Can’t tell you how much I agree with the annoyance of full self driving not using regen breaking enough. It’s one of the main reasons that I manually drive still is because I’m not trying to kill my brakes/abruptly stop.

@rockafeller94

9 күн бұрын

I can still very much anticipate when to slow down to make the stop way smoother than what it’s showing right now

@Mpr47276

7 күн бұрын

Yea I have been wondering how much sooner brake pads will need to be replaced when using FSD for ~90% of the time. Way too much friction braking!

@aguyfromnothere

7 күн бұрын

@@Mpr47276 Seriously I never use the brakes when driving manually but I am 90% FSD now.....better look up cost of tesla break pads.

@APatchworkCanvas

6 күн бұрын

I feather the throttle for it to smooth out

Best driving reviews of FSD on the tube!

Thank you for another honest and informative drive. They’re really valuable to those of us who are waiting for the newest releases.

12.4.3 just went live to me today.

@JetFire9

10 күн бұрын

Me too

@shableep

10 күн бұрын

How’s it going? Any weird interventions yet?

@stephenmarques3319

10 күн бұрын

@@shableep I took a short drive and it was much improved. The real test tomorrow going to work.

@JeromeInRealEstate

9 күн бұрын

Went live for me as well, and honestly I think there are some serious regressions there. Much of the quick slowdowns when there's no danger present are back. I did an out and return drive about 1.5 hours and it was a bit of a disappointment. But overall, it still kicks ass.

@shableep

9 күн бұрын

@@JeromeInRealEstate How many interventions on that drive roughly?

I always enjoy your videos. Your explanations are always interesting and accurate. Thanks for this video too!

Just got it this morning. Usually I’m not on the first wave. Disappointing to see the roundabout lane drift issue still there as it did that on my two-lane roundabouts also. Will go test it here soon.

@quarksounds

9 күн бұрын

Just finished my first drive, unfortunately saw lots of regressions, including issues from V11 that were fixed in 12.3/12.3.6. Getting into turn lanes way late again, driving like a grandma and drives near the center of unmarked roads.

Your test drives are among the best. Keep up the good work. 👍

Thank you for your continued efforts, my kids appreciate it.

Love your channel one of the best Tesla FSD to get info on the latest version. In the future your videos need to be at least 1-2 hours long. I want to to see the raw unedited footage.

Love your videos. Thank you! I put an “AI Robot Driver” decal in my back window so hopefully other drivers would be patient.

Great review - very calm and objective. Also appreciate you sharing the details in the description about the build and which hardware you are using.

great drive down watchung ave Thanks again!!

@raulgil8459

8 күн бұрын

You droved by my favorite coffee shop on watchung ave "Bluestone" :)

Gotta admit, this is a disappointment based on expectations of near perfection as projected by Elon. The 'lane waving' is a frequent occurrence w/12.3.6 and continues w/ 12.4.3. Wife got 12.4.3 today and was impressed w/"no hands" feature. But hesitated for prolonged period at intersection where my car does pretty well. Some regression and persistent annoyances. More to iron out. I'm still blown away at the recent progress and expect much more as compute and software improves. Thanks for another great demo!

Great video as always. Still waiting for this version.

Like the scoring graphic and colors at the end. Good improvement

4:26 pumping/unnatural braking 5:26 not following flow of traffic 5:55 incorrect lane selection; going straight from left turn only lane 6:39 stalling on green light 7:16 pumping/unnatural braking 7:42 stalling/hesitating after being cut-off 8:05 ignores sign 10:45 wrong lane in roundabout, dangerous cutting over

@_____case

9 күн бұрын

Green light stall wasn't that bad, imo, but the rest are noteworthy.

@Fatman305

9 күн бұрын

​@@_____caseYeah, for that one I took his word for it. Hard to assess acceleration/speed in these vids.

@BillB33525

9 күн бұрын

Multi lane roundabouts are an accident waiting to happen. NJ got rid of Roundabouts years ago but seems like they are on the revival in other states.

@_____case

9 күн бұрын

@@BillB33525 If these AV systems are able to navigate roundabouts properly, they are probably preferable to full stop intersections because they increase general throughput.

@timepstein274

9 күн бұрын

​@@BillB33525I live in Italy, where like the rest of Europe roundabouts have 90% replaced traffic lights, with a 60% reduction in fatal accidents. On my regular commute, I pass through more than 20 roundabouts and not a single traffic light.

The minivan at 7:35 literally jump scared me 😂

Faster creep after stop is key, also would be nice to stop closer to the line versus 5 feet or so before

You or your fellow 12.4.3 users should let Tesla know that the FSD (alogorithim) is using friction braking too, too much. Don't get me wrong, I am as happy as a teenager moving from a learner's permit to getting a license; FSD is great! You Model X and S people complain about FSD being designed for the Model Ys and 3s,...I am a 2023 Model 3 still with 12.3.6 👈🏾

@TroyLTuttle

8 күн бұрын

Tesla knows exactly how much friction braking is being used on any build.

@CasperChicago

3 күн бұрын

@@TroyLTuttle I am thinking you are 99% correct! As much as I like FSD, the decrease in regenerative braking is why I don't use FSD as much as I would like.

I’m still waiting for it. I keep refreshing the Tesla App all day long. Great work..!

Good commentary. I am worried about the lane choice issues, not good. Hopefully I get it tonight, I usually get it iin the first wave after the og betas. Was it better than 14.2 for lane selection? It looked like the speed was a little better too?

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

Yes lane selection isn't great perhaps a bit of a regression to 4.2

Another good video and commentary. I did get 12.4.3 and for me it is far worse than 12.3.6. The new version is better at lane centering but all other metrics seem worse for me. It tends to pull partway out in the street when turning, is indecisive, and then makes a hard 90 degree turn (instead of following a human-like arc like 12.3.6). It also wanders back and forth between lanes more even when you choose "minimize lane changes". And it seems to get "locked" way under the speed limit when traffic slows down and speeds back up and you have to give it an accelerator press to remind it that it is going too slow. Not great... but I understand sometimes there are regressions. Looking forward to the next version.

@BlackTesla

9 күн бұрын

Where are you located

@mikeyc8139

9 күн бұрын

@@BlackTesla I'm about an hour south of Tampa. The roads around me are a mix of rural country roads and the "in town" portions look pretty similar to your roads actually. 45-50 MPH speed limits with lights into shopping areas, etc.

@CasperChicago

9 күн бұрын

You have to be patient! It could very well be the markings on the pavement in your town/city or some view of your area that the software does not recognize.

@ankitnayyar7785

9 күн бұрын

I agree with this. Tried 12.4.3 today after installing it yesterday and its far worse, indecisive and the too-slow issue creeped up frequently today. 12.3.6 was far far better, that version actually gave me confidence that the car could drive itself without me being too worried. I’m hoping 12.5 is better.

@mikeyc8139

9 күн бұрын

@@CasperChicago As I said, sometimes regressions happen so I am quite patient. It is not due to road markings, however. These are simple markings that are clearly visible and have not given a problem from v11 through 12.3.6.

Great and unbiased video that shows that FSD is heading on the right direction.

@DerekDavis213

10 күн бұрын

Black Tesla said this himself: FSD is improving slowly, in Baby Steps.

Hope FSD will use more of regenerative braking.

Great job as always. Btw, what city are you in? Thanks.

@BlackTesla

9 күн бұрын

Clifton

We are so lucky to have such perfect Testers. I am sure you have never made a mistake when driving.

@Fatman305

6 күн бұрын

I made hundreds of mistakes doing basic arithmetic in school (and even later). Should we allow calculators to make occasional mistakes so they're more human? 😂

@BlackTesla

5 күн бұрын

💯

Thank you very much for your clear videos and explanations. I have a question about destination parking lots. Once you arrive at Home Depot in this video, it seemed that you disengaged and closed the trip out yourself. Does FSD prompt you to do this? I'm thinking about traditional GPS systems that say something like "destination reached". What would happen if you didn't take control for the last several feet? Also, when leaving a parking lot on your next trip, can FSD successfully navigate through the parking lot to begin the main route? I'm curious how FSD traverses parking lots. Cheers and thank you very much for your content.

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

FSD doesn't prompt you to take over but rather tells you the trip is ending in X number of feet. From there it will pull over or pull somewhat into a parking spot but not full auto parking as you vsn enable when driving manually. It can Travers parking lots fine following the lanes and navigation guidance to start a trip. The only issue is where the pin ends up for each destination, sometimes it's at the front door sometimes it's in the parking lot it's random but that determines how it will behave on arrival.

Do you have any advice on how to trust FSD more? I tend to disengage anytime I feel like the vehicle isn’t up to speed or is too slow. I know I can give manual inputs but I tend to just over take too often

👍

I’ll wait for 12.5 that straight in the turning lane was crazy 12.3.6 wouldn’t break my heart like that 😂

Thanks for the New York explanation. People still accuse FSD as not being good while a lot of cars is around. That’s not true the issue is drivers are so rude and the Tesla FSD is being safe so it tends to move slower around other cars and more safe which causes cars behind it to be impatient

@Fatman305

6 күн бұрын

Since it has superhuman reaction times and superhuman vision, it could probably be a lil more aggressive while not becoming unsafe at all...

Does chill mode change anything yet?

Just got it last night.

Very nice. Just curious, did you purchase FSD or are you doing the subscription for $99?

@BlackTesla

9 күн бұрын

Purchased

Got it for my 2021 M3. Still waiting on my 2022 MY to get it.

how do you have your autopilot settings set?

Awesome video! Do you like the yoke or miss the wheel

@BlackTesla

9 күн бұрын

I love it

Any idea on which version one gets for $99/month?

IMHO, that roundabout turn over two lanes was a pretty big deal. Very illegal and unsafe. I wonder what it would do if someone was there.

@vaddimka

9 күн бұрын

If someone was there it would probably brake and behave erratically. It does have 360 awareness, it's just not smart enough still to follow the lane markings in certain cases. I don't know why, might take some time to figure it out on this ML end-to-end thingy. I'm more concerned with some corner cases, because now the car reacts to the fact that we have a car in front of us, behind us, aside from us. Meaning that it can drive differently on the same route just because the other cars behave differently, make different decisions. I'm pretty sure Tesla tests it in their simulator, but I ended up letting it drive only if there's no one behind me and there's plenty of time to react. Imagine you're on a highway in the left lane, no one behind you, but there's traffic in front of you. Then someone approaches from behind and the car tries to move right squeezing between a car and a semi. Is it safe? Probably, but it's not safer. Why did it do it? I don't know. I'd rather have this option "don't change lanes on me" always on (it keeps resetting itself to off on every drive).

@johnpereira4792

7 күн бұрын

I actually think the car is correct. Based on the way Europeans roundabout work you need to take the shortest path to your exit. Particularly around about had a left and only sign as a programming foundation I think it is correct and I understand why the car did what it did.

Min 4:05, 4 Tesla's in a row😅 love it😍💯

@DailyThingsInLife

10 күн бұрын

LOL FR

4:05 4 Teslas in a row at once lol sheesh 😊

Is this Detroit or nearby city like royal oak?

What’s your opinion about these “quirky“ micro regressions. AI driver was talking about some of them. They almost seem like “buggy” regressions. But nothing over the top.

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

Yes it seems buggy like I need to reboot my car and it will be resolved. But regressions have always been the big challenge with each model retraining. Let's hope they can address this soon.

Got it 👊

Do you feel a 12.4.4 will likely be a wider release, especially aligned with the 2024.20.x or 2024.26.x branches?

@BlackTesla

9 күн бұрын

Doesn't seem likely there are some glaring regressions

What hardware version?

Great commentary, as always. I can almost feel your embarrassment when the car commits a driving faux pas. Ever thought of putting an "Automated driver" or "Robot driver" sticker on the bumper or rear window to explain why you're sometimes making goofy moves?

@BlackTesla

9 күн бұрын

Not our style but good idea

@Fatman305

6 күн бұрын

​@@BlackTeslaIn my book: safety over style. It *will* be safer when human drivers around an autonomous car are expecting weird behavior any moment now...

I have been to that roundabout by the Home Depot many times. It is a very difficult and dangerous roundabout.

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

Was even worse before they repainted the lines 🤣

@DerekDavis213

10 күн бұрын

Most situations on the road are easy for human drivers. Humans can go for YEARS without an accident. FSD? Not so much.

@vaddimka

9 күн бұрын

What's so difficult about it? It looks like a pretty standard roundabout. If you want to go straight or right, you use the right lane. If you want to go left, you use the left lane. Usually there's a sign explaining exactly this before the roundabout.

@DerekDavis213

9 күн бұрын

@@vaddimka This roundabout is not difficult, for any *human* *driver* . But FSD is very basic, and continues to make errors on any challenging drive. And that's after 100 days of Neural Nets training.

Despite several issues with the drive if this was a Robotaxi drive the drive would have been successful. I think people need to evaluate if they didn't disengage or intervene would Robotaxi have reached the destination without incident. Doesn't mean FSD did everything flawlessly just that the passengers made their destination

12.4.3 - my car didn’t creep up where it normally does at an intersection today. Very hard to see to the left when stopping. Almost pulled right out in front of a car before I stopped it.

@APatchworkCanvas

6 күн бұрын

It’s also very indecisive, slow, jerks the wheel violently sometimes.

@BlackTesla

5 күн бұрын

Interesting where are you?

@APatchworkCanvas

5 күн бұрын

@@BlackTesla central pa

Quicker Stops are nice. I'm still running 12.3.6 and waiting for 12.4.1 - not sure why its taking so long. My beta score is 92 for Safety driving, wonder it that has anything to do with it. The Roundabout - I was hoping on that last one it would stay in the right lane, but then got in the left lane. I can feel your frustration with that. I'd be the same. Good video though. Keep them coming. Keep up the good work. Thanks.

@ZafUA

10 күн бұрын

How did you find your current beta score? I thought that was used only initially to time the release is the first FSD release for each individual.

@kjcts220

10 күн бұрын

It’s in my App. On the Main Page I click on it and agree to the Beta Testing and I started at 97 and now down to 90. My driving doesn’t affect the Insur Premium either I have with Tesla. I don’t even have the Summons or the Smart Summons even after signing up for the $99 subscription 2 days ago. I have the 2024 M3P and never got it although I do have the Auto Park Feature which I use alot

Great to see the changes version by version. The hardest part seems to be to keep on improving and not having regretions as well.

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

💯

I heard Elon say at the stockholders meeting he's are allowing transfers of FSD for another quarter on new purchases? I haven't been offered this?

It’s annoying on a freeway when the exit is less than a mile, it changes lanes because the car in front is too slow but does not accelerate fast enough to pass.

Nice video, thanks! Although I wish you would let the car try to park itself in some of these videos.

@BlackTesla

9 күн бұрын

It doesn't park itself it pulls to the front

@XGigabowser51

8 күн бұрын

@@BlackTesla Huh, I've seen some other youtubers have their teslas self park, I assumed it was on all the versions of FSD. That being said, they did it by disengaging, then entering some sort of parking mode, so maybe it is something else.

At 7:50 what was with those people turning left in front of you when you were going straight.

@Dominic416_

10 күн бұрын

It’s an east coast thing 😂

these are always interesting to watch. But Im not planning on buying it until it can do everything with no issues, and i dont have to monitor it AT ALL. its getting close, but it has been close for a long time lol it feels like the fusion energy joke... we will have it in 10 years! they have been saying for 60 years

@sensei1x

10 күн бұрын

I can’t understand your correlation between FSD being perfect and Fusions energy. People have been driving in one form or another for 60 years give or take but we still have thousands of accidents that kill people every year. The goal is not perfection but the reduction in human deaths every year. If you’ve driven a Tesla for a couple of years you could experience the progression it has gone through. Truly amazing.

@BadL_

10 күн бұрын

waymo doesn’t even have zero issues yet, you are gonna be waiting more than a few years if you want a robotaxi without human remote operators.

@sensei1x

10 күн бұрын

@@BadL_ I think the problems that will plague robot taxis won’t be them not reaching 100% proficiency but them having to deal with unpredictable human drivers sharing the road with them. That’s why people always crash into each other.

@CasperChicago

9 күн бұрын

I felt just like you now feel until I tried the 30 day free trial. After I used the FSD for just a week, I said no matter how much it cost, I had to have FSD! FSD is like moving from the girlfriend stage to being MARRIED 👍🏾

@sensei1x

9 күн бұрын

@@CasperChicago I’ve had full self driving since I bought the car in late 2020 and I’ve watched FSD behave like a brand new teenager behind the wheel to now a semi confident adult behind the wheel. It’s gotten so good. But it’s at the point where it’s trying to iron out those edge issues that normally occur. That’s why I don’t pay attention to ppl who’ve never driven a Tesla before. It’s like listening to a person who rode a horse saying how much better they are than cars. Without ever driving a car before.

I’m convinced that when using full self driving, there should be a sign on the vehicle something about student driver.

@sensei1x

10 күн бұрын

I did see someone had “ robot driving “ on the back of his Tesla 😂. I might have to get that and put it on my car.

@RelevantMystery

10 күн бұрын

I have a magnet that says "Caution Full Self-Driving Testing In Progress" but I doubt people pay attention 😅

@UberDude

10 күн бұрын

I was thinking something like a blue symbol that says Autopilot. Then people would treat it like a Waymo and expect minor things to occur when the car is being extra safe.

@Fatman305

9 күн бұрын

Should probably be mandated by law, similar to how in Israel you are *required* to have a "New Driver" sign. -- According to traffic regulations, every driver defined as a new driver must hang a sign on the rear windshield of the vehicle they are driving to inform other drivers that an inexperienced driver is ahead of them, so they should exercise caution and patience. In a private car and a commercial vehicle up to 4 tons, a sign of 12x20 centimeters should be displayed. The height of the letters will be 40 millimeters in black on a yellow reflective background. The sign will be attached to the lower edges of the rear windshield so it will be visible to those driving behind the vehicle. A new driver shall not drive a vehicle without the new driver sign attached to the rear windshield. A driver who is not a new driver shall not drive a vehicle with this sign attached to the rear windshield.

@jvlbme

9 күн бұрын

Some automotive manufacturer (was it Mercedes, maybe?) suggests using turquoise lights in e.g. headlights (?) for robocars.

When will The Blue Ng, (except when it detects you’re wearing sun glasses) finally go away? I’m getting real tired of it going off every few minutes, even when I’m not wearing sunglasses.

My version 12.4.3 has full nag, every 60 seconds or so. This is now impossible for me to use now. Why is your version different? I'm discontinuing use until Tesla discontinue the nag.. It's like teaching a 16 year old to drive.

That beast drives much much much better that so many humans.

👋

Upset to see still wavering between lanes and does t know which lane to be in.

@DerekDavis213

10 күн бұрын

FSD has only been in beta for 4 years. We have to be patient. 😀

@Fatman305

9 күн бұрын

​@@DerekDavis213Worth the wait... it can take as long as it needs... what's the alternative? Wait for Waymo to come to Florida in 2050? 😂

@DerekDavis213

9 күн бұрын

@@Fatman305 The alternative is to drive the car yourself, or call Uber or Lyft and they will pick you up in minutes. Nobody is asking for robotaxis. They are not needed.

@Fatman305

9 күн бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 OK, so if 100% of people only call Uber for the next 10 years, how will we get to nationwide (and then global) unsupervised FSD by Tesla, Waymo or anyone else, before 2050?

@DerekDavis213

9 күн бұрын

@@Fatman305 Full Self Driving and robotaxis are two separate things. Neither one is needed, we are doing just fine right now with human drivers, and Uber/Lyft. A full time Uber driver might drive 100k miles per year. He is a better driver than you or I. He drives safely, and quickly. Uber driver is much better than any FSD computer.

Unfortunately I’m still at 12.3. 😢. So I’m still prone to those wavering issues that you’re experiencing .

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

Well they're still here lol. Hopefully by the time you get 12.4 it will be resolved.

Love the ratings. I think theyre lower on this build than previous.. feel like they wasting time w v12 now.. they need 13 n 14 out along with that super computer training yeah

@JetFire9

10 күн бұрын

We’re ready for another clean sheet rewrite already??

@EwanM11

10 күн бұрын

No, they have to spend a lot of time doing safety validation for each release. The releases will be slow now, i doubt they'll have 12.5 with beta testers by 8/8.

@BigBen621

9 күн бұрын

​@@EwanM11who ever said they would?

the regular FSD updates are great. Hard understanding the regressions all the time. One versions some of the driving functionality works then the next it doesn't on the next update. Then the next it does and the next it doesn't.. If anyone can explain why they can't just keep the good stuff from each update then work on improving what they have. Seems like spinning the wheel to me lets fix update a few issues while the wheels on the bus fall off on the other issues that were previously performing well.

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

Great question, and when dealing with strict coding I think they could keep what works and keep iterating to make it better. The problem is (which is also the solution) is that it's teaching each iteration how to drive based on data in the form of video clips. How the car "learns" with each model they present is always just a bit different and it's hard to predict how it will apply what it's learned on every situation across all locations. That's why this version Performs differently than the previous as they trained it on a new learning model. It's very complex and I'm am just explaining at a very over simplified level but it's complex trying to get the right balance of comfort, smoothness, decision making, and safety with each one but I'm confident Tesla can get a handle on it.

@DerekDavis213

10 күн бұрын

_If anyone can explain why they can't just keep the good stuff from each update then work on improving what they have_ Clearly, their methodology, the theory of Neural Nets, is not working as expected. An entirely new approach might be needed, with a new software engineering team .

@philliptemple9841

10 күн бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 That's obviously wrong. Even the heads of other car companies like Ford and Xpeng have said the Tesla approach is years ahead. Elon already explained it. They were training it so much on edge cases that it was starting to dilute down the millions of clips they use to teach it "good driving". They just need to weight the training videos so that it learns without picking up bad habits. Phillip.

@DerekDavis213

9 күн бұрын

@@philliptemple9841 _Even the heads of other car companies like Ford and Xpeng have said the Tesla approach is years aheadEven the heads of other car companies like Ford and Xpeng have said the Tesla approach is years ahead_ Years ahead, maybe. But that does NOT mean that the current FSD software is anywhere close to Full Autonomy. And that is the goal here. That is the end game.

@philliptemple9841

9 күн бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 Heads of car companies believe Tesla is going to be first to full autonomy, and then you don't. I guess you and the rest of the world disagree. Phillip.

"not flawless but without incidnet"

The more drives you make, the more issues you expose. This is the reason why I believe no other company will solve true FSD. You need endless amounts of miles to expose all the flaws and the only way to get it is to have thousands of cars in different regions testing the software.

@DerekDavis213

10 күн бұрын

_The more drives you make, the more issues you expose_ We should all be grateful for the honesty and excellent commentary from Black Tesla .

That really isn’t great. Roubdabouts bad, wrong lanes bad, and at 1:58 it signaled right and didn’t take the immediate right and just proceeded straight. Still much to do.

@Fatman305

9 күн бұрын

1:58 it couldn't make a right, because it was a one way. Using blinkers to clarify straight vs left possible turn by signaling right is fine with me.

@poppys33d

9 күн бұрын

@@Fatman305 That's fair (one-way). But there's no need for the turn signal at all. It's an error.

@Fatman305

9 күн бұрын

@@poppys33d Even if technically "an error" and will be eventually removed, I still hold the belief it's slightly safer, and if I was a pedestrian or another road-sharer who needed to know whether this car is gonna continue on curve or turn left directly into where I am, then I'd rather it "err on the side of caution" as they say. It wouldn't be illegal, as far as I know, and could warn drivers behind you that they are, indeed, about to face a sharp turn...

@poppys33d

9 күн бұрын

@@Fatman305I think the issue is the car isn’t doing it to be safer, I’d wager. If it were a purposeful signal and it did this on all occasions involving these types of corners, that would be one thing…

@Fatman305

9 күн бұрын

@@poppys33d I believe you're right and that it'll eventually be removed. Probably well below 1% of human drivers would signal in such situation...

Looks like it still has a ways to go. As an Australian its surprising that you expect it to speed. If you speed in Australia you won't have your license very long.

@shannon6876

8 күн бұрын

It varies from state to state and sometimes even county or city to county or city, but how much the speed limit is the actual speed limit definitely varies in the United States. In my area (Florida), doing the posted speed limit will piss off everyone around you fast. The real speed limit is between 5 and 15 miles an hour over the posted speed limit, depending on what road you're on. This got me a warning in Texas, where I was doing 3 mph over the speed limit, and got pulled over.

@riceman78

8 күн бұрын

@@shannon6876 Interesting. I'm still surprised it let's u speed though, as I would have thought that would leave Tesla and/or the driver vulnerable to being sued in the event of an accident.

@Fatman305

6 күн бұрын

​@@riceman78If I were on the jury, I'd let autonomous vehicles speed at least 10mph above human speed lomit. Their superhuman reaction times and superhuman 360 vision justifies leniency, and more - encouragement of general public to move over to autonomous vehicles. Now if actual statistics of crash data prove me wrong, I'd change my mind. At the moment, my hunch is that even at 10mph faster than speed limit FSD will very soon (2-3 years) be proven safer than 95%+ of human drivers.

Why are we continuing to get software updates that aren’t safe. This has been going on for over 6 years. When will this end?

@Fatman305

6 күн бұрын

I'd like to see statistics proving this ver of FSD is more involved in accidents than no-FSD drivers of same vehicle. Otherwise, due to extreme surveillance (eye tracking) my personal belief is that this ver is, in fact, safer - statistically speaking...

@joecohen8719

4 күн бұрын

@@Fatman305 it’s still not safe

@Fatman305

4 күн бұрын

@@joecohen8719 It's safer than without it, despite mistakes it makes, just because it prevents driver distractions...the #1 cause of accidents...

@joecohen8719

3 күн бұрын

@@Fatman305 show us your stats.

Going straight in the turn lane is a hard failure. On any driver practical exam it would be a one item failure. Could easily be a safety critical situation. FSD fail.

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

Agreed

@DerekDavis213

10 күн бұрын

So many unfulfilled promises, after 4 years in beta. FSD is still making egregious errors on very simple drives .

@philliptemple9841

10 күн бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 That's ridiculous. The FSD of today is nothing like the version that was released 4 years ago. Phillip.

@DerekDavis213

9 күн бұрын

@@philliptemple9841 Yes, FSD today is much better than FSD at the beginning, 4 years ago. That being said, the current FSD is still making egregious mistakes, on very easy drives. Just look at this video by Black Tesla, for a perfect example of that.

@philliptemple9841

9 күн бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 What I see is a video where the car got from A to B with zero dangerous moves. I am very impressed. It was a couple of years ago that it was heading for railway bridge pillars. There are dozens of zero intervention drives out there (not zero disengagement, zero intervension). The only disengagements I've seen recently were faulty map data sending the car the wrong way, into a non-existent road in one instance, but still it was safe. Phillip.

I'm waiting to buy a Tesla until it can go unaccompanied to pick up my online grocery store order. Then I won't ever need to leave the house. 😅

Fsd 12 is like a novice driver, creeps too straight at intersections. Needs more steering.

10:47 Absolutely crazy it’s has been this many years and still fails at basics. 6:00 - Again, wtf… How is it not strictly designed to adhere to lane markings such as arrows by this point? All the massive AI/Compute/Dojo training the neural nets and it still can’t do this right?

@Mpr47276

10 күн бұрын

Lane selection and execution is hard failing these two scenarios. It’s quite hard to believe because it is really basic driving chit.

@BlackTesla

10 күн бұрын

I won't pretend to know just how challenging what they're doing is but I will say that they solved this before so it should be addressable on the next build.

@DerekDavis213

10 күн бұрын

_Absolutely crazy it’s has been this many years and still fails at basics._ But Elan and his influencer buddies have said : FSD is better than a human FSD is solved !

@philliptemple9841

9 күн бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 He said FSD has less accidents per mile on average than a human, therefore yes it is better. Of course FSD is used predominently on roads like Highways so this will skew the stat but if it can maintain that statistic as it rolls out to people that use it every day on normal roads then it will indeed be impressive. I don't know about 10:47 being a fail. In the UK people usually drive exactly like this is there is nobody else on the roundabout. If they used lots of clips and people tend to drive like this in SF or wherever they do most of their training then the NN will do this too. Phillip.

@DerekDavis213

9 күн бұрын

@@philliptemple9841 _He said FSD has less accidents per mile on average than a human_ Since FSD requires 100 percent human supervision at all times, FSD does not have less of *anything* than a human. FSD cannot function by itself.

That first right turn I would have made in half the time

@JetFire9

10 күн бұрын

Par for the course

It’s STILL total garbage. Almost killed my husband and I yesterday when it decided to exit the freeway at the LAST minute and would have smacked the divider. He had ti take over and it was very scary. Also on the same day, it treated a lane that was under construction as an open lane and boy was that crazy. It also made a right hand turn at in intersection from the middle lane. Total bs.

@jason_v12345

10 күн бұрын

What version were you on? Some people are still on much older versions.

@JetFire9

10 күн бұрын

Clearly you are a short seller. FSD is amazing now!! 😂😂😂

@websitemartian

10 күн бұрын

why not upload the video so we can all see it?

@mrperson1324

10 күн бұрын

I believe your not made up story that happened yesterday to you and your real husband. :)

@chrislarson9490

10 күн бұрын

Hi Mr. Gates.