Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:20 - Fanged Wyvern 03:07 - Thief Wyvern 07:49 - Grand Claw Wyvern 11:19 - Mono-Genus Superfamilies 13:45 - Outro Notes: - All taxonomic names are made up by me. - The Placement of the Wulg is pretty inconsistent. Its inclusion as a Grand Claw Wyvern in this video is based on the MHRise Phylogeny, the newest one we have, which changed it compared to the Iceborne one. - Viper Kadachi kinda just went missing but yes he obviously exists and is a subspecies of the Tobi Kadachi Genus. Sources: Hunter's Encyclopedia 3 Monster Hunter Illustrations 2 Monster Hunter World Complete Works Dive to Monster Hunter: Iceborne Monster Hunter Rise Official Setting Materials

@danielsantiagourtado3430

Жыл бұрын

Thanks For these bro!🎉🎉🎉🎉

@ultraspinalki11

Жыл бұрын

I wish your video would have mentioned Akantor and Ukanlos as creatures that blur the line between standard wyverns and Fanged wyverns, a sort of bridge between the two groups. EDIT: After all, those two giants are four-legged, with strong front limbs, a tail and are flightless.

@brandonhiatt2546

Жыл бұрын

I DARE you to find the science and way to anatomically explain Frontier Monsters!

@TsulaAngenati2292

9 ай бұрын

@@brandonhiatt2546 The only real way to justify them is to say they came from heavily embellished and/or unreliable sources to try and demystify them as half the things some of them do are downright implausible

@davidegiacomelli2579

Ай бұрын

Faresti altri video

for me, zinogres are like super invasive species because after they came down from the misty peaks, they just multiply super fast then spread all over the world.

@K3b1bisLtu

10 ай бұрын

They're probably omnivorous, too.

@papiwulfe8485

3 ай бұрын

as Much I like to say that we need to know more tbh. Zingore's are more like wandering shoguns exploring the landscape. Misty Peaks was its throne, it's home. I wonder if Zingore's actually use Raths like how wolves would use crows and ravens for food or even a good fight. We see Jinouga (original name) observing the skies in portable 3rd when he sees the elder dragon Amatsumagatsuchi, he wants to challange the elder dragon, he glows and tries to get it's attention but the elder dragon continues. I hope in wilds we get to see more behavior patterns that reflect this, because to me like how Devilijo is the devourer, Jinouga is the Challanger. A wandering samurai wanting to test himself and his blade against any welcoming challanger. I can go on sorry.

@ekelobarros1963

2 ай бұрын

Please keep going, i wanna know more about you perspective​@@papiwulfe8485

Odogaron became my favorite. I love hunting him and Ebony too. I got it down to a science where it feels like we’re dancing. Haha also rip Viper Tobi got no mention lol

Tobi is still my favourite fanged wyvern, top tier design, love that thunder squirrel.

@JanusHoW

11 ай бұрын

I always thought of Tobi as "Zinogre Lite", since they're both thunder-based Fanged Wyverns, and Zinogre came first. Tobi does have a good design, and has the whole "flying squirrel" bit to distinguish itself.

It'd hard to pick a favorite fanged Wyvern, they are all so cool and well thought out. It's definitely a tie between Lunagaron and Magnamallow.

@oeeo6thealatreon118

Жыл бұрын

Magnamalo*

@Masterofhammers

Жыл бұрын

It was easy for me. Tobi kadachi. Since his introduction he's always my first challenge in game. And the design just speaks for itself.

@kennethsatria6607

Жыл бұрын

Okay that spelling had me thinking of a Magnamalo made of Marshmallows or maybe like he could toast them on his back spines hehe

@twitch6260

Жыл бұрын

I spelled Magnamalo wrong on purpose, it's my pet name for him.

@oeeo6thealatreon118

Жыл бұрын

@@twitch6260 oh lol

I never realized magnamalo was classified as fanged wyvern in my playthrough, goes to show how much of this stuff goes over my head when hunting. Glad you're here to educate me on everything the games don't explicitly shout at me. TheMoreYouKnow/10

@oeeo6thealatreon118

Жыл бұрын

What you think he was? I’m curious lol

@steve4728

Жыл бұрын

@@oeeo6thealatreon118 Elder dragon? I mean it certainly feels like one, especially Scorned

@oeeo6thealatreon118

Жыл бұрын

@@steve4728 I definitely can see why elder dragon would be your first thought lol

@jorgemedrano1764

Жыл бұрын

​@Steve that was my first thought too but a quick look through the the hunter's note on the game will tell you what kind of monster it is

@darthnius809

Жыл бұрын

@@oeeo6thealatreon118 fanged beast, I just saw his face and it clicked

Fanged Wyverns are ny second favorite Monster Class after the Flying Wyverns. God am I glad that Zinogre is not the ONLY one anymore (love the doggo but you can admit I'm right).

I almost feel like Jagras is an invasive species in the old world. Hard to get rid of the regular ones, but they either get culled by the guild before they reach the level of Great Jagras or local competition keeps any from getting too big

Just realized that Mangamolo is probably softly inspired by Hunters. Mangamolo are judged for how good quality Their armor is, while in-world Hunters are judged for how hard Their armor was to craft

Have you thought of what to do with smaller monster classes like amphibians, herbivores and snake- and piscine wyverns? Maybe an episode called "smaller classes of Monster hunter"? Also which class are you doing next?

@Oceaniz

Жыл бұрын

I think that might be how I have to do it. Next are Fanged Beasts!

@xuanluu4873

Жыл бұрын

@@Oceaniz Since you described in this video how Wyverns rule the sky, would Fanged Beasts then rule the land?

@CrownofMischief

Жыл бұрын

​@@xuanluu4873 I feel like there's too much on land for a definitive ruler. Goss Harag and Rajang are strong, sure, but they have to contend with the likes of Deviljho, Brachydios, and Zinogre

This so far is the best wyvern video you've ever made well done Oceaniz oh and my fav fanged wyvern is the zinogre

Zinogre is my personal favorite fanged wyvern but they are really good. I have to say that I also really love the wulgs, they are just so silly and cute but also still threatening, being one of the few small monsters that can actually pin you.

Magnamallo: FANGED WYVERNS CANT FLY HUH?!?

@randomguy4616

4 ай бұрын

Well.. Technically he just jumps multiple times in the air so no flying lmao

I love how in depth you go! I've been watching all of your stuff lately, and I just love it so much

...Amazing. Forever until the Sunbreak, the best Monster Class:)

I love the semi-scientific classification system Monster Hunter and its fandom has developed. They may even have real-life parallels. The Fanged Wyverns are basically the synapsids, or "mammal-like dinosaurs". In our world, the survivors after the end of the Permian period - at which point they were replaced by the therapsids, or true dinosaurs - eventually evolved into mammals. Meanwhile, the Fanged Wyverns are synapsids that never went extinct, and ended up leaning further into being like mammals without actually becoming them. It seems like most of them evolved in a manner similar to wolves - whether it be the Thief Wyverns' pack structure or Zinogre & Lunagaron's overall appearance and love of howling. Magnamalo is the only one we know of that went the "cat" route. Also, I realized why Lunagaron can appear in any environment in Rise except the Lava Caverns and Sandy Plains - it requires at least some degree of airborne moisture to live comfortably - the hotter the environment, the more moisture it needs to stay there. The Jungle, being a jungle, has plenty of moisture for Lunagaron to breathe in and cool itself with in spite of the heat. But the Sandy Plains is a hot, arid place, so it has little if any airborne moisture for Lunagaron to use. One COULD make an argument for Lunagaron being able to hang out in the watery areas of the Lava Caverns, as you can find Tetranadon, the spongy Ludroths and the cave-loving Khezu there. But I suspect there are way too many fire-wielding competitors for its comfort, especially the Raknas, Teostra and Magma Almudron.

@bri1085

Жыл бұрын

Don't fanged beats kind of undermine this point, being very mammalian design wise.

@CrownofMischief

Жыл бұрын

​@@bri1085 not really. It just means some of them never changed. We still have reptiles despite the fact that birds and mammals exist, this would just imply Fanged Beasts split off from the main synapsid line and evolved alongside them

Gotta love the Genus names you give them (if they're not from Capcom). I guess Shamos' "Magnoculi" comes from "magna" and "oculi", basically meaning big eyes? So neat!

@Oceaniz

Жыл бұрын

All me!

@tuukkamatikainen3389

Жыл бұрын

@@Oceaniz Wow, the effort you put into these videos is absolutely mental, keep it up!

i would love to see a fanged wyvern skeleton rig elder dragon, also a fanged wyvern with actual wings, and also that first thing but also with wings. why not.

I love your MH documentaries. I'd listen to you do ones for IRL animals, too! Commenting for the alg

I do hope you do a elder dragon ecology vid.. because I mean, they do have classifications, so it would be really cool to see!

Love your videos man!😊😊

yesss!!! Have been waiting forthis so long! Love it man

I love these videos, they almost feel like a real documentary i'd watch on TV. But i also kinda have a bias towards videos where the chonky boi makes an appearance.

Very interesting video. Honestly I really like that they've expanded the fanged wyverns the last couple of games. I hope to see Odogaron and Dodogama again, it is my favorite fanged wyverns. It would also be nice to see more of them being pack monsters so they could compliment the 'raptors', like Great Izuchi, as early game encounters. I like the idea of the Jagras and Girros as pack monsters but I wasn't a fan of Great Jagras, Great Girros is awesome. Shame we didn't get a Great Shamos or Great Wulg, the latter would have been really neat.

Tobi-Kadachi and Odogaron are my first favourites. First fanged wyverns I ever fought!

i wanted to say one thing i believe your one of the best people that talk about lore and bioliogy of monster hunter khowing that game theorys will never talk about it heck the only time matpat evan menciend monster hunter is that time he speculated that capcom would combine forces with sony or nintendo i just wish there was more people like you that give some cool in lore intake of biology and interesting theorys about monster hunter

Find it weird how long it took to add another Fanged Wyvern after Zinogre

Been waiting for this one 🤝

Personally I would like to see Zinogre, Magnamalo and Girros alongside Akantor and Ukanlos being put in its own group together, as they have sprawling leg morphology rather then erect leg morphology that the other members of the fanged wyvern suborder have. I do also want pseudo flying wyvern to became a group as well, but I do think Akantor and Ukanlos are likely not in this group and fit the hypothetical sprawling fanged wyvern group instead. Also thank you for having custom subtitles, videos like this with scientific terms are some of the few that autogenerated subtitles aren't the best for.

@kennethsatria6607

Жыл бұрын

I dunno they feel like Psudeo wyverns to me, kind of sticks out from the fanged wyverns who have almost no sign of wyvern type wings

@bri1085

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethsatria6607 In fairness the do kind of have vestigial wing nubs.

@robertmacfergus9288

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethsatria6607 I am interpreting Magnamalo and Zinogre arm blades as repurposed wing fingers which would result in them having much more prominent and developed wing fingers then Akantor and Ukanlos, with Ukanlos having just a nub remaining of its ancestor's wings. It is also worth noting you could fit the fanged wyvern group inside the pseudo wyvern group if you wanted.

Thanks for showing me that I'm so interested in ecology, I'm not very good at it but it's an awesome thing to behold!

Great video, love it for all your content. Minor thing for the future- isn't the plural of "genus" "genera"? Also given latin, pretty sure the "ch" in Saurischia makes a K sound.

that starting son is fire

When i first heard the term "Fanged Wyvern", i speculated it to be a hybrid between a Fanged Beast & a Wyvern.

Many other monster categories are much smaller like with the snake wyverns and the wingdrakes, you’ll probably start the the big popular monster times outta the way before tackling least explored monsters. But I would put snake wyverns and wingdrakes into one video in the near future

@joshuasgameplays9850

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he's probably have to mash the smaller categories together in order to make a decently long video. Wingdrakes + Snake Wyverns, Piscine Wyverns + Amphibians, Temnocerans + Carapaceons, and that would still be a pretty short video lol

Since we didn't have a graphic for Tobi-Kadachi, (and sadly forgot Viper all together) what would there species names be?

What next monster family will be discussed next?

an elder dragon will be so great, hoping we get it

Certified Wyvern Classic

No videos about piscine wyvern?

What happened to Viper Tobi-Kadachi? You mentioned Ebony Odogaron.

Didn't realize the Garons were broken up into Fanged Wyvern and Fanged Beast but all are rather canine.

@freeziex

11 ай бұрын

That is mainly due to the fact that Fanged Wyverns did not exist yet. The other Garons came before the creation of the Fanged Wyvern.

@TheKing-qz9wd

11 ай бұрын

@@freeziex I see

Crazy idea for the phylogeny series: lynians and humanoids(humans, wyvernians, trovians, etc.)

I can't wait for the Fanged Beast video. I hope they notice this group is a great mess of classification, such as Elder Dragons.

Tobi Kadachi is the best fanged wyvern for me

Oceaniz sir I need to ask can you make a documentary video about monster hunter,s weapon and weapon classes?? 😐😐😐

And please make a documentary video about piscene wyverns

I love both odogarons

Fanged beasts is next i guess which means monkeys bears armadillo and rabbit

We had to wait a lot of time till world to have more than zinogre

I'm guessing there's no Great Jagras in the old world is probably because they're outcompeted by the Raptor wyverns cause they don't pack hunt.

I wonder why some of the monsters (like Tobi) didn't get taxonomic names.

@Oceaniz

Жыл бұрын

Oh damn thats a mistake on my part, thanks for pointing it out. I'll fix it when I fo the compilation release

Congrats on 159k

what about viper tobi?

Zinogre is my second favorite monster in the series

No Ebony Odo n Viper Tobi?

No ancient species that gave us the Fang wyverns? Well I figured it what is new so Capcom probably didn't think of an ancient ancestor to us like the Flying, Piscine, and Bird wyverns

It’s the obvious pick, but I don’t care Zinogre is my favorite though I also really like both Garon’s. I’m actually not a fan of Magnamalo, It’s overdesigned IMO.

So I have a few thoughts on fanged wyverns, first I like to think that fanged wyvern are the synapsids of the monster hunter world and both them and fanged beasts likely have a common ancestor just like how real synapsids gave rise to mammels Second, why the hell don't we have a great wulg, seriously I love icebornes roaster but a great wulg would have made a fantastic low teir, it's the one time I want a small monster to have a great or drome, And finally I personally feel like the thief fanged wyverns should get reclassified as amphibians, the seem much more related to them being lizards and toads then they are to the other fanged wyvern with seem more like mammel like reptiles

@jorgemedrano1764

Жыл бұрын

I know it's your opinion but I highly disagree with that last part. The game series only have 3 amphibians and they all share the same amphibian class traits; frog-like Shape and strong forelegs. I do think some thief wyverns and amphibians may have had a common ancestor as to some of them share the same bellie expansion technique.

@stormerjc9493

Жыл бұрын

@@jorgemedrano1764 we can agree to disagree, always good to have healthy discussion, I've always looked at fanged wyvern as the synapsids of the MH world while Ampibions are the frogs/taods/lizards/turtles of the world and so the thief wyvern fit the bill to me, you even said some of them likely share a common ancestor, we can have Mutiple skeletons in the same class just look a true and Psudo flying wyverns, plus I think it's fair to say the in universe scientists of the monster hunter world mabye don't have all the facts and are probably getting some things wrong, just look at the evolution of how we have look at dinosaurs over the last couple hundred years as our understanding changed, we went from dump slow tail dragging cold blooded brutes to fast active warm blooded and likely featherd animals, so a lot can change

@kennethsatria6607

Жыл бұрын

I think it'd be better to just make more amphibian monsters that aren't as froglike It can be done, just keep them quadrupeds and water based with smooth skin instead of scales and we're good to go

@stormerjc9493

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethsatria6607 that's also a fair way to put it, turtles would be a good way to go, some like like a proper alligator snapping turtle monster would be awesome to see

@jorgemedrano1764

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethsatria6607 tetranodon it's the only one of of the 3 that has a turtle-like shape, cuz zamtrios and tetsucabra are frog-like, but I do agree that having more would be cool as well as the idea of flying beast.

One question that has stuck to me for years is which zinogre is better in your opinion? Old world, Rise or Iceborne?

You forgot the Viper Tobi Karachi

No Viper Tobi?

In our evolution they would likely be lumped with stem mammals. But in MH they're dinosaurs. :D Also because of that I refuse to believe any that have fur have actual fur. Realistically its more likely a type of feather or feather-like structure. Nargacuga while a different type of wyvern is listed as having fur yet on closer inspection they're feathers especially its quills and its wing blades are made of hardened feathers.

Best thing to wake up to

@that_chilean_gringo956

Жыл бұрын

Yessir

What about Viper Tobi-Kadachi?

@jorgemedrano1764

Жыл бұрын

Viper its pretty much a tobi that left the forest. In iceborne viper can't really withstand the cold temperatures, that's why he spends most of his time underground. This is also why he acquired new abilities. He poisons and paralyzes its prey so that he can go to the underground as quick as possible.

8:50 Are you not listing subspecies anymore? In the Brute W. Video, you also left out the Raging Brachydios in your script, which is weird since you've included every subspecies, variant and whatnot for all monsters. Sorry, I just find it a bit jarring.

@Oceaniz

Жыл бұрын

You must be thinking of the main documentary series. In the Phylogeny series, I have always skimmed over Monster Variations since a) variants/deviants/apexes do not matter to a phylogeny as they are generally assumed to not be genetically distinct and b) listing subspecies would be redundant as they are just in the same slot as the Genus. I generally just show subspecies interspersed in the footage, which is also the case here (except Viper Tobi, I just outright forgot him and will add him in the Compilation release).

So no Viper Tobi Kadachi :(

Viper Tobi?

U forgot about viper tobi kadachi

It’s funny that you give attention to all of the fanged wyvern‘s except the Viper Tobi-Kadachi. To me it kind of implies that you don’t like him. otherwise you would talk about it. but to be fair, I don’t know you so I can’t be 100% sure however I feel confident in my claim. Me personally I think he’s fine but i’m somebody who appreciates definitive order. If you would have mentioned the Viper Tobi-Kadachi the same way you did with odogaron, zinogre & magnamalo this would have been perfect but instead it’s just really good. 8 out of 10 video ecology for me.

No love for the Viper Kadachi 😪

no dodogama?

@Oceaniz

Жыл бұрын

6:30

@pandaking979

Жыл бұрын

@@Oceaniz must have missed him

Great Jagras supremacy

I don't trust anyone who doesn't like Dodogama. XD

WHO WANTS A DOS REMAKE (I know I do anyone else)

@christinablixthenningsson3529

5 ай бұрын

Id rather want a port or remaster

@switch-axe

5 ай бұрын

@@christinablixthenningsson3529 that’s what I meant but that was 6 months ago

Dodogama solos all

but what about Greatest Jagras lol

@Wolfmonhunt

5 ай бұрын

that's a event quest lol not a different monster

the truth about the dodogama is that he's related to the gods thats just true, it's too cute to not be

Great video as always, but your pronunciation of Saurischia makes me want to literally inhale oxygen.

But why talk about the other subspecies, yeah they can juse the Dragon Element, but then you dont mention it with Magnamalo? Then why even include him and why dont you mention Viper Tobi-Kadachi? Its a bit irritating

@Oceaniz

Жыл бұрын

oversight mostly lmao

@LordMeepel

Жыл бұрын

@@Oceaniz Huh okay

@JanusHoW

Жыл бұрын

@@LordMeepel That, and Scorned Magnamalos are the only ones of their kind capable of using Dragon element, and it only gets that ability if it manages to chow down on an elder dragon...allegedly.

@LordMeepel

Жыл бұрын

@@JanusHoW Yeah that's so nuts, the only monster I can think of which manage this is Rajang with kirin and not even Killing it

@jorgemedrano1764

Жыл бұрын

​@@LordMeepel but I think he can only inflict it while in his enhanced rage form.

In my opinion, Magnamalo is the only bad flagship monster, and I hope they leave him away from the main series, he looks so unrealistic (between the bounds of MH) and Frontierlike, I also disllike Almudron and Somnacanth for the same reasons, I could maybe give a second chance to Somnacanth since it is the least unrealistic of them. And although I believe that Valstrax looks cool, I also dislike it being a part of the MH roster, it is just too out there, it just brings back my disbelief when I see his rockets, is just too much. It kinda happens the same with the Charge blade, my mind hardly accepted the switch axe and then they came up with the charge blade which is even more unrealistic (again, even between the bounds of the fantasy world of MH). I hope the new main MH title brings the franchise back to earth.

@jims3492

9 ай бұрын

Are you shitting me? Did you start with world or what? Realism is out of the question when literally elder dragons are a thing in this game. You don’t bat an eye at Kirin whom literally teleports, same with Malzeno, you have the entire black dragon trio, you have a giant snake the size of a mountain, but somehow the line is crossed with only a handful of designs that you cherry pick as “unrealistic”. “Frontierlike” good lord let’s keep you away from the franchise instead. Almudron looks more unrealistic than something like Zinogre or Brachydios???? Nobody on Capcom cares about your suspension of disbelief especially when you as the hunter can survive a 100m fall without damage. This game series is clearly not for you when you want to bitch and moan about realism. Your definition of out of bounds of the mh franchise is all bullshit. Valstrax is just as grounded as Xenojiva. What a load of crap. You want something more down to earth, go back to base World. The fantasy’s designs are what makes it unique.

I'm not the biggest fan of these videos as it doesn't make sense to the real world. As a wulg along with odogaron and lunagaron. Are clearly mammals especially the wulg.

@RSA91

Жыл бұрын

Chief do you have -200 IQ saying malzeno and velkhana are related where do you get this from and saying this you the type of person to say that diablos should be classified as a brute wyvern

@crazzycreeper8789

11 ай бұрын

​@@RSA91There are relatives. If you look at their beak structure along with tailwings, similar behaviour, hornstructure, scaleshape, and their enraged metamorph ability, you can see some resemblance. They're probably related in a similar way that dromeosaurs and birds are related.