will become more disciplined and flexible. Read a lot 🤝

Great lecture!! I was born in Haifa Israel and was circumcised in King Abdullah of Jordan’s personal tent that he gave to the hospital for thanks in treating his sick son. He wanted peace and the Palestinians murdered him in Jerusalem in front of Al Aksa which led us to where we are

@sandy-jn5rd

20 күн бұрын

in fairness, the Palestinian assassinated him for annexing West Bank in 1950, leaving them no land left of their own

I am absolutely absolutely shocked this video has only 1200 likes and some 6000 views. This and the next video are complete eye openers - doesn’t matter what side of this war you are on - Israeli, American Jewish, Palestinian, Arab or just about anyone. Haviv Gur dissects history so masterfully and lays out all its innards for you to see so masterfully that you can completely see and understand each side’s point of view. He does not demonize or judge any side - that is left for the viewer to figure out for themselves. He does have opinions but he makes it clear how everyone landed where they are today in this conflict. A very dramatized and action filled narrative is the Netflix series “Fauda” - makes it clear that for Israelis this conflict is hard and painful but they cannot give up because they are nowhere to go and it is about survival, not morality while for the Palestinians, it is a holy or ideological war.

@AnnettSchwarz-sheepos_negros

Ай бұрын

holy or ideology war 😢😢😢 sad. Means, it MUST be war? Jews are the only remaining "NATION" and the only with the divine right to kill?

@sandy-jn5rd

20 күн бұрын

i watched Fauda too, and appalling how the Israeli agents have the license to kill civilians in a gun fight if they fail to duck down. It’s a TV show and the writers may have exaggerated it. But it’s shocking to see they don’t exercise maximum tolerance protocol.

@mercedesb2299

5 күн бұрын

He is absolutely spewing ideology, you can't hear it because it is the very same ideology that you already believed, as evidenced by your final sentence. There are whole other groups whose story he is not telling. This is all from the perspectives of the poor bullied Jews. Did you know that Croatians, and Polish, were tortured and abused in concentration camps during this period? He calls them "Nazi collaborators" in this "history"...this is an EXTREMELY slanted history in which he has just erased or maligned multiple other groups of people who were tortured, victimized, and killed too and everyone is gushing over it. It is sick.

I am looking forward to the next lecture, thank you very much!

@SuperMCFIVE

2 ай бұрын

This came out March 14th on YT: The Great Misinterpretation: How Palestinians View Israel - Haviv Rettig Gur

Outstanding! A learning dissertation.

@omarlittle-hales8237

2 ай бұрын

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. ZiONiSM & STATe TERRORiSM, Have Nothing To Do With JUDAiSM. ISIS, TALEBaN & TERRORiSM, Have Nothing To Do With ISLaM.

Oct 7th 2023 never forget

@bbasaid6904

Ай бұрын

The Palestinian People have been suffering from zionist terrorists for nearly 100 years !! It's time to give back Palestine to its people

@Tas2270

Ай бұрын

Of course not because it will change the course of history and global politics. I disagree that he thinks Palestinians are unaware of Israelis as refugees. The concept of insane is fundamental part of Muslims faith, however Israeli IdF applying Christian thinking and firming up nationalistic identities (all the things that they resented) is the problem. They are not coming up the “final solution” they want their land back and why should they be apologetic? They have a moral and just ask. If we deny it then we are playing into hierarchy of victimhood. For all the folks listening to lectures here would be great for them to learn the global history in the 1800 of the world to understand that everyone was screwed who wasn’t a Christian European.

@gregorysheindlin2296

Ай бұрын

Gur doesn't care about October 7th. He still advocates for the Palestinian state.

This was amazing! Waiting for the next lecture.

You're fantastic keep up the good work!

Another Midwestern town with an opera, Kansas City (Lyric Opera). A good book about KC Jewish history is "Roots in a moving stream: The centennial history of Congregation B'nai Jehudah of Kansas City, 1870-1970" by Frank Adler. The book speaks about the relationship between the German (came primarily in the mid-1800s as he says) and Russian (came primarily in the late 1800s and early 1900s) Jewish communities of Kansas City.

I'm so glad my great grandparents escaped from there to eastern Australia 🌏, which is where I am.

@theunboundDragon

Ай бұрын

Not all Israelis are refugees. My family for example, immigrated from Europe to South America, where both my parents were born. They had a very good and comfortable life there but decided to make Aliya (immigrated) to Israel about 50 years ago for Ideological reasons. They were offered to go to the U.S. and had refused. I'm glad they did 😊

@dudah4906

Ай бұрын

I owe an abiding debt of gratitude to my forebears for having the guts, initiative, risk taking attitude to flee Eastern Europe for the States.

@marouanenajar3026

Ай бұрын

​@theunboundDragon what an effing evil ideology

@sandy-jn5rd

20 күн бұрын

@@theunboundDragonlol tou aren’t helping 😅

Thanks Professor.

I love his final statement...absolute truth. You could apply that to many many situations 🙌

I'm pro-Palestinian and I absolutely loved this. Everything you don't get in most Zionist or pro-Palestine discourse.

With recent world events, I was searching KZread for factual, good perspectives and stumbled upon Mr. Haviv Gur's clips - and haven't been disappointed since. Makes me wish I was back in my student days, with access to such enriching learning experiences. Having said that, I should add - When the rest of the world was aflame with anti-Jewish sentiment going back centuries, there's one land where Jews were always welcomed and never persecuted - That is India. This fact is actually mentioned--with gratitude--in one of the founding documents of the state of Israel. India extended that same openness to all religious groups, some religions that most folk in the West haven't even heard of - such as Zoroastrians, a minority who were also "pogromed" (by the Islamic majority in Persia). The tradition of religious tolerance in India goes back literally millenia - An Indian King, Ashoka, issued an edict 200 B.C. that no person shall be persecuted on the basis of religion, and that people are free to pray to whoever they want. Think about that - It would take literally 2000 years for Europe & the New World to come around to that same wisdom. And it's a sad testament to the stagnation of the human mind that some ideologies deny such freedom EVEN TODAY.

Glad this appeared in my KZread. Brilliant

A great lecture Haviv. Thank you so much. The second part is really good too

So completely grateful for this. Made me sob. Because of the flood of understanding and then because of the the relief I felt in the understanding. For the words that put some sort of order to my understanding of what it is to be an American Jew today in the midst of the world of humanity. Gave me a glimpse into the stories that exist behind every human experience. Going to do my best to get others to watch.

Powerful ending. Never really thought about that.

This is fascinating, especially as a British jew whose family have mostly been in Britian since the Spanish Inquisition. I listened to part 2 fist but it's been well worth coming back to find part 1. Thanks Haviv ❤️

I am 50 and not Jew and This is the second lecture of Avi that I am listening to and wow. It was quite emotional in the lecture about the second survey done and selection was crematorium. What was felt by the people of that time after all the persecution. Hope the allies seen the same.

@Stumashedpotatoes

5 күн бұрын

*Haviv

Wow spot on. I think the Israelis though have learned "the jewish lesson" all the way through to its very bitter end, while the American jews (who didn't expirence the holocost) didnt.. their "luck" of finding America is now proving to be temporary.

@whazzat8015

Ай бұрын

Everybody's luck in finding America is proving to be temporary

@marouanenajar3026

Ай бұрын

So the Holocaust lesson is to go and displace another people.

@xp8969

10 күн бұрын

​@@marouanenajar3026 nope

Wonderful part of the Jewish History well done. What I don’t understand is why the history of the Jews of the Middle East was omitted from this lecture. It is an important piece that add to the Holocaust and Israel’s history . These Jews also faced pogroms and in fact were exiled and their property confiscated simply because they were Jews Appreciate Mr Gur’s response

@ronshatzmiller3683

2 ай бұрын

True -- he needs to do another lecture. And these jews are now > 50% of ISrael's poopulation. AS an ashkenazi israel-born jew I'm ashamed to say we dominate the narrative.

@smarinay

Ай бұрын

It's not omitted. There's a graph showing the percentage of Arab jews of the Aliyot in different years 27:30, and he talks about it for a few minutes

@theunboundDragon

Ай бұрын

He mentioned they also suffered but doesn't really elaborate. You're right that a lot more can be said about it. There are other videos specifically about this topic (not by Haviv)

@connie.22

Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he had a scheduled time, seems he was mostly talking to american Jews, he didn't mention the more recent Russian immigration or the Ethiopian at all.

As an Israeli I can totally see my family's history in this lecture. Fisrt time I leaned about the Jewish- American history though and frankly - very moving.

Impressive lecture and energetic delivery. Love this.

I am blessed to listen, I appreciate your deep insights thank you - so much to learn about The Global Empire Problem , to make the world a better place we need Israel and God who is protecting you - even from uttermost parts of the sea NZ thanks again

Wow, what an incredible lecture, no bs

Mr. Gur, I can explain it in one simple story - the role of the Jews in the American mind. I grew up in New England believing that half of all Americans were Jews. Half of my friends, boyfriends and ancestors were Jewish after all. But a strange dilemma interrupted my peace of mind when I finally encountered a critically important character in history who had not been part of the Anglosphere, and whose name was therefore unknown to me despite an absurdly expensive, expansive education: the Father of Human Rights, the Spaniard Bartolomé de Las Casas. He was a friar who crossed the Atlantic 14 times to persuade the Pope that American Indians were human beings, a profoundly crucial and successful mission with repercussions to this day. But something was wrong. A person driven to protect these unheard of new people in an unimagined new world unknown to the Greeks or the Hebrews … HAD to have been Jewish, which a friar is not by definition. Yet he had taken on the esoteric and liberal role of a Jew, not a friar, which I found oddly disturbing. The story had to be wrong or all those decades of understanding the world I’d embarked on had disclosed a whopping exception. There was nothing to do but read past it. But what a relief to find, some two years later, that Las Casas had come (of course!) from a family of conversos - Jews who had converted to remain in Spain. I could make a private peace with a troublesome episode of history. My world, and the roles various peoples had been chosen to play in it, was allowed to resume its orbit around the sun.

Ya shar koiach. What a great lecture. I hope I get to meet you one day.

Great instructor, a demanding, engaging instructor. You can see how much he is working to create understanding, and not rote memorization. Great speaker.

highly appreciated, thank you

As an Israeli who came-to Israel from Wales, U K in 1965. My Husband is an Israeli kibbutznik I really appreciate this lecture. Everyone should come here . We need more young Americans to make Israel stronger.

@GA-sn1hn

Ай бұрын

Today you would have to be religious to come. I know many who tried, it just didn’t work for them. I know people who were talked out of it by their Israeli relatives.

@Net_Willis

Ай бұрын

​@@GA-sn1hn I am an Israeli and my wife and kids have an American citizenship. After 7.10 she was willing to consider us moving there, but when all the college antisemitism rose, it seemed harder to decide which country if safer for our kids.

Brilliant, you just explained my existence to myself.

A great lecture delivered with passion. History has to be read on a broad scale with unbiased points of views. I am keen to know books by the lecturer as well as of Rashid Khalidi ,Miko paled On the whole very very stimulating delivery. Let us all be kind despite all.I t is most creative period of age .Do your things.

Where are the rest of these

@Jimo1956

Ай бұрын

You can find it on the channel of the Shalem College or on KZread under "The Great Misinterpretation." It posted 2 weeks ago. Just as good as this one, actually even better IMHO. These students can count themselves very lucky to have been able to experience these lectures and visit Israel.

❤❤❤thank you 4that and big 🙏 from Fiji

Incredible, powerful lecture. THANK YOU Haviv.

Are the following lectured available?

@SuperMCFIVE

2 ай бұрын

This came out a few days ago in YT: The Great Misinterpretation: How Palestinians View Israel - Haviv Rettig Gur

@whazzat8015

Ай бұрын

@@SuperMCFIVE And I thought that one was great. Wow

@henri-0

Ай бұрын

@@SuperMCFIVEThanks. These took place a while a go I think. They're spacing them out.

What a brilliant speaker. Thank you for your great presentation.

I was moved to tears. 💛

My great grandparents caught the boat to america. I'm glad they did. Not until Prof. Gur's very last gesture, did it occur to me that his lecture took a lot of energy and emotion to deliver. Great lecturer. So, I already saw the "Palestinians" lecture, and just watched this lecture on the Jews. I suppose Mr. Gur hopes that if enough folks become educated on who the Jews really are, and who the Palestinians really are, and enough of them dispel the falsehoods that they currently believe about themselves and the "Other", that they will be able to settle with each other. It would be good to be educated in a history that's based in fact, not myth, but I'm not sure there is any precedence for that in history bringing peace. What we do have, however, is the fact there are 2M Arabs living peacably inside Israel, and Israel has been recognized by some arab states, and there has been no war with these states since recognition. So, I can see a certain series of actions ending in a peaceful settlement of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Israel annexes the West Bank and offers citizenship to its Arab inhabitants pending, as it did for Israeli Arabs, successfully completing a probationary period and then pledge allegiance to the state, same as most states require of immigrants. UNRWA is foreclosed. It's operations taken over by UNHRWA, the UN agency which has handled 200M refugees for planet Earth over the last 74 years, all but for the Palestinians. Now, the Palestinians would be treated same as all other Earthlings. Tbey would be settled. Some, would be repatriated to Israel; they would be screened and given the same opportunity to become citizens as West Bank Arabs. Most, though, would be settled either in their present host countries, or in other countries. It would simply have to be done. Would there be risks, casualties, for Israel? Yes, but I think the Israeli's would agree it would be worth it, and they would defend, mostly successfully, against saboteurs accepted into Greater Israel. Do I have a plan for how annexation would be accepted by the world? No. But as Mr. Gur pointed out, Israeli's don't ask for permission. There would have to be an arrangement, whereby the Al Aqsa Mosque was primarily administered by Islamists, possibly a committee representing several Arab states as well as Israeli Arabs, and the Palestinians newly added into the Israeli state. Maybe something on the order of the Vatican in Rome. Hateful anti-Israel, and anti-semitic education would not be allowed any longer for Palestinian children. I think we could rely on Mr. Gur, heading a committee of Israeli and Palestinian historans, to come up with school texts that all schools, whether Jewish, Arab, or other would use regarding the history of these Peoples and of Israel and Palestine. It wouldn't sugarcoat or ignore the crimes, pain, or errors of any of the players. But, it would provide context and it would be, as far as possible, based in fact. I don't think the most influential Arab nations today are so concerned about a Palestinian state. I don't think they believe it's necessary to create that state to resolve the problem, and it's the problem that they want solved, not the state. They are not that keen on the creation of a tiny, deranged, and imperfectly defanged Arab state that will continue to war on Israel when it can. That will be hardly any better, and could be much worse, than the Palestinian situation today. Mostly, they want the problem solved so that it doesn't threaten their interests or their security. They would really rather work with the Israeli's on security, stability and prosperity for the Sunni region I think this could work. ,

@ingairen21

21 күн бұрын

Thank you for that, I have never read the “one state solution” expressed like that.

I want to add; there's a connection between American Jewish culture & African American culture he didn't explore. (This isn't a criticism. You can't cover everything in a lecture & the lecture emphasizes the differences between Israeli Jews & American Jews.). The connection is, ironically, religious. It is that African American Christianity shines a light on Moses because he freed the slaves. No other Christian community holds Moses so high. Also, despite the differences in style & melody, song & dance are essential in African American churches, & essential in Orthodox Jewish practices . . . .

@LOPEKJJJ

2 ай бұрын

How are song and dance essential in Jewish orthodox rituals? Most cultures have been influenced by Israel and its Torah. So there’s a connection between the Jewish people and Black Americans, as well as to white Christians, Arabs, Europeans, Russian orthodox Christians, Latinos, etc.

@brynawaldman5790

2 ай бұрын

​@@LOPEKJJJHave you seen all the clips of IDF soldiers dancing? You can also find lots of clips of religious Jews dancing. And you might want to check out the rap music of Orthodox Jewish Nissim Black. He is cool.

@whazzat8015

Ай бұрын

Oddly , Reform Jews go long into Presbyterian choral music and white bread folk songs , too. Must be that opera influence

@deskset7436

24 күн бұрын

Most Jews fleeing Eastern Europe from 1880 to 1920 understood immediately what racism meant in America. It meant exactly what they just left. They knew it was wrong and they sympathized, even as they were also glad that for once they were not the target. Bring classified as white - as part of a majority group - was the biggest ironic joke any Eastern European Jew could possibly have experienced. For this reason, American Jews have - until very recently - been the least attached to white identity of any white immigrants. I’m not saying we aren’t attached - everyone offered full citizenship takes that offer - just that we understood immediately that America was confused and thought we were a protected religion instead of a hated ethno nationalist group. And those who were paying close attention understood that Jews could only be part of the “majority” because someone else had taken our usual place as the “minority”.

Great lecture. One thing about Americans is that we are almost all "dual". Irish-American, Polish-Americam, African-American. So to be Jewish-American is not a foreign or scary concept to American sense of self holistically.

What an amazing, deep, enlightening, nuanced history. But, please, what about this: Some Palestinians and their supporters know full well that Israelis are to a huge degree refugees - and they say: WHY do they have to seek refuge HERE? Why is everyone (including other Middle Eastern countries) asking the people of the Western part of the Mandate for Palestine to "pay the price" for everyone else's destructive behavior by accepting the "refuse" rejected by everybody else? I will listen to "The Great Misinterpretation" and if I hear something about this, I will return to this comment and add the insight.

@MaryamofShomal

2 ай бұрын

Dude, most of the Arabs that call themselves “Palestinians” are not even native to the land. Their forebears came to the Mandate from surrounding countries, such as Egypt, once the British arrived in the 1920s. They’re basically just squatter-terrorists. Or terrorist-squatters.

@t.birmingham2668

2 ай бұрын

Please, spar us.

@whazzat8015

Ай бұрын

Hey, spawn of Neanderthals. We migrate. Get over it

@eligaerman6827

Ай бұрын

Because it's our ancient homeland, it's the place jews are indigenous to, where we became a nation. There were also non stop Jewish communities there for thousands of years, so the Jews were essentially joining the other Jews that were already there

@deskset7436

24 күн бұрын

I think the most honest answer is that they have a point and it wasn’t their job to accept Jewish refugees. But Jews are a Semitic people and TBH the longer Israel exists, the most Semitic Israeli and all Jews worldwide have become. I think you can recognize that the Palestinians experienced a historic injustice and tremendous loss and also that most Jews would never have arrived there unless they were fleeing for their lives. Now both people have experienced dispossession and loss and in theory that can create more understanding rather than more hatred IF they are willing to take seriously the others experience.

In 1938, the Philippine Commonwealth was willing to grant 15,000 visas to German Jews. However, since they had to travel via Siberia only 1,500 made it. After the war most were able to go to America.

This lecture was amazing. Wow!

To express my approval of Haviv Rettig Gur, I'll have to quote one of the most well-known musical entertainers with the thickest German accent possible who was always fond of saying "ONERFUL, ONERFUL"🙃

Thank you tor this great lecture. I have been wondering about when the Arab pogroms where carried out and how many Jews fled to Israel. The Aliyah changes graph was more comprehensive than the figures i managed to find googling.

Very gifted teacher…

Enlightening. Thank you!

So George Washington basically says, don't worry, we're not an ethno-nationalist state, our nation is inclusive of those present in the territory. The irony is not lost on me. Great talk! Haviv is a natural publioc speaker.

That is a great lecture! I have learned a lot! And that is coming from an Israeli in the diaspora (Europe) that has written her master thesis on Jewish identity in America . Well done. Will certainly share this

Got a question: When for example the US Quota Act from 1924 would limit Jewish immigrants to enter the US, would that also apply to let's say a British Jewish family wanting to immigrate from the UK to the US? Or only for the Jews fleeing from Eastern Europe. Thank you. BTW: Thank you for the effort and letting the rest of the world participate in this learning experience. Fantastic lecture. Learned so much. Watched Part 2 ("The Great Misinterpretation") also. Just as good.

@deskset7436

24 күн бұрын

It didn’t apply to Western Europe but the vast majority of Jews fleeing persecution were in Eastern Europe.

Imteresting points to understand the importance of refugees in Israeli society

36:52 that made me cry and I am not even jewish

Yes, an invaluable lecture on the history of Israel. Thank you

Completely agree, it’s time to come home and fight for your sanctuary. If I am of age, I would have drafted.

What a scholar! Thank you!

So perfectly put. We are Israelis and we won’t explain to anyone why we are here. We will never ask for anyone’s permission to be. We are and will always be 🇮🇱

@sandy-jn5rd

20 күн бұрын

comments like this makes me wanna go back cheering the other side. we are all hurting. yeah yeah i know. sorry. shalom.

Wow Haviv Gur is amazing

How has it been possible for Israel to negotiate peace agreements with most of the Arab states over the past 50 years? Can't that also happen with the Semitic Palestinians?

Great lecture. The difference between Israelis and American Jews. Reminds me of the difference between the group of guards and the group of inmates in the Stanford prison experiment. The Emergency Quota Act is all the difference between Judith and Hannah Senesh.

A light bulb just went on in my head. All I am is the Jew who does not ask for permission.

Amazing insight. Thanks so much.

Mel Brooks I think that he meant 200 years not 2000 years?

Where is Part II?

@sarahk93882

2 ай бұрын

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@SuperMCFIVE

2 ай бұрын

The Great Misinterpretation: How Palestinians View Israel - Haviv Rettig Gur

He makes many excellent points. But I think his interpretation that "US Jews are afraid because if American liberal democracy fails (using the classic meaning of "liberal democracy" here), it will be terrible for Jews --and everyone." That's partly true, but the other side of the coin is equally valid: many American Jews (and others) are motivated to action by a simple desire for justice for all and the desire to fulfill the still-unmet promise of American liberal democracy. Not fear, but a profound desire to fulfill the dream.

I think he’s absolutely right

@paulheydarian1281

2 ай бұрын

No one is absolutely anything, much less being right. Whatever being right means. There aren't any absolutes in real life.

Brilliant. Thank you

We’re the Jews who don’t justify themselves and their existence. I had the same conversation with a reform rabbi…

What sort of connan name is that?

4:00 That escalated quickly

Important lecture.

What Herzl didn't realize is that modernism (or is it capitalism?) will eventually also destroy national identities, not just familial, clannish village, and tribal ones. And now it seems to be destroying even integrated individuals (with the attention economy). National identities seem to be able to be maintained only through common enemies and collective crises. Both Palestinians and Israelis could benefit from the restoration of these levels of organization. The Palestinians need villages. not a sprawling metropolis. And the Israelis need to rehabilitate their Kibbutzim, but not as socialist enterprises.

What a brilliant man. Very interesting

Great!

by starting in 1881 you left out almost 200 years of Sephardic Jewish history in America from Abraham Judah in Rhode Island, Franks and Isaacs in Philadelphia, to Henry Yulee from Morocco to HaLevi in 1698 Delaware. This is primarily a Russian Jewish history, but its very good. Do you think those Jews migrating from Russia would be in America without the well established and historic Sephardic population？

@LOPEKJJJ

6 күн бұрын

He left that history out because it doesn’t serve his thesis to explain why Americans Jews are so liberal. It ignores the sefardic jews that first settled America and people like Judah P Benjamin who owned slaves and was the number 2 man in the confederacy.

Thank you sir

By the way my aunt was Einsteins first cousin. They can me to live in Israel in Naharya

Awesome speaker.

Black hand is the name of the group whose killed Franz Ferdinand in 1914 (sorry, i know my english is so bad)

@SarahJones-kp9bq

3 күн бұрын

Isn't that what triggered World war1??

31:30. I want to clarify something about the DP’s and IRO, and UNRRA. My family and community of Lithuanian people were not NAZI collaborators. Thousands of Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians fled in a panic leaving everything behind. Why? Because they feared living under USSR occupation. They were already familiar with J. Stalin’s brutality. These were the vast majority of the people in Baltic DP camps. They were mostly young people, say 18 -30 years old. Some had their parents with them. Ref: Google IRO: “Many DPs did not want to return to their home countries One of the common goals the Allies formulated as early as February 1945 was the repatriation of all DPs to the countries they originally came from. By the end of 1945, they had managed to repatriate six million DPs quite quickly. But repatriation then came to a standstill. Fewer and fewer people wanted to return to the countries of Central and Eastern Europe - either because they did not want to live under Communism, or because their homeland no longer existed in its previous form, or because they feared further persecution if they returned. In addition, people from countries such as Hungary, Poland, and the Baltic States were traveling to Western Europe to escape from the Soviet sphere of influence for political reasons.” The article continues…

My father remembered a pogrom in Wales in 1917!,,

"Everything is the American liberal promise" As Dan Schueftan said, "The enemy of liberalism is extreme liberalism'. That's where America, and most of the west, is today. And there is much to be feared in this for Jews and much that demands a strong and unequivocal pushback.

Holy shit. (looks in mirror and realizes everything, everywhere, all at once)

Who are you? You are the ones through whom all families of the earth are blessed. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱