Even if the pickup truck had his indicator on, when it moved at 9:02, there was no movement of the wheel from FSD to the right until intervention was made. That was a fail for FSD in my book.

Thank you for mentioning number of takeovers per video, will be useful to see the decline over time, if there is one.

We need someone brave and rich enough to not disengage and see if FSD can in fact avoid collisions like at 9 min

@covetthecamper2289

6 күн бұрын

Yeah, FSD did not brake or avoid. Omar took over to avoid. That’s not good at all.

@ase713

6 күн бұрын

I would disagree in that FSD should have noticed before a human would’ve. I agree in that FSD may have been able to avoid it if given the chance but as computers are quicker than humans it should have seen it sooner than Omar

@tHebUm18

Күн бұрын

@@ase713 Autopilot and FSD both seem really bad about reading behavior of vehicles in other lanes and that they may do something dumb like that truck. A good defensive human driver is always ready for someone in another lane to be dumb.

Honestly, that truck had a signal on for a little bit, and the Tesla was driving slowly enough that I could see the truck believing you were going to let him in. It seems like something the car/FSD should have picked up. That said, I love the videos-keep them coming!

@Muzeishen

6 күн бұрын

Agreed. I had a similar problem yesterday with cars slowly shifting into my lane. It does not slow or give room.

@wr2382

6 күн бұрын

The car was driving slowly enough for the truck to enter the lane. We can see that because the car was still well behind the truck when the truck entered the lane. What happened then is that he truck driver panicked and stopped their truck in front of the car. Who can say why they panicked. Maybe they hadn't checked their blind spot before starting their merge and were then surprised to see the car there. Whatever it was, all they had to do was continue their merge at the speed they were going and they would have safely completed the manoeuvre. The Tesla was not alongside them, it was still behind them and moving slowly, so there was plenty of room to complete the merge. If they were worried about how close the Tesla was, they should have accelerated into the merge because there was plenty of room in front of them in both lanes. The truck driver should definitely not have braked.

@covetthecamper2289

6 күн бұрын

But the FSD should have applied brake and turned to avoid. It did nothing.

@JWWhite-oq5tt

6 күн бұрын

@@covetthecamper2289 Agreed. I thought one of the advantages of FSD was anticipating and reacting to the unexpected, thus making it a better driver than the humanoid at the wheel. I also didn't see FSD react in any way. It does such a nice job of giving way to pedestrians, trucks, etc. but not in this instance when it really mattered.

@zeydallahoum

6 күн бұрын

Agreed. If you look at 9:03, the truck is already engaged and started turning, visual representation didn't react yet ( let's not even mention turn signal ). It's a weird one, most of the time, it over reacts the other way around wich is preferable

How you have three takeovers in 30 min and think it’s gonna be FSD soon. You out of your mind.

The FSD should use the horn and attempt to avoid the accident by applying breaks. It clearly still have way to go to simulate human driving.

Love your dad's commentary

Without you taking over in time and swerving, FSD would have certainly hit the truck even if tried to brake. FSD needs to make safety decisions much faster in such situations. Should have sent that safety disengagement. This scenario should be easy to reproduce and test. I am surprised FSD failed here.

9:00 was weird. That should have been an easy avoid for FSD. What made it not react?

@michaeldew7904

6 күн бұрын

He had plenty of time to react. I don't know why he allowed it to happen. The other driver should not have done it, but it would have been partially been your fault.

@wr2382

6 күн бұрын

It was braking to a stop as Omar took over. We can see that by looking at how the blue path line on the screen was getting shorter. It was just moving slowly so there was no need to immediately brake at the moment that the truck stopped.

@garrymullins

5 күн бұрын

@@wr2382 That's what I think too. It did look like the car was actively avoiding.

I got lost in that parking lot in Redondo for three days, so the Tesla did just fine!!

"like a drunk teenager" lol Your dad's cool mate. Hello from Australia 🙏

Uh oh, FSD was about to get into a collision with the silver truck, it didn't break, it didnt divert...

@mddell24

4 күн бұрын

FSD does not think, it simply reacts second to second. It does not make decisions based on that screen aerial POV display. People are not understanding what the AI is basing its reactions on.

@turkishhusla

4 күн бұрын

@@mddell24 it's not clear that the FSD made any acknowledgement of the situation, it lead to a take over, which is the most important metric to consider. It should have highlighted the risk in red, as it does with other unexpected behaviours. The goal of FSD is to give the driver confidence, and at that moment failed. 12.4.1 has some regressions but it's a two steps forward one step back situation.

I have been using 12.3.6 for about a week, and overall it has been pretty good. During that time it missed one left-hand turn across traffic onto a road that was more of a fork than a full left-hand turn. And then drove down to the next block, which was a cul-de-sac, turned around there, and went back and got on the proper road, so a minor inconvenience. Regarding parking lots, those are the biggest issue with this version not quite knowing what to do in that kind of a location. Other than those minor limitations I have had no safety related interventions.

You should do the same parking lot and spot again and to see if it repeats the same mistake or it has it already saved in its memory.

@kafiluz4317

6 күн бұрын

What memory? All FSD is capable of is due to a remote copy pasted neural AI trained by Dojo.

I really enjoy videos with you dad and with others. Tell your dad that my wife also prefers FSD driving to me ,especially on the highway

😊😊 this video made me smile. your dad is awesome!

9:00 - Truck should have not changed lanes so suddenly, but that said, FSD should have braked hard to avoid accident. Hope it improves in these situations.

Look...overall, FSD is an amazing feat of technology and so much better even in just the last year. I use 12.3.6 every day in the city and highway. It's "supervised" driving, but for me, 95% of my disengagements are for cases that I feel more comfortable negotiating, rather than "test" to see what happens. It's remarkable and gets better every release...

As far as FSD has come, this video shows how far it still has to go. It is situations like these highlighted in the video that mean you still have to be on such high alert while letting the vehicle “drive for you”. Not sure if it actually makes driving any less stressful, yet.

@KC-uw6ph

3 күн бұрын

Hence why they still have supervised in front of FSD so people don’t forget.

9:00 Wow that was close 😳

@Delta-qi4ls

6 күн бұрын

FSD should definitely have braked.

@floydb9100

6 күн бұрын

damn, this looks like version 10.8 or something 😬

@Arron_Mottram

6 күн бұрын

Should be reported

@BenjaminIsWatchingYou

6 күн бұрын

I was wondering how FSD would react uncertain unexpected situations. Looks like, not at all 🙈

@cellocraze

6 күн бұрын

Glad Omar has quick reflexes

Super interesting to hear both your judgements and oppinions of FSD at the same time. Cheers

Tesla ❤

Great video thank you so much! :-)

The car still clearly isn’t thinking enough. A) Why does it stay in the near lane to cars that are parked on the street when it could go to the other lane and avoid any potential collision with someone getting out of the car? B) That truck was clearly signaling and it should have slowed to let him over esp once he started to come over

Long way to go for taxis without drivers. Just too many unique situations that all need to be fully incorporated into the software. It will take years IMO.

7:19 RIP that guy's mirror! wow looks like someone side swiped it

Hopefully these mistakes will be fixed in the next update.

He deleted the video of all the fsd fails where it almost crashes several times and runs through a stop sign.

So funny the reaction of your mom... ''Why you're driving ?''

When someone intervenes, like when the truck pulled into them, we don't actually know if FSD would have made the exact same intervention at the same time.

Instead of the map, on main screen, i would prefer to watch what the car sees during your videos. Hope this could help! Good video, as always 👍🏻

7:10 Within 2 minutes you have a quick take over that you needed to do to prevent a crash (it sure looks like it was about to hit that pickup if you hadn't taken over).

Cheers guys

OnE InTeRvEnTiOn PeR YeAr

You pulled to the right, not FSD. Maybe you just beat it. It still needs to be better. Good to know.

I subscribed to FSD recently because I was going on a 4 day work trip to a few cities in NorCal. I was really hoping it would be better at parking lots and congested areas. I had to take over several times per leg of my trip. It’s just too slow on city streets. People honking, flipping me off etc. performed the camera calibration before I left. 2022 model Y V12, 2024.20.1 What a waste of $99

@drewmorg.

6 күн бұрын

It had 12.4.1 ?

Did the system ever tell you to clean the cameras before you are able to turn fsd on?

I dont think it needs an llm to read signs. For non native english, when we are little, we didn't understand english, but we still used software and games in english. We used it by deduction, without really knowing what the words mean in our native language. It's what FSD does.

i agree that when FSD is in all cars, getting a license maybe should be a tougher process. Since it's more for fun than need

A little troubling to see that FSD didn’t brake for that Tacoma. Good reaction time Omar. This is why you must supervise at all times and avoid becoming complacent.

That was a great FSD failure video. That was very challenging. Opportunities to learn

yeah he just stopped in the middle of the lane, confused why he did not continue on....system should have breaked though, right?

So thanks for the video, and the ride along, and I am currently driving on V12.3.6, and it’s definitely an improvement over V11. So I do have a recommendation that I’d like you to consider, and that is, let’s substitute the word crash over accident, because when you say accident, as opposed to a crash, you’re suggesting that somehow an accident, which is something that can spontaneously occur, that’s unforeseeable, therefore, no one is at fault, when in fact, these are at fault accidents, so-called accidents, but whether you ran into someone or someone ran into you, either you or the other party, effed up, and because of that, the crash occurred. So I think we should be very cautious using the word accident versus the word crash, because I don’t believe in accidents, and when someone is charged and hauled into court, to defend their actions up to the point where the crash occurred, the prosecutors are not going to say, oh, it was just an accident. Hell, no, they are going to say that it was negligence on the part of the accused particularly if the crash involves body injury to include death. They’re gonna call it vehicular homicide, so not an accident, and so people need to get serious about driving a motored vehicle on any street, road or highway, because the life you save, just might be your own. Cheers 🥂

just curious whether waymo will be able to get out the parking area from the beginning of this video. I really doubt waymo can figure out.

Do you think the red turn signal from the truck may have confused FSD?

Come on FSD! Think!

This shows 12.4.1 is not 5 times better than 12.3.6 . It feels very similar to

I don’t have 12.4 yet but 12.3.6 can’t merge on to free way from feeder road all the time. About 50% intervention to pull over into freeway lane from entrance ramp. Seems to be so slow and confused, my eyes have clear path but HW3 way to slow. Thats why @tesla working on hw5! Don’t think it’ll ever match the speed of a human brain in certain situation

The navigation map generally has the vehicle moving from top of screen to the bottom, that doesn't seem natural. Is this configurable, such that the movement is bottom to top? It would also help so that when you're turning left, the map is indicating a left direction. I note it ignored the Californian "Right on red" which isn't permitted here in Qld, but I'm guessing Tesla knows the local road rules. Good video and scenery around PV.

@BigBen621

6 күн бұрын

There are three choices for the map orientation; north up, which he uses; direction of travel up, which I prefer; and entire route shown-I think with north up.

The truck moved half way across the lane; and stopped for no reason! Then later raced past and around again! Do you think he's an Anti-FSD warrior or something? Have you had any experience with this?

The parking lot is not mapped anywhere per se, so it really shouldn’t know how to get out? I wouldn’t say that’s fsd error you think?

And this is still early days

We love to praise FSD in all of it's glory but we shouldn't downplay the incident with the truck. This was an obvious and easy case to slow down and let the truck in but it seems there's too much false sense of security in FSD. Major red flag.

Doesn't look like 5x-10x improvement to me

What model is this?

@floydb9100

6 күн бұрын

model s

It would be interesting to see how it drives in dense fog or snowfall. There must be a point when ot decides its better to stay home :)

Clever title..

mother says why are you driving ?😮

Boring things that FSD is already getting right in the 9s. Over two million accidents are caused by failure to use turn signals. Every car with a navigation system should add this capability. This video shows a rare slow blinker around 19 minutes. Still, this is a big deal for safety, especially when stopping for a stop sign or red light. Thousands of accidents are prevented by getting this right. This boring difference in FSD and other ADAS packages is a really big deal even before we achieve full self driving.

It's getting closer to being perfect

reading signs is one thing. interpreting and making use of their information properly is another. some signs aren't standard. eg temporary festival directions

Was looking for your judgment… was that a crash if you didn’t take over? That’s a major FSD directive to avoid a crash no matter who was right.

@BigBen621

6 күн бұрын

There's no way to tell. Whatever action he took, FSD could have taken a millisecond later with the same outcome.

Interestingly both AI drivr and Dirty Tesla were seeing lots of unnecessary lane changes with 12.4.1. Maybe training data is too biased towards California.

parking lots are annoying though. they trap you in there. limited exists, even when they could have way more.

Show de livre incrível assistir que um ser humano é capaz de fazer através do conhecimento isso não tem preço gostaria muito de conhecê -los só curiosidade eu gosto de ver que está por trás das câmeras devem ser muito gentis ah sim tudo dentro do respeito só conhecer mesmo

10:55 It's normal foreign people

I’m trying to figure out your dad’s accent

@billasweather7833

5 күн бұрын

indian

8 minutes. Hmmm.

the truck mistake wasn't just a kid. A kid a in big trucks and people in big trucks feel people need to get out of their way. They drive differently

If you go to a location often does FSD get familiar with how to get there?

That's terrible. The truck appropriately signals and begins to turn in to the gap yet FSD failed to note the scene or respond safely.

This pickup truck is a real asshole... You could have not disengaged... he would have avoided it, I'm sure

Is 12.4.1 the version where the highway stack is supposed to switch to version 12? Likely the worst thing about FSD the last several months at least has been how it will fly into turn lanes when it's supposed to go straight because it thinks that a new drive lane was opening up. I'm amazed that Tesla didn't prioritize fixing that in version 11 but it seemed to be fixed in version 12. Yesterday I drove outside of the main metro area where the lesser highways have many of the type of turn lanes that caused this issue before and it behaved worse than I'd ever experienced. It made FSD unusable. I gather that it's because it's still on version 11 in that scenario.

@joewiley6927

6 күн бұрын

I think 12.5 is full single stack

first

Is the market not aware of how advamced FSD had become? I dont understand

I wouldn't call '9:00" a 'takeover' in the sense it might be construed as 'Tesla's fault', which it is not. The FSD is not responsible for the self-destructive behavior of other people/vehicles. I'm glad 'WMC' was quick enough to fulfill his duty to manage the journey past an otherwise sure minor collision. I guess I'm a little in awe how he decided to bypass the transgressor immediately. I'm a sort who would have stopped completely and motioned to the errant driver to 'go ahead', not wanting to be ahead of a possible driver under the influence.

9:04 huge fail for fsd.

@redseventyfiveprime5018

6 күн бұрын

Not so huge. You can see the blue planner line getting shorter. That is it has started to react. But, yeah, it should have done that earlier to not cause intervention.

@LemonG420

6 күн бұрын

i agree with you it wasnt at fault and it seemed to react. but it defenitly needs to be more cautious. it also wouldnt have been a horrible accidemt but still. needs to get fixed

@AltairIV9

6 күн бұрын

@@LemonG420 I'm not a hater... It reacted, but not accordingly, not fast enough, and once it did see what was coming, didn't make the right choice. And I think this is the basic stuff, FSD should have handled it.

Wonder why fsd didn’t catch that guying that came into your lane? Maybe Tesla should do lidar/radar & cameras to make the system more perfect

FSD can reverse. How do they implement auto-park and parallel park??? Tesla somehow is not confident that it can reverse when the parameters are less confined. Reversing outside of these two senarios is far more compex because FSD now has to define the reversing area rather than it being defined for itvby the parking bay or area to parallel park into. For example, at the beginning of the video FSD was trapped in a car park. A truck was blocking its way and a solution would have been to revers just a little bit so that it could then drive into the gap the driver left for it. Instread it froze becsuse ot had no solution since it not enable with the ability to reverse in a general case. This will obviously be solved since FSD can drive forwards so it should be able to drive backwards. I am sure Tesla has shadow mode for when the car reverses. To be honest going over my comments regarding reversing should be very easy to do if you think of the problem as just driving backwards.

Stop risking your life and the people around you for greed.

@BigBen621

6 күн бұрын

According to data recently released by NHTSA-not Tesla-average drivers have orders of magnitude more accidents, injuries and fatalities than Teslas with FSD engaged; so *not* using FSD if you have it available is what's risking your life and the people around you.

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