OMG F-ONE, if you are reading this....GIVE THIS GUY SOME FREE PRODUCT! I have a CWC 7M because of this channel and was waiting to pull the trigger on the Strike V3 until I saw this review. 5.5 is in the cart and being ordered as we speak.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Haha yeah FOne… what he said!😜👊👊

Strike V3 handles are so good, I used a Duotone Unit and thought the hard handles were overhyped. Cool to have direct feedback and all but taking gusts with hard handles was a pain + the weight, also makes packing up harder. Like these semi rigid V3 handles a lot. Also the 2 valve pump system is better than 1 valve in my opinion. Also appreciate your honest feedback, kite shop reviews are hard to trust because they have an incentive to say something is good. Consumer reviews like yours are much better.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Right on, thanks bud! I try to keep it real :P when you go on the FOne groups, people love using the word "perfect" in describing the soft handles, or v2's in general. I get it, they are fanatical about the handles, but their minds seem closed to the possibility that they could be improved, and that's annoying to me. thus my rant... I took multiple rants out of this video but I happened to leave that one in, it felt good addressing it. I'm happy to say for me, these new handles are def the best of both worlds. there's something about hard handles that make some moves a lot easier, for example upwind tacks came sooo much easier to me with hard handles, but now I can do them with any handle. I think handle science will evolve (this morning I just watched a video with the semi-ridged Cab handles) and there will be a ton of different options. Airush Air wings you can swap soft or hard handles, I like the fact they give you options. the current v3 feel the same in hand as v2, but with the v3 they are just a little more high-performance, and I totally love that. glad to hear you are digging the v3's as well! over a dozen sessions on my 5.5m and it's already had a positive effect on my riding. stoked! thanks for the comment and I wish you an awesome weekend!!

Regarding the handles...as a long time surfer I have great back and arm strength, but my forearms feel the burn first and are the muscles that wear out first and end my sessions. I have ridden my Strike CWC 7M and my Cabhrina Crosswing X3 6M in the same 14 knot wind speeds and I can get 30 minutes more out of the strike, even though it is a bigger wing and should wear me out faster. Not having big handles to hold on to allow me to allow me to make the first part of my finger (between the palm and the knuckle) almost straight with the hand and that causes WAY less forearm fatigue. The Cabhrina does not exactly have big round handles, but I can't imagine going to a bigger boom style handle after this test. Really glad they did not change the handle width despite many customers asking for them to be like others. Ditching all of my Cahbrina wings (4M Mantis v1,4.5M Crosswing X3,5M Crosswing X2,6M Crosswing X3)soon and moving over to a 4/5.5/7M quiver all using F-ONE Strikes now.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Right on bud! I really love hard handles, but not all the time. I don’t think I was really hoping FOne would have hard handles, but mostly I just get annoyed when people call the FOne handles perfect. The new ones are really good though. So far the best they’ve made and I don’t have complaints of them yet on the v3. Nice quiver… I prolly should have gone for a 4m instead of a 4.5 but I do like the overlap in case I break something. Is your 7m a v3? I’m thinking about it. I was gonna go for a 7m this year but so far the only person I saw comment on it said they have less power. But I don’t think he gets the new pumping yet. And I dunno if the pumping is the same on the 7m. So I’m torn about getting a 7m or 8m or even keeping my 8m. If I sell my 8m in the next week or so, I’ll totally pull the trigger on a new one. They intrigue me. I think the 7m will be something I’d want to race with this summer.

Great review and comments about hard handles vs. soft handles-totally agree 🤙🏽

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Right on bud, thanks and I wish you and awesome week!

I can never go back to soft handles, I used to laugh at booms, but they are the way to go, they make everything so much easier and allow me to focus on the foil instead of the wing when trying new stuff.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

yeah I totally agree. the hard handle wings are my "flat water" wings where I try a lot of stuff. Something about them make connecting some things for the first time so much easier. however I def appreciate the new FOne handles, definitely a step in the right direction! prolly not for everyone, and I still have hard handle wings in my quiver, but worth trying to see if you like them. thanks bud and I wish you an awesome weekend!!

@AdamsHadEnough

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 you too Jeremy, I hope you get on the water!

Thanks. Rode a 4.0 V2 and V3 back-to-back on a solid day. My son and I both liked the V2 slightly better...more forgiving. He said the V3 jumps better which is no surprise with stiffer canopy. Still our favorite brand by far!

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

awesome Sandy! I was just thinking the other day how I haven't had a chance to ride with you guys yet. I'm sure I could pick up a few jumping pointers from your son at this point, and I'd love that! the v3 is def my fav now, and yes, less forgiving. I liked it right of the bat, but at this point with over a dozen sessions on it, there's no way I'd go back, I love the changes. the jumps are great, noticeably bigger than before, and I'm really digging that right now. I gotta break out the 4.5m soon on an "underpowered" day and see if I can eek out a little more with that size. hoping for a good NE day I can venture to your area, I'll hit you up when I do! I wish you and the fam an awesome weekend!

@sandyolney

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 We will cross paths at some point. BTW - Myes drops down a wing size when he practices 360s, etc....easier to rotate.

That was an awesome review 👏 well delivered and loads of useful information. The French seem to be really looking at panel layout. This strike layout is a lot like the new gong druid upe panel layout but more shaped like a neutra . The strike really are one of the best-looking wings as well. Big price jumps this year but some great moves forward in materials. Hope you and your family are well. Have a great weekend to you and the boston crew hopefully you get some wind where still struggling to get a session 😅😅😂Later bud 😊

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Yeeeooowww! Thanks Chris, truly appreciated. These videos take a long time, and it didn’t help that I had like 12 sessions of footage to sift through. So I’m kinda spent, but stoked that it’s behind me, moving on! You know how it goes 😜 Dude, sending wind your way, at least what I can do mentally! I hope you score some soon. Fam is good here, I wish you and your crew an awesome weekend! Talk soon.

Great review thanks 👍🏄🏼‍♂️

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I wish you an awesome day!

Great review Kevin, can't believe no discount or trial wing for you, thinking about a 4m but there are some good prices on the V2 at the moment. My friends have said the same different pumping technique and arms are a bit tired after a long session. 🤙🤙🤙

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Hey Dan! Thanks bud. Free stuff would be hugely appreciated, but it’s not something I’ve really seen yet. I’ll take demos or borrowed gear any day, cause I do love these FOnes… The v2 are great. And if you can get one cheap, you prolly wont be bummed. They are awesome. The v3s really are totally different, but I dig the changes. The new pumping isn’t bad… it’s kinda lighter on the muscles, when it works, it’s kinda surprising how little it takes to get going. But that’s when using with power. I don’t go out a lot when it’s super light, so I can’t really comment on the light wind pumping too much. Thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!!

@wildhogget69

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 Yup, I am like you, I always go a little bit bigger as I hate not having enough wind in the wing. With the 8m though this spring I started getting up in 8kts and carried it through easy to 17kts, but then difficult to stay in the harness, then boom straight on to the 5,5m and comfortable. But when I see these guys always on a 5m I think, wow, thats a lot of pumping to get up! 🤣🤣 Have a great one as well

Awesome bud regards from us down south

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Thank YOU!! I wish you an awesome day bud!

I have the v2 Strikes. Got a new 3.5m V3 after long consideration over hard handles. . The handles are slightly more stiff but not enough to make a big difference. The soft handles make for a more relaxed feel and looser control of the kite; if that's what you like. With soft handles you loose the ability to torque (cheat) the kite and push out when pumping. I would compare it to clip-in bike pedals vs no clips. Hard handles make it easier for beginners or riders who need to pump up on foil in light wind. They are making all wings more rigid. Adding soft handles on a rigid wing dampens the rigidity. I bet they have rigid handles next season. If you prefer the simplicity and loose feel of the soft handles then this is the wing to get. I'd agree a hard handles are more likely crack the paper-thin boards being sold.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Right on bud! Do you like the v3 or is it a dealbreaker that the handles aren’t hard enough? As much as I like hard handles, I def don’t mind these… much different than my v2s and in a good way. I like the feel of their handle. I like the small diameter and the kinda rectangle grip. So my ultimate v4 would have hard inserts, so you could have the choice, and even change things up between sessions. I don’t need hard handles all the time. But they are so nice for learning new things that require switching hands, and really nice in light winds.

@aquaman1

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 I prefer the soft handles when I'm fully powered. I have my 6m Duotone with the boom which I prefer for light winds. The boom gives a more instantaneous push and pull when needing to pump in light winds. The flex handles don't allow you to push out with that direct force because they flex and absorb the force. F-One has seen this as a requirement and upped the stiffness of their handles without becoming a me-too brand by adding hard handles. As people try to use the smallest wing possible, getting up on those downwind boards, they are going to want a more direct connection to the power of the wing. For me, I'm sticking with the soft handles for now and watching from the sidelines to see how this evolves. I bet they will offer a handle that can be swapped out.

@aquaman1

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 Put more hrs on the 3.5 V3 today. I honestly can't tell the difference between my V2 and V3 handles when riding. The v3 is a tighter wing, allowing it to cut upwind faster, at the loss of low end pocket power when trying to start.

Great review. Debating between 4.0 unit and 4.0 strike. Currently riding strikes v1. Mainly riding swell in 20-30 mph( no real waves yet)

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Sup bud! IMO both are good… similar canopy characteristics as well as how they behave. The biggest difference would be the handles. So kinda personal preference. I love the handles on the flat water, I prefer the strike in waves. Can’t really go wrong. Let me know what you get!!

Excellent review - really appreciate the stoke and the effort you impart dude! I was hearing lots about the lack of low end on these new Strikes (im 195lb) and wondering to try Units with the handles but you have me rethinking now! How would you compare the new Strike to the latest Unit Vs Mantis v3 (you destroyed -;)). I need to get my tacking dialed and reckon the Unit or a Slick would help BUT i also only want to ride in Waves, and the Unit seems to oscillate a lot flagged out right? I might just have to go Strike V3 i think!

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Sup bud! For whatever it’s worth, the v3 is pretty similar to the Unit in my opinion. That includes the low end. I don’t think of the v3’s low end is particularly amazing, or at least getting up on foil, but the Unit isn’t really either. They have a weird quirkiness that I still feel like I’m getting used to. The new pumping technique on the Strikes I bet will transfer over well to the Units. I have a 6.5v2 Unit that is pretty stable. The 5mv3 was def weird and rocked all over. I hear the Allula ones don’t really do that, but too much $$ for me! The handles are really nice for tacks and whatnot, I can’t deny that. But the Strikes are def great for waves! The Mantis was really nice. I need to ride it again. It had a good amount of power, flew great overpowered, and had a pretty tight canopy. The handles are super nice but very different. So I’d say the Mantis has a little more power, but don’t quite me on that. To truly comment on that, I’d have to try them again, ideally back-to-back. Let me know what you get!!!

Nice one ‘J’. Great detailed info… let’s se how she stretches with time. The dilemma now is whether to go with the FOne v3 or new Armstrong XPS!!! Tough call as price point is pretty similar…🤔

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

The XPS… highly anticipated!! I really wanna see how this wing performs. I wasn’t a huge fan of the last wing they put out, but looks like a ton of stuff is different. I’m calling my wing dealer!! I hope a back-to-back will happen soon!!

Hi Jeremy, thanks a lot for the work you put into this….I never had a chance to get my hands on a F1 whatever version .. I have seen them a lot in competitions and they seem to be very good. But for me the handle aspect is really an issue. I started with Naish - many small handles - really not easy and it was a major improvement when I got my hands on the Mantis V2 - hard handle but with a soft connection to the wing … But than when I got my hands on a V3 Cabrinha handle .. for me THAT is the handle.. It is not totally stiff (as in the case of the UNIT) but very stiff and feels as good as the medium hard handle of the V2 version of the Mantis. I found the UNIT hard handles too hard and it might be a coincidence, but since I tired it out once I have a problem (kind of tendonitis) in my right arm. Since than, in order to keep on winging I am using quite a lot my trapez /harness?? That works out quite well. People tend not to compare between brands .. but I don´t understand why, because very wing has its own characteristics and for me it is easier to relate when you compare with something I know. So could you compare a bit to the Mantis you used? (I know you used it quiet shortly and you are biased) For instance, I would like to know which one you found stiffer, felt lighter, has been flagging out better. Keep on winging.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Sup bud! I love comparing between brands, back-to-backs comparisons are the easiest way for me to wrap my brain around things, and I tend to compare everything to the F-Ones cause that's what I ride the most. I'd say the v3 Mantis handles are the best "hard" handles I've used, although it was only for one session. I thought since I broke that wing, I'd own it but I paid for the repair and Phil will use it in his shop for teaching and demos. So I will be back to try it again, I just need to get down there. I only had the v2 Strike at the time, and there were big differences between the two, notably the stiffer canopy and the more instant power. I really really enjoyed the Mantis. And in order to really compare the v3 Strike to the v3 Mantis, I'll have to do a back-to-back... but I think they are finally getting somewhat similar in their characteristics. I'm going off of memory from one session and that was now a few months ago... so please take my words with a gain of salt. I rode the Mantis really LIT so the drift was not an issue, and it was hard to tell if it felt really heavy, but it didn't seem heavy at all. I'd say the Mantis was as stiff as the new Strikes, possibly slightly stiffer. So more research to come, it will probably take me a few weeks to get down to the shop to do some demos, but it's on my list and I'm stoked to try the Mantis again. IF the v3 Strike sucked, I totally would have been happy on the Mantis. So it's one of the few wings in the past year that I really enjoyed enough that I was considering it in my quiver. Thanks for your words bud, don't hesitate to ask more questions, and I wish you an awesome day!

@christoph4333

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 Thanks .. THAT was very helpful for me ... Great (personal and subjective) views - but there are no "objective" because évery person is different ... Again you just helped me a lot

🎉great review, any XPS test lined up?

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

I hope so! I expect my dealer will get some, fingers crossed I can make a test drive happen. I didn’t really like the last wing of theirs I tried, but it looks like there’s been a lot of changes! So I def want to ride with one. I’ll ask my dealer and see if I can get one going in the next few weeks.

Tried a 5 m , low wind conditions, low end was bad , really bad ! And everybody had the same feeling as me this day . Flying otherwise was good, lot of acceleration, quite nervous , a bit like a UNIT . SOFT HANDLE: better but still reduced the handling and the adjustment possibility during flying, so still prefer the hard handle. With high wind and therefore lower surface like 3 or 4 m maybe the low end won’t be a problem anymore but I heard a lot of guys selling there 5 and 5.5 m.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Right on bud! I concur. I haven’t been on anything smaller than the 5.5m, the 4.5m I have is still in its package. I dunno why but I’m never impressed with 5m wings, I always need something slightly bigger. Bummer people are selling theirs, but different strokes fr different folks! I say ride what you like. I’m stoked on mine, it’s right where I wanna be. Now I’m on the hunt for a new lighter wind wing… got anything big you like to ride?

@loloosteo2259

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 until now my biggest wings were 5.5 m . But this year I thought I would try a 7m since I really enjoy smaller high aspect foils in the 800-900 cm2 range. So my aim is to be able to ride them even in the low range 9-12 knots. Could try the new Duotone Ventis 7m and it passed the test : low end very easy to pump in low irregular wind , lot of vertical lift , good overall , easy wing. Couldn't unfortunately compare it to the new CWC3 but seem that it suffer the same DNA as the new strike v3.... So if you you are ok to trade low end for more performance The new CWC will have from what I heard a bit more upwind capabilities... hopefully I can test it back to back....

Hey now Jer Having trouble pumping up on the foil with the v3 strike 5.5. I understand that a faster cadence helps, but I can’t seem to get that initial grunt. Any technique suggestions would be appreciated! Loved the Corolla vid this morning! Ride on Deano

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Right on, thanks bud!! So the faster cadence thing is weird. Some days it works fine and other days I struggle. You need to let the wing do the work vs using your muscle. Not intuitive. I found it works best on flatter water, I can do it with some consistency. But in the chop I struggle. So light wind days in chop or waves, I find myself using the waves to help. Maybe think “one big pull, two big pulls, third pull and then flutter flutter flutter as you just start to get momentum, speed and rise.” I feel like that’s what I’ve been doing. And I’m doing less flutter pumping now, as the wing is still tight but I feel like the fabric has settled a little after two dozen sessions and it’s acting slightly different, not in a bad way. Try to dial it in on flat water, or when you are powered, try that 1,2,3 bigger pumps and practice the flutter after that as you start to lift on foil. I hope this helps! I hope to get a 5.5m v3 Swing to demo soon and I’m stoked to do a back-to-back with that. I think it’s gonna be a lot like the v2 Strikes. It’ll be interesting! Thanks bud and I wish you an awesome weekend!

You make me want to get one

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

They aren’t gonna be for everyone but def a high performing wing! I’m totally into them.

Got V3 7m and didn't like it at all Handle diameter too big compared to the V2, leading to hand cramps. Too heavy in low wind. Awkward to handle. Swap it back with my husband and got the V2 7m instead. Happier!

@OCEANBOUND1

10 ай бұрын

This is great feedback, thanks Cat 🙏 I’m glad you found something you prefer. I got the hand cramps too. And the same with the Swing, which has the same handles. It’s weird that they are about the same shape/size as a Unit handle but I get no issues with those.

Man, I thought I would get used to it but I gotta say that I’m still annoyed with the wing tips wanting to catch. It’s not that it’s that hard to avoid, I’m just tired of feeling like I have to constantly steer the back hand so much. I think it’s more than just the reduced dihedral, this new wing just feels like it wants to dive more. I say this based purely on experience with new CWC, maybe the smaller sizes aren’t that way.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Sup bud! Oh the smaller sizes are def that way; at least my 5.5 does it and I was just on a 7m and same thing. I think I’m getting a little better at steering it so it doesn’t always do that on the 5.5, it happens most in lighter wings and chop when I’m trying to get going. Did you have a v2 or v1? What do you think of the new CWC’s power compared to the previous models?

@snugkillsit

Жыл бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 I think my old CWC was a V1 but I didn’t think there was any difference other than color. On the power, it’s interesting now that I’m used to it. I still think it’s a bit harder to get on foil in light wind but once on foil, I can go faster and sustain longer easier glides so I suppose it’s just a bit of trade off. My current issue is more with the wing tips catching. Yesterday I accidentally caught a tip while hooked in and hauling ass, worst crash so far this year. I also find it grabbing more while doing 360s and upwind tacks. But the improvement with those same maneuvers regarding the handles is so much better!

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

@@snugkillsit I 100% agree with you, on all of that. The 8m I have is a beast, I do feel like I could get up with a lighter wing, but once I'm up, I am usually fully powered and I rarely need to keep pumping it. The wingtips drag is there at the 5.5m, and def the 7m I tried. I never thought of what that'd be like riding a harness... but wow, I can imagine now what that'd be like. when I was doing upwind tacks, I felt like it kept pitching down. So that was def throwing me off, I'd be coming around and the wing would just push downwards when it was overhead, where the earlier models are pretty neutral and that just isn't a thing. And for some reason, my forearms and hands got tired quicker... it was my second session and there was a lot of pumping going on, but once I was up on the 7m, it felt more powered up in my hands than it actually was... it was more difficult to hold on to. Also, I'm 95% sure the handles on the CWC are different. More rounded and not the kinda square feeling that the other F-One handles have. The feel like they feel like they have a bigger diameter, so maybe that slight increase was messing up my grip? Still looking for a new light wind wing, right now I'm eyeing the Ventis, If it has all the same characteristics of the CWCs but also hard handles, then I'm gonna go there (it looks really similar). Maybe it will be better. The other Duotone wings are pretty decent, tight canopies and whatnot. So it could potentially be better than the v3 CWC. I'll let you know what I think soon!

Is it true you should size up the V3 compared to the V2? The difference being about 0.5 sqm meaning: V3 5sqm = V2 4.5sqm power wise. Thanks for your answer.

@OCEANBOUND1

3 ай бұрын

@favi8273 yes def true!

@favi8273

3 ай бұрын

@@OCEANBOUND1 Thanks man! Which of the two is more suited for a beginner: Duotone Unit (2023) or F-One Strike V3 (2023).

@OCEANBOUND1

3 ай бұрын

@@favi8273 I’d say the Unit.

great , i ordered new Xps ,cant wait to get it in next 14 days,. Fone looks great but is more expensive than XPS

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

I’m super curious of the XPS and hope to get on one soon! I’m really hoping the new FOne wings will hold up better than previous seasons, so if they do, the price point is appropriate cause it’s cheaper than the Allulas but if not, the XPS looks like it could possibly be an excellent alternative. Let me know what you think of them!!

Hey Jeremy, Here's one for you, gonna replace my 6m V2, should I go with the 5.5 V3 or the 6m V3? Current quiver is a 2.5, 3, 4, 6 & 8, all V2.Thanks for the input! -Alan

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Sup bud! Sorry I missed this. That’s an interesting situation. I would say go 5.5. Cause that 5.5 vs the 6…. The 5.5 is so much more fun. Lighter. Goes upwind better. Maybe it has less pull or grunt than the 6, but you have an 8m for the light days. The v3 is like a totally different wing, so be warned about that. I really dig the changes. I haven’t tried a v3 CWC yet either. I hear they have less power, but I’m skeptical. I just busted my 8m so I’m on the hunt for a new big wing… I really hope I can try a new CWC first. But I still believe that 5.5 will be more fun than a new v3 CWC. I haven’t event opened my 4.5 cause Ike riding the 5.5 so much. Let me know what you do! If you do CWC I wanna know what you think!

@rocketmarket684

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeremy! As always I really appreciate your thoughtful input. Pretty sure I’m gonna go to 5.5. Headed to Hood River as I write this! I will let you know

You really should have a gauge on your pump. The flick test does not seem repeatable and or practical for proper testing.

@OCEANBOUND1

Жыл бұрын

Sup bud! I kinda disagree. Once you know the sound, it’s totally repeatable.It’s a certain timbre, a “tink tink” and not a “tunk tunk” and when I took my first kiteboarding lessons over 15 years ago, my instructor showed me how to listen for the right sound and I’ve always used that method and haven’t had any issues. I don’t trust pump pressure gauges, and I’ve certainly seen more than one kite pop because people were only watching their gauge. You should give it a try. Pump your kite or wing up to the proper pressure using your gauge, and start flicking in a few spots and listen for the sound. Do that every time you set up. And you will probably start to hear the right sound. And try it with different kites, see if there are similarities.