They should have the prices on display like at fuel stations so people can see in advance, as you wouldn't of known the price difference without looking at both, then having to move if one is cheaper

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

Most who use an app, such as ZapMap, will know the price long before they reach the site, as ZapMap provides pricing - and lots more information - in real time. As do similar apps......

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

They have to show the price on the screen now, which they're doing. But that doesn't help you if you've already pulled up to the more expensive side. But yes, I can see that coming in the future, just like petrol stations do.

@insanityideas

8 ай бұрын

Tesla show the pricing in the car, including the different prices at different times. So for their main customer it's like having a sign anyway. Because most networks also have a membership scheme and sometimes deals with fuel cards there is no one price to display. Yes you could display all this on a sign, but it would make things even more confusing. All these networks would rather you join their subscription service and tie yourself to them, but few offer a big enough network for this to be viable. It's also more expensive unless you do an awful lot of miles.

@insanityideas

8 ай бұрын

​@@GoGreenAutossomeone needs to update some of the chargers then because a lot of networks still don't. And none of them display it prominently, it's all a branding slideshow with the price in small print on one slide.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@insanityideas to be fair though, petrol stations are no different. Most fleet and commercial drivers have fuel cards and do not pay the price displayed on the sign at petrol stations. Its no different to EV memberships.

I am pretty impressed at how quickly these motorway services are expanding across the UK. I got my EV this time last year and just in the space of a year there has been a massive expansion and it looks like at a lot of these sites they are planning to add more when they get the grid connections sorted. One area I would like to see improvement is with destination charging. I have never had an issue with rapid charging on a journey, but while on holiday seeing more B&Bs, hotels, camp sites etc with more destination charging would make being on holiday so much easier. Take somewhere like Whitby, where there are just a few rapid chargers. People complain there needs to be more rapid chargers in the area, but I argue more destination chargers will be the answer as people are either staying overnight in holiday accommodation or parked in a car park all day, an ideal place for destination chargers. Plus a lot cheaper and easier to install. The same is true for other tourist destinations, Lake District, Wales, Cornwall etc.

@GoGreenAutos

2 ай бұрын

Yes, more AC charging is required. There's also a lot of AC charging only vehicles on the road and desperately need more AC points.

Interesting to see Moto's own signage indicating the two older Gridserves are "medium power" whereas the new ones are labelled "high power" - good bit of extra info for newbies!

The primary concerns about lack of charging capacity are in urban residential areas with majority on-street parking. Motorway services with ample capacity adequately serving the needs of premium car owners (Tesla, Mustang, BMW etc) are a great example of "the 1% don't have a problem, so clearly the problem does not exist".

Great Video, thank you for taking the trouble as always to make these for us. You did not mention whether there was any signage up to show where the new chargers were installed, obviously that would help new drivers. Thanks again, please keep them coming.

Nice to see these places opening up. I hired a Polestar 2 from Hertz at Gatwick yesterday. (Rules are it has to come back with over 80%). I asked on pickup if they had any recommendations for charging on the way back in to the airport. Staff hadn’t a clue 😬 When I’d finished my days activities it was still showing 72% but I was 20 miles from the airport. Zap Map was no good as it was telling me I didn’t need to charge before getting back. Apple Maps took me to a dead end in an industrial estate in Crawley that turned out to be a Tesla Centre. It’s not hard to see the appeal of Tesla with a row of them all charging. Anyhow I eventually found a BP Pulse outside a hotel. There was a one way traffic system so the charging port was on the wrong side & the cable was right on its limit. 1st tap of the card & charging began. I decided to charge to 90% given the price, allowing me a quick nip up the M23 to Gatwick. At 88% up pops a charging error. The screen of the charger advised me to use the emergency stop button. When I pushed this it released the charger from the car. The charger screen went blank so I returned the cable & was able to drive away without being billed. A bit of a result I’d say. The Polestar is an impressive car, though being over 6ft tall I did find it’s roof too low & the black interior was a bit claustrophobic.

@philiptownsend4026

8 ай бұрын

Reads like an unnecessary hassle to me. Certainly would not voluntarily get involved. You seem rather negative in what I thought was intended to be a positive report.

Second video I watch of you and consider me subscribed. We need more videos like that to change people’s mind

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Thanks.

@Gazer75

8 ай бұрын

Doesn't help when there are people that don't feel safe charging at these locations during evening/night. Had a long discussion with a lady in another video that said she would need an EV with at least 400 miles of range so she could avoid charging on her longer trips. And apparently the A1 was often closed in various locations which required detours. Then went on about how expensive EVs are for most people in the UK, which to be fair is kind of true when I started comparing to Norway.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@Gazer75 well 400 mile range EVs exist and will be cheaper and more available over time. But its strange how some people have the impression that EV charging could be unsafe when it could well be the opposite. For starters when filling an ICE vehicle, you have to stand outside your car for 3 minutes, with your purse/wallet/phone with you to then go and pay. With an EV, you plug in which takes seconds. Then either sit inside your car (which could be locked) or go and wait inside the services or cafe with others and have a drink to calm down.

@Gazer75

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos Tesla Model 3 LR start at 37k here while its 51k in UK. Just insane. We pay no VAT for EVs here for the first 500k NOK or roughly 38k GBP. The sum above get the normal 25%. Some of the other tax breaks are slowly going away. Still 50-75% of full price in toll roads and 50% on ferries.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@Gazer75 Wow. All the incentives have gone now in the UK. I have no problem with that, but the new road tax that is coming on EVs is just unfair and wrong. EVs will pay more than many ICE vehicles, yet its still (sort of) based on exhaust pipe emissions!.

I sold my Tesla 3 weeks ago and returned to ICE. The issue is less to do with Motorways, it is more to do with on street parking. When I purchased, I had a garage and driveway. Then I moved to somewhere with on street parking and there were no charging facilities and the factors were unwilling to put them in.

Don't forget , 'I won't buy an Electric car until I can drive a 1000 miles without stopping , and not then spending four days try to charge it!!!' . My own experience going from one charger at each M/W services to todays increase is that apart from peak hours I never have to queue to charge. My aging body cries halt before my car. It would be nice if prices were lower, but someone has to pay for the investment. Teslas business model did it one way, Gridserve does it another, with BP using another idea. I will be interested to see what the next 10 years brings as far as vehicle range, Charge point availabiity and 'pump' prices. Will the increasing range of EVs result in a lessening demand for expensive rapid chargers and lead to more home and destination charging?

@FFVoyager

8 ай бұрын

Yep. Every time I hear about queuing it's at a motorway services at a meal time on a public holiday. At other times there are rarely any delays.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. In 8 years, I've had to queue 3 times. Two of those were at motorway services on a bank holiday evening and the place was rammed!

One of the major attractions of a Tesla EV was the knowledge of having exclusive access to Tesla super- chargers. Now that exclusivity has been removed so too has the desire to purchase a Tesla vehicle.

@GoGreenAutos

5 ай бұрын

Only at a handful of sites (in the UK). Tesla vehicles still have a huge advantage of other EVs if doing long distance driving or no home charging.

What we need now is proper waiting areas, so we don't get fights over chargers ,and facilities to use while charging at all sites. More charging site videos please - subscribed! :)

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

I've done a few charging videos now, see kzread.info/head/PLW0oq-rvufnuO23EFwSDsVnbKynu7w70Q but will keep it up!

Worth noting those BP 150kW units are actually 85p per kWh on contactless, 83p on app without subscription fee or 69p (the same price as gridserve) for a 7.85 per month subscription.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

I've just check and yes, you're correct. Wow, that is expensive. BP are up to their normal tricks then by charging more for fuel in motorway services.

@ozzieparky

8 ай бұрын

BP are just rubbish - I avoid them at all costs! Sadly, despite great hopes when they were taken over, Gridserve seem to be more miss than hit too. I'd always go for the Tesla if they're open to charging non-teslas as they've been much more reliable in my experience...

Its getting better all the time - great video thanks. I tend to have a caravan behind me when I'm out on longer trips and needing a public charge. I typically have to drop the caravan somewhere - services stations aren't always well set up for getting back from charger to caravan area. Be good to see better facilities for the towing EV - any chance of some videos and advice for the tower?

The queing process needs to be looked at

Great video. You have my sympathy for all the boneheaded anti EV comments I’m seeing though.

Tesla certainly have the ability to disrupt the public charger network. Time related charging a good idea and is used here in Scotland on some Charge Place Scotland chargers

Love the shows, we regards to Exeter, Grid serve, only had 4 units working when i visited last week out of 16, and only charging at 60kw, reason a new transformer going in, hope to be fully online mid October, wish i knew this before waiting 45mins in que and another 40 mins charging. This was not recorded on any network including Zap-Map, apparently it got very heated in the que the week before when there was only 3 units working.😮 Richard

There are not enough chargers in the UK! I waited for 30 minutes to get a free charger on the M62 the other day. Good to see things slowly improving though..

It is practically impossible to tell what price someone pays for charging. It is hidden in your "app" and your subscription. I hope that time will work for the price differences to decrease. But since the costs can differ radically for different suppliers (for the charger, cabling, effect tarrifs etc.), it will take time, regardless of whether it concerns the UK or other regions.

I charged there last week. Very good indeed!

Just started the process of 6 rapids in my town seems quite straightforward so think councils need to get busy we need them every 60km throughout the UK.intersting video.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Best to not let councils get involved. They're had millions in grants for years to install chargers and most councils have not used it and sat on their hands. And when they have, they've ignored the maintenance side, so they end up unusable.

@bernardcharlesworth9860

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos staffs is joining other councils to roll out pavement chargers but have been told some people want to hold on to the money

@djtaylorutube

8 ай бұрын

​@@GoGreenAutosOr they stick them inside a barrier controlled car park, with the council vehicles plugged into them for the entire weekend as used to happen here. They did manage to tick a box though for having installed charging points.

Was there last week watching proceedings. Now I know what that Volvo driver was doing when he moved across the bays

I was at the same charger over the weekend with my BMW i4. Four of the chargers (East bound) were broken, additionally I had to change chargers twice due to charging failures during my session. The person next to me had been locked onto the charger for 20 minutes and was on the phone to gridserve trying to get the session ended. This is the same pattern as in the states (Where we just returned from after living there for 25 years), new charging station gets commissioned, everything seems great for a few months and then the units start to fail and units fall into disrepair. I love EV's (I have a Taycan in the States as well) but the infrastructure is consistently unreliable IMO unless you drive a Tesla. Its not the number of chargers that only count its how reliable they are when you get there.. Just my observations after 4 years of EV ownership.

@philiptownsend4026

7 ай бұрын

You're not selling the idea very well. Random unpredictable charging problems. An unnecessary complication to inflict on oneself.

Nothing cheaper than 'free' as my 2015 Model S is (for the life of the car) but if there was an empty bay - *any bay* - I would still be rejoicing. Up on the West coast of Scotland, the rapid charging situation is utterly *dire*.

So what is the mix of renewable energy supply to both sets of chargers ?

It's just like the fuel station. I stopped for diesel at Moto Reading. All totem pricing had been taken down, half the pumps had cars sitting on them for 15 to 60 minutes, 2 pumps didn't work, the one I used just dribbled fuel then cut out and when I tried to pay my credit card was declined. And I had to go through this all over again in another 580 miles on my return journey.

@verygoodbrother

8 ай бұрын

To be fair, isn't that a rare occurrence?

Have you seen the new chargers recently installed at Pease Pottage services on the A23 on the way down to Brighton?

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

No. I don't get down that way any more.

Was on the m11 services today by stansted and all 8 chargers were off line 😏

Nice. "Unfortunately" this is a few miles from where i live so i wont be using this but its great to see. I wonder if this means Tesla will eventually close their 16 bay at nearby Winnersh which is a little out of the way (eg not right on the mway) and doesn't have facilities?

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

I don't see why they would close those. The demand is still there and will keep increasing.

Seems interesting that we are reinventing the wheel as petrol stations prominently advertise their prices, but electrical charging stations do not. Clearly people do not know or do not care about the difference in prices. Perhaps these electrical charging providers do not want to advertise their rates as they would rather not compete on price seeing how petrol stations competed themselves to the bottom of price to the point that they no longer make a profit on petrol sales and need to sell store items in order to make their actual profits

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

On the pricing displays...I think the new rules are that pricing has to be displayed on the screen, which is something Tesla are doing on these v4 Superchargers and other networks have been doing for sometime. However, that doesn't help if you've already pulled up to the more expensive side! Some petrol stations are now displaying the electricity cost of their chargers on the huge price sign outside. So yes, it will end up going that way. And then we'll probably end up seeing the same as we do with petrol....pretty standardised pricing everywhere, but more expensive in the captive situations like motorway services.

Some of the networks are simply ripping us off. I paid 65p per kWh at EV Point at Rivington. Yet BE-EV charge that for a 7kw charger in Stockport. Needs regulation.

@Gazer75

8 ай бұрын

Problem is the UK electricity prices are high on average. When you factor in investment cost, connection fees to the grid (peak fees), maintenance and all this, it is not cheap to put up a charging station. We had HPC prices up around 60p in Norway as well this past year due to insane electricity prices imported via our HVDC cables to UK and Germany.

So how far away is the next comparable service station? Its not unreasonable to expect to find one of these from anywhere in the UK without travelling more than 50 miles. The prices really need to be capped, even current peak electricity prices are too high.

This comment is unlikely to be applicable at this site but at this and other sites what happens to vehicles waiting. That is when I turn up at a charging site and all chargers are occupied . How do I know how many and which other EV’s are waiting ahead of me. I have seen on various occasions arguments between drivers about who is next.

Great to see Tesla at Reading and to see real competition in pricing. Having said that, Westbound is not that useful for anyone driving West from London who started with 100% home electricity charge. If Eastbound is also developed that would be ideal for those heading back to London with a depleted battery. I can see a case in the UK for locating chargers near less busy motorway access roundabouts so as to be accessible to 100% of passing traffic and not just one direction, as currently (for Tesla) at Reading.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

The truth is we need them everywhere. Motorway services are very convenient as you usually stop at these places to use the loo and get a coffee or meal. So even in an ICE car, you stop is typically 15-30 mins or longer.

I do 180 miles a day , I only ever need to charge at home, I’ve done 40,000 miles in 3 yrs and used a services charger twice and only once did i actually need to 😊

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

No, that's impossible in an EV ;-) You'll never get me in one of those sh*t boxes.

@petersimms4982

7 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos not in a Tesla model 3 long range 😃

Those gridserve chargers are 31p on my sub that came with my car.

Some service stations limit the maximum time you can stay there.what happens when your queuing for a slot,You can be their for hours,and how do your book the next slot that becomes available.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes they do, typically 2-3 hours. How can you be there for hours? The majority of EVs will charge in 20-40 mins. If there's a queue, you move on to somewhere less busy. If you pulled up to a petrol station that had a queue, wouldn't you drive on to the next one? Not that that will be an issue when there's 34 chargers.

@mymusic5772

7 ай бұрын

Hrm now let me think.Currently there are sufficient charging points at “that service station “ for the “small” amount of EV,s on the road.Once they are all electric and typically hundreds of vehicles visit a petrol station per hour.Are they going to scale it up to meet demand.they,d need a field.

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

@@mymusic5772 You don't need a field. There are already enough parking spaces at services for the vehicles. You just put charging points in the existing bays. As for the growth..at the end of August 2023, there were 48,450 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 29,062 charging locations. This represents a 42% increase in the total number of charging devices since August 2022. If the growth continues, it should be ok.

I was lucky to stop at Exeter services last night and the Tesla owner charged up at 43p kWh as it was peak time. 34p non peak. Car was ready way before us and the driver had to unplug and move the car so we could eat.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Tesla charging costs are great. And they reduce the prices when they can, as they've been doing over the last year.

Interesting vid. Looks like charging up on the motorway costs about the same as petrol. Hopefully they are just making the most of it while they can and competition will bring the price down over time. Gridserve etc could do with a price cap of their own.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes the electric price (at DC hubs) is about the same as running petrol, but still far behind motorway petrol prices. But just like driving an ICE, you use it only when needed and topup only enough to get you home.

@Nikoo033

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutosabsolutely. I did a calculation today and realised that when I use a rapid charger, I only spend £7.5 on average, so less money than a full charge at home (£8.5). Meaning that I have mostly done top-ups to take me where I need to go and rarely done a full charge which would cost £16 with my Hyundai Ioniq.

@Kevin-dp1vy

8 ай бұрын

At 69 pence per kWh its quite a bit more than the cost of petrol. 49 pence is about the same as petrol. If there were signs showing the difference in price I cannot see why anyone would use the non-Tesla chargers.

@Nikoo033

8 ай бұрын

@@Kevin-dp1vy not really no. To compare, you have to compare using £/mile since EVs are much more efficient than combustion cars. Then, you would see that to reach or go beyond the £/mile for a combustion car (which is ~£0.14-£0.16/mile), then you have to reach an electricity tariff of at least £0.8-£1/kWh.

@Kevin-dp1vy

8 ай бұрын

My neighbour drives a KIA and she says it averages 3 miles per KW. If she paid 69 pence per Kwh that would be 23 pence per mile. If she paid 49 pence per kwh it would be 16.3 pence per mile. My petrol car costs me around town 16 pence per mile and on a run, if I stick to 65 - 70 mph on a motorway, about 14 pence per mile. We cannot charge at home as we live in an apartment, without any power in the car park, and the local town has 6 charging stations costing between 69 and 99 pence per kwh. Its why I am not buying an EV yet. @@Nikoo033

Tesla are killing it. If they can roll out v4 fast, every other network is doomed. They save cost by vertical integration. They make the charger. They sell the energy as Tesla now has permission to become an energy provider. Tesla is not bothering with chademo as that adds to the cost of each charger. Other networks buy their chargers from a third party mainly ABB. This is awesome to see

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

I agree. But we need those other networks providing Chademo and type2 to stay in business for another 20 years!

@karimbenallal4454

7 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos I think it will be phased out sooner than 20 years

This will hopefully help to bring charging prices down.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

I think it will have too or maybe some of the other networks will go bust eventually as Tesla expand their network.

Not sure if people haven’t actually understood that these vehicle are the future whatever they want to think. Great video. Hopefully more of these places will pop up in the near future. I drive an EV and love it.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

While I was there, I was chatting to a chap charging a Jaguar i-Pace for the first time. He was delivering the car and it was the first time he'd driven an EV for a long distance. He liked the car and was amazed how well it picked up and how easy the charging was. Yet when I questioned him about would you have one, he then went into the usual torrent of FUD...car parks falling down, child mining, batteries in landfill, hydrogen is the future. It will take a decade or more for people to switch if they believe all this. I also reminded him that you don't have to buy an EV in 2030 and this was news to him too!

@Nikoo033

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos😂😂😂

@philiptownsend4026

8 ай бұрын

The delivery driver was right. Hydrogen will obsolete this wasteful interim technology.

@Nikoo033

8 ай бұрын

@@philiptownsend4026 Not really no. Hydrogen has certainly its place to power heavy duty machineries for which the energy density of current batteries is insufficient (although electric tractors and lorries already do exist). But when people talk about hydrogen as a great solution to store energy or power cars, I feel that they tend to omit the energy cost of such a thing in itself. You need 44 kWh of electricity (let’s say from renewables) to produce 1 kg of hydrogen from water and air. For perspective, that’s about 5 days of electricity usage by a UK household on average… Then, you need 4 kWh of electricity per kg of H2 to compress it for storage, or at least 10 kWh per kg of H2 to liquefy it. Also the yield of an electrolyser is around 70%. Basically, since H2 has an energy density of 34 kWh/kg, its production from renewable electricity leads to a 23% loss in conversion. And converting 1 kg of H2 into a state compatible with its storage would use the equivalent of 10%-30% of the energy contained in that very same kg of H2. Not even mentioning the electricity used to maintain it in that storage-compatible state and transport it… So from production to storage of 1 kg of H2, you are already exhausting the equivalent of 30%-40% of the renewable energy that you used to make it…. Hydrogen to power vehicles is not efficient, costly, dangerous. In comparison, the high efficiency of battery-powered EVs fuelled directly with renewable electricity is a no brainer. Besides, Bloomberg analysts (carbon copy podcast) project that electrolysers could use up to 30% of all electricity production by 2050 to produce green H2… meaning that we would need even more renewables… just to produce more H2… demonstrating how wasteful H2 production is. With 10L of DEIONISED water, you can make about 1kg of H2, which would indeed run the electricity of a British household for a while (~ 4 days at 8kWh per day)… but as I said above, to produce that 1kg of H2, you need the equivalent of 5 days of electricity usage of a British household… so you can see for yourself that in conversion, you already lose… a day of electricity usage. Instead of simply using that electricity directly for 5 days. You’re welcome. 👋🏻

Are there any of them able to charge via type 2 for old Renault Zoe either by an attached cable or use my cable

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes, 2 x 22kW AC as shown here kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3aJr9qsg8rej84.htmlsi=SmSYwpCiiQnqyy4D&t=444

The answer is for Gridserve to reduce the price to the same as Tesla. Not other way around.

As more Tesla chargers go in, with cheaper rates, the remaining chargers could be referred to as a Leaf Tax?

Hopefully it bring prices down across the board, the cars not using tesla chargers wont take long to catch on. As a tesla driver it might mean queues in future !

No facility for e-vehicles towing a trailer/caravan...?

If they tarmac over all the trainlines and turn them into FSD EV superhighways, the train routes are already wired up with 3 phase power at 415v and setting up rapid chargers on these new road routes would be a doddle and we can travel straight into our towns and Cities, either by EV coach, frieght would come off the old motorways on these as well making the old roadways decidedly empty and safer.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

It sounds simple, but could you really move the amount of people the trains do?

@hawklord100

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos where there is a will there is a way. Take a mainline station that runs at rush hour (outside rush hour the trains are pretty empty and resort to one an hour) during rush hour there is one train every 25/30 minutes with 5 - 7 carriages on, it is only when it gets closer to the City destination (London say) and this is the normal practise. But you could also run an EV coach every 6 minutes on the same route carrying 90 passengers (google westway EV coaches) this would easily carry the rush hour traffic as FSD (no drivers) once completed the rush hour run, they can be assigned other routes to operate on (efficiency) and then come back to shuttle the rush hour out of the City's and towns, some could be scheduled to operate 24/7 all through the night if there are customers for them, using both traditional roads and the new 'EV ex-train routes' extending the useabilty and the ROI is far beyond the expense of a train carriage that sits dormant most of the time.. The use of these old train routes would provide 10,000KM of new roads supercharging the nations GDP as travel for all frieght and travelers becomes quicker and more cost friendly.

@TheBroz

7 ай бұрын

Trains are better than cars, less trains is a dumb solution to anything.

@hawklord100

7 ай бұрын

@@TheBroz yeah sure... trains are so expensive to run, they all need subsidys, in europe the subsidys (tax payers money) is close to three times paid in the UK. The worlds most dynamic society hardly has a train network to speak of.. the USA does everything by road. Cheaper, quicker, more efficient and more flexible and since EV's have turned up even greener

@hawklord100

7 ай бұрын

@@TheBroz Just think of all those villages and hamelets disconected from the railway network becuase they were so outrageously expensive that labour closed them down under the beeching report and could now be reconnected on those same old tracklines with FSD EV coaches/buses and used by EV cars etc, how much easier those places could be accessable by green transportation rather than the narrow country roads that twist and turn making it dangerous for all. Those straight old trackways would be perfect to start the FSD EV revolution on

Just one question. How are people towing trailers or caravans supposed to charge.?

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

At the moment, detach your load and leave it in a parking space. Charging for people towing and also large vans and HGVs isn't currently being addressed well enough.

@alunjones2550

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos I'm not sure it's really been given any consideration at all. Petrol stations are driver-through for a reason. It works. There needs to be more drive through chargers.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@alunjones2550 The problem is that most chargers are being installed in car parks or similar places given up by the property owner. So they don't have the space afforded to them that a dedicated new site would. However, when they do have that, you get drive through chargers. A good example is the GridServe Braintree site www.gridserve.com/electric-vehicle-charging/electric-forecourt/braintree/

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

@@alunjones2550 The issue, in part, is that chargers are - generally - designed for people to park up and leave their vehicle for a period of time. Thus a 'drive through' design is far more wasteful of the available real-estate, compared to a 'car park' style layout. Petrol stations can be 'pull through' because they can put 2x pumps one behind the other, and if a long-load pulls in, it will only block the second pump for ~5 mins (compared to 20-60 mins for an EV charger).

@alunjones2550

7 ай бұрын

@@logicalChimp I understand all that, which answers non of my question. There needs to be considerably more drive through chargers especially on motorways. Imagine Bank Holiday weekends with loads of caravans. EV's have nowhere near the range of ICE cars, especially when towing, so they are going to cause carnage if there aren't more drive through's. The charging network has not been thought through properly and much of it is poorly designed as a consequence.

Used the V4 here the other day. No non teslas were using them while I was there. I guess the news hasn’t spread, which is probably good for us Tesla drivers. I’d love to know why that car in your video is charging at BP pulse! Activity choosing to spend way more money on their charge for some reason!

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

I was going to ask, but they were sleeping

as someone who would love an Audi e-tron GT Quattro, but drives a VW Bora V5, their are seceral issues. 1: Charging prices should be capped. 2: The chargers do not clearly define what type of charger they are (connection type and speed).

Now that Tesla are sharing their chargers entitlement concerns are diminishing.they are now just chargers for all.

thats good video Matt, The other chargers will need to cut the tariffs. Is tesla cheaper due to battery storage , tesla vary prices is very clever as is idle fees, tesla are leading the way again

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

I don't know why or how Tesla can be so much cheaper than the others. They must be buying the electricity at the same sort of rates. I guess its because they're rolling out their Supercharger network to meet their mission statement rather than make profit, which is coming from their other activities. Yet they make the hardware themselves too. But this has the benefit of being more reliable and therefore costs less to maintain.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos As mentioned, part of the cost-saving is using batteries to do peak-shaving... if Tesla had 10x 250kW chargers (for easy math), then they'd need a 2.5MW grid connection - which is serious money *every month*, and which gets added on to the electricity price. However, if they can use a battery to e.g. drop their grid connection to 2MW (and supply the 'missing' 500kW from batteries at peak times when all chargers are busy) then that can result in a significant saving on the grid connection fee - and thus lower electricity prices. The actual 'cost' of electricity is between 5p and 30p per kWh, depending on time of day (based on the 'residential cost' because homes have a low peak draw that effectively maxes out at ~25kW, depending on the home master fuse). Prices higher than this are almost solely due to the added grid connection fees (and profit margins) on top.

As an MG ZS driver thank you

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

You're welcome

The public doesn't see such a large hub of Rapids at service stations because there isn't a massive canopy over them as there are over liquid fuel dispensers. One day ................

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes you're right. They do have a canopy at the new NEC hub (see kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y2mLuJJ9Y93HkbA.htmlsi=o8Nons1OLZC0Z4sa) but I still got wet when it was raining there.

There is not much competition on sites with both Tesla and others in Norway. Tesla is usually 1-2 NOK/kWh cheaper. Though Tesla have been reducing prices over the past couple of months and it has forced the others to follow, even though they are still priced above. Prices are a lot better here with average Tesla high price 18-22 in the evening for non Tesla at just over 4 NOK (~30p), and others around 5-6 NOK. (~38-45p).

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Interesting. I would have though Norway's electricity prices would be cheaper.

@Gazer75

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos For consumers the spot price is actually negative these days. Unless you live in the south price area (NO2), they get more affected by EU an UK prices due to the cables. My electricity supplier charges 0.02 NOK/kWh on top of the spot price and a fixed 29 NOK/month. But when the spot is -0.04 or lower this basically offsets this. On top of this the grid fee to the local grid company is roughly 0.45 NOK/kWh. It varies in price, bit lower at night. And there is an effect component with brackets that determines a fixed sum per month. Here its like 217 NOK/month if you end up in the 2-5kW peak bracket. The grid fee is regulated and not affected much by spot pricing though. So if I convert to GBP for home charging it would be like 3-4p/kWh lately everything included (grid fee and taxes). It was 10-11p during the crisis that made prices go through the roof here. The gov. here covers 90% of the spot price above around 5.3p/kWh. Grid fees are on top regardless and varies a bit depending who is the local operator.

@djtaylorutube

8 ай бұрын

​@@Gazer75Norway has a responsible government though, one that invested in the sovereign wealth fund. You have to factor in that the UK by contrast, has a criminally corrupt, wholly inept, self enriching government, comprised mainly of thieves. Long term strategy means "end of the week".

I have an EV, drive commercially in London, and can categorically state there’s not enough chargers. It’s like Russian roulette during the day finding one. The area around Heathrow is a disgrace, Shell at Harmondsworth have had 4 new ones switched off for over a year now, BP new ones x 6 at Purple Parking on Bath rd switched off same period, broken Genie points etc etc and etc. London has 15000 taxis, 98000 mini cabs, and thousands of vans all going electric with very little infrastructure to support it. And seemingly very little in the pipeline. One or two new street units every 6 months simply doesn’t do it.

The BP chargers might be cheaper depending on how you pay some of the roaming networks (Elli for example) have a different price 😂

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes. Just like fuel cards for fleet & business drivers of ICE vehicles.

A single petrol pump can service at least 20 times the cars. A UK University produced a paper on what was required to replace a 12 pump Motorway service station with electric charging instead and it found that you need 500 charging stations and 30MW of electric power comparing to a town of 30.000 homes. The new big charging station with 180 chargers have over 10MW of power. How many of these are we going to need?

@tbrewinddebrewin

8 ай бұрын

Most EV charging is done at home.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

If you can charge from home (and apparently 70% of UK car owners could), then you'll hardly use public charging. I rarely do. My partner drives 15,000 miles a year and has only used them twice in 7 years and that was on two holiday trips. I know it's completely different if you can't charge from home, but even then, for the majority of these drivers, with newer EVs, they will still only be going off to charge every fortnight or so. At the moment, the majority of people fill their ICE car every 2-3 weeks or so. That does 400-500 miles on a tank. EVs now do 250-350 miles. So for many, they will be refuelling every fortnight. Batteries are getting larger (and cheaper) so in a few years, EVs will be doing around the same range as ICE vehicles. But those that can charge at home, wont need these big battery EVs. Of course, there's some drivers that do a lot of driving and will want to continue driving ICE vehicles. Well, they'll still be on the road for the next 30 years or so.

@user-zh9kc7tw4n

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos That is ideal though the question I have is how many on a single street charigng their cars can the local grid coape with, every home? every other home?

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@user-zh9kc7tw4n the grid can cope just fine. The grid has to balance generation with load and it is a fine balancing act. Its something they struggle with a night, as the load is low and generation can still be high (helped by wind turbines, so its also green). This is why the wholesale price drops and can often go negative at night, so they pay consumers to use electricity. Mass EVs will help this. Its a mass energy absorption which is controllable (since the smart charger regs) and will hugely benefit the grid. So its far from the doomsday view that many think. EVs only charge at 28-32A (around 7kW) so its only the same every house turning on their oven or hob, which of course nearly every house does every day at the same time.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

@@user-zh9kc7tw4n THe grid can handle it fine... on-street parking doesn't need to be a fast-charger... a simple 7kW charger (30A) is more than sufficient to charge a vehicle overnight (park up in the evening after work, be fully charged when you leave in the morning). The biggest issue will be getting people to adopt 'social rules' etc around charger-courtesy - e.g. don't park next to / plug into the on-street parking overnight if you already have 90% charge, because it 'hogs' the charger when you don't need it, and prevents other people from using it.

exeter services is very simliar ie grid serve and Tesla hopefully V4 chargers, need solar canopies and batteries to keep tariffs low

@TheBroz

7 ай бұрын

Exeter services is hell

It's good that more infrastructure is being installed. Now here is the "but"!. There is a need for drive through charging bays and or long charging bays for those who tow a trailer/caravan, without having the security issue of dropping off said trailer/caravan to go and charge the vehicle. And as time goes by those with vans/larger vehicles, there is a need for provision for them, that do not fit in standard car bay charging points,

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

Yes, absolutely. But this is coming. The problem at the moment is that the networks are concentrating on getting chargers installed on the ground, which is in existing third party car parks or the corner of an existing forecourt. But when they start from scratch with a new site, they do exactly what you ask for. Lookup the Gridserve electric forecourt www.gridserve.com/electric-vehicle-charging/electric-forecourt/

@kevinlawrence2127

7 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos Yes dedicated charging stations built from the ground up with all users in mind/catered for, are a good idea in the right locations. So long as they are built on brown field sites not green sites. My point was for those who travel up and down on the motorway network with vehicles/outfits not fitting into standard car parking like myself, also need to be accomodated. without having to turn off motorway network to find a suitable drive through & or15Mx3M long drive in bay in motorway service stations. Yes I do tow Trailers/Caravans and would love to replace my ICE pickup with a suitable EV pickup when a sutable righthand drive comes into the UK. And at events I go to,. people I know like to have me near them for power, so they can connect to the offgrid solar generator system I take with me.

Are these Tesla chargers on ZapMap yet?

@FFVoyager

8 ай бұрын

They are on WattsUp and ChargeFinder - two actually usable apps.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

No, net yet. Not even on www.tesla.com/findus yet. I bring you breaking news!

@SirHackaL0t.

8 ай бұрын

It is in the tesla map in the cars and in the app for charging non teslas

Great news. I’m hoping to see more of these appearing on the M6 (I know there is one at Rugby) and the M1. It’s a shame they didn’t put a canopy over the chargers to keeping users dry, one step at a time I suppose.

@Nikoo033

8 ай бұрын

It takes 30secs to initiate the charge and then you can either grab a coffee in the services or stay dry in your car 😁. I would want them to reduce their costs as much as possible per installation and invest in a lot more destination chargers (in addition to rapid chargers).

@bluecardholder

7 ай бұрын

We noticed in French Motorway stations which had chargers that they all had covered bays.

I wonder how many cars refuel with petrol each hour at a service station. I should imagine it's hundreds each hour. 34 EV bays is not enough now, let alone if more EV on the roads

@rock10234

8 ай бұрын

Doing an apple to apple comparison is irrelevant as it is a different use case. For petrol/diesel, the only way to fuel up is at a petrol station. For electric is at home (now even without a driveway), hotels, gyms, pubs, motorways services, petrol stations etc. And at home charging will be the most popular way. So the demand of public charging will be lower than fueling your petrol/diesel car.

@1mw2mam

8 ай бұрын

@@rock10234 I'm on 4,000 miles now in 3 months with my current car - I've only used public charging 3 times and that was on a holiday with a caravan behind. No real issues except we arrived at one service station along with a high volume of cars outpouring from the end of the festival in Cornwall - still didn't need to wait that long to get on the the chargers - maybe 20 mins including dropping the caravan and getting into the queue.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

With a ~350kW fast-charger, a 'full' charge (10-80%) for most cars will take 30-40 mins, or less... and most charging sessions will be ~20 mins (because charge rate slows down the more the battery fills up, so most people don't charge all the way to 80% - it's quicker on a long journey to stop slightly more often, but e.g. charge 10-60%, etc). Thus each Charger can handle ~3x cars per hour. A petrol pump may be 'occupied' for ~5 mins (pumping, and queueing to pay), meaning it can handle ~12 cars an hour. This would result in a ratio of 4 chargers needed for every Petrol pump, before considerations such as people charging at home. That motorway station has ~12 petrol pumps iirc, and 34 chargers (apparently) - so almost reaching a 3:1 ratio of chargers to pumps, which is - probably - about right, when we consider the addition of home charging etc. More chargers might be needed at this location in the future - but it's probably sufficient for the next 10+ years.

Quite simply I'm going to buy a Tesla in the future will not bothering any other manufacturer

Well, what goes around….! Here in Scotland for many years until last year the ChargePlace Scotland network rapid and fast charging was free so we always found Tesla’s charging on the CPS units and nearby or even adjacent in same car park as in Perth, would be empty and thus non Tesla’s blocked by a Tesla instead of it being in the Supercharger. Now with these V4s your Tesla owners need to get your heads around the fact they are not ‘Tesla’ chargers but ‘public’ chargers. Look at the USA and Canada now with all makes moving to the Tesla (NACS) Chargeport on their cars from 2025. Gonna be lots of non Tesla’s on them from now on. We in UK and EU use CCS2 as well as Tesla’s so soon all Chargers will be open to all. But, to compensate for this Tesla, now with Gov grants/funding will build many more sites

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes, Tesla owners are going to have to get used to the Supercharging network being just another public network, but having the advantage of being cheaper for them.

Those AC chargers are not 22kw but only 7kw...

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Both GridServe's own website and ZapMap show them as 22kW AC

@insanityideas

8 ай бұрын

Depends on the capability of your car. But Gridserve normally install 32amp 3phase chargers, I think it unlikely they would install something non standard. However it might have been putting out less than full power due to power sharing with other AC chargers at that location. Most cars can only take 11kw on 3 phase (3x16amp) or 7kw on single phase (1x32amp). 22kw charging is normally an upgrade if it's even available.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@insanityideas Yes charging rates always depend on your vehicle. Just like those Gridserve DC rapid chargers will charge hardly any EVs at 350kW. But 22kW AC is really useful for a lot of drivers as there are thousands of EVs with only AC charging. The Renault Zoe is the majority of that which can charge at 22kW (and some at 43kW AC, but not many of those chargers left now). But there's also the Renault Kangoo, Smart ForTwo, Smart ForFour, Mercedes B-Class, Renault Master and probably some others which have AC only charging. So often the AC only charging cars will have 11kW or 22kW charging capability, whereas the DC charging cars will normally only have 7kW AC capability.

@Pampalak

8 ай бұрын

I have Q210 (43kw Zoe) When I was there it was charging something over 7kw. If you don't believe me, check comments on ZapMap. Everybody reporting slow charge between 7-11kw.

Let's remember that there is a difference between the presence of a charging station and it actually working.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes true. But they are getting better. (especially if Tesla have a bigger slice of the charger network)

@user-st4et1qs8f

8 ай бұрын

In four years I’ve on,y seem two dead Tesla supercharger, but with 8+ bays, it didn’t matter. Let’s hope Gridserve & co get it together too… it doesn’t seem to be such an issue in Europe with Kople, Fastned, CircleK, Eviny and others.

LONGER AND DEARER.

Just to say many company car drivers (including me!) get their entire charging costs paid for by their employer and then pay their employer back for their private mileage at the government AFR (advisory fuel rate) which is now 10p per mile (from 1st Sep 2023). So the cost per kWh is not a consideration. (You could argue it should be as it can save your employer money though!)

@TimMorley

8 ай бұрын

Info our company does it in reverse. We have to pay all charging costs, then get 10p a mile for business use.

@danielmorris1527

8 ай бұрын

@@TimMorley Which is extremely unfair, we petitioned them to change it round. However now standard home tariffs are dropping back it's not as clear which is the best way

@TimMorley

8 ай бұрын

@@danielmorris1527 actually don't mind at moment. On Octopus agile, so if my round trip is under 200 miles I'm well in profit. It's my 500 mile weeks I loose a little. Overall though the BIK savings I'm quids in!

@Kevin-dp1vy

8 ай бұрын

Same at our company.@@TimMorley

Matt, no return of your MS yet? Can't wait until you get her home again.

Around Galway city Ireland they two charger at shopping centre Tesla would three Athentry hotel

They are appearing everywhere now, the Tesla chargers are cheaper ! What a surprise the bmw & Jaguar drivers know everything 🤪😂🤣

Tesla should always have one bay clear. Easy, if one Tesla is there and six bays four are free for other cars. If the charging station knows a car is coming it could reserve a stall. Tesla stalls should always be available to Tesla’s unless every bay is filled with Tesla.

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

Yes Tesla could do this. i.e. close stalls down to non-Tesla to allow capacity for Tesla drivers who are about to pull in. However, they would ideally need a big red/green light on the stall so you can see the status, like InstaVolt chargers have. Lighting it up red, would stop drivers pulling in and trying to use it. But then a Tesla driver coming in could be told that stall to use and can pull in to the red one, as it then turns green.

Awkward!! Fantastic news these are the newer V4 ones from Tesla as I can now use my Ioniq 5. Rapid charge prices are a total rip off from all the OTHER networks. Tesla are going to clean up. Wanting to see what happens after 1st Oct as electricity prices dropping again. Will the networks drop their prices slightly? I doubt it. They are just becoming just like the petrol/diesel suppliers - a cartel. Keep prices high and use terrible excuses to justify it.I don't own a Tesla but wishing them the very best.

And so the charging war has begun 😂

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

Yep. Not just between the networks, but also fighting over the Tesla bays!

Still no covered charging stations. It would be nice to see some.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes a site like this could easily be covered as the 24 chargers are quite confined. But then it would only add cost and put up the price. So for now, I'd rather see more rollout than less with canopies.

@fionamajor3812

8 ай бұрын

MFG and Fastned put canopies over their chargers. They don't tend to be at MSAs though.

If you were miffed as you say, you should shut your trap.

Probably enough chargers to go round now since the new legislation has kicked EV into the long grass.

You have to incentivise people to go electric, and so far it’s not looking good. The cost of the vehicle is more expensive, by and large, insurance is more expensive. Depreciation is a lot worse on EV’s and lastly unless you charge at home, running costs are more expensive than a petrol car. In 2025 EV drivers will have to start paying road tax, and because the government will be losing revenue from fuel taxes, there will be some kind of pay per mile introduced for EV cars at some point.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Some EVs are cheaper than ICE equivalents new. True most are more expensive, but the gap has decreased and it wont be long until EVs will be the same price or cheaper than ICE across the board. Deprecation has been skewed due to covid and the parts shortage. The market is starting to go back to normal. EVs will soon be depreciating the same as cars always have. Running costs more than ICE is just wrong. Even if you can only charge on the expensive public rapid chargers, they're still cheaper than ICE. Not my much, but they are cheaper. I personally are running a EV for £150 a year in fuel costs and that is without having solar. That's less than two tanks of petrol and I do 10,000 miles a year. I've got plenty of videos on the channel which shows the true running costs. Here's a short kzread.info5bm6pp80x3U?si=xBRu6ppVfi2c4OYr Yes, the Gov is losing a lot of tax from EVs and will need to claw this back in other ways as petrol and diesel is taxed so highly whereas electricity is taxed at 5% at home and 20% on public chargers.

@davidwilson4468

8 ай бұрын

An EV averaging 3 miles per kw is more expensive per mile that a petrol car if you only use public charging. There are just 6 chargers in the small town where I live and the cheapest costs 69 pence per kw, 23 pence per mile. The one in the Council car park costs 92 pence per kw for a 7kw charger with a time limit of 2 hours parking and the car park closes at 6.00 pm. My petrol car averages 16 pence per mile around town and 14 pence on a run. An EV would have to average 5 miles per kw to be 16 pence per mile if it charges at 69 pence per kw.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

@@davidwilson4468 Unfortunately, 'public charging' prices do vary significantly, and it sounds like your area is definitely overpriced (as shown by the 49p for Tesla, and lower prices - or even free! - at many locations for 7kW chargers). But it's also true that if you can't charge at home, the economics for an EV are far closer to even compared to ICE.

@davidwilson4468

7 ай бұрын

The Tesla charger in my location costs 52p per kWh, not 49p.@@logicalChimp

Zap Map shows the UK is plastered with chargers. If you want to see a dearth of chargers, look at Ireland.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

True, although once you filter out e.g. 7kW and 50kW 'slow' chargers, you start seeing some significant holes in the network popping up (e.g. especially around mid-north Wales :/)

I have had an EV for 7 years 5 months, right from free ecotricity charging times, until now. It has never been reliable, ever. The numbers available have never been enough and it is getting worse, not better as the chargers increase in number but the cars increase in number faster. Look at your show case 34 bay charging station, where is the through chargers for caravans or vehicles with trailers on, answer, there is none. Totally unfit for purpose, unlike all fuel stations that are designed for throughput, taking 5 minutes each, to re-fuel any none HGV or PSV vehicle, which have their own set up at the services, instead of being parked for an hour, taking up valuable services real estate. That is now, with very few electric cars on the road comparatively. If electric cars replace the numbers of ice cars on the road, there won't be enough space at service stations to charge them all, in the numbers there are of ice vehicles now. The whole idea is flawed and my long experience of EV's has not changed that view.

Personally I think that prices across the entire network should be standardised & set by Ofcom so that every charge in the entire country is the same price, I'd prefer it if they were all publicly owned & run not for profit but that's probably a too much to ask of especially of our current government who likes nothing more than a small minority of the population being able to milk the rest of us of all our hard earned cash, probably because they have shares in all the companies doing it.

@huggybear9922999

8 ай бұрын

Remember that is not the case for virtually every product sold. Your petrol price is different as well as home gas, electric, supermarket prices etc. Prices vary around the country.

@Mark-wx1ho

8 ай бұрын

I think you mean OFGEM. They are useless and corrupt. Taking back handers from the major oil companies and energy providers.

@user-ol6rd7pl5t

8 ай бұрын

@@huggybear9922999 In my personal opinion all public services should be publicly owned & run not for profit, all public utilites, transport, everything that we all as a community use, private transactions between for things not used by the general public is a totally different matter of course.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

Generally, the issue *isn't* the 'price of electricity' - it's the cost of the grid connection. E.g. those 12x chargers on each side need an aggregate 4.2MW grid connection (12x 350kW), which is eye-wateringly expensive... however, Tesla install a giant battery with their V4 chargers, so can probably get away with just a 2-3MW grid connection - and far lower grid-connection fees. Those grid-connection fees are added to the cost of the electricity (plus an operating profit-margin), to determine the charging cost - hence Tesla being cheaper.

i saw a video with Mike Brewer yesterday saying he has an EV but his life is too busy to wait around all day charging it . He is lying.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes I saw this too. I was annoyed at his comments and it was clearly to just please the audience of anti-EV petrol heads.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

I've just seen that he has a Porsche Taycan, so 800V and super fast charging!

Can I carry a five litre can of emergency electricity in the boot? Just in case.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Why? To start a fire?

@philiptownsend4026

7 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos Yes, an internal combustion 🔥

Tesla has been gradually chipping away at its own advantages - and now their cars are for gamers rather than mum n dad. Heroic stupidity.

All Tesla's supercharges are available to all cars, as long as the charging point is in a place that the cable can get to. In the app there is a button for non Tesla drivers to use the chargers

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Not correct. Only 26 UK Supercharger sites are open to non-Teslas. But that is changing as the open up more, especially when they install these new V4 Superchargers with longer cables and payment terminals.

@DamionSaunders

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos ok that is a fair point. The point I was trying to make though is you don't need to find one you can tap your card on the Tesla app opens up other chargers. I have no idea how many but it is not just those you tap your credit card on

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@DamionSaunders I made a video about how to find open Tesla chargers for those that are viewing this thread kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5qllrRmgLauf7g.html

This seems to be a whole new field of expertise that I shall not get involved in. So complicated and great potential to be ripped off.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

After driving EVs for 8 years now, I can honestly say its far easier and nicer than driving an ICE vehicle. That is if you can charge from home. If you can't do that, then it is more hassle.

@philiptownsend4026

7 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos Hmmmm. I like the sound of the engine and won't have the wireless on as it would spoil that. I also like to exercise and hone the skills of clutch control, balancing the speed of the car with the engine, decelerating for slow corners synchronising the brake pressure and clutch take-up on downchanges to make the actions blend seamlessly smoothly together. Feeling and hearing what the machine is doing. The strange and weird pleasure of operating a complex machine to the best of my ability and trying to improve my techniques. These pleasures are to be taken away from me and I shall be required to operate a travel appliance instead. I will never drive an EV, I can't afford one anyway.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

@@philiptownsend4026 I was the same (with a tuned RX7) - and on roads where I could actually *drive*, I really enjoyed it. However, the reality of 'driving' in the UK today is that most of the time you're stuck in traffic to some degree, with no real chance to 'enjoy' the driving. Driving hard in an EV ends up being more about speed control, lines, timing on the brake, and so on, rather than mastery of the mechanical systems... it's a different style, but it's still enjoyable in its own right... and when the roads are conjected, the simplicity / ease of one-pedal driving is so much more relaxing.

All very well having 34 chargers at this particular station and no doubt many other motorway services have them but the infrastructure for rural areas isn't there. The Highlands have very few chargers and places like this a EV is of no use We travel Europe regularly and with 2 of us as drivers do Calais to Malaga in one hit, no overnight stop, there's absolutely no way you could do this with a EV and this is where distance runs get expensive. All very well promoting EV use but power gen is another huge issue. With 100kwh chargers being used and possibly millions of vehicles on charge at any one time, meltdown and power outages at substations will become a major problem. The UK produces only around 1% of global pollution and will make virtually zero difference. Many South American, Asian ect countries will not adapt to this ridiculous zero carbon policy..

Impractical solution to an imaginary problem..

All those electric cars are rubbish scam, should be banned

That’s not true ask any EV drivers what there worst nightmare is and it charging

@Mexi257

8 ай бұрын

Not at all, its the anti-EV people spouting nonsense everyday.

@SennaTaylor-fq8lj

8 ай бұрын

@@Mexi257 no it’s not the anti-EV people nonsense, my neighbour had and electric car and he went back to ice because of the charging issues so please don’t say it’s anti-EV.

@Mexi257

8 ай бұрын

@@SennaTaylor-fq8lj so it's gone from 'any' EV driver to just your neighbour having issues with charging? 😂😂

@SennaTaylor-fq8lj

8 ай бұрын

@@Mexi257 gets life mate and stick your EV up ass

Only ok if you have 30min or more to waste your time at the service station.

@djtaylorutube

8 ай бұрын

When we drove down to Switzerland, that was pretty much two 30 minute charges from Calais onwards. Weird thing is that we stopped because we wanted the loo, breakfast and lunch. Zero journey time impact (the car was ready before we were) but each to their own of course.

@logicalChimp

7 ай бұрын

@@djtaylorutube Alas, peopel are used to starting journeys with only partial fuel tanks (can't top up the tank at home), and thus being 'forced' to stop to fill the car, rather than because they're ready for a break... presuming you can charge from home, it's a completely different mindset on longer journeys (ignoring folk that try to 'iron-man' a 5hr journey etc... idiots).

@djtaylorutube

7 ай бұрын

@@logicalChimp yes and the funny thing is that I'm constantly told "it only takes me three minutes to fill my car with petrol!" and I watched an hour long queue into Costco today, to then spend three minutes filling up with petrol. There's pros and cons of everything but being told what my experience is by someone with zero experience, who then tries to tell me what ICE experience is, without contemplating that I've been doing that for over four decades already is just mind bending.

I do have an EV and I still say there are no where near enough chargers yet and as EVs become more mainstream the issue will just get worse .. as you say there are 34 chargers at that location .. great , what happens when say 40% of the cars at that place are EVs who all want to charge ?? Also the Tesla superchargers can offer a much cheaper price to all drivers if you just pay a £10 monthly subscription .. joining the service lowers the per kWh price and using the chargers during off peak hours lowers the cost even more. Something needs to be done about providers like gridserve , AG electric , instavolt etc overcharging by such a ridiculous amount

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes we need more. But EVs wont all be charging every time. I only drive 200 mile range EVs and I almost never use a public charger, yet frequently do 3 hour motorway drives. I only use them when I make videos, just for extra content. But I rarely actually need to charge. I frequently visit motorway services for the toilet/food/break etc and not for refuelling. As more newer EVs come onto the roads, with 300+ ranges, it wont be the disaster people think. Yes we do need more and much more. But we're doing well, especially over the last 12 months. I just hope the recent 5 year delay isn't going to delay the investment and continued rollout.