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@MagnusGalactusOG

15 күн бұрын

Atheism is a religion of haters.

@ZER0--

15 күн бұрын

Isn't "new atheism" a bit old now?

@lawrencefrost9063

15 күн бұрын

I love you guys, I know you are smart, esp Konstatin. I know he loves Hitchens. But come.... the fuck on! I have to share. Just wanted to share some thoughts I've been mulling over lately. You know, I've been diving into the works of Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, and Hirsi Ali for a while now, and they've really made me think. But here's the thing: as much as their ideas spoke to me before, it feels like the world keeps spinning, and our perspectives with it, right? I'm not throwing shade on their insights, not at all. It's just that sometimes, you look around, and it's like seeing everything through a new lens. And that's pretty cool, isn't it? We gotta stay open to new ideas, keep evolving, keep updating how we see things based on what's going down around us. So, yeah, just a little reminder to myself and anyone else who's on this journey of learning and growing: stay open-minded, stay curious, and keep questioning things. Who knows what fresh perspectives we might stumble upon next? Konstantin is not gonna listen so why would I care about this comment? Really? If he does here is my point: Did you forget what you listened? The legion of points Hitchens made against Religion? You forgot all of them?? It feels like he is an atheist who hates to be one and he would do anything to make religion real. Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself.

@andrewcbartlett

15 күн бұрын

More homework needed on what Christopher Hitchins said especially in his debates with religious academics, all here on youtube.

@gavaniacono

15 күн бұрын

​@@lawrencefrost9063hirsi ali is now a christian. She arrived there, I think, via an appreciation of western values and democratic societies.

It's interesting how the push to introduce intelligent design into classrooms in the UK was rejected in the 90s, and yet trans ideology has been mainstreamed in schools with no discussion whatsoever.

@graemebuchan8142

15 күн бұрын

Is that true?

@Noplayster13

15 күн бұрын

Atheists found a religion that they liked, so it was accepted without discussion. Thats all.

@mikeallan7740

15 күн бұрын

They're both awful.

@helenespaulding7562

15 күн бұрын

@@graemebuchan8142yes

@markfrancis5164

15 күн бұрын

If only it was funny…

2002: "If we get rid of Religion, Society will be so much more Rational." 2024: "Pregnant men"

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

No Sequitur any one. One, we haven't got rid of religion, billions of people still believe. And how many people think men can get pregnant ? No, sorry, religion, does provide reason, rational or understanding. I mean the religious believe in a supernatural being, that in any other context, would have you put in a institution. Fail.

@geraldheinig1473

11 күн бұрын

Indeed. Very good point. Another one is: USSR 1960: The West will collapse under its own religious contradictions, the atheist USSR will thrive. USSR 1989: Uhm, that's it folks, we're done...

@grandmagrace9453

11 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@thebaronharkanon2236

11 күн бұрын

correlation and causation?

@Alexander_Kale

10 күн бұрын

The people who say that tend to be christian.....

First, you're assuming that the "woke" are atheists. You're discounting that the religious could also be "woke". In other words, you're advocating for religion so that the woke are curtailed, forgetting that both "wokism" and "religiosity" is a lack of critical thinking. Both are on the same side of the seesaw, whereas critical thinking is on the opposite side.

@scproinc

14 күн бұрын

KK's hate for wokeness made him endorse the syllogistic nonsense of the alt-right. What a shame.

@nikokapanen82

5 күн бұрын

There are scientists at the highest level who are followers of Christ. Religion might be different things but following Christ is the most sanest.

I’m atheist, I don’t have the void you speak of.

@nickwilson5075

7 күн бұрын

Me neither. There's so much mystery in the universe to be deciphered, beauty in nature to be discovered, love in friends and family to be enjoyed. There's no space or time for a void.

@peterbassey9668

6 күн бұрын

You will realise it one day.

@Hrochnick

6 күн бұрын

@@peterbassey9668 No, I really don't think so. So much to learn, so much to do; no time or need for imaginary friends.

@joyfrimpong2213

4 күн бұрын

@@Hrochnick Please. Define evil.

@Hrochnick

4 күн бұрын

@@joyfrimpong2213 Why? Are you trying to get me to use the word "moral" or "morality" so that you can say something like "how can you know what's moral, or not, what's evil or not, without a god etc. etc" Well, forget it. I don't need a book to tell me how to behave, a book which also tells me how I can keep slaves, how I should keep women seperate and below me. A book that describes an angry and jealous god that has no problem killing, or harming people for fun. I'm better than that, I'm better than your god as I know that these things are not acceptable. I don't need to be told.

I am a devout Christian, but Monty Python and the Life of Brian is probably the funniest movie ever made.

@dayamitrasaraswati6276

15 күн бұрын

I do believe God has a sense of humor. He made man after all.🤣

@johnl5316

15 күн бұрын

"but"?

@loreman7267

15 күн бұрын

Yes! It's hysterical! And don't forget Loretta!

@arao8334

15 күн бұрын

And keep my baby in a box. Lol

@joaoduarte7682

15 күн бұрын

I am christian, too, and this movie is a masterpiece.

You can be an atheist whilst also believing that Christianity is a social good. Believing in the latter does not mean you aren’t an atheist.

@SaintKimbo

15 күн бұрын

The problem is that the Theists have been pulling off a successful propaganda campaign, deeming Atheists as the source of moral decay, since day one. Now that society is, seemingly, sinking into a moral cesspit, it's being trotted out again. Every comments section describing some form of debauchery or political shenanigans, has always got a Guy spouting off bible verses, or lamenting the decline of Christian values, i'e., blaming it on non believers. It's unfortunate that Kisin seems to have fallen for that line.

@Zerradable

15 күн бұрын

Exactly. I call myself a practicant non-christian.

@mattg3789

15 күн бұрын

Exactly. Atheism is not a social problem. The atheist with bad ideas and lack of morality is a problem.

@quaternio

15 күн бұрын

I welcome my Christian peers in creating the good in the world. As long as they don’t pretend Jesus is going to fix it all any day now, we are good.

@Alexander_Kale

15 күн бұрын

True, but being an Atheist would mean you think said religion is factually incorrect. Deriving comfort from a lie, no matter how sweet, simply does not sound appealing to a lot of people. And yes, there are a lot of people who DO derive comfort from sweet lies, but why can't we all strive for a world where we derive the same comfort from things that are actually true instead? Why does a religion need to contain a nonexisting god? why not create a religion, a moral codex, a guide for a good life, in short, a holy book WITHOUT a god?

KK argues that an atheistic, human created set of values is inferior to a religious created set of values. Does he not understand that all religions were created by humans? There are many claims of divine revelation, but no proofs. There are many religions, each with their own set of values. An atheist's humanist set of values is merely one more to add to the pile. Must we take the good with the bad? Why can't we select the good stuff and leave the icky stuff on the pile?

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

Humanism is simply heretical Christianity, and if you can’t see that you are foolish as BHA ‘intellectuals’ all are. The West was created by Greek thought and the Jewish Bible. Everything you think, all your actions, are born out of this. What is ‘good’ is invariably Christian. To demonstrate this, go and live in Tehran.

@chrissonofpear1384

13 күн бұрын

@@dominionphilosophy3698 Ooh, possibly... go and ask Hypatia that. Post mob. Or some of Luther's victims of rhetoric. Or, of Gregory XIII. And the whole extended Curse of Ham... and slavery, apologetics. Because the fruit is often, rather mixed. And other things, off the chain. In a past Europe that often had more wars than it ever had prior, too. And humanism also generally, has no place - for Romans 9:21.

@paulyd786

7 күн бұрын

"There are many claims of divine revelation, but no proofs." Really? Have you not read Isaac Newton's detailed examination of the divine revelation given to Daniel in (Daniel 9) which precisely predicted the timing of the Messiah's advent and the events surrounding it many hundreds of years in advance? Have you examined the many, many, many detailed and astounding prophetic revelations in typology and plain language about what the coming Messiah would do and be that are intricately woven throughout the Old Testament? Have you not read the divine revelation (Rev 13) related by the fisherman: John, friend of Jesus, who 2000 years ago revealed the characteristics of the end-time world government, its system of control, economic system and hatred of God that ANY awake person can see is being assembled before our eyes?

@glennmitchell9107

7 күн бұрын

@@paulyd786 None of these are proofs. Isaac Newton was a nut. Is Christian revelation the only revelation?

@paulyd786

7 күн бұрын

@@glennmitchell9107 Lols do you think I want to debate random Internet guy that thinks ISAAC NEWTON was a "nut", but they're some kind of genius? Nope.

I've been atheist (not AN atheist) for about 30 years now. It's apparent that people, collectively, need someone to tell them what to do and how to behave. It's human nature. Religion does just that. Unfortunately it also does a lot more, but to remove religion from the masses just leaves them vulnerable to anything else that justifies their existence.

@charlesdarwin5185

11 күн бұрын

Outsource fear, greed, uncertainty and mortality to God. Weaponize it to conquer, pillage, and exploit for resource gain

@ianlassitter2397

11 күн бұрын

Where we remove the concept of a god in society we replaced it either with hedonism and/or authoritarian government. Then destruction of a god concept, leads to the next move to dismantle families… the only two structures that prevent governments from reaching into peoples lives and requiring 100% compliance through authoritarianism.

@konyvnyelv.

11 күн бұрын

We could just stop believing in masses and treat everyone as adults and individuals. Religion makes people animals

@ERH-ph5gb

10 күн бұрын

I agree. We as humans seek for coping with the very fact of our mortality. “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.” ― G.K. Chesterton Being in doubt of God is rational. That is why it is called a belief. How ever the individual describes "God" in his inner world, it is nothing to mess around with. Religion offers a super structure towards what human beings wrestle with. Belief is unfairly called "just a belief" but it is so much more than that. "Believers" are called "lazy of intellect" and I find that is more true for those who ridicule reflection, contemplation about the given rules, checking ones ego with other religious people as "mere belief", while it is indeed effort and a never ending process of dealing with ones own faults and errors.

@charlesdarwin5185

10 күн бұрын

@@ERH-ph5gb Vivekananda: it is better for mankind to be atheist than believe upon the authority of anybody. Voltaire: If God did not exist it would be necessary to create one Who is Chesterton?

If I were an atheist, I would be greatly dismayed to see that all the fanaticism and idiocy I thought would go away with the decline of traditional religions, instead simply manifested itself into different forms.

@svr5423

15 күн бұрын

Nevertheless, we objectively live in a much better world now, after we destroyed the influence of religion in the West to a great extent. Other cultures in the world are not (yet) so lucky.

@Noplayster13

15 күн бұрын

And in vastly less rational fashion.

@mikeallan7740

15 күн бұрын

It's not religion in particular that's the source of fanaticism and idiocy it's ideology in general, communists for example are just as delusional as fundamentalists.

@Ragnarok6664

15 күн бұрын

@@svr5423fantasy

@maynard04

15 күн бұрын

What does atheism have to do with it? I think you mean political ideology.

As a non-believer though, how do you "trick" yourself into believing things that aren't supported by evidence? I'm not sure I understand what the solution being proposed here is.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

This is no solution. But there are enemies. Atheism is an enemy of others West and those who espouse it are enemies of the West. The West was created by Christianity and Greek thought. End of.

@ethanmoon3925

11 күн бұрын

There's plenty of evidence. You've probably only listened to sources from an anti- religious perspective. Preserved soft tissue in dinosaur bones can't be millions of years old. Fossils that cross multiple rock layers such as the petrified trees show that the rock layers were laid down back to back, not millions of years apart. A global flood such as in the Bible would collapse the geological timeline. Just off the top of my head. If you start with the assumption the Bible can't be true, you'll see evidence that it's wrong, and if you start with the assumption that it's true there's tons of evidence for that too. But, you asked a personal question, so here's a more personal answer. No, don't fake it. But if you actually are open to the possibility, you could pray: "God, if you're real, I want to believe in you, but I'm gonna need some help. Please show up in my life. It's really hard to believe from where I'm sitting, so please give me a hand here."

@daniel_brqlo

10 күн бұрын

I think this video basically boils down to "we shoudn't incentivize lack of religion, because the alternative is worse". It makes sense at a populational level, but not in the individual level.

@chrislejuez

10 күн бұрын

@@daniel_brqlo thank you that makes it much clearer. I think I’d hesitate to take that approach until we’ve actually tried to teach people empirical thinking. I see every day that this is endemic even within non-believing circles. Without that skill, people will always be susceptible to believing all sorts of unsubstantiated theories.

@user-uf4rx5ih3v

10 күн бұрын

@@daniel_brqlo The problem is that society is made of individuals not a collective hivemind. Moreover, what exactly are we incentivizing here? Are we saying, well you can believe whatever you want because that's you religious belief. Well, you can then start believing that a man can give birth. You can also believe that killing someone you don't like is fine because they are not part of your religion.

*The best Christians are sometimes atheists:* How the line between religion and atheism is thinner than you think, how the line between comedy and religion, is thinner than you think: In 1980 I knew an 80 year old British man who faithfully went to the same church for 40 years. He was cremated, his remains are in the church garden under a rose bush now. One day I asked Lawrence about his faith in God. He said, "Oh, I thought you knew. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God. I go to church because I just like the people, I like the teaching in the church. Good people" I think of him still from time to time now, remembering him as the best Christian I ever met.... Long ago I had a strange thought: Christopher Hitchens, had he gone into the church, Hitchens might have been one of the best Popes we ever had. Instead he bought into The Atheist Delusion. Sam Harris has an admirable intellect. He might have made a fine Cardinal in the Church. Both KK & FF had potential for career advancement if they took up the collar. I think a stain glass window on the Triggernometry set, would not look out of place. Bill Hicks and George Carlin were funny because their humor assumed and accepted a set of moral propositions about reality, which come out of religion. Their humor came out of a realization of the failure of people, to live up to the ideals they accepted. People who did not share their morals would not think both men funny. KK & FF accepted those same moral precepts that motivated Hicks and Carlin. Comedy is about morality, or it's not funny. Comics are priests that think too much, feel too little. The line between religion and comedy is thinner than people think. Again, a Stain Glass Window behind the two, would not be inappropriate. Lawrence knew that. In the same general sense, once you start to look into the Bible and you know a bit about evolution, the line between the wisdom in the Bible and the lessons of evolution, that line is a lot thinner than you might think. For instance Genesis 3:16 reads to me like an evolutionary deal between the sexes. Other people read it as a religious ideal encoded in religion, by men seeking God. I see that verse, as both....atheistic science coming together with religious faith. I see both as true, in a way I don't understand. There is a line between belief and non-belief. That line is a lot thinner, than people imagine it to be.

Listening to this piece, Konstantin makes me think you haven’t been following the atheist religious debate over the centuries. All of these questions have been answered.

@agingerbeard

14 күн бұрын

He's too busy coo-ing in Jordan Peterson's lap atm 😂😂😂

@IssacharGR

9 күн бұрын

You sound like an atheist zealot - lost in cynicism. Your cynical spirit prevents you from hearing what this man has said

The main issue is dogmatism.

@notreallydavid

15 күн бұрын

It is. And this takes care of 'Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot were atheists' arguments.

@Wise__guy

14 күн бұрын

@@notreallydavidHitler was a Christian

@Nodux359

13 күн бұрын

@@notreallydavid Hitler was catholic, never thrown out of the Church. But Goebbels married a divorced protestant - > "Let´s get rid of this heretic!"

@teep-yt

12 күн бұрын

Do you think dogmatism across the board is wrong? Are there issues with the dogmatic principles of human rights that secular societies have to appeal to? Stalin and the others just had a different set of dogmatic principles than the West did, and we paint them as wrong despite having no real religio-moral framework to justify our condemnation of their dogma.

@notreallydavid

12 күн бұрын

@@teep-yt Hi. For all their faults, the western democracies permit dissent and don't engage in rule by terror, mass deportations, engineered famines and executions of supposed political enemies. Nor do they vet artworks of every kind and even scientific findings to ensure that they conformed to the prevailing political orthodoxy. Whether secular or religious in temper, totalitarian societies place humanity on a Procrustean bed and stretch or hack it to make it the right size. Open societies don't do this.

Hitchens Razor, “ what can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence “

@travtotheworld

15 күн бұрын

And yet the man was a committed socialist. When pressed on the lack of any evidence for the effectiveness of socialism and confronted with the mountains of evidence to the contrary, the only rebuttal he could ever muster was "that wasn't real socialism." Hitchens was a complete fraud.

@pie-eatingant6432

15 күн бұрын

What is the evidence that one should believe Hitchen’s Razor? 😅

@476429

15 күн бұрын

The question is, what counts as evidence. When speaking on scientific questions, the answer is pretty simple. When speaking on philosophical and/or metaphysical matters, pure scientism may not be the best option. I've taught a class in response to each of the New Atheists and the God Delusion was perhaps the weakest among them. Much better arguments have been made for atheism. Hitchens was not particularly compelling or strong.

@robertjsmith

15 күн бұрын

@@476429 as Huang Po said. The foolish reject what they see,not what they think. The wise reject what they think,not what they see.

@Alexander_Kale

15 күн бұрын

@@pie-eatingant6432 That's not how razors work. You don't believe in them. you either use them or not.

I think video is conflating non-religious with the “woke cult”. There are plenty of people who were into the new atheism movement and were disillusioned by the wokeness creeping in, but that doesn’t discredit it. I do agree that there is a lack of purpose in the west, but that doesn’t mean it has to be filled with religion for everyone. My family is bigger than me, my community is bigger than me, there are plenty of things bigger than me which I acknowledge, but an invisible god isn’t one of them. That gives me purpose.

@frankylampard3931

11 күн бұрын

It was a hell of a leap in this video to suggest that Harris/ Dawkins had any impact in the woke stuff , especially when they both renounce it themselves. Seems like conflating 2 very different issues imo

@ESS284

10 күн бұрын

​@@frankylampard3931 you could argue they set the stage for the leftist elite to deny and shape reality because we have no religious convictions to fall back on .

@daniel_brqlo

10 күн бұрын

@@frankylampard3931 Yep. if I had to absolutelly choose between Woke and Christiany, id'd choose the latter. But the ideal scenario would be neither.

@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexi

10 күн бұрын

This evil man HATES RUssia Hates christians and pretends to be pro british YOU westerners are just plain stupid It is SOOOO easy to fool you he is a zelesnky, a soros and weinstein and epstein rolled into one

@raff9219

10 күн бұрын

you don't need to be woke in 2024 to be an atheist, but you MUST be an atheist to be woke in 2024

The answer is to push for critical thinking. Critical thinking would cut through both the old religions and the new.

@txdmsk

13 күн бұрын

Sure. That's what I used to think, when I was maybe 20. But once you learn more about human cognition, you'll understand that training people in thinking would result in very moderate success. Maybe just a few percent of people who already weren't critical thinkers due to their own growth and efforts could be "converted" to critical thinkers. Humans are not rational creatures. They view the world through very faulty biases, heuristics. The brain itself is not a logical organ. The brain can hold A and not A true at the same time without any issues.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

Oh dear, you have learnt nothing from the last 25 years have you. Sad. Enjoy your life, matey.

@orangcurl

13 күн бұрын

Not everyone believes in critical thinking.

@whitneyjacobs7874

12 күн бұрын

Criticism (including critical thinking) is a destructive force, not a creative one. It can destroy falsehoods but it cannot generate systems or provide meaning. And those things seem to be necessary to human flourishing.

@Beniah107

12 күн бұрын

Judging by the dissenters, I’d say the need for critical thinking is absolute. There is no sign of critical thinking in many of these dogma reinforced comments.

I wish you wouldn't use that zoom effect on your video. I understand this effect is used to keep people from getting bored of watching a static scene, but it's annoying.

No single ideology is ever the problem. It only becomes problematic, if your ideology becomes the single most important part of your personality. This counts for religion, climate change protests, gender/sexuality and everything else.

@kev3d

15 күн бұрын

"No single ideology is ever the problem." I'm pretty sure Nazism and Communism qualify. Even "part time" adherents are far more destructive than, say a full time follower of Stoicism or some form of Classical Liberalism for example.

@Annatar_Lord_of_Gifts

15 күн бұрын

Which in most cases, it is.

@theinngu5560

15 күн бұрын

Most ideologies require blind belief….all the theistic religions require a blind belief in a deity who has never been seen and promise things after death of which no one has come back to prove. Better to take as a leader one who tells you not to believe him or other teachers without first testing out what he suggests and only following it if it is beneficial and leads to greater levels of peace than one had previously. At worst blind beliefs are very dangerous.

@theinngu5560

15 күн бұрын

Cause and effect are the modus operandi in the world, not the whims of an unseen deity who, if all powerful, all compassionate and omniscient, would need to be questioned as to why he created ill, poor, stupid people who have different views and fight about them causing themselves untold misery.

@gravitheist5431

15 күн бұрын

Very true , I see it as narcissistically motivated

"If God exists, I want him to tell me himself. I don't want to hear it from anybody else - and in case you're wondering, that includes you." - Pat Condell -

@AlrightDave

13 күн бұрын

God exists and He loves you. - me (a human) -

@tommyvictorbuch6960

13 күн бұрын

@@AlrightDave what didn't you understand?

@AlrightDave

13 күн бұрын

@@tommyvictorbuch6960 oh I understood, but your quote sounds like an appeal to restricting freedom of speech. Maybe you didn't realise that?

@AlrightDave

13 күн бұрын

@@tommyvictorbuch6960 btw, your freedom of speech comes from Christian ideals.

@tommyvictorbuch6960

13 күн бұрын

@@AlrightDave only a moron would understand it like that. Take your god and shove him.

Atheism doesn't claim to substitute for a system of belief. Atheism is disbelief, nothing more. As for truth, purpose, and other matters that may puzzle the average individual, that is another matter. The absence of religion in the lives of individuals in secular society ought not to be such a difficult problem, but for too many, it is. It requires deep introspective thought, and it seems that that is too much to expect of modern Western citizens.

@AWT8900

14 күн бұрын

Atheism is disbelief, which has the requirements of faith to hold such a view. It can't be proved beyond reasonable doubt, as with a theist faith position....just saying both positions are not water-tight and that is a good thing.

@svr5423

14 күн бұрын

@@AWT8900 that's not how it works. You don't require faith to be rooted in the scientific principle. You don't prove that something is not, you only prove that something is. So the thousands of fictional gods in mankind's lore simply do not exist until somebody proves otherwise.

@bostansell

14 күн бұрын

@@AWT8900 It doesn't though. Atheism is a belief in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby. It is nothing. To an atheist, the term "atheism" shouldn't NEED to exist. It's the default state or the null hypothesis. The onus is on the person making the positive claim, e.g. God exists.

@keinegotter573

14 күн бұрын

​@AWT8900 As the others above said-- it requires no faith to lack belief. Just because someone mentions some type of god to me does not mean I have now acquired some type of faith when I'm not convinced.

@txdmsk

13 күн бұрын

Some people arrive to atheism through deep thinking, others just want to make their parents miserable or look cool and feel special or, in fact, get indoctrinated into it via communist regimes (that are a religion of their own), etc. But some people argue, probably correctly, that if you remove organized theism from society (specifically, the mongrelized, tame versions of christianities from western countries), then other ideologies will take their place, such as feminism, communism, LGBTQIAXYZ+-! alphabet soup religion, immigrant dcksucking, and so on. And also, you will lose the community, mental health and other beneficial aspects of religion.

He completely skirts that Nordic societies have been largely atheist for decades before any wokism manifested there. Wokism is the effluent of America on the Anglo world, not lack of religion per se.

@imimpo9316

15 күн бұрын

atheism in nordic societies rose in the 60s 70s at the very same time they did become quite woke. The whole woeness gay-trans-womens rights stuff originated there right at the same time as many of them sadly lost their connection to God

@mundolioknows6447

15 күн бұрын

They're secular countries, not atheist. Woke culture was magnified, reinforced and exported en masse from the US.

@alan.smitheeee

15 күн бұрын

The atheism of nordic societies is still a pretty recent thing.

@mundolioknows6447

14 күн бұрын

@@alan.smitheeee no more than other western countries.

@dungcheeseMORK999

14 күн бұрын

Yes, but the Nordic countries have always been progressive in nature, so wokeness thrives there better and would have been easier to adopt into society.

From my experience, the wokest people are not atheist though... they're spiritists who believe in souls and reincarnation

@sempersuffragium9951

14 күн бұрын

Because it's a new, ill-thought-out religion

@AlrightDave

14 күн бұрын

On the contrary, spiritists and new age beliefs are rehashed ancient paganism.

@sir_john_hammond

14 күн бұрын

The problem is you can't quantify such a connection, I've never personally seen it. Also what you count as "woke" may not be what other people do.

@sempersuffragium9951

13 күн бұрын

@@sir_john_hammond Here's a way to quantify it - it is generally accepted, that one of the colours in the pride flag stands for magic

@AlrightDave

13 күн бұрын

@@sempersuffragium9951 that's interesting

Don't forget that the religion you get is not necessary the religion you wished for. What could be worse and more difficult to counter than evil backed up by globally accepted religious dogma?

@intello8953

12 күн бұрын

So basically you’re saying “I wished to have a religion that’s more weak, hippieish, forgive everyone and more in line with western secular liberal values” right?

@Hemebean

12 күн бұрын

@@intello8953 No. I do not wish for any religion at all, unless it is possible to demonstrate that any one of the 4000 or so recognized religions is not a delusion, unlike the 3999 others that we presumably could agree are... right?

@intello8953

12 күн бұрын

@@Hemebean but you literally are saying “the religion you get is not necessary the religion you wishes for” so I’m wondering from you guys that might wish a religion what does religion need to have to be true?

@Hemebean

12 күн бұрын

@@intello8953 For a religion to be true? It would simply have to have empirical evidence. Humans have a problem in this respect, throughout history we have invented thousands of gods, spirits, mythical creatures etc. and people have dedicated their lives to these imaginary entities. We simply can't rely on hearsay or ancient books. Ask yourself, if a god wishes to be acknowledged why does he not simply present himself ?

@intello8953

12 күн бұрын

@@Hemebean well maybe it’s all made up but personally this whole creation wasn’t by “accident” and everything else is literally pure randomness that’s for sure. But like Konstantin said even without religion or belief in the supernatural we humans will still invent or identify with any ideology and sometimes those ideologies *most of the time are secular liberal in nature* don’t care about humanity or objective morality it’s just me me me me and everything being materialistic

That last line: "religious people have the answer... Do we?" Is terrible. Religious people do not have THE answer. They contradict each other, oppose each other and fight each other. The same problems exist regardless of atheism. To pin the entire hopes of humankind on 4 men to deliver us from the hypocrisy and destructive nature of religion is where you went wrong. Between them they've laid out THEIR opinions and thoughts. It's not a dogma. It's literally the opposite. They, and atheism is general, aim to free us from religious shackles, what we do after that is up to us.

@demonking86420

14 күн бұрын

He said "their answer" not "the answer"

@kant.68

14 күн бұрын

Religions DO NOT contradict each other. That’s completely false, they disagree in fundamental aspects of their most “philosophical” aspects of their ideology. Why? Because of the implications they have in the religion itself. And because the people ruling this institutions must justify certain practices and beliefs. “Aim to free us from religious shackles” free you?! Free?! 😂 your new God is THE STATE my friend, and now more and more , the marriage between the state and corporations. What freedom?! 😂 In 50 years, when our society is gonna be a genderless, raceless, atheistic, materialistic, digital AI dominated metaverse postmodernist paradise , God and Religion ate gonna be way more aligned with nature and the natural order of things than any other ideology. “Freedom” 😂😂😂😂 . By 2030 you wont be able to post anything against the “new public moral” nor drive the car you want nor eat the food you want what freedom?!

@svr5423

14 күн бұрын

@@demonking86420 they don't have "their" answer either. They just choose to make something up and call it a day.

@demonking86420

14 күн бұрын

@@svr5423 and your evidence of them making it up is?

@mundolioknows6447

14 күн бұрын

​@@demonking86420fair enough on the "their" part. I misheard that. It makes little difference though. Having 'their' answer is useless when their answers are all different and fundamentally oppose each other, especially when they are based on false doctrine. In fact I'd argue it's much worse than not yet having an answer at all.

Sam Harris is not against religion per se.... it is Dogma he opposes. The evil you prescribe to atheism was also due to dogmatic beliefs.... as is the new woke religion you despise. I do not describe myself as an atheist as it tells you nothing about me. We are all atheists in the thousands of Gods we reject. I am a humanist who believes in evidence and reasoned, rational debate my observation would preclude me to think that this is also your underlying philosophy.

@km0262

15 күн бұрын

What’s the difference between religion and dogma?

@paulfallon3065

15 күн бұрын

@@km0262dogma isn’t exclusive to religion....but religion and dogma are often 2 cheeks of the same arse.

@houstonsam6163

15 күн бұрын

"We are all atheists in the thousands of Gods we reject" is a non-sequitur. It's like saying I am a bachelor in all women except my wife, or I am a non-scientist in all sciences except the one in which I was trained. It's a statement without meaning, coined by Dawkins because he thought it clever, but revealing how quickly his thinking becomes poor when he wanders away from the limits of biology. Humanism has no monopoly on "reasoned, rational debate", and it suffers from the shortcoming Kisin describes here : the elevation of Man to the supreme arbiter, with no constraints on his self-centered impulses.

@Nteriyo

15 күн бұрын

Religion is nothing more than a canon of language. There is no truth in it except what remains from those who have tried to change it.

@utdgrant

15 күн бұрын

@@houstonsam6163 Stephen Roberts quote, not Dawkins. "I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

As a Catholic, I'd like to say this massive coordinated push for a return to organised religion across alternative media platforms is weird as hell.

@bertrandrussell894

15 күн бұрын

"Massively coordinated push". Do you mean the enforced indoctrination of young minds by any chance? That us how it has been done in the past.

@stephannaro2113

15 күн бұрын

Does it smack of desperation?

@glowmaxTube18

15 күн бұрын

I have seen jo such push.... if anything the direct opposite...the internet is killing religion, and good riddance

@johnowens5342

15 күн бұрын

As a follower of Christ we didn't fare to well the last time catholicism ruled the world so I'm not convinced it would be anything better. Foxes Book of martyrs is a great read, a good portion of the book is about what you guys did to us throughout history for following the teachings of Scripture.

@johnowens5342

15 күн бұрын

​@glowmaxTube18 Voltaire said something similar, 100 years later his house was a Bible printing shop

New Atheism? Atheism isn''t a movement it's simply an unwillingness to accept the assertion of a God without evidence, I actually zoned out halfway through this Petersonesque diatribe, the idea that we'd be no better off with or without religion is nonsense, something that sounds intelligent does not make it so.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

Sheep

@cozyslor

12 күн бұрын

Indeed

@shaunehuolohan5736

11 күн бұрын

Absolutely correct ❤

@soggymcfries8072

11 күн бұрын

Perhaps it should be called anti-religionism?

@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexi

10 күн бұрын

This evil man HATES RUssia Hates christians and pretends to be pro british YOU westerners are just plain stupid It is SOOOO easy to fool you he is a zelesnky, a soros and weinstein and epstein rolled into one

Your argument that "in the absence of god, we get to make up any rules that we want" ignores that _in the presence of [a belief in] god,_ we _still_ get to make up any rules that we want.

@santerilaakeristo7305

14 күн бұрын

Exactly.

@randomusername3873

14 күн бұрын

It also ignores the fact that believers are constantly bending the rules to fit their personal convenience

@Ma55ey

14 күн бұрын

@@randomusername3873 and religious people are often the most judgemental, and vindictive people you've ever met..

@skylla451

14 күн бұрын

well said

@shafismaili1347

13 күн бұрын

He's missing the point isn't he. The "rules of god" are just as made up as any other, and no better.

It is so odd when people talk about "Atheist belief"... what?, it's like talking about the content of a void.

@HexerPsy

15 күн бұрын

Nothing is not truly empty. Its cutting edge science.

@johngoldsworthy7135

15 күн бұрын

Yeah it’s illogical at its heart. Why actively deny the existence of something? It’s like devoting your life to debunking Bigfoot

@mundolioknows6447

15 күн бұрын

​@@johngoldsworthy7135why not? If atheists believe religion is holding us back, it seems natural to oppose it. When schools are teaching falsehoods based on religious doctrine, it needs to be stopped.

@joannemoore3976

14 күн бұрын

Being an Atheist is to take a faith position tbf.

@demonking86420

14 күн бұрын

@@joannemoore3976 considering most of the ones I encountered were formerly of zealous fundamentalist upbringings, it seems they didn't deprogram the zeal out of themselves.

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.” -- Seneca.

@loreman7267

15 күн бұрын

... speaking about Rome.

@chrisreed5463

15 күн бұрын

As true today as it was in Rome.

@humbleopulence

15 күн бұрын

​@@loreman7267no, speaking in general about the human condition. So many societies replicate Rome's other attitudes and modus operandii so why not this one? Sorry, but you're deluding yourself if you think that quote can be confined to the Roman society alone. Seneca was a very wise man and saw through much of the lies people tell themselves, as any good philosopher should. I suggest you follow his example ;)

@lazylaurablue

15 күн бұрын

Almost invariably quoted by people who believe themselves to be wise. However believing oneself to be wise is not necessarily an indication of wisdom.

@jongrandboy4294

15 күн бұрын

@@lazylaurablueaddress the argument, not ad hominem attacks.

Hitler was NOT a atheist 😂

@joesouthborn2960

3 күн бұрын

An atheist?

@dodumichalcevski

3 күн бұрын

@@joesouthborn2960 What

@joesouthborn2960

3 күн бұрын

@@dodumichalcevski was he or wasn't he?

Okay, now tell us what we DO. Do we abandon our commitment to truth? Lie to our children?

@jaspergoodall3206

12 күн бұрын

Tell your children that no science can define thought/consciousness or understand where its origin is or how it is ‘produced’. Everything is just best guesses. This does not mean that there is a god/creator but there *is* a huge mystery. It’s my belief that we must cultivate a science of mind if we want any hope of understanding consciousness, (quite a few quantum theorists are interested in this conundrum) this would most probably look quite a lot like Buddhism. I believe there is a hypothetical place in the future where the science/religion debate will cease to be at odds as the two sides converge. 😊

@Valosken

12 күн бұрын

@@jaspergoodall3206 Well maybe I'll do that when the Christian doctrine is "There's a huge mystery" and not "We know the exact nature of the ultimate principle and creator of the universe"

@Mike-zf4xg

12 күн бұрын

@@jaspergoodall3206 dumbest thing ive read in weeks. we may define consciousness. you could say the same thing about any god of the gaps problem at any point in history.

@NAR-wv3sl

12 күн бұрын

@@jaspergoodall3206 I agree. Unfortunately, these are fields which most people know nothing about.

@Swo37

11 күн бұрын

Why not? If atheism is true, the commitment to truth has no value in itself. By the way you have no commitment to truth only commitment to your beliefs about truth that is an even smaller deal.

Sorry but i can't get on board with this argument. People will always lack critical thinking skills, because it is part of our nature and we aren't taught it in schools. Without religion this oftentimes causes people to latch onto harmful ideologies or movements for a sense of meaning. However, the takaway from this isn't that religion is good, it's that we need to start promoting critical thinking and a skepticism of people who claim to have all the answers. Religion promotes the opposite of that. It's very easy to have a meaningful life without god, meaning comes from the connections we have with other people and knowing we are leaving something good behind, no matter how small, for the next generation.

@OneEightNate

12 күн бұрын

Not everyone is capable of that, which is Konstantin's point here. You're naive to think that there's enough of the population that could "convert" to relying on pragmatic, calculated observations about the material world to guide them through life and provide them meaning. Roughly half of the population has an IQ below 100. Many people need some sort of "spiritual" guidance whether you like it or not. You'd do well to recognize this fact and bolster the religions most compatible with western civilization (Christianity) vs the ones that are not (Islam). I say this as an atheist myself.

@rebekkahill4664

12 күн бұрын

@@OneEightNate There are plenty of spiritual philosophies people can follow that doesn't require believing in something without any evidence or critical thought. I think buddhism and humanism are great examples. Christianity however, promotes harmful messages like blind authoritarianism.

@Stumashedpotatoes

11 күн бұрын

I agree with everything except for "it's very easy". It's easy for some people, but do not overestimate how dumb everyone is. maybe they need dogma? I used to think they didn't, I knew I didn't, but looking at the world now maybe christianity and judaism are just better than islam and we should just let people do it without criticism because it's better than the alternative

@rebekkahill4664

11 күн бұрын

@@Stumashedpotatoes I'm not opposed to some kind of spiritual guidance such as buddhism or humanism. I know people oftentimes need it. But the message from these philosophies isn't do this or you'll go to hell, it's try this and we know it will bring you peace but don't take our word for it, try it yourself. Christianity is the better of two evils, but there are far better ways to incorporate meaning into peoples lives.

@Stumashedpotatoes

11 күн бұрын

@@rebekkahill4664 I agree with you but for cultural and historical reasons Christianity is what we have. Plus I think it provides a lot more moral framework than Buddhism does

Does TRUTH get a say in all of this?

@bertrandrussell894

15 күн бұрын

Apparently not. We seem to be for the enforced indoctrination of innocent and unformed minds into a cult of human sacrifice. How wonderful.

@JG-qt3pn

15 күн бұрын

Whose TRUTH?

@kev3d

15 күн бұрын

@@JG-qt3pn THE truth. There is only one and it doesn't belong to anyone and it doesn't stop being true when people don't believe it.

@Deifiable

15 күн бұрын

Lmao. What a non-statement. You could listen to literally any podcast, video, or anything where anyone makes a point, and then comment “does TRUTH get a say in all of this?” It contributes nothing to the conversation.

@imimpo9316

15 күн бұрын

The Truth can only be God's. Otherwise, it's a point of view

Stalin was an atheist but Hitler wasn't. I'm not saying he was a Christian but he constantly talked about divine providence guiding him.

@BarbAwb

12 күн бұрын

He had a Narcissist Personality Disorder with delusion features.

@mellowado6184

11 күн бұрын

They were also military men. Belief in religion had nothing to do with it

@davidlynch9049

11 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure we can find historical accounts of many leaders invoking "their God" to rally the troops into battle and use the diety as a reason to stay in power.

@DREAMGARDENmusicclips

11 күн бұрын

His main obstacle in Germany was indeed Christianity

@mellowado6184

11 күн бұрын

@DREAMGARDENmusicclips The arguments for that are very poor. For a start, the Nazis had no problems conscripting German Christians.

Everything Konstantin said does nothing to prove religion either necessary or true and does nothing to invalidate Atheism. We've been experiencing these issues since before the Pyramids were constructed. Religion has never helped, it has only ever been used as a vehicle for the powerful.

The only reason we have religion is because we are the only animal that understands it's own mortality. I could be wrong, cos I do have my suspicions about dolphins...

@svr5423

15 күн бұрын

The reason why we have religion is because humans like to specialise and outsource things they can't be bothered with. It's only "natural" to also outsource your world view and ethical principles to an organisation. Pay them resources and trust them to provide solutions that benefit you. It's also a bad idea.

@Ma55ey

14 күн бұрын

That and it's a good way to control a large population.

@txdmsk

13 күн бұрын

Damn, we dolphins have been found out, SOUND THE ALARMS, LAUNCH THE MISSILES! THE HUMANS MUST NOT KNOW ABOUT US!

@atomicvinylreviews3420

11 күн бұрын

Perhaps even elephants too, they have been documented seemingly mourning the bones of their dead relatives.

Religions did it to themselves - New Atheism has had a tiny role in the decline of religion in the west.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

That is true, it is the rump of the decline, the shit, the detritus, the faeces.

One can argue that Communist USSR was atheist, but Germany? "A census in May 1939, six years into the Nazi era[1] after the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia[2] into Germany, indicates[3] that 54% of the population considered itself Protestant, 41% considered itself Catholic, 3.5% self-identified as Gottgläubig" You don't need atheists to think the "other" is a subhuman. And being religious surely doesn't stop you either.

@downshift4503

14 күн бұрын

in that census 1.5% identified as atheist.

The C of E is pretty woke. Being non religious is a perfectly rational position and should be respected.

Your argument seems to be would should believe in one religion lest a less benign religion steps in. As Galileo said "And yet it moves", the truth is the truth, I dont give a fuck what makes you comfortable.

@theinngu5560

15 күн бұрын

Yes the truth is the truth but if one is far away from the truth, perhaps better to adhere to at least the good parts of a religion ie the morality which is there in most religions. When one has no faith or beliefs it is easy to think one can just do as one wishes and if anyone else is harmed, it’s of no importance and possible that a lack of morality could set in.

@Alexander_Kale

15 күн бұрын

@@theinngu5560 The good parts of the morality of modern Christianity come from the enlightenment and were drilled into the religion by secular forces. Everytime the culture changed, Christianity's dogma changed with i. FIrst, there were slaves, then society rejected slaves, Christianity resisted and was dragged, kicking and screaming into the brave new world, only to then immediately take credit for the eradication of slavery. Same with verything else. Remember the vitriol Pope francis got for his decree regarding the blessing of queer couples. In a hundred years, christian priests will claim that it was only through christian love and kindness that queer people were finally accepted into society. If we need kindness, lets create it via the truth, not by adhering to a falsehood.

@mundolioknows6447

15 күн бұрын

​@@theinngu5560 you don't need religion to have morals.

@andymeier7708

15 күн бұрын

@@theinngu5560 You don't get to the truth by believing more benign lies.

@Oldlard

14 күн бұрын

@@mundolioknows6447 I used to think this. I am not so sure anymore. It seems increasingly the case that when you develop a moral structure, you develop a religion.

There are many Atheists who don't believe in this trans stuff. It barely has anything to do with God. There could very well be some religious people out there that feel trans stuff is valid, but are just not public or loud with their opinion. Also this point 6:35 about Atheists lacking meaning in life is an extremely immature viewpoint. I've been an Atheist for over 10 years having spent the prior 22 years of life in religion. I have developed far more meaning and fulfilment from a lack of belief than with a belief. But I know one measly anecdote isn't enough. So hear is something more concrete. The meaning of life in my opinion is **Love, Friendship, Money, Health and being as a good a person as possible**. That's it. I didn't need God or religions to tell me that. In fact they actively discriminate against each other, inter-discriminate and against non-believers. There you go, a simple God-Less meaning of life.

@ChelleyMadison

15 күн бұрын

Well said, I feel the exact way. Not a fan of a lot of what he is saying in this video, he is way off base.

@SaintKimbo

15 күн бұрын

Someone once said, "Religion and Communism would be perfect if people weren't involved"

@paulinegallagher7821

15 күн бұрын

I am also an atheist, and I cant say I am any happier for it. Of course I am well aware that people are inherently decent with a moral compass, we never needed a god to know how to feel love, empathy and how to build relationships. We have been doing that long before Christianity, because these traits are inherently within us and religion has barely informed it, if anything, these traits have informed religion, not the other way around. Meaningful lives and fulfillment is more complicated, as people with depression for instance will be lacking in these feelings regardless of religion. Religion is tribalism and gives people a sense of purpose or community when it involves praying together, attending funerals or other religious gatherings, charity work and social activities, especially for older people. I used to be smug about knowing better, and derided even my own parents for believing in a higher power. Then I saw my mother die, and my father lying in hospital two years later, with pulmonary fibrosis, struggling to breathe even with oxygen. He kept looking out the window, up at the sky, like he wanted to be free, or he wanted to know what life was like again. Or he was praying. I never felt so guilty in my life, and I never wished more to pray with him. I don't believe in anything, I have few friends and a job I barely tolerate, but have to just to exist. I suffer from depression, and life feels pretty pointless and I have never felt so insignificant. I am not a fan of dogma or oppression or manipulation through religion, but I swear, I will never mock or sneer at others for believing, because if it comforts them, then who am I to judge? I wanted my dad to see my mam in heaven, knowing that there was no such thing. Sometimes it felt easier just putting all my trust in and believing in the inexplicable. Without all of that we are just passing beings who will be gone in a very short time on a small planet in a vast space of nothing. Kind of feels pointless, really.

@reasonablespeculation3893

15 күн бұрын

Atheism is a BELIEF position on ONE Issue,,,, that issue being, the claim that God or Gods exist. A person could be a gnostic Atheist , and claim to KNOW that God/Gods don't exists. Or, a person could be an agnostic Atheist, that has seen no convincing evidence that God/Gods exist. If you are not a Theist, you are an Atheist. There is a spectrum, as Dawkins has explained. Disbelief of assertions, regarding the existence of supernatural beings, is the default position.

@SaintKimbo

15 күн бұрын

@@reasonablespeculation3893 That's all very well, but the Religious types have always, successfully, associated Atheism with lack of morality. Now that they perceive that society is in even more moral decay, they are pushing that propaganda even harder, because, one, they are intellectually lazy, and two, it's a convenient marketing tool, "look what happens when you deny God !". It's unfortunate that Kisin didn't go down that road, rather than, seemingly, fall for that old furphy. Trying to counter it by establishing the true definition of Atheism is a waste of time, because they don't want to lose their convenient scapegoat.

"in absence of god, we can make up whatever rule we want" As if believers aren't constantly making up rules to justify their actions and ideas

@ridleyroid9060

13 күн бұрын

Yeah, and I find this "in absence of god", so his existence is a volontary belief then? 🙄

@spurezurko

11 күн бұрын

Yep. Just look at the thousands of denominations and factions which came about for exactly this reason... Every case is just another power grab...

@guitarmetaldemon

9 күн бұрын

Precisely what Christianity is. It's the bible a la carte.

Konstantin saying the reason atheism "lost it's mojo" by not being able to provide any answers to lack of meaning etc is a weird one to me. It doesn't NEED to provide any answers on that front. That's not what atheism is about. Its simply rejecting the notion of a man in the clouds, as intelligent creator, judging us all. 🤔

3:05 - "it was around this point that I lost my faith in atheism". And there's the problem. Atheism neither requires nor encourages faith. If you needed faith to be an atheist you weren't an atheist, you just thought you were.

@helenespaulding7562

15 күн бұрын

Agnostic means you aren’t sure one way or the other. Atheism is “absolute certainty “ that there is no God. You cannot prove that there is no God. Cannot prove there is either. But absolute unquestioning belief in something that cannot be proven one way or the other…..is, by definition, faith. Not religious faith, but faith nonetheless.

@dropYourVideo

15 күн бұрын

And that's exactly the reason why he says it like this is my guess. To make one think about faith and no faith. And perhaps that faith is a human trait best to not ignore.

@geoffclements269

15 күн бұрын

@@helenespaulding7562 Wrong in both cases. Being agnostic is a statement about knowledge in that we don't know if a god exists which is true about everybody. Atheism is about belief and specifically not being convinced there is a god.

@geoffclements269

15 күн бұрын

@@dropYourVideo Faith is any nonsense you make up to justify an irrational belief.

@manfrombritain6816

15 күн бұрын

KK always said atheist til 5 mins ago, it's just good business to be seen to be trying Christianity right now. look at Russell brand suddenly being born again

Religion is as bad as most political parties, faith is something different.

@grantstratton2239

15 күн бұрын

The Mormon belief is that Satan's rebellion was that he proposed forcing everyone to be good and to deny them agency, and that because he would save everyone (by enslaving them) that he should be God. From that view, religious people who attempt to force their beliefs on others are, to put it mildly, not followers of God. Instead, we see the purpose of a church to encourage and uplift its members and to do the same for its community. One of the first invitations to follow Christ in the New Testament was to "come and see" and in a great church, there's reason to want to be there.

@cp37373

15 күн бұрын

Faith is the most useless thing in the world. Believing something without reason.

@grantstratton2239

15 күн бұрын

@cp37373 All knowledge requires some level of faith. We have faith that experts know what they are talking about based on their credentials because research on every topic is impossible. We trust our own perceptions despite knowing they are subject to being fooled. We have faith studies are conducted well (in most contexts), and measurement tools work as advertised. To say all faith is completely useless is to deny that truth is acertainable and that it exists.

@Spike-yc5gx

14 күн бұрын

@@cp37373Faith means trust, not belief without reason.

@thedukeofchutney468

12 күн бұрын

@@cp37373I’m sure you have some amount of faith that your statement is accurate. Literally everyone has some kind of faith.

Konstantin says that Hitler was an atheist & seems to imply that his actions were due to this, there is some debate about H's religious views & I'm not sure that it supports the argument that this is what informed his actions. The Wikipedia page shows the range of nuance & complexity around this subject: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

@scottmcadam4509

10 күн бұрын

Hitler claimed that he was doing God's work by eliminating the Jews Who can say wether he was disingenuous or not He was certainly raised catholic He had very close ties to the Vatican There is evidence that religion at least had some influence Did he ever claim to be Atheist?

Cmon Kisin.... the problem with not believing in god isn't that "we get to make up whatever rules we want". Why? Because we do in fact make up whatever rules we want, but atheism forces us to use reason in order justify those rules, whereas religion allows us to say "because god" and crush all debate (and all those who oppose us)

@7hello

13 күн бұрын

The problem with “reason” is that it requires more “IQ” than an average person, such as yourself or myself have. Most people can’t actually “reason”, only imitate, due to the lack of intelligence required to define the required information, gather it and produce reasonable conclusions. For most people “reasoning” is no different than “believing” for religious people.

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

@@7hello WTF. Attempting to claim reasoning and belief, are one and the same, based on your low opinion of the masses IQ, is obviously incorrect. They are not at all synonyms. Believing for religious peoples, is effectively dogmatic. Reasoning for even the lowest IQ, requires reference to more than belief. If you tell a religious person to hate gays, because God does, they will. That's belief. If you tell a moron to hate gays, he/she will at the very least ask why or have his/her own reason to comply. That's reasoning

Hitler wasn’t an atheist or a Christian. I’m not sure exactly what he was. He had weird views about “Providence” and other Nazi leaders were Pagan and had mystical beliefs. Weird for sure

@Deifiable

15 күн бұрын

He frequently talked about executing a divine plan. Whatever his precise beliefs were, he seemed to have no problem using religious vernacular to sway the masses. The fact that he knew that would work to achieve his aims, and that it indeed did, should be concerning for all religious people.

@loreman7267

15 күн бұрын

He was a neo-pagan, having 'had his third eye opened', when hanging out with a group that got its start with Madam Blavatsky, a fan of Aleister Crowley.

@SaintKimbo

15 күн бұрын

People always forget that Germany, according to their census, was 95% CHRISTIAN at the time of WW2. Unlike the Roman times, it seems that not many were prepared to sacrifice anything for their beliefs, lol.

@mcc5901

15 күн бұрын

Well, “Gott mit uns” ('God is with us') was printed on the belt buckles of German soldiers in WWI, WWII, and in the early years of the Bundeswehr

@Ma55ey

15 күн бұрын

Easier to paint atheists as somhow morally bankrupt if you equate them to hitler.. doesn't help to point out that he organised the protistant reich church..

This is a very weak line of argument Constantine, and disappointing. You are either convinced that there is a personal god or not, if you are than you don’t need reasons for why it might be beneficial, if you aren’t then no benefit can change that and religion becomes a complete nonsense. Think deeper about this, you clearly haven’t yet.

@stuwhite2337

14 күн бұрын

Agreed. KK is letting himself down here

@MrHammoreds

14 күн бұрын

I am afraid that you are bound to carry on missing the point of nuanced discussion if you remain 'binary' in your thinking. To say "you are either convinced that there is a personal god or not" reads as astonishinly unaware of how human beings have always looked for the meaning of life, sought to translate such 'meaning' into 'rules', then doubted their own conclusions at an individual and societal level.

@PeteQuad

14 күн бұрын

Exactly true. If he is not a believer, then he should get busy creating a system of rules and their justifications that people can get behind, that he can honestly believe in. The alternative is being an elite that can push a fake narrative to the public because they are not as smart as you, which will not only ruin your credibility, it will also fail.

@revel3314

14 күн бұрын

​Well said ​@@MrHammoreds "Either believe there is a personal God or not" as if it was that simple, or we ever had the minds, to truly comprehend the universe around us.

@SpiralOut011

14 күн бұрын

​​@@revel3314 but it is that simple when it comes to the topic of this video and whether one defines oneself as atheist or blames certain societies for their atrocities based on the fact their leaders defined themselves as atheist. Clearly, this video is about whether 'atheism', the lack of belief in god/s is the cause of societal problems but this has nothing to do with the truth or falsehood of atheism. Why title a video 'The atheist delusion' and bring up atrocities of atheist societies unless you're suggesting there's something fundamentally incorrect about lack of belief in god? Whether atheist societies are in more danger of leading to authoritarianism is secondary to the truth of atheism and if that was true, something atheists are entirely capable of addressing, or attempting to address, along the way.

Don't never confuse atheism, with culturel, or political idioligies.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

And yet the two go together in 2024.

@markh1011

13 күн бұрын

@@dominionphilosophy3698 ...and yet they don't at all. Atheists such as Sam Harris are considered the enemy of the woke mob.

@imusmoedegrasse

10 күн бұрын

@@dominionphilosophy3698 Can you flesh out your assertion?

@nicolamustard7232

9 күн бұрын

Atheism brings about dangerous ideologies. When there is no inherent moral system, we get to come up with whatever we want. A quick look at the atheistic regimes of the 20th century show the kind of awesome things we humans come up with when we take the reins ourselves. Go read Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Gulag Archipelago. That's a good study on what happens when atheistic ideas take over. A nice, light read....🙄

@IssacharGR

9 күн бұрын

You fail to notice that culture and politics are founded on ideologies. Foundational to communism is atheism. Foundational to the 'free' western democracy is Judeo Christian ideology.

I am a secular humanist. I respect the rights of people to believe what they want. I despise all religions as they are all an attempt, by men, to use the incurable need to understand ones place in the universe and the purpose of existence. Atheism is not a religion, it's is only the rejection of an assertion of faith by a "chosen" few. Christopher Hitchens was once asked if he would abolish religion. He said he would not, on the basis that there is an innate desire within humans to believe and search for answers. The trouble is, religions offer false consolation. The following are the things that all religions ought to have on their conscience Lies Violence Irrational Intolerant Allied to racism, tribalism and bigotry Invested in ignorance Hostile to free enquiry Contemptuous of women Coercive towards children The so call "neo atheists" were addressing the behaviour of the monotheisms at that time. Having lost the arguments and being rightly revealed as utter nonsense, the religious apologists are now talking in terms of philosophy, ontology and metaphysics. The anticipated rejection of atheism, based on Lenin, Mao and Hitler are dealt with through an understanding of totalitarianism and the desire of some men to control everything. Totalitarianism is not too far away from monotheism in its objectives. It's only ever about control. Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more truth, beauty and wisdom will come to you that way. C. Hitchens. When you think for yourself, you will see that all religion is utter nonsense. Konstantin ought to know better than to tar us all with a single brush.

@osbon

11 күн бұрын

Wow. I shouldn’t be surprised that an atheist would never have read the books of the religions he condemns. You obviously have not read what Jesus said in the red letters. He addresses every single point on your laundry list. This is why it’s hard to take atheists seriously.

There have been approximately 18.000 gods and goddesses invented by humans across the millennia. They’ve all claimed to be the “only true one”. I understand that societies somehow feel lost without religion, but knowing everything we do today, how can I be expected to just randomly pick one over the other when they’re all nonsense to me. That’s like deciding to believe the earth is flat, just because society as a whole can’t cope with the fact it’s round. Sorry, going backwards is not the way forward.

@schlauspieler1991

15 күн бұрын

again this invented numbers of gods.india alone had more than 20000,and if you count bushes and rivers from all religions gods are millions.And round is not the term you need to use,the biblical earth was round too,it just was a circle.choose better spherical,geoidal etc,you ,like russians,have the illusion that round is an antonym to flat.

@zoeen5650

14 күн бұрын

I guess you could choose based upon the culture the particular god/s create.

@demonking86420

14 күн бұрын

@@schlauspieler1991 and thats just India, what about the Egyptians? the pre-Qin Chinese? the Mesoamerican peoples? or other oral-based cultures who never found a reason to write their shit down? and another retort against the original comment(as im somewhat backing you up, schlau) is that the original comment asserts the monotheist view of "the only true one" when most of the deities he tried to sum up in that 18000 number were from polytheist cultures(e.g. even if you adhered to say, Heracles, you still pay your respects to other deity shrines when you found yourself in another place, which was rare since until a hundred or two years ago, travel was terrible and only the very wealthy could risk traveling)

@kant.68

14 күн бұрын

Just like there have been thousands of languages. They are all describing one single , shared reality. Those 18.000 gods , respond to the same basic principle humans find important and indispensable. All those Gods are in essence, the same God

@kant.68

14 күн бұрын

@@schlauspieler1991 All indian Gods are aspects of The Brhama (universal consciousness) . Hindus believe the universe was born from consciousness, and they are not wrong. But yall never understand the hidden knowledge and philosophical in religion because to you is just dumb fairy tales. Is not like fairy tales like the boy who cried wolf or beauty and the beast are one of the oldest stories ever registered to date . I guess this fact is irrelevant since those are just dumb fairy tales

As if the Soviet Union was atheist. It was the most religious place on Earth. They had their big old man in the sky, (Marx), their Jesus, (Lenin), their sacred relics (Lenin's embalmed body), their sacred texts (works of Marx), their high priests (Stalin etc...), their disciples (comrades) their heaven (communist utopia on earth), their hell (capitalist society), their infindels (dissidents), their blasphemers (enemies of the people). They just called them different names under Marxist Lenninism. The structure was entirely religious ideological belief. Polar opposite to the rational scientific method of the enlightenment. Much more in common with medieval religion.

@loreman7267

15 күн бұрын

... and yet, their rhetoric is even now indistinguishable from Hitchens. That should tell you something.

@truth_hearts_1940

15 күн бұрын

what a bunch of bollocks

@philipmulville8218

15 күн бұрын

@@truth_hearts_1940 How eloquent.

@Alexander_Kale

15 күн бұрын

@@loreman7267 It tells me you are lying.

@Ajax-wo3gt

15 күн бұрын

@@truth_hearts_1940Why? Because you’re a commie who needs this ideology to be true?

“Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.” Hitchens. But he's dead. So you should reach out to Harris and discuss your views. It would clearly be an evisceration.

@orangcurl

13 күн бұрын

A difficult claim to verify. But I'm fairly sure they both came from the same place.

@geneharrogate6911

13 күн бұрын

@@orangcurl No. It's quite simple really. Ask any dolphin, monkey, wale or lion etc. They all form complex collective societies based on cooperation with zero need for religion.

@orangcurl

13 күн бұрын

@@geneharrogate6911 so are you saying both religion and decency don't come from humans ?. So if decency is a precursor to religion, could we say religion is a product of decency ?. Personally I suspect religion is a product of emotional, intellectual and symbolic thought due to the complex language we humans have. Interestingly even the most remote and isolated human tribes found today all contain religious ideas including common archetypes.

@geneharrogate6911

13 күн бұрын

@@orangcurl Religion / superstition, two sides of the same coin. How else do you explain lightning, earthquakes or the plague when you have no knowledge of meteorology, seismology or epidemiology? It's no surprise solar deities occur almost universally in all mythologies since forever.

@orangcurl

12 күн бұрын

@@geneharrogate6911 thank you for your invitation to talk the animals. Unfortunately my understanding is that none of these creatures have the complexity of language to communicate on this subject. Though I do wonder if the dolphins might have symbolic archetypes manifesting in their subconscious ?

The New Academia had these answers millennia ago: self-improvement through living a virtuous life. You don't need gods for that.

Beliefs are not always answers. I’m sorry atheism let you down by not providing easy answers. Some people can take it with humility, admit they don’t know, and start using scientific thinking to reveal the underlying truth. It takes time, but most importantly, it takes valor.

@AWT8900

14 күн бұрын

I think Kostantin would disagree with the idea that 'scientific thinking' is pervasive enough to reveal all truth ( shades of truth, yes)...but, in fact rather limiting.

@SpecterVonBaren

14 күн бұрын

What atheists managed that?

Dawkins is right - the failure of humans to enjoy life without a ‘god’ to give them responsibility does not make Richard wrong. It’s people’s inability to act property in the recognition of a deity deficit - that’s the problem, not Dawkins.

@aldobonaso3481

15 күн бұрын

the inability to perceive outcome is still failure

@stuwhite2337

14 күн бұрын

I agree. Why anyone needs god to enjoy life is beyond me.

@AWT8900

14 күн бұрын

I think it goes a wee bit deeper than just enjoyment of life.

@jacobackley502

14 күн бұрын

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if he’s right, it matters that we have millions of people that can’t behave without it. Unless you have some other ideas that don’t involve genocide, religion is a tool we have that can reign in the masses. Pointing out that some people are still the problem doesn’t fix the problem

@stuwhite2337

14 күн бұрын

@@jacobackley502 it has a habit of getting out of hand though.

If not to stamp on atheists and prop up Christian apologists, what is this for? Unless I'm missing something this really doesn't look good

@Comical-Intellect

14 күн бұрын

I honestly can't believe he's just done that. So the 4 horsemen were wrong for spreading truth? Well they've just lost a sub from me.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

Offended? You must be woke I guess after all!

@Comical-Intellect

13 күн бұрын

@@dominionphilosophy3698 What a dumb assumption lol Could not be further from it, why comment? are you offended and religious? or a fan boy just not thinking? Thanks

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

@@dominionphilosophy3698 Oh my god, are you one of those conservative retards, who think any argument you don't agree with is being woke. I think you have been listening to .......KK, a bit too much.

I used to be a militant atheist in my youth (I studied Zoology at university - which has evolution baked in) and I was a third/fourth gen atheist in the uk in the 90s. What I didn’t appreciate back then is that some people genuinely need something larger than themselves to believe in, and that people who do not have this need - such as my self (and probably Dawkins) are very much the odds ones out and in a minority too small to base a civilisational world view on. So now I’m far more accepting of religion as a concept, but judge each religion based on the relative good vs harm it causes. Sadly we have replaced the benign CoE Christianity with harmful wokeism and the religion of ‘peace’.

@fredneecher1746

13 күн бұрын

There is no such thing as a "militant atheist". You either think there's a god or there isn't. Or you can't make up your mind and do something else instead.

@iainbaker6916

13 күн бұрын

@@fredneecher1746 Wrong. Militant atheists are those who oppose religion and are outspoken about it. Dawkins is a perfect example. Anti-theist would be another term for it. Speaking as someone who used to be one I know the difference between a militant anti-theist atheist and a live-and-let-live atheist which is what I mellowed into. I don’t believe in any deity but I don’t begrudge those that do (so long as their beliefs do not negatively affect others.)

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

Militant Atheism. Does that mean you attack the religious, deface churches. Please, atheism is just a lack of belief in god. Simples, no need to dramitise it. As for the masses, being religious, this is just a function of the religious indoctrination of minors, before they develop the capacity to reason and think for themselves. Make religion illegal under 18, and it would slowly disappear. Also, who has replaced this so called benign Christianity with wokeism or the religion of peace. You really lost me, wokeism isn't a religion, and what's the opposite to the religion of peace, the religion of war...oh, you actually you mean Christianity.

@ERH-ph5gb

10 күн бұрын

You make an excellent point. Above all, "very few of them are able to justify a civilised world view" - a good insight. A person I love thinks the same way and can - if they're not careful - turn into arrogance towards the individual many. It is true that when you hit rock bottom and enter the void of atheism, you can find a serene state of being. This is an extreme way to become a fearless human being. The people of the West and the whole of modern civilisation are far too soft for this. This is the reality that a hardcore atheist does not like to face. A soft atheist (for lack of a better term) would put it the way you did.

@thomasprogli3372

9 күн бұрын

Religion biggest benefit is its rituals. In Christianity you are constantly encouraged to do better. Atheism has no objective. Skeptism or epistemology does not come from atheism but it also has to be learned. My BIL is an atheist and a conspiracist. I just realized a few years ago that he has no understanding of the scientifc definitions of hypothesis and theory althouhg he has a masters degree (where he must of learned all this). He really believes that the "laws" of gravity is a fact while the theory of biology is just a hypothesis. He lacks basic epistemology tools. He has no understanding of probability, statistics or fallacies. He loves to watch those mistery "documentation" shows where anything is possible and all information is on equal standing.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here Konstantin. Criticizing religion for the atrocities committed in its name doesn't mean religion is the ONLY evil that invokes atrocities. But, many religions, especially Christianity and Islam, claim to possess a moral high ground (much like the woke and progressives do today) while leaving behind a trail of human suffering. If I recall from following the "Four Horsemen" back then, that hypocrisy was their primary critique. Further more, and correct me if I'm wrong, but is it your point that atheists like Dawkins and Hitchens are somehow responsible for what is happening with the woke because they had no substitute for religion? I think they had one, btw. Search for truth with honesty and curiosity along with a healthy appreciation of nature in all its aspects would form a solid basis for a new way forward. But in no way do I see the rise of a new bad idea a vindication of the old bad ideas. Christianity didn't give us the prosperous times you and I have lived through. The enlightenment did. And it did so by going AGAINST the doctrines and dogma's of Christianity. Anyway, other than that, still a fan of your work and thanks for being a voice of reason in these crazy times of which I'm certain have more to do with our failing education system than with the lack of religion. ;) Also... I think there's still a big majority of believers in the US, despite woke going ape over there.

@user-we7rc1kz2x

15 күн бұрын

Exactly! The alternative is secular humanism... Not a different religion.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

And that is where you fail. Enlightenment good, Christianity bad. Positivist bull.

The only mistake is that you made a religion and prophets out of these men which goes directly against the whole point.

@mundolioknows6447

15 күн бұрын

Finally!! Someone nailed it.

@mundolioknows6447

13 күн бұрын

@@langov3 I think you missed the point mate. He's saying Kisin put too much faith into the 4 horsemen, as if it was their job to provide a moral framework and a way of life after religion. He's saying it wasn't their aim. Their works should not be treated like holy manuscripts and they shouldn't be revered as prophets - they were just 4 atheists.

The perpetual misrepresentation of atheism as some kind of system or faith is as crass and tiresome as it is disingenuous. My first thought when I saw the title of this clip was was that KK would be attempting to widen his appeal to the religious market.

That atheist comedy was great when I was younger but then you grow up and realise it was about as sophisticated as a poop joke.

Konstantin, I know this is going to sound like a one-liner gotcha, but you really need to think about this deeply. 3:03 The very fact that you had "faith in atheism" is extremely telling of the fact that you never were an atheist.

@dominionphilosophy3698

13 күн бұрын

Oh my god! Listen to yourself ffs.

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

@@dominionphilosophy3698 Oooh, someone loves KK !

The thing is, I just don't believe in God, I just don't. I'm an atheist but I totally agree and desire the values of the west, I see their merit compared to the other alternatives and I don't wish to live like that. I grew up on the ideals of courage, truth, helping your community because it's the right and good thing to do, not for a reward in the afterlife, but because it makes your life better and more enjoyable when people can depend on you and you on them. I don't think I need to believe in God in order to be a good person, and yes, I think that life has no objective meaning and in the end it will all be for nothing, but until that end why not find my own meaning in life by being as good as I can be? sure, I could be bad but that's just not how I was raised. I don't know, I think that people are more than capable of finding their meaning without the need for a God but if that's what helps them wake up in the morning and be kind, good and helpful to their fellow man then I'm all for it. I do however want to be clear that I am against anything that is anti western values and I am willing to fight and kill for the west to survive, I hope you are prepared for that as well, because something tells me we will have to fight the others soon, those who claim to follow a religion of peace but in truth, they only want blood and total control.

@SaintKimbo

15 күн бұрын

Agreed, the luxury of being an Atheist without being persecuted, is something worth fighting for.

@kant.68

14 күн бұрын

You know who Christ is? You can be a Christian by claiming you’re trying to be like him. Thats it. You dont have to “believe” that praying has a porpoise, or miracles are a thing. Have you ever asked yourself “what is God” ? What if I told you that God is your consciousness? What if I told you God is the “thing” the is in between the object , the word and the meaning or the word describing the object ? Better yet, what if I EXPLAIN YOU the real reason people believe in God? I think this is what we need nowadays. A Class of the Philosophy of Religion . To explain what is God or what do we mean by God because nobody reads this books directly. “I can be a Good person without religion” what is Good ? And why is this concept of Good, a correct adjective to describe your actions? Good only makes sense in a Moral Framework, a moral framework that stems from the concept of Grater Good. Greater Good is a trascendental idea, like God. I do X because is Bad to do Y. You’re behaving in a way that takes others into consideration.

@amaterasu22able

14 күн бұрын

@kant.68 why be a Christian? Christ was Jewish.

@kant.68

14 күн бұрын

@@amaterasu22able I was raised in a Christian nation (Spain) . Is part of my cultural identity. Thats the only reason. Plus, Im not jewish . Christianity in the other hand, is universal

@amaterasu22able

14 күн бұрын

@kant.68 whatever floats your boat man I'm not judging your belief as long as you don't want to force it on me. Live happily and well.

i'm yet to be convinced that any religious conviction can make a person immune to becoming a genocidal psycho.

As a Believer in Christ, In God and in the Bible and what it teaches. I am not a follower of any religion, of any men or church professing some devine knowledge, and I have met many athiests that profess and follow the Golden Rule and, I have met many Christians who are hypocrites to the faith they believe in. Lesson from me... A Belief in, or a Rejection of a Religion in no way makes you Correct or a judge of others. I'll end on this simple biblical passage when Jesus teaches to Love God and then reveales this, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" ...it really is that simple! Peace. 🙏

The body count argument had always been silly on both sides. Evil cannot be defined by numbers, especially when the mass casualties of the early to mid 20th century are a result of the ability to commit mass casualties that other evil men didn't have. Are the Soviets really multiple times more evil than Isis? After all, give them thousands of nuclear bombs and we'd soon see who'd end up with the biggest body count. Also, Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in divine providence and the Germany that he led to commit gross atrocities was overwhelmingly still religious.

@schlauspieler1991

15 күн бұрын

yes,soviets were much more evil than isis ,but not for ideological reasons.they were just russia dressed in red,and they still are more evil.isis didn t bomb millions if civilians in aleppo or rape kids in mariupol or bomb kids in theatres.isis didnt commit genocide in half of europe and asia.you in the west don t even imagine how evil and stupud russia in any shape is and was,irrespective of its weaponry or century.more evil than mao,hitler and isus combined with ease.

That was poor. The evidence of usefulness of a religion is shaky at best aside from religious people being somewhat happier overall (big daddy watches over and gives rules to follow). Calling Stalin and Mao regimes atheist is a straight out manipulation since both were cult-like which Konstantin clearly knows as a Russian. Besides, both Russia and China had long history of violence in their "religious" periods. Hitler was clearly an occultist as well as his elites which obviously does not qualify as atheism. I agree to Konstantin on many points, but this is not one of those.

@SaintKimbo

15 күн бұрын

Plus, according to the German census around the time of WW2, 95% of Germans identified as Christians. Also, despite the Marxists trying to stamp it out for a couple of decades, Russia was majority Orthodox Christian. So, apart from a tiny minority at the top, it was Christians who perpetuated those two atrocities, which makes relating a strong, religiously motivated 'moral code' to a safer, loving or more peaceful world, total nonsense.

@Jerry-vz4ix

15 күн бұрын

'there's no evidence', because there's been no research (there are some questions researchers don't want the answer to). It's only recently we found out human beings are religious by their nature, it's the default and not a social construct. iow, people are religious, because they're people. You can cut off that part of your humanity, and maybe it works out for you. Or, maybe it doesn't.

@danilabezmenov3489

14 күн бұрын

@@Jerry-vz4ix , "religious by nature " - what does that even mean?

@Jerry-vz4ix

14 күн бұрын

@@danilabezmenov3489 it means there's no 'blank slate' theorist left.

@danilabezmenov3489

14 күн бұрын

@@Jerry-vz4ix , any proper evidence to look at that would support your claim that "recently we found out human beings are religious by their nature"?

Wow Konstantin, what a poor strawman you set up here. You are really misrepresenting the case here, I don't know if it is a shoddy memory of Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris or ill will.

"Religion bad." "Atheism bad." Apparently, it's just people who are bad. "If you can make them believe absurdities, you can make them commit atrocities." I am an atheist, but unlike most atheists, I have not substituted a belief in a god for another ridiculous belief, as most atheists have. The fact is that most people cannot exist without a belief, whether that is in some god, or in the State, which is basically yet another god. A good example is atheists rejecting the creation story from the bible yet embracing the Big Bang theory. One makes as much sense as the other. It's alright to admit you don't know. It's not alright to come up with fairy tales to explain things we don't understand. We ridicule the old barbarians who explained lightning by attributing it to Thor or Donar, but we in the 21st century are different not one iota. Stop believing in absurdities.

@Theo_Skeptomai

8 күн бұрын

Do you agree there are at least two _evidentiary facts_ (cosmic microwave background and the red shift doppler effect when observing distant galaxies) go toward the plausibility of a 'Big Bang' event?

So the argument is that you need to side with the religious people because the alternative seems worse? Well... fuck that!

@paulf2557

15 күн бұрын

Agreed

@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo

15 күн бұрын

No you don't have to do anything, not all religions are equal we're living in strange times where the totalitarianism of Islam is not just being tolerated but supported by many atheists where the openness of Christianity (particularly in the UK) is being shunned.

@tomasrocha6139

14 күн бұрын

@@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo Uh? Many atheists are supporting Islam? Can you name them?

@flain283

14 күн бұрын

No that wasn't the argument you missed it. The point is that those doing "bad stuff" don't always belong to any particular side as it changes over time. Think for yourself is the argument.

@SpiralOut011

14 күн бұрын

​@@flain283That pretty much was the argument. And it was weak. For a guy who supposedly values free thinking as much as he, this was disappointing. This seems to have come from Douglas Murray too. Religion reigns for thousands of years of oppression and misery, society begins turning SLIGHTLY more atheistic inside a century - ahhhh see!! There's your evidence, atheism leads to the gulag and worse, wokeness.

I'm an agnostic Atheist, and until I see proof of a god of some kind, I will remain so. I don't follow any religion, god-based or secular (woke). I am aware that most humans need a religion, though. I can only hope the peaceful non-authoritarian religions win out.

@Red-zh7vq

15 күн бұрын

You don’t need evidence, you have to have faith. If you don’t have faith then God bless you my brother.

@LMWORLDWIDE

15 күн бұрын

As you do not know what is the way of the wind, Or how the bones grow in the womb of her who is with child, So you do not know the works of God who makes everything. Ecclesiastes 11:5 If you don’t have conscious awareness of the 8 billion thoughts on this planet then your defiantly not God. Most people can’t keep up with Jesus on the sermon on the mount; majority of people are sinners and if you find it hard to follow exactly what Jesus said; then pray and he will help you… Most men in 2024 commit sin by looking LUSTFULLY at women on social media; and you want to criticise God when he said don’t do it over 2000 years ago (if not more I don’t believe the timeless)

@mrbaker7443

15 күн бұрын

“Knock and He will enter”

@kev3d

15 күн бұрын

Same

@DroneDialogues

15 күн бұрын

Most humans need a religion, but not you. omphaloskepsis while pretending to have something insightful to say is a much better path.

We have had religion in one form or another since man walked the earth . Surely religion speaks more about us as a species than any fictional 'god' we may make ' real'

_“I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God. I've seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. And goodness - what God desires - is here [points to Balian's head] and here [points to Balian's heart], and by what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man...or not.”_ - *David Thewlis as the Knight Hospitaller in the movie, Kingdom of Heaven (2005)*

Konstantin, please read ‘The Constitution of Knowledge’ by Jonathan Rauch, which is an argument for structured discourse set on a foundation of free speech. It leaves space for religious practices but stresses the importance of objective knowledge to keep society’s truth-seeking healthy

@agingerbeard

14 күн бұрын

Sorry Konstantin can't talk right now, Jordan Peterson is using his husk as a proxy right now. Try in a month when he recovers.

@mentalitydesignvideo

14 күн бұрын

is metaphysics objective knowledge? is primitive Aristotelian logic objective knowledge?

@EmperorsNewWardrobe

14 күн бұрын

@@mentalitydesignvideo perhaps, though I don’t know. In regard to his goal, does it matter?

Spoiler alert to the religious and the atheistic among us: The story doesn't have to be literally true to move us towards wanting to be better people or to think that the world might not be such a awful place all the time. When you read 'Charlotte's Web' to your eight-year-old daughter do you remind her nightly as you close the book after each chapter, that there aren't really talking/writing spiders and that pigs don't really have happy communities of loving friends in the barn? Or do you let her drift off to sleep thinking that at least in the mind and heart of E.B. White and his millions and millions of devoted readers love, kindness, self-sacrifice are real things and worthy aspirations. The literally thinkers ruin everything on both sides, whether they be the 'that's not literally true or you can prove that exists' or the people who think every word of the Christian Bible literally happened as written. We watch movies all the time that uplift us, make aim for great things and want to truly be better than we are, stories that aren't true, didn't really happen, completely made-up, but none the less beautiful, wondrous, delightful stories that someone found in their hearts and wrote down, and thereby made the world a little better to those who listened with their souls. All the great heroes and heroines and other doers of great things believed in their visions, in their feelings, in that great things were possible and either they came from human stories or some great being beyond understanding place those visions in their minds. Nothing exists in the world created by humans but someone believed it into existence.

@Etcher

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, the problem with your argument here is people don't start wars over nice movies or cute children's books.

@cynthiajohnson9412

14 күн бұрын

@@Etcher The problem with your argument is that you don't seem to recognize that people start wars regardless of the reason. People, men in particular, like wars. The fantasize about them, the play sports and video games to simulate them. THEY LIKE THEM. Does Call of Duty have a relgious holy war as an underlying theme? No, it doesn't need one. Just the opportunity to blow off the 'enemy's' head is enough. They don't actually need a genuine reason, never have, never will. Look at all the wars the U.S. has instigated, Ukraine the most recent, to pretend to spread and protect 'democracy'. Those that want war will find a way to push it, regardless of philosophy. Their reasoning doesn't even have to make logical sense even in the most basic level. Ukraine cancelled their elections, and yet the U.S. still supports them in the name of democracy. Notice the b.s. pattern in the rhetoric of war mongers? So-called 'morality' spreading doesn't need the velvet glove over the iron fist in the guise of religion. That's what Kisin just said, or were you too wrapped up in your biased emotions to listen? P.S. The U.S. Civil war was mainly fought over tariffs that funded most of the federal government at the time, you want the real reason for every war, follow the money. Hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers did not sacrifice their lives to free the slaves nor did the Confederates die to keep the black man in chains. That's ridiculous even on it's face.

@ERH-ph5gb

10 күн бұрын

Good points. It's hilarious to hear this "argument" over and over again that one cannot know something which cannot be proven. Of course not, why would one expect a proof of God anyways? It is a term for something incomprehensible, and the personalisation of God is an intellectual attempt to distance oneself from oneself in order to be capable of having an earnest talk. It's an act of introspection and the ability of the human mind for abstraction. It's as metaphorical as it can get. To brag about God being taken as a literal person or to brag about having heard God's voice is just self insult. Of course nobody talks to God literaly. Even a child knows that. If one finds that the literally thinkers ruin it, one has to get in touch with them and ask them intelligent questions. I do that now frequently. And what I get as response is not at all immature. What we all need is to be better able to communicate and get on the level of the other person as best as one can. If I want to get my point across I need to know how to do that. To become an excellent debater needs high skills.

@ERH-ph5gb

10 күн бұрын

@@Etcher What does your response have to do with what the user said above? If you have a counter argument that metaphorical language cannot be understood, please argue it.

@cynthiajohnson9412

10 күн бұрын

@@ERH-ph5gb I thought of a great example of an inspirational story (based on truth, using actual people as character models) - 'To Kill A Mockingbird'. A powerful and influential story based an actual legal case of false accusation in a nearby town during author Harper Lee's youth. The fictional character of Atticus Finch was based Lee's idealistic father. The story is not literally true, but metaphorically and morally true. It doesn't need to be literally true to be pertinent, the message is still important, powerful, and valid. And fiction is filled to the brim with stories of 'aliens' and other types of super natural beings with amazing powers that influence humanity for the better. 'Lord of The Rings' is inspiring young people to seek out the best in themselves even now. And virtually no one thinks Middle Earth is a real place. Metaphorically it is real enough to make people want to be better.

the problem is that a portion of people lag behind and stop while trying to make others stop with them instead of trying to keep up; and those who run faster don't turn around at all and want to finish alone

It was necessary to overcome religious dogma to give us true meanings in life such as "evolution by natural selection". Truth is always better than manipulation no matter how well intentioned it seems on the surface. Religious morality is about reward and punishment and instils fear and guilt into the hearts of children. I know because I was one of them. Atheism is truly about liberation, a natural human condition, to be totally free. Yes it's scary but that's the price of freedom. Whatever happened to the man who said the future was "to work.... to build..." This fills the void, not religious beliefs, waiting for some fake afterlife because it was written in a book a couple of thousand years ago!

I have spent most of my life agnostic, but after witnessing the deterioration in our society, I am, for the first time, exploring Christian faith.

@bramolini4835

15 күн бұрын

DONT DO IT !!!

@reasonablespeculation3893

15 күн бұрын

If you do not believe a God exists, you are an Atheist. You can pretend otherwise, but "Belief" is spontaneous. 2+2=5 What do you Think?? exploration won't change your belief

@kevinb9830

15 күн бұрын

Aren't you more interested in what's true?

@Ma55ey

15 күн бұрын

People like konstatin will tell you that letting in too many Muslims has caused this deterioration.. does that mean their god is better than the one you previously weren't sure existed? What is is about the deterioration of white Christian society makes you think that there's definitely a Christian god all of a sudden?

@HexerPsy

15 күн бұрын

And thats fine. I grew up without religion, and briefly became fundamentalist as I got in touch with a christian group who believed the world was 6000 years old and would believe the bible over any scientific evidence. But I got out of it - knowing more about the flaws of christianity than most do. The best way to get out of christianity is by just reading the bible from cover to cover. You ll find god grows and learns like every literary character - making mistakes and correcting them. And ultimately the fundamental flaw in humanity is that you are born with sins, and have to atone for it. Sins originally coming from Adam and Eve cast from the garden by.... god himself. You must accept he either willingly, knowingly cursed everyone at that very moment...... Or its just a stone age story. And it does not justify the rules you must live by, prescribed by that same book.

Better the devil you know than the one you don't. I prefer the old ministers of morality in their dresses and funny hats than the new ones in theirs.

@alistairmurray626

15 күн бұрын

tried not believing in any devils?

@evfast

15 күн бұрын

While I don't believe in "devils", I do believe in thematically appropriate idioms. Although I have somewhat less faith in them now...😆

@SaintKimbo

15 күн бұрын

The difference is that those old Ministers of Morality, just pretended that they didn't 'like' kids.

@schlauspieler1991

15 күн бұрын

devils we know are better than your gods,your wokes,your offended,your leftists,your trumpists,your russians.sadly those devils don t exist,cause they d be helping civilization today as proclamed enemies by the evils mentioned above.

@DjimonMoz

15 күн бұрын

​@@alistairmurray626 I see the concept of analogies seems lost on you.

That's one of the few topics where I don't agree with you The "new atheists" make sure to always stress that they care about truth, it's not about how it makes us feel or behave, it's about truth and about how a society would function if it values truth Today's failed western societies do not value truth (although not because of classical religions but because of new woke dogmas) but that only supports their point IMO They, the four of them are the perfect example of how to have meaning and passion without religion

@mahones981

13 күн бұрын

If they care about truth then they would be consistent and stop speaking of the evil of religion when no such concept of evil would exist if there were no God.dawkins himself famously stated that in a naturalistic understanding of the universe, concepts like good and evil, right and wrong are not true concepts, we are 'just dancing to our DNA.' Religious beliefs too, are reduced to nothing more than products of the evolutionary process...why argue against that!?

@UV0023

13 күн бұрын

@@mahones981 I don't think there us anything stopping the human mind of having the concept of evil even if it did not have the concept of a god

@mahones981

13 күн бұрын

@@UV0023 we certainly do have a concept of evil. We do have a sense of right and wrong. Does this arise as a result of mindless, meaningless, accidental chemical and physical processes? If so, this concept of evil is not grounded in anything, there is no such thing as what one 'ought to do'. Our thoughts and feelings are reduced to chemical impulses, thus no thought can be considered 'right' or 'wrong' At the idea of morality is just a delusion, as are concepts of meaning and human rights. To insist there really is evil is incompatible within a naturalistic understanding of the universe. Either accept there is no evil, as Dawkins clearly states on one hand, or reject naturalism.

@mahones981

13 күн бұрын

@@UV0023 or perhaps we can believe in evil even if we don't acknowledge the existence of God. Its like saying I believe in the existence of the Ford motor car even though I do not believe in Henry Ford. If we are the product of meaningless, accidental physical and chemical processes, then not only is the concept of God a figment of our imagination, but so too is any concept of morality! Dawkins himself is well aware of this on one hand but then is inconsistent and wants to speak of evil as if it is a scientific reality!

@mahones981

13 күн бұрын

@@UV0023 yes true. But if God is a made up concept, then evil too is a made up concept, and meaning and human rights too for that matter. For we are nothing more than a collection of molecules here through meaningless, blind and purposeless processes.

I feel KK is slowly going down the the JP route. Becoming a Christian solely to combat Wokeness.

So true...this new woke-religion that filled the vacuum-void is actually worse

@HexerPsy

15 күн бұрын

Its not a new religion... Come on, when the boomers got kids, they saw their kids with rock and roll, drugs, weed, sexual liberation - every generation has its counter reaction from previous generations. So now we are dealing with a generation that is a niche culture on the internet. People grown up in their bubbles, only seeing people who agree because the algo's put these people together, and those who disagree are blocked, and those who are not zealous enough, never go viral or become influences/popular in those circles. Woke is just an ice berg of the internet culture. And just like most internet cultures, it lasts for about 10 years and then dies out, or gets replaced.

@schlauspieler1991

15 күн бұрын

only because they are ruled by women.imagine those old religions if they were made and used by women, the biblical god alone is a c*nt with pms.

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

Stop it, woke-ism, hasn't filled any vaccuum. Woke is just the boogey man, used by the right to dismiss any argument they don't agree with.

I think it is a mistake to think that all Christians are young earth creationists. The largest Christian church, Roman Catholism has never made a definitive statement on this and allows a wide range of views. I think the new athiests completely got it wrong but were successful as there was already developing in society a strong anti Christian attitude well before they atacked it. Also strangly Dawkins produced some shows very sympathetic to Bhuddism. He is not anti religion he is just anti God.

@borderlands6606

15 күн бұрын

Indeed, creationist literalism of the Bishop Ussher variety was the lowest of hanging fruit, but the so-called four horsemen held it to be universal. It is self-evident that the bible contains various modes of address, of which fictional archetypes (parables) are central to its message.

@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo

15 күн бұрын

In the UK i haven't heard of any 'young earth creationists' the largest denomination is the C of E, Catholics have made a definitive statement and way back in the 1950s saying evolution is compatible with the church.

@mundolioknows6447

15 күн бұрын

The new atheist movement was not aimed at just creationism.

@txdmsk

13 күн бұрын

Nobody claims that all xtians are YAC. That is a complete misrepresentation and misunderstanding of atheists. Dawkins said it many times, and I agree with him: The problem is not a god or religion, but what is true and what is not.

@borderlands6606

13 күн бұрын

@@txdmsk Dawkins is making a metaphysical claim, and presenting it as a utilitarian one.

Let's not leave Stephen Fry out of the equation here. When 'The God Delusion' was trending he busied himself on the lecture circuit with his castigation of religion, particularly, but not particularly bravely, Catholicism ( Other religions are available). Yet, in his last Christmas message he celebrated his Jewishness. Hmmm. Make up your mind, mister.

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

Yea great point. Stephen Fry, really dropped the ball on this one. The real Jew, Alexi Sale, was much better.

@johnanthonyp

12 күн бұрын

@@royboy4571 I've got all the time in the world for Alexi Sayle, a consistently, truly funny comedian of true intellect and possesor of incredible individual thought. He wasn't afraid to let slip ( let's say in no uncertain terms) that he isn't fond of Mr Fry.

My jouirney has being the reverse my family were very religious , my father a lay preacher my mother became a methodist reverend. I considr myself now to be a reluctant athiest, I would love to have the same faith that gave my father peace during his last weeks after a diagnosis of terminal cancer. It was a true vision of a beautiful thing. I personally belive the bible to be a beautiful guide to how we should be as humans , take out the dogma and be what the bible teaches us to be. I get that sounds a little odd at best but I don't believe we need gods to be bettter people just the will to be beteer

I used to be a devout christian - I've been confirmed and used to take communion - it wasn't science that turned me away (though it certainly mad it easier), it was CHRISTIANS. 99% of the "christians" I have met have been just as hateful, bigoted and all of the other human faults as non christians. I can count on one hand the few that uphold the true tenets of Christianity - EVEN WHEN IT IS HARD or requires some sacrifice on their part, humility, forgiveness etc etc. This is the biggest reason why Christianity as a faith has been waning, too many "christians" and not enough real ACTUAL Christians.

@DroneDialogues

15 күн бұрын

I’m guessing it was more they were pointing out your behavior being against Christianity and you replied “don’t judge” when they were just trying to help you. Sometimes being told you’re wrong can offend you before common sense kicks in. And if people turned you against a faith, your faith was lacking to begin with, much like your BS anecdote is.

@IceRungs

15 күн бұрын

You've met 99% of "Christians"?

@IceRungs

15 күн бұрын

Let me guess, you also turned away because you couldn't be a real "Christian"?

@chrestb8862

15 күн бұрын

"Christians.. it's not fair! I could be that happy if I believed a load of rubbish" -Mark from Peep Show

@openmind5973

15 күн бұрын

@@DroneDialogues You may have just proved his point. Are you Christian?

Your statement that your faith in atheism started to wane after Dawkins wrote the God delusion doesn't make any sense. Atheism isn't an ideology and Dawkins and Hitchens are not representatives of atheism, no one person or group of people can represent atheism so it makes no sense to become critical of atheism based on what one or two men say. This also applies to your argument about Stalin and Mao, communism may not involve a god but it might as well be a religion all the same, those dictators killed on the basis of ideology whether belief in God was involved or not. Come on Konstantin you can do better than this.

@sempersuffragium9951

15 күн бұрын

The point that seems to have flown over your head is, that religion provides a framework for action in the world. When Dawkings wrote the God delusion, atheism stopped being merely a scientific position, but soight to usurp the place of religion. And atheism isn't good for motivating you, because it's just an abscence of religion, so you'll end up filling the void with anything you like. The reason communism and nazism killed so many, is that ideology took the place of religion. They had no higher standard to judge their actions against, so all they did was by definition good, because it was in line with ideology

@jok2000

15 күн бұрын

Atheists usually don't pay attention to the beliefs that led them there.

@catwoman7462

15 күн бұрын

@@sempersuffragium9951 I was a born again Christian for a few years, but have been an atheist for most of my life. I am unable to believe in a god. That doesn't make me a bad person or someone who thinks people can and should behave in any way they choose. I just don't believe in a god.

@ronyeahwiggie729

15 күн бұрын

@@catwoman7462 Which begs the question where your morality comes from. Without a higher authority it would merely be an opinion, which is what I suspect @sempersuffragium9951 means.

@ronyeahwiggie729

15 күн бұрын

To me it does, since Dawkins exposed flaws and falsehoods within his reasoning, which made me question his motives and made me search for answers. And the more I search, read and find the more sense God and belief makes to me. That being said I also am of the opinion the belief is personal. Religion is groupthink with all the inherent flaws thereof.

Anyone who thinks people require religion to kill each other is dangerously ignorant and just sounds like a bitter teenager.

Even if my own conclusions are different, I continue to be impressed by the intellectual journey of this apparently open minded young man.

@agingerbeard

14 күн бұрын

Regression is not a journey to admire.

@royboy4571

13 күн бұрын

Grifting is not a journey one admires.

„The comfort that you get from believing a falsehood, is like a drug.“ Is this not a general statement which can also be turned against the belief that there is no God? The comfort, not having to stand before a just judge at the end of life, not having to bear the results of wrongdoing, not having to respect and accept a creator, someone who owns me and has the right do demand obedience from me? Seems to me like Atheism is also „Opium des (intellektuellen) Volks“ (opium of the (intellectual) people), to state Karl Marx.

@moonlightray8493

15 күн бұрын

That Marx quote was actually an argument *against* religion. Marx was saying that religion is *precisely* a drug to help people escape reality. The full context reads as follows: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

@littleking1994two

15 күн бұрын

Not at all, there is no better world to ascend to, no creator to remember you, no possibility of seeing loved ones again, why do you think so many theist make the argument that with our god people become depressed ignorance is bliss and atheism offers no bliss

@AdiAdiadi-hg8tn

15 күн бұрын

belief that there is no God? There is no such a thing as: "belief that there is no God? ", Is like saying: "belief that there is no purple alien dragon siting on my desk right now" and that's not a believe because there is no claim that ever was made in first place, so when there is no claim then there can not be believe in that claim. One can say: "that he belief that there IS purple alien dragon siting on my desk right now" then is believe indeed, because claim here was made.

@Ma55ey

15 күн бұрын

@@cthulhucrews6602 and if that plan is to die of bone cancer at the age of five? How wonderful..

@schlauspieler1991

15 күн бұрын

can someone who owns you be a just judge?can thus world have as creator a just judge?no,it cannot if you aren t incredibly blind and ignorant of history,biology astronomy,physicics and everything else.

I know this is a long comment and I am sure few will read it, but I do think it is important to add to this conversation or I would not have taken the time to write it. As a Roman Catholic, and a student of World Mythology and Religions, I was never drawn to the New Atheism movement, not because of my faith, but because of their level on analysis. It is one thing to win in an argument against a creationist (who see religious texts as a historical account rather than poetry, which is how it should be viewed) The New Atheists are correct in their assertion that there is no scientific evidence for the presence of God. And yet, even when science proves without a doubt that no creator awaits us, religion did not go away. This was not because of ignorance, or mad faith, but because humans need stories. Stories, narrative is the one thing humanity has that no other life form on this planet possesses. We need stories to build our cultures on. They are the backbone of culture, and without them, when a society stops believing in the stories that their culture is founded upon, cultures quickly crumble. If science was all we needed, all this faith business would have stopped by the Enlightenment. But it did not. It burst forth in Romanticism which gave birth to the decadence of the West, creating the circumstances for two World Wars, the like of which this earth has never seen. We must not forget that Nietzsche’s assertion that God is dead was not a positive declaration, but a lament for what was to come without Him. Without these stories, without the catharsis they offer, we are not able to get our own psyches in order. We need stories, archetypes, to map the road for us. No wonder pop-culture has made so many leaps and bounds now that the young have no grounding narratives to gird them in their youth. A blueprint for a reborn atheist is Camille Paglia, who sees world religions not as a stain on our resume, but as the greatest creation we have ever mustered. Or perhaps Northrop Frye, who saw narrative itself as the backbone of human thought. C.G. Jung, Mircea Eliade, even Neitzsche these thinkers knew the dangers of parting with story. Without stories, societies fall. We westerners must be aware that there are people in this world who believe in their own stories, and historically, the Faithful tend to win over the faithless. Yes, religion is dangerous, but not because it is religion, but because it is lead by man. Man will use any institution as an excuse to kill his enemy. So we build stories, stories that reflect the world as we think it should be. Instead of weeping over the earth’s natural cruelty, we tell a story of a better world, and bring it into being with the very force of our minds. And so here we stand in the West, our own stories so fractured, we cannot agree on any common thread of humanity between us. All around us, religious extremists buzz, like the vandals and the huns in the late Roman Empire, which also stopped believing in the stories which made them great and terrible. The new atheist is right, God is dead, at least in the West, though His memory lives in the corners of a few hearts here. And now, there is no one to say “help us” to. We should morn the weakened state of faith not praise it. Man is evil, Nature is neutral at best. It is only society that keeps the raw bloody world at bay, and when we destroy our stories (whether you believe in them or not) when you stop telling them, you blow out the flame of the west all the faster. The East will soon follow us in this, as it has these past few centuries. And then, in a world devoid of all meaning, then we will truly see the horrors the world has on store for us.

This argument doesnt make any sense. 1. Hitchens etc. Didnt only argue the case, that atheism wasnt the motivating factor in Stalin, hitler and so on. They also argued that their regimes were in fact religious in of itself. Totalitarian. Furthermore both Stalin and Hitler very much indeed used the religious memes within their people, and hitler had a close relationship with the catholic Church. 2. That Stalin etc. Used the abscence of god “to make any rule we want” is also just an assertion without any merit.. look at the most atheist countries in the world today, how are the scandinavian countries even comparable with the regimes referenced to in the argumentt? 3. Doesnt religion have a comforting effect despite of it being unscientific? Again, the logic from this just goes straight against everything Konstantin has been arguing with regards to any othe subject.. If we Take the trans-debate.. Well, isnt the idea of some dude being female comforting for that person? Even though it is scientifcly wrong, doesnt the transideology hold some value to the world? I mean, it is comforting for alot of people… one could say - Well they (the most Extreme of Them) try and enforce their views on us and our children, they try and make laws and the threaten with violence.. and then one could ask yourself, doesnt religion hold the exact same prediciment? You cannot find one single video or text with either of the Four horsemen saying people cant be religious, ever single one of Them always says that they just need to keep it to themselves.

@double-oh-frank

14 күн бұрын

This is imo the best response I've found in this comment section. I find reflecting one's argument on themselves very effective...

@sebastianjacobsen727

14 күн бұрын

Thx. I was High as a kite when i wrote it, so im glad to hear it made some sense despite that.

@guitarmetaldemon

9 күн бұрын

This. This is precisely how I know Konstantin doesn't read books. I can pick at least two books that answer and debunk Konstantin's uninformed video essay.

Voltaire said "if God didnt exist - man would have had to invent him" [so he can give meaning to life]

@buddhistsympathizer1136

15 күн бұрын

Man did invent him. But that's not to say that the invention is without use or merit.

@Muschelschubs3r

15 күн бұрын

My life has meaning. I don't need a cheap-ass crutch for that.

@km0262

15 күн бұрын

@@Muschelschubs3r Not really. You’re attempting to give your life meaning, but you’re just deluding yourself.

@MichaelPillitiere

15 күн бұрын

Why do people need meaning?

@km0262

15 күн бұрын

@@MichaelPillitiere human beings look for purpose in everything, there’s literally some sort of meaning behind every act we take, be it implicit or explicit.

We are now a secular state said Nicola Sturgeon and today the mental health crisis in Scotland is off the scale.

I just don't understand why people need guidance and community so much... But I see it too. People replacing religion with wokism or sometimes some sort of personal spiritualistic blend of astrology, mindfulness, buddhism, and their favourite football team. I don't understand why people need this so much, but it's apparent that most people do. What is it that sets us, Atheists with our own set of moral values, who don't need any nonsense to give our lives meaning, from other people? That's what I would like to find out. I think it might have something to do with the fact that people's mental health has been on a steep decline. You need mental strength and resilience to hold on to your beliefs, even when your peers disagree with you, and even when those beliefs weren't designed to give you comfort through bad times. But even if mental health improves, there will always be people who need some sort of religion. But the danger of creating a new religion, updated with modern Western values, is that eventually, it will expire, like old religions. Humanity evolves, and values change. That's why science is better, as it's constantly updating itself with the latest evidence. Maybe we need a self updating sort of religion. It's a tough problem to solve...

"Religion is useful and inevitable. Therefore, let's abolish atheism and make everyone religious." KK is completely gone out of his mind.

@johnsmithers8913

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A better way to reword it is that we will always be religious. It's in our nature. The Woke religion sucks, the religion of peace presently sucks, Communism sucks, but compared to all the others, Western Civilization flourished under Christianity, people's lives improved under it, so we might as well bring it back if you want a reasonably functioning modern civilization filled with ethical people and leaders. Quite rational actually.