Amusing watching the guy in the background clearly on the phone to the BP helpline. Some thing just never change…

I suspect that setup for the disabled charger bays was a compromise to ensure that a charge cable can easily reach the charge point on the car, front or rear, and be handled by somebody with disabilities. BP Pulse should be congratulated for providing such facilities.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes, I thought that. But I wonder why they installed dual headed units rather than single headed ones. Seems a waste of money. Or maybe someone cocked up the purchasing!

@kiteless1

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos just one model for spares, and contingency in case there’s a problem with one connector? Assuming BP Pulse care about reliability now it makes some sense!

@trevorberridge6079

8 ай бұрын

Gridserve hubs also provide disabled facilities with proper disabled parking bays.

@RWBHere

8 ай бұрын

Maybe it was done to to try to ensure that there's still a useable cable if the other one is damaged.@@GoGreenAutos

@vincentobrien1853

8 күн бұрын

12:54 45jk😂

Good, in depth video and also showing the disabled bays. 👍

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Thanks. It was the parking situation that I particularly wanted to cover, as its ignored on so many other articles & reviews.

I was in Berkshire this weekend and shocked by the lack of chademo fast chargers vs CCS. It definitely doesn’t instil confidence when roaming further from home. The first services had only one vs about twenty CCS, and that was broken! The second - Cobham - had three vs about twenty CCS.

@GoGreenAutos

3 ай бұрын

It does depend on the network. At Cobham, its primarily Ionity (see kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5doz7NmaNezgLw.htmlsi=gV6OIuM9cIgTlT5c) and they don't fit Chademo. However, at other services where its other networks, they're still fitting Chademo. At Chieveley where Gridserve have just installed 12 DC chargers (see kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y36m25huYLGfe9I.htmlsi=UoHBnjZ9HOJuu2YW), but 6 of them have Chademo too. So Chademo not dead yet.

NEC parking could be as high as £20 a day for shows, years back! SO in context..not so bad. Plus there will be a shuttle bus to the shows.

New large BP one at Kettering, A45 junction with A43. Coffee, toilet, and a chargemaster unit too. No roof though

The arrangement for the AC chargers makes sense given it’s aimed at the people who would normally be paying for one of the other car parks at the NEC for an event or show - having a dedicated “EV” car park will avoid bays being blocked and also make it easier for visitors to locate on what is already quite a complex site. It’s essentially in a different category to the charging hub and is not designed for non-NEC visitors to charge. Would have been good if they stuck 4x 22kW bays or something in the charging hub section though for the vehicles that can use it.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yep, you got it. So many others here haven't. This setup is spot on for the NEC. AC charging for visitors to the NEC. DC charging to passers by. Yes, a few 3-phase AC chargers in the DC hub is the only thing that is missing, for the AC only charging vehicles. There's quite a few out there...Zoe, Kangoo, Master, ForTwo, ForFour, B-class and probably others.

Thanks for the detailed info on how to park and the prices. Flippin' 'eck though those parking prices make me almost glad I cant get out much! Cheers Matt, useful video.👍

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Parking costs like this are pretty common nowadays. Someone commented above that the Hilton over the road from this site is £14 to park in their car park.

@michaeldawson6309

Ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos Shocking parking rates. When we go to events at the NEC for business parking is free. I will stay away for leisure visits.

@GoGreenAutos

Ай бұрын

@@michaeldawson6309 It depends on the event. Some are free, some are not. I had to pay £10 the last time I went to an event there.

£18 to park for the day AND the 7kW chargers are £0.59 a kWh! could easily spend another £35 charging slowly there. I'd just use a super charger on route for 42p/kWh it's crazy they charge that much for PAID destination charging

@OverlandExpedition

8 ай бұрын

Or just buy a petrol/diesel car and save a fortune, EV higher purchase price and eye watering depreciation.

Thanks for the information. I've booked my space here for the Solar and Storage show the week after next. Funny they didn't even mention it on their website given the nature of the show.

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

That's poor. You would have thought that they would have highlighted the new charge hub as it goes hand in hand with the show.

Thanks Matt, great video as always and glad for the disability specific info.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

Yes lovely new chargers all ready to take as much money out of your pocket. Lovely 👍

Thanks for the update. I've got a gig there in November and had seen this had just opened up! That will be handy to charge for 3hours on AC. Just hope the price comes down a bit!

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Glad it helped.

That's a massive hub. Do those solar canopies work better as a shelter when they are installed back to back? Like at the fastned facility.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes they would, if the rain was from that direction. On the day I was there, the rain was coming from the front. They're just too tall and short. Still, if they were lower, it wouldn't allow for vans to charge.

Now we just need about 300 more of these hubs spaced across the UK road network.

Pre booked parking prices. Ordinary parking £10.95, ev charging parking £12.95. All per day.

If all the DC bays are in use where do you park up to wait?

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

There's free parking outside the Starbucks...about 15 days. But I guess if this hub was full, a queue would form on the entrance road.

That's more like it. The front charging point on the Zoe is so easy.

They are not 150 KW chargers, they go at 100kw at best. I used them this weekend.

3:22 Some large vehickes like buses use dual CCS

It was £14 to park in the Hilton over the road earlier this year for a company event. Next time I could just about justify parking there instead to charge overnight and save a rapid charge.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

You'd have to be out of the car park by 8am though.

You asked how to get to the NEC from the ac chargers. It’s 0.3 mile, 8 minute walk according to google

I pay 0. 35p for a tesla Supercharger on the road. 0.29p at home for my model Y long range. I do long motorway driving every other day. No other costs or monthly or subscriptions. No messing around with apps. Pull up to the tesla charger grab the cable. Push the button on the cable for the flap to open and plug it in. That's it. No messing around with payment apps or any of that. The tesla sat Nav also plans my charing spots for me based on the round trip journey I put it. These prices are insane. If you dare to take your non tesla electric car on the road trip. These prices will be almost the same as fuel costs in some places.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes, nothing beats a Tesla for long distance driving. Mine has free Supercharging, so its even better!

@spacemanwho

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos your one of the original OGs 😊 I spoke to a S driver who had free supercharging. Told me his never had to pay for charging in the 5+ years since his had his S. His got a Supercharger less then 10 mins from where he lives. Pretty awesome.

@NickFoster

8 ай бұрын

If you're doing that much driving have you looked into cheap overnight tariffs for home? On Intelligent Octopus I'm paying 31p/kWh during the day but only 7.5p/kWh overnight and it works out way cheaper than a standard tariff even though I only do about 7k miles a year.

@spacemanwho

8 ай бұрын

100% I plan on moving house in a few months and will be having a dedicated wall charger plus will be looking at changing tariffs. Right now, im just using a 3pin at home so the speed vs rates doesn’t make that much of a difference. I did 3-hour drive (one way) on Wednesday, made 2 pitstops (weak bladder) the car could have done that entire journey on 1 charge. I decided to stop at a SC near my destination, Darlington supercharger at the Holiday Inn. Went in, grabbed some food, back out in 30ish mins and the car was back up to 85%. Yesterday was similar trip down towards London, Stopped at Mimms services M25 for a quick bite and catch up with an old friend. all stalls where busy, there was one opening i initially plugged myself in , but then a 3 came around and queued up, as i already had enough juice, i got my car out and gave him the spot. 1.5 hrs latter charged up for 30 mins and back on the road before the 2 hours free parking was up. Mimms also had some gridserve chargers,. I walked over to check the rates 70p! kWH wow and zero bays where being used. its been insanely the most relaxing drives iv been doing once I got my head around autopilot and other then the odd freak out while doing a lane change the experience has been great. I’ve had adaptive cruise control on my range rovers before, but this is the first time iv been mentally refreshed and rested as well as physically, if that make sense.

Just used this site for the classic car show and most of the destination chargers not working. Typical BP pulse

I don’t support BP as a fossil fuel company, but I have to say their BP Pulse branch AC and DC chargers are excellent. They display the lowest losses I have come across: 0%-2.5% for DC and AC. The app is ugly but works to start a charge or look at how the session is doing. The only other providers I have come across that come close are Instavolt and Connected curb (0.5%-3% of losses). The new Gridserve chargers are also decent (3-8%). MFG EV Power DC chargers work and are easy to use but their losses are more in the 9%-15% range, which is not good for DC.

@TL-xw6fh

8 ай бұрын

I assume that you drive for years using fossil-fuelled cars, so which petroleum company did you support if you did not support BP?

@Nikoo033

8 ай бұрын

@@TL-xw6fh “when the wise points to the moon, some choose to look at his finger”…

@jozefrockatansky8620

7 ай бұрын

​@@Nikoo033and others will just dodge the question it seems.

I see huge generators behind? They are running on what exactly?🤣

When I was round there earlier in the year there were signs for tesla chargers but I could not see any sign of them

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

You probably saw signs for the Tesla collection centre. They use one of the NEC halls for new car collections.

I Supercharged my Model Y this morning at £0.35p per kWh, I can afford a Tesla, I can't afford BP Pulse.

@haydensmith888

8 ай бұрын

0.35p per KWH is cheap compared to some others I’ve seen!! Shell recharge was 0.75p per kWh the other day

@lharris828

8 ай бұрын

I don't think that the comparison is valid. The 35p is in addition to the other monthly cost - isn't it? The BP pulse charge is a flat (far too high) fee.

@Nickbaldeagle02

8 ай бұрын

I refuse to buy a Tesla. Elon Musk is a Russian collaborater.

@2skydream

8 ай бұрын

@@Nickbaldeagle02😂 Good joke

@gordonmcmillan4709

8 ай бұрын

@@haydensmith888 That's pretty much the point. I believe that Tesla prices supercharging to make a very small profit, so if Shell is taking £0.75p it has to be for the shareholders.

Nice Video. So there are 150 white elephants and 30 very expensive rapid chargers. The price per kw is the highest i've seen, this is a hard pass from me. Unless your going to the NEC and want a rapid charge before going home then this station is of limited use imo. 61p at tesla for a non tesla owner (at peak price) makes this look terrible value.

59ppkw for 7kw ac. P1ss take.

@brettsta72

8 ай бұрын

Another case of big oil trying to maintain the status quo. Wayne Kerrs.

If one is going to a show 7kw all day is a good idea.

To pay for those AC spaces, surely that parking cost includes the charging cost?

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

No it doesn't. Parking cost goes to NEC. Charging cost is BP.

I think there is a new Chinese car that can have two chargers connected, was in out of spec KZread channel. As mentioned at the time might cause a few arguments at a normal charge point

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

A bit like the old Jag with twin fuel tanks!

83pence per kW that's a rip off

Bonkers

This is 16 x 300kW rapid chargers close to the M6 & M42, exactly the kind of charging infrastructure we need to see more of And it’s great that the NEC are adding AC chargers to their car parks, they need to do this for every space. You have to pay to park at the NEC, they are treating the EV drivers that same as the ICE drivers

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

"they are treating the EV drivers that same as the ICE drivers"...exactly. But others here are disgraced at this. The reality is that we all have to pay to park at the NEC.

@bill_heywood

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos it's bizarre. Of course you need to pay for parking at the NEC if you are there for the day (I know it used to be free). The ability to AC charge and come back to a fully charged car is still a huge benefit

Ireland €189 a litre petrol diesel €183 litre could €2 euro litre next week petrol

I guess the electricity just comes from the grid. I wonder if it would be worth having a battery storage on mass for the cheap over night recharge to buffer the chargers. Then they could solar the canopies. Maybe they do in better climates.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

The canopy is solar here. I showed it in the video.

The Chademo connectors have to be kept on all new DC chargers for now as a lot of Nissan Leaf 2nd gen are coming to the used market and will be the 1st EV for thousands of people for years to come.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm sure Chademo will continued to be fitted for many years to come.

@arekfpv3631

8 ай бұрын

I have seen many new rapid chargers with a CCS plug only. This is why I will get rid of my Nissan Leaf 2 gen next year. And if you find any chademo most of the time they are not working here in NI.

@8skellerns

8 ай бұрын

Cheaper to have a diesel than to use BP Pulse rapids!!!

@jozefrockatansky8620

7 ай бұрын

Don't count on it. We just had that removed from all our charging machines across multiple sites, and before that choice, ours was broken for about 10 months.

@8skellerns

7 ай бұрын

@@jozefrockatansky8620 Well you obviously werent repairing them was you!

I am registered disabled and if the spaces are for disabled in the 7kw i may not need to pay?

@judebrown4103

8 ай бұрын

Mmm in my experience most car parks with electronic barriers end up charging blue badge holders the same as everyone else for as long as they can get away with it...🤬

That’s amazing. Although so you really need 30x 150kw chargers at this facility? Future expansion could include 3.6kw granny charging if power infrastructure costs or capacity are a limitation. If you’re gonna be there all day, perfectly sufficient for most.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Its only 0.5 miles from the M42 junction, so handy to have so many rapid chargers on a motorway.

£0.85/kWh is crazy tariff though. 😅 There are certainly some new Gridserve at £0.69/kWh nearby and soon Tesla will open its network for all at £0.55-£0.65/kWh. That will teach them 😂

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes, hopefully some competition will drive down the prices.

@Markcain268

8 ай бұрын

No cheaper than petrol lol

@Nikoo033

8 ай бұрын

@@Markcain268 literally 16% cheaper still in my case, but yes, they’re taking the piss.

@hishamg

8 ай бұрын

@@Markcain268it is if you charge at home, which is what you would do most of the time.

@entity_dragons2013

8 ай бұрын

​@@Markcain268charge for free at work ,😅 do you get a free tank off fuel at your work nope😂

Think I'll stick to charging my Tesla at 250 kwh chargers at 39p thanks. No way you'll get 150 speed at those, probably 70-80 if you're lucky.

There have been so many lies told about EV fires. Imagine if those cases went to court and lies which are known as the very serious crime of perjury were told in a court of law. That perjury is a separate very serious crime. Imagine also that lies told about what was the source or cause of a fire would seriously affect the apportionment of blame and liability of separate insurers, that could result in the serious crime of fraud by either the insured or the insurers of a car or bike or house. An innocent insurer will never wish to take responsibility for another insurers losses.

Great video :) Sadly only two semi accessible bays for disabled users, even then the forward bollards will obstruct those using WAV’s, not very good really from BP Pulse :(

Ireland has not anything like that yet it is amazing petrol stations on the way out

A step forward yes. But being close to the NEC, you just know on event days, people will turn up early plug-in to AC or DC, go to the event and disappear for the entire day.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Well the AC chargers are designed for that. That is why the parking ticket is for 10 hours. On the DC chargers, I think there's overstay charges to stop hogging.

@dcvariousvids8082

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos - Yes, £10 per hour over 90mins. But if you’re going to an event, two rounds of drinks and lunch, would probably cost more than 8x £10 fines and you’d save on event parking.

Pricing is rather excessive, as always with BP and Shell , I won’t be using them. It’s a shame it’s not a Grid Serve facility.

Bit bonkers! The camping and caravan show ticket has parking included, to then add another £18 AND charging kWh on top makes absolutely no sense at all. It's not thought out at all.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Good point, many shows have parking included. They should then allow you in the hub carpark if you have a valid show ticket.

BP and other oil companies are really working hard to -rip you off- ensure that their electricity prices make driving an EV more expensive than a petrol or Diesel car. At 85p per kWh, that's 17p per mile if your car does 5 miles per kWh. (My ZE50 does about 5.6 miles on average.) Some suppliers charge you even more than that for electricity.

Hey do seem to have forgotten all the Zoe owners out there, especially those with 43kw AC but even 22kw AC, could be good, should only take up to about 30 to 40 mins for a charge! There is even a spare connection hole in the machine itself, so it a mystery as to why there are no AC connectors!

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes its a shame that 22kW+ AC is so rare now. Its so cheap to install too, as 3-phase AC is already there at these sites if they've got DC rapids.

As far as I’m concerned this is a rip off at BP prices, it wasn’t even BP who made the major part of the investment. If I visit the NEC in my Tesla I will not be giving them any of my money, I’ll stop at Rugby on my way home.

4 ccs connections and two parking spaces for it is a bit stupid😂

@Brian-om2hh

8 ай бұрын

Why knock it? At least it's there! The biggest gripe was always no chargers.......

@George-iy8dd

8 ай бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh But there are only 2 parking spaces...

@NickFoster

8 ай бұрын

It's BP Pulse, they're expecting half of them to be out of order 🤣

The Rapid Chargers are a waste of time for visitors to the NEC. You would have to plug in, wait for your car to charge, then go and find another place to park before going to see an exhibition or show. The 7kW chargers are far too expensive to use.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes but only half a mile off the M42, so handy for anyone. I'd use them when visiting the NEC, doing a quick charge before driving home. It's probably better than stopping at the busy motorway services.

@woolychewbakker5277

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos I will pop there tomorrow and have a look :-)

@woolychewbakker5277

8 ай бұрын

The Rapid Charger installation is no different to many others going in now. Reading Services, which is actually on the motorway, has 34 Rapid Chargers for all to use 😊 The slow chargers are not part of the “Hub”, they are distributed around various car parks for those attending shows at the venue.

I would like to know what type of emergency services are on site, particularly in the event of a thermal runaway.. With so many EV's in a small area, possibly all plugged into chargers and charging. I wouldn't want to be parked next to a Chines BYD, as they do have a regular habit of catching fire.Imagine 180 EV's scrambling to get away en mass from a fire and to an exit, it would be like a mixture of Wacky Races and "The Keystone Cops". This smacks of an effort to show that large scale charging is possible, but it has been planned and approved by a bunch of six year old's who failed their H&S primary school exam.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

What type of emergency services is at a petrol station, when you're pumping that explosive gas? A petrol station is a far greater risk. And of course there are accidents, but it doesn't make the news like a single EV fire does.

@mdf2mdf287

8 ай бұрын

​@@GoGreenAutos Aha, that old chestnut coming out of the woodwork. But for the BEV community who suffer from a deficiency of the IQ gene let us get serious and look at a few simple statistics. Petrol Stations have, as per regulations, 1 fire extinguisher and 1 sand fire bucket per 2 fuel dispensers, plus a direct land line contact to fire emergency services. Whereas .EV en route charging stations, as the one in this video, commonly have ZERO. total fire suppressant facilities, and no landline contact with the fire services.. Liquid/vapour fires are easily and quickly extinguished using Foam or CO2 fire suppressant devices, EV thermal runaway fires are almost impossible to extinguish, unless you have 30,000 gallons of water knocking about. Petrol station total loss fires don't make the news very often as there are so few......only 1 in 2023, and that was arson, and none for many years prior to that. However, here is why EV fires do.....Quote, "This is demonstrated in London Fire Brigade’s figures for EV fires, which jumped from 32 fires in 2020 to 102 in 2021. In the first half of this year alone, there have been 98 incidents recorded". .cesafety.co.uk/news/data-reveals-extent-of-electric-vehicle-fires-around-the-uk/ Since 1996 there have been 7 petrol station fires where total loss occurred with 19 vehicle losses. Since 1996 there has been a total of 2062 total loss EV fires recorded. There are 40.8 MILLION cars registered in the UK, of which 800 thousand are BEV or Hybrid. Now let's say that 50% of those cars refuel each day, so 20.4 million, and let's say 400 thousand EV's recharge each day. The number of EV fires Jan 2023 to June 2023 = 98, the number of petrol station fires for the same period = 1 (arson). Which odds would you choose, 1 in 24,400,000 or 1 in 4000 for the.risk of a vehicle fire. Oh, and let's not get too dramatic with your typical EV rhetoric of calling it an "explosive gas", whereas in reality it is a vapour, in an extensively vented area, that needs an ignition source to ignite, so unless you have your Woodbine's on the go, a fire is 1 in 366,600,000,000, chance of happening, (that is a 366 Billion 600 Million to 1 chance since 1/1/23). If you charge your EV in your garage you should watch this....and if you live in a tower complex with an underground car park with charging facilities there......make sure you have good fire insurance. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hX2kus2KmNSXoNY.html or just on an EV bus kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmtlxbihqKrFppc.html

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@mdf2mdf287 Yes EV can and do catch fire, but the stats show that 20 times more ICE vehicles do. So probably there's no emergency services at charging hubs because its not justified as the risk is too low.

@mdf2mdf287

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos Now then, lets have a see.....Your claim of "20 times more likely" you plucked from a article written by Daniel Bleakley (a clean technology researcher....no bias there then), in "Driven Magazine Australia" The only trouble with that is that there is no hard factual peer reviewed data in the article to back up the claim. In fact, looking through dozens of peer reviewed papers I can't find anyone who will put a hard figure and commit on this claim or any other So I have to say, the old maxim of "if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it" springs to mind, and the figures in the lie range from "15 times more likely" to "27 times more likely"....depending where you look, but none of them give any peer reviewed data to back up their claim. Most pundits just selectively pluck out the figures they want to see from Regional Fire Brigade logs. But, non the less, if the fire brigade data is to be relied upon. then lets weigh this up. We know in the first six months of this year there have been 98 EV total loss fires and you say that ICE vehicles are 20 times more likely to be total loss due to fire, so that means there should have been 1960 ICE vehicle total loss fires in the same period. There are 42 FRA's in England so this means that EVERY ONE OF THE 42 will have dealt with 46.6 total loss ICE fire in the same period.....! And we haven'y got on to the ratio's of miles driven per group and sub-group yet Your serve.....let's see if you can get it over the net this time.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@mdf2mdf287 No, the 20 times is "plucked" from stats from Sweden where they have a high EV ratio and therefore more accurate stats on this sort of thing.

Total rip-off for parking and also for charging I will continue to use my hybrid with 500 miles to a tank of fuel

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

But does anyone give you free fuel when you park that?

No 22kw AC chargers 👎

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Nope. Shame they're all ignoring the AC only charging vehicles.

@darrensimon6181

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos 22kw seems to be getting less and less. But they are still catering for chdemo.

I hope those AC chargers are free to use then, if they’re expecting you to pay £12.50 for parking. Never mind, just got to 10 minutes in the video 😅

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

No, nothing is free.

@jozefrockatansky8620

7 ай бұрын

Why should they be free? You're paying to park, not charge, that's extra.

I got a free BP Pulse membership with my car. Used it for two years and found the network woeful! I won’t be supporting BP, most certainly won’t be paying for a subscription and absolutely will not pay these exorbitant prices unless I’m really desperate. BP, just give your customers a descent price, contactless payment and a functioning customer service department then you may do well. Operating like this, you will continue to come in near the bottom of every network survey. Shame, as this looks like a fantastic facility.

Crazy that the flat parking fee doesn't include AC charging!!

It's worth noting for the benefit of the "there's nowhere to charge" trolls that there are more chargers at modern hubs than I ever see at any petrol/diesel forecourt. The practicalities of installing fuel pumps mean you are limited to the number you can have. You also have to build petrol/diesel forecourts with enough room to allow fuel trucks to make deliveries (during which time the forecourt is closed). For EV hubs you can cram in dozens of chargers much easier and you never have to close down in order to deliver the "fuel". Even hydrogen hubs have to stop operating while they top up. EV hubs don't. In the UK the number of chargers per EV vehicle totally outweighs the number of petrol/diesel pumps per ICE vehicle. Yes, that will change as numbers of EVs grow. But, the number of chargers will also grow. We are currently very much on target for the number required by 2030 onwards.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Yes this "there's no where to charge" trolling is getting tired. For years now there's been more charging locations than petrol stations. There's now 75,769 connectors across 29,062 locations in the UK. We still need more, but we're on the right path and the UK is doing pretty well.

@jozefrockatansky8620

7 ай бұрын

Just going to point out that no, a forecourt does not have to stop serving fuel whilst taking a delivery of fuel so that part of your argument is straight out the window. You CAN if you want to, but that is mostly down to if the tanker driver needs it closed off for any reason (rarely) or if the site manager wants a slightly easier time working out fuel variance when it comes to the paperwork side of things...so no, forecourts don't need to close.

I miss your Tesla 😂

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Not as much as me!

Only 30 million more to go.

@richarddavis759

8 ай бұрын

Nailed it.

@jozefrockatansky8620

7 ай бұрын

You forgot the other important bit...we then need enough power for it all too.

basically contactless payment is double tesla supercharger. another reason to buy only tesla when it comes to ev. despite the improvement in charging infrastructure, if you ain't got a tesla you pay through the nose at the same cost per mile as a petrol car. hmmm hope tesla bring out a compact car soon

@GoGreenAutos

7 ай бұрын

I think the compact car (model 2) will be 4+ years away yet, for the UK at least. The new Mexico factory clearly isn't going to be built in a year as they originally planned.

@gazlives

7 ай бұрын

They are building them first in Texas now it seems, but agree will be several years before uk sees them :(

Downvoted for very poor choice of weather ... (only joking). NIce to see this especially all the AC which is very well suited to this situation.

Considering the profit BP made in last quarter they should be free.but still a good effort from a fossil company

When evs have over a 500 mile range , and they will, public charging won't be needed so much which will be good, less hassle and cheaper.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

The vast majority of people (in the UK) don't need a 500 mile EV. Some do, so I'm sure they'll be available. But smaller batteries make the cars significantly cheaper and they charge faster too.

@whocares264

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos smaller battery cars are cheaper to run and the batteries last longer, so many times i hear smaller batteries charge faster, this is total rubbish , in fact it is the opposite the the bigger battery and smaller battery slows charging (throttles) at 80% the small battery will have a 100 miles of range the bigger battery will have 200 miles of range, it.s like saying a half pint glass fill quicker than a pint glass, der you get the half pint at the same length of time and the bigger battery is less stressed...gogreenautos ...really.

BP pulse is a complete ripoff.. they really should be not in the charging game. Just charging people as much as possible.....

Over priced chargers, overpriced parking and overpriced coffee, and all in the wrong place, need to be on a motorway.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

It is only 0.6 miles from the motorway junction, which is less than some motorway services!

@williamcox1176

8 ай бұрын

Fair enough.

So glad I bought a Tesla!

IT SAYS 180 hook ups.......BUT a quick look on arrival tells me its nearer the norm' of 30! OH what a delight !, once I have found a vacant plug I get going.........& look forward to spending hours filling my gut with VERY expensive cakes & coffee....Thats before you are charged £0.83 kwh to charge "A great place to see" he says........Really mate, you need to get out a bit more to see places OF INTEREST........NOT farcical parks of ev hook ups...... .OH sorry I forgot, thats what you have to do all day insnt it ? looking for a charge point to waste YET MORE HOURS SITTING AROUND A DRAFTY WET SO-CALLED HUB !, while the rest of the country IN THEIR ice VEHICLES...... IS ALREADY FINSISHED FOR THE DAY & SITTING AT HOME RELAXING..... MADNESS PREVAILS.....

Ill dread the day i have to drive an elecrtric car theyre too expensive dont go far and the batteries use a massive carbon foot print and dont forget youre still burning ffosil fuels when charging.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

But no one is making you drive an EV. New ICE vehicles aren't banned until 2035, so you've got 12 years to buy a new one (if the OEMs are still offering them by then), then about a 15-20 year life. So they'll be loads on the roads for the next 30+ years. Plus then loads of "classics" (which have not been converted to electric).

@jozefrockatansky8620

7 ай бұрын

​@@GoGreenAutos"Nobody is making you". Odd...when dealerships are given targets of how many ICE vehicles can be sold per year etc, that gets reduced year by year...that kind of forces them upon people by removing the choice of ICE shortly down the line.

EV Cars are not Green. Production of the Electricity makes CO2. They are 'greener' than ICE cars but not by much.

@rogerstarkey5390

8 ай бұрын

EV cars (generally) use the same grid mix that is used to refine fossil fuel. (WHEN they don't use home solar, becoming more common!) . Well assume "pollution from grid" to be equal since the amount of electrical energy required to refine sufficient fuel to run a vehicle for let's say 1,000 miles is roughly equivalent to the amount required to move an equivalent EV the same distance.... . You might suggest that makes them equal? BUT The ICE vehicle requires the fuel to be refined, *which is in itself a polluting process* . The ICE vehicle still has to burn the fuel in the engine.. Again *a polluting process* EV Cars (vehicles) are greener than ICE cars by *A LOT* (Easy to figure out if you start from the same point in each process.... Generating the grid energy?) . Oh, I forgot. We can add the transport of the refined fuel to point of use, which itself requires a fleet of tankers burning refined fuel (see above) Double whammy.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Correct, EVs are not green. They're still huge machines which are often just moving one person around. If you want green transport, get a bicycle. But they are greener than ICE vehicles and proper studies (not Daily Mail FUD articles) by people far cleverer and more informed than you and me, show they are greener in about a year (or less) and of course continue to get greener as our grid continues to get more renewables added.

@Mark-wx1ho

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos I have an Ariya on order. Evolve+. To be delivered Feb 24. Can't wait.

@steve_787

8 ай бұрын

You'd be surprised at the difference and to elaborate on Roger's point. Autoexpress (17th Aug 2022) have the average carbon emissions to make an ICE car at 5.6 tons and an EV at 8.8 tons. So 3.2 ton difference. A good petrol car emits around 130g of C02 per km so 214.4g per mile. An EV charged in the UK from the grid only, lets assume they have no home solar so all grid based, during 2022 (MyGridGB data average for the year) shows 236g C02 per kWh and dividing that by an average of 3.5mi per kWh gives a figure of 67.4g of CO2 per mile. Giving a saving of 147g per mile driven. This means the breakeven point is 21768 miles (if driven in one year). That figure is also likely to be less, given that the grid is becoming greener over time, which I haven't factored in, so would likely show a reduction in miles driven to around 18k ish if driven over a 2-3 years. After this point, the petrol car would be pumping 147g of C02 MORE into the air per mile than the EV. Give it another 38k miles (60k total) and the EV would have complete offset the 5.6 tons of the ICE car plus the 3.2 ton uplift of the EV. After that it still pollutes (if charged from the grid) but will be a lot less. By the time most have driven 60k miles (from today) we should be at the 2030 target of 100g CO2 per kwh from the grid. That means the EV would be emitting 28.5g so a 185.9g saving per mile. An EV should only get "greener" to drive whereas an ICE (maintained properly) will still be the same.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@steve_787 Excellent points. However, if you're comparing the fuel generation of an EV with an ICE vehicle, you also have to look at the fossil fuel generation too and not just the exhaust pipe emissions. This is something that is conveniently ignored by most comparisons. Maybe partly because the data isn't easy to get or is purposely hidden. But if you factor in the oil rigs, pumps, ships, helicopters, refineries, delivery trucks, petrol stations etc to get that fuel to the vehicle, I suspect the story is very different. I completely agree we need to look at the battery production, mining, electricity generation etc, but then also please do look at the fossil fuel industry and not ignore it.

Why are there Disabled charing bays? Totally unecessary. PC gone mad.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

Oh my...watch the comments come!

@Mark-wx1ho

8 ай бұрын

@@GoGreenAutos I just don't get it.

@GoGreenAutos

8 ай бұрын

@@Mark-wx1ho Its primarily about having extra space around the car and having the chargers within the bay and not behind a kerb. A wheelchair user will still battle with the heavy charge cable though.

@judebrown4103

8 ай бұрын

​@@Mark-wx1howell then you're very lucky....but do try to imagine yourself with a weakened body sitting in a chair which you have fought to remove from your car, pissibly in a great deal of pain. Then imagine being confronted by bump stops with no gap for your wheelchair and a machine with a screen too high to see let alone reach and a cable also placed our of reach. Now you have to get your chair back in the car and go and find somewhere else to charge. Think on this: anyone of us can become a disabled person in the blink of an eye through illness or accident. Equality of access is your right and mine.

@Mark-wx1ho

8 ай бұрын

@@judebrown4103 I didn't see much difference between the disabled and non-disabled spots, but I do understand where you are coming from.