Public charging is a rip off unless you have a Tesla, so best to stick with home charging octopus (7.5p per kwh). Remember as well public charging should be compared to filling up at motorway stations as that's where people tend to use them tbh For me personally Tesla Model Y I do 300 miles for about £5 from home.

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

Yeah the difference between public charging and charging at home is wild!

@andyc9331

6 ай бұрын

So if anyone wants to do a road trip then they have to take their house with them or dont go far away from their home? Dumb comment, indeed.

@hydraflyer

6 ай бұрын

@@andyc9331 dumb response indeed. no, for Dan's journey I would of done this without public charging once. If you do public charge use zapmap and find cheaper charges at different locations rather than main motorway stations. And yes it will be pricy, but an EV will save you an absolute fortune (For me over £300 a month) if you are doing up to 150 miles from your home.

@andyc9331

6 ай бұрын

@@hydraflyer Yeah buy a £40k car to go 150 miles away from your home cos going farther is too expensive....EV`s are good (for now) if all you do is go a few miles from your home but is it? How much you overpay for the car at the dealers? How much for your insurance? Any accidents where there is possibility that battery pack is damaged? Also check out EV fires, good stuff.

@andrewwaller5913

6 ай бұрын

Maybe but you've got to spend 30k or more on a Tesla in the first place. You can buy a used diesel for 2k and fill up in 5 mins and drive to Scotland.

The trick is to fill at home overnight to 100% when about to drive a good distance the next day. The Kia Soul is good for 250 miles even in poor weather so only one very short top-up at expensive motorway prices would be required to complete the round trip and get back to the cheap home charger.

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

That would be ideal. What will be interesting is to see how they start to combat public charging for terraced houses without driveways.

@solentbum

6 ай бұрын

@@ItsDanLatham There is a recent Government paper on the subject of 'price competition' at Motorway service areas, maybe that will have some effect! There are several systems available for kerbside charging, all it needs is for your local council to find the money to install.

@aacmove

24 күн бұрын

And what is the trick when you have no home charger?

@Hitstirrer

24 күн бұрын

@@aacmove TBH public charging is now very expensive and I would not recommend an EV to anyone unable to charge at home. Especially if they want to drive it long distances and put in high mileages.

@aacmove

24 күн бұрын

@@Hitstirrer I've always said, the day I don't need a car is the day I will get an EV. As I don't ever see myself owning a house.

I run a 64Kwh LEAF, its just turned 22K miles and 52 weeks old. It was five months before I used a charge point away from , until then all of my mileage was at the low overnight rate for electricity. During the year I have managed a 'road trip' of just over 2000 miles, and a couple of trips of over 350 miles. The away from home costs are high but are more than offset by the cost savings for my normal motoring. I wonder what are the true MPGs of diesels using the motorway, my Discovery never got better than 32 mpg average, and even my Panda Diesel only managed 55 'on a run'.

Hi mate , Can you cruise on the motorway like cos an ev use more charge quickly at motorway speeds? Like at a decent speed ?

I average 400km per mth, I have a 2007 2.2l Vito van, which unfortunately only gets 10l/100km 8.7 on trip, thats $150 per mth just fuel. Have had a new MG4 for the last 2 mths, same 400km but fuel costs zero. My electricity provider gives me free power for 1hr for any off peak hour I choose. New Zealand.

I never feel the need to get a McD every time I do a 3 minute fill up

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

I don't suppose you would, its more the sort of thing you plan for because you know you'll be waiting around a while!

Living in Northamptonshire I have driven my 3 year old 64kw Kona EV to Scotland, Lands end in Cornwall and Isle of Wight on different holidays and never had a problem finding a charger but it does help to plan the area your visiting for a home bound charge. Happy motoring 🚙🚗🛻🚗

Just get yourself a Tesla, secondhand they are under 25 grand for a 20 K Miler. Use their supercharging that always works and are everywhere, you’ll be absolutely fine. And quids in compared to any ice car.

40 quid for 118 miles!!...... it cost me £20 from bristol to gatwick and back in my hybrid.... now ask why i ditched my Ioniq5

Last December I was considering a new car so I decided to try and find out how an EV would work on one of my regular journeys. I downloaded Zap map to give me an overview of places I could charge if I were driving an EV. The first charger on my route I could use was 45 miles from home, the next two were out of service, and the next at 188 miles was working but at 7Kw would have taken hours to charge. I could have driven off my route to charge adding 20 to 30 miles to my journey and with no idea of how long it would take. I was unable to charge at my journeys end, 188 miles and the charger down the road 2kw could only be used for 2 hours. In the end, driving my ICE car I drove all the way, parked up for 4 days, then drove 188 miles home. I used the whole of my time doing what I wanted and not sitting waiting for my car to charge I ordered a petrol car which it was about £15000 cheaper than an EV of the same quality, which buys a lot of petrol. EVs are ideal for some but not others. When my wife needs to replace her car it will probably be an EV

@ItsDanLatham

Ай бұрын

A prime example of how for some people in some situations its just not a viable option yet. Hopefully the infrastructure continues to improve

Killing time waiting for charge is a real turn off. And 30 quid for 100 miles when my car does 70 euros for 600KM is even worse.

Dan... I took delivery of my 225 mile range car. A tip from a guy on line was to always plan in a backup charger just incase your first choice fails. We are off to Cornwall we will need 2 charges but we have listed backups on both...

@ItsDanLatham

3 ай бұрын

Good idea. Can never be too safe on a long trip!

I got the TT after 5 years in an A & C class diesels on PCPs. Was tempted to get an i4 as a company car (nearly did) but didn't have a charging port in my flat car park. And didn't want to rely on work carpark for charging. I still believe I made the better choice 😂

@challengeronrift

6 ай бұрын

P.s. I thought the content and production quality was good 😂

I suppose you should also factor in your time and the cost of the bacon rolls, very interesting though, thanks.

Tesla open to all near me - non member price 42p, off peak, most of the open to all are the same or cheaper. Its a no brainer I can't see why anyone would charge anywhere else. But there's nou't as strange as folk !

Got Leaf 40 now, ordered Bz4x. Im city commuter 70% of time, family of 4. Charging at home with 0.26/kWh make 2-3x times less expensive than any ICE car or hybrid. I agree, range a anxiety is a bit of problem, charging network is rubbish in UK. And to make things worst, UK govermenent put 20% tax on charging network. So basicaly with thirsty Bz4x, Stellantis cars or audi e-tron with public charging prices from 0.79 to 0.85/kWh, winter long range trip makes almost more expensive than hybrid cars, or at least same price like diesel or hybrid. But... I love EV comfort! Instant heat, instant power, quiet. Most of EV`s is comfy family SUV with power of racing car. Still EV winner for me.

@ItsDanLatham

3 ай бұрын

They are lovely to live with day to day. And home charging is pretty affordable. It will be interesting to see how it will work on crowded roads with terraced housing though!

Range anxiety is surely just like fuel, if you have enough fuel in your car for 100 miles you need to stop for fuel. The obvious rule must be charge overnight

@ItsDanLatham

2 ай бұрын

Its not so easy - if you run out of fuel, the car will probably still go for a fuel miles, and you can fill a can or have someone bring some to you. It also takes just minutes to fill. On a long journey in an EV, if you break down on a motorway, its a lot more hassle. Plus, stopping can take an hour or so to get a fast charge. Charging overnight is ideal but not always an option. Then theres the possibility when you arrive somewhere desperate for a charge, the stations are in use, or broken. Very rare to not be able to get fuel.

We've had EVs for 6 years now, and I have decided to return back to a Prius phev once our MG4 LR goes back next year. It'll be the main car, leaving Leaf as our 2nd car. I'd consider a Tesla in the future if they make the smaller Model 2. An afforable car in warranty and hassle free route planning/charging.

@littlechanges13

6 ай бұрын

Is the Prius much smaller than a model 3? Looking at Autotrader a year or two old Prius PHEV looks to be just the same price as a model 3 and the Prius seems like a massive downgrade from a model 3?

Dan-you made good , goodnight,=)

EVs! All you end up doing on longer trips than the cars range is planning the next charge stop! Oh and also take into account, the range reduces when cold! Plus battery degradation, which means you still have to pay for the full amount of the batteries capacity, but don't get them all back! Oh and if charging a 100KW battery, you actually pay for 110KW as there is a 10% loss due to heat! See Harry'sGarage!

It would be interesting to know what proportion of EV owners commenting here bought them and what proportion are on salary sacrifice

Are you listening to what you are telling us? Did you sit still for 1 and a half hour just to wait for the tank to fill up??? This may be cute when you are a newbie on your first trip but gets old REAL FAST when you are going for a long trip.

@alanc286

6 ай бұрын

It’s better than driving along the motorway waiting for your 20-year old banger to breakdown and then hanging around for 5 or 6 hours for the breakdown truck to take you to the nearest garage: who inform you that it’s £5,000 for an engine rebuild 🤣🤣🤣

@jimpackard8059

2 ай бұрын

@@alanc286 but I drive a new ICE. Much better option than a stupid EV. I do not waste my life hanging around getting my car charged. That is for mugs.

Long distance? 144 miles! Are you joking? 300 miles is starting to become long distance! Imagine a car salesman saying it can do long distances up to 144 miles! Nissan Qashqai E Power can do 500 miles on a tank! So at least four charges to cover the same ground! No thanks!

@ItsDanLatham

5 ай бұрын

Just did a video review of an X-Trail E Power and was very impressed. That hybrid system is a great compromise for a lot of people.

@aacmove

23 күн бұрын

@ItsDanLatham if owners know how to use them. In a recent study, it was found that "real-world electric miles driven in PHEVs could be 25 to 65 percent lower than the vehicle allows. Moreover, PHEV drivers are consuming 42 to 67 more fuel than the EPA estimates."

In my own vehicle, Mazda 6 diesel, MPG is about 70. Fuel here is £155.9 L. I think the biggest problem is the time taken to charge the vehicle and of course the infrastructure not quite being ready yet to do away with queues. Wait time could be justified if you only have one stop along your journey but what about something like Glasgow to London for example? Several stops add several hours of journey time to your trip. Right now I think in that scenario ICE cars make sense and EVs are way behind second best. I cannot see that changing any time soon as the battery tech is not there yet. Hybrids are a decent solution for local journeys on battery and then other fuel to go further afield. I think the must have an EV date will inevitably keep getting pushed back until one of the technologies produces a workable solution to range, time and environmental impact.

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

I do agree that a big breakthrough in battery tech is necessary before it becomes a viable option for everyone. That and the infrastructure. According to the stats, where I live in the south east is the lowest ratio of chargers to vehicles, so I see the issue first hand here. I do believe that EV's are great, and that they are the perfect solution for people who do lots of short trips. But your example is the perfect example of when it just adds inconvenience and worry! Fingers crossed the next few years bring good developments.

@ouethojlkjn

6 ай бұрын

All I would say is don’t conflate teslas to be the same as any other EV. I took a model Y from Milton Keynes to the north-west of Ireland and back a round-trip of over 950 miles over two days and it was effortless. It also worked out to be much much cheaper than taking a diesel. Tesla already have the charging infrastructure sorted out and the car itself. Even in winter was capable of over 300 miles.

@alanc286

6 ай бұрын

A Tesla did John O’Groats to Land’s End in 15 hours 24 minutes with 1 hour 23 mins 46 seconds as the total stopping and charging time. A distance of 848.4 miles driving recorded. So you do not require hours and hours of stopping time for a lengthy journey.

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

@@alanc286 Impressive, although the Tesla supercharging infrastructure and speed is better than the generic charging for most brands (as of right now) so that's something to keep in mind. Proof that it can be reasonably done though.

@GeorgeMonaghan

6 ай бұрын

So you saying all EVs can do that. I did not know that.

Please don't pad your videos out like the MacMaster!

Why didn't you charge overnight? And why didn't you charge up before leaving home on day 1? Anybody would think that you wanted it to be a failure just for clicks.

@Englishelectrictype4

6 ай бұрын

Because EV owners are thick, they have to be to own one in the first place

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

I don't have a charge point at home. I didn't even plan to film the video, I did it purely to explore what it's like to do a trip and rely solely on public charging (it would have been more relevant if my trip had been longer distance) as a matter of interest. A lot of people are just curious what the charging situation is like. If you buy an EV and have a home charge point, you could likely do half this trip on a cheap home charge.

@Hitstirrer

6 ай бұрын

@@ItsDanLatham A home charge point makes a huge difference over convenience and cost. But thousands of people just use public charging and make it work for their driving pattern. The fact that they continue is probably because they appreciate the much better driving experience. Kudos to you for that.

Sorry but the only person you've convinced is YOU !

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

Not here to convince anyone! Just sharing my experience. I think there's certain people that an EV doesn't work for currently.

The reason you felt range anxiety is because EVs are shit and a con for future control and restrictions on movement.

@ouethojlkjn

6 ай бұрын

You seem to have a short memory, don’t you remember the 70s oil crisis when the Arabs turn the oil off? What about if Iran blocks, the Strait of Hormuz? Are you gonna get oil from Wales or somewhere?

@Englishelectrictype4

6 ай бұрын

@@ouethojlkjn you must be thick pal, as we have our own oil fields in the UK which are about to go into over drive. Oil is not a problem if you know about the planet, there's plenty and I was born after 1970 so no remembering needed

@ouethojlkjn

6 ай бұрын

@@Englishelectrictype4 I was in the UK Oil industry for several years in the late eighties and early nineties. The first thing you need to know about oil, is it is far from all the same oil. Then you might not sound so thick when you make these idiotic statements of yours. And what exactly do you think turns all this black sludge into Petrol and diesel? Fairies and Unicorns? And what transports it from the Gulf to whichever supermarket you get your fuel from? magic? I won't be as rude as you have been to assert you are thick, but you certainly seem to have a very narrow view of the world.

@Englishelectrictype4

6 ай бұрын

@@ouethojlkjn yeah yeah. I take it you believe in the climate crisis aswel then ha ha. I know more than your aware with your job in the oil industry 3 decades ago a lot has changed since then and EVs still aren't the future

@Englishelectrictype4

6 ай бұрын

@@ouethojlkjn I bet your sat wearing a just stop oil short aswel as you type ha ha

Idiots in EVs.. I just jump in my petrol car and decide in a minute where i want to go and when. top up at any local garage in 2 minutes, maybe grab a sandwich and a can of coke for the journey and on the road stoping at my chosen destination with no having to go off route to find some charger and waste a hour of my life. its simple and works well for me and always will. NO stress and easy.. So why have a EV its like a not needed product. NO benefit all they have done is use fossil fuel to create electric to charge a car to give people hassle LOL

@Hitstirrer

6 ай бұрын

You can drive your polluting, noisy and old-tech car for years more if you want. Nobody stopping you. But you miss the point entirely. EVs are just much nicer to drive. Fast, quiet and smooth. Simply better cars that give a great driving experience. A full tank every morning. And every week there are more Rapid chargers available. The UK grid supply becoming greener each year. But no problem. You can just carry on funding oil barons.

@ouethojlkjn

6 ай бұрын

Do you want to do the math behind all that convenience. I think you’ll find it’s a very expensive way to get around.

@Hitstirrer

6 ай бұрын

@@ouethojlkjn I would be interested in your thoughts. Presumably you have already done the maths or you wouldn't be able to make that assertion. Please share.

@ouethojlkjn

6 ай бұрын

@@Hitstirrer Sure, Tesla have no service schedule so you save on servicing. No spark plugs, injectors, oil, oil filters, exhausts, gearboxes, clutch plates, turbos, seldom need brake pads or disks, to have the same supercharging mileage cost as my Model Y you would need to get a 500+ hp AWD diesel capable of 146mpg. There are wider studies conducted in America where a base model BMW 3 series costs about 50% more over 60k miles than a base tesla Model 3. [per mile] this survey covers things like depreciation, insurance etc. Not just running costs

@monkeyjim9398

6 ай бұрын

@@Hitstirrer "Fast quiet and smooth" ? Mine is all that and catalyctic converters stop all the bad emmisions, so them are just sales lies . Speed now days is not useable everywhere i drive is 20mph or 60mph speed cameras every road so can never use any speed so that means zilch. The oil barons own the very same power grid you EV suckers use so that means zilch. like i stated The EV car is only a control the sheep and a Was never needed product, cars at year 2000 onwards are doing the job fine and wil last 250k miles. i will drive petrol until they drag us screaming to the 15 minute camps.

Do John O`Groats to Lands End in your EV, mate. See what that does to your feelings about your KIA.

@andrewwaller5913

6 ай бұрын

That's been done between a diesel BMW and an electric Porsche recently. Guess which was quicker and cheaper 😂

@andyc9331

6 ай бұрын

@@andrewwaller5913 I know and thats why I offered that.

@michaelgoode9555

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, like people drive 900 miles every day here in the UK. Oh, they don't. Check out Richard Symonds who did JoG to LE last year with no issues in a Tesla. Unless you are routinely doing more than 200 miles non stop a day an EV is every bit as practical as a diesel or petrol if not more so I charged up at home last night after running back and forth all day fetching and carrying an elderly relative to and from hospital. My charge cost me just 3 pence per mile. Tell me where you can get petrol or diesel at that price? Guess what: unless you nick it, you cannot. Oh, and we did over 100 miles in the day and it just wasn't a problem at any time even though we began the day with about 70% in the battery and ended the day with 35%. It is easy to set up a scenario for failure but then the reality of EV ownership for 99% of folks is just scary to all you neanderthals and your fossil juice burners. Pity this bloke couldn't do his maths either. 69 pence/kW is less than 20 pence per mile and less than £20 per 100 miles, nowhere near his £40 declaration. His rank stupidity is laughable. Just another person painting EV's in a bad light for his clickbait stupidity.

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

​@@andrewwaller5913A Tesla could do it cheaper than the diesel. 😅

@ItsDanLatham

6 ай бұрын

Wouldn't say I'd fancy that just yet, and I do a fair few miles these days hence why I don't have an EV myself.