So, help me understand: Herrera has been in the organization since 2016 and they just NOW FIGURED OUT he can’t throw? I mean…it’s like JWalk…they brought him to the big leagues, he started out his career with a hitting streak…but they sent him BACK TO MINORS TO GET MORE LIFT? Guys…we gotta fix this kind of semipro staff who is responsible for that mess, yes? It’s a TRAINWRECK.

@chrisweidner4768

Ай бұрын

💯💯💯💯☝️☝️☝️Exactly. Can’t blame the players. Horrific development and decision making throughout the organization. Look into what Pallante said in an interview with Goold. Trainwreck indeed. Well said. And yea, Herrera MLB bat but in no way a MLB catcher.

@dillonhatfield7724

Ай бұрын

Soon they’ll be sending Win lm down to learn how to field the ball.

@ScottyPeabody

Ай бұрын

What Leitch & Bernie talkn about, the stadium is empty, there’s no buzz, there’s no excitement. There’s a lotta people in denial, pretending…still dreaming somehow they can sneak in and go on a run, and that’s the wrong kind of hope I’m looking for. It’s this **strategy** that’s got us where we are. Pete Kozma isn’t gonna show up and hit .900 in the postseason. And it’s allowing the club to use this strategy…eke in, and get lucky, that’s the reason the organization is where it is.

I am from SE Missouri and when the Cardinals played in St Louis there use to be a steady stream of Fans on I55. Its not like that any more.

@TheOGSticks11

Ай бұрын

Fun fact: they still play in St. Louis. Still a steady stream of fans. They just flood bars and liquor stores to cope.

I enjoy listening, thanks!

The Cardinals use to build from within and now Mo has completly depleted the minors in trades that did nothing for the team.

@boschlosser10

Ай бұрын

It’s better though from the sell off of last season

@dillonhatfield7724

Ай бұрын

And they only have like 1-2 players they could trade to restock the system. They should honestly trade everyone over 25. It’s going to be a 5-6 year rebuild to get this team back to a contender that can sustain its success.

This podcast beautifully puts everything into perspective. The leaky faucet analogy is spot on

I've been a Cardinal fan since 1968. I live 1.5 hours north of the ballpark. I have watched most every game for years on FSMW or Bally Sports via Comcast. I love the game, & realize the team won't win the WS every year, or even make the playoffs every year. I lived through the 1970's teams & the 80's post Whitey, pre-LaRussa teams, so I've seen some terrible teams. I have now been transported to the early 1970's, when I could only see the Cardinals on TV via the occasional Saturday game of the week, or once in awhile on Sundays with Jay Randolph and about a 3 camera shot view. Baseball or the Cardinals have to do something about Xfinity/BallySports situation, or offer an alternative. After awhile, you just find other things to fill the evenings, & the team becomes a little less important every week. Baseball can't let that happen. I appreciate you guys talking about this situation on your podcast today.

@ScottyPeabody

Ай бұрын

Similar circumstances. Went to my 1st game in 1967 against the Reds. The team is a barrel of misfit toys.

@greatone275

Ай бұрын

Its so funny you said this, I have friends all of the U.S and it used to drive them crazy with all the Cardinal jerseys in their ballpark especially Shea, KMOX had that strong antenna and could be heard from miles around from Tenn to Ark families made their way up for a weekends series, my man Jack Buck & Mike Shannon " fun at the old ballpark " was now lie, is all gone, replaced by mediocre baseball and ball park village

I’m giving Bernie & Leitch credit for #Nado who is on a 5-7 tear since y’all dropped him in the grease!

YES ,YES, YES, THE 1970'S AND 1990'S and Now if remember those times idon't watch the games anymore i look for the final score of the game. the ownership and front office don't care let's stop hiring from within in the front office.

My favorite pod.

On the thought of where players want to play…what MLB player wants to play for a coach who didn’t make it out of single-A ball who throws their players under the bus and talks to everyone like they’re below him?

I made a comment last week on a Cardinal fan FB page that Paul Goldschmidt liked. I told my 30 year old son. He asked, "Who is Paul Goldschmidt?" I have failed as a parent.

@Weeninthegrass

Ай бұрын

Did you really try to brag to your 30 year old son about a comment that was liked by a semi-famous ball player on the Cardinals? 😂 Just poking fun man… don’t feel bad, Pujols “came back” and completely shadowed Goldschmidt. That only happened because we don’t talk about sports anymore. We don’t talk about sports anymore, because many of us can’t afford to watch them.

Nolan is on a last place team. He came here to win.

@boschlosser10

Ай бұрын

Another failed Mo promise

@TheOGSticks11

Ай бұрын

It does feel like he's given up on the dream a bit and that's sad because he was so desperate to leave Colorado that he bought the load from us and he probably has a ring if he goes to either coast. He was that good back then. We just secretly didn't need just one piece. Imagine if he had become a Met with Alonso and Lindor? Or the Dodgers lmfao? He can find it, but if you don't rebuild, it has to be built around Arenado and I mean now, within the next year or so. Which isn't exactly a feasible option. So many holes in the system.

Gorman is 45 for 125 when he does not strike out.

@georgesouthwick7000

Ай бұрын

That’s like saying the Titanic would have had a great voyage if they hadn’t hit the iceberg.

This bunch has helped me to learn how to distance myself from the team of my life. Finally no stress or disappointment. Wishing them the best. The revelations by Pallante. Would be nice if they prove to be the tipping point to get Dewitt to make massive changes. First on my wish list; Terry Francona at the helm. Says he wants to return next season. I’d try to convince him to get back in the dugout. Now.

They would have to get a lot better to be in the middle. Right now they are closer to the bottom.

Arenado has to have some sort of underlying issue like he needs vision correction (glasses/contacts), or some psychological issue that's blocking his performance. If he can overcome whatever his underlying issue is, I think he has potential for another rather solid season.

Just rebuild stop pretending just rebuild.

@boschlosser10

Ай бұрын

Bro do you really want Mo and company starting the rebuild like pump the breaks

@teremusthompson644

Ай бұрын

I’m a Jordon Walker advocate the man is 22 years old just let him play stop trying to change him. De la Cruz is worshipped by all because of the flash yet Jordan Walker had a better season as stated by “ The Grand Pupa” Bernie M. , but you would never know by the way everyone wants to change him. Your killing his confidence that’s why he seems to have gotten worse he is over thinking if you’re not happy trade him so he can go to a team that will be happy with his current game and let him grow into the man. Then all these crazy Cardinal fans will wonder when he is 25-27 years old knocking home runs everywhere. 😮

@Jeff76767

Ай бұрын

Yes, but it shouldn’t be this front office overseeing the rebuild.

@Jeff76767

Ай бұрын

@@boschlosser10I think he was implying that this front office wouldn’t be a part of that.

@heffiagametech8094

Ай бұрын

@@boschlosser10 heck no, rebuild management first.

Arenado's priorities have shifted sub-consciously, anyone notice that shortly after he became a dad his drive started to wither? Not saying his desire for a ring isn't there, his energy and focus has shifted.

@chrisweidner4768

Ай бұрын

Guys a multi-millionaire. Good on him if that’s the case. Trade him, if possible.

Charlie start that Trout to STL rumor get that buzz going maybe Mo will hear it and wake the F up and make that splash move we need because everyone else is going to make big moves at the deadline for Robert Jr. Luzardo Bichette Vladdy Alonso etc and I don’t wanna hear we got Edman he has to go back to 2B.. no way this guy can man CF and the demand that position brings with coming off this injury that we haven’t heard anything about… pair Trout with Edman Contreras and Noot return with Gorman DH not Carp Burly coming off the bench and off days imo this is a whole new line up… and addition of maybe Quintana reunion and some solid bullpen arms then they could compete in October otherwise they are just going to tread water till seasons end

The St Louis media has been very fair with Oli. I just wish I could ask Bernie this one question. Considering the fact that this roster is all we have to work with, do you think that Oli is the right manager for THIS group of players? Or better yet, do you think that there is a veteran manager out there somewhere that could coax more out of this particular group? Personally, I think this team needs a more charismatic, inspirational leader. Someone that’s been through it all before. Someone who can bridge the gap between the inexperienced, younger players and the veteran leaders who seem to be having doubts about their own abilities. Someone who knows how to keep guys loose! I think Oli is probably a fine manager for a team that is a lot less neurotic than this one.

@davidshowmaker4408

Ай бұрын

Joe Madden

The first two months a team finds out what it is then spends the next two months trying to fix it. At some point the finger has to point at the reason to blame instead of pretending this is acceptable.

As a fan , I believe that Dewitt Jr and his son Dewitt III, just need to sell their stake in the Cardinals in order to get rid of Mo, Girsch and Marlow and anyone else who is holding down the Cardinals

And I'm wondering what it is they can do 🎶 🎸 🥁 🎙️

@chrisweidner4768

Ай бұрын

“Clowns to the left of me. Jokers to the right.”

@ronaldabrams7222

Ай бұрын

@@chrisweidner4768 De Witt and Mo.

I was able to go to a game on Sunday for the first time in 10 years so I don't have a baseline of the experience. That being said, I for one went to see Burleson (Biscuit). I wanted to get a shirt with his name, but didn't have the money. They didn't have a cheaper shirt. I did get a Goldie shirt.

When the Cards have issues Bernie is in his sweet spot. Weird ending to the pod, guess Will had to go to the bathroom

I think Arenado needs a change of scenery. L.A. could still use him and they may have answers for his hitting issues. And hitting in that lineup can only help him. Marmol is not the problem but he obviously isn’t the solution. I like the suggestion someone else made in this comment thread….Terry Francona. Great with players and a proven winner. We need someone from outside the organization. Mo steps aside, what’s his name Haime Bloem (I’m sure the spelling is wrong) runs the baseball operations. Start a rebuild with this core: Contreras and Goldy stay, Winn, Gorman, Donovan, and Burleson. Focus the draft on starting pitchers like Tink Hence and others from our past glory days. Think Matt Morris and Chris Carpenter. Bulldogs that will take the ball every fifth day and want to WIN! This is my plan. Other suggestions welcome.

Nice job

Well said. Bad vibes. You need a guy for the press before and after games to have fun with it.

Stuck in the middle with you and I'm wondering what it is I should do. Mo.

Why don't they sign Zack Greinke? He would be a good fifth starter. And add additional leadership to the clubhouse.

The 2 loses to the Rockies hurt, but what im trying to understand is they were a slightly below .500 team coming into the season so whats the problem ?

@blueshattrick

Ай бұрын

The problem is in the past being below .500 was seen as an emergency by ownership.. but recently, it's more like a *shrug* and a "We just need to be patient..." press conference from Mo

@boschlosser10

Ай бұрын

Really they run this like money ball.. 6-7 out of first and in the hunt for the card.. they see themselves 1-1.5 back of that and they are content.. but problem is teams are going to go all in at the deadline Vladdy Bitchette Rober Jr Luzardo Alonso etc.. cardinals don’t have a line up that pitchers fear they need a Pujols like presence that’s why I have said many times for the advocation of a Trout trade it won’t happen I know it but our outfield is bad… but if Edman came back at second Trout was in center Donnie Noot in corners Gorman DH not Carp.. Burly off bench or off Day.. imo the line up would take off as Goldie and Arenado need that Pujols like threat vet superstar to take the pressure off to perform at their highest ability we saw this in 2022

@greatone275

Ай бұрын

@@blueshattrick yeah, the organization began preparing us for mediocre seasons 5 years ago and followed through on it

The problem now for years, even playoff teams is the organization won't go all in. You have to either spend to get better or blow it up and rebuild. We just tip our toes in the water instead of jumping in and being committed. Only one plan makes sense to me, trade Arenado for prospects, he certainly won't bring what he would have 18 months ago. Goldy really doesn't matter at this point, how much is a declining player going to bring as a rental. Trade him or keep him; either way this is his last season. Most importantly, move on from Mo and Oli. This is a rudderless ship.

Only 4 of 15 NL teams have a winning record. Mo should try to help the players win the NL Central, pennant and World Series, not just try to win the 3rd wild card and hope for luck in the playoffs.

Cards could have a good offense…..the problem is they’re completely reliant on 100% of their guys staying healthy which will never happen over 162. The disaster scenario that’s currently unfolding with Walker being sent down, Nootbaar hurt again, Carlson completely lost at the plate, Edman still being out, Contreras being hurt, Arenado and Goldy not being themselves and even having to manage Winn’s workload resulting in having to rely on Pages/Herrera, Siani, Carpenter, Crawford and now Fermin as much as they have is where the FO completely failed. Not a single player at any level of the minors appears to be ready to take the next step and therefore you have zero depth whatsoever. Hopefully Edman and Contreras return soon, that should provide a nice spark. Ideally you get Noot back too and you can let Donnie be your utility guy again. He certainly can’t be any worse in a spot start at SS than Crawford

@jiimbow

Ай бұрын

they could have a good offense by batting nado 5th or 6th and batting goldy 9th but only against lefts goldy cant hit right hand pitching at all anymore in other words let goldy ride the pine awhile and bring him in late for defense goldy kills more rallys then a anyone in baseball also is goldy playing golf to much his batting swing looks like a golfer? no leg movement at all ..I guess its time to move on from goldy no way they bring him back next year if they do there will be a fan revolt

They really do suck guys and gals! This is why I want them to lose. The standards are so low that even a third wild card spot will give them any excuse they need to not make changes. The people who caused this shouldn’t be allowed to “try” to fix it. I put that in quotes because they aren’t committed to winning and the front office has no clue what they’re doing. They need to be fired. Losing is the only way that happens.

12:28 snuck one in 😅

The issue is direction. The organization is a rudderless ship. The Cardinals aren’t good enough to contend with the upper echelon teams, they aren’t bad enough to warrant a total tear down and they aren’t desperate or hungry enough to push all in. If the team was serious about a rebuild, it should have happened at the deadline last year. Anything of value should have went. They went half way…. If the team was serious about contending with the big boys, they would have taken a hard look at reality and made the 1 or 2 moves still needed beyond what was done. They went halfway….. The team has been poor at identifying players to keep and players to move and poor trades have only worsened the risk aversion. They’ve been below average at developing talent over the last 3-5 years. Too many really good prospects have regressed and too many guys that struggled here have flourished elsewhere….I don’t know if that’s purely development or if evaluation is part of it. If I’m running the team, the first thing I’m doing is dumping all money required into development….Whether it’s coaches, equipment, evaluation/analytics….whatever. Cardinals HAVE to get back to that. Cardinals under DeWitt have (up until the last 5-6 years) always developed internally and supplemented with trades or FA’s. THAT was the Cardinal Way. Now it’s the other way around and you’ve got a roster made up of mostly mid level free agent signings supplemented with mid level talent prospects. Next - I’m culling the FO Brass - Brain drain and complacency is a real thing with Mozeliak and Mike Girsch. This isn’t an issue regarding spending. DeWitt has never ran a Top 5 payroll and it was never an issue….Its heart and desire. What I do is go out and spend what’s needed to steal guys from other organizations that can offer fresh ideas. Mozeliak was great …but, I don’t know if others made him look better than he was or if his fire is dwindling….whatever it is needs changed. Oli has to be a part of that. He was put into a no win situation, but at the end of the day….hes not an A level manager….which is what is desperately needed. I could go on, but the overall point is direction. If you wanna contend….do what’s needed. If the talent isn’t there then do what’s needed in the short term but benefit the long haul. If you aren’t willing to do either, then you’re in the wrong business…..The Cardinals are stuck in limbo and in reality, the only way out is to gut everything of value, endure 2-3 years of shit baseball, hire smart on the FO and coaching side, spend big on the development side and circle 2028 as the year to start supplementing the young talent you’ve kept, acquired and drafted and FA signing and trades. Question is….Does anyone in the organization have the guts to do it and will the fans get behind it if there a light at the end of the tunnel?

I know the ownership won’t do it but they should trade for Luis Robert! I’d trade Arenado, Hence , Nootbaar, Carlson

@jiimbow

Ай бұрын

they dont want the cardinals garbage

Trade Arenaro to a contender for whatever. Move Gorman to 3rd. Take the money and sign pitching. Sign Bauer to 2 yrs ... 2025. - Fried Gray Bauer Gibson Mikolas sounds nice to me.

@chrisweidner4768

Ай бұрын

Realizing that we could of easily signed Lorenzen, Lugo etc.

@boschlosser10

Ай бұрын

I’d rather keep him and try for Trout over anything maybe Robert Jr.. imo I don’t see Edman being the solution at CF and Siani won’t get us there Carlson is imo done in STL and Scott just isn’t ready

@YouMama1777

Ай бұрын

Me too. But they won't do that. Over the years, I have tapered my expectations to what they will realistically do. Financially ... hey wont sign Bauer either. They should and they could afford it ... but "ThE CuLTuRe!"

@Jeff76767

Ай бұрын

Why would a contender want Arenado? He’s rapidly declining and is paid a ton. No team wants that.

You wanna see Walker hit more HR? Trade him to Rangers, or Rays! But Flores is a hot commodity, oh yeah. Can we stop pretending all the great development managers are some sort of next….FFS…John Mozeliak? How does that strike ya? Come on boys, I know you know, drop them in the GREASE!

If Oli isn’t a Mo puppet then that just means Oli is largely responsible for the bad team. You’re not helping Oli by saying he’s his own man making his own decisions. I’m of the opinion that Oli is a Mo puppet, which is why I don’t direct my displeasure at Oli. He’s wholly unqualified to be the Cards manager and needs to go, but he’s not responsible.

I disagree, Burleson has been electric and has never gotten a fair shake by the talking heads.

@spencernene

Ай бұрын

He also hit a bomb when he was supposed to be mic’d up, would’ve been awesome, still had a great interview though

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@CharlieMarlowSTL

Ай бұрын

congrats!

Cardinals ruined Walker! There is nobody to help him!

“Stuck in the middle” is a nice way of saying “worst team in a trash division and one of the worst teams in baseball.”

Sigh . 2-1 loss to the Pirates. Team has zero clutch gene. Zero. Sigh. Air sucked out of the room again and again. A tough watch.

@jiimbow

Ай бұрын

thats goldy does he ever get a hit with risp goldy gets hit when there far ahead or behind no clutch gene in him at all

Stop the pipe dream of Baur we don't need him so Mo says he's better than 4 of there 5 starters and play minimum wage who needs that

the heart of the cardinals now are winn.. burleson..gorman ..contreras..donavon ......nootbarr and edmonds move on from there past legends that silly making goldy and nado the center of your team they both need to go