Great vid. Very thorough. These young men are really doing well.

@TheZR2Kid

Ай бұрын

Yes! Theses guys are great, I just hate how Tommy’s more enthusiastic towards a Toyota when it really doesn’t do much better (if any) than the others. Otherwise, they did great.

@thomaskrause5860

Ай бұрын

😂​@@TheZR2Kid

@marcJoel

27 күн бұрын

@@TheZR2Kidperhaps it handles well

@wewaits45

22 күн бұрын

@@TheZR2Kid Except it did do better than anything and equalled the jeep at a lot less money. The Ranger is down in the basement with nissan as far as build quality and ride quality, the GM didn't do very well for the price and the ridgeline is a great pickup but not a great offroad vehicle. The Tacoma is tied for the beefiest frame, keeps up with the jeep with less crap going on underneath and it'll hold resale better than any of them. If you drive them all back to back you would be enthusiastic about it as well. Iron Man Ivan Stewart didn't make his bones driving Jeeps and Fords.

@TheZR2Kid

21 күн бұрын

@@wewaits45 You are kind of funny. You talk about price, the taco TRD off-road is $45,000+ and it can’t even go in and out of 4wd. Secondly, for 3 more thousand dollars you could have a ZR2 that has 2 lockers. Lockers are always better than traction control. The taco also doesn’t even have 4wd auto which the Chevy does. This means you don’t have to engage and disengage the four-wheel-drive for slippery conditions. It also way easier on four-wheel-drive system. The taco has a beefy frame but a low towing and payload capacity. I know I’m going to get hate for this, however, the fact is the Chevy Colorado is (by no comparison) better than the other midsize trucks stock.

Thank you for showing underneath the trucks, it’s frustrating how few reviews do that

@TFLtruck

Ай бұрын

No problem 👍

@dhag72

16 күн бұрын

One of those things I didn't know I needed. Like yes I'm an auto tech so I will see every angle of these trucks at some point, but really, it's hard to find pics under certain vehicles when you're not in my situation. Good thinking!

Tommy's hoodie makes me think he's gonna start singing "you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals..."

@FCT8306onTwoWheels

Ай бұрын

🎶

@phantom0456

Ай бұрын

Do it again, now!

@markwatts1101

Ай бұрын

Funny😅

@kevinmitchell4446

Ай бұрын

i was thinking what does the fox say

@hoosierdude7102

Ай бұрын

Nice catch! I read this and saw that hoodie and laughed out loud! “You’ll Lovett, just like Lyle!”

I’m liking the Frontier the more I see it.

@GaryKetchum808

Ай бұрын

Luckily for me, I'm seeing em more often. Looks like folks are buying em.

@All-Miles-Matter

Ай бұрын

I have a 23 pro 4x. They knocked it out the park with this truck. Big naturally aspirated v6. Everything has a button. Its the last of the simple trucks. I LOVEEEEE my p4x

@usnr5950

Ай бұрын

I have a 22 Frontier without that annoying auto shutoff!😊

@Kusgan4x4

21 күн бұрын

Definitely a beast off-road. A lot of KZread reviewers gave it a bad rap on their off-road testing. But I've done some pretty good off-roading with this with videos to prove that it is a true competitor.

@dohc1974

13 күн бұрын

The frontier has outdated tech but I still love it. I wish Nissan offered the 4x4 sv with a locking rear diff. I want more simplicity, I don’t want to upgrade to the pro4x just to get a locking rear diff 😭

@4:58 The Tacoma probably said, "the last time I went into 4 low, I broke."

@user-do9ir8lv2m

Ай бұрын

ummm no it didn't and when it does it is because of user error troll

@roadglidehoss

Ай бұрын

Little defensive are we..... he was making a joke​@user-do9ir8lv2m

@rafterktbcattle3022

Ай бұрын

@@user-do9ir8lv2m So this Tacoma 4 wheel drive didn't break when it was being tested on snowing conditions??

@jimmyjackass1805

Ай бұрын

@@user-do9ir8lv2m Toyota Fan Boy in 3 2 1. Triggered Much

@billw8476

Ай бұрын

@@user-do9ir8lv2m that's just not true, at all

I own a 23’ frontier pro 4x. I’d say my experience with the off road capabilities in the beginning were decent. However my experiences were instantly transformed when I swapped out the stock Hankooks for BFG Ko2’s. The locker does help for sure, but the difference the tires made was wild. I will also say the Hankooks are absolutely fine for the vast majority of driving most will do though.

@danbelden7354

Ай бұрын

I agree I have a 23 pro 4x as well and even with the stock tires it has gone anywhere I have wanted

@Dusdaddy

Ай бұрын

Tires are everything in any truck. I can't imagine how much better a Taco would be once you lose those cheap stock shoes....

@philh1826

Ай бұрын

I have the 2016 pro 4x. The old Hankooks seemed decent but woundup replacing with Toyo AT3s. Never been stuck but ill give the KO2s a chance whenever I need to replace them

@backwoodstherapy

Ай бұрын

​@@Dusdaddythose stock tires are BFG Trail terrains. Not cheap but also not super aggressive - they're a step down from KO2s in terms of off road traction.

@Blue-moon12

Ай бұрын

​@@danbelden7354I agree with you 100%.

The frontier is such a under rated little tuck

I came here for the Frontier as I own a Pro 4x. But TFL did brilliantly in reviewing these trucks, especially under the vehicles.

That Frontier has the old Pathfinder's wheels!!! I LOVE IT!!!

Glad to see you didn’t snap the front differential in the Toyota again.

@bluceree7312

Ай бұрын

good one

@Redfour5

Ай бұрын

Burn

@marklihsu

Ай бұрын

There was no ice this time just ideal conditions

@backwoodstherapy

Ай бұрын

Yeah I saw the slip test and my first thought was "this may be too much for the new Toyota to handle."

@plmn93

Ай бұрын

Well it wasn't uphill.

With the options in this segment, for outright reliability, I’d go Nissan Frontier Pro4X. Good ol NA motor. Their VQ motors have always been solid motors. The VQ38DD is no different.

@TheRealCatof

10 күн бұрын

Lol, Nissan reliable?

@IPGAuto

10 күн бұрын

@@TheRealCatof - I can’t speak for other models. Their CVT were trash, but their VQ engines in the 350Z, 370Z, Frontier were absolutely stellar. The VQ40D in the Frontier was as good as the 1GR 4.0 V6 in Toyota.

Thanks for throwing the Ridgeline in there. I’ve never taken mine off road but cool to see how it would handle itself on a light trail. Also nice to see its AWD system is capable in conditions I will find myself in…snow. Love ya’lls vids. Keep up the good work!

@edwardweeks1539

Ай бұрын

Take it off the beaten path its fun I promise

@blakerh

Ай бұрын

I just got a 2024 Ridgline Black Edition. It is so much nicer than my 2016 Tacoma TRD Sport that I traded in. I dont go off road, so it is a perfect truck for city driving.

@brayoungful

Ай бұрын

I've got a ZR2 and my friend's CRV is SO much nicer to ride in off-road. Sure, my ZR2 can go some places I wouldn't take the Honda, but 90% of offroading I do (and I live in the desert southwest) is just as passable with the CRV as it is my ZR2. The Ridgeline should be similar in terms of hardware and ground clearance. KBB also drove like an hour and a half down a washboarded road with the previous model of Ridgeline and the shocks overheated and exploded. Honda *specifically* reengineered them in the current model to be robust to that, so they're rock solid. If your tires are coming up on needing replacement, I'd recommend changing them out to slightly more aggressive off roading tires.. you'll lose a bit of mpg, but then you'll be able to take your Ridgeline anywhere.

@falcorzed

7 күн бұрын

@@brayoungfulgreat info. The new shocks are in the 23 or 24 version? All trims?

@brayoungful

6 күн бұрын

@@falcorzed I can't seem to find me video right now, but I saw it several years ago... It was KBB or maybe Car and Driver. They mentioned that Honda specifically told them they fixed it because they blew.up the shocks in the previous review driving on a washboarded road. Anyways, I think it's this whole current model of Ridgeline. Probably 2018+, I think.

The Ridgeline gets a silly amount of hate. It’s perfectly capable for daily truck stuff and a great family pick up without needing to prove something.

@jimsomerville3924

Ай бұрын

But very expensive.

@dank9288639

Ай бұрын

they all are 😂 ​@@jimsomerville3924

@go_dawgs_8290

Ай бұрын

@@jimsomerville3924all trucks are these days, the ridgeline remains cheaper than most still. At least near me that is

@davep4610

Ай бұрын

The lack of ground clearance makes it a non-starter for me, even for snow driving on roads.

@therues7071

Ай бұрын

@@davep4610 I put a 2in lift on my 2024. I am happy with it now but I do agree Honda needs to add raise the ground clearance from the factory.

Gotta say the honda is very impressive. I know it's not really going to to do anything extreme but it'll do everything 90% of people need it to. And do it in comfort and better fuel economy.

@MOLOKAIKOA11

Ай бұрын

Took it hunting. Put a deer in the back trunk.😂

@IdazonaAdventures

Ай бұрын

Didn’t do that well in the dirt test.. prolly the worst one there

@backwoodstherapy

Ай бұрын

​@@IdazonaAdventuresit sure didn't. But it's not meant to do ruts like that. It's meant for people who would otherwise drive a passport but want to be able to throw a refrigerator in the back or move a couch without having to hook up a trailer or rent a truck from uhaul. Even the trail sport is more of a "1-2 trail rated" kind of off roader. Maybe a dirt roader. And most people who buy Raptors just off road at the mall, so they have the same buyers tbh. 😂

@user-kc1ld1nq1w

Ай бұрын

​@@IdazonaAdventures the same Honda AWD system is probably the best of the trucks in Snow which a larger percentage of truck are probably in over huge, tire in the air ruts.

@IdazonaAdventures

Ай бұрын

@@backwoodstherapy yea I understand that. It’s great for what’s it’s designed to do. It’s decent off road but I’d take any of the other trucks for an off road vehicle over the Honda. If I had a commuter that spend most of the time on the highway and very little time on trail the Honda would be a great choice!

My 2021 Ranger FX4 has a button to lock the rear, none of that touch screen crap.

@NicholasRobertsvalleyford

Ай бұрын

Ranger has a button as well to lock axle. I have a video of 24 ranger lariat on my channel.

@Silverback_GMT410

Ай бұрын

Well yeah cause that truck was outdated when it came stateside

@LongWalker730

Ай бұрын

@@Silverback_GMT410Outdated? More like proven and reliable. I like outdated

Honda just needs to make the Ridgeline look more rugged and truck shape and they will have better success. I'll admit Ridgeline is a cool name too.

@billricheter5678

Ай бұрын

More clearance and not such exposed underbody

@elche1976

Ай бұрын

Yeah, there's a reason they are well behind in the midsized truck sales department.

@Doc1855

Ай бұрын

Most people who buy 4WD trucks want a Body on Frame and not a wimpy car Unibody

@mouaxiong8618

Ай бұрын

Honda is not claiming it a crawling machine like other trucks used in this video. They'll get more hate if Honda makes it look more like a "real truck" when Honda knows its not. These aren't exactly the off roading or body class the Ridgeline should be competing on anyways.

@billw8476

Ай бұрын

@@elche1976 well, it doesn't have a frame, like a real truck does.

Fun to watch Roman's inpatients Tommy inherited.😄

I never understood the fight some manufacturers have with 4wd low. My old ford explorer locks and unlocks in 4wd low in a second. No pulling forward and back.

@oweny7814

Ай бұрын

Looks like it’s just a Toyota problem

@eddycarmona3979

Ай бұрын

My 22 year old Chevy switches at the press of a button. My brothers 22 Tacoma TRD pro you have to fight it. Makes zero sense

@maxjordan2625

8 күн бұрын

Same with my 90s jeep. Never had an issue.

You would think with today's technology Toyota would make their four wheel drive system better, it's 2024 you still have to pull forward and back up pull forward and back up to get it to engage or disengage 🤣

@jaytrock3217

Ай бұрын

Reliability is the reason. You are the wanted it now generation, and fix later. I rather it work slower and not fix it later.

@gregc9220

Ай бұрын

@@jaytrock3217 but it already broke the front diff in the first dirt video 🤣🤣🤣

@thewireman134

Ай бұрын

At least it didn't break this time

@JeremyHoutgoogleplus

Ай бұрын

Dude it’s sucked for like 20 years I think they have had time to figure it out. Worst part of Toyota is the fan boys

@rodicmilorad5

Ай бұрын

Toyota have to copy other company's first to get 4x4

It would be cool to see these same tests done with half payload, and then full payload.

@mrvwbug4423

Ай бұрын

Nobody is going 4 wheeling with a mid-size truck loaded to the max. If you need to haul a heavy load and go off road, you really are better served with a full size

@Eikichi4798

Ай бұрын

@mrvwbug4423 I do all the time while overlanding. These are also suppose to be tests to see how the truck acts, and is also why I suggested a test at half payload (most common for overlanding) and full payload (to see hoe it does at the extreme).

@user-gq2vn1xj2r

Ай бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 You would be amazed at how fast payload fills up with camping gear and passengers.

I have 20 ranger and it has a physical button for the locker and doesn't have any of these issues with the modes. Seems like they went backwards by adding all these stupid extra screens.

@austinw75

Ай бұрын

Same here, I feel the traction modes on the 5g ranger do a pretty good job. Id like to see a comparison between the two, I think that would be interesting.

Gladiator - I know sometimes you don't have control on what you get, but a willy's with hard top and rear locker, and the same off road esc can be had for 15k less. Also, it says a lot at Jeep Safari- they send you up a hill in a Mojave knowing people are going to hit the underside and the jeep reps are 'whatever'. When you see the test courses manufacturers throw at you, the level of confidence reflects the level that the developers expect the vehicle to perform at. Compare the Gladiator intro events to the intro events for everyone else except the Chevy (the desert race course-that was impressive).

@tylermacconnell217

Ай бұрын

The Jeep has an off road cruise control system as well which they didn’t use.

This was a very comprehensive test comparison and I enjoyed watching!!! You guys helped me make my decision on my new truck which is the 2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-road ( bronze oxide). Keep up the good work fellas we appreciate your efforts!

Thank you for doing all these in depth tests. It puts well deserved pressure on manufactures to build quality vehicles for the consumers. I'm very convinced vehicle manufacturers watch these comparisons. Thank you TFL family 👍 With that being said, I hope TFL is compensating Andre for using his personal truck.

@TFLtruck

Ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

Went to a event in Springfield Mo with my jeeps . Crazy to say a guy showed up with a overland build ridge line with a 2.5 lift and a set of k02’s and outperformed a lot of equipment double the price in mods

Hey the Toyota didn't break this time 😅

I'd still buy the Colorado Trail Boss. Cheaper than the Jeep and Toyota, and performed just as well. Yes, the rear leafs do affect the ride, but it's still good enough. If I was in the market today that's the way I'd go.

Looks like a lot of getting unstuck is knowing your vehicle and how it likes to do it. This was very helpful as current owner to be aware of using 4 low to unstuck myself.

@briskhockey

Ай бұрын

Yep. Learned it this year in my 2018 frontier SV (no locker) went into some crunchy snow and sunk and got stuck in 4high. Put it into 4low and backed right out

Regarding the Nissan, it is known that the traction control system is much, much more aggressive in engagement in 4-LO. It is almost nonexistent in 4-HI. It is by their design. Also, you guys should have used the Pro-4x trim to keep the comparisons like-for-like.

@beexiong2995

Ай бұрын

You mean its an old outdated system. Everyone already has moved forward based on this test showing all the trucks getting out in 4hi. Except the ford

@02PSU

Ай бұрын

The Pro 4X is very impressive and tried and true. Trust me, it’ll be the most sought after mid size out of all those tested.

@Blue-moon12

Ай бұрын

​@beexiong2995 Just because something is more new or modern doesn't make it better. Nissan simply is tried and tested and successful. So why change it?

@beexiong2995

Ай бұрын

@@Blue-moon12 but everything was better 😂. And the nissan in this test costs more than some of the competitors. That should be a 35k truck.

@beexiong2995

Ай бұрын

@@02PSU nah. The nissan is not even a top pick for offroaders, overlanding, hell right out of the gate it sits too low and needs a lift to even compete with stock competitors. Not to mention articulation is not good. Stock for stock it is the oldest truck in the market yet its priced at 50k. Save yourself money and buy the previous gen with the same 3.8. Same truck costing 10k less.

I love the way the Chevy and the taco look

I have a 2022 Jeep Gladiator Mojave and you can engage the rear locker in 4x4H. You have to put it in neutral, hit the offroad+ and make sure that traction control is turned off before you try to engage it.

This was a fantastic episode thanks TFL JEEP ❤

Well done guys, they drove the Toyota so carefully this time that it didn’t even break down, which is amazing!

This is one of the better videos you have put out in a little while. Tommy and Case made a good pair, they didn't try to talk over the other or argue. Just good delivery of the information and thoughts on each vehicle in each situation. Let Andre and Mr. Truck handle towing and payload, Tommy and Case can handle off road or other uses while Roman and Nathen sit in the office.

@mnyhomie

Ай бұрын

I'm gonna have to agree. Now that you put it like that and I think of the old videos it is a fair comment. Could be an age bias though because I'm closer to Tommy and Case. Good observation

Great comparison guys. I love to see all the trucks move through the obstacles. There's good and bad with all of them it's up to each of us to see what we can live with and without. Can't wait for the next one!

TFL! Thanks for doing this!

Off-road plus mode for the Mojave lets you do more with the 4wd system and the locker.

I really think the ABLS system in the frontier helped on the Offroad test. You can see the system engaging as you get one wheel in the air it is laggy but it’s there.

I used to own a 23 frontier pro 4x. Loved the short time i had with it. Its severely underrated.

I'm 82 and I own a Hardbody.

@LukeEdward

Ай бұрын

What’s her name?

@flight2k5

Ай бұрын

What’s your age have to do with anything?

@Redfour5

Ай бұрын

Liar. I'm 68 and mine disappeared decades ago... Oh wait, nevermind.

@JoshAllenberg

Ай бұрын

I'm hard and I own an '82 body

@volvo09

Ай бұрын

I love the original hardbody trucks. The new one nothing like the old one.

Another solid video guys! I'd love to see a "Top Dog Trim" comparison as well. You'd have to add in some everyday livability, some washboard roads as well. Stay safe yall 🤙

@TFLtruck

Ай бұрын

Great suggestion!

This was a very awesome review/test! Thanks guys!

@TFLtruck

Ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

Not sure if the new frontiers are the same but my manual trans 2015 takes about 2 seconds for the abs pump to kick in and apply the brakes to the slipping wheel. This is actually pretty nice on a manual transmission because it gives you some time and you won't get the rpm too low

Stick an accelerometer data logger on the dashboard of each car you drive on your track to get objective ride quality. $20 arduino project.

Damn that Trail Boss and Pro 4X are nice.

Excellent video guys. I can not wait for you guys to get a hold of the Tacoma Limited. I soooo want to see how the full-time 4wd manages these same tests.

Nice review. Good to see you guys doing reviews under the truck with your lifts ;)

This has to be my favorite video of all times. It was very helpful and entertaining. Now take them all to Moab! lol

@TFLtruck

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Toyota doesn't get called out for their plastic gas tank skid, but everyone else does?

@mrvwbug4423

Ай бұрын

The one on the Tacoma is thick AF, probably stronger than most metal skidplates.

@Dwealdric

Ай бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 Now that's hilarious Toyota fanboyism right there.

@remgu2000

Ай бұрын

​@Dwealdric I'm a fan boy but admit it is dumb. However most of us that will take it off road will install our own. The other 99.9% don't need it.

@khantra4568

Ай бұрын

@@remgu2000 That can be said for all the other trucks.

@Blue-moon12

Ай бұрын

​@@mrvwbug4423😂

Great job guys! Since price came up, a quick list of MSRPs for each truck at the end would be helpful. (Understanding that MSRPs are “guidelines” only.)

Not surprised by the keep at all. A tried and true 4WD system, Honda was very impressive and also impressive with the frontier not having a rear locker and getting unstuck….. sounds like if you want a hardcore off roader the gladiator is a great choice, for a commuter that’s capable Honda and if you need a standard midsize truck for a great price the frontier is your truck….. all of these look like great trucks. Just shop around and compare what you get for the prices….. great video guys!

I've been wanting a Ridgeline. Watching your tests makes me want one even more. I don't do any heavy towing or off roading, just need a small truck bed for occasionally large objects.

@BS-zg7dn

Ай бұрын

Just leased my second Ridgeline. I love it! I don't tow anything so I don't worry about big towing numbers. It is SO comfortable and a great long distance tripper. Still has all the buttons you need.

@ramjam4618

Ай бұрын

​​​@@BS-zg7dnI tow a 2500 lbs boat and haul a lot of stuff in my '21 Ridgeline and it's excellent! Get about 17 mpg while towing. Plenty of power in the V6 and with high payload rating I can tow and bring my friends along comfortably

@goldenageofdinosaurs7192

Ай бұрын

@@BS-zg7dnYeah, it looks like a great truck. The only problem I have with it is the looks. I just find it kind of awkward looking, though it probably wouldn’t keep me purchasing one if I needed a smaller truck. Edit: I will say that after watching more of the video, the looks aren’t necessarily growing on me, but aren’t as bad as I originally stated.

@DavefromCA2023

Ай бұрын

If I wasnt looking to follow my friends in their Raptors, Tacomas and 4Runners up the trail the Ridgeline would be my first choice.

@MSchumacherfan

Ай бұрын

Plastic skid plate on the Toyota lol 😂

Like you said at the end, it’ll be interesting to see all the top trims of each model go head to head!

Yea! Been waiting for this to publish.

Honda AWD has been GREAT for years! I had a 2002 CRV and navigated places in the Rockies I had no business driving in that vehicle.

Nissan hanging just fine without even the Pro4x

I’m surprised the Toyota didn’t break an axle or diff on those slip rollers 😂

@user-kx7iz6qk6b

Ай бұрын

Still last longer than your American junk 😅😅😅😂

You have made a thorough REVIEW including that underbody you shewed. I love the Honda Ridgeline because its not having option of low high 4s,but its fast to respond on the roller. That's computer working fast to make vehicles get moved when three tyres lose grip

The ford has preset options for the modes thats what you were fighting. When you select a mode it configures the truck for the mode. If you selected the mode then selected 4lo afterwards it would have worked fine, also if you would have just hit the 4lo button after it was trying to take it out of 4lo essential confirming you want to stay in 4lo it also would have worked fine.

I noticed you changed camera angles when the Tacoma was shaking the hell out of the passengers during the log run 😂

It's so cool you did more of a run of the mill and not the high-end vehicles. I was blown away with the $68k sticker price of the gladiator. I could only imagine what a Rubicon would cost. Bad enough, these "average" vehicles are so overpriced, but it's even harder to justify spending $70k plus on the higher end models As the old saying goes, those who need them (guy living in the mountains without a paved road) can't afford them, and those who can afford them, don't need them.

@chrismawson4430

Күн бұрын

The Rubicon MSRP is the same, the Rubicon really isn't a step above the Mojave, it'd be more accurate to think of them as sibling trim levels, geared towards different purposes. Also, there's brand new 2024 Gladiator Sports on the lots near me for $30k right now. Even in today's market, as it has always been, if you need something really capable, buy a sport, if you need something extremely capable, buy a sport and put your own parts into it.

This should be done on every single four-wheel drive system made on every single vehicle! Thank you for doing this!

Love the head to head testing under the same conditions!!

Correct me if I´m wrong but the Jeep has bigger tires which seems to help with this exercise

@mrvwbug4423

Ай бұрын

And it still struggled a bit more with the locker disengaged than the Tacoma. Put 33s and gnarly tires on the Taco and it would be unstoppable.

It might be arranged?! Kick ass! Tho, with double lockers all these tests are pretty much the same results I would think.

Great video, when Andre the legend turned up it was like the dad showing up lol. But that's not to take away from the testing, they did a great thorough job!

Nice tests. A lot of hard work goes into making this kind of video. Thank you. Jeep did well. I love the Toyota but they've always had difficulty shifting between modes. I suspect they are finicky for reliability sake. Unless conditions are perfect, they don't want to mechanically force the engagement.

Tacoma is overpriced by nearly 10k, and I say that as a Toyota enthusiast. They moved manufacturing to Mexico, but didn’t pass any of those savings to the consumer. You get waay more for the money with the competition. With turbo engine and exploding diff, they can’t claim QDR anymore.

@chandleredwards

Ай бұрын

Agreed. Reliability of the turbo will undoubtedly be compromised to some degree and with the snails pace reputation of Toyota to change...

@lgbnz

Ай бұрын

i'm sure build quality of toyota will still be top notch in the class. but an exploding diff is unforgivable

What is really surprising is the fact that the Bronco Sport did performed very well in this test while the Ranger was struggling!

For $68k, I’d get an old Taco and put some money into it and a new Camry for a daily driver… and probably come out with a bunch of money left over.

Yep I really like my Chevy Colorado G80 locker. No need to manually engage it.

@MrCherrygrovedude

Ай бұрын

They are made of glass. There’s a reason people get rid of them all the time for selectable lockers or better auto lockers.

@plmn93

Ай бұрын

Also known as the Grenade 80. Like the Honda VTM, it works well if you baby it.

@busslayer4790

Ай бұрын

It looks like it works ok in situations where you are able to use a lot of throttle. I do a lot of off roading where that much throttle would be suicidal.

@Dusdaddy

Ай бұрын

They are fine for most but not made well enough for serious off-road. There is a huge advantage to locking up the rear end before you hit the obstacle. Waiting until there is slippage is sometimes too late to help.

@elche1976

Ай бұрын

​@@MrCherrygrovedudeif you don't know what you're doing, possibly true.

Not surprised by the results of the ridgeline. Your Honda ridgeline video from a few years ago is why I got my 2024 ridgeline. I don’t leave the pavement. My last truck was a 04 Ranger RWD. Flipped it on ice 330 in the morning. Wanted a full time AWD that was always active, without my input, at any speed, for those unpredictable moments. Technically speaking I-VTM4 Can send 70% power to rear wheels and 100% of that 70% to each wheel. And just a rule of thumb for all the manufacturers, they should study Kia/hyundai features and screening. They have shit reliability and yet are some of the fastest selling cars. I leased an ioniq and its instrument cluster and menu system were significantly more intuitive.

@plmn93

Ай бұрын

Yeah, VTM does a great job in tests like this and in light off roading. It will work well for most people. However it will also overheat and wear out faster if used hard, which is why traditional trucks don't use those kind of systems. Which is best depends on what you need. I don't know about Hyundai/Kia controls, when we were looking at SUVs I really didn't like all the screens very much. I prefer no screen controls at all for basic functions. People still think that screens are a sign of high tech and luxury, but in reality it's cheaper and easier to program a Chinese touch panel than it is to design and manufacture physical gauges and controls.

@philoakley221

Ай бұрын

Kia is the highest ranking mass sales vehicle brand for the past three years in the JD Power Vehicle Reliability Study.

@2-1inffwa97

Ай бұрын

Are you saying because your ranger was not awd or 4wd you flipped on ice ?

@Redfour5

Ай бұрын

I was a Subaru guy and they have an amazing 4WD system particularly in manual (Old School). But in doing research, I was amazed at how sophisticated the Ridgeline system was. It almost "thinks" about what it is doing and is equal to any Subaru and better in some respects. And you can haul stuff in it.

@plmn93

Ай бұрын

@@Redfour5 Yes but the difference is that the Subaru's simpler system is always sending power to the rear so there is immediate traction in an emergency maneuver. Which is one of the main reasons to have AWD in a car and why Subaru touts the safety of their cars. Where as Honda's VTM is more for traction when pulling away from a stoplight or light off roading. It disengages above I believe 18 MPH. Each system has its pros and cons.

This is the one I’ve been waiting for.

This is awesome love these slip tests

I just bought the 2024 Trail Sport Ridgeline- my 3rd Honda, perfect midsize truck on the market

That G80 is better than folks give it credit for

I'd like to see a FWD truck slip test. Ridgeline up against the Santa Cruz and Maverick Tremor

@plmn93

Ай бұрын

Ridgeline and Maverick Tremor should be similar as both have torque-vectoring clutch packs.

@hakz1nunke

Ай бұрын

@@plmn93 should be, but that's all electronically controlled so how the two companies choose to engage those systems will make a big difference, similar to what we see I'm this video

@plmn93

Ай бұрын

@@hakz1nunke Truck King did a mud test between the Ridgeline and Tremor a couple weeks ago. I'd link it but links seem to always get my posts deleted, so you'll need to search for it. They are both capable and more limited by ground clearance than the AWD systems.

@BenV2e2n

Ай бұрын

But the Ford did a better job!

@jg8263

Ай бұрын

Honda is only AWD now (yes FWD biased) they stopped offering a FWD only option in I believe 2019.

I love how the ridge line was driven slowest down the logs since i can tell was the worst ride going down 😂

and this is why you guys are the best car channel in youtube... keep it up

Mud and ruts modes in all brands have always traditionally only been available in 4hi. The strategy for this is to ensure higher wheel speed and less traction control intervention to shed mud from the tires. A better traction mode for low or uneven traction surfaces would have been the snow and ice or slippery mode. That being said, the previous Gen Ranger didn't have traction modes, only sport mode. If memory serves, that version ate this test alive. It does seem like the traction control tuning is undercooked on this new gen, as the last Gen had it as one of it's strengths.

Good test enjoyed the reason to have these vehicles. Thank you 😊

@TFLtruck

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Another outstanding review 😊

On any Lexus or Toyota, when changing from 4 HI to 4LO or visa versa turn the wheel side to side to help disengage or engage while in neutral. This also helps with the center differential lock.

@billw8476

Ай бұрын

i am surprised the toyota even made it over that lil bumper without exploding the front end, since they are built so weak and cheap.

@CodyLeslie

Ай бұрын

@@billw8476now you are just embarrassing yourself. Be gone, troll.

@user-do9ir8lv2m

Ай бұрын

@@billw8476 yeah okay troll

@user-do9ir8lv2m

Ай бұрын

@@billw8476 you are clueless

@user-do9ir8lv2m

Ай бұрын

@@billw8476 they are NOT built weak and cheap

This was great information. But we really need to see a true off road comparison. Ever since the Toyota front axle failed we have not seen that truck in a true off road setting.

Awesome video!

Tommy is the best. Affable, positive, no nonsense, knowledgeable. His vids are my favorites on the TFL channels. Is Case a new addition to the channel? Also very good.

Why no roller test with the Colorado in 4Auto? I was genuinely looking forward to that

@mrvwbug4423

Ай бұрын

result would be the same

I would absolutely NOT trust the front differential in that Tacoma after it blew up on you guys a couple months ago.

@jeremyjohnson6438

Ай бұрын

Same thing in 4runner and Landcruiser now that they are all the same thing.

@chibbyylol

Ай бұрын

@@jeremyjohnson6438 assembled in mexico (tacoma) definitely not equal to assembled in japan (gx, land cruiser, 4runner) lol

@jeremyjohnson6438

Ай бұрын

That's a good point. But, Toyota said the part in the front diff did what it was designed to do. It was designed to fail in "extreme conditions". It wasn't a failure of assembly, it was by design.

@alexandersheppard1997

Ай бұрын

@@jeremyjohnson6438 what TFL was doing when it failed was hardly extreme. If that’s all it takes, Toyota dealers are going to have a lot of warranty work in the near future.

@jeremyjohnson6438

Ай бұрын

​@alexandersheppard1997 I know, I totally agree. Hopefully they already have that part already updated on the assembly line

I like the simplicity of the solid axle in the Mojave. And the suspension is a plus

What's impressive is when the subarus pass the same roller tests with no issues as well. And at quite a bit cheaper entry price as well.

Mud and ruts in the Ford is made to allow tire spin so a bad choice on the slip test

@Jay-me7gw

Ай бұрын

No kidding. The fact that it forces 4H should have been a clue to that. Its meant to give you tire spin to clear the treads.

The Toyota T-case struggle is real, but who cares when Blazie is there?!

@somecarnet

Ай бұрын

I swear this is a thing with all Toyota's that have a manual selectable 4wd system. The only ones that don't struggle between low and high are the limited trims with a Torsen diff. My T4R, even with the "J" manual 4x4 stick, will take a while to get into and out of 4lo.

@bluceree7312

Ай бұрын

Wasn't the Ineos having issues too?

@user-do9ir8lv2m

Ай бұрын

umm there is no struggle

@krashnpa

Ай бұрын

@user-do9ir8lv2m so denial isn't just a river in Egypt, after all! Thanks for confirming! 👍

@RJ-vc2ju

Ай бұрын

@@somecarnet No, the ones with a mechanical transfer case shifter (the lever) have no delay in engaging. Once the shifter has slid into position, it's in 4Hi or 4Lo. What does take time is the system's electronic (wheel speed based) display. The electronic selector for the rear mechanical locker is not a direct mechanical connection and requires synchronization of rear diff and axles, which is why it helps to turn (and roll forward slowly) when trying to lock your rear diff. Even after it's engage and locked, Toyota will still verify with wheel speed differential numbers to confirm that it is locked and only then does it stop the flashing icon. There are a few other manufacturers that have the same approach.

Nissan is a very underrated truck for sure. And for the price difference between it and the Toyota you get much more truck for your money.

One thing I would absolutely love to see is a comparison between the trail hunter and the TRD pro Tacoma side-by-side with very similar testing. That way we could really see what side which Tacoma is best at.

@mrvwbug4423

Ай бұрын

I suspect you'd be splitting hairs at rock crawling speeds. The Fox shocks of the Pro are more for pre-running than rock crawling. The Pro is going to be the "buy to flip and don't drive" just like the last one, the trailhunter will be "buy to overland" and the TRD off road will be the "buy to use as a daily driver". Most TRD Pro buyers of the prior gen were buying to flip em.

Why didn't you run the Nissan Frontier Pro-4x? Despite what you said, it is the model that is actually the same price or lower than the Gladiator, TRD-Off Road, Ridgeline and Trail Boss? The Pro-4x is really capable with the locker and Bilstiens. Running some Wildpeak AT4's on it and it just chews up terrain.

@mrvwbug4423

Ай бұрын

Because the non pro-4X is the truck Nissan provided.

@Blue-moon12

Ай бұрын

​@@mrvwbug4423I think it's because it's the newest Frontier. They are all 2024s

Frontier Pro4x has Better skid plates than any of these trucks

Great video. Love. You are missing the Rivian. Good to compare diferent systems available.

With all the electronic assistance, the automated systems seem to be as good as a locker. The problem is with limited traction terrain. The roller test is neat, but you don't have dry pavement off road. In many cases, you lose movement as soon as you break traction. If you spin a tire in soft ground, you dig a hole and get more stuck. That's why I prefer a mechanical locker and a solid transfer case. Prevent wheelspin before it happens. The automatic stuff is great for people who can't figure out the transfer case, but I don't need six different computer settings for dirt.

Tacoma all the way

@ryanb8736

6 күн бұрын

As long as it doesn’t break.

Test driving the Toyota convinced me to buy the Ridgeline almost as much as driving the Ridgeline did.

@billricheter5678

Ай бұрын

Ridgeline is a better option for 99 percent of the population.

@mrvwbug4423

Ай бұрын

have fun with the ZF 9 speed. They usually blow up between 30k-50k miles.