The drunken king variation looks like a precursor to the bongcloud.

@jonathanjuliman5628

2 жыл бұрын

Before they discovered bongcloud... peasants smoke tumbleweed

@Javiercar

2 жыл бұрын

So if the bongcloud is not here... Does it means its a good opening??

@U20E0

2 жыл бұрын

@@Javiercar bongcloud is the best opening

@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme

2 жыл бұрын

@@Javiercar Of course it's a good opening, the double bongcloud is only used in the highest levels of play, such as with Magnus and Hikaru.

@kang018

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanjuliman5628 passants

It's funny how serious Nelson is when discussing such silly openings

@RikMaxSpeed

2 жыл бұрын

They presumably didn’t all look so silly before the advent of 3300-rated chess engines!

@endymulio

2 жыл бұрын

Most are very reasonable. An example of silly opening is bongcloud.

@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126

2 жыл бұрын

@@RikMaxSpeed I can see the Senechaud Countergambit being one that didn't look so silly, or at least looking like it might need some further thought, but it's hard to imagine even a guy like Lasker looking at the Mosquito Gambit without laughing his head off, let alone the Drunken King.

@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126

2 жыл бұрын

I say even Lasker, just talking about the time period. He would be far from the most likely of his contemporaries to stumble.

@Crazmuss

2 жыл бұрын

There are no silly openings, remember this clownpusher guy who achieve 3000 elo by playing e4-e5-Ke2?

An interesting thing about some of these bad gambit is the precision required to refute them. I guess the age of stockfish has also weakened them as everyone can now quickly learn the precise sequence of moves to refute them.

@haydenarratoon4841

2 жыл бұрын

most people will very rarely or never face these openings and won't learn the refutations, so in lower time formats especially they can still be quite deadly

@Qoko88

2 жыл бұрын

Of the ones in the video, the only two that qualify as hard to refute are the Jerome and the Matovinsky (for the latter see my recent comment). The others are just... bad :>

@Amoeby

2 жыл бұрын

@@haydenarratoon4841 lmao, all of these openings are easy to refute even in blitz unless you have a low rating.

@ClinicalpsychFTW

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amoeby what’s your rating?

@toranix8836

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amoeby blitz isnt really low time tbh, bullet/hyperbullet would be better suited for that because those openings are really weird and unpredictable if you hadn't seen them before

I love how the drunken king variation is probably just named after black sees Kf2 and is asking White : "What's that move, are you drunk?" Yeah... Btw I'm personally curious if Nelson found some actually good gambits, especially because after the poll last week he was probably looking for some and even read through 500 pages of his book trying to find something. Nelson you're the best

The Drunken King is actually really fun to play, and I've beaten high rated players with it. White, with seemingly random moves, invites black's queen to remove all the king's pawns, after which 4 of whites pieces are free to chase the queen around the board. If black isn't careful, queen traps are possible, along with knight forks and other mayhem. And black usually isn't careful and goes for the quickest mate. Of course it's total garbage, but when you beat a decent player with it, it's really funny.

@1latrommI

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah mate, I'm kind of having doubts about your comment.

@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126

2 жыл бұрын

​@@1latrommI The only thing any of these openings have is that they are obviously terrible moves, where the obvious response might lead to unforeseen complications. So hopefully, your opponent will see the terrible move, think they have an easy win, and then not think too hard. Then, you can take advantage. Maybe. (In all the cases of the gambit, I am not talking about the capture as the obvious move, since that is the only response, but the next one.) But the Drunken King doesn't even have that. The obvious response actually works great, and if you think a little more, the second most obvious response is possibly even better. It's hard to see how you confuse anyone. I guess the way p0gue says, but before they free up your pieces, they might win the game already.

@stolensoul2355

2 жыл бұрын

@@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126 it is fun. For example: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3. Kf2 Qh4+ 4.g3 fg+ 5.Kg2 gh 6.Txh2 Qxe4+ 7.Nf3 with fun Positions. King has on h1 good Square. In fast games is really fun. According, with a tempo less, to 1.e4 f5 2.ef Kf7 3.Qh5+ g6 4.fg+ (Bc4+ d5 5.fg+ with losing Pd5 is a good refutation. In the drunken King variation its dont work) Kg7 5.gh Rxh7 f.e. 6.Qg5+ Kh8. Funny play

@KororaPenguin

2 жыл бұрын

If I remember _Ideas Behind the Chess Openings_ correctly, Fine said that when a weird, bad opening does work it's usually because the opponent was overconfident in the advantage.

@p0gue23

2 жыл бұрын

@@stolensoul2355 Yes, exactly. The video doesn't show the whole crazy opening. White's king moves 2 or 3 times, hence 'drunk', but ends up on a square where it's not trivial to kill. 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Kf2 Qh4+ 4. g3 fxg3+ 5. Kg2 Qxe4+ 6. Nf3. Black wants to punish such idiocy immediately, but suddenly black's queen is quite exposed and white's king side is loose. If black touches the d pawn in this position, the queen is toast. 6. ... d5 7. Bb5+ Bd7 8. Re1.

Botez Gambit can be mentioned as well. It is basically sacrificing the Queen for the piece activity. It can be used in many openings to confuse the opponent.

@gdhpsk8723

2 жыл бұрын

Hikaru can beat 2100s with it so it can’t be that bad

@electricnezumi

2 жыл бұрын

@@gdhpsk8723 I bet hikaru could beat 2100s with any of these openings

@gdhpsk8723

2 жыл бұрын

@@electricnezumi yeah Ik, just giving 1 example tho

@Extreme11

2 жыл бұрын

@@gdhpsk8723 clearly you didn’t know because after succumbing to that point your comment is meaningless lmao

@gdhpsk8723

2 жыл бұрын

@@Extreme11 it was intentionally supposed to be a joke but oh well take it as you will

A bit of history about the Tumbleweed Gambit: It was apparently popular in Nebraska between WWI and WWII. There were whole tournaments where that was the opening that was always played. (sources: Chess To Enjoy, Andy Soltis, and a chess newsletter from the Nebraska State Chess Association)

Funny enough, the Matovinsky Gambit has a couple of games in the lichess Master database and Black even won a couple of games. I think especially on lower time controls this gambit has some potential.

@AndrewBlechinger

Жыл бұрын

It's one of those openings that's dangerous if you don't know the theory.

I recall a quote attributed to Korchnoi: "If you're going to play stuff like this, why bother studying openings?"

Hey nelson, can you make a specific video about bongcloud? It will be helpful for blitz and bullet

@JM_-ix7yh

2 жыл бұрын

my god is that meme not dead yet

@FuyosCatsArm

2 жыл бұрын

No.

@lhysaiko158

2 жыл бұрын

@@JM_-ix7yh I'm actually a Bongcloud player on bullet lmao,it's really funny to play

@adamnielson42

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering why it wasn't on here, but then I remembered this wasn't a list of 7 best openings

@YoutubeAskedMeToChangeThis

2 жыл бұрын

Play solid principles based chess and you won't need to learn a single bongcloud line.

Someone used the mosquito gambit against me when i was newer, I think he checked mate me with help of the black bishop. After i saw it again I researched it and stopped all attacks rather quickly. I haven't seen it in over a year, but every once in awhile i see it

@renerpho

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a very instructive game :)

@COOL_DAD

2 жыл бұрын

@@renerpho i didn't even know it had a name, which is funny cause someone posted 'whatever move you make might have a name such as the left testicle mosquito gambit ' and then i saw this video 🤣

@renerpho

2 жыл бұрын

@@COOL_DAD Is that a variation on the Croatian Penis Gambit (big balls variation)?

@chinggis_khagan

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised it even has a name, it's just a typical beginner move lol

@tetres51

2 жыл бұрын

Just played against it online, I sae the knight move quickly, he kept running it around the board , by the time he retreated the queen I had both knights and bishops active.

Old german literature(specifically "Schachmatt: Eine lehrreiche Plauderei für Fortgeschrittene über den Mattangriff im Schach" on page 56) mentions an opening called "Elefantengambit"(literally elephant gambit). It has nothing to do with the e4 e5 elephant gambit(which is called "Mittelgambit im Nachzug" in german). It goes 1. e4 f5, 2. exf5 Kf7, 3. Qh5+ g6, 4. fxg6+ Kg7, 5. gxh7. In the game shown in the literature white actually gets mated. It's around +5.0. But i've actually played hundreds of blitz games with it, it is a blast to play, gives some very fun positions.

@Joseferberger

2 жыл бұрын

except when they decline the full gambit with Qh5+ and you're stuck with your king at f7 for no reason

@Ulkomaalainen

2 жыл бұрын

I've actually seen that at a youth championship at a pretty decent level (1800 rated 14 year olds). It failed miserably. Granted, it was before computers were good enough to really analyze, so the gambiteer only knew his main lines but when his opponent declined to follow up, you're just a pawn and a couple of tempi down, which is usually enough at this level.

@jort93z

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Joseferberger Qh5+ is the "mainline". As I said, 1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7 3. Qh5+ g6 4. fxg6+ Kg7 5. gxh7 You play g6 and taking it is pretty forced. You gambit two pawns generally. Another way you could reply as white would be attacking with the bishop like 1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7 3. Bc4+ d5 4. Qh5+ g6 5. fxg6+ Kg7 That sort of just transposes into a similar position.

@Joseferberger

2 жыл бұрын

@@jort93z It is, but there's still a lot to prove with the open lines and cheated out tempos. By playing something along the lines of 3. d4 instead you have the symmetrical position but black has sacrificed a pawn and put his king on an idiotic square, which is an advantage that doesn't need any proof.

@jort93z

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joseferberger I mean, it is probably an opening they came up with to troll, like the bong cloud. I am sure people liked trolling back in the day as well.

"Openings don't matter. You can open with a4 if your tactics are good." -- Ben Feingold

@andreib4226

2 жыл бұрын

1. a4 is not the same as sacrificing 2 pieces for no reason

@DM_Curtis

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreib4226 That's the joke.

@megugu2155

2 жыл бұрын

its actually true. you can go do the improved bongcloud as your opening and still win. magnus has proven this time and time again in his drunk streams. openings only matter if your opponent is someone that knows enough tactics as you do.

@donnadie5882

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Curtis when I face lower (-300 elo) players in online tournaments I play the bongcloud and I've won most of those matches,

@renerpho

2 жыл бұрын

@@donnadie5882 It's basically the same as playing with a handicap.

The Jerome Gambit is indeed really fun in blitz and bullet when people don't have the chance to think about what they are doing without introducing time pressure in the middle and end game

I've actually played the Matovinsky gambit 4 times before. According to opening explorer, I've won all of them (against people my rating). It's a really good gambit

@demonvictim

2 жыл бұрын

It seems like you really need to know how to beat it like one of the chess puzzle

@captainphoenix

Жыл бұрын

His rating: 420

Drunken king is just 17th century bongcloud

Your technique of working through the gambits, explaining how they connect back to more mainstream openings, giving the viewer time to think about what they might do next, etc. makes me feel like I'm in Chess 301, and that's great. Thanks!

thats a really impressive work going through an entire chessbook mr. whoever you are chess vibes keep it up my guy not only the content is interesting but its educational to bit weaker players

@maulingtiger5109

2 жыл бұрын

His name is Nelson Lopez

@patstaysuckafreeboss8006

2 жыл бұрын

His name is Ben Springer

@kingchicken7085

2 жыл бұрын

His name is Emanuel Lasker

@RajaRimbaHere

2 жыл бұрын

His name is carlussen magnos

@justarandomanimegirlpassin5341

2 жыл бұрын

you are all wrong he has simply changed his identity face and is under intense hiding his is the one and only rick astley

Fun video, how much of the book can you debunk like this? "The best way to refute a gambit is to accept it" (Steinitz, Capablanca, Bronstein and friends)

@matikkkii3482

2 жыл бұрын

Vienna Gambit.

We look forward to seeing another video about bad gambit. It’s kind of funny to watch and to see the good moves responding to these dumb gambits

As someone who hardly ever plays chess, this was an interesting video! I tried to figure out a couple of the openings, but I usually got them wrong. For the third one at 8:39, my plan I came up with was neither of the ones listed, but rather B-N6. My reasoning was that Black would have to advance their king-pawn, allowing for B-N5 and then some sequence of moves that I guess would close off a lot of escape-squares. In retrospect, though, White would probably need something to back up the queen-bishop.

The Stockfish 15 NNUE evaluation at depth 30 for each of these are as follows: Senechaud Countergambit; +2.6 Mosquito Gambit; +3.27 Matovinsky Gambit; +4.23 Orsini Gambit; -3.17 Frederico Variation (actual name being Sicilian Defense: Hyperaccelerated Dragon, Fianchetto, Frederico Variation); +2.86 Jerome Gambit; -4.06 Tumbleweed Variation; -4.16

Great concept, thanks! Would like to see more like this. (Suggestion: Maybe try a fixed depth for the evals, like 30.)

I'd love to see more unusual openings, could even be the best openings that no one plays, or the trappiest openings where the Evaluation is 6 but only if the opponent finds the one and only move.

Bongcloud is by far the most powerfull openning ever

the idea of guessing the position evaluation in centipawn value according to stockfish is really awesome! This makes me think about openings in another way

4:19 Kiddie Countergambit I've used it so many times so successfully and it looks like it would also work here.

I don't even play chess, even though I know the general rules and all the pieces's movements, but your videos are very well done and I think I'll binge your channel. Now I know how other people feel when they inexplicably get hooked to watching videos about a game they don't play.

@ChessVibesOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Haha thanks, Martin! Welcome!

I really like this video. It's a lot of fun and a refreshing change to spend some time looking at fabulously weird openings as opposed to all those sensible,calm , good openings we should all really,really study. Please make another one.

Great interesting video this really illustrates how qualitative strategic aspects like positional principles, central control and initiative are important concepts to understand instead of just simply comparing material as a lot of lower rates players do. Did you really read the whole 500 pages or do you mean rather browsed the whole book but stopped and read more in detail at key areas of interest???

@ChessVibesOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

I speed read it and some of the pages were lumped with some of the gambits that I skipped so I didn't have to read all 500

4:43 : That was similar to a game I had. Except the opponent gave up, played Qf6 and resigned

I find it interesting you didn't mention Barnes opening which is largely regarded as the worst opening in all of chess.

Been watching some of your videos, great stuff! In this one, your explanations of why something's bad are all pretty good, up to a point where they barely need explanation but you do it anyway. However, having said that, the Matovinsky has a lot more sting than you provide and is the reason some Black players prefer to play the Owen (blitz mostly of course). Probably the most common of these gambits, and for a reason. In the fxh7+ with Nh3 line there's a lot to play for, mainly after Black's Nf6. Not the best move by evaluation but incredibly tricky to play. The knight on h3 is usually lost for a contained king, but finishing a temporarily stalled attack as White has here is pretty complicated. After 8....Nf6 9.Qg6 Bxh3 10.Rg1 Rxh7 11.Qg3!? it's +8.5, a piece down, for obvious reasons, but the board's on fire. I've never seen the lines as far's in the video though, I know hxg8 is not good. I think the most common choice is actually not even playing gxh7+, but 7.Qf5+!? Nf6 8.Bh6! giving White a smaller advantage but a much simpler game. 8....Bxh6 9.gxh7 (now, yes) threatening Qg6+ with Qxg2, and 8....e6 9.Qg5 Bxh6 10.Qxg2 +- and the Black king side is in shambles for no compensation whatsoever.

Since you mentioned not bringing your queen out early, what is your take on the Wayward Queen opening? I use it all the time, and save for a few people whose responses baffled me so much they actually outplayed me, i tend to find it's a strong opening, so long as you don't allow your queen to die in an excessively dumb way. (which i, as someone who usually opens Wayward Queen when given the option, have certainly never done even once) To give you a basic rundown, after both players play Kings pawn, white plays queen h5. If your opponent plays poorly, this is only a few turns away from a checkmate, or at the very least take a rook and a knight (basically if your opponent plays rook d5, you can take the kings pawn and fork his rook in the early game, and if the king is protected using the bishop, which is the logical option at first glance, you can also take the knight, and from there, you can turn it into an attack on the f pawn if your opponent isn't careful). In other scenarios, you can capture the opponents queen at the cost of yours, and even with an intelligent foe who guards his king's pawn (which you can take from h5), you can still fall back and turn it into a Napoleon attack. In fact, as long as you play it smart, you can usually get a queen in or near the middle of the board in the early game. Oh yeah, and did i mention the

9:07 why not bishop c4 check in response to queen takes? Moves available are block with bishop on d5 then recapture as white bd5 only legal move is kf8 then forced mate with qf7 or am i missing something?

I don't play much chess, I'll do it casually from time to time so seeing these bad openings was rather amusing, but I do have a question. During the Matovinsky Gambit, after black moved the king to f8, couldn't white move their bishop that's on d3 over to g6, and in the following turn move queen to f5 to win the match, or is there a move that black can do to prevent that from playing out on the board? Also I should point out that I'm very much still a beginner at chess, so forgive me if I'm falling into some sort of trap with that line of thinking

@delitaheiral9184

2 жыл бұрын

It's a very slow and defendable move. knight f6 could easily stop that attack.

@jurassicattack01

2 жыл бұрын

okay I see what you mean now, thanks for answering my question, I now better understand why that move wouldn't be the ideal move in this situation

there’s also the Dudweiler gambit (-4) after f4 d5 g4 I believe it’s the worst second move other than fool’s mate or hanging a piece if I remember correctly

Just stumbled into one of these by accident. I’m in a world of pain. I’ve found it to be a huge learning opportunity to practice endurance from these horrible positions.

Came to enjoy your videos a lot in the past few days. You got my subscription, Sir! Keep up the good work :)

@ChessVibesOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Honestly I feel like I learn more about opening principles from hearing about what not to do sometimes.

I think the worst ones are the ones where the refutation is natural moves (like the Mosquito). If you are worse according to the computer but the opponent has to play accurate non-intuitive moves, the weird opening may be worth it.

Just curious what do you think about the scandinavian defence?

Senechaud is a French name and is pronounced say-nay-sho, I believe. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Loved the video by the way. Learned what not to do but also learned what to do if my opponent does what not to do.

@black.listed

2 жыл бұрын

Sen-neh-shaw

@stupidnamefilter

Жыл бұрын

In French, 'e' only has a sound of "ay" if it has an acute accent, so é. Blacklisted has it mostly right, though the third syllable would be a little lower than 'shaw', but higher than 'show', its a vowel sound not used in English after sh.

@felicityc

Жыл бұрын

@@stupidnamefilter it's more obvious when you spell it correctly, sénéchaux. Senechaud is just a surname variant. You are right, of course.

At 9:10 what is white plays Bishop c4 This forces the king to move away and you can take the rook and skewer the king and queen. Am I missing something?

Your content really helps me bro. Thanks.

10:20 I guess that makes sense, but wouldn't Nf3 achieve the same basic outcome? What's different that makes bringing the knight to the edge better? 11:45 But how would the eval change if Bishop takes knight instead of the rook?

Quick question 🙋 During Matovinsky gambit, at White knight to h3, doesn't Bishop to c4 accomplish the same one turn earlier ? I cant see why it would be bad.

9:09 wouldnt there be a good move for white d5 as its check and then taking the rook but im not sure

@19:28: What about g6 and then when queen captures knight, defend the bishop and eye the central pawn with the queen. If the queen takes the rook, then I take the pawn with check and launch an attack as black (I'm down the exchange but)

Ah the Jerome Gambit. Older Chessbrah viewers will have already heard of this one :D

But it's already check mate in matovinsky gambit if the pawn takes the black knight then the white bishop gives a check then White's queen will delivered the check mate am I right?

I really enjoyed this Nelson and look forward to your next edition.

Kind of surprised that the King David variation of the Sicilian wasn't on here

11:40 Wait I'm confused that you didn't mention that white bishop at all. Isn't it a good move to move it 1 tile to the up left? Because you now have two ways to checkmate, if rook takes your pawn, then you move queen to the tile protected by bishop aka checkmate. If black moves queen against your queen you just promote your pawn to queen or this one isn't checkmate?

how do u change arrow design

I feel like an opportunity was missed to see what the eval would be, if the move played in response to the gambit was plausible, but weak. i.e. a bullet game where a response is made on the fly to an unorthodox opening. Seems far more interesting than simply opening the gambit and only looking at the eval at that point. You could explore a series of unintentionally weak responses the unusual openings might provoke and see if the eval at least draws even or favors the gambit.

13:16 that look at the camera and the gravity in your voice is what does it for me

Just back - great video, no wonder the KZread algorithm is pushing it strong and views are skyrocketing!

At 18:15, I don't understand why it's not beneficial to move the king forward one square. It protects the knight, and even if the white queen moves up 1 square to compensate, you can still put pressure on it with a pawn, that'll be defended by the king.

Very interesting video, but at 10:10 ish why shouldnt white play bishop to g6 and then Queen to f5?

The Jerome Gambit is more viable in Bughouse. (Although I prefer to delay 3. Bxf7+ by one move with 3. d4 exd4 4. Bxf7+)

Can we have a speedrun of these moves to see how high you can go haha (sorta like the bong cloud speedrun)

@masterjbt

2 жыл бұрын

Oh man hey bait didnt expect to see you here

@JimmyBoosterCrate

2 жыл бұрын

Well you can certainly get pretty high with the bongcloud :)

@AmongUsAcademy

2 жыл бұрын

@@masterjbt haha I’m trying to get into chess these days :)

Thanks a lot for the fun! By the way, Senechaud is pronounced quite differently: [senesyo] with the emphasis on the last o, which is not your standard English [ou], but rather closed and unchanging. What is your opinion on the Nakhmanson gambit?

Really good video. As a lower Elo player you get caught up in these weird openings a fair bit and I find it easy to panic or rush into making a killer move. Good advice to take stock and in the absence of a guaranteed quick mate just go for normal development, Thanks Nelson.

8:42 what about Bg6 Bxh1 Qf5+ ? That makes the white bishop a lot more dangerous and allows the queen to control the game more. You do lose your rook but after Qf5+ black is forced into blocking the king with Kf6 or Bf6 and you can trap the other bishop out of the game with f3 (and you can still develop the knight afterwards since queen controls that square either way); Basically my idea is: Bg6 Bxh1 Qf5+ Kf6 f3

In Matovinsky Gambit after: white pawn: G6 -> H7 and then black king: E8 -> F8, What if, white bishop: D3 -> G6 and then white queen: G5 -> F5 ??? Would that be considered a good win for white?

I’m surprised the Damiano Defense didn’t make this list. It’s a very weak opening when Black moves the f-pawn on the second move to defend the e-pawn, taking away the best square from the black kingside knight and exposing the black king by opening up the kingside.

I'm surprised by how well i guessed the stockfish evaluations. mind you they weren't to the decimal point but they were within rounding. the only ones I got wrong was the jerome gambit and the orsini gambit. I guessed -3 (for black) on the senechaud, +4 (for white) on the mosquito, +5 (for white) on the matovinsky, -2 (for white) on the orsini (cause i forgot qa6), +4 (for white) on the frederico, -3 (for white) on jerome, and -4 (for white) on the tumbleweed.

For beginner, I like to know what engine think of the Benoni Defense... which I play exclusively against D4

this is cool I ve face a couple of this variation and althoughyou know you are better in quick games is sometimes tricky to find out how to punish them

In the Senechaud countergambit, wouldn't it be more beneficial to move Knight F3 takes Pawn G5 with a Queen Check follow up? It's pretty much a won game from then on as I can't see many moves for the Black to make to not lose

Lol I literally played a drunken king game against jimmy bot and I didn't even know that was an actual gambit

in the jerome gambit, considering the evaluation i just randomly said -4.2 and when i saw that it was ACTUALLY -4.2 i popped off so hard

I remember that Joseph Henry Blackburne faced the Jerome gambit at least once when he was giving a simultaneous exhibition. It's one of many dozen sparkling games that Blackburne played.

10:17 Instead of Black Nh6, would Qe8 be a line worth chasing? Sets up a Queen Trade if not outright taking the Queen if White doesn’t either retreat or play Nf7. Even then, if white does play Nf7, Queen takes, and the position is effectively the same proposition while dismantling the offense. Alternatively, after Nh6, then Qe8.

As an Englund gambit player (and gambit player in general - Scandinavian/Icelandic, Halloween, Locock, etc), I might try the Mosquito gambit haha

For the Matovinsky gambit, you can take the knight with your pawn and if the king takes, bishop to c4.

10:16 you could also do the boring way, you could move bishop to c3, and then move queen to f7.

@AvengerAtIlipa

2 жыл бұрын

I was waiting for him to either mention that or explain why it wouldn't work. It seems like the obvious move to me.

@Small_Schlonng_9000

Жыл бұрын

Pawn defends

@squidisaverb

Жыл бұрын

@@Small_Schlonng_9000 oh thanks big schlong 9000 for the tip

The Matovinsky Gambit was refuted long before Stockfish. Against Wegener in 1982, I won with 7. Qf5 Nf6 8. Bh6. An even older refutation is 7. gxh7+ Kf8 8. Nf3 (Spinhoven).

Usually being a piece up is more than +3 (at least +4) according to the engine (unless there are other factors negating some of the advantage like a weak king or having pawn deficits)

9:07 what about checking with the light squared bishop? if kf8 its mate with the queen on f7 and if d4 you just take with the bishop so black has to sac there queen for the bishop after d4 and then you move your queen and you will be up

@averagelizard2489

11 ай бұрын

That just hangs a Bishop after Queen's pawn moves to D4 :)

I only ever played chess with my father when I was a little lad and that was it. If I were to play chess rn, I'd just make some (calculated, not random) moves and hope it works out. I'm also really bad at guessing what the opponent's plan is What I'm saying is that I may do those myself without realizing or if my opponent does them, I won't be able to take advantage of them

"why are you you moving your king to F2?" "You know the king has to lead its people and show whats it got" "Are you drunk?" "The name of the opening is drunken king variation" "I see you're drunk yourself"

8:28 what if instead I go bishop to g6 and queen to f5?

9:35 why can’t we just play bishop to C4 check and then queen f7

you should make a video about the poziani steintz gambit(i think thats what its called). It is bad for black but A lot of people don't know how to deal with it making it a good weapon for beginners and intermediate players.

Some dudes back in middle school came up with an opening similar to the drunken king, it's e3 then Ke2, I remember they told me they had actually developed some sort of theory to it but it was mainly just for the memes

Stockfish "King you're drunk, go home."

How about the blackbourne shilling gambit? It’s a book move checkmate :D

I played against someone using the mosquito gambit. I tried trading queens but he refused and i ended up destroying his undeveloped pieces. Along with blundering his developed pieces...

In the Matovinsky Gambit opening, where pawn menaces knight, can’t you take knight and then if he moves king you move bishop C4 (check) into queen F7 checkmate?

@ultimatejoshua1082

Жыл бұрын

After bc4, black can play e6 to block the check and then take your rook on the next move. According to the engine, bc4 is -0.4 after e6.

1 h4 is one of my favorites. I've won a queen several times because they think my pawn is hanging with check. If they move thier king pawn I take the center with rook and queen. It falls apart quickly against many moves but it is fun to watch them squirm from not knowing any theory.

Does the Orisini gambit come from the prince of Orsini, who was a renowned sailor from Venice in the mid XVIth century ?

9:00 guys what if you play bishop c4, then the Black king is forced to go f8, then checkmate queen f7 ?

How does losing a bishop in return for a pawn and black moving his king equal to losing a rook with no return? Stockfish numbers make no sense.

You know the opening is bad when it's called "the drunken king" like most openings are called some fancy shit like "the Parisian sword manoeuvre, king Henry VIII variation"

Plz evaluation some very common traps, to see if the trap was actually a good move or terrible one...

I have played chess now for over 40 years. Always amusing that just moving the first piece of the game has a specific name and that if you play a textbook player and you dont play textbook moves it freaks them out. Thats why Fischer was so good--he knew the textbook moves but didnt always play them.

where is bongcloud

@Kokurorokuko

2 жыл бұрын

It is hyperhypermodern. Wasn't known to humanity back then.

@SovieTr4mC4m

2 жыл бұрын

It’s too OP that every grandmasters playing it wins

@donnadie5882

2 жыл бұрын

@@SovieTr4mC4m i played bongcloud in blitz and I beat some guys in my elo 🤣 (1850 lichess, 1550 chesscom but I play more on lichess)

@zanti4132

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, the Ke2 move in the Bongcloud is a complete waste of time, and you lose the castling privilege. However, you aren't losing material or creating any major weaknesses, and your pawn structure is still nice. I doubt Stockfish would rate it worse than -2, i.e. not as bad as the openings that make this list.

@karyoplasma

2 жыл бұрын

1. e4 2. Ke2 3. win

1:30 stockfish doesn't really have 1 point = 1 pawn. In positions with 1 pawn and no compensation, stockfish usually gives 3 points when going from even to 1 pawn (in completely winning/losing positions, the evaluation doesn't matter so much).

@jort93z

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on where the pawn is, it has a different value. Missing a center pawn is much worse than missing a flank pawn. If I delete the H pawn of white in the starting position, it will be -0.7 or so, if I delete an F pawn, it will be -1.8 or so. pawns are not created equal.

@RikMaxSpeed

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re missing 1 pawn from the start, the perfect evaluation is probably mate in 77. My point being that -1 or -1.8 simply reflect the limits of the engine’s search depth.

@jort93z

2 жыл бұрын

@@RikMaxSpeed Chess isn't solved yet. We don't know if complex positions are draws or wins(We've only solved endgame positions). Could still be a draw with perfect play after losing a pawn at the start, we just don't know. We don't even know if the normal starting position leads to a draw with perfect play, or if white can always win with perfect play. We think chess results in a draw with perfect play, but we don't know for sure.

@RikMaxSpeed

2 жыл бұрын

@@jort93z Hence the use of the word “probably”. It would be quite interesting to run a simulation of a 1000 games with the h pawn missing at the start, or other pieces to see what the experimental statistics look like. I’d bet that if white is a piece down, black wins a great majority of games.

@RikMaxSpeed

2 жыл бұрын

Just tried a handful of games: if white is a pawn down, it quickly equalises as it can develop pieces and attack more quickly. Down a knight however rapidly ends in a catastrophic loss.